[AsburyPark] Re: Thank you Kevin, Jimmy and John
gary, did you ever read the original plan? do you remember what is was like in asbury before this team took over, apparently not...i lived here through it all, and i will say it again THANK YOU, KEVIN, JIMMY, AND JOHNgary, you have proved over and over again that you don't know your ass from your elbow... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:16 AM, justifiedright wrote: Best PR we've had in years. The Future Starts Here team will go down in Asbury Park history as the greatest leaders this City has ever had. 30 years of other City Councils left these guys with a challenge that most thought couldn't be met. They have the City soaring, turning huge names like Chetrit and Madison Marquette into believers. Tommy, I'm just curious as to what your take is on the Future Starts Here team setting up a plan that appeared heavily geared towards residential and now basically changing the plan toward one geared more towards tourism. Doesn't that kind of strike you as a bit strange? What is coming now is almost a complete reversal. While I'm strongly in favor of what we're seeing now, I have a hard time calling them great leaders when they basically came up with a plan, took several years, and then scrapped the plan for something which makes more sense for a beach town. Wouldn't a great leader set a course of action that would work from the beginning? Or do you disagree that the plan seems to have moved from residential to tourism based? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
you are a freakin broken record. blah blah blah blah blah...ive said it before and ill say it again, you are nothing but a busy body trouble maker... PU --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? Sure I'm glad somebody got out there and cleaned up and prettied up the 5th Av pavilion and opened businesses there. What's not to like? But this city isn't a little girl to be told, Don't look a gift horse in the face. This is just the time when we should be looking that horse straight in the eye. As we used to say, we've been down so long anything looks like up. But this is just the time to be most wary. Just tell me why the city is giving anything up now. We've got a signed deal - two signed deals. Why should we make a third? Isn't it allowing the Partners to square the deal with MM? If so, the City is giving the Partners the equivalent of millions to give to MM in order to buy the Partnersâ way out of their hole with the City. Well? Maureen Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Show_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web _http://www.asburyradio.com/_ (http://www.asburyradio.com/) Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Speak up - It's America!! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Neither either-or -- Nor both-and
Another example of thoughtful analysis regarding a complex issue.In response to an article about the closing of Camp La Guardia and the effects of closing that shelter, (Click here: Shelter Closes, Residents Move on and Fortunes Diverge - New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/nyregion/12camp.html ), the president of The Partnership for the Homeless wrote this letter to the editor. Not what most might expect from that organization. Homeless in New York (1 Letter) To the Editor: Re Shelter Closes, Residents Move On and Fortunes Diverge (news article, June 12): Camp La Guardia was always a sad symbol of our city's failed strategy to deal with the systemic problems of homelessness. Its closing couldn't happen soon enough. And while shelter still remains a critical safety net, it's certainly no substitute for real, long-term solutions that address root causes. So we congratulate Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg for finally shutting down this facility, which simply warehoused more than 1,000 men on any given night, seemingly punishing them for being down on their luck or for struggling with the challenges of mental health or other disabilities. But let's make certain that the closing of this shelter is truly a signal of change. For a mayor who rightly seeks to understand the metrics of his strategies to assess their efficacy, success here should be measured when we're able to show that for each shelter bed eliminated we've taken that savings and created units of low-income affordable housing. Arnold S. Cohen, President C.E.O. The Partnership for the Homeless, New York, June 14, 2007 Click here: Homeless in New York (1 Letter) - New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/opinion/l16shelter.html?n=Top%2fOpini\ on%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fLetterspagewanted=print http://www.partnershipforthehomeless.org/ http://www.partnershipforthehomeless.org/ == Not an either-or issue. Not bleeding hearts vs.cold hearted. Not about jerks vs knee-jerks. According to Cohen, solving homelessness is more about efficiency and accountability; more long-term goals rather than seven night stays; more about housing than warehousing; more like www.homelesssolutions.org http://www.homelesssolutions.org/ than === But I could be wronghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-5d5IfdYK4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-5d5IfdYK4
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
Maureen. Re: The point here is that the police are finally arresting and publishing the names of johns. This is the best tactic they could take. Every guy who thought about coming to Asbury Park to score with a prostitute is going to think twice about it. You dry up the business and the supply goes elsewhere to seek their market. It worked! 18 in one afternoon - probably the tip of the iceberg! The above is one point I don't remember anyone disagreeing with. Did I miss it? Nice work Mark Kinmon and Chris Van Buren! Ditto! (But I'm not a Ditto Head! )
[AsburyPark] Fountain in Library Square Park Vandalized AGAIN!!!
One week after the fountain in Library Square Park was vandalized, it has happened again. This morning, I found the remaining globe was found destroyed and thrown into the fountain, along with an assortment of trash. Last week, I reported this to the police, the AP Historical Society and Jim Keady. Jim Keady sent me an email about it and said he'd bring it up to the council. He also asked for my phone number stating that the city manager wanted to discuss this with me. So far i've heard nothing. Nothing from the AP Historical Society, who did not answer my 2 emails about this. I'm going to try one other thing. I'll call the parks dept and see if they've even heard about this. I'm also tired of complaining about it, so tomorrow night at 7 pm, my girlfriend and I are going to clean up the fountain ourselves, and anybody who'd like to join us is welcome. We are also going to plant some flowers. Of course, there are no cameras anywhere, so it's likely that our work will be for nothing and the fountain will be damaged and used as a trash dump again. In discussing this with my girlfriend, she was shocked that there are no cameras anyplace in the city. She's a tough chick, a state animal control officer, and she told me that she's scared to walk my dog in the park after dark...in fact she's afraid of the city in general at night...which is shocking to me considering the things she's dealt with in her life. Anyhow, think about joining us to clean up the fountain tomorrow night at 7 pm. I'm also going to contact the APP about this. Jack Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? I asked all these questions and more of Terry Reidy in a phone conversation 2 months ago. His reply - good questions Dan. That was in response to receiving some of he answers I asked for about ownership of Partners. All I got was a list of LLCs (limited Liability companies). Terry said the negotiations will not be out of the public eye. I guess that was satisfy me. I have no more patience or time for this nonsense. They are going to do what they want. Something is wrong when credit wants to be taken for every drop of rain that falls from heaven during their term but if bird shit rains down, it ain't their fault. 5-6 years and still can't balance a budget. The only reason something is happening now is because of pressure from the naysayers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fountain in Library Square Park Vandalized AGAIN!!!
Here's a link to the article from The Coaster about last weeks vandalism; http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=1454 Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One week after the fountain in Library Square Park was vandalized, it has happened again. This morning, I found the remaining globe was found destroyed and thrown into the fountain, along with an assortment of trash. Last week, I reported this to the police, the AP Historical Society and Jim Keady. Jim Keady sent me an email about it and said he'd bring it up to the council. He also asked for my phone number stating that the city manager wanted to discuss this with me. So far i've heard nothing. Nothing from the AP Historical Society, who did not answer my 2 emails about this. I'm going to try one other thing. I'll call the parks dept and see if they've even heard about this. I'm also tired of complaining about it, so tomorrow night at 7 pm, my girlfriend and I are going to clean up the fountain ourselves, and anybody who'd like to join us is welcome. We are also going to plant some flowers. Of course, there are no cameras anywhere, so it's likely that our work will be for nothing and the fountain will be damaged and used as a trash dump again. In discussing this with my girlfriend, she was shocked that there are no cameras anyplace in the city. She's a tough chick, a state animal control officer, and she told me that she's scared to walk my dog in the park after dark...in fact she's afraid of the city in general at night...which is shocking to me considering the things she's dealt with in her life. Anyhow, think about joining us to clean up the fountain tomorrow night at 7 pm. I'm also going to contact the APP about this. Jack Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bicycle Night at the Saint.
On Monday, June 18th, Burke will be performing at The Saint. He has been travelling across country via bicycle for the past couple months and performing gigs along the way. See www.burkerocks.com for more info There will be a bicycle ride leaving at 8pm from Brielle Cyclery on the Boardwalk(800 Ocean Avenue). Join Burke, local Belmar musician - Pat Roddy and other bike riders as we ride over to The Saint for the show. Free ticket to the show if you join the ride. Helmets, lights and locks recommended. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
[AsburyPark] Re: Fountain in Library Square Park Vandalized AGAIN!!!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to the article from The Coaster about last weeks vandalism; http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=1454 APHS and the city should get an estimate to do the renovations and video camera surveillance in one fell swoop. When the costs are know then we know what needs to be raised. Police need to walk through (not drive around) that park every hour or so, 24/7. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fountain in Library Square Park Vandalized AGAIN!!!
Now that I know more about this, it really saddens me that the APHS spent so much money to try and improve the park, only to have some idiots ruin it. I know that hind sight is 20/20, but the park, at least for as long as i've been here, is dark at night and an easy target for a place to do bad things in. Now that the fountains lights have been damaged, that leaves very little light in the park at night. It would be in the best interest of AP to at very least make an effort to get the lighting in the park working. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Here's a link to the article from The Coaster about last weeks vandalism; http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=1454 APHS and the city should get an estimate to do the renovations and video camera surveillance in one fell swoop. When the costs are know then we know what needs to be raised. Police need to walk through (not drive around) that park every hour or so, 24/7. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: No one is suggesting that people be encouraged to enter the country illegally. Yes they are. Many cities are declaring themselves sanctuary cities were the police and judges are instructed not to ask about immigration status. George Bush is dangling amnesty for prior tax evasion and automatic citizenship as a reward for breaking the law and coming here illegally. Sure sounds like he is encourging them to enter the country illegally to me. While there are laws the penalize companies for employing illegals, they are simply a slap on the wrist. If you really want to stop it, then throw the employer in jail instead of fining him. Agreed. When can we start? The father of one of my daughters students just got deported for being undocumented. That is the correct term, not illegal. Semantics. Under NJ Law, drunk driving is not a felony so it is not designated as a crime. It's still illegal. So is being here against the immigration laws. So now the mother is stuck here with her many children, all of whom were born in this country, without support. Anchor babies? If so, that's a huge loophole in our immigration laws that needs to close. BTW, the husband has never been in trouble with the law and works. Me too, but the President isn't offering me amnesty for not paying my income taxes. A century and more ago, American businesses advertised for workers in Europe. That is how many of us came to be. America has an historic love affair with cheap labor. Agreed. A certain political party argued in the 1860's to keep slavery for economic reasons. Now both parties are trying to keep a permenant, low wage slave class here too, at the expense of working class Blacks who can't ask for a living wage. Many of the illegal Mexicans aren't intrested in a living wage - they live 30 in a house, send the money back to Mexico and retire there in a few years because the exchange rate is so favorable. Don't take my word for it. Read up on Cesar Chaves, a left wing hero who organized the fruit laborers in California. He was a constant fighter against illegal immigration from Mexico because it allowed employers to not pay a living wage to American workers. Can't we learn from our own recent history? I am not condoning the johns' actions, although I certainly can sympathize with some of their likely plights of being in a strange country all alone without a mate after working who knows how many hours all to send some money home. The unwillingness to assimilate is their problem, not mine. Prostitution is a problem here in AP for other reasons. End our suspense.. The insanity of making it illegal. Will we never learn? I know a nice town in Nevada you can live in. I appreciate and thank you for your comments on illegal aliens. It creates a permenant underclass and jobs, that teenagers used to look forward to having, in the summer, no longer exists! With all of the high tech jobs, also going overseas, this country, is recreating an old system of the very rich and the desperately poor! Employment usually reserved for the undereducated or mis-educated Americans, are going to South Americans, not just Mexicans, create an almost Catch-22, situation. Either way, the foreign Hispanics, lose. They are not granted citizenship, are deeply resented by Blacks, Union workers and small entrepreneurs, who once could look forward, to having SOME employment, into a virtual unemployment, for life. This leads to gang creation, drug distribution, drug use, incarceration with long, draconian sentences, due to the Rockefeller Drug Laws, but it also creates employment, for the Justice Department. More jails to incarcerate, the overflow in the prisons and an almost planned genocide, of Blacks and Hispanics, (Puerto Ricans), because we are considered, expendable! Just my thoughts. Thanks again! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, restore881FM@ wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? I asked all these questions and more of Terry Reidy in a phone conversation 2 months ago. His reply - good questions Dan. That was in response to receiving some of he answers I asked for about ownership of Partners. All I got was a list of LLCs (limited Liability companies). Terry said the negotiations will not be out of the public eye. I guess that was satisfy me. I have no more patience or time for this nonsense. They are going to do what they want. Something is wrong when credit wants to be taken for every drop of rain that falls from heaven during their term but if bird shit rains down, it ain't their fault. 5-6 years and still can't balance a budget. The only reason something is happening now is because of pressure from the naysayers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Thank you Kevin, Jimmy and John
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
gary, did you ever read the original plan? do you remember what is
was like in asbury before this team took over, apparently not...i
lived here through it all:
~~~
Dear Rawdogalways,
{{HOW DO THE PEOPLE THAT SIGN THERE NAMES ON THIS SITE NO WHO YOU ARE?? Are
you hiding something?? What are you scare of?? Respect is a 2 way street sir.If
you give it you will get it back.Maybe you should run or did run already for
Council.Are a Present Council Member?? Be honest there is other people reading
this.I have nothing to hide you can ask Kevin,Jimmy John they no me Very
Well.I speak whats on my mind.And always will.Have a good Day rawdogalways}}
James Grabe
~~~
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:16 AM, justifiedright wrote:
Best PR we've had in years. The Future Starts Here team will go
down
in Asbury Park history as the greatest leaders this City has ever
had.
30 years of other City Councils left these guys with a challenge
that most thought couldn't be met. They have the City soaring,
turning huge names like Chetrit and Madison Marquette into
believers.
Tommy,
I'm just curious as to what your take is on the Future Starts
Here
team setting up a plan that appeared heavily geared towards
residential and now basically changing the plan toward one geared
more towards tourism. Doesn't that kind of strike you as a bit
strange? What is coming now is almost a complete reversal.
While I'm strongly in favor of what we're seeing now, I have a
hard
time calling them great leaders when they basically came up with
a
plan, took several years, and then scrapped the plan for
something
which makes more sense for a beach town. Wouldn't a great
leader
set a course of action that would work from the beginning? Or do
you
disagree that the plan seems to have moved from residential to
tourism based?
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[AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate and thank you for your comments on illegal aliens. It creates a permenant underclass and jobs, that teenagers used to look forward to having, in the summer, no longer exists! With all of the high tech jobs, also going overseas, this country, is recreating an old system of the very rich and the desperately poor! Employment usually reserved for the undereducated or mis-educated Americans, are going to South Americans, not just Mexicans, create an almost Catch-22, situation. Either way, the foreign Hispanics, lose. They are not granted citizenship, are deeply resented by Blacks, Union workers and small entrepreneurs, who once could look forward, to having SOME employment, into a virtual unemployment, for life. This leads to gang creation, drug distribution, drug use, incarceration with long, draconian sentences, due to the Rockefeller Drug Laws, but it also creates employment, for the Justice Department. More jails to incarcerate, the overflow in the prisons and an almost planned genocide, of Blacks and Hispanics, (Puerto Ricans), because we are considered, expendable! Just my thoughts. Thanks again! The Draft Riots of the Civil War. America always finds someone to do the jobs that no one else will. The mexicans and other south americans, but mainly the mexicans, are doing jobs that no one else wants, or at least at wages others are not willing to work for. Tommy, I am surprised that a conservative like you would not support laizze faire. Do you want wage controls? I had a mexican doing work for me and now he owns his own company. If any one resents these people, be them black, white or green, then do the jobs they are willing to do. There have been studies looking at the growth of the US economy over 150 years. The economy always grew faster after great waves of immigration. All of these people cannot simply be deported. It is impossible, and inhumane. It is probably the only thing on which I will ever agree with Dubya. How do they or anyone rise up? Education. The jews who emigrated here always knew the answer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! I've paid my taxes, invested here and support local business mongrel boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Draft Riots of the Civil War. America always finds someone to do the jobs that no one else will. The do the jobs that no one else will is a myth that for some reason is easily accepted. It shouldn't be. There is no job in America where the workforce is more than 27% illegals (most are much less than that). So in all jobs, Americans and legal aliens are doing the work at 3x the rate as illegals are, and in most cases by a far greater percentage. There is no job in America that Americans won't do. The problem Americans are having is that they have to compete for wages against illegals who are not trying to assimilate, rather make money to send back home and return thereafter. Tommy, I am surprised that a conservative like you would not support laizze faire. Do you want wage controls? No, I want fair competition. How can an American Black laborer demand a wage that allows him to buy a home, get his kids an ipod and a bike, send his kids to college and have a nest egg for retirement when an illegal will work for cheap because he is living 30 in a house and sending every penny back to Mexico so his familiy can live well there and he can go back in 10 years and retire? He can't. It's unfair competition. Let Americans compete against those that wish to stay here. I had a mexican doing work for me and now he owns his own company. Was he legal or illegal? There have been studies looking at the growth of the US economy over 150 years. The economy always grew faster after great waves of immigration. Interesting info, but useless to the current situation. Nothing like we are experiencing right now has ever happened in history, so history is no guide here. First of all, the extensive welfare state is much younger than 150 years. No country has ever been asked to handle this many foreigners at one time, educate them, give them healthcare, welfare, etc. Consider some numbers. After America was formed, the two largest groups of immigrants from Europe are Germans, followed by Italians. There are more illegals STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than all the Germans and Italians that came here combined over the past 225 years. We have more foriegn born people STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than all the immigrants who came here combined in the 350 years from 1607 to 1965. Some assert the number of illegals crossing the border is as high as 2 million each year. Gov. Bill Richardson of Arizona says his state sees 4500 illegals cross the border EVERY DAY. No one knows if American can bear this weight. All of these people cannot simply be deported. Most can be. Lets start with the approximately 70,000 that arrive each year with felony records. It is probably the only thing on which I will ever agree with Dubya. President Bush's failure to secure our borders in a time of war is a gross dereliction of his Constitution duties (not to mention a failure to ensure domestic tranquilty, as I would expect poor Blacks in partuclar to rise up against this economic war being waged upon them). If failure to secure our boarders are grounds for impeachment, don't expect me to stand in the way if the Democrats try. How do they or anyone rise up? Education. I'll enroll them in school when they land here legally. The jews who emigrated here always knew the answer. The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
and been a royal pain in the ass... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! I've paid my taxes, invested here and support local business mongrel boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 18 Johns arrested in AP yesterday
On Jun 17, 2007, at 10:58 PM, justifiedright wrote: The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish. Once again, I'll stand beside Tommy on an issue most people probably wouldn't believe a liberal would stand beside a conservative. I look at it this way. We have had waves of immigration from Germans, from Italians, from Chinese and other nationalities. The difference is that the current wave is simply not assimilating in any way of the previous waves. And for good reason. As Tommy points out, it's easy to have 1 or 2 million Germans or Italians learn the language but when you have 10-20 million of a different language come over at the same time there is less reason to assimilate - especially when we run ads in print and tv in Spanish and allow businesses like bodegas to be completely in Spanish. This is far different from having a Chinatown that's a block long. Belmar, just ten years ago, didn't have a single bodega. We now have 3 within a 5 block area. I have nothing against that (and personally love Spanish food); however, I do think America would be better off having an official language as I do see many problems for the country in the next 5-10 years and I don't see the assimilation or desire to be part of the melting pot that previous immigration waves showed. This immigration wave is very different. If you don't believe that, please show me a part of America where my German ancestors still speak solely German. I doubt there is such a place.
[AsburyPark] Convention hall scaffolding
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