We would probably use '[2012?]' as the conjectural publication date for example 1. Our rule is to use the best evidence readily available, which is often but not invariably the copyright. I've checked Amazon in similar cases and have always found that their date, which presumably reflects availability to the public, corresponds to the printing date rather than the copyright date. But having checked Amazon I would add a 500 note, 'Publication date from bookseller's website', so I would not really be using either copyright or printing date as the basis for the conjecture.
We record all supplied dates as conjectural unless they come from the publisher's website or the ISBN agency or something equally authoritative. We always record the copyright date if found on the resource. For example 2, like most others we would give the date or conjectural date of paperback issue if making a separate record for the paperback but would often just add the paperback ISBN to the hardback record and record the paperback date only as a holdings note. Best wishes, Bernadette ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian 01865 2-77134 Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. ******************* From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: 18 June 2013 21:00 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing For Example 1 I would supply 2013 as the publication date. Books are always printed before they are published. Presumably these were printed and delivered to the publisher in late 2012. Then they were "published", i.e., issued to the public. That could easily have happened the following year. To me the copyright date is evidence here of the publisher's intention. For Example 2, assuming I am creating a separate record for the paperback, I would supply 2008. 2007 is the copyright date in the underlying work or expression, which was first published in 2007; the paperback was published the following year, given the printing evidence. On the other hand, if I decide the paperback is within the same manifestation as the hardback, I would just include it on the original 2007 record. Depends on if there is a size/pagination difference, how specialized my library is, etc. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:32 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing Dear RDA-L Folks, I would very much like to get some broad feedback from as many of you as possible, on how you would handle the dates for following two resources: Example 1 Verso of book reads: Copyright (c) 2013 First printing, August 2012 ISBN 9780321832740 Which date would you use to supply the publication date: a) the copyright date b) the first printing date Would you add any other date information? --------------------- Example 2 Verso of book reads: Copyright (c) 2007 First printed in paperback 2008 ISBN 977-0-300-14333-1 (pbk) ISBN 978-0-300-12078-3 (alk. Paper) The hardcover version was published in 2007 Which date would you use to supply the publication date for the paperback that you have: c) the copyright date d) the first printing (paperback) date Would you add any other date information? --------------------- I'm trying to get a sense of how much variation we can expect to see in copy cataloging records, for this type of situation. If you would rather not share with the list, then would you please reply to me personally at: debo...@marcofquality.com? Thanks very much, Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com
