[arr] Re: Deewali Spl :A R Rahman Non-Stop Festival Edit Mix 2008 ( Tamil Edition)

[ST]

Thanks a ton dude!! You're awesome..


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, wiredbeats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  Hello!
> 
> 
> Yeah! Its that time of the year when i release a very special mix-
set of the my chosen tracks of AR Rahman. Each year i have been 
releasing several remixed tracks of AR Rahman’s works. These 
remixed tracks keep me on higher ground which helps me produce some 
original tracks, which you can find here and few other places, 
including in this website.
> Coming back. This year i present a new remix set for you. Enjoy 
your Deewali with a blast of non-stop Rahman’s remixed tracks. I 
have selected some interesting tracks, not the usual dance hits of 
Rahmans. Each year I release 2 editions of the non-stop remix set, 
one with tamil tracks and the other one with Rahman’s hits in 
Hindi. This year’s Hindi mix set includes remixed versions of 
Rahman’s latest - Yuvraaj.
> Make your Deewali a dance blast with my first release, The 
Rahman’s Festival Edit Mix 2008 ( Tamil Edition). A 45 mins non-
stop back to back play of Rahman’s tracks from is early days to his 
recent compositions.
> Enjoy the mix here!
> http://wiredbeats.com/2008/10/a-r-rahman-non-stop-festival-edit-mix-
2008-tamil-edition/ 
>   * Title : AR Rahman Non Stop Festival Edit Mix 2008 ( Tamil 
Edition)
>   * Size : 39 MB
>   * Duration : 42Mins
>   * Format :mp3
>   * Genre - Club/Dance
> 
> regards
> 
> Wiredbeats
> 
> PS : By the way you can also buy my album out in iTUNES, Amazon 
music etc
> 
> 
>   Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to 
http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
>

[arr] Re: Kannathil Muthamitaal Climax BGM

[ST]

Thanks Thulasi, this is awesome!


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Thulasi Ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> now, this is terrific stuff.. really great rip. just hearing the 
BGM, i can
> visualize the scenes in my mind. that is the power of ARRs music.. 
its
> totally from his heart.. what an excellent piece of BGM ARR has 
crafted for
> this movie. simply amazing stuff.
> 
> long live ARR.
> 
> thanx Thinesan.. share more BGMs plz..
> 
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Thineshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >   Hey guys, I decided to try to rip one of my favourite BGMs ever!
> > This is from the climax of kannathil muthamitaal. It came out very
> > nicely! I encoded it into flac for size reduction. But even 
still, the
> > size is very big! (6mb/minute) One thing to notice is that 
although
> > the size is reduced, the quality is LOSSLESS just like wav. 
Absolutely
> > no loss. Eventhough the size is big, I promise you, its 10 
minutes of
> > absolute bliss.
> >
> > And it is a torrent file, which means it wont take long to 
download.
> > Ill be uploading it directly from my computer and also as people
> > download, they can also help seed me. Which means we will all 
benefit
> > from each other. So here is the torrent shortcut, just isntall
> > utorrent (google search its free) and then open this file and 
save the
> > file to your fav destination. I'll be seeding this 24/7.
> >
> > Please download and check the BGM out for urself. If you guys are 
all
> > satisfied, I can even rip the entire BGM of kannathil muthamitaal.
> > Make a compilation just like kaissom or vithur and we can use 
torrent
> > to share. The ball is in your court.
> >
> > Torrent Shortcut: http://www.sendspace.com/file/oeo957 (just open 
this
> > with softwares such as utorrent available here
> > http://filehippo.com/download_utorrent/)
> >
> > ** the more people download, the faster the download will be for
> > others since there are more people uploading it via torrent. so 
this
> > is perfect for long term sharing like BGM collections. Please 
consider
> > this method for sharing files since sizes seem to be an obstacle 
here
> > which results in quality loss when methods such as mp3 
compression is
> > approached.
> >
> > Actual File: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jetucs
> >
> > ** just in case people are not able to use torrents, here is the 
link
> > to the actual file. but remember this link expires in a while and 
its
> > not a very fast way to download and its also a hassle to upload 
due to
> > large sizes. Thats why i prefer the torrent method.
> >
> > *** i am just trying to introduce new methods for BGMs and file
> > sharing in order to show you all that we can all be proud owners 
of
> > lossless BGMs from ARR!
> >
> > Please pour ur comments in!
> >
> >  
> >
>

[arr] Oakland Concert Audio

[ST]

I have recorded about 85% of the concert last weekend.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XLC9SKSQ
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/-1100164959/ARR_Oakland.zip

-S

[arr] Coming from the Oakland concert

[ST]

This was an awesome event!! I just got back, and can't get it out of my 
mind.

Sivaji, Guru, and RDB dominated the list. 
I've recorded most portion of the concert audio. It has turned out 
quite decent.. I'll post it in a few days after some editing.

P.s. what is a good simple audio editor for WMA files?

-S

[arr] Oakland (San Francisco) concert and ARR fan gathering

[ST]

Yes I've bought tickets. They're probably sold out by now.
I'm actually flying from Seattle to San Francisco for the the concert, 
and it would be great to arrange an ARR fan gathering before the 
concert.

Who are the organizers? I will contact them to see if we can get a 
private gathering with ARR for this group.

Please let me know who all are going. The more people we have, the 
better chance we have of arranging something.

-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "tanyaagha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i dont thin anything has happened yet, one of the group members tried 
> to talk to the sponsors for the group but the concern was 
disregarded, 
> anyways did you already buy your tickets?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "ST"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Has anyone planned ARR fan gathering?
> >
>

[arr] Anyone going to Oakland concert?

[ST]

Has anyone planned ARR fan gathering?

Re: [arr] My dedication to ARR uncle for the movie Sivaji

[ST]

Excellent! you have amazing talent. Sure, we would love for you to do
more ARR tracks.

-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Thulasi Ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> simply superb! hats off.. try thirupaavai version too.. great work. very
> professional
> 
> On 10 Apr 2007 19:00:16 -0700, T Krishnababu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Dear All.
> >
> > Thanks to appa for buying the original cd album of Sivaji, I
listened it
> > today and loved the song "Sahana Saral". I thought the best way is
to try
> > play the song and dedicate same to him.
> >
> > Appa has given the song track performed by me in the following link
> >
> > http://keyboardsathya.com/album_sample.php
> >
> > I request all of you to kindly spare that 5 minutes and post your
> > comments. It is just an attempt i made using rhythm from my Yamaha
640 and
> > melody played on KORG TR keyboard.
> >
> > Thanks to appa for recording the track in the sytem and uploading.
Hope
> > you all will like it. If  so, then i can do many tracks of ARR
uncle and
> > send it.
> >
> > I am sure many of you would be close to ARR uncle and if possible
try to
> > play this track to him and i will be much obliged. After all it
will be like
> > a small offering to the God.
> >
> > With love to all Sathya
> >
> > + 91 94443 90193 (appa's mobile)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[arr] New ARR FTP Server ?

[ST]

Hey guys,

Is there still an active ARR ftp server? 
If not, I was thinking of hosting one - but only for BGMs and remixes,
not for sharing full tracks.

There will have to be some sort of manual screening to prevent full
tracks from being uploaded. In my mind its primary purpose is to share
BGMs and rare tracks that can not be purchased readily, and to inspire
more remix efforts. 

Any thoughts?

-S

[arr] Re: Download 2 GURU BGM'S that keeps everyone adrenalin flowing

[ST]

Can you please post these on the web somewhere? Some of us dont
subscribe to this group via email.




--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Thulasi Ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> GURU chant attached. i personally love this bit
> 
> On 1/17/07, Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > i believe these two BGM's: dhom dhadaka and GURU chant will shut those
> > people's mouth who criticize our GURU's GURU BGM. note that these
two are
> > jus couple of samples.. for entire magic, watch the movie
> >
> > BGM1 attached
> > BGM2 in next mail.. i sent both in same mail. due to space quota,
i got a
> > delivery failure
> >
> >
> >
>

[arr] Re: Request to all Orkutians here.....

[ST]

Hi Durba,

I am a big Rahman fan, and always have been. But I don't think any
critics of Rahman should be shunned down. There is no need to ban
anti-rahman community; they have the right to free speech as much as
we do. One exception is when personally targeted hateful mails are
being exchanged, in which case we should definitely report the group
as abusive.

May I suggest that we don't report boguses and let those communities
live. The best part (of being a rahman fan) is to see how few members
those anti-ARR communities have!

-S

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "durba bhattacharjee"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As a member of Orkut, I came across two communities related to ARR. 
> The first one is `I Hate Rahman' and the second one is `Rahman the 
> music thief'. 
> All who have account in Orkut, please visit these communities and 
> report `bogus'. After 100 `bogus' reports, Orkut will ban those 
> communities. I request you not to send any personal mail, scrap or 
> message attacking the owners and moderators of these two communities. 
> Have patience, only reporting `bogus' will serve our purpose.
> 
> The urls of these communities are -
>http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=23910958
>http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=16315862
> 
> Durba
>

[arr] Re: Silllunu Oru Kadhal OST - 256 Kbps VBR [Voiceless]

[ST]

Thanks Diniesh, I love ARR's BGMs



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, ruben mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> thanks dinesh for the great work...take care..
> 
> 
> Rahmania <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Dinesh THANK U THANK U THANK U
> 
>  Am eternally grateful to u
>   
>  Regards,
>  Swapna
>   
>  Rahmania ... the ultimate fan station www.rahmania.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  - Original Message 
> From: Dinesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 2:49:49 PM
> Subject: [arr] Silllunu Oru Kadhal OST - 256 Kbps VBR [Voiceless]
> 
>   Movie : Sillunu Oru Kadhal
> Music : 'Mozart Of India' A.R.Rahman
> OST Run Time : 1 Hour 16 Mins 50 Secs
> Quality : 256 Kbps VBR - 48kHz
> 
> SOK Voiceless BGM Part 1 - http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= WZ59ERRQ [39 
> Tracks]
> 
> SOK Voiceless BGM Part 2 - http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= WXWOY2AZ [38 
> Tracks]
> 
> Enjoy & do let me know about the quality...thanks! !!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[arr] Re: Rahman learns the accordion

[ST]

Also the beginning of Baazi Laga

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, neena kochhar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Ameer, you are right, I also mentioned the use of accordian for the
song Aye Hairthe Ashiqui in my last mail to the group.
> 
> Mohamed Ameer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
>   I think he has used accordion in the song "Aye Hairathe Aashiqui",
please correct me if i am wrong
>  
>   regards
>   Ameer
> 
>   
> 
>   - Original Message 
> From: Gopal Srinivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:32:56 AM
> Subject: [arr] Rahman learns the accordion
> 
> Rahman learns the accordion
> 
> He's a music director who doesn't need to prove his credentials
today. And one would expect
> Rahman to take it easy when it comes to filmi music, but that is far
from the case. Rahman
> still goes out of his way to deliver his best, whether it is for an
Indian project or an
> international one. For Mani
> Ratnam's Guru, the musician actually went searching for an
instrument he didn't know how to
> play — the accordion. He went to a popular music store in Hong Kong,
purchased an accordion,
> learnt how to play it and actually incorporated this in the music of
the film. Such dedication!
> Must say that is truly the mark of a guru!
> 
> The Times of India
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> -
>   Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.  
> 
>  
> 
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[arr] Re: An Interesting Find Out from GURU soundtrack - Must Read!!

[ST]

Sounds like you found your own blog ;)


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, ruben mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hi, I was surfing through the internet blogs for interesting review
of GURU soundtrack and found this blog -
http://arrahman-fan.blogspot.com there is an interesting find out
in the track Barso Re ...must read. The blog also very interesting our
boss Biography.
>
>   take care guys
> 
>  
> -
> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
>

[arr] Re: Dutch musical awards -chiya

[ST]

Cant believe I missed this post earlier. This is amazing.. great as 
well as hillarious - especially because of the vocals. Nice to see, CC 
must have gotten quite popular in the netherlands. 

-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "John jeevinth" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Check tis out
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qotuhl69U&search=bombay%20dreams
> -- 
> -John
>













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[arr] Re: Banyan Theme composed by ARR

[ST]

Hey Raj, Its beautiful!!
Proud to be ARR fan.

-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "raj_d_kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdEcNe0wrwU
> 
> i was looking for this song for some time.. i have heard it first
> time, when ARR performed in the concert in Hong Kong... Very nice 
one... 
> 
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[arr] ARR for 2008 Olympics???

[ST]

Is it really true?

http://bmcirillo.blogspot.com/2006/04/covered-tools-important.html

I'm ushering some shows coming up, so that should be cool (read as get
in for free!). This weekend for The Good Person of Setzuan which I've
helped build the set for and everything, and that it should be cool to
see the fruition of all that work. Next weekend I will be going to
Dayton to usher an A.R. Rahman show called Wake Up! He has personally
asked for Western Students to usher his show because he was so
impressed by us when he came last semester (so that's pretty cool).
He's the most famous composer in Bollywood (who knows how many times
larger than hollywood), the composer of the Andrew Lloyd Webber
musical Bombay Dreams, the new Lord of the Rings musical, many MANY
movies (including Spike Lee's Inside Man and Andrew Niccol's God of
War) and he has been signed on for the 2008 Olympics. That should be
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[arr] Re: Grado headphones and ARR's music

[ST]

Hi,

I had bought grado SR60 especially to listen to ARR. Its sound 
quality is fantastic, even at high volumes. My only problem with it 
is that it gets uncomfortable to wear after a little while. In all 
other ways it is comparable to higher priced models of otehr brands. 
If you want somethign portable, go for another model.

I've always wondered what are the best brand of headphones for ARR. 


-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Anyone listen to ARR on Grados?
> 
> Whats the epereince like?
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[arr] Re: A.R.Rahman's tamil song used for a french song

[ST]

Wow!

Roop suhana tune was also used in coke ads around Australia area a
year or so ago.

Still Refreshing..
the song that is.

-S


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, mangal pravien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> hi ram!
>   the song was really awesome, thanx for sharing dis song wid us.
>   and i'v got some  questions 2 u.
>   1. how did u get this link? or how did u know abt it?
>    
>   2. what do think about the musician, how he cud know about rehman
ji's this 
>   song. since there is a lot of rehman ji's songs been world wide 
>   recognized? (dilse, bombay dreams, vande mataram)
>    
>   pravien mangal.
> 
> ram930_krishna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Rahman's song used for a french song  5/3/2006 10:05 AM
> http://www.myspace.com/lacaution
> Friends,
> Listen to the Pilots Automatiques ...
> U r in for a huge surprise.
> The most happy thing is that a tamil song is being remixed and used
> instead of hindi.
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[arr] What is really inside "Inside Man"

[ST]

Hi All,

I recently saw the movie Inside Man – primarily because it featured
chaiya chhaiya. As some people have pointed out it is used only as an
opening and closing number. The opening version has been shortened
considerably and has been "decorated" by Terence Blanchard. The
closing version has some contributions by Blanchard as well as Punjabi MC.

Apparently these contributions seem to have been made without
consulting ARR, and it shows. Terence Blanchard's additions are very
inappropriate and practically ruin it, when compared to the original.
His strings are almost out of harmony with the underlying composition
and he has added a discordant loud noise at selected places – which
apparently turns out to be a theme of the movie. Punjabi MC's
contributions are equally inappropriate if not more. Especially when
playing this in the western markets, where rap style has matured
fairly well, PMC's additions sound amateurish. It makes you appreciate
the way ARR blends in Blaze's rap into his originals. In addition, the
placement of the tracks is completely irrelevant to the storyline. I
was expecting it to be used to promote cultural diversity in NY, like
someone here had suggested, but that was not the case. It seems to
have been used simply because Spike Lee liked it, which in my opinion
is good enough, but not the greatest reason..(since it exposes ARR's
work to a larger crowd)

All this bring about another point to mind – that ARR's music can not
be well understood even by professional artistes around the world –
and that if you can not understand the substance, you can not alter
it. I'm sure all of you hardcore fans would agree that ARR's music is
clearly in another dimension, one that may not be obvious at first.

It seems to me that ARR works best as a Maverick. Anyone else's
contributions simply add dust in the heavenly air he brings us. The
only other composer which whom he has successfully blended is Nusrat
Fateh Ali Khan. Now, considering that LOTR music may also be
adulterated, it makes me eagerly wait for a review from a die-hard ARR
fan, someone who has experienced and appreciates his past work, and
ofcourse I want to hear the soundtrack itself. 

Despite my disappointment I am very proud that our ARR is getting more
international attention. He has expressed that he will take on a
Hollywood movie if and when the right opportunity comes with a
director who understands his music. I now completely understand why he
is so reserved. One day he will become a household name around the
world, and be revered as one of the greatest music artistes the world
has produced.


- S

P.S. overall, ch ch and the movie itself are not bad, quite enjoyable.










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[arr] Re: LOTR reviews

[ST]

Yes, unfortunately, this is a not the best start.

"And though the musical score, by the Indian film composer AR Rahman,
the Finnish group Värttinä ... it doesn't, at least on first hearing,
seem to offer any memorable take-home numbers."

We should keep in mind that these folks have probably never heard
ARR's work, and so they don't know what we do.. that his music grows
with time. We should hope for positive reviews, but ultimately the
only review that will shed the right light is our own.

-S







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> Not the best way to begin your day, but I guess what has to be said
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>
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http://www.calendarlive.com/stage/cl-et-lord24mar24,0,1536887.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels
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http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/entertainment/gossip/14171713.htm
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[arr] Re: Looking back at Kuch Kuch Hota Hai vs. Dil Se

[ST]

Hey Ajit,

I totally agree. Dil se, roja, rangeela, zubeidaa earth,fire, water..
pretty much any ARR tune you start loving, it will last forever. 

This is the magic of ARR. He is gifted with a unique ability to not
only compose good tunes but with splendid creative ability to produce
tunes outside of our imagination.

Long live ARR.. his music will surely live forever!
-S




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> of this group, people here were complaining about Jatin Lalit's 
> arrogance and how the music of Kuch Kuch Hota Hai was not as good as 
> Dil Se, despite it being so popular.  
> 
> Well, looks like over time, Dil Se's music has a much more permanent 
> place among music lovers alike!
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[arr] Re: The importance of being AR Rahman

[ST]

> In March, another song by him will be featured on the soundtrack of
Spike Lee's Inside Man starring Denzel Washington.

Any ideas which?


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> http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1631527,0011.htm
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> Dil se
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[arr] Re: A Look Inside the Mind and Soul of Composer A.R. Rahman - India West

[ST]

A great read!!
Thanks Karthik.


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>
http://www.indiawest.com/view.php?subaction=showfull&id=1140722059&archive=&start_from=&ucat=7
> 
> A Look Inside the Mind and Soul of Composer A.R. Rahman
> 
> By LISA TSERING
> India-West Staff Reporter
> 
> PALO ALTO, Calif. - The superstar was down-to-earth, with an easy
> laugh, self-deprecating air, and an ingratiating willingness to speak
> from the heart. A.R. Rahman traced his career from pre-Roja to
> post-Rang De Basanti in an intimate, satisfying onstage chat at
> Stanford University's Dinkelspiel Auditorium Feb. 14 during the
> school's Pan-Asian Music Festival.
> 
> Visiting ethnomusicology professor Natalie Sarrazin prefaced the
> conversation by tracing the history of what film music was like before
> a 25-year-old Rahman burst on the scene in 1991 with Roja.
> 
> Sarrazin offered a fascinating look at the history of Hindi film music
> with its penchant for absorbing international influences and its
> unwritten rules. Each example was illuminated with a charming snippet
> of video, from films such as Shree 420, Sholay and Dilwale Dulhaniya
> Le Jayenge.
> 
> "There are certain 'codes' - iconic sound images - that recur in
> Indian film music," she said. "The timbre of the Indian female voice
> is quite prominent, you hear large orchestras and soaring violins, and
> a wall of sound ... rising violins are a code for a love song."
> 
> Rahman turned it all upside down, she explained.
> 
> "The first thing he did was to take the orchestral introduction and
> completely get rid of it." Cueing a scene from the Tamil film
> Gentleman (Rahman's Tamil compositions were not overlooked during the
> evening), she demonstrated how Rahman brought in one instrument at a
> time, creating musical tension. To cheers and shouts from the
> audience, Sarrazin moved on to musical scenes from Rahman's scores
> that have become icons themselves: Mani Ratnam's Roja (the witty
> "Rukmani Rukmani"), Bombay ("Tu Hi Re"), the Hindi version of Yuva and
> Dil Se ("Chhaiyya Chhaiyya"); Tehzeeb and Saathiya.
> 
> "He often puts two incongruous styles together that somehow seem to
> work," Sarrazin observed, with a clip from Lagaan's English/Hindi song
> "O Re Chori" and Sushmita Sen's jittery "Shakalaka Baby" (Nayak),
> which was one of his hit songs reworked to great effect in "Bombay
> Dreams."
> 
> As much as his fans and fellow artists love his music, Rahman is
> notorious for taking his time on each project. "I have a nice
> relationship with all directors, but I drive the producers crazy," he
> joked. "Mani [Ratnam] tells me the story that he told me for Roja, 'I
> need five songs, and I need them yesterday.' I was gone for three
months."
> 
> Working with lyricists, too, has its quirks. "Sometimes Gulzar-sahib
> or Javed-sahib will give me just a title. Other times, they want the
> tune first, then they'll give the lyrics."
> 
> One of the reasons Roja was such a departure from the style of music
> at the time was the way it was recorded, explained Rahman. "At the
> time, there were these huge recording halls, with 50 violins," he
> said. "But I was doing commercials in my own studio. When Mani wanted
> me to do the music, I said, 'Let's do it at my place.'
> 
> "I called my musician friends to come for the session, but at the last
> minute they all ditched me! I think they had all been offered more
> money somewhere that day," he said, laughing along with the audience.
> 
> "But my mother said, 'God will provide.' I ended up recording [the
> instrumental version of ]'Choti Si Asha' by myself, on a keyboard and
> sequencer. I thought I'd need to bring in 50 violins, but Mani said
> 'No, just be yourself. Follow your instincts.'"
> 
> Since he got his start writing ad jingles, wasn't it intimidating to
> take on the soundtrack to an entire three-hour film, asked Sarrazin.
> "I was terrified in the beginning," replied Rahman. "But then I
> learned that if I could write a piece of music that was 30 seconds
> long, then all I'd have to do is repeat it!"
> 
> He's not afraid to repeat what works. Rahman's haunting, cello-heavy
> Bombay theme, used to poignant effect in that film and in Deepa
> Mehta's Fire, also cropped up in the Nicolas Cage vehicle Lord of War.
> And when he was first approached for "Bombay Dreams" by impresario
> Andrew Lloyd Webber, he said, "I decided, I won't tell them I'll use
> my old film songs!" ("Ishq Bina" and other hits were reworked in
> English for the play.)
> 
> Rahman traced the history of some of his best-loved pieces, such as
> the ambitious Vande Mataram project and "Chhaiyya Chhaiyya" ("That was
> based on a Sufi song from Bulleh Shah, sung originally by Abida
Parvin").
> 
> Superlatives follow Rahman around like a spotlight: one of India's
> most prolific and top-selling composers; reportedly the world's
> top-selling artist, with many millions of records sold, he is no

[arr] Re: a r rahman's response to the group's birthday wishes

[ST]

Simply the idea that he thought of us means a lot to us. Thanks Vijay.

-S

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>
> Folks,
>
>   I must apologise...ive been very very busy and didnt even check
this email by a r r sent almost a week back..this is the response
to the birthday wishes that we collated and sent to him..thanks
once again !!!
>
>   "To all of you Fans  who were worried for me and those who 
> wished me on my birthday ..and those who thought of doing it
..thanks a lot .Prayed for the whole group That all of you should
all be winners in life and you should be guided right always ..!."
>
>   Cheers
>   Vij
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> 
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[arr] Re: MUSIC OF MIDDLE EARTH: AN interview with Christopher Nightingale

[ST]

"everything has grown together, building a whole and complete new
world. In the finished score, I hope there will be no song you can
point to and say `that's by A.R. Rahman,' or `that's by Värttinä.' You
may hear a melody originally written by Rahman, but to which Värttinä
has applied its own, unique interpretation, and vice-versa."

Has our ARR ever produced anything that is "fused" together with
another composer? With the possible exception of the song with Nusrat
Fateh Ali Khan there seems to have always been a clear boundary on
where his contributions lie.



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>   Christopher Nightingale is the orchestrator and musical supervisor
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Middle-earth. He worked with the composers – A.R. Rahman and Värttinä
over the course of two years and the music would not be there without
him. Chris is one of theatre's most experienced and highly regarded
masters of his craft, with past credits that include some of West End
London's best plays and musicals, despite his never having imagined a
career for himself in either theatre or music.   "I didn't set out to
pursue a career in music" explains Nightingale. In fact I studied
sciences. I did have a musical background - and I went to Cambridge on
an organ scholarship – but I took a degree in Natural Sciences.
However, it was at Cambridge that I discovered how much I loved the
theatre when I became involved with the Footlights, the amateur
theatre club at the university. The truth is that I spent a good deal
of the time I should have spent with my
>  science books playing the piano with the Footlights, instead." 
>Actually, Chris Nightingale did far more than just play the
piano. He was musical director of the Footlights for three years – and
the Footlights was (and is) far more than an "amateur theatre club";
it has provided Britain's professional theatre with some of its
brightest talent for more than 120 years. 
>   "Going into the theatre wasn't a conscious choice, but when the
opportunity came along, it felt like the right thing to do. After
university, I messed around for a bit, playing piano here and there,
skiing… and then Richard Brown, who's working with me now on The Lord
of the Rings, gave me a job playing piano at the Royal Shakespeare
Company. And here I still am, sitting at a piano in a theatre, almost
20 years later." 
>   But even 20 years of theatre experience wasn't quite enough to
prepare Chris fully for the proposal he would receive from producer
Kevin Wallace. 
>   "I had worked with Kevin before but when he first approached me to
ask what I thought of the idea of a stage production of Tolkien's
books, possibly a musical, my first reaction - and I think it was our
director, Matthew Warchus's as well - was `You've got to be kidding!
The idea is crazy!' 
>   "I found it difficult to imagine The Lord of the Rings as a stage
production - the work is so vast - how would you put a thousand pages
of text into a theatre? But I found it impossible to imagine it as a
musical. How could you find a route in - musically – that could do
this work justice, and avoid cliché and cuteness? Frodo singing about
how heavy the ring is and how he just can't go on? It seemed to me
like a very bad idea. 
>   "Then I looked back at the books. I had forgotten how filled with
music they are. Music - both literally and as metaphor - is central to
the tale. In The Silmarillion, Tolkien's introduction to his imaginary
universe, Middle-earth is called into being in song, and each new act
of creation - of Elves, Men, Dwarves - is a new theme in a divine
symphony. Evil is introduced into the world as a discordant theme that
disrupts the harmony. Musically, perhaps the whole project wasn't such
a bad idea, after all. I began to realise that you couldn't actually
tell this story without music. 
>   "But what would the music be? It was going to have to be something
quite unusual. We certainly weren't going to manage it within the
bounds of a conventional `musical' – it couldn't sound like any
Broadway or West End show any of us had ever seen before – and I was
grateful to realise that that's not what Kevin Wallace ever had in mind. 
>   "We talked it over and came to an agreement on where to start.
Evil - the dark stuff - seemed for us the key to the music of
Middle-earth. How do you express this darkness musically? What we
wanted most of all was to avoid the obvious - the clichéd stings and
chills of horror films. We didn't want something `scary', but
something brooding and visceral - something more Brothers Grimm than
Hollywood. 
>   "The breakthrough for us came in a stage production called The
Black Rider, by Tom Waits. The interesting title is pure coincidence -
believe it or not it has nothing to do with the Black Riders of The
Lord of the Rings. Waits' song is from an opera he wrote with the
novelist William Burroughs in the early `90s. I

[arr] Re: Water Released in the USA

[ST]

Hi Karan, 
Try http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4064224

It says pre-order but they already shipped mine - should get it
tomorrow. Cant wait!!

As Gopal mentioned earlier, its also on itunes.

Cheers,
-S


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> hey sahil..
>   cn u plz tell me from wher 2 preorder water??
>   i had preordered rdb by card, n ther shud b no prob in duin the
same 4 water.
>   plz reply asap..
>   thnx..
>   -karan
> 
> ST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Yeps!!
> THose who preordered should have it shipped.
> 
> To my surprise Mychael Danna is credited frist as a composer before 
> A.R. Rahman :(
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Yeps!!
THose who preordered should have it shipped.

To my surprise Mychael Danna is credited frist as a composer before 
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Re: [arr] rahman's bangras

[ST]

I don't understand how Paghdi Sambhal and Baba tippu tippu can be
considered as of same style (within bhangras). 

I've observed that no matter the style of song or the initial
impression of the track, ARR has been able to squeeze in a good melody
or two..

-S



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> This is my opinion,
>   When rahman composes bangra it becomes average.
>   We have egs like pagdi samal in TLOB,Same style in Baba (tippu tippu),
>   nachley(combination with Daler).
>   Only exception is Daud-A complete rahman song(Listen how he used
instruments)
>   But when i heares RDB title ,i am sure that its just avg.Disappointed.
>   whats ur openion?
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[arr] Re: The Bond b/w ARR & FLUTE

[ST]

Thanks Krishna, great job!!!


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> Hi
> 
> Finally, I have uploaded 30 bits at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> password is padmashri
> 
> Hope you guys you will like it.  Rest of bits I will be uploading in
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> 
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[arr] Re: A Question?

[ST]

Don,

It may be difficult to get your hands on ALL of the songs, but try
different indian cd stores. There are plenty of online stores too, such
as..
http://www.indiaplaza.com/search/search.aspx?srchkey=Artist&srchval=A.+R.+Rahman&SUBMIT.x=7&SUBMIT.y=10&SUBMIT=Search&val=1&catalog=music&id=301

If you're wondering which albums you need, just compare your
collection to his discography:
http://members.tripod.com/gopalhome/arrdisc.html

-S

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> Where can I get all the songs composed by AR Rahman. Including all
the old Hindi Tamil song. 
> 
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[arr] Re: T-SHIRT (Please Read this ###IMPORTANT### )

[ST]

Hi Shekar 

Great ideas. I want to point out one more thing. In order to have a
useful member break-down by geographic location maybe we should create
a system where members can be grouped by cities or states. That will
not only help in nominating and electing one or two members in the
region to distribute the Tshirts, but it'll also bring us closer to
fellow ARR fans in our regions.

I have two ideas:

1. Either we have a secure online registration system, a form or
'ARRFans Whitepages', where people can browse by region. 

2. Or we can simply find a (private) online forum where we can create
multiple threads of dicussion - each thread representing a region, and
members from the region can place messages, organize meetings, elect
members to act as distributors of the region, etc.

A hybrid of the two maybe a better option.

I think with this form of decentralized control we can make the Tshirt
project and hopefully many more projects in the future a great success.

If there is enough response to this message I can happily take on the
responsibility of arranging such a system.

What do you guys think?


- S

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>   Hi All fellow mates,
>   
>In continuation to this subject let me have some
suggestion regarding this concern,
> 
>Lets initiate the project with a few number of t-shirts may be
around 200 pieces. For funding and pooling the amount, letz open an
ICICI bank savings bank account (because ICICI has indiawide branches,
so that all the Indian fans can put their money into the account).  
>Let the account be a joint account operated by 2 or 3 fans (lets
say gopal,bharat,bhaskar, assuming all r in bangalore). Account is in
the name of "ARR fans group". Letz have a poll and get the people
names and their addresses that are interested buying the shirt. Lets
give the account number to the fans. Finalise the amount and ask them
to deposit the amount in to the account. By this I think there will be
transparency in the transaction.  
> Mean while the other team takes the order for t-shirt, finalise
the design, material and all those stuffs and get the product done.
regarding dispatching the shirts, instead of having courier charges
beared by the user, letz have a common outlet like thing for one
region (eg 1 in bangalore, 1 in chennai, 1 in mumbai etc). For
identification of a genuine member shall be a unique code sent to his
personal mail ID. One team can authenticate the code to the individual
to his/her mailed, upon producing the code, the code shall be matched
with the name and or else the printout of the mail will authenticate
the genuine user.
>   This idea might be having a very complex, but the process is
divided and we can group ourselves who are in same place to work on
one task like collecting money, getting the details of buyers. Giving
printing/manufacturing orders and distributing. Working parallel makes
work done efficiently and fast. And at last let me remind you that
"THE CO-ORDINATION, FAITH AND most important is DEDICATION will be the
key to success". Fellow members from India, please put your words. And
I hope nobody makes fun on this Idea.
>   COME LET's MAKE THIS PROJECT A HUGE SUCCESS. After the success,
we'll plan and implement the idea to dispatch shirts to the members
out of India.
>
>   
>   Warm Regards.,
>   Shekar 
> 
> 
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[arr] Re: Bloody shame what happened to Bose and Meenaxi's music.......

[ST]

Ajit,

I totally agree. Its seems very difficult to figure out what the right
elements for commercial success are, expecially for a style like
ARR's. People appreciate his overall talents, but apart from a small
group of fans like us, some of these albums never received the level
of appreciation it should have.

I've concluded not to attach commercial success with the real quality
of any of his soundtrack; rely entirely on our personal judgement.
Despite a cynical attitude I'm predicting water to be very well
appreciated by the masses - atleast by the same crowd that praised
Bombay, laagan, earth, zubeidaa, etc.

-S

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>
> Just revisited these two mindblowing soundtracks from Rahman, and 
> although I enjoy them immensely and can share this enjoyment with 
> likeminded Rahman fans, it's just sad that the powerful music from 
> these two soundtracks never reached commercial success or even critical 
> acclaim, let alone the movie release for Bose!
> 
> From these two albums..the masterpieces..Yeh Rishta, Desh Ki 
> Mitti, Ghoomparani, Chinnama Chilakamma, Do Qadam, Noor Un Allah, Zikr, 
> Ekla Chalo, Rang He..wow wow wow!
> 
> The music of Mangal Pandey and Swades received more recognition, and 
> Swades, rightly so, garnered the most success commercially, and is 
> still one of my fav recent albums from Rahman.  
> 
> But, the music of Meenaxi and Bose.very special, very crafty, very 
> creative, a stroke of genius..and yet.unrecognized..
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[arr] Re: ARR RECORDINGS AT LATE NIGHT

[ST]

Hi Raam,

>From what I gather by reading ARR's interviews, there are two main
reasons for working at night - lack of distraction, and creativity
comes better in a peaceful environment. Another possible explanation
is that people have different energy levels and moods during different
parts of the day. Ofcourse, you'd ask who is high in the middle of the
night,
but after shifting their sleep schedule a person may find
himself/herself to be very productive at night. I know I am..
especially when indulged in a creative task - I tried it few years
back and it worked wonders. Though under most normal circumstances its
infeasible to turn around ones schedule. Still, some of us  may need
to (not me).

-S




--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, PB Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi we like to know unlike other MDs why the boss always records very
late in the night causing inconvenience to others (technicians,
instrumentalists & singers). Though it is comfortable for him
according to himself & his own circle of pple, definitely it will not
be comfortable for others whether it is gents or ladies as they have
to compromise it like a shift night-duty in other offices. But they
are compromising only for the skills of arr. Otherwise if it is any
other MD they would turn down the offer of recording late in the night
as disturbing their routine habits & regular time-table may not be
that easy. Why this happens and how a recording procedure begins &
ends, from composing tunes to calling the singers and the singers who
come from outside chennai, how they make it, where they stay. will
they spend a day or two for these recordings. Will there be a break
(lunch break, snacks break at night or warming up) between recordings
or at one go ? how this happens in case of other
>  MDs? please guys who all know proper informations about these, post
your knowledge and views.
>   thanx, cheers & wishes raam
> 
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[arr] Re: Injustice to Hindi Rahman fans

[ST]

You can buy Tamil CDs online.


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bhargav Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Hi
> 
> I am a dieheart fan of rahman and in this group
> for almost 2 yrs.
> 
> I am feeling injustice as i m gujarati and have
> to listen to only Hindi Pieces of our Boss
> We cant get Tamil and other versions/songs of 
> rahman...so in that way it is very much injustice
> to us
> 
> i have heard many things about Iruvar, aah, friends
> etc but dont know will i be able listen to these
> piece in my entire life or not..
> 
> Anyone has solution???
> 
> thanx
> bhargav bhatt
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[arr] Re: ARR 3D Tour

[ST]

Great news Shama!! It thrills fans outside of Georgia too. 

There are going to be multiple concerts across US/canada in Feb/march
anyone know the full list? 



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Shama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hiya guys,
> I just found out something that is definitely going to thrill ARR fans 
> in Georgia, US.(Atlanta to be precise!!) 
> Alright, according to these particular sites, the concert is to be 
> held on March 18th,2006. 
> http://www.sulekha.com/events/evtdp.aspx?cid=148510
> 
> http://www.wownow.com/Concerts/031806ARRAHMAN.htm
> 
> I hope this is precise information and that it helps all you lucky 
> fellas living there. 
> Take care,
> Cheerio for now.
>








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[arr] ARR 3D Tours in US

[ST]

Just found out tentative locations.

Atlanta
New York
Los Angeles
Washington DC
Houston
Orlando/Tampa

Dates not finalized yet.

-S & P



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>
> Hiya guys,
> I just found out something that is definitely going to thrill ARR fans 
> in Georgia, US.(Atlanta to be precise!!) 
> Alright, according to these particular sites, the concert is to be 
> held on March 18th,2006. 
> http://www.sulekha.com/events/evtdp.aspx?cid=148510
> 
> http://www.wownow.com/Concerts/031806ARRAHMAN.htm
> 
> I hope this is precise information and that it helps all you lucky 
> fellas living there. 
> Take care,
> Cheerio for now.
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[arr] Re: [Semi-arr] Anyone wants 2 sample Värttinä music

[ST]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/artist/-/digital-music/59890/ref=j_xsp_1/104-6696241-8858365


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>
> Hi,
> Im really interested in varttina. I used to listen to their 30 sec 
> bits in a loop as I couldnt get full length versions. Pls post me the 
> songs at krishnan.raghavan @ gmail.com. alternatively, u could upload 
> them somewhere and give me a link.
> 
> thanks
> Krish
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "popeye_prakk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I am fan of ARR(so i am here) but Värttinä are 1 of my favourites
> > too.Now both of them are working on something which is close to my
> > heart (LOTR)
> > 
> > If anybody is very curious to listen or feel the music of Värttinä
> > then I can upload their free songs (these are not pirated songs, 
> they
> > are available on net for their promotion on the net).Although i hav 
> 8
> > cds of varttina only 6 songs max(im confused whether 5th or 6th is
> > available on net so both ) can be uploaded as these can be found on
> > the net at diffent places.
> > 
> > So if interested then reply to this (wher to upload) or mail me mail
> > me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]/hotmail.com 
> > 
> > Songs available on net:
> > 1)Oi Dai(their 1st song which made them hit like Roja)
> > 2)Kyla Vuotti uuta Kutta(their most loved song by finnish ppl)
> > 3)Aijjo(1st song arr heard of varttina --i read this somewhere)
> > 4)Sepan Poika
> > 5)Laiska & 6)Katariina (i dunno wat is available on net so both)
> > 
> > all the above are full songs not 30 secs samples
> > 
> > *** ** *
> > I also have recorded the streaming audio from the lotr site which u
> > may have by now.it consists of 2 parts 1st one is guaranteed by arr
> > 2nd part has vocals from varttina-lead by Mari kaasinen and 
> background
> > score i thnk co composed by arr & varttina
> > 
> -
> > 
> > After long time the lotr website has a few more things to read in
> > their diaries.ARR ARRIVAL FRM INDIA AFTER RAIDS TO LONDON IS 
> MENTIONED
> > I THNK FOR THE OCT.24TH REHEARSAL STARTING DAY.generally  the 
> reheasal
> > photographs of musical are out for media only and the publicist does
> > see to it that these photos are published.But till now no photos of
> > rehearsal.Its been a week now since they started rehearsing.
> >
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[arr] Re: Download all BGMs - Direct link

[ST]

Thanks dude, great work!!

Watch out for that sys admin if bandwidth use gets too high. 

If you need more space let me know, I can put 150megs on utexas
domain, and we can have a larger repository of these rare gems. 


-S



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>
> Dear friends,
> 
> I have tried to compile all the BGMs and Interviews and have
uploaded on my
> university account. Hopefully, the server will be able to handle the
> traffic. Unfortunately, I get only 250 MB of space. I have tried my
best to
> organize the files.
> 
> Here is the link, Enjoy !!! -
> 
>
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth754q/files/arr
> 
> Wish you all a happy Diwali and a prosperous New Year.
> 
> Sincerely,
> --
> Neil Panchal
> Department of Mechanical Engineering
> The Georgia Institute of Technology
> 
> "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
> violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to
move in
> the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein.
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Re: [arr] recalling rahman flute pieces!

[ST]

Hi Arijit,

> 12. Also in Dubai live when Sivamani and Nilkatam were playing drums
> and mridangam, naveen played a beautiful
> piecemindblowing.

I'm glad you mentioned this piece. It really is Mind blowing!! A great
fusion of pure sweet flute melody and rhythmic beats; it should have
been converted into a full-length instrumental. 

I might convert it to mp3 one of these days and post it..

-S



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> I like the following:
> 
> 1. Tufan sa raat (Takshak)
> 2. Thee the /dil hay sanam dil (chor chor)
> 3. Anjali Anjali
> 4. One song from Muthu--Rahman and Naveen Jugalbandi
> 5. hay rama
> 6. Ghum parani masi pisi (BOSE)
> 7. radha kay se na jale
> 8. Kandukundein
> 9. Koi yahan bhanumati (Priyanka)
> 10. Thoda thoda (Priyanka)
> 11. Gurus of peace (here Navven did a beautiful starting at the Dubai
> live not present in album)
> 12. Also in Dubai live when Sivamani and Nilkatam were playing drums
> and mridangam, naveen played a beautiful
> piecemindblowing.
> 
> Arijit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17/10/05, bincemon geo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hai the song is from the film one two ka four sung by lata.
> >
> > shean speering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > there's 1 more piece. i forgot the name of movie. the songs starts
like
> > Khamoshian gun gun
> > i think it's sung by Lata Mangeshkar o Asha Bhosle.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > jaison jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i luv his flute tune in radha kaise 4rm lagaan...and ottakara
> > marimuthu  4rm indra.. these 2 r my favorite.
> >
> > || V i s h w e s h || <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > That's my favorite song too...but i like the telugu version of
it...in SPB's
> > voice...
> >
> > & what about the flute in Ennavale...the 2nd interlude...its
something like
> > a rollor coaster ride...rapid up-downs...just amazing !!
> >
> > -Vish.
> >
> > anuja goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi!
> > How about kannaku mai azhagu flute piece in which the
> > flute merges with the human voice in the interlude?
> > its amazing!!:) and my favourite!
> > anuja!
> >
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[arr] Re: Please Help(Survey)

[ST]

> 1) What makes A R Rahman's Music different from
> others. It would be better if you could tell me in
> terms of the instruments he uses etc.
> 

I don't think his choice of instruments is what "really" sets him
apart – although it is crucial, instrumentation is only one component
of a good soundtrack. We all know he is a technophile when it comes to
musical production, and probably adds more synthesized sounds in his
tracks than any other composer in India. Rahman and his troupe have
mastered this technology superbly. Yet I don't think his success can
be attributed to his sound engineering skills. He would have been just
as successful in the time of - now revered - musical masterminds,
Mozart, Beethoven, etc. - in a pre-technological age where choice of
musical instruments was also quite narrow.

What does make his music different, to me, is the nature and style of
his melodies.
Conventional music composers had mastered a set of techniques to
convey a small set of emotional boundaries with little variance. Think
of it as mapping a continuous space, the universe of emotional
conveyance U, into discreet valued subsets S, where S << U. Clearly
there was much room to expand, and no doubt other people were trying
to do so – this is what the society considers true artists; those that
bring novelty into their productions.

The only problem is (by some measure) human beings are not very
creative thinkers – we feed off ideas of others, and we make progress
one stepping stone at a time. One of the clearest indications of this
premise is the way research community works – each person's
contributes a fairly small set of - typically subtle - ideas that in
retrospect are a simple and obvious extension to previous work, but
may have gone through a long ride to get there. We can extend the same
general argument to the field of music. Genres have formed because
people repeatedly conceived similar style of musical compositions. We
keep complaining about lifted tunes by copy-cat musical "wannabes".
And how often have we listened to a catchy pop-style tune that fades
away swiftly.

The point of this little digression is that Rahman has demonstrated a
clearly superior creative ability in music and through this he has
been able to step outside the narrow discretized range of ideas of in
his field, and prove that indeed the established set of emotional
properties were not discreet subsets, but a wide spectrum of
experiences. He can create an ambience that runs across portions of
this spectrum. His every track (almost) is as unique and creative as
the first – we know he has the ability to roam farther in the universe
of all possible emotions that can be conveyed than just about anyone
else in the business. And because the explored states are much smaller
than its universe (S << U), there is plenty of room for further
exploration. 

Put simply, he has the unique ability to convey "unexplored" and of
course divine emotions through his melodies – that is what sets him apart.

As for a more complete argument, we'll have wait for neurological
studies that identify how we react to different properties of sound.
(It's not going to happen in our lifetime) 



> 2) (This is like the more impotant one).Why do you
> think It is only A R Rahman tha has been so succesful
> internationaly while his indian counterparts have been
> trying to capture Indian Markets.
> 

Much of the previous answer can easily be substituted here. I'll just
add few more comments. 

Music is a purely emotional experience – regardless of the
demographics of the audience, the genre, or the language. While people
from a given culture may have been attuned to particular styles of
music, what the melodies and rhythm try to convey can be experienced
regardless of the cultural boundary, and certainly appreciated when an
inconceivably unique tune falls upon the ears. It's true! Even we
Indian fans hear portions time to time, despite listening to him all
these years, which we simply could not have imagined had it not been
for ARR's genius.

Now, since ARR has far greater musical creativity and an ability to
churn out complex, unheard of, and yet emotion-arousing notes, it is
no surprise that he has maintained a strong hold on the Indian market
(we'll among his original fans at least) while venturing out
internationally. Put bluntly, his Indian counterparts don't have as
much inherent musical talent. His (super) success internationally will
not come because there is any shortage of musical composers in the
international arena, but because there is a clear void in the market
for a talent as fluent and expressive through the language of music as
of Rahman. 

I don't think personality factor plays as much role here because his
work is behind the curtains showbiz. Though, from what we hear, his
humble and warm nature, and a pure heart, must have inevitable played
a role in him being accepted into the international circle of
prominent musical artistes.




> 3) What is the Profi

[arr] Re: Gift to ARR

[ST]

Fantastic job!! Thanks everyone involved, you make us die hard fans
very proud.

P.S. Is there a larger resolution image available? It would make a
great wallpaper.





--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> The group gifted a montage to ARR which recreated his face with
inlay card images of every
> single one of his 94 Original/Remade/Reused and Non-film releases
with the following text:
> 
> Aankhon Ki Pyaas Hai, Is Dil Ki Aas Hai, Inki Talaash Hai
> ONLY YOU
> From Roja to Ah Aah and Beyond
> Forever with you
> arrahmanfans
> 
> 
> The fantastic work was was designed by Vinit of our group.
> 
> ARR with the Montage
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/50654741/
> 
> The original montage image
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/50655859/
> 
> A big round of applause for Vinit for the fantastic work please...
> 
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Re: [arr] A R R in top composers list

[ST]

That makes more sense!
Rahman's talents are far superior to Elfman's or Zimmer's. But it only
becomes clear when you listen to enough of their work.



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Ramesh R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify that the list wasnt based on his own
> choices. It was ranked based on popularity of searches
> in IMDB.
> 
> He put out such a list the first time where the
> methodology was explained-
>
http://moviescore.blogspot.com/2005/09/elfman-hottest-composer-according-to.html
> 
> In fact he's surprised to see ARR's name at #13
> (rising from #33 last time). 
>
http://moviescore.blogspot.com/2005/10/elfman-still-number-one-composer.html
> 
> Possibly more people are searching IMDB for ARR's
> profile because of the upcoming LOTR musical, and
> Water film.
> 
> --- avyayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Check this out!
> > Mikael Carlsson, a Swedish film music journalist
> > ranks ARR quite high 
> > in his music composers list. He's the only Asian in
> > the list as far as 
> > I can see.
> > 
> > 1 (1). Danny Elfman
> > 2 (3). Hans Zimmer
> > 3 (2). John Williams
> > 4 (4). Ennio Morricone
> > 5 (5). James Horner
> > 6 (8). Howard Shore
> > 7 (7). Thomas Newman
> > 8 (11). Randy Newman
> > 9 (9). Harry Gregson-Williams
> > 10 (12). James Newton Howard
> > 11 (14). Vangelis
> > 12 (35). Alan Menken
> > 13 (33). A.R. Rahman
> 
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Re: [arr] WOW - Mayilirake Remix!! reZpect!!

[ST]

Totally agree Kiran. 
He's basically ruined ARR's gems.

-S




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> Hi,
> 
> I dont know why these people waste time by doing this kind of
nonsensical stuff.
> 
> I felt so sick hearing the remix. Its utter chaos right from the start.
> 
> Mr DJ, Do some meaningful stuff which pleases and try to be original
rather than killing
> someelse's stuff
> 
> Regards
> 
> kiran
> 
> PS: RESPECT not reZpect!!
> 
> 
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[arr] Re: Swades BGM (NO DIALOGUES AT ALL) download

[ST]

Hi AJ, 
Thanks a lot, I was looking for swades bgms especially the Theme
track. These are great quality!!

Which software did you use? 

-S



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> My dear AR Rahman Fans!
> 
> I don't post many topics but I do read everyday every single post of
you guys.
> Today I would like to give something which I have found out recently.
> 
> As someone in this group has asked for the background music from
"Swades", I already have uploaded the first part of the BGM on Rapidshare.
> 
> The surprise you'll find out is, that the BGM has no dialogues!! No,
I haven't cut any special part of the movie where no dialogues are
spoken. These tracks which I have uploaded are originally in the movie
with dialogues (you will probably hear some background noises).
> I can't explain it really but I am quite sure it has do to do
somethinh with the 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound of the DVD. I recorded the
pieces from a DVD-Software.
> Has someone in this group experienced the same? 
> 
> Yours
> Ahjosh Elavumkal
> 
> P.S.: the link: http://rapidshare.de/files/5681158/Swades_BGM_1.zip.html
> I will upload the other parts in these days...








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Re: [arr] WOHE - BGM

[ST]

>> why was it not in the CD, was it coz of its close to 1 minute
duration or of something else?
My best guess is that it would have been a late improvisation. None of
the other tracks would fit the situation.  I agree, its too good to
leave off the soundtrack - it could have blossomed into a great song. 

ARR's talent is far greater than the directors who use his work. I
felt that atleast for the first half of the movie the bgm was 
mismatched and poorely used - even thought the soundtrack is amazing -
 it just wansn't used to its potential. I guess thats a common problem
these days.




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from WOHE and why was it not in the CD, was it coz of its close to 1
minute duration or of something else? coz its just a very fantastic
track  how he mixes and creats to make variety music  not at
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> 
> enjoy :)
> 
> http://web.music.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=201269






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[arr] WOHE BGM download

[ST]

This one wasn't included in the original cd

enjoy :)

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[arr] Re: My London flights continue to be interesting

[ST]

Hi Vijay,

Its great to hear that prominent artistes are receptive to group's
suggestions and views. As Rawat had suggested a week ago, how about we
invite these industry personalities for a moderated online chat?
>From singers, mv directors, instrument players to the great man
himself.. any personality who is related to the composition of ARR's
works. 


-S

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enrich his nature, but the urge to understand, the intellectual work,
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> Hey folks, finally took the flight to london after the rains in
bombay and was pleasantly surprised to see the entire jingbang of
artistes on the flight...spoke to hariharan who was definitely
intersted in knowing how our group can help him spoke a lot to
kailash kher who was very simple and excited about his first overseas
concert with a r r.hes releasing his new album next month for
which his manager watned to know how we can help i think this
group has the potential now to go beyond posting mundane
messages...can we think of something on the lines of abusiness
modelkarthik i think this can tie up wtih ur message on the
downloadin g debate toocan we have a model on the lines of itunes
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>  
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[arr] Re: Need Warriors of Heaven and Earth mp3

[ST]

Buy it from Amazon.com, or if you prefer $.99 per track, you can get
it from most music services, Napster, Itunes, MSN music etc.

This group does not support pirated distribution.


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> 
> Can someone send me live links of ARR's W arriors of Heaven and Earth 
> mp3 please.
> 
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[arr] Re: sick of "the music could have been better"

[ST]

> I think most of the members of this group feel intimidated
> by AM, NS ... I don't.

Not quite intimidated, more like disgused. AMs copycat n lackluster
talent are a joke. NS have one style. I guess their types of tunes is
personal preference. AM, NS are no comparison for ARR. If must
compare, use MDs of commensurate skill.. Nusrat F A K, naushad, etc etc.

> Why talk just about chor chor which was still a good album 
> and is known to people?

i used taal/chor chor to convey the point tht ARR cant pelase
everyone. Because songs of taal/chor chor are so different, some of
those that adored chor chor felt taal fading away quickly. Sure we can
focus on its success too.. just answering your question "which crowd
was displeased with taal"

I think we've explored this thread to a reasonable depth, dont you?

Lets enjoy what he has given us thus far, and hope for the next (your
preference)++ but my feeling is that its going to be ARR++

-S



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/24/05 10:18 PM India Time, _ST_ wrote:
> 
> > Rawat, why are you assuming that it was the first time I heard it?
> > I've been hearing most of mughal-e-azam songs since I was little. 
> 
> Oh. I have made a mistake. apologies.
> 
> > For
> > a long time I hadn't heard them, any chance I get ARR's numbers seemed
> > more appropriate. So yesterday I downloaded them to revisit those
> > songs, and even yesterday my view didnt come about on one or two
> > listens. Plus, i never said naushad was disappointing, or that the
> > songs are bad! I feel those type of composition wont last in today's
> > mass market if released today.. 
> 
> Not the "same" compositions.
> 
> Naushad had released Tajmahal a few months back (Do people 
> know that Naushad is 85, and composing), and he had given 
> modern tunes in that album. That is not a copy of MEA. That 
> has latest technology.
> 
> > that doesnt mean they are
> > disappointing! Precisely the case with ARR's work (but the reason for
> > mass market's displeasure wuld be different).
> > 
> > Exactly my point! Then why complain that ARR songs are disappointing
> > because they lack periodness?? 
> 
> "period"-ness is what will earn respect for ARR.
> 
> This discussion started with arr saying no to further 
> period-movies. I was trying to look into what, if anything, 
> went wrong with his earlier "period" music. If something 
> comes out and ARR gets an insight, he will continue doing 
> further "period" and fans are in for treats after treats.
> 
> I feel 1947earth to be the best album of ARR. How sad it 
> will be if ARR decided not to create such albums in future.
> 
> > It is plainly what ppl see on the
> > surface that decides the fate of ARR numbers. It is people's inference
> > that is misguided.
> 
> Such type of your comment will alienate people. These will 
> hurt them and will, in turn, hurt ARR.
> 
> > When you consider movies and soundtracks that are appreciated and
> > rated high by some of these reviewers, it becomes clear how valuable
> > their opinon really is (to me/arr fans). You'r right they need to make
> > a living.. so generally they need to appeal to majority of their
> > readers.. and that does not do justice to ARR's work.
> 
> When ARR's work will be liked by majority, these critics 
> will be forced to write good things. It is all in a loop.
> 
> > Taal flopped in south. 
> 
> Taal was declared as a one-cassette-per-minute sold album. 
> Thus, if it was a hit at most of the places, maybe, we can 
> concentrate on those places first.
> 
> > Im sure there were small percentage of people
> > in north aswell who didnt appreciate it as much as some of his older
> > works like Chor Chor, Dil hai Sanam. 
> 
> Chor Chor was just a dubbed album, and its film was never 
> dubbed/ released. The audio company tried to encash on ARR 
> magic. Thus, the album didn't become a hit in hindi without 
> the accompanying visuals and publicity that a film generates.
> 
> Why talk just about chor chor which was still a good album 
> and is known to people?
> 
> There was one muthu maharaja in hindi, which never reached 
> Indore, and it is a big city.
> 
> Those were marketing mismanagements.
> 
> > If he releases most albums like
> > Taal, surely would be a huge market that would demand a change!
> 
> Rest asuured ARR will never release a repeat album. He will 
> give tall++, and people will crave for more.
> 
> > That precisely is one of the biggest problems with other MDs today.
> > Not comparing the talent of articulating various emotions through
> > musical compositinon (because arr should only be compared with other
> > world musical geniuses), they have one style of creative composition
> > and thats all they have! 
> 
> Let us analyze and learn from that "one style" of these 
> indian mds, and give feedback to ARR to use the strategies 
> of these MDs.
> 
> Anu Malik's Asoka got condemned because its music did not 
> ahve the period feel

[arr] SICK OF THE """ Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ f

[ST]

It is not a fight, it is an open discussion between Rawat and myself,
both of which are great ARR fans.. and certainly more mature than
arguing one point or the other without any base, purely on intuition.

Tell me, when did I compare ARR to God? If you read some of my
previous mails you'll see I have been telling people to refrain from
calling him "God". It is a fact that he has God-given heavenly talent,
and as you said he is a very gifted human.

No one is forcing anyone to read mails that are longer than what
they'd like :)



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Jagdeep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dear  "ST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>  plese dont needlessly carry a topic beyond elastic limits ( u said
"...try to keep it short...")...it disgusts.and moreso
...please indulge in somethign more mature and fruitful  for ur time
rather than fighting ur mind off for something that has no absolutes
,thru endlessly long mails...
>  
> and please ARr is no Godhe just another giftted human ( who has
his misgivings too...does falter and does fail  rediculously bad
sometimes..but its all in the game ( smile) .fans love him for
his honesty to accept his failures and to move on .)  who is
doing his duty ( as all should do ) of spreading peace and harmony
thru music( smile) .
>  
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>  
>  
> "ST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ 
> for fans)
> 
> I'll try to make this short, but lets see how it goes..
> 
> When I said you picked zubeidaa songs to make your point I agreed that
> zubeidaa songs cont carry hard traits of the time ans can be replaced
> into others.
> Whereas laagaan, bose, rising are more irreplaceable. Partly because
> of the lyrics and accounts of history ingrained into the song, but
> partly also because of its sounds.
> 
> > Aren't other replacement possible from pukar to 1947 earth, zubaida,
> lagaan
> 
> Yes some will be possible, many not possible.
> Waltz of romance.. possible in other situations demanding waltz in an
> british presence, but clearly not otherwise.. so couldnt have been
> placed even in bose, or 1947 unless the director made changes to his
> view. And that is an unfair comparison.
> 
> Chale chalo. sure could have replaced kadam karam badhae ja. Whereas
> the contrary is not a good choice because kadam kadam was a unique
> theme of Subhash's army. Still does that mean chale chalo is not
> unique to lagaan. It conveys every possible concept it needs to. The
> anger toward british rule, persevierence to beat the opponent,
> confronting in together in a team etc etc. It just so happens that
> Bose and lagaan had situations very similar and the song could be
> replaced. But that wont go into pukaar or swades.
> 
> Oo palanhare and ek tuu hii bharosaa, sure. Context is pretty much
..
> whatever!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[arr] Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ for fans)

[ST]

> What you said above is EXACTLY, VERBATIM, DITTO, the same as
> what was said about those persons who felt disappointed with
> Rising and Aa Aah in first hearings.

Rawat, why are you assuming that it was the first time I heard it?
I've been hearing most of mughal-e-azam songs since I was little. For
a long time I hadn't heard them, any chance I get ARR's numbers seemed
more appropriate. So yesterday I downloaded them to revisit those
songs, and even yesterday my view didnt come about on one or two
listens. Plus, i never said naushad was disappointing, or that the
songs are bad! I feel those type of composition wont last in today's
mass market if released today.. that doesnt mean they are
disappointing! Precisely the case with ARR's work (but the reason for
mass market's displeasure wuld be different).


> Lagaan music became hit just like Dil Se and Bombay and Taal
> music became hit, in spite of NOT being a period musics.

Exactly my point! Then why complain that ARR songs are disappointing
because they lack periodness?? It is plainly what ppl see on the
surface that decides the fate of ARR numbers. It is people's inference
that is misguided.

> Similarly, if Ashutosh could bring a "old" feel in Lagaan,
> or Benegal could bring an "old" feel in Zubaidaa or in Bose,
> it is their mastery. I would say that they did not get much
> help from ARR.
Laagan would not have been what it was without ARR's music and
background. ARR's contribution wasnt just in defining the situation,
but in defining emotions of the audience. I guess the best advocate of
this view would be Ashutosh or bengal, and their honest views we'll
never know..


> In your last mail, you had written "I stopped listening to
> critics long time ago". I think we should leave it upto
> that. Critics are professional and they have to earn a
> living by writing reviews. That must be affecting what they
> write.

When you consider movies and soundtracks that are appreciated and
rated high by some of these reviewers, it becomes clear how valuable
their opinon really is (to me/arr fans). You'r right they need to make
a living.. so generally they need to appeal to majority of their
readers.. and that does not do justice to ARR's work.


> His those music that were attractive on surface "too", were
> not a compromise on contents. That is what I am saying. He
> should mandatorily make his music have enough attractiveness
> of surface "too".

Agreed. His best work that is appreciated the most has a surface
factor aswell as his usual depth.


> > If he chose to adopt a style that pelases one crowd, he would
lose out
> > on another.
> Which crowd was displeased with Taal?
Taal flopped in south. Im sure there were small percentage of people
in north aswell who didnt appreciate it as much as some of his older
works like Chor Chor, Dil hai Sanam. If he releases most albums like
Taal, surely would be a huge market that would demand a change!

That precisely is one of the biggest problems with other MDs today.
Not comparing the talent of articulating various emotions through
musical compositinon (because arr should only be compared with other
world musical geniuses), they have one style of creative composition
and thats all they have! 



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/23/05 11:34 PM India Time, _ST_ wrote:
> 
> > Whereas laagaan, bose, rising are more irreplaceable. Partly
because
> > of the lyrics and accounts of history ingrained into the song, but
> > partly also because of its sounds.
> 
> let's see.
> 
> - Bose's "tanhaa raahii apanii raah chalataa jaayegaa" (with
> or without bengali prelogue) can be put in PUKAR creating a
> situation that Anil Kapoor reaffirms his own faith in his
> honesty and patriotism and sings it in jail.
> 
> > Yes some will be possible, many not possible.
> > Waltz of romance.. possible in other situations demanding waltz
in an
> > british presence, but clearly not otherwise.. so couldnt have been
> > placed even in bose, or 1947 unless the director made changes to
his
> > view. And that is an unfair comparison.
> > 
> > Chale chalo. sure could have replaced kadam karam badhae ja.
Whereas
> > the contrary is not a good choice because kadam kadam was a unique
> > theme of Subhash's army. Still does that mean chale chalo is not
> > unique to lagaan. It conveys every possible concept it needs to.
The
> > anger toward british rule, persevierence to beat the opponent,
> > confronting in together in a team etc etc. It just so happens that
> > Bose and lagaan had situations very similar and the song could be
> > replaced. But that wont go into pukaar or swades.
> 
> Sahil, when we are talking about ARR, let's not talk about
> film situations (which can be altered to suit the
> replacement of songs) nor lyrics (which can be re-written
> for new situation). We can talk only about the tune, sounds,
> feel of the song.
> 
> if lagaan's chale chalo and bose's kadam-kadam badhaye jaa
> can be e

[arr] Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ for fans)

[ST]

My last reply was in a hurry so I missed the final point:
In continuation of the discussion..

Would you blame God or those who do not explore spirituality to its
depth to understand it? 

Similarly if people cant understand ARR music to depth then do they
have the right to spill balme on ARR? Ofcourse tehy may not realise
that. It cam be accepted if it did not suit their taste, or if they
need more time to explore it. How dare they call it disappointing and
below expectation?? And the most ridiculous of all, below ARR's
standard.. like they have the right yardstick in the first place! 





--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/22/05 9:55 PM India Time, _ST_ wrote:
> 
> > Rawat, thanks for replying.. its good to have a genuine discussion.
> > 
> > You claim zubeidaa songs could have been placed into pukaar, but I
> > think that example is picked just to enforce your point.
> 
> The following is the list of zubaidaa songs. I feel that any
> of the above could have been in pukaar album instead of
> Zubaidaa. I was talking about the album and not the film,
> but let me now give the situations in pukar as well.
> 
> - dhiime.n\-dhiime.n gaa_uu.N -
>   Madhuri sings the above song in pukar in the beginning.
> 
> - duur kahii.n ik aam kii bagiyaa ... pyaaraa saa gaa.Nv
>   In jail, Anil Kapoor recalls his mother sining the above
> song to him in his childhood.
> 
> - mahakii\-mahakii hai.n raahe.n ... hai.n naa
>   let it replace "sunta hai mera khuda"
> 
> - meha.ndii hai rachanevaalii
>   Namrata shirodkar sings the above song thinking about her
> marriage with anil kapoor
> 
> - ra.ngiilii ho ... mai.n alabelii
>   madhuri sings the above song in some hotel performance
> 
> - sayyaa.N chho.Do morii bayyaa.N sayyaa.N
>   namrata sings it anywhere
> 
> - so gaye hai.n kho gaye hai.n dil ke afasaane
>   madhuri sings this song when she comes to know that Anil is
> in love with Namrata
> 
> Could you please enumerate which song(s) listed above would
> sound out of place among pukaar songs?
> 
> List of Pukar songs: (supposed be 2000 era)
> 
> - aa jaa_o kii sab mil ke ... ek tuu hii bharosaa
> - haay jaanaa.N
> - naujavaano baat maano ... he ke saraa saraa saraa
> - phir chalane vaale ... hamaraahii jab ho mastaanaa
> - qismat se tum hamako mile ho kaise chho.De.Nge
> - sunataa hai meraa Kudaa
> 
> Considering the opposite, I now concede that "haay jaanaa"
> and "sunta hai mera khuda" of Pukar can't be put in 1947
> earth, zubaida, lagaan.
> 
> - "kay sara sara" could NOT be put in lagaan, but can go
> well with zubaidaa and 1947 earth.
> 
> Aren't other replacement possible from pukar to 1947 earth,
> zubaida, lagaan
> 
> - "ek tuu hii bharosaa" replaces "palanhare" even in film.
> 
> - "kay sara sara" is sung by Manoj bajpai and Karisma on
> their first meet in the hotel.
> 
> - "hamarahi jab ho mastaanaa" replaces "hai naa" even in film.
> 
> - "qismat se tum hamako mile ho" replaces "o rii chhorii".
> 
> so on.
> 
> > Look at the wider context. yes I agree zubeidaa, with some
> > modifications, could be placed in other movies. It was a period movie,
> > but the songs had general appeal with some modern day style. 
> 
> that is the whole point. Eventually, the "modern day style"
> feel of these songs prevails over "period" feel of these
> songs. Due to this very reason, critics and listeners have
> just stopped giving any weightage to MD's claim of
> "period"-ness of songs.
> 
> > (yet it
> > was one of the greatest albums to listen to). Now try claiming the
> > same about Lagaan/zubeidaa or lagaan/pukaar, or imagine placing bose
> > or Earth 1947 songs in other non period films. It wont work. Rising
> > wont fit anywhere else, not even in other period movies.
> 
> List of 1947 Earth songs (supposed to be 1947-ish)
> 
> - banno raanii tumhe siyaanii honaa hii thaa
> - dhiimii dhiimii bhiinii bhiinii
> - iishvar allah tere jahaa.N me.n
> - raat kii daladal hai gaa.Dhii re gaa.Dhii re
> - rut aa ga_ii re rut chhaa ga_ii re
> - ye jo zi.ndagii hai
> 
> I do think that most of the above songs can be put in other
> albums, of course not in outright modern albums like duniyaa
> dilawaalon kii, etc.
> 
> in fact, I feel "ye jo zi.ndagii hai", the song that I
> consider the best single song of ARR, is having such a
> modern, even a futuristic feel to it that it was totally out
> of place among dhiimii dhiimii, raat kii daldal, ishwar
> allaah of this film.
> 
> >>When the director of Gandhi made efforts to get a steam
> >>driven engine and paid all expenses to roll it on the rails,
> >>then the sounds of that era was needed to go with that train.
> > 
> > 
> >>You can't show a steam engine of 1918 having the sounds and
> >>whistle of an electric engine.
> > 
> > 
> > I agree, but is ARR doing that? I don't see that analogy extending
> > beyond the example you have given. I dont remember if that was part of
> > any music or purely sound fx of the 

[arr] Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ for fans)

[ST]

I'll try to make this short, but lets see how it goes..

When I said you picked zubeidaa songs to make your point I agreed that
zubeidaa songs cont carry hard traits of the time ans can be replaced
into others.
Whereas laagaan, bose, rising are more irreplaceable. Partly because
of the lyrics and accounts of history ingrained into the song, but
partly also because of its sounds.

> Aren't other replacement possible from pukar to 1947 earth, zubaida,
lagaan

Yes some will be possible, many not possible.
Waltz of romance.. possible in other situations demanding waltz in an
british presence, but clearly not otherwise.. so couldnt have been
placed even in bose, or 1947 unless the director made changes to his
view. And that is an unfair comparison.

Chale chalo. sure could have replaced kadam karam badhae ja. Whereas
the contrary is not a good choice because kadam kadam was a unique
theme of Subhash's army. Still does that mean chale chalo is not
unique to lagaan. It conveys every possible concept it needs to. The
anger toward british rule, persevierence to beat the opponent,
confronting in together in a team etc etc. It just so happens that
Bose and lagaan had situations very similar and the song could be
replaced. But that wont go into pukaar or swades.

Oo palanhare and ek tuu hii bharosaa, sure. Context is pretty much the
same. I dont know how much periodness comes into play when one is
worshiping. I guess the period element in palan hare comes from the
lytics e.g "bhakti ko shakdi do". "bhagvaan yeh jeevan, tumhe na
savaro ke.." What I find amazing here is how well the melody fits
those lyrics. So indirectly it does contain period elements doesnt it.

Megha song.. no way wont replace anything!

Mahive Mahive from LOBS.. with some modification could be placed in
other period/non period situations. But not as it is, the tabla beats
in the background are too reminiscent of the olden era. Ofcourse they
probably dont resemble anythign of that time, it just creates that
feeling.

IM sure there are more examples.. just trying to make this one short.


Yesterday I downloaded mughal-e-azam songs as I hadnt heard them in a
lng time. Naushad has a great talent, ARR possibly has some
resemblance of naushad's style of composing tunes out of notes. (I
didnt say melody ). After listening to them few times I'm of the view
that, to me, Mughal-e-Azam wont last for more than couple of hearings.
It is just not attractive for this era. Should ARR compose anything of
that (even with modern day reccording technology) it wont last even as
long as what he actually releases. 
Do you tell me Mughal-e-Azam does not have traits of 1960?? ( which is
when it was released I think) I dont know 1960s music well, but that
what it appears to me as initially.

> Eventually, the "modern day style" feel of these songs prevails over
"period" feel of these songs.
to me, over the time, the songs get ingrained into the movie. When I
hear lagaan songs it will remind me of scenes from the movie, or give
me some other feel that I had attatched most to that tune, but doesnt
replace with modern day style feel.


I'll concede from your examples that many songs of these films can be
interchanged. But to me that does not put the songs out of place for
the situation demanded, or the situation it arouses through my
imagination!

> Frankly, nobody knows or cares what sounds were used in
> mughal era, but the past musicians have set a trend by using
> those heavy instruments to denote the feel of that era. Now
> people recognize those sounds to be the sounds of mughal
> era. 
Agree.

> If ARR changes those sounds to push some new sounds,
> people might not digest it, and music and film will flop.

Not. Lagaan songs did not flop. Earth 1947 did not flop (atleast among
the audience I know of)

> That is the first "misfit" aspect of the music.
How do you know the director is not to be blamed for that? Do you
really think any music director in his right mind would palce a voice
of a little kid for a 30 something old lady? Sounds like
miscommunicaiton of scenario from director to ARR.


> but he agains comes us with songs like "dhaka lagaa bukaa"
> and "shazaade nikale" which make peole remind of earlier
> days and they switch their minds off from ARR.
Agree. You're reading my mind too.



How can you say the blame is not on people??

>But when ARR could manage to win the hearts of hindi crowd
> with Rangeela, and later taal, now he has no locus standi in
> saying that he could not understand hindi listeners. 
I'm sure he understands. The differene is not in musical culture of
AR, i was talking about the audience. Sure some hit tamil film songs
have been a success in the north, and many have not! If the
demographics were the same most albums that were a hit in the south
would be a hit in the north and vice versa, but the deviation is too
large. He can give the audience another taal or dil se or rangeela.
But thats not himi, he doesnt repeat themes. He keeps exp

Re: [arr] To Rawat - here's my dissection of your dissection

[ST]

Whether a song can be put in another film is dependent on much more
than just the "period" element. Inparticular storyline, and the
director. every director is unique in his story telling style and even
songs from that era just wouldnt fit in.

The second factor is the audience. During the Mughal-e-Azam time the
audience composition was entirely different. Rising/lagaan brought out
the priod element that appeals us, rather than the demographic of 20
or so yrs ago. And even Mughal-e-Azam had traits of the time it was
composed in..

Of course, I can't prove any of this without a tape.



I havent seen most of the movies you mention.



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/22/05 12:28 PM India Time, _Vinayakam Murugan_ wrote:
> 
> > For anybody willing to understand what period films are
> > about should listen to compositions of Naushad
> > (Mughal-e-Azam) and Khayyam (umrao jaan) etc in which they
> > created the sounds of the era in film that film were based.
> > 
> > 
> > I repeat, Mughal-e-Azam songs would not have been out of place in
any of 
> > the 1960's movies.
> 
> In absense of any hard data about "period" elements put in
> Mughal-e-azam songs, let me test your hypothesis that those
> songs can be put in any film.
> 
> Mughal-e-azam was a 1960 film.
> 
> some other films of that decade are (set in then current time)
> 
> Dil Apnaa Aur Preet Paraai/ 1960
> Jis Desh Mein Ganga Behti Hai/ 1960
> Parakh/ 1960
> 
> Bhabhi Ki Chudiyan/ 1961
> Gunga Jumna/ 1961
> Hum Dono/ 1961
> Junglee/ 1961
> Sasural/ 1961
> Shama/ 1961
> 
> Aarti/ 1962
> Anpadh/ 1962
> Asli Naqli/ 1962
> Bees Saal Baad/ 1962
> Ek Musafir Ek Hasina/ 1962
> 
> to name a few. I have selected some popular names which
> people might recall.
> 
> Do you feel that if you find
> 
> a "pyaar kiyaa to Daranaa kyaa" or
> a "ai mohabbat zindaabaad" or
> a "ye dil kii lagii kam kyaa hogii" or
> a "terii mahafil me.n qismat aazamaa ke"
> 
> in the album of, say, Bees Saal Baad, among the songs
> 
> - kahii.n diip jale kahii.n dil
> - beqaraar kar ke hame.n yuu.n na jaaiye
> - zaraa nazaro.n se kah do jii
> - sapne suhane ladakpan ke
> 
> you would feel it ok without sensing any time warp?
> 
> ---
> 
> On the other hand,
> 
> - Kisna's "hum hai.n is pal yahaa.N" could have been used in
> lakeer instead of "paigaam laayaa saawan" , and vice versa.
> 
> - Taal's "kahii.n aag lage" could have been used in mangal
> pandey instead of "rasiya", and vice versa.
> 
> - pukar's "qismat se tum hamako mile ho" could have been
> used in Lagaan instead of "o rii chhorii", and vice versa.
> 
> And no one would have felt any difference. that's what I am
> saying that people not feeling the difference is what is
> causing ARR's songs not getting the weightage that music of
> a period film gets.
> 
> --
> On the similar note, there had been enough mention in this
> group itself that ARR had re-used such and such loop and
> whatever in such and such song of Mangal pandey. That itself
> tells that ARR feels he can use component of a 1999 based
> film in a 1857 based film.
> 
> That is why I am objecting to.
> 
> > I have grown up with this song. What is different in this from the
other 
> > songs in that era, tell me?
> > If you compare it with ARR's todays music, you will see the
difference 
> > and this is but to be expected. The recording techniques have
improved 
> > tremendously over the years. I am not sure whether the same 
> > primitiveness can be recreated.
> 
> People have claimed to have recreated that time and again.
> 
> As some other mail in this thread said, ARR himself had
> recreated that in kadam kadam badhaaye jaa and hum dillii
> dillii jaaye.nge.
> 
> Only that ARR putting efforts to recreate it in other songs
> is not all that visible. His interpretation of what could
> have been the sounds of some bygone era, is open to
> interpretation by listeners whether they find ARR's
> composing representing that era or not.
> 
> And it seems that most of the people have concluded that
> ARR's music is not period music, hence the letting down of
> compositions have begun which irked ARR.
> 
> > -- 
> > Warm Regards
> > ~~~
> > Vinayak
> 
> Regards.
> -- 
> Rawat







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[arr] Re: sick of "the music could have been better" (pls MUST READ for fans)

[ST]

Rawat, thanks for replying.. its good to have a genuine discussion.

You claim zubeidaa songs could have been placed into pukaar, but I
think that example is picked just to enforce your point.
Look at the wider context. yes I agree zubeidaa, with some
modifications, could be placed in other movies. It was a period movie,
but the songs had general appeal with some modern day style. (yet it
was one of the greatest albums to listen to). Now try claiming the
same about Lagaan/zubeidaa or lagaan/pukaar, or imagine placing bose
or Earth 1947 songs in other non period films. It wont work. Rising
wont fit anywhere else, not even in other period movies.

> When the director of Gandhi made efforts to get a steam
> driven engine and paid all expenses to roll it on the rails,
> then the sounds of that era was needed to go with that train.

> You can't show a steam engine of 1918 having the sounds and
> whistle of an electric engine.

I agree, but is ARR doing that? I don't see that analogy extending
beyond the example you have given. I dont remember if that was part of
any music or purely sound fx of the movie. Surely if needed ARR does
synthesize sounds of real situations. Train whistle, water dripping,
and even synth instruments that sound olden and unique. If he used
purely situational instruments, singers with voices of that era, type
of tunes of that era, sounds without technological cleanup, then,
despite a good tune, once agian people would claim disappointment due
to lack of innovation.. people will get bored.

I guess the argument then is whether ARR's music should be genuine of
that era or portray the ambience of that era using modern sounds.
I personally think the latter is more difficult than the former, and I
wouldn't mind either. So, certainly I am not going to call it any
bit
of disappointment because ARR chooses a more innovative option.

Umrao Jaan  was great, but not innovative. (my personal opinion, no
fights please)

> And, five minutes later comes the sounds of dhoomparani
> which is also a lorii lullaby song like the above one. A
> brilliant, lovely song, but it was a 2005 sound, not 1941's.

When I hear ghoomparani I think of an era in the past, with an
innocent girl of the past singing that song. Again, this one portray
itself as being genuinely of the past, yet it suits the purpose.. and
I doubt any song created with an effort to be genuinely of the past
would suit more appropriately.. I doubt it would hold our attention
for years to come?

> However, ARR's most of the period albums fail on this count.
> They did not have the feel of "older" times.

They did. Just a different kind of feeling. One that is more subtle,
one that builds an ambience of the situation. E.g. from zubeidaa..
"mein gumsum jo gaati javu piya, piya piya (then flute..)" There is
some form of ARR magic in it because I can not explain it rationally.
It is a Godly talent to articulate complex emotions. That line I just
mentioned - it has a unique feel that fits so well in that movie. It
portrays the level of innocence and delicacy in the girl that we could
not expect today's women to carry (lol..) Followed by the flute tune
which also somehow just doesn't fit a modern day scenario. 

ARR's music is a lot more intricate than work of most other Artists. I
sincerely dont believe majority of the public, including the critics
understand that. 

 

> Just six years ago, people loved ARR's Taal and Dil Se like
> no other album was loved ever before.
> Just four years ago, people loved ARR's Lagaan and showered
> him with praises and awards.

Yes, people loved Roja, Rangeela, Taal, Dil se, Lagaan.
At the same time, the same people also didnt love as much many other
great pieces of work of ARR. Sapnay, Vishwa Vidhata, and recently even
Swades.

So, we agree on this much.

> I mean: People are always ready to like ARR's music.
> That means: people could understand ARR's music then.

> So, how come the same people are not giving much weight age
> to ARR's recent releases? Is there a sudden conspiracy
> against ARR.

This is where we go different directions..
Let me pose this question. Why is it that many albums which are mega
hits in the South fail in the North, and vice versa?

It is not simply the matter of new lyrics in a different language. It
is a matter of different types of crowd.. difference in musical
culture. 

What I'm trying to get at is that there are different interpretations
of musical art. Like with branches of science, there is an inherent
ability in a person to think creatively and come up with new concepts,
that is the ability of a good music composer. (while science reasons
logically, music reasons artistically.. logical rational in science is
replaced with our brain's ability to infer notes in an emotional way).
Like with science, different people have different abilities to infer
these concepts (musical notes). That clearly does not mean that
majority is right. Actually, if anything science has taught us it is
that

[arr] Re: Reasons behind the rising downfall

[ST]

I disagree. The singers have done a wonderful job in Rising. Vocal
chords are on the spot, crisp and right on the notes - ARR classical
tunes are not easy to get on the spot even by some of the most
talented singers in the profession.

Rising's brilliance is credited not just to ARR but also to the
singers and ofcourse superb lyrics.

On your second point, I found that initially reused tunes halted
expectation - the anticipation factor.. but over many listens I feel
that reused tunes have become well ingrained into the song and soon
and I associate them as much with this song as with one in the past.

I dont think many people on this forums found rising to be 
disappointing. It might appear so because the topic got reiterated..
notice thought that most people discussing the topic were defending
Rising.

I agree with the remedies though. Listen loud and keep listening with
an open heart.

"Don't listen to ciritcs, listen to ARR. Afterall, who are we to
criticize the God given heavenly talent.. "




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> The verdict is clear, Most of us liked the Rising, many of us 
> didn't . What was supposed to be ARR's most awaited album of the 
> year  turned out to come in mixed colors. The following points that 
> really went away from the favor of the rising are:
> (1)   No singer, mind you none turned up to his best in the entire 
> album. With Kailash Kher as the main playback singer  sung like a 
> frightened Sanskrit teacher  chanting couplets  of Kabir Das (no pun 
> intended). And the rest of the singers sounded as usual.
> (2)   Reusing of tunes has marred the album considerably. As soon 
> as the Takey Takey song begins you expect Hans Raj Hans to come in 
> and sing in his inimitable voice, but on the contrary you hear a 
> voice that sounds an exacts replica of Hans. And the effect is 
> everlasting; we are tend to break the music system in two pieces. In 
> the end you heave a sigh of relief that saiyaan was a substandard 
> song. 
> The possible remedy to these problems might be:
> (1)   Listen in sony hi fi or any such other music system that 
> compresses the voice, and you are left only with the music and trust 
> me it's a wonderful experience. 
> (2)   Or just keep on listening to the tracks unless the singer's 
> voice grows on you, I am sure that it will.






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[arr] Re: ah aah.. BIG Disappointment

[ST]

Sorry to hear you feel that way. Its your loss not ours :)

Aha is absolutely fantastic even in poor quality live streaming.

Totally orthogonal theme to Rising; can't compare apples with oranges!

Rising, Ah Aah - what a wonderful gift!

-S



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> hi ,
> 
> After a big expectation.. it was totally BIG disappointment after 
> hearing the songs of Ah Aah. I dont feel like hearing again also. There 
> is nothing much or nothing new. I think ARR is being half half and not 
> doing quiet well on these days. Either should give a good music or 
> shoud not give .. I have never given up ARR so far.. but this time.. is 
> not upto any expectation.. 
> 
> Album Rating **
> 
> c ya






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[arr] Re: I am sick of "the music could have been better" comments

[ST]

Rawat,

If anyone knows slightest bit of history about Mangal Pandey he would
know the situation and plot to be expected. Okay, so by listening to
Rising you can't validate whether it is entirely appropriate. Then you
might want to revisit Bose, bhagat singh, laagan etc. 

He doesnt have to use instruments of that era to create the "mood"
demanded by the situation. Surely no MD in his right mind today would
go back and use technology of 1857 to come up with a score for the movie!!

Quite contrary to that ARR used more hi-tech effects in Rising. And it
is because of his genius that he can do that and still bring about the
emotions demanded by the director. It could consider multitude of
factors such as culture, locality, era, and most importantly the
placement of the song in the storyline. 

I stopped listening to critics long time ago - I listen to ARR.

If people can not admit the brilliance of Rahman, it is only because
they can not understand it!

Either way, its their loss, not ours :)

-S



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/20/05 7:37 PM India Time, _Ajit_ wrote:
> 
> > Here's my two cents for today.
> > 
> > What do people expect from Rahman?  To save the earth?  Re-align the 
> > planets?  End hunger?  Each and every time that Rahman comes out with 
> > a brilliant masterpiece, I hear comments like "not up to Rahman's 
> > standards" or "Rahman not at his best" or "Rahman could have done 
> > better".  How lame and stupid.  Our boss is a genius with respect to 
> > his versatility and range of compositions, depth of arrangemens and 
> > melody, rich use of sound, and very importantly, fitting the music 
> > well to the situations of the movie which demand these types of 
> > songs.  The songs of the Rising are appropriate for the type of movie 
> > and situations in the movie.  
> 
> The question is: How do you know whether "they are 
> appropriate for the type of movie and situations" or not?
> 
> Have you seen Mangal Pandey?
> 
> Do you have some inside information about the movie?
> 
> If not, then you are talking about faith.
> 
> > Could any other MD have done a better 
> > job?  
> 
> are you approving of "andho.n me.n kaanaa raajaa" theory?
> 
> Are you saying that Rahman is least bad among all MD?
> 
> > Think hard about that.  With Mangal Pandey, what are these 
> > critics expecting?  A modern day Chaiya Chaiya?  Love songs from 
> > Taal?  When people write reviews, don't they even consider the type 
> > of film, period, and story of the film when reviewing the music?
> 
> I think it is Rahman's doing if people do not consider above 
> factors.
> 
> A period movie should have music which creates the 
> environment of that period. That means that the songs should 
> use only those instrumnents which were available in that 
> era, and should have lyrics having words/ language used in 
> that era.
> 
> ARR's earlier period movies all had non-period music. He 
> always used latest instruments and never was particular 
> about lyrics. Kisna was 1947-ish, but hum hain is pal yahaan 
> had nothing 1947-ish feel. it could have been as well a song 
> set in 2006.
> 
> Even in Rising, the tunes are totally different from most of 
> earlier works, thus some semblance of "period" has come to 
> it. But did he use only 1857's instruments in it, did he got 
> the lyrics written with 1857's language?
> 
> If no, then why accuse criticis/ fans when they discount the 
> "period-ness" of ARR's music.
> 
> > 
> > I feel that the music will be vastly more appreciated once the film 
> > releases, but nothing excuses such lame and overdone comments as the 
> > ones above.  I am tired of it.  
> 
> ise chaahiye hamdard kaa sinkaaraa.
> 
> > Give Rahman the credit he deserves.  
> > HE works hard.  His craftmanship is mindblowing.  His melodies are 
> > haunting.  His knowledge of Indian classical music is astounding.
> > 
> > Is he beyond criticism?  Of course not.  I have no problems with 
> > people criticizing his songs based on valid reasons.  But, such 
> > comments above are simply ridiculous and untrue. 
> 
> Whatever reasons anyone can give, will be valid only for the 
> poster.
> 
> -- 
> Rawat






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[arr] Where to get A Aha from?

[ST]

C'on ppl pleeease someone tell me where can I buy it from in the US? 

Indiaplaza/nehaflix doesnt have it!






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[arr] Rising does justice to late Mangal

[ST]

Someone asked here why he does more period films instead of
commercial.. I will tell you why.

Rising is ARR at his best! Well, it is difficult to decide what is
ARR's best, the list is long..

Not surprisingly, rising is more classical and folk, but with a twist.
He has used synthesized sounds and tech effects stunningly! Some
reused beats, but that is insignificant in front of the overall genius
of the work.

First of all, I have to acknowledge Javed Akhtar's brilliant work
without which the tracks probably wouldnt be the same.
Vocal control is pretty much airtight on the spot.. especially for the
'sur' demanded by ARR. Kailash Kher takes the cake! 

Technically, Rising is brilliant. Innovation wise it keeps one hooked
to the new sounds and classical tunes - and yet again very very
addictive. (i need to sleep.. almost time to wake up)


Of all tracks, Mangal Atma is the most emotional piece. As the song
progresses ones heart can't help but visualise Mangal's last moments.
Silence is a very powerful technique when used well. ARR bring out his
talent to do justice to what is to be the most heart wrenching scene
in the movie. From the grief of the dawn when he is to be hanged, and
the courage one garners just before he is, to the moments when one
can't get hold of what just happened. It is orchastrated brilliantly
to follow the audience's emotions with the storyline.. as only ARR can.


Someone asked here why he does more period films instead of commercial. 
Answer: He does so because no one else can do justice to the heroes of
our motherland.


I cant wait to see the movie!!



A note: this is a headphone album, average speakers just wont do justice. 

-S








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[arr] Re: Ah Aah Released!!

[ST]

>From which website can I buy A Aah in the US?


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> 
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[arr] Re: Rising very disappointing

[ST]

We should not be disappointed with ARR choosing to do a particular
style of movies. I believe his best work comes out when he composes
for a purpose he respects and enjoys working for. Whether he does
period movies, commercial film, broadway musical, or personal album,
all that matters to me is the talent that goes into each work. 

In the past he period movies has brought out some fantastic tunes. I'd
be wary of jurging his compositions too early; it often takes a while
to understand. 

As for the rating, let us decide for outselves where Rising falls in
the ARR spectrum of work.




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> i am a damn fan of rahman n live in dubai. I got the copy of rising 
> but it was very very disappointing n except for one track.
> i shld recommend rahman to stop doing period movies n go for more 
> commercial movies with shankar,maniratnam,subhash ghai etc. now i got 
> y producer bobby bedi gave his latest project to some other music 
> director due to the drawback of rising.
> i guarantee that rising music will be a flop.
> 
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[arr] Re: If Mozart were alive . . .

[ST]

Hey Guys,

I don't interpret it as a mere comparison; its an analogy.. times are
different. Mozart was the best of his time and ARR is the best of
ours. Media has popularized a phrase for describing ARR - "Mozart of
the West". Does that not offend Mozart fans? I'm sure it does a
little. Despite that it gained popularity in the media because it is
difficult to convey the greatness of ARR without comparing it to
something the audience is familiar with. 
 
I think this statement serves the same purpose. 

-S

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Guruprasad S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yaa I too feel the same... we should not hurt others or compare
Rahman's 
> greatness with others
> Mozart was great in some ways and so is Rahman... comparing them is
not the 
> right way of proving the maestro in Rahman.
> I am very sure if ARR sees this quote he will never agree to it.
> So kindly think about such quotes...
> 
> Regards,
> Guru
> 
> On 24/06/05, up84mouli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Dear fans,
> > 
> > Am I the only one who thinks calling Mozart himself as Rahman is
> > right?? Dont you think any Mozart fans reading this will feel that we
> > are a bunch of fanatics??? What would Rahman feel about us (this
> > group) if he comes to know
> > 
> > Okay, someday if a HJ, Yuvan, or Anu Malik fan does the same thing
> > (Call Rahman as a Anu Malik of South for example) and puts it on
> > T-Shirts, Caps and Jeans, how the hell will you react or feel about
> > it? Think twice carefully before selecting this quote...
> > 
> > IT CLEARLY DOES NOT APPEAL TO THE PERSONALITY We all love and support.
> > 
> > Above all, dont you think it is far better to relate Rahman with more
> > natural but global words?? Like say, "TsUNEAMI", "Rahman - The R of
> > Rhythms" or something more simpler but creative enough to make a
> > lasting impression on the reader's minds...
> > 
> > Do give it a thought. Sorry if I have hurt someone's feelings. This
> > was just my opinion.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > Chandra.
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "dharshi_maha"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I like this one but I think it needs to be re-phrased a bit to add a
> > > writer's touch to it.
> > >
> > > The original one
> > >
> > > "Mozart is not Alive.. Else he would be called Rahman
> > > of the West" is far better.
> > >
> > > just my view. that's all
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Re: [arr] :: Important regd T-shirts :: (Hey Folks... Read IT)

[ST]

I hate to be debating on this topic because our goal is the same. We
want to be proud supporting ARR in public via the tshirt, and ofcourse
we want publicity for ARR. He is the greatest composer of our time and
more people from around the world ought to know about his magic.

Music Composer/Singer label would do. But I don't think it will
attract any unfamiliar crowd because, although it conveys the point,
it seems mundane to me. (just my subjective opinion)

Something like "If Mozart was alive he would be called Rahman of the
West.." not only conveys the point that he is a musical composer, it
is more intriguing, especially to a non-indian. I belive something
catchy will make people want to explore and see who he is.. afterall
isnt that what we all want?

People in Auckland are more receptive to other cultures, but Americans
are not. We need to give them good enough reason to explore something
otherwise they are uncomfortable with the change. ARR himself said
somethign similar once when asked about disappointment with bombay
dreams in the US. 

Anyway, these are just my 2-cents.. Tshirt creators have the right to
choose whatever they wish after hearing our arguments.


Happy ARRing..
-S



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> hey raju,shiva n others
> 
> Like guru said ...I  also think the man ,the music
> ,the magic would explain that he is not a football
> player ..pls !! ...And guys this is a tshirt abt our
> boss ...so the search quote also does nt fit in too
> well ..my suggestion is to keep it simple ...At the
> front "the man .the music .the  magic" logo along with
> pic ..at teh back the unity of light enlarged pic and
> a signature ...lets not try n sell or give publicity
> to rahman here thru this ...I believe his music alone
> would b good enuf for that ...I know we r sitting n
> debating when we shud ve started the printing work
> ..but its worth a debate ...we cant change it once we
> r moving into it ...so think !! 
> 
> --- SHIVAKUMAR VA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> -
> HI Folks..
> 
> Just go through the mail that RAJU has writen.
> 
> CAN U UNDERSTAND NOW the reason behind keeping that
> slogan???
> 
> Just Scroll down n read it.
> 
> Thanks n Regards
> Bharath KV n Shivakumar VA 
> 
> --- "a.r.rahman. 786" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > i have like all hard work by the fans here . the
> > design look
> > impressive and good and cool and but,
> > 
> > see.. all r thinking about ppl in india only . and
> > its right, every body
> > in india knows what is A R R . 
> > but imagine one of this grp mmbr in california
> > wearing shirt . what do
> > you think will american ppl think about that ? what
> > can they say from
> > the shirt . ? is rahman footbal player ? hero ?
> > philosophic teacher ?
> > or another extrimist ?
> > they cant imagine anything from that . who will
> > understand that he is
> > a musician ? or composer ?
> > it is a mistake if we think that everybody know A R
> > R .
> > it is very important to mention about his music .
> > 
> > that is why u have mentioned some thing like
> > musician / 
> > instrumentalist / singer there .
> > 
> > now, lets think in a different direction on the
> > "search-dest" sentence .
> > 
> > dont think all the americans or foreigners very
> > easily accept a
> > un-familier islamic name . my self very well know
> > how american act to
> > muslims . what do they imagine if they see a name
> > with no connection
> > with anything ?
> > and specially with a quote like "search-dest" . 
> > 
> > went crazy and or what? search-dest is ok but u
> > cannot put on shirt ok
> > ? . the line must be telling about his music . and
> > more to that , ppl
> > very easily finds faults with such quotes . and u
> > cannot argue with
> > people .
> > 
> > forget all..
> > 
> > i am just trying to make my point very clear .
> > sounds harsh . but take
> > it in good faith . dont miss understand me .
> > 
> > raju .
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [arr] :: Important regd T-shirts ::

[ST]

Why don't we select few captions for the back of the tshirt and  set
up a poll? It can be done on this group itself or on the tshirt
website. I know it may slow down the tshirt process slightly and we
are all very eager to get it, but wouldnt it be worth the wait to get
the perfect ARR Fan Tshirt?

I looved "Mozart is not Alive.. Else he would be called Rahman
of the West".

-S



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Roshan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I quiet like the front side.  the music, the man the legend looks 
> good.
> 
> but i suggest not to repeat that message at the back 
> with "Composer/singer"   that'll make it like an advertisement of 
> publicity.. in my openion.
> 
> search is important than destination.. is defenitly a nice slogon, 
> but wouldnt it be nice if it is something related to india? (but not 
> necessary)
> 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, || V i s h w e s h || 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think mention of India is must in the phrase...coz after all he 
> himself is a great patriot...& he would love it if we put country's 
> name there...atleast thats what I think...
> >  
> > Regards,
> > -Vishwesh.
> > 
> > 
> > ST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Few suggestions that come to mind: 
> > "Musical Genius"
> > "The Genius in Music"
> > "Musical Genius of Our Time"
> > "Master of Melody"
> > "The Soul of Eternal Music"
> > "An ardent fan of the greatest musical genious of our time" 
> > "The Spirit of Melody"
> > "Listen. And you will be Addicted."
> > 
> > Or If this was to be a Nike type branding ad: 
> > "Just Listen." heh..
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > " The search is more important than the destination."
> > -A R Rahman. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -
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Re: [arr] :: Important regd T-shirts ::

[ST]

Hi Bharat,

Clearly there are two sides to the coin. I agree with both arguments -
it is necessary to convey who he is, but at the same time we dont want
to make it seem like a product label. I'm sure together this group can
come up with a slightly more catchy phrase than "Music composer /
Singer".

Few suggestions that come to mind: 
"Musical Genius"
"The Genius in Music"
"Musical Genius of Our Time"
"Master of Melody"
"The Soul of Eternal Music"
"An ardent fan of the greatest musical genious of our time" 
"The Spirit of Melody"
"Listen. And you will be Addicted."


Or If this was to be a Nike type branding ad: 
"Just Listen." heh..


-S


..or maybe someone else can come up with something better.




--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, || V i s h w e s h ||
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A suggestioninstead of writing only Music composer /
singeradd some spice to it by writing Greatest Music Composer of
India. or Music Genius of India. I think this will make those ppl
quiet curious who didn't know about A R R...
>  
> Regards,
> -Vishwesh.
>  
>  
> 
> Bharat K V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guyz & Gurlz,
> 
> Caption
> 
> I'm pretty sad to see lot of people not satisfied with the
designatleast with the caption. First lemme justify why I have put
the words Music composer / singer 
> 1. There are a lot of response from countries like UAE, Australia,
USA, Malayasia, Singapore, Srilanka, UK etc...We people in India know
in and out of Rahman. But imagine people abroad. They might be
wondering who (looking at the photo) this guy is, I mean the
foreigners.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> " The search is more important than the destination."
> -A R Rahman. 
> 
> 
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[arr] Re: ARR&MUSIC! (a possible answer to spiteful badmouthing of ARR)

[ST]

Sunil, Dasun, and other ARRies

Just by reading your response I feel that the time spent writing it
out was well worth it. It is wonderful to see that true appreciators
of ARR's talents pass-by the forums. Indeed, I also hope that one day
ARR catches up on not just this message, but many others left by true
fans, and reslises his real achievement - earning a large number of
true fans in a very precarious industry, who understand and thoroughly
appreciate the depth of his work.

I hope our group can settle on this thought and save us all time from
bickering on industry views criticizing the genius. Surely it is most
attractive to thump the infallible from a journalistic point of view,
but the audience at this group is smarter than that. 

Usually I pass by such comments but seeing an ARR fan waver between
his intuition and societal response, it had to be answered. Most of us
have  and will in the future face ridicule for remaining a devotee of
ARR, and I hope everyone who supports him despite the criticizm has a
decent back-firing shot up their sleeves. I am not disturbed if others
are a fan of SEL, Illayaraja, Stevie Wonder, Emenim, or Mozart -
people have different tastes and let them be - it is their loss for
forgoing the beauty in ARR numbers. But disrespecting ARR or a fan of
ARR only shows me their inaptitude from a musical sense.


Dasun, you asked about me.. When ARR was not discovered to me I lived
in Gujarat. By the time I realised I had found a gem I was in NZ. And
now when the glitters of this gem are thoroughly weaved into my
lifestyle, I am in the US - currently I'm a graduate student in U. of
Texas at Austin. (anyone else in austin?). Who knows where I'll be
tomorrow; but sure to say that I'll be floating in the sea of ARR
melodies.

Live on..
-S(ahil)




--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil VG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Sahil,
> 
> First of all, thanks for sending this mail. Hats off to you for
expressing 
> your thoughts so beautifully and intelligently. It was the most
moving mail 
> I have read in a long time. I hope someday ARR finds enough time to
read 
> your mail!
> 
> It is evident that you FEEL his music and not merely listen. Over
the years, 
> I feel I have grown with his music which has matured and reached a
stage 
> where one wonders, how can he ever make this any better? Before you
know it 
> he composes a Meenaxi, then a Swades and then a Bose and answers your 
> question. While we are left to absorb the subtle complexities of his 
> creations, he moves on with his quest. Here's a legend who is
perhaps the 
> most underrated ever, probably because he achieved so much at his age.
> 
> Regards,
> Sunil
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "ST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [arr] Re: ARR&MUSIC!  (a possible answer to spiteful
badmouthing 
> >of ARR)
> >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 03:45:23 -
> >
> >Fellow ARR Fans (especially taurus8_0)
> >
> >In response to your rightful concern and comments about the direction
> >of ARR music in recent times, I have few comments that you may (or may
> >not) agree with. Everyone has their own reason for remaining a true
> >fan of ARR. Here is mine.
> >
> >To me, the box office results in no way represent the quality of the
> >movie or the talent of its producers. Many fantastic peices of work
> >have bombed, and besides the odd ones like Laagan, ones that do well
> >have little more than the classic bollywood story and style to offer.
> >If it were not for ARR and very few other talented actors and
> >directors, I would not be paying attention to bollywood films or
> >music! And by same reason I do pay attention to ARR's tamil albums,
> >despite being a Northie.
> >
> >Clearly, popular music in no way exacts musical talent. The beats and
> >melody (if even) are purely icing that fade away sooner than the
> >commercials promoting them. What I find most shameful about the
> >industry is that 95% of the tunes are 1) unoriginal and repetitive of
> >their older work and/or 2) blatantly stolen under the ideal of
> >"inspired from.." and/or 3) of same or similar style with different
> >instruments, arrangement, and singers and  ( either 4. lack the the
> >notes that press the right keys to convey the right emotions OR 5.
> >posses the notes to convey an emotion, however those that have become
> >too obvious in the industry i.e. lack the range OR 6. do this job
> >well, and I respect those rare few, but lack the magical x-factor that
> >ARR has proved to be carrying since Roja )
> >
> >ARR's music, on the other hand, pro

[arr] Re: ARR&MUSIC! (a possible answer to spiteful badmouthing of ARR)

[ST]

Fellow ARR Fans (especially taurus8_0)

In response to your rightful concern and comments about the direction
of ARR music in recent times, I have few comments that you may (or may
not) agree with. Everyone has their own reason for remaining a true
fan of ARR. Here is mine.

To me, the box office results in no way represent the quality of the
movie or the talent of its producers. Many fantastic peices of work
have bombed, and besides the odd ones like Laagan, ones that do well
have little more than the classic bollywood story and style to offer.
If it were not for ARR and very few other talented actors and
directors, I would not be paying attention to bollywood films or
music! And by same reason I do pay attention to ARR's tamil albums,
despite being a Northie.

Clearly, popular music in no way exacts musical talent. The beats and
melody (if even) are purely icing that fade away sooner than the
commercials promoting them. What I find most shameful about the
industry is that 95% of the tunes are 1) unoriginal and repetitive of
their older work and/or 2) blatantly stolen under the ideal of
"inspired from.." and/or 3) of same or similar style with different
instruments, arrangement, and singers and  ( either 4. lack the the
notes that press the right keys to convey the right emotions OR 5.
posses the notes to convey an emotion, however those that have become
too obvious in the industry i.e. lack the range OR 6. do this job
well, and I respect those rare few, but lack the magical x-factor that
ARR has proved to be carrying since Roja ) 

ARR's music, on the other hand, provides purity and shows integrity.
First time I listen to any piece it is like an enigma. To an untrained
ear like mine, it is a partial blurr. As I listen to it over and over,
I uncover to more and more depth, what he is trying to convey in the
song. The instruments, musical arrangement, background track, range of
melodies, novelty of the overall work, and the special something he
always fills up in the middle of the track. The more I hear, the more
I discover what I was missing or misinterpreting when I had heard it
before. It is a well known phenomenon that some or most of ARR's songs
get better over time. And I remember reading his interview once where
he provided a possible explanation saying that because they are
generally completely new tunes and melodies that people have not
imagined before, it takes time to digest.

Now, as for the criticizm of his recent works, I say that those who
find his recent efforts repetitive and unattractive just dont
understand music to a level that is required to appreciate ARR. In his
earlier days, when he came out with Roja, Thiruta Thiruda, Rangeela,
Bombay, etc.. people cherished them because they were very differently
composed to what they had been hearing for years, and in a good way. I
doubt the entire fan base understood the elegance of his composition.
Those that did (like us ofcourse ) are still his grateful fans. We
still appreciate his talents and by no means are we blind worshipers.
Blind are those who can not see the beauty in ARR's work.

I concede that not all of his works appear attractive, original, and
of the standard he has set himself. In my experience what appears
today does not stand true for ARR's music tomorrow. And one more
thing, the same kind of songs that people pick-out to badmouth him
today were being produced in his early days also. E.g. Patti rap -
Muqabla, Jor Laaga - Chor Chor, Jo manga tha - Kabhi na Khabhi. 

But after listening to them many times over the years I have realised
even those that dont seem attractive on the surface possess ARR's raw
talent, in some form or other.

As for the recent works, do they not carry the genius of ARR? Some
examples..picking out 2-3 at random from these recent albums.

DJAK
 - Jane Bahara - Listen to it in the right mood it will arouse unique
feelings that is the mark of ARR sice Roja..also heads up to the
lyrics (at some places). Can anyone else end a song as smoothly as
this?
 - Zindagi hai dua - forget the vocals and focus on the
instrumentation.. just that use of greekish guitar with piano is the
proof of his super talent.

Lakeer 
  - Saadiya - "saadiya saadiya saadiya haai.." you dont find
originality and talent in this? the way "naino ke shishe me saya hai
kiska, luk chup ke chanda ke jaisa.. kashti yeh dil, kehti hai mil
saagar hai ishq kaa..." is sung, you dont find these lines unique,
extraordinary, and containing ARR's genius Listen to it again if
you dont. And again, until you do because trust me if you've liked
ARR's earlier works, sooner or later it will come to you.

 - shehzade - not a big fan of these lyrics and little bit bombastic,
but that seems to be the purpose of it. listen to about 1 min 30
seconds.. and pure genius at 2:53 and overall does it not put you in
different shoes? Listen to it few more times dude.

Boys
 - Listen to it from the point of view of the right audience and it is
as innovative as his or

[arr] Re: Lord of the rings

[ST]

Intro is great.. you can feel the second part of music sequence is by
Rahman, first probably by the finnish group. The producer mentions
about ARR and music collaboration in the interview section - worth a read.

Cant wait till the soundtrack comes out!

Caaant waaaitt


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