Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

So it seems like between 2.3.4 and 2.4 this thing decides to stop allowing 
changes to be saved.  Any ideas?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

S the AP side won't allow saving changes?
Any ideas?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Taking this a step further-
Eptp mode.  Any caveats to turning this on?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -?

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite

[Stefan Englhardt]

You lucky US guys. No 5.1 here. 5.2 limited to 200mW EiRP and indoor usage.

Only 5.6 and 5.8 available. So we have no chance to get a big spread.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 15:43
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite



I have a B5 on the same 8' pole so the radios are about 4' apart.  Since the B5 
is running in 5.1GHz, I put the B5-Lite at 5.8GHz.  I'm not seeing a problem, 
they are both rocking along.  The B5 is shooting about 2.7 miles so it's 
cranked up.  The B5-Lite Spectrum analyzer is showing the B5's at about 60dB in 
5.1Ghz but with the 600MHz spread, doesn't seem to be an issue.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite



Looks promising.



We see mixed results with B5 with other 5GHz gear on the same tower.

Lower modulations than expected. Radar events with new firmware (mimosa is 
working on this).

Does the B5 lite show the same?

As it does not gps-sync with B5 it will behave like foreign gear to a B5.

So no good idea to colocate B5 and B5-lite?





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 07:52
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] B5-Lite



Just threw them up today on a short link for testing.  Here is what I got.







Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO

4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net 

www.triadwireless.net 



"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

S the AP side won't allow saving changes?
Any ideas?

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Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Taking this a step further-
Eptp mode.  Any caveats to turning this on?

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -?

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

Taking this a step further-
Eptp mode.  Any caveats to turning this on?

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat 
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -?

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Jaime Solorza]

I saw antennas mounted on tower at Phillips 66 refinery in Borger, Texas
with rubber sleeve between mount and tower legs.   This tower was always
getting hit by lightning until they installed that weird system I mentioned
once on list with these clear plastic barrels with green looking rock stuff
and some kind of charcoal looking material in the trenches where copper
wire rested...cover with darker material and dirtanyways   I think the
rubber sleeves were an attempt to :"float" the antenna.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:05 PM,  wrote:

> Hard to float a radio if it has an antenna mounted to a tower.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>
> I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a
> radio.  I have an RSD in between.  Should I take extra care to ensure that
> the RSD does not touch the metal enclosure in any way?  I was also planning
> on floating the radio's ground (and the RSD).
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit
>> right now.  I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had
>> better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch
>>> case...)
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>>>
>>> I'll probably just float the ground.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
 scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?

 Josh

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>
 wrote:

> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm
> dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My
> normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some
> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:
>
>> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly
>> this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is
>> 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
>>> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
>>> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
>>> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
>>> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
>>> the
>>> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>>>
>>
>>
>


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Erich Kaiser]

I have also come to the conclusion if deploying anymore -48v radios, each
radio will have its own fused DC to DC converter.  I really wish Meanwell
built a 100 Watt version of the RSD for size purposes and price...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Yep...
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of
>> the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the
>> output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I
>> think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground
>> because he saw a bunch of current being dumped.
>>
>> On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I ground one side of every power supply.  In this case, you
>> would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD.
>>
>> Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs.  I have used a Traco TCL
>> 060-124 DC to do what you want.  If you are going from 24 to 48, there are
>> fewer choices.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>>
>> I'll probably just float the ground.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird < 
>> joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
>>> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>>
 It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm
 dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My
 normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some
 RSD-200C-48 units though.

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:

> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly
> this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is
> 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>
>
> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
>> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
>> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
>> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
>> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
>> the
>> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Erich Kaiser]

Yep...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of
> the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the
> output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I
> think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground
> because he saw a bunch of current being dumped.
>
> On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Personally, I ground one side of every power supply.  In this case, you
> would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD.
>
> Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs.  I have used a Traco TCL
> 060-124 DC to do what you want.  If you are going from 24 to 48, there are
> fewer choices.
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>
> I'll probably just float the ground.
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird < 
> joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
>> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping
>>> to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal
>>> source is out of those, according to their website they have some
>>> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:
>>>
 The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this,
 no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the
 RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.


 On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
> the
> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>


>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[George Skorup]

But the SyncInjector has overcurrent for each radio and the SyncPipe. So 
I'm not real worried about things cooking with that. Exactly as you said 
though, with no protection, a single radio, SS, whatever shorting takes 
the whole site down. And that's ungood. I've had to replace a bunch of 
relays on the SiteMonitor controlled PoE injectors because, well, I was 
stupid. And I don't want to do that anymore.


On 8/19/2015 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the 
Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow.  
It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply they sell 
is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse.  But when I power 
it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little incandescent 
bulb for a fraction of a second before opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.  
Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, 
so I guess they are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses 
actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, 
at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s 
experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, 
if the power supply can’t put out at least 240 watts, things are going 
to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to 
electronics.  I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If 
you're asking because you have nuisance  blows I might consider just 
moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting.


On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.

So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[Jason McKemie]

Sweet.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015,  wrote:

>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Jason McKemie]

I did continuity testing on a Meanwell SD series that I have sitting around
- the inputs, outputs, and ground all seem to be isolated. Is this a good
indicator?

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Personally, I ground one side of every power supply.  In this case, you
> would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD.
>
> Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs.  I have used a Traco TCL
> 060-124 DC to do what you want.  If you are going from 24 to 48, there are
> fewer choices.
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>
> I'll probably just float the ground.
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  > wrote:
>
>> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
>> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping
>>> to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal
>>> source is out of those, according to their website they have some
>>> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:
>>>
 The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this,
 no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the
 RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.


 On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
> the
> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[George Skorup]

Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of 
the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the 
output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I 
think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground 
because he saw a bunch of current being dumped.


On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Personally, I ground one side of every power supply.  In this case, 
you would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD.
Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs.  I have used a Traco TCL 
060-124 DC to do what you want.  If you are going from 24 to 48, there 
are fewer choices.

*From:* Jason McKemie 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
I'll probably just float the ground.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird > wrote:


They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type
of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
Josh
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie

wrote:

It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick
(I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't
exactly correct).  My normal source is out of those, according
to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup
 wrote:

The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work
perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest
you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck
finding some.


On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v
rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment
running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC
converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative
with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground
isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC
converter going to keep things from going boom?

Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable

[Lewis Bergman]

I have a couple thousand feet of that plus some pile attachment hardware if
you wanted to try it cheap.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015, 7:13 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> That's what I use. Keep in mind that the attachment hardware you're
> looking at (trunion) is mainly for straight runs and some slight turns.
> You'll need dead ends for many of the turns.
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Ah.the stuff I'm looking at is labeled ADSS and it has a non-metallic
>> strength member under the outer jacket.  The pole attachment hardware is an
>> aluminum clamp with a rubber grommet.  It just squeezes the cable.
>>
>> Like this guy:
>> http://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/ADSS/Mini-Span/ADSS-Mini-Span.aspx
>>
>> I can understand twisting a figure-8...that makes sense.
>>
>> On 8/18/2015 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
> Yes
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
>>
>> Are you talking about figure-8 cable?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles.  Put twists in it.
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18,
>>> 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
>>> Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it
>>> into the holder?  Or do you mean coils?
>>>
>>> I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for
>>> more strands during my lifetime.
>>>
>>> Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation?  Cheaper?
>>>
>>> On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span.
 Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more
 cables to the same strand.  Other than that it has some nice upsides.

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable

 Is there any downside to self supporting cable?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[George Skorup]

But what about -48 stuff? If the return from the device, which would be 
the + terminal, finds a path through say the surge suppressor instead, 
the fuse will basically do nothing? I guess we could put the -48 side 
into the + terminal though?


This shit gets confusing a lot.

On 8/19/2015 2:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yep

-Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, August 
19, 2015 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly 
DC surge protector???

That's awesome! So what is the fuse protecting? The + input?

On 8/19/2015 10:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Ken Hohhof]

Personally, I ground one side of every power supply.  In this case, you would 
be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD.

Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs.  I have used a Traco TCL 060-124 
DC to do what you want.  If you are going from 24 to 48, there are fewer 
choices.


From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

I'll probably just float the ground.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:

  They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario 
(with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? 

  Josh

  On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 
24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal source is 
out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units 
though.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

  The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, 
no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the 
RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. 


  On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup 
that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell 
DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The 
mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the 
mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter 
going to keep things from going boom? 

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Joe Novak]

CHR is mikrotiks actual solution to router virtualization (will include
drivers.. vmware tools etc)

Mikrotik x86 was never really ment to be virtualized I don't think but
works fine for my house.
On Aug 19, 2015 5:08 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> And by CHR I mean just a regular x86 image I managed to load on my hosted
> providers structure from CD image.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
>
>
> we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited.
> It recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am
> sure it'll come along fine.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Oh, that would be nice.
>
>
>
> I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting
> company.
>
>
>
> Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage
> of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let
> alone the 10Gbps networking.
>
>
>
> So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
>
>
> Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support
> specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's
> a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Keefe John" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> Whats the CHR?
>
> On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> A couple of quick thought for both of your..  Chuck & Forrest..
>
>
>
> 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic
> Generator tool in Mikrotik
>
>   http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator
>
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator
>
>
>
>
>
> 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run
> on most x86 machines...
>
>i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the
> functionality needed.
>
>
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> I use something similar now.  But only have one.  And it is a bit slow.
>
> Considering what Forrest is building.  Will try the MT router initially
> and see what happens.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
>
>
> This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser
>
> http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/
>
>
>
> Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now
> limited by my test station throughput.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big
> dollar testers (which I currently use)?
>
>
>
> It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions.
>
>
>
> Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge
> suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light.  But that sounds pretty
>

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, so not the CHR? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:08:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 



And by CHR I mean just a regular x86 image I managed to load on my hosted 
providers structure from CD image. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:01 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 


we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited. It 
recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am sure 
it'll come along fine. 



On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 




Oh, that would be nice. 

I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting 
company. 

Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the 
ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 
10Gbps networking. 

So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM 



To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 




Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support 
specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a 
thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 





From: "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 

Whats the CHR? 

On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 





From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 


A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck & Forrest.. 



1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator 
tool in Mikrotik 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 





2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on 
most x86 machines... 

i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the 
functionality needed. 





:) 





Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 







From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 








I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. 

Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see 
what happens. 






From: Jon Langeler 

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 




This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser 

http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ 



Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now 
limited by my test station throughput. 



Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar 
testers (which I currently use)? 



It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. 



Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor 
into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and 
dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may 
end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it 
all on one laptop or not. 



Any other ideas? 

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Mike Hammett]

>From what I've heard, it is DPDK enabled. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:54:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 



Oh, that would be nice. 

I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting 
company. 

Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the 
ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 
10Gbps networking. 

So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 


Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support 
specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a 
thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -


From: "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 

Whats the CHR? 

On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -


From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 


A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck & Forrest.. 



1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator 
tool in Mikrotik 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 





2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on 
most x86 machines... 

i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the 
functionality needed. 





:) 





Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 


- Original Message -




From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 








I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. 

Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see 
what happens. 






From: Jon Langeler 

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 




This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser 

http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ 



Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now 
limited by my test station throughput. 



Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar 
testers (which I currently use)? 



It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. 



Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor 
into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and 
dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may 
end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it 
all on one laptop or not. 



Any other ideas? 

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Josh Baird]

Sorry, this radio has an indoor modem, but yeah, I suppose it's still
grounded to the tower through the LMR that runs to the ODU.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:05 PM,  wrote:

> Hard to float a radio if it has an antenna mounted to a tower.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>
> I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a
> radio.  I have an RSD in between.  Should I take extra care to ensure that
> the RSD does not touch the metal enclosure in any way?  I was also planning
> on floating the radio's ground (and the RSD).
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit
>> right now.  I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had
>> better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch
>>> case...)
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>>>
>>> I'll probably just float the ground.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
 scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?

 Josh

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>
 wrote:

> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm
> dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My
> normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some
> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:
>
>> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly
>> this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is
>> 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
>>> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
>>> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
>>> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
>>> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
>>> the
>>> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>>>
>>
>>
>


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Sterling Jacobson]

And by CHR I mean just a regular x86 image I managed to load on my hosted 
providers structure from CD image.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited. It 
recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am sure 
it'll come along fine.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Oh, that would be nice.

I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting 
company.

Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the 
ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 
10Gbps networking.

So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support 
specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a 
thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Keefe John" mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

Whats the CHR?
On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta.


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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
A couple of quick thought for both of your..  Chuck & Forrest..

1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator 
tool in Mikrotik
  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator
  
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator


2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on 
most x86 machines...
   i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the 
functionality needed.


:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
I use something similar now.  But only have one.  And it is a bit slow.
Considering what Forrest is building.  Will try the MT router initially and see 
what happens.

From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser
http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/

Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now 
limited by my test station throughput.

Any ideas o

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -�

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. � Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[chuck]

Hard to float a radio if it has an antenna mounted to a tower.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a radio.  I 
have an RSD in between.  Should I take extra care to ensure that the RSD does 
not touch the metal enclosure in any way?  I was also planning on floating the 
radio's ground (and the RSD).

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit right 
now.  I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had better make 
sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power. 

  -Jason

  On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:

Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch 
case...)

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

I'll probably just float the ground.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:

  They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of 
scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? 

  Josh

  On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm 
dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal 
source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 
units though.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

  The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly 
this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, 
the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. 


  On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier 
setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a 
Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. 
The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep 
the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter 
going to keep things from going boom? 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Josh Luthman]

All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks
no problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the
> bench directly to 2.4.3.
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had
>> a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>>> I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey folks -�
>>>
>>> We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware.
>>> � Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i
>>> just move to 2.4.3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Joe Novak]

we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited.
It recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am
sure it'll come along fine.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Oh, that would be nice.
>
>
>
> I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting
> company.
>
>
>
> Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage
> of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let
> alone the 10Gbps networking.
>
>
>
> So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
>
>
> Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support
> specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's
> a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Keefe John" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> Whats the CHR?
>
> On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> A couple of quick thought for both of your..  Chuck & Forrest..
>
>
>
> 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic
> Generator tool in Mikrotik
>
>   http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator
>
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator
>
>
>
>
>
> 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run
> on most x86 machines...
>
>i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the
> functionality needed.
>
>
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
> I use something similar now.  But only have one.  And it is a bit slow.
>
> Considering what Forrest is building.  Will try the MT router initially
> and see what happens.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
>
>
>
> This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser
>
> http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/
>
>
>
> Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now
> limited by my test station throughput.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big
> dollar testers (which I currently use)?
>
>
>
> It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions.
>
>
>
> Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge
> suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light.  But that sounds pretty
> cheap and dirty.  Want to see numbers.  A laptop talking to another laptop
> with iperf may end up being the solution.  Not sure if there are GigE USB
> NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not.
>
>
>
> Any other ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Josh Baird]

I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a
radio.  I have an RSD in between.  Should I take extra care to ensure that
the RSD does not touch the metal enclosure in any way?  I was also planning
on floating the radio's ground (and the RSD).

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit
> right now.  I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had
> better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch
>> case...)
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>>
>> I'll probably just float the ground.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
>>> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>>
 It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm
 dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My
 normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some
 RSD-200C-48 units though.

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:

> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly
> this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is
> 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>
>
> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
>> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
>> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
>> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
>> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
>> the
>> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the
bench directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a
> black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3
>>
>>
>> On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey folks -�
>>
>> We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. �
>> Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just
>> move to 2.4.3
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tyler
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[David]

I did that with no issue when 2.4 came about.


On 08/19/2015 04:52 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it 
had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as 
always


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David > wrote:


I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:



Hey folks -�

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current
firmware. � Is there a specificupgrade path from 1.4.0 to
current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Sterling Jacobson]

Oh, that would be nice.

I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting 
company.

Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the 
ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 
10Gbps networking.

So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support 
specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a 
thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Keefe John" mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

Whats the CHR?
On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
A couple of quick thought for both of your..  Chuck & Forrest..

1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator 
tool in Mikrotik
  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator
  
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator


2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on 
most x86 machines...
   i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the 
functionality needed.


:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
I use something similar now.  But only have one.  And it is a bit slow.
Considering what Forrest is building.  Will try the MT router initially and see 
what happens.

From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser
http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/

Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now 
limited by my test station throughput.

Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar 
testers (which I currently use)?

It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions.

Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor 
into two ports and seeing if they light.  But that sounds pretty cheap and 
dirty.  Want to see numbers.  A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may 
end up being the solution.  Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do 
it all on one laptop or not.

Any other ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Joe Novak]

on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David  wrote:

> I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3
>
>
> On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
>
>
> Hey folks -�
>
> We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. �
> Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just
> move to 2.4.3
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tyler
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[David]

I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:



Hey folks -

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. 
  Is there a specificupgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just 
move to 2.4.3




Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Jaime Solorza]

Lots of the design is canned AutoCAD stuff we cookie cut since we try to
use what works well.  Most of these are for water pump systems and most of
them use the same system.We have templates and measurements are
standard.  Makes it easier also when engineers give us drawings and
schematics.
On Aug 19, 2015 3:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Tecate would do it for me but my wife likes me to give her  and so
> does mortgage company.  Maybe a primer at AF?
> On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Jamie would you like to come work in Colorado next summer and Jamie-ify
>> all our boxes lol.
>>
>> I can pay with tecate if that helps ;-)
>>
>> Nice work brotha!!!
>>
>> -sean
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Morning project
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

Hey folks -

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware.   Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Jason McKemie]

Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit
right now.  I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had
better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power.

-Jason

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM,  wrote:

> Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch
> case...)
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
>
> I'll probably just float the ground.
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
>> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping
>>> to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal
>>> source is out of those, according to their website they have some
>>> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');> wrote:
>>>
 The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this,
 no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the
 RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.


 On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is 
> the
> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Jaime Solorza]

Tecate would do it for me but my wife likes me to give her  and so does
mortgage company.  Maybe a primer at AF?
On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Jamie would you like to come work in Colorado next summer and Jamie-ify
> all our boxes lol.
>
> I can pay with tecate if that helps ;-)
>
> Nice work brotha!!!
>
> -sean
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Morning project
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[chuck]

Set it on a cardboard box.  (With a sticky note warning not to touch case...)

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

I'll probably just float the ground.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:

  They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario 
(with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? 

  Josh

  On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 
24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal source is 
out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units 
though.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

  The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, 
no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the 
RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. 


  On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup 
that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell 
DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The 
mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the 
mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter 
going to keep things from going boom? 

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Lewis Bergman]

The only thing a fuse protects against, when properly sized and installed,
is a short circuit event. They should never be viewed as some kind of surge
protection unless you enjoy being disappointed.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Fast is better for protection.Better than old cigarette pack method
> used on Fender and Marshall amps back in the day
> On Aug 19, 2015 7:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but
>> recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available,
>> but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.
>>
>> So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that
>> might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that
>> hasn't been a problem so far.
>>
>>


-- 
Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Jason McKemie]

I'll probably just float the ground.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird  wrote:

> They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
> scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?
>
> Josh
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping
>> to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal
>> source is out of those, according to their website they have some
>> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup > > wrote:
>>
>>> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this,
>>> no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the
>>> RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
 I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
 that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
 Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
 ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
 need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the
 DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Sean Heskett]

Jamie would you like to come work in Colorado next summer and Jamie-ify all
our boxes lol.

I can pay with tecate if that helps ;-)

Nice work brotha!!!

-sean

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Morning project
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Jaime Solorza]

form fit and function Toughswitch powered by DC power supply and
protected on LAN and power sides

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:47 PM,  wrote:

> I like the servicability.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> SCADA work always done this way
> On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
>>
>>
>> In truck bed before mounting
>> On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Morning project
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[jerry]

I like the servicability.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> SCADA work always done this way
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>> You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you.
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
>>  
>> In truck bed before mounting
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>> Morning project

Re: [AFMUG] -48 PDU suggestions

[Trey Scarborough]

On 8/18/2015 1:51 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I like the packetflux PDU, but I need to switch -48 loads.  Does 
anybody have any suggestions?


Forrest.if you make it I will buy it.




Try ICT if you want remote meter and switching capabilities.

These are the ones I have been using.

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Jaime Solorza]

SCADA work always done this way
On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
>
>
> In truck bed before mounting
> On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Morning project
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

[Ken Hohhof]

You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector

In truck bed before mounting

On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Morning project

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[chuck]

Yep

-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:44 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector??? 


That's awesome! So what is the fuse protecting? The + input?

On 8/19/2015 10:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

[David]

Mikrotik with Kamfab case and ground the case to earth ground. RB493AH 
should do.


Since most store bought routers do not have its own ground and ll of 
your other ethernet related connections to the outside have
some sort of return ground IE POE with ground lug and SSbox grounded. It 
would seem the thing to do is to complete the
ground for the router because if you get a power surge on the AC circuit 
it will increase a large potential on the load which in turn pops

the weak ethernet ports, since those connections have a ground to go to.



On 08/19/2015 01:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I wonder if you put something like a cheap Ethernet switch ahead of 
the router, if it would just pop the one port, or the whole switch, 
and whether it would propagate through the switch and still pop the 
router port (I have seen that).  If it just pops one port on the 
switch, you can mark it bad and move to the next port.

*From:* Tyler Treat 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here...

My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' 
Rohn25 around 250' from their house.


Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower.

Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall 
if it's bonded to electrical on the house side or not.


Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the 
ethernet port gets blown up on their router every couple months, and 
it's starting to get pricey.


I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and 
tower, but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is 
appropriate/cost effective to bond the tower back to the house ground.


I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other 
radio and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about 
powering two radios off of one POE at that distance.


Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a 
lot of work/expense for one radio.


Anyone have some suggestions?

Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

[Tyler Treat]

I've had that thought as well.  might even be able to walk my parents through 
that over the phone.

Would hopefully save the 40 minute drive that inevitably is needed at the worst 
possible time.


But yes, i've seen it pass through the entire device as well.



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

I wonder if you put something like a cheap Ethernet switch ahead of the router, 
if it would just pop the one port, or the whole switch, and whether it would 
propagate through the switch and still pop the router port (I have seen that).  
If it just pops one port on the switch, you can mark it bad and move to the 
next port.

From: Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house




Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here...



My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 
250' from their house.



Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower.

Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's 
bonded to electrical on the house side or not.



Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port 
gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get 
pricey.

I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, 
but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost 
effective to bond the tower back to the house ground.



I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio 
and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two 
radios off of one POE at that distance.



Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of 
work/expense for one radio.



Anyone have some suggestions?





Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder if you put something like a cheap Ethernet switch ahead of the router, 
if it would just pop the one port, or the whole switch, and whether it would 
propagate through the switch and still pop the router port (I have seen that).  
If it just pops one port on the switch, you can mark it bad and move to the 
next port.

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house



Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here...



My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 
250' from their house.  



Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower.  

Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's 
bonded to electrical on the house side or not.  



Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port 
gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get 
pricey.  

I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, 
but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost 
effective to bond the tower back to the house ground.   



I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio 
and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two 
radios off of one POE at that distance.  



Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of 
work/expense for one radio.



Anyone have some suggestions?





Thanks

Tyler

[AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

[Tyler Treat]

Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here...


My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 
250' from their house.


Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower.

Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's 
bonded to electrical on the house side or not.


Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port 
gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get 
pricey.

I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, 
but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost 
effective to bond the tower back to the house ground.


I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio 
and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two 
radios off of one POE at that distance.


Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of 
work/expense for one radio.


Anyone have some suggestions?



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Bill Prince]

I use a separate fuse for each device. The buss coming into the fuse is 
much larger than the wire coming out.


bp


On 8/19/2015 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Protect the wiring yes, but my main concern is that one bad radio or 
other device doesn’t take down the whole site.

*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow.

Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used 
to protect the wiring. Since it is "usually" faulty equipment causing 
the over current condition, it is already probably toast anyway.


Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping, 
and not so large as to endanger your wiring.


bp


On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for 
the Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium 
blow.  It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply 
they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse.  But 
when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little 
incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.  
Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, 
so I guess they are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses 
actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of 
rating, at 300% it comes down to milliseconds.  That probably 
explains George’s experience with 1/2A fuses.  But also with a 5A 
fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t put out at least 
240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to 
electronics.  I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If 
you're asking because you have nuisance  blows I might consider just 
moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting.


On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.

So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Ken Hohhof]

Protect the wiring yes, but my main concern is that one bad radio or other 
device doesn’t take down the whole site.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow. 

Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used to protect 
the wiring. Since it is "usually" faulty equipment causing the over current 
condition, it is already probably toast anyway.

Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping, and not 
so large as to endanger your wiring.


bp


On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the Trango 
ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow.  It’s kind of 
amusing because the single radio power supply they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, 
so it can’t blow the fuse.  But when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the 
fuse glows like a little incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before 
opening.

  So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.  Some 
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they 
are a rare bird.

  I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses actually 
take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, at 300% it comes 
down to milliseconds.  That probably explains George’s experience with 1/2A 
fuses.  But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t 
put out at least 240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that 
fuse blows.


  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

  A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics.  I'd 
recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If you're asking because you have 
nuisance  blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what 
you're protecting.

  On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but 
recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available, but 
examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.

So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might 
have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been 
a problem so far. 

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Ken Hohhof]

Thanks, somehow I missed that.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote:

So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I
guess they are a rare bird.



Allied has them; Buss GMC series.

http://www.alliedelec.com/bussmann-by-eaton-gmc-4-r/70149513/

GMA is fast acting, GMC is medium time delay, and GMD is time delay.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Bill Prince]

I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow.

Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used to 
protect the wiring. Since it is "usually" faulty equipment causing the 
over current condition, it is already probably toast anyway.


Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping, 
and not so large as to endanger your wiring.


bp


On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the 
Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow.  
It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply they sell 
is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse.  But when I power 
it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little incandescent 
bulb for a fraction of a second before opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.  
Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, 
so I guess they are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses 
actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, 
at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s 
experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, 
if the power supply can’t put out at least 240 watts, things are going 
to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to 
electronics.  I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If 
you're asking because you have nuisance  blows I might consider just 
moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting.


On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.

So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote:

So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I
guess they are a rare bird.



Allied has them; Buss GMC series.

http://www.alliedelec.com/bussmann-by-eaton-gmc-4-r/70149513/

GMA is fast acting, GMC is medium time delay, and GMD is time delay.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Ken Hohhof]

What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the Trango 
ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow.  It’s kind of 
amusing because the single radio power supply they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, 
so it can’t blow the fuse.  But when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the 
fuse glows like a little incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before 
opening.

So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.  Some 
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they 
are a rare bird.

I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses actually take 
30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, at 300% it comes down 
to milliseconds.  That probably explains George’s experience with 1/2A fuses.  
But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t put out at 
least 240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.


From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics.  I'd 
recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If you're asking because you have 
nuisance  blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what 
you're protecting.

On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently 
became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available, but examples 
are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.

  So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might 
have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been 
a problem so far. 

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Mike Hammett]

Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support 
specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a 
thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 

Whats the CHR? 


On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 



A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck & Forrest.. 



1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator 
tool in Mikrotik 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 





2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on 
most x86 machines... 

i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the 
functionality needed. 





:) 





Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 








I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. 
Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see 
what happens. 




From: Jon Langeler 

Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing 


This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser 

http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ 


Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 







Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now 
limited by my test station throughput. 

Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar 
testers (which I currently use)? 

It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. 

Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor 
into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and 
dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may 
end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it 
all on one laptop or not. 

Any other ideas? 

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics.
I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses.  If you're asking because
you have nuisance  blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so
depending on what you're protecting.
On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but
> recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available,
> but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.
>
> So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might
> have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't
> been a problem so far.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada

[TJ Trout]

Time will tell. takes 20 seconds to replace one for $8 that's a lot of
connectors compared to a splice machine or pre term
On Aug 19, 2015 9:51 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Those connectors you refer to in that thread sound like they have an index
> matching gel inside.  I have been told that stuff degrades over a few years
> and the attenuation goes up as the gel degrades.
>
> On 8/19/2015 12:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> do it yourself. it's as easy as terminating an rj45 now. you only need
> $100 in tools. see the thread I had with Paul yesterday on this and wispa
> lists.
> On Aug 19, 2015 9:34 AM, "Ryan Ray"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber
>> that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring

[Matt]

> I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not "can you monitor
> it". That is the way I read it anyway.

Yep, monitoring with MRTG already.  Seems like I cannot enable it with
an SNMP write though.

>> Cacti does this without much fuss
>>
>> If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss.
>> If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report
>> then cacti maybe a solution
>>
>>

>>> Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput
>>> monitoring with SNMP?  Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring

[David]

Ah.. K
I did not read the whole thread :)


On 08/19/2015 11:51 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not "can you 
monitor it". That is the way I read it anyway.


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM, David > wrote:


Cacti does this without much fuss

If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss.
If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly
report then cacti maybe a solution




On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote:

Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput
monitoring with SNMP?  Its a pain logging into GUI to change
each AP.

Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads

[David]

That is to make it customer friendly :)
u know just plug and play and stop calling tech support asking where the 
power button is :)



On 08/19/2015 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all 
your pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had 
customer trained to the point where they understood the need for 
securing your wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote:



http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*/“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first,
the lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law/**//*




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada

[Adam Moffett]

Those connectors you refer to in that thread sound like they have an 
index matching gel inside.  I have been told that stuff degrades over a 
few years and the attenuation goes up as the gel degrades.


On 8/19/2015 12:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote:


do it yourself. it's as easy as terminating an rj45 now. you only need 
$100 in tools. see the thread I had with Paul yesterday on this and 
wispa lists.


On Aug 19, 2015 9:34 AM, "Ryan Ray" > wrote:


Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc
fiber that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone.

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring

[Cameron Crum]

I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not "can you monitor
it". That is the way I read it anyway.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM, David  wrote:

> Cacti does this without much fuss
>
> If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss.
> If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report
> then cacti maybe a solution
>
>
>
>
> On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput
>> monitoring with SNMP?  Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

[Keefe John]

Whats the CHR?

On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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*From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

A couple of quick thought for both of your..  Chuck & Forrest..

1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic 
Generator tool in Mikrotik

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator


2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will 
run on most x86 machines...
   i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of 
the functionality needed.



:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing

I use something similar now.  But only have one.  And it is a bit
slow.
Considering what Forrest is building.  Will try the MT router
initially and see what happens.
*From:* Jon Langeler 
*Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser
http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/
Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such
that I am now limited by my test station throughput.
Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying
more big dollar testers (which I currently use)?
It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions.
Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the
surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light.  But
that sounds pretty cheap and dirty.  Want to see numbers. A
laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being
the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could
do it all on one laptop or not.
Any other ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Platinum Tools EZ: Internal or External Ground?

[TJ Trout]

(tough cable connector style ground)
On Aug 18, 2015 8:18 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> These use a tough cable style ground
> On Aug 18, 2015 1:08 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>
>> > I found a source for the external ground ones for 45 cents each instead
>> of
>> > 1.60$ but u have to buy 1500. hit me off list
>>
>> Have you found a source for the internal ground ones at that price point?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Jaime Solorza]

Fast is better for protection.Better than old cigarette pack method
used on Fender and Marshall amps back in the day
On Aug 19, 2015 7:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but
> recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available,
> but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.
>
> So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might
> have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't
> been a problem so far.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada

[TJ Trout]

do it yourself. it's as easy as terminating an rj45 now. you only need $100
in tools. see the thread I had with Paul yesterday on this and wispa lists.
On Aug 19, 2015 9:34 AM, "Ryan Ray"  wrote:

> Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber
> that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone.
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[George Skorup]

That's awesome! So what is the fuse protecting? The + input?

On 8/19/2015 10:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[George Skorup]

I use fast-blow, they're a lot cheaper and easier to find. Note, a 5GHz 
450AP will run on a 1/2A fuse, and then blow the next morning when the 
traffic hits. Ask me how I know. :( 1/2A fuses are now banned from 
inventory. Our standard is 1A for everything but SyncInjectors which get 
a 5A. Actually, I didn't even bother fusing some of the SyncInjectors. 
Seems redundant. Then all the radios go down when it blows. Which is why 
I don't do a main fuse or breaker for the whole site.


I think a good rule of thumb for fast-blow is to have a fuse rated twice 
the normal operating current.


On 8/19/2015 8:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I use fast blow, why not?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.

So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.

[AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada

[Ryan Ray]

Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber
that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone.

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all your
pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had customer
trained to the point where they understood the need for securing your
wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>
> http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
> lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads

[Rory Conaway]

http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[Josh Luthman]

That's what she said


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That was fast
>
> On 8/19/2015 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???

[Adam Moffett]

That was fast

On 8/19/2015 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

[AFMUG] New LinkPlanner on second monitor - doesn't full screen right

[Josh Luthman]

I'm using Win7 on my laptop and an external monitor on the right.  If I
full screen LinkPlanner the left few pixels (10?) are not showing on the
monitor.

I don't remember this happening previously, I wonder if it was one of the
updates.  I'm on 4.3.1.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ViVint SR1410 CPE

[Jaime Solorza]

Antenna is 19db triple mimo
On Aug 18, 2015 5:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> haI ripped the tags off my sofas and mattresses.   I have no fear
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> When all else fails, read the manual
>>
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2039681
>>
>>
>>
>> Account – root
>>
>> Password – turnkey
>>
>>
>>
>> Default IP address on Eth0 is 192.168.1.100
>>
>>
>>
>> But I would certainly make sure I owned it before I started messing with
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:58 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ViVint SR1410 CPE
>>
>>
>>
>> will give them a try   thx
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> No clue off the top of my head, but I would try these:
>>
>> adminadmin
>> admin* (as in zip, zero, nada)*
>> adminpassword
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2015 2:42 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Hello Blokes:
>>
>> any of you smarter than me dudes know how to reset these puppies?
>>
>> It has a reset switch and does reset it for a few seconds to default
>> 192.168.1.100
>>
>> root and turnkey don't workroot and root don't work
>>
>> Telnet gets me to password and then freezes.
>>
>> I have ping session going on and this puppy will take 30 pings and then
>> nada...my son cancelled his service and they charged him for the outdoor
>> and indoor units.   He is fighting them because service was sporadic for
>> online classes.
>>
>> Ideas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> [image: Avast logo] 
>>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring

[David]

Cacti does this without much fuss

If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss.
If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report 
then cacti maybe a solution




On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote:

Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput
monitoring with SNMP?  Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.

[AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring

[Matt]

Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput
monitoring with SNMP?  Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Not really, its probably in the eula we dont read. Microsoft proably has
owned our first born since 3.1

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> This is pretty scummy. It's actually a good feature because you can
> restrict it to only pc's on your local network, but if by default it's
> sharing out to the internet without informing the user...
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Did they happen to upgrade to Windows 10? Apparently they are pushing
>> updates via torrents by default without users knowing it.
>>
>> http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-update.html
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:44 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out
>>
>> We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there
>> Internet is slow.  We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload is
>> maxed.  Then we spend 20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them trying to
>> figure out what is maxing it out.  How is everyone else dealing with issues
>> like this?
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Standby power controller question

[David]

The one I have is not a Rodchester but its a Gaslow and I think it uses 
the same sensor using a hall effect.

Its a model AD-3G
If it is I will set it up that way.
thanks
Dave


On 08/18/2015 05:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Yes,  all of those switches are snmp visible.  You should be able to 
hover over the switches on the status screen to get the OID.  Or check 
the MIB.


In the future you may just want to hook up a Rochester sensor which 
puts out an analog signal to one of the voltmeter inputs.  Google 
"Rochester r3d hall effect" as an example.  If you power it with a 5v 
source such as a USB power supply, the voltage will correspond to the 
volume if you multiply the voltage by 20.


On Aug 18, 2015 2:44 PM, "David" > wrote:


Forrest,
 We have a couple of these out now and working great so much so
our two-way radio guys have added them on their wish list
for a couple of their sites.

I just got a remote lp gas gauge installed at one of the sites and
I noticed there are some switches that can be used
on the standby controller.
 All I want the gauge to do is turn on the switch when it gets
into the yellow margin to indicate a low tank.

I could use that to alert us to get a new tank in place.

Is it possible to poll the controller snmp for this switch status ?

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Josh Luthman]

I use fast blow, why not?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 19, 2015 9:47 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but
> recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available,
> but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.
>
> So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might
> have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't
> been a problem so far.
>
>

[AFMUG] medium blow fuses

[Ken Hohhof]

I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently 
became aware that medium blow fuses exist.  Not widely available, but 
examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.


So is anyone using these?  Any advantage?  I'm thinking devices that might 
have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't 
been a problem so far. 

Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite

[Rory Conaway]

I have a B5 on the same 8' pole so the radios are about 4' apart.  Since the B5 
is running in 5.1GHz, I put the B5-Lite at 5.8GHz.  I'm not seeing a problem, 
they are both rocking along.  The B5 is shooting about 2.7 miles so it's 
cranked up.  The B5-Lite Spectrum analyzer is showing the B5's at about 60dB in 
5.1Ghz but with the 600MHz spread, doesn't seem to be an issue.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite

Looks promising.

We see mixed results with B5 with other 5GHz gear on the same tower.
Lower modulations than expected. Radar events with new firmware (mimosa is 
working on this).
Does the B5 lite show the same?
As it does not gps-sync with B5 it will behave like foreign gear to a B5.
So no good idea to colocate B5 and B5-lite?


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 07:52
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] B5-Lite

Just threw them up today on a short link for testing.  Here is what I got.



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out

[Dennis Burgess]

If the customer has their own router, not much you can do. We use the CPEs for 
our router for homes, if they want a wireless AP, we put in our own 951U, 
(powers the CPE too) and but that in bridge mode so its  simple.  Then you can 
set PCQ ques on the CPE and prevent that kind of issue ☺  Wish PPPoE had a way 
to test a qeue speed ON the CPE though.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out

What does Torch say?


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From: "Matt" mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:44:25 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out

We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there
Internet is slow.  We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload
is maxed.  Then we spend 20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them
trying to figure out what is maxing it out.  How is everyone else
dealing with issues like this?

Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v

[Josh Baird]

They are hard to find.  Where will you ground the MT in this type of
scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)?

Josh

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping
> to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct).  My normal
> source is out of those, according to their website they have some
> RSD-200C-48 units though.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this,
>> no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the
>> RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some.
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup
>>> that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a
>>> Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the
>>> ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I
>>> need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the
>>> DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out

[Mike Hammett]

I'm assuming they'll only block if they're actually using the torrent protocol. 
If they're using something else (perhaps in-house), I'm assuming it'll go 
through. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:34:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out 

Going to suck when my Barracuda's block them. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out 

Did they happen to upgrade to Windows 10? Apparently they are pushing updates 
via torrents by default without users knowing it. 

http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-update.html 


Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out 

We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there Internet is 
slow. We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload is maxed. Then we spend 
20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them trying to figure out what is maxing it 
out. How is everyone else dealing with issues like this? 

Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite

[Stefan Englhardt]

Looks promising.



We see mixed results with B5 with other 5GHz gear on the same tower.

Lower modulations than expected. Radar events with new firmware (mimosa is 
working on this).

Does the B5 lite show the same?

As it does not gps-sync with B5 it will behave like foreign gear to a B5.

So no good idea to colocate B5 and B5-lite?





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 07:52
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] B5-Lite



Just threw them up today on a short link for testing.  Here is what I got.







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