This is a catch-up email. I try to understand Deborah's summary. I read both LC-PCC PS for 2.10.6<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-1702#lcps2-1702> and 2.8.6.6. They actually have the same information for a item lacking a publication date contains a copyright and a date of manufacture and the years differ. The policy does say "supply a date of publication that corresponds to the copyright date in square brackets." A manufacture date may also be recorded as part of a manufacture statement, or recorded as part of a note on issue, part, or iteration used as the basis for identification of a resource.
So for the Example 1, the inferred publication date should be [2013]. The printing date 2012 may be recorded in a manufacture statement, or a 588 "description based" note. Example 1 Verso of book reads: Copyright © 2013 First printing, August 2012 ISBN 9780321832740 Deborah mentioned *C.1*. But the upper category *C.* does say that "If an item lacking a publication date contains *only a date of manufacture*". The Example 1 is not an applicable case, since it contains both copyright and manufacture date. I hope that my understanding is correct. Any correction would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Deborah Fritz <debo...@marcofquality.com>wrote: > My thanks to the folks who sent in feedback on how they would handle my > two date examples. As I suspected, there was considerable variation on how > the dates would be entered for these resources—here is a summary, with some > paraphrasing, and extrapolating, so hopefully I have interpreted all the > replies correctly:**** > > ** ** > > Example 1**** > > Verso of book reads:**** > > ** ** > > Copyright © 2013**** > > First printing, August 2012**** > > ISBN 9780321832740**** > > ** ** > > Use © to supply PubD = 2**** > > 264_1 … $c[2013]**** > > ** ** > > Use © to supply PubD, add © = 1**** > > 264_1 … $c[2013]**** > > 264_4 $c©2013**** > > ----**** > > Use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add © = 4**** > > 264_1 … $c[2012]**** > > 264_4 $c©2013**** > > ** ** > > Use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add PrtD, add © = 1**** > > 264_1 … $c[2012]**** > > 264_3 … $c2012.**** > > 264_4 $c©2013**** > > ** ** > > Enter 1st Prt as PubD = 2**** > > 264_1 … $c2012.**** > > ------------------------------**** > > Here is my take on the 1st example:**** > > LC-PCC PS for > 2.10.6<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-1702#lcps2-1702> > **** > > B) says: “If an item lacking a publication date contains a copyright date > and a date of manufacture and the years differ, supply a date of > publication that corresponds to the copyright date, in square brackets, if > it seems reasonable to assume that date is a likely publication date”**** > > ** ** > > C.1) says: “Supply a date of publication that corresponds to the > manufacture date, in square brackets, if it seems reasonable to assume that > date is a likely publication date. For books, this means that the item is > assumed to be the first printing of the edition. Also record the > manufacture date as part of a manufacture statement if determined useful by > the cataloger.”**** > > ** ** > > Email correspondence with LC clarified that since, for books, the first > printing of the edition is assumed to be a likely publication date, if the > item lacking a publication date contains a copyright date and a date of > manufacture and the years differ, supply a date of publication that > corresponds to the first printing date, in square brackets, since it is not > reasonable to assume that the copyright date is a likely publication date, > since it is logical to assume that the first printing date is the more > likely publication date (the resource cannot be published until it is > printed, once it is printed, it is likely to be immediately published, and > publishers have been known to put later copyright dates on resources)**** > > ** ** > > I did ask LC to make this a bit more obvious in the LC PCC PS, but I’m not > sure I convinced them that this would be necessary. **** > > ** ** > > So, based on this, I would use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add PrtD, add © ** > and** I would also add the note to explain why I used the printing date > rather than the © date (to help copy catalogers, not patrons):**** > > 264_1 … $c[2012]**** > > 264_3 … $c2012.**** > > 264_4 $c©2013**** > > 500 $aFirst printing, 2013.**** > > ** ** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **** > > Example 2**** > > Verso of book reads:**** > > ** ** > > Copyright © 2007**** > > First printed in paperback 2008**** > > ISBN 977-0-300-14333-1 (pbk)**** > > ISBN 978-0-300-12078-3 (alk. Paper)**** > > ** ** > > Share hardcover record, but otherwise use 1st Prt to supply PubD = 3**** > > 264_1 … $c[2008]**** > > ** ** > > Share hardcover record, but otherwise use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add © = > 4**** > > 264_1 … $c[2008]**** > > 264_4 $c©2007**** > > ** ** > > Share hardcover record, but otherwise use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add > PrtD, add © = 1**** > > 264_1 … $c[2008]**** > > 264_3 … $c2008.**** > > 264_4 $c©2007**** > > ** ** > > Share hardcover record, but otherwise use 1st Prt as PubD, do not add © > because would be confusing = 1**** > > 264_1 … $c2008.**** > > --------------------**** > > Here is my take on the 2nd example:**** > > ** ** > > First, I agree that we would, in the past, add the paperback to the > hardcover record, if the only difference is the binding; but I have to say > that the date difference always bothered me (especially if it actually said > “Paperback *published* …” rather than “Paperback printing …” ). I know > that we are currently in the ‘don’t rock the boat’ mode while we are still > in MARC, and so will probably continue with this practice, but I am even > more uneasy with it, under RDA thinking.**** > > ** ** > > But, let’s say there was some indication of a difference, e.g., a reader’s > guide added to the paperback. In that case, I would apply the same > reasoning as before from LC-PCC PS for > 2.10.6<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-1702#lcps2-1702> > and use 1st Prt to supply PubD, add © and, again, add an explanatory note > about the date I used to supply the PubD.**** > > 264_1 … $c[2008]**** > > 264_3 … $c2008.**** > > 264_4 $c©2007**** > > 500 $aFirst printing, 2008.**** > > ** ** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **** > > ** ** > > It is interesting that 3 responses said to use the © date to supply the > PubD , for the 1st example, but no responses said to do that for the > 2ndexample; I assume that is because the © was the latest date in the 1 > st example. To me, this indicates that clarification at the LC-PCC PS for > 2.10.6<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-1702#lcps2-1702> > would be very helpful. > **** > > ** ** > > Thanks again to everyone for the responses. They certainly verified for me > that this “First printing” issue is still not crystal clear.**** > > ** ** > > Deborah**** > > - - - - - - - - **** > > Deborah Fritz**** > > TMQ, Inc.**** > > debo...@marcofquality.com**** > > www.marcofquality.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:32 AM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing**** > > ** ** > > Dear RDA-L Folks,**** > > ** ** > > I would very much like to get some broad feedback from as many of you as > possible, on how you would handle the dates for following two resources:** > ** > > ** ** > > Example 1**** > > Verso of book reads:**** > > ** ** > > Copyright © 2013**** > > First printing, August 2012**** > > ISBN 9780321832740**** > > ** ** > > Which date would you use to supply the publication date:**** > > **a) **the copyright date**** > > **b) **the first printing date**** > > Would you add any other date information?**** > > ---------------------**** > > ** ** > > Example 2**** > > Verso of book reads:**** > > ** ** > > Copyright © 2007**** > > First printed in paperback 2008**** > > ISBN 977-0-300-14333-1 (pbk)**** > > ISBN 978-0-300-12078-3 (alk. Paper)**** > > ** ** > > The hardcover version was published in 2007**** > > ** ** > > Which date would you use to supply the publication date for the paperback > that you have:**** > > **c) **the copyright date**** > > **d) **the first printing (paperback) date**** > > Would you add any other date information?**** > > ---------------------**** > > ** ** > > I’m trying to get a sense of how much variation we can expect to see in > copy cataloging records, for this type of situation.**** > > ** ** > > If you would rather not share with the list, then would you please reply > to me personally at: debo...@marcofquality.com?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks very much,**** > > Deborah**** > > ** ** > > - - - - - - - - **** > > Deborah Fritz**** > > TMQ, Inc.**** > > debo...@marcofquality.com**** > > www.marcofquality.com**** > > ** ** > -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
