Re: [AFMUG] Some ideas for your WiFi configuration

[Lewis Bergman]

Somebody had to much time and virtual APs

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, 10:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Friend shared this with me
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Some ideas for your WiFi configuration

[Dave]

WOW!
or WI!

On 02/06/2018 10:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Friend shared this with me

Jaime Solorza


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Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[justsumname .]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/06/warren-buffett-admits-he-made-a-mistake-on-google.html

I believe Mr Buffet said "Google is just an algorithm" somewhere in history.
I remember agreeing with him.

Just sayin'.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> With the opportunities we have in front of us and the equipment we can get
> our hands on today and within the next year, now is the time to invest in
> your company.  Much surer bet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
>
> I'm with you. I would rather put it in my own business. If I am going to
> gamble I'll go to Vegas.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, 11:14 AM Andreas Wiatowski 
> wrote:
>
> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a
> gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
> http://www.silowireless.com
>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>
>
>
> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>
> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>
> WISPA http://wispa.org
>
> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>
> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>
> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
>
> The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC,
> Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban
> Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
> cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ
> via Axios
>
>
>
>
>
> regulation
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Was $5k this morning…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
>
> Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time
> to get in?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Justin Wilson]

Keep in mind the Cellular one brand did not translate well into fixed wireless. 
 I saw that first hand.  It was easy in the cellular market.  There needs to be 
a ton of standardization for things to happen.  We have a co-op here in 
indiana, but everyone uses different equipment, different authentication 
methods, different billing systems, different etc. etc.  LTE removes some of 
these barriers, but its still an issue.

Danville Illinois was one of the last holdouts of Cellular one.  They had fixed 
wireless even after the sale to ATT.  It was so outdated and slow they just 
abandoned. They just told customers it was getting shut off.  They offered no 
alternatives.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> If I remember correctly, Cellular One eventually turned into something more 
> like JAB/Rise, but in the beginning it was more like a coop of independent 
> companies working together for advertising, etc, and to work together instead 
> of just fighting amongst themselves. 
> 
> I always thought that would be a good idea for WISPs. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini  > wrote:
> Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a 
> coop/franchise system 
> 
> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
> Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
> 
> I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele  > wrote:
> What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere 
> I've been
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini  > wrote:
> Hey Guys
> 
> Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should 
> be repeated in the WISP industry? 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/6/18 5:34 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I'm with you. I would rather put it in my own business. If I am going to 
gamble I'll go to Vegas.


Like whoever put all that money on the Eagles.

Re: [AFMUG] blocking

[Adam Moffett]

I guess through a chain of mergers and acquisitions X-Stop is now part 
of Trustwave.

Anybody ever used Trustwave? Any good?

I don't agree with filtering content, but if people will pay me for it 
then why not.



-- Original Message --
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2018 11:25:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking

We also used X-Stop and loved it. They did a phenomenal job with their 
service, and we actually made good money from charging for our 
"filtering" service (especially to school districts and large 
businesses). Each customer had their own "control center" and could 
make adjustments, add exceptions or specifically block a URL. It was 
pretty amazing software for it's time. :)


Travis


On 2/6/2018 9:12 AM, Craig House wrote:
Many many years ago in a land far away when Dial up was still in 
demand, I had a dial up company that purchased a filtering service 
from a company called X-Stop The company was later bought by 8e6 
Technologies and they did an amazing job of both stopping access to 
the undesired content and properly determining what was considered 
Porn or Hate sites.   I'm sure depending on the area of the country 
you live in or the people you surround yourself with the description 
would change but I never had any substantial complaints from the 
customers that sites were not blocked that should be or visa versa.
 They would never tell the actual process they used but they did tell 
me several times that everything was reviewed by human eyes as a final 
check.  One of the criteria was the % of skin tone that would be on 
the page.  I'm sure that after 20 year that all the criteria would 
have to change but I always thought they did a good job


Craig



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:48:38 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] blocking

I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking 
again.  But they are not defining the type of service.  It is one 
thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter or skype 
or..


I want to play defense here and force the lawmakers to define exactly 
what we need to block.
So can you guys help me develop a list of all the things we would have 
to analyze and block if we were going to attempt to create a true 
device that protects kids.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

I told my investment company (AG Edwards) to put it all on Google.  After the 
fact I found out they didn’t .  Something about Google “going dutch”.  Oh man 
was I pissed.  

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 7:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/06/warren-buffett-admits-he-made-a-mistake-on-google.html


I believe Mr Buffet said "Google is just an algorithm" somewhere in history.
I remember agreeing with him.

Just sayin'.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  With the opportunities we have in front of us and the equipment we can get 
our hands on today and within the next year, now is the time to invest in your 
company.  Much surer bet.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com


  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?


  I'm with you. I would rather put it in my own business. If I am going to 
gamble I'll go to Vegas.

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, 11:14 AM Andreas Wiatowski  
wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a 
gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600

http://www.silowireless.com

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV



Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

WISPA http://wispa.org

Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

Paris Chamber of Commerce

Cambridge Chamber of Commerce





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From: Af  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC, 
Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban 
Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified 
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ via 
Axios





regulation

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

Was $5k this morning… 



From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good 
time to get in?



  Gino A. Villarini
  
  President
  
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
  

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Josh Luthman]

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency trading/stocks
are exactly that - gambling.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:

> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a
> gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
> http://www.silowireless.com
>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>
>
>
> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>
> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>
> WISPA http://wispa.org
>
> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>
> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>
> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
>
> The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC,
> Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban
> Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
> cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ
> via Axios
>
>
>
>
>
> regulation
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Was $5k this morning…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
>
> Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time
> to get in?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Josh Luthman]

What firmware policy?  For what?

Support is gone for both HP and Dell when you're buying them years old and
second hand.  Though I did find a guy at Dell could get me the part number
for a HDD pretty easily when I said I was going to buy one from them
(huehuehue).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell,
> before you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
>
> > I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and disk...
> usually
> > don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  Lots of reputable
> > sellers.
> >
> > Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform with a
> > community edition that you hack around to get the latest version. I find
> it
> > very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert them and spin up a new
> > instance of anything easily.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> > Silo Wireless Inc.
> > 1-866-727-4138 x-600
> > http://www.silowireless.com 
> > Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
> >
> > Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
> > CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
> > WISPA http://wispa.org
> > Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
> > Paris Chamber of Commerce
> > Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
> >
> >
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> >On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" <
> af-boun...@afmug.com on
> >behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
> >
> >I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances)
> in
> >the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
> >physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
> >new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
> >Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage,
> or
> >just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware
> NAS,
> >or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
> >it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6
> years
> >ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out
> of
> >resources to add new VM's to it.
> >
> >It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
> >HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k
> range
> >for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
> >anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back
> to
> > the network and be done?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Jason McKemie]

If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency trading/stocks
> are exactly that - gambling.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a
>> gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>
>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>>
>> http://www.silowireless.com
>>
>> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>>
>>
>>
>> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>>
>> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>>
>> WISPA http://wispa.org
>>
>> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended
>> solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged
>> information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not
>> the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message
>> has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by
>> reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are
>> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
>> dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is
>> strictly prohibited.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>>
>>
>> The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC,
>> Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban
>> Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
>> cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ
>> via Axios
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regulation
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Was $5k this morning…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time
>> to get in?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate situated for 
building a recreational pot store at some point in the future

At least the land will retain some value.

(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to happen).  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more control, 
but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency trading/stocks 
are exactly that - gambling.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski  
wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a 
gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

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From: Af  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC, 
Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban 
Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified 
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ via 
Axios





regulation



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too



  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

Was $5k this morning… 



From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good 
time to get in?



  Gino A. Villarini
  
  President
  
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
  

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high tech 
real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei don't 
see investing in office space being
a good investment anymore.


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?


  Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate situated for 
building a recreational pot store at some point in the future

  At least the land will retain some value.

  (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to happen).  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

  If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more control, 
but still gambling.

  On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency trading/stocks 
are exactly that - gambling.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
 wrote:

  Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a 
gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.



  Cheers,



  Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

  Silo Wireless Inc.

  1-866-727-4138 x-600

  http://www.silowireless.com

  Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV



  Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

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  WISPA http://wispa.org

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  From: Af  on behalf of Steve Jones 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



  The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC, 
Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban 
Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified 
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ via 
Axios





  regulation



  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

  Was $5k this morning… 



  From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?



  Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good 
time to get in?



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Robert Andrews]

re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government. 
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to 
resist.


On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high 
tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei 
don't see investing in office space being

a good investment anymore.

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
future
At least the land will retain some value.
(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
happen).
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
 wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600 

http://www.silowireless.com 

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV



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*From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones

*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin
?



The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the
chairman of the SEC, Jay Clayton, are testifying before the
Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee on
Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future
regulation. - WSJ via Axios





regulation



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:

Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini
 wrote:

Was $5k this morning… 



*From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt
Fankhauser 
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Is this a good time to get 

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique" 
political climate in Utah.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high 
tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei 
don't see investing in office space being

a good investment anymore.

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
future
At least the land will retain some value.
(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
happen).
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
 wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600 

http://www.silowireless.com 

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV



Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

WISPA http://wispa.org

Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

Paris Chamber of Commerce

Cambridge Chamber of Commerce





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*From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones

*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin
?



The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the
chairman of the SEC, Jay Clayton, are testifying before the
Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee on
Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future
regulation. - WSJ via Axios





regulation



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:

Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini
 wrote:

Was $5k this morning… 



*From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt
   

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Bill Prince]

I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all the
state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my
memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market.
Sure, the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

> We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique"
> political climate in Utah.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
>
> re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
> When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
> resist.
>
> On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>> I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high
>> tech real estate / office space.
>> But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei
>> don't see investing in office space being
>> a good investment anymore.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>> Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
>> situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
>> future
>> At least the land will retain some value.
>> (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
>> happen).
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>> If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
>> control, but still gambling.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>
>> High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
>> trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>>
>> > OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Suite 1337
>>
>> > OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> > OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
>> or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
>> business.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> 
>>
>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>
>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 
>>
>> http://www.silowireless.com 
>> 
>>
>> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>>
>> 
>>
>> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>>
>> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 
>>
>> WISPA http://wispa.org
>>
>> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
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>> intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain
>> confidential and/or privileged information and may be
>> legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the
>> intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if
>> this message has been addressed to you in error, please
>> immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete
>> this message and any attachments. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
>> dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its
>> attachments is strictly prohibited. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones
>> 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin
>> ?
>>
>> 
>>
>> The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the
>> chairman of the SEC, Jay Clayton, are testifying before the
>> Se

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent climate 
for it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all the state 
& local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my memory). 
But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market. Sure, the retail 
price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

  We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique" 
political climate in Utah.

  -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ? 


  re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
  When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
  resist.

  On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high 
tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei 
don't see investing in office space being
a good investment anymore.

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
future
At least the land will retain some value.
(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
happen).
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St



Suite 1337



Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
 wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600 

http://www.silowireless.com 

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV



Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

WISPA http://wispa.org

Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

Paris Chamber of Commerce

Cambridge Chamber of Commerce





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*From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones

*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a g

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Simon Westlake]

Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the 
ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still would 
rather just go buy some at the grocery store.


On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent 
climate for it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
*To:* Motorola III
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all 
the state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off 
slightly in my memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for 
a black market. Sure, the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it 
was, but we shall see.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a
"unique" political climate in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?


re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty
hard to
resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in
some high tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the
residencei don't see investing in office space being
a good investment anymore.

    - Original Message -
    *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
    *To:* af@afmug.com 
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in
Bitcoin ?

    Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
    situated for building a recreational pot store at some
point in the
    future
    At least the land will retain some value.
    (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that
is to
    happen).
    *From:* Jason McKemie
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in
Bitcoin ?
    If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe
with more
    control, but still gambling.

    On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
     wrote:

    High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and
currency
    trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 
    Direct: 937-552-2343 
    1100 Wayne St


>
    Suite 1337


>
    Troy, OH 45373


>
    On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
     wrote:

    Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money
to burn
    or are a gambling person, probably better to bet
on your own
    business.

    

    Cheers,

    

    Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

    Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600 


http://www.silowireless.com 

    Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

    

    Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

    CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

    WISPA http://wispa.org

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Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Bill Prince]

I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows like a
weed (pun intended).

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the
> ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still would
> rather just go buy some at the grocery store.
>
> On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent
> climate for it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
> *To:* Motorola III
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>
> I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all the
> state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my
> memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market.
> Sure, the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:
>
>> We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique"
>> political climate in Utah.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>>
>> re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
>> When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
>> resist.
>>
>> On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some high
>>> tech real estate / office space.
>>> But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei
>>> don't see investing in office space being
>>> a good investment anymore.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>>
>>> Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
>>> situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
>>> future
>>> At least the land will retain some value.
>>> (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
>>> happen).
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>> If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
>>> control, but still gambling.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
>>> trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>>
>>> >> H+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>>
>>> >> H+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> >> H+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
>>> or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
>>> business.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>>
>>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>>
>>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 
>>> <(866)%20727-4138>
>>>
>>> http://www.silowireless.com 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Bill Prince]

I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's fun, and
you can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be commercially
viable. I also have one friend that made his own still, and is making an
interesting corn liquor. Very small quantities. Kind of fun, but not for
everyone.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows like a
> weed (pun intended).
>
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the
>> ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still would
>> rather just go buy some at the grocery store.
>>
>> On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent
>> climate for it.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
>> *To:* Motorola III
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>> I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all the
>> state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my
>> memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market.
>> Sure, the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique"
>>> political climate in Utah.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>>
>>>
>>> re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
>>> When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
>>> resist.
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some
 high tech real estate / office space.
 But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the residencei
 don't see investing in office space being
 a good investment anymore.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

 Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
 situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in the
 future
 At least the land will retain some value.
 (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
 happen).
 *From:* Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
 If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
 control, but still gambling.

 On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
  wrote:

 High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
 trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 

 
 Suite 1337

 
 Troy, OH 45373

 
 On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
  wrote:

 Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
 or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your own
 business.

 

 Cheers,

 

 Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

 Silo Wireless Inc.

 1-866-727-4138 x-600 
 <(866)%20727-4138>

 http://www.silowireless.com 
 

 Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

 

 Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

 CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

 WISPA http://wispa.org

 Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

 Paris Chamber of Commerce

 

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Simon Westlake]

It's always something I've wanted to do, but I'm not sure my production 
could keep up with my consumption (or perhaps, it would, and I'd have to 
quit my job to brew.)


On 2/7/2018 1:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's fun, 
and you can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be 
commercially viable. I also have one friend that made his own still, 
and is making an interesting corn liquor. Very small quantities. Kind 
of fun, but not for everyone.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows
like a weed (pun intended).

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake
mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow
the ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but
I still would rather just go buy some at the grocery store.

On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has
a decent climate for it.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
*To:* Motorola III
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin
?
I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum
of all the state & local taxes now amounts to about 35%
(might be off slightly in my memory). But the point is, it
leaves a lot of room for a black market. Sure, the retail
price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it
is a "unique" political climate in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in
Bitcoin ?


re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of
government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be
pretty hard to
resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and
invest in some high tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to
the residencei don't see investing in office
space being
a good investment anymore.

    - Original Message -
    *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
    *To:* af@afmug.com 
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get
in Bitcoin ?

    Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some
real estate
    situated for building a recreational pot store at
some point in the
    future
    At least the land will retain some value.
    (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how
likely that is to
    happen).
    *From:* Jason McKemie
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get
in Bitcoin ?
    If you're in business for yourself, you're
gambling. Maybe with more
    control, but still gambling.

    On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
     wrote:

    High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at
all and currency
    trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 
    Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St



>
    Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

I used to make beer when I was a kid.  I grew pot too.  Easier to grow pot than 
it is to make beer.
In the 1970s pot was decriminalized in Oregon.  Everybody that wanted to smoke 
had grow lights in a closet somewhere.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:24 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's fun, and you 
can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be commercially viable. I 
also have one friend that made his own still, and is making an interesting corn 
liquor. Very small quantities. Kind of fun, but not for everyone.


-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows like a weed 
(pun intended).


  -bp



  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



  On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the 
ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still would rather 
just go buy some at the grocery store.


On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent 
climate for it.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
  To: Motorola III 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

  I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all the 
state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my 
memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market. Sure, 
the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a "unique" 
political climate in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ? 


re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard to
resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some 
high tech real estate / office space.
  But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the 
residencei don't see investing in office space being
  a good investment anymore.

  - Original Message -
  *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
  *To:* af@afmug.com 
  *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

  Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
  situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in 
the
  future
  At least the land will retain some value.
  (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
  happen).
  *From:* Jason McKemie
  *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
  If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with 
more
  control, but still gambling.

  On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
   wrote:

  High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
  trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St

  

  Suite 1337

  

  Troy, OH 45373

  

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
   wrote:

  Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn
  or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on your 
own
  business.

  

  Cheers,

  

  Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

  Silo Wireless Inc.

  1-866-727-4138 x-600 

  http

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[chuck]

Hard to brew beer that tastes as good as your favorite commercial brew IMO.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

It's always something I've wanted to do, but I'm not sure my production could 
keep up with my consumption (or perhaps, it would, and I'd have to quit my job 
to brew.)


On 2/7/2018 1:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's fun, and 
you can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be commercially 
viable. I also have one friend that made his own still, and is making an 
interesting corn liquor. Very small quantities. Kind of fun, but not for 
everyone.


  -bp


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows like a 
weed (pun intended).


-bp



--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake  
wrote:

  Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the 
ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still would rather 
just go buy some at the grocery store.


  On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a decent 
climate for it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of all 
the state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off slightly in my 
memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room for a black market. Sure, 
the retail price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

  We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a 
"unique" political climate in Utah.

  -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ? 


  re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of government.
  When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty hard 
to
  resist.

  On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in some 
high tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the 
residencei don't see investing in office space being
a good investment anymore.

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin 
?

Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
situated for building a recreational pot store at some point in 
the
future
At least the land will retain some value.
(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is to
happen).
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin 
?
If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with 
more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency
trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St



Suite 1337



Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
 wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to 
burn
or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on 
your own
business.



 

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Simon Westlake]

Depends how much pot you put in it.

On 2/7/2018 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Hard to brew beer that tastes as good as your favorite commercial brew 
IMO.

*From:* Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
It's always something I've wanted to do, but I'm not sure my 
production could keep up with my consumption (or perhaps, it would, 
and I'd have to quit my job to brew.)


On 2/7/2018 1:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's 
fun, and you can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be 
commercially viable. I also have one friend that made his own still, 
and is making an interesting corn liquor. Very small quantities. Kind 
of fun, but not for everyone.


-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows
like a weed (pun intended).

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake
 wrote:

Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow
the ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but
I still would rather just go buy some at the grocery store.

On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California
has a decent climate for it.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
*To:* Motorola III
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin
?
I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The
sum of all the state & local taxes now amounts to about 35%
(might be off slightly in my memory). But the point is, it
leaves a lot of room for a black market. Sure, the retail
price of pot is about 50% of what it was, but we shall see.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it
is a "unique" political climate in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in
Bitcoin ?


re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of
government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will
be pretty hard to
resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and
invest in some high tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to
the residencei don't see investing in office
space being
a good investment anymore.

    - Original Message -
    *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
    *To:* af@afmug.com 
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to
get in Bitcoin ?

    Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some
real estate
    situated for building a recreational pot store
at some point in the
    future
    At least the land will retain some value.
    (This is Utah, that alone should tell you how
likely that is to
    happen).
    *From:* Jason McKemie
    *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to
get in Bitcoin ?
    If you're in business for yourself, you're
gambling. Maybe with more
    control, but still gambling.

    On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
     wrote:

    High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at
all and currency
trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 
    Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Adam Moffett]

That was unexpectedI almost spit my coffee.

-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2018 2:35:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?


Depends how much pot you put in it.

On 2/7/2018 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Hard to brew beer that tastes as good as your favorite commercial brew 
IMO.


From:Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

It's always something I've wanted to do, but I'm not sure my 
production could keep up with my consumption (or perhaps, it would, 
and I'd have to quit my job to brew.)


On 2/7/2018 1:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I have several friends & relatives that make their own beer. It's 
fun, and you can do some interesting "experiments" that might not be 
commercially viable. I also have one friend that made his own still, 
and is making an interesting corn liquor. Very small quantities. Kind 
of fun, but not for everyone.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
I'm sure that is what a lot of people are going to do. Pot grows 
like a weed (pun intended).


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Simon Westlake 
 wrote:
Plenty of people drink beer, vodka, and wine, and don't grow the 
ingredients/brew it. It's not that hard to make beer, but I still 
would rather just go buy some at the grocery store.


On 2/7/2018 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Why not just grow your own if you wanted pot?  California has a 
decent climate for it.


From:Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:56 AM
To:Motorola III
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

I think that is what might happen in CA legalization. The sum of 
all the state & local taxes now amounts to about 35% (might be off 
slightly in my memory). But the point is, it leaves a lot of room 
for a black market. Sure, the retail price of pot is about 50% of 
what it was, but we shall see.


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:
We still have beer limited to 3.2% alcohol here   it is a 
"unique" political climate in Utah.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?


re: pot store in Utah, never underestimate the greed of 
government.
When AZ, ID and WY legalize it, the suck of taxes will be pretty 
hard to

resist.

On 02/07/2018 10:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
I used to think I wanted to follow Travis's lead and invest in 
some high tech real estate / office space.
But - the more I look around - offices are moving to the 
residencei don't see investing in office space being

a good investment anymore.

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin 
?


Rather than buy bitcoin, I think I will buy some real estate
situated for building a recreational pot store at some point 
in the

future
At least the land will retain some value.
(This is Utah, that alone should tell you how likely that is 
to

happen).
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin 
?
If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe 
with more

control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and 
currency

trading/stocks are exactly that - gambling.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 



>

Suite 1337

>

Troy, OH 45373

>

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski
 wrote:

Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money 
to burn
or are a gambling person, probably better to bet on 
your own

business.



Cheers,



Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:

> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
>
>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>> legislative working group:
>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Some random thoughts.
>>
>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>
>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>> All game servers
>> Twitter
>> Instagram
>> Youtube
>> News outlets
>> Facebook
>> Email
>> Instant messaging
>> Periscope
>> Streaming
>> FTP
>> IRC
>>
>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>> pings if I wanted.
>>
>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>
>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>
>> There are always ways around.
>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>
>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
>> Snake oil.
>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jay Weekley]

How will they police data connections that originate outside of Utah or 
VPNs?


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us

whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.

Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.




---
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just 
religious ideals.  

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering 
product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the 
smaller ISPs.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new Mormon 
religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to finally settle 
in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:

  Proposed legislation in Utah.

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

  Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Steve Jones]

who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
"sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
science, more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if
fifty billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
women wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual
assault, apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students.
women in restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone
looks before feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder
blanket, parades full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal
favorite, our airforce drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is
gone to hell

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM,  wrote:

> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>> legislative working group:
>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>
>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
>>> us
>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>
>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>> All game servers
>>> Twitter
>>> Instagram
>>> Youtube
>>> News outlets
>>> Facebook
>>> Email
>>> Instant messaging
>>> Periscope
>>> Streaming
>>> FTP
>>> IRC
>>>
>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>
>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>
>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>
>>> There are always ways around.
>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>
>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>> gimmicks.
>>> Snake oil.
>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[George Skorup]

Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police. 
We're just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by 
saying the gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city 
provided water pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with 
contaminated water. They say it's the same, but it's not the same, 
because politicians are technologically retarded. If anything, they 
should put this on the content providers. You know, the ones that said 
Net Neutrality was needed so their content can't be blocked.


On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, 
just religious ideals.
The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house 
filtering product.
Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for 
the smaller ISPs.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish 
new Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of 
places to finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force 
religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.
On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following
to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If
you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks
the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send
porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you
around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security. Filters
are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Rory Conaway]

Many politicians took office when their home TV’s were Black and White.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police. We're 
just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by saying the 
gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city provided water 
pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with contaminated water. They say it's 
the same, but it's not the same, because politicians are technologically 
retarded. If anything, they should put this on the content providers. You know, 
the ones that said Net Neutrality was needed so their content can't be blocked.
On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just 
religious ideals.

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering 
product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the 
smaller ISPs.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new Mormon 
religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to finally settle 
in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Bill Prince]

What other kind of TV is there?

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Many politicians took office when their home TV’s were Black and White.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:27 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
>
>
> Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police.
> We're just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by
> saying the gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city
> provided water pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with contaminated
> water. They say it's the same, but it's not the same, because politicians
> are technologically retarded. If anything, they should put this on the
> content providers. You know, the ones that said Net Neutrality was needed
> so their content can't be blocked.
>
> On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
>
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
>
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
>
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
>
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
>
> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
>
> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> legislative working group:
> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>
>
>
> Some random thoughts.
>
> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
> whether it is porn or online banking.
>
> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
> All game servers
> Twitter
> Instagram
> Youtube
> News outlets
> Facebook
> Email
> Instant messaging
> Periscope
> Streaming
> FTP
> IRC
>
> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
> pings if I wanted.
>
> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>
> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>
> There are always ways around.
> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>
> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
> Snake oil.
> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
being.

And they're not wrong.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
> "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white science,
> more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
> billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity, women
> wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
> apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women in
> restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks before
> feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
> full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
> drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
>> religious ideals.
>>
>> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
>> product.
>>
>> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
>> smaller ISPs.
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
>> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
>> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
>> population.
>>
>> Fucking. Morons.
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>>
>>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:

 Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
 legislative working group:
 (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



 Some random thoughts.

 If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
 attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
 us
 whether it is porn or online banking.

 Do we also block Bit Torrent?
 XBox Grand Theft Auto
 Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
 All game servers
 Twitter
 Instagram
 Youtube
 News outlets
 Facebook
 Email
 Instant messaging
 Periscope
 Streaming
 FTP
 IRC

 The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
 pings if I wanted.

 What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
 Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
 Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
 Curtains blowing in the breeze.

 How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
 Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

 There are always ways around.
 For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

 Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
 gimmicks.
 Snake oil.
 But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jaime Solorza]

Hum. Interesting paradox...imposing religious ideals on people...where have
I heard and seen that before?
Hypocrisy at it's finest.   In this country you can choose to believe in a
turnip as your supreme being for all I care.  Que pinchi mamadas!
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 7, 2018 1:26 PM,  wrote:

> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>> legislative working group:
>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>
>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
>>> us
>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>
>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>> All game servers
>>> Twitter
>>> Instagram
>>> Youtube
>>> News outlets
>>> Facebook
>>> Email
>>> Instant messaging
>>> Periscope
>>> Streaming
>>> FTP
>>> IRC
>>>
>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>
>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>
>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>
>>> There are always ways around.
>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>
>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>> gimmicks.
>>> Snake oil.
>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jason McKemie]

That's probably because we, as a culture, do have a really weird
puritanical view of the world :)

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
> this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
> 100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
> being.
>
> And they're not wrong.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
> > "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
> science,
> > more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
> > billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
> women
> > wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
> > apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women
> in
> > restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks
> before
> > feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
> > full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
> > drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> >> religious ideals.
> >>
> >> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house
> filtering
> >> product.
> >>
> >> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for
> the
> >> smaller ISPs.
> >>
> >> From: Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>
> >> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> >> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> >> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> >> population.
> >>
> >> Fucking. Morons.
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>>
> >>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
> 
>  Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>  legislative working group:
>  (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
> 
> 
> 
>  Some random thoughts.
> 
>  If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>  attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same
> to
>  us
>  whether it is porn or online banking.
> 
>  Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>  XBox Grand Theft Auto
>  Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>  All game servers
>  Twitter
>  Instagram
>  Youtube
>  News outlets
>  Facebook
>  Email
>  Instant messaging
>  Periscope
>  Streaming
>  FTP
>  IRC
> 
>  The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn
> via
>  pings if I wanted.
> 
>  What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
> readings?
>  Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>  Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>  Curtains blowing in the breeze.
> 
>  How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>  Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
> 
>  There are always ways around.
>  For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
> 
>  Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>  gimmicks.
>  Snake oil.
>  But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
> 
> >>>
> >
>