[Assam] Khasis should emulate the Mosous. Guard against the pre-Islamic Arabian type.
Khasi parallels By Patricia Mukhimhttp://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14theme=usrsess=1id=93043By Patricia Mukhim The Second World Congress on Matriarchal Studies at San Marcos, Texas, from 29 September to 2 October was hosted by the University of Texas and saw an interface between researcher-scholars from across the globe with representatives of indigenous peoples who are still practising matriarchy and/or matriliny. The first Congress was held at Luxembourg in 2003 and the author was to speak on the Khasi matrilineal society of Meghalaya. Matriliny and matriarchy are contentious subjects. Yet because of their controversial nature they have generated intense debate in academic circles. An indirect offshoot of the feminist movement of the 1970s, the different dimensions of matriarchy are today accepted subjects of research. Feminists assert that what is history today is a distortion of matriarchal values which have been cleverly replaced by patriarchy a culture that is inherently linked to capitalism and the destruction of nature. Researchers in matriarchy contend that the social order in matriarchal societies is based on intelligent principles cultivated over thousands of years of human experience. These are well-balanced and peaceful societies that practise reciprocal equality in which every individual, irrespective of sex/gender and age, is treated with respect. They claim that matriarchy is a non-violent social order in which all living creatures are respected. This theory is supported by the very nature of matriarchy which means centred around the mother and the mother as the birth-giver, the carer and the nurturer cannot also be violent, destructive and non-egalitarian. The above argument seems to hold true of the Khasis and Garos of Meghalaya both of which are practising matrilineal societies. In these societies, lineage is derived from the mothers clan line. Ancestral and self-acquired property of parents passes through the youngest daughter or the khatduh. But the khatduh is only the custodian of that property. Decisions about the use of the ancestral property are taken by the maternal uncle or the mama. Usually the decision is arrived at through consensus. Both these societies have been non-violent as opposed to other tribal societies of the north-eastern region which have engaged in inter and intra-tribal conflicts. There is no visible class system. Land and all other natural resources were community property. In that sense, the societies were egalitarian. Until the last three decades of the 20th century, land and its resources remained a community property in the area now known as Meghalaya. But with the attainment of statehood in 1972 and new development projects, land became a purchasable commodity and was given a monetary value. This was the first onslaught on the practise of community ownership of land. Heated debates are on about how the notion of private property came in and whether this trend can be reversed. What surprised me was the existence of at least a dozen or more of matriarchal and matrilineal societies in different parts of the world and that the Khasis and Garos are not so unique after all! Indigenous peoples in the USA, namely, the Bear Clan of the Ohio Seneca commonly known as the Iroquois people practise matriarchy. So also the Syilx peoples of Okanagan, Canada and the Tygh peoples of the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs, the USA. Other matriarchal societies include the Tauregs of Sub-Saharan Africa, the Juchitan of Mexico, the Sierra Juarez Zapotecs of Oxaca, the Kuna peoples of Panama, the Shipiho of the Upper Amazon, the Samoa people of New Zealand, the Ashante tribes of Ghana, the Khoekhoe people of South Africa, the Mosuo of China and the Minangkabau of Sumatra, Indonesia, to name a few. The purpose of the congress was to initiate and encourage a multi-cultural, scientific discussion, networking and collaboration among scholars occupied with non-ideological research on what can be described as matriarchal societies. Scholars feel that while matrilineal and matrifocal are clearly defined anthropological terms, the significance of matriarchal as a specific cultural concept needed to be explored because the scientific studies of matriarchal cultures is not commonly known or accessible. The congress is a culmination of decades of research often at a great cost, particularly for scholars from Germany. Such innovative scholarship was unwelcome in the West at that time and anyone desirous of getting into this area was seen as a challenge to the status quo of patriarchy and hence ostracised by their universities. One scholar whose pioneering effort is widely recognised today is Heide Goettner-Abendroth. She has struggled and researched for close to three decades to draw the attention of the world to values embedded in matriarchal societies which she calls balanced and peaceful societies where domination is unknown and where women are considered
Re: [Assam] Good-bye
Albidaa na Karnaa mm From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Good-byeDate:Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:49:01 -0700 The full text of my previous mail somehow did not reach Assam net. With that incomplete mail, I would like to bid good-bye to this excellent forum.I thank all the members ,who, during my stay for the past four years in this net treated me with the utmost kindness and consideration.I wish to express my gratitude for the the experience,which I have gained in this forum KJD ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Poor marks on basic inferential capabilities :-) Important things first: Sorry if that comment is continuing to haunt you. But those are self invited. Such responses are not 'swayambhu', they usually are results of very poor attempts at spin, if not disingenuous arguments altogether. Unfortunately those don't work very well like a grenade thrown right back, unless there is a good reason. It a only demonstrates how badly it stung. As always your hatred of things Indian takes over your senses. Well, well, well! The ultimate explanation, the mokordhwaj answer to all that could not be explained or responded to-- MY hatred for all things Indian :-). Unfortunately, I am only the messenger. I did not create the dysfunctional desi-demokrasy nor did I help create their devotees. If you notice the question related only to the reaction of separatists to this internecine war that is going on between Karbis and Dimasas. Just because you choose to conveniently deal with it in isolation, I don't have to fall for it. Because it is not something that happened in isolation. It is deeply rooted and tied to the disarray in Indian Govt. and its institutions of state, including those of conflict-resolution, which is non-existent, and its rotten to the core system of political representation, which are based on everything but issues that effect the lives of real people. At 9:27 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: As always your hatred of things Indian takes over your senses. This question had nothing to do with India. If you notice the question related only to the reaction of separatists to this internecine war that is going on between Karbis and Dimasas. Now then, because you start fuming and frothing even before you have understood the question, you move forward with a response that half the time is a question and half the time is a mindless diatribe against India. Neither of which have any connection with the original question posed. Evidently it is not a reasonable explanation or an answer at all. Poor marks on basic inferential capabilities :-) --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:31 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: Why not answer a question with an answer for once :-) *** For a very simple reason: Because those who defend and deify the dysfunctional, have the first responsibility to show what their idols have done, having held the power and controlled the resources. They are the ones to show what they have done, what they are doing, what they will do in the future to change things. And if they are doing the right things, why are things the way they are? Those who want change, don't have any power, don't have access to resources, not to mention the responsibilities. But at least they are willing to shoulder the responsibilities. Would that be a reasonable explanation? Or is that too hard to fathom? --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the solution of the Indianistas? How have they tried to prevent it from playing out, what have they done , with their fingers on the controls pof power and the resources? How has the great Indian democracy prevented it from happening, or how it is finding solutions for it? I will wait to hear with bated breath. At 3:19 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: I wonder what is the position of the Assam separatists on this pernicious war between the two groups - Karbis and Dimasas. Going by the total silence on this - I assume either the separatists are not interested in that conflict. I am sure there would be some that would put the blame on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be too simplistic, wouldn't it? What is the solution to this and to a million other mutinies that often are against each other and not a part of the one great mutiny. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Avian Flu and Assam
Hi,I did a little digging online and seems like India is safe so far...here is an excerpt from an Oct 14th Indian Express article: The High Security Animal Disease Laboratory in Bhopal, the apex laboratory for testing diseases among animals, says not a single strain of the deadly H5N1 virus has been found in India in the last five years. ''The only flu strain found so far is H9N2 which is a non-pathogenic strain and has not caused any disease in animals,'' said H K Pradhan, the lab's joint director. The laboratory has tested 22,000 samples and only a negligible percentage have shown the H9N2 strain. In the last three months, the laboratory has tested 3207 samples and none of them tested positive for the virus. The government is monitoring 50 bird sanctuaries across the country.You can the read the entire article here: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=80089Shan.From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Avian Flu and AssamDate:Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:36:03 +0100 (BST) Does any one know whether the Govt has taken any steps to combat the deadly avian flu in Assam and NE ? Its proximity to SE Asia and the migratory birds do pose a serious threat for avian flu and I am afraid we do not have any testing facility at all to detect traces of the virus amongst the birds in Assam. This makes Assam and India very vulnerable.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Avian Flu and Assam
The avian flu is non scary as long as it does not mutate and does not jump from human to human. The moment it starts jumping from human to human (which is only a matter of time, given the dynamics of mutation and the historical evidence), it starts becoming scary. ---" . Can we call the birds from cold lands to fly into Clean Assam? Or can we advertize in Seniors' journals "Come and die in disease-free Bodoland in the Himalayan foothills of Assam. We will look after you like our Granpas and Granmas for only a fixed once-off Retirement fund"? Now that what I would call lateral thinking. But we should not forget to mention the drawbacks -- "Come and die disease-free" in a land where there is no medical set up worthy to speak of. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virology-Avian--mechanisms of spreading. As an engineer and hence -not at all knowledgeable on the subject I would meekly point out the fact that nothing spectacular has been reported worldwide till date. May be the strain repoted -by an English Lab-assuming they are correct- of a few found attacked in Rumania and TurkeyIS THE SAME as that of the one one reported by Vietnam/China/Russia. That still does not confirm of contagious spread. Look at the maps on bird migration. These lands are not on the path. And winter migration to Assam peaks around late November. So the last word has not been said. Hopefully Assam is spared this time round. Can we then take credit for something like"See our environment is pollution free---" . Can we call the birds from cold lands to fly into Clean Assam? Or can we advertize in Seniors' journals "Come and die in disease-free Bodoland in the Himalayan foothills of Assam. We will look after you like our Granpas and Granmas for only a fixed once-off Retirement fund"? I always thought this a real possibility to keep the naturally hospitable and healthy Bodo villagers busy with a healthcare industry. mm From:Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Avian Flu and AssamDate:Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:36:03 +0100 (BST) Does any one know whether the Govt has taken any steps to combat the deadly avian flu in Assam and NE ? Its proximity to SE Asia and the migratory birds do pose a serious threat for avian flu and I am afraid we do not have any testing facility at all to detect traces of the virus amongst the birds in Assam. This makes Assam and India very vulnerable. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! Get Yahoo! Mail___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
There is an onging GOI/GOA- monitored ceasefire between Dimasas and Karbis. Do you expect outlawed Ulfa to poke their nose here? BJP bigwigs are there today ,but are being told to keep out by Dr. Jayanta Rongpi. mm From:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Karbi AnglongDate:Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:27:10 -0500 Poor marks on basic inferential capabilities :-) Important things first: Sorry if that comment is continuing tohaunt you. But those are self invited. Such responses are not'swayambhu', they usually are results of very poor attempts at spin,if not disingenuous arguments altogether. Unfortunately those don'twork very well like a grenade thrown right back, unless there is agood reason. It a only demonstrates how badly it stung. As always your hatred of things Indian takes over your senses. Well, well, well! The ultimate explanation, the mokordhwajanswer to all that could not be explained or responded to-- MY hatredfor all things Indian :-). Unfortunately, I am only the messenger. Idid not create the dysfunctional desi-demokrasy nor did I help createtheir devotees. If you notice the question related only to the reaction of separatists to this internecine war that is going on between Karbis and Dimasas. Just because you choose to conveniently deal with it inisolation, I don't have to fall for it. Because it is not somethingthat happened in isolation. It is deeply rooted and tied to thedisarray in Indian Govt. and its institutions of state, includingthose of conflict-resolution, which is non-existent, and its rottento the core system of political representation, which are based oneverything but issues that effect the lives of real people.At 9:27 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: As always your hatred of things Indian takes over your senses. This question had nothing to do with India. If you notice the question related only to the reaction of separatists to this internecine war that is going on between Karbis and Dimasas. Now then, because you start fuming and frothing even before you have understood the question, you move forward with a response that half the time is a question and half the time is a mindless diatribe against India. Neither of which have any connection with the original question posed. Evidently it is not a reasonable explanation or an answer at all. Poor marks on basic inferential capabilities :-) --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:31 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: Why not answer a question with an answer for once :-) *** For a very simple reason: Because those who defend and deify the dysfunctional, have the first responsibility to show what their idols have done, having held the power and controlled the resources. They are the ones to show what they have done, what they are doing, what they will do in the future to change things. And if they are doing the right things, why are things the way they are? Thosewho want change, don't have any power, don't have access to resources, not to mention the responsibilities. But at least they are willing to shoulder the responsibilities. Would that be a reasonable explanation? Or is that too hard to fathom?--- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the solution of the Indianistas? How have they tried to prevent it from playing out, what have they done , with their fingers on the controls pof power and the resources? How has the great Indian democracy prevented it from happening, or how it is finding solutions for it? I will wait to hear with bated breath. At 3:19 PM -0700 10/17/05, Rajib Das wrote: I wonder what is the position of the Assam separatists on this pernicious war between the two groups - Karbis and Dimasas. Going by the total silence on this - I assume either the separatists are not interested in that conflict. I am sure there would be some that would put the blame on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be too simplistic, wouldn't it? What is the solution to this and to a million other mutinies that often are against each other and not a part of the one great mutiny. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Avian Flu and Assam
Now Shantanu is such a fine digger and clear feedback provider. Pleasure to me you. mm From:Shantanu Chatterjee [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Avian Flu and AssamDate:Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:06:43 -0400 Hi,I did a little digging online and seems like India is safe so far...here is an excerpt from an Oct 14th Indian Express article: The High Security Animal Disease Laboratory in Bhopal, the apex laboratory for testing diseases among animals, says not a single strain of the deadly H5N1 virus has been found in India in the last five years. ''The only flu strain found so far is H9N2 which is a non-pathogenic strain and has not caused any disease in animals,'' said H K Pradhan, the lab's joint director. The laboratory has tested 22,000 samples and only a negligible percentage have shown the H9N2 strain. In the last three months, the laboratory has tested 3207 samples and none of them tested positive for the virus. The government is monitoring 50 bird sanctuaries across the country.You can the read the entire article here: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=80089Shan.From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Avian Flu and AssamDate:Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:36:03 +0100 (BST) Does any one know whether the Govt has taken any steps to combat the deadly avian flu in Assam and NE ? Its proximity to SE Asia and the migratory birds do pose a serious threat for avian flu and I am afraid we do not have any testing facility at all to detect traces of the virus amongst the birds in Assam. This makes Assam and India very vulnerable.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Good-bye
KJD-da, This forum's membership does not come with an expiry date so why goodbye.If you are busy then you can become a dormant member. Umesh mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Albidaa na Karnaa mm From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Good-byeDate:Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:49:01 -0700 The full text of my previous mail somehow did not reach Assam net. With that incomplete mail, I would like to bid good-bye to this excellent forum.I thank all the members ,who, during my stay for the past four years in this net treated me with the utmost kindness and consideration.I wish to express my gratitude for the the experience,which I have gained in this forum KJD ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Nations within nation states.
You have raised a pertinent point. I don't know why you want to leave this exciting forum. Mayur Chandigarh --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Autonomy, asymmetrical federalism', Sovereignty--these are wonderful words and ideas.But then,these fantastic 'dreams' are based on the assumption that our politicians along with their sycophants will behave more responsibly all of a sudden,only if more powers are bestowed upon them.Unfortunately , having seen their their past track records,it will just be a wishful thinking.The attraction of the US Constitution lies in the very simple method,it has adopted for Center-state distribution of powers.And yet,in the cruellest irony of political theory,April 1861 saw 23 American states arrayed in war against the 11 states who had seceded and adopted a provis! ional Con KJD ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] India's violent policy has eliminated 15, 000+ Assamese since 4/7/60, Bhupender.
For me, the sanctity of human life is much more important than any other issue. I will be the last person to underscore the philosophical superiority of a particular viewpoint at the cost human life. That is the biggest tragedy of modern life when educated and enlightened people make a conscious choice in that direction totally disregarding its impact on the common people. Is it a case of missing the woods for the trees ? Most often, it is not. It is rather a case of not missing their misplaced sense of ego even for a minute to exhibit the theoretical supremacy of their opinion. Luckily they are a miniscule minority and scattered all over the globe without any perceptible effect on the people for whom they show their concern sometimes. Mayur Chandigarh --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is your point of view. In most cases, freedoms have come to nations by violence. And, most countries maintain armed forces so that the countries can impose their will by violence on peoples outside or within if and when deemed necessary. If a country has armed itself so that severe violence can be visited upon those who question the country's existence in the current form (from outside or from within), what is the philosophical superiority in asking freedom-seekers to ask for sovereignty in a non-violent manner? (Practical issues are different, but I don't believe seeking freedom non-violently is superior to seeking freedom violently in a philosophical or ethical sense.) Because, once independence or sovereignty is gained, even a rare country that is able to gain so non-violently, will surely resort to keeping strong armed forces to visit violence upon those who seek independence from it from within or threaten its independence from the outside. Jugal -Original Message- From: mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Assam] India's violent policy has eliminated 15, 000+ Assamese since 4/7/60, Bhupender. Those who do hair splitting analysis on whether state terrorism is responsible for insurgency or vice versa get so bogged down by the debate that they tend to overlook the disastrous effects of any violence on the common people. Any type of violence adds darkness to a sky already devoid of stars. What is the problem with a non violent mass movement to demand anything from Delhi ? Is it going to be less powerful ? Certainly not. Is violence the easy way out ? Probably yes. I will prefer status quo to even a much better sovereign Assam if it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives. I will give more importance to those lives than to the 'guaranteed' collective well being of the survivors. At the same time, I don't ridicule others who have a completely opposite view on this matter. Healthy debate is always welcome on any imporatant issue pertaining to the state. Mayur Chandigarh --- mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Or due to Fake encounters. Through the encouragement from INTELLECTUALS/Entertainers. Or through cheap informers.Or at KGB -funded Combings. Or because the lure of free oil/gas/tea And Assamese can be good humane humans-in fact they are superior compared to most mm - From: mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] India's violent policy has eliminated 15,000+ Assamese since 4/7/60, Bhupender. Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Who will tell how many innocent lives have been lost due to the violence perpetrated by the Ultras ? Bhupen da is absolutely right when he says that one can be a good Assamese Indian. Both are complementary and not contradictory as many people try to make it look like. Mayur Chandigarh --- Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - For peace in Assam rebels should shun violence: Bhupen Hazarika http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnewsid=36225 Begin Assam talks: Hazarika http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/16/stories/2005101605410800.htm Staff Reporter NEW DELHI: Admitting that he had stepped away from all things political, legendary balladeer Bhupen Hazarika said on Saturday that the Government must take the talk process in Assam a little more seriously by beginning it rather than just talking about it. Here for his first live performance in three years, the Dada Saheb Phalke Award winner said although he did not dream of any immediate improvement, it was important that the peace process was taken ahead. Asked about his views on ULFA's demand for sovereignty, the singer, who had once volunteered to act as a mediator between the two sides, said, I want to be a very good Assamese Indian. We are still
[Assam] Article on Nitin's death in India Abroad
There is a half-page article in this week's issue of India Abroad on circumstances surrounding Nitin's death - we received the paper yesterday. In the article Sarangapani family laments that no arrests have been made yet although police has details of what really happened. It also carries a great picture of Nitin. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food willbebiodiesel
I don't know about wine, but TEA may be the only commodity where the price is set by the buyer and not by the seller. This is done through an elaborate system of Tea Testing and Auctioning. That is why Tea cannot be sold directly. All the world Tea producers follow this system evolved by the British. Even if one tries to sell directly, apparently trying to cut the middle man and make extra profit, they will have to under sell as these TEA will not be Tested and Graded. Incidentally I have heard that the Guwahati Tea Auction is loosing some of its creditability due to undue influence made on the Tea Tester which is apparently not there in Kolkata Tea Auctioning. At one time about 50% of the Tea Gardens (total about 800 in Assam) were owned by Assamese. When the profits were great they all made lot of money but none could retain the profits and invest in Assam's entrepreneurship. The main problem with Assamese businessmen was that their standards of living go up to consume the extra profits. (Visit Europe by the entire family with servants and all etc). So when the market fell, most Assamese Tea Garden owners had to sell to Marwaries to survive. One of thetrick of the successes of the Marwaries is that they never raise their standard of living. They take their business very religiously andreinvest or save the extra profits. I may be wrong in some points but this is what I have been told and learned from common sense. Any comments from any tea experts? RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: mc mahant ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food willbebiodiesel I wonder why Assamese businessman cannot be expected to start exporting tea directly abroad - just like the MNCs are doing. With foreign returned supporters like you - with contacts everywhere - I think that is a feasable ploy. Why make wine only for the local NE market - when it can be sold across India and abroad (never mind that even in France there is glut of wine which is now being converted into ethanol to be mixed with petrol) Australia is successfully exporting lots of agri products - why not Assam? Umesh At 9:48 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Incited indigenous Assam, you have managed to spread YOUR SHAME continent wide.
You should summarize all the events of last 10 days at Karbi Anglong ---also why and who-- mm From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: [Assam] Incited indigenous Assam,you have managed to spread YOUR SHAME continent wide.Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:56:30 + Degolados 22 membros da tribo Karbi no estado indiano de Assam http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/materias/mundo/2149001-2149500/2149285/2149285_1.xml Agência EFE 04:05 18/10 Um total de 22 membros da tribo karbi foram assassinados por atacantes que interceptaram os ônibus nos quais viajavam no estado de Assam (este da Índia), informam hoje os meios de comunicação locais. Leia abaixo o texto Supostos insurgentes, com o rosto coberto e vestidos de negro, pararam nesta segunda-feira dois ônibus e fizeram seus passageiros descer. Após separar os que pertenciam à etnia karbi, incluindo oito mulheres, os degolaram, segundo informa a agência indiana PTI. Este fato aconteceu no distrito de Anglong de Assam, onde estão assentados os karbi, que reivindicam sua autonomia. Posteriormente realizaram ataques contra algumas casas dos karbi nos povoados de Sarsim e Precheks, cometidos por membros da tribo rival dimasa, que atearam fogo a 125 casas, segundo a PTI. A violência entre estas duas tribos rivais causou a morte de 57 pessoas desde 26 de setembro. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
The Mother of Reasons of all human migration problems: Bihari-Adibasi(maybe Jharkhand origin),Karbi,Dimasa,Nagas(grabbing lower lands with Delhi/CRP looking the other way)--- depletion of Potassium from the soil.
I wrote in the net that only Sovereign Assam can solve India's food /unrest problem by supplying Potassium, Phosphorus, PLUS half of India's liquid energy needs --plus about half Electric energy needs.
{No Sovereignty for Assam-- no Hope of " Great India" EVER.}
Promise I won't repeat this "Asinine"remark.
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From:SP [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Karbi AnglongDate:Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:33 -0400Rajib Das wrote on Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:20:04 -0700+I wonder what is the position of the Assam separatists+on this pernicious war between the two groups - Karbis+and Dimasas.++Going by the total silence on this - I assume either+the separatists are not interested in that conflict.++I am sure there would be some that would put the blame+on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be too+simplistic, wouldn't it?the issue is land.this is not the
first time that there has been a killing.some time ago upds killed some biharis.wait, wait---biharis in karbi anglong?!you would be surprised, but there are a lot of biharisin karbi anglong.the biharis are those who have beendisplaced from bihar due to---you guessed it---landalienation.the land alienation in bihar gave riseto and sustained the maoist communist center kindsand the opposing ranbir sena kinds, leading tooccasional massacres there.the land alienation problemin bihar has now been exported to the karbi hills.this problem now will touch all those in karbi and otherareas.it will pit one tribe against the other.it willpit tribals against the illegal immigrants (as it did at nelliesome
decades ago).and it will pit tribals against biharis,bengalis and what have you.and the biharis and bengaliswill retaliate, as the biharis did following the upds attack.if you are trying to take a few cheap shots at militancy thistime, please don't.well, for one, we don't know who did thisparticular massacre. (most probably we will never know---dowe know who did nellie, so many years ago, or dimapur railwaystation last year?).they were in black fatigues it is said,but surprisingly they did not use ak-47's.they used the villagedao.they hacked the passengers and threw them into thefire.in a way those at nellie used daos, bows and arrows.this was not an ordinary political killing by
insurgentgroups.this was tribal warfare.+What is the solution to this and to a million other+mutinies that often are against each other and not a+part of the one great mutiny.the solution is land reforms, to begin with.followedby other measures to protect and integrate the tribals.this is the bare minimum.but this will never be done.was it done in bihar?(it was done in bengal, by the cpim.if they had'tdone so, those killed by the upds would have beenbengalis, not biharis).most probably, the problemwill fester, as it has done for so many years in thekarbi hills, with an occasional massacre here and there.the problem of land is not just something
which has beenimported from bihar and which will impact only the tribals.you might have come across news of at least two huge ralliesin assam in the last few months by people (non-tribalsmostly) demanding government pattas for their lands andwhich turned violent.this is another powder keg we aresitting on.xourov___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Also, the asinine was a response to assassment. A
PJ.
--- Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mikeda,
I do not dispute your hypothesis that Assam could
solve the problem of potassium, liquid energy and
energy. I have not done enough analysis to comment
either way.
What I do dispute is that a sovereign Assam will not
have access to Indian markets. That does not sound
logical since a state seized from India will be felt
inimical to it. Assam will never have any leverage
over the directions India takes in building out
these
networks.
In addition all those opportunities you talk about,
there are others - big ideas all - that can impact
both India overall and our region economically. Such
opportunities did not make sense in an earlier
generation of India where the leadership clearly
lacked vision and the public did not demand it. The
world in India today is different. People want
prosperity and are pretty impatient about it. Many
politicians have realized it and work towards
getting
some work done.
It is that time in India where the watchword is hope
and progress and by any account humongous economic
progress. It is into that India that the
opportunities
of Assam will feed into. This requires an Assam that
is indelibly linked to India - not de-linked.
Actually the way I see it - India (and Bangladesh
and
Burma and USA and Thailand and USA and Europe and
whatever else is there) will get peace in our region
at any cost. If not for the love of Assam, this
peace
will come because there is way too much money to be
made.
For 40 years Assam was in the periphery - being a
link
between worlds would bring the North East to
somewhat
of an economic center. India will have an impetus to
make the NE that economic center over let's say
Bangladesh. Take a look at the map of the region. A
sovereign Assam would be irrelevant - India can
easily
route the routes through Bangaldesh.
The real question is:
Should Assam rather be sovereign and not take
advantage of the opportunities you and I are talking
about? Or should we be a part of India and take
advantage of those? Would we rather have the jungle
reclaim us or move forward with a singular focus on
the prosperity of the region.
Economically speaking I haven't seen a business case
built out for the former.
It is in this context that we had a discussion some
time back as to what the objective for discussions
between ULFA and GOI should be - beyond the singular
word of sovereignity.
People of NE benefit from having gotten as an
outcome
of a negotiated settlement a humongous economic
bonus
that the neglect of GOI and the depradations of the
militants have brought us. GOI will bite because
however huge an economic bonus will be far smaller
than the economic benefits that will accrue to both
Assam and India.
--- mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
The Mother of Reasons of all human migration
problems:
Bihari-Adibasi(maybe Jharkhand
origin),Karbi,Dimasa,Nagas(grabbing lower lands with
Delhi/CRP looking the other way)--- depletion of
Potassium from the soil.
I wrote in the net that only Sovereign Assam can
solve
India's food /unrest problem by supplying
Potassium,
Phosphorus, PLUS half of India's liquid energy needs
--plus about half Electric energy needs.
{No Sovereignty for Assam-- no Hope of Great
India
EVER.}
Promise I won't repeat this Asinine remark.
mm
mm
-
From: SP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:33 -0400
Rajib Das wrote on Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:20:04 -0700
+ I wonder what is the position of the Assam
separatists
+ on this pernicious war between the two groups -
Karbis
+ and Dimasas.
+
+ Going by the total silence on this - I assume
either
+ the separatists are not interested in that
conflict.
+
+ I am sure there would be some that would put the
blame
+ on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be
too
+ simplistic, wouldn't it?
the issue is land.
this is not the first time that there has been a
killing.
some time ago upds killed some biharis.
wait, wait---biharis in karbi anglong?!
you would be surprised, but there are a lot of
biharis
in karbi anglong. the biharis are those who have
been
displaced from bihar due to---you guessed it---land
alienation. the land alienation in bihar gave rise
to and sustained the maoist communist center kinds
and the opposing ranbir sena kinds, leading to
occasional massacres there. the land alienation
problem
in bihar has now been exported to the karbi hills.
this problem now will touch all those in karbi and
other
areas. it will pit one tribe against the other.
it
will
pit tribals against the illegal immigrants (as it
did
at nellie
some decades ago). and it will pit
Re: [Assam] What about the telegu language ?
Sanskrit is NOT the mother of ALL Indian languages - it is not so for the Southern Indian languages such as Tamil, Telegu and Kannada and it is not so for North Eastern languages as well as languages of the different tribes that are found all over North India. I don't see why there should be a debate at all on that when it is a universally accepted fact. The politics of language (or of nationalism) cannot ignore this because this is a fact, not a hypothesis. = Thanks Rajib for saving some of my energy! Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Good perspective
Mayur
Chandigarh
--- Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mikeda,
I do not dispute your hypothesis that Assam could
solve the problem of potassium, liquid energy and
energy. I have not done enough analysis to comment
either way.
What I do dispute is that a sovereign Assam will not
have access to Indian markets. That does not sound
logical since a state seized from India will be felt
inimical to it. Assam will never have any leverage
over the directions India takes in building out
these
networks.
In addition all those opportunities you talk about,
there are others - big ideas all - that can impact
both India overall and our region economically. Such
opportunities did not make sense in an earlier
generation of India where the leadership clearly
lacked vision and the public did not demand it. The
world in India today is different. People want
prosperity and are pretty impatient about it. Many
politicians have realized it and work towards
getting
some work done.
It is that time in India where the watchword is hope
and progress and by any account humongous economic
progress. It is into that India that the
opportunities
of Assam will feed into. This requires an Assam that
is indelibly linked to India - not de-linked.
Actually the way I see it - India (and Bangladesh
and
Burma and USA and Thailand and USA and Europe and
whatever else is there) will get peace in our region
at any cost. If not for the love of Assam, this
peace
will come because there is way too much money to be
made.
For 40 years Assam was in the periphery - being a
link
between worlds would bring the North East to
somewhat
of an economic center. India will have an impetus to
make the NE that economic center over let's say
Bangladesh. Take a look at the map of the region. A
sovereign Assam would be irrelevant - India can
easily
route the routes through Bangaldesh.
The real question is:
Should Assam rather be sovereign and not take
advantage of the opportunities you and I are talking
about? Or should we be a part of India and take
advantage of those? Would we rather have the jungle
reclaim us or move forward with a singular focus on
the prosperity of the region.
Economically speaking I haven't seen a business case
built out for the former.
It is in this context that we had a discussion some
time back as to what the objective for discussions
between ULFA and GOI should be - beyond the singular
word of sovereignity.
People of NE benefit from having gotten as an
outcome
of a negotiated settlement a humongous economic
bonus
that the neglect of GOI and the depradations of the
militants have brought us. GOI will bite because
however huge an economic bonus will be far smaller
than the economic benefits that will accrue to both
Assam and India.
--- mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
The Mother of Reasons of all human migration
problems:
Bihari-Adibasi(maybe Jharkhand
origin),Karbi,Dimasa,Nagas(grabbing lower lands with
Delhi/CRP looking the other way)--- depletion of
Potassium from the soil.
I wrote in the net that only Sovereign Assam can
solve
India's food /unrest problem by supplying
Potassium,
Phosphorus, PLUS half of India's liquid energy needs
--plus about half Electric energy needs.
{No Sovereignty for Assam-- no Hope of Great
India
EVER.}
Promise I won't repeat this Asinine remark.
mm
mm
-
From: SP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:33 -0400
Rajib Das wrote on Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:20:04 -0700
+ I wonder what is the position of the Assam
separatists
+ on this pernicious war between the two groups -
Karbis
+ and Dimasas.
+
+ Going by the total silence on this - I assume
either
+ the separatists are not interested in that
conflict.
+
+ I am sure there would be some that would put the
blame
+ on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be
too
+ simplistic, wouldn't it?
the issue is land.
this is not the first time that there has been a
killing.
some time ago upds killed some biharis.
wait, wait---biharis in karbi anglong?!
you would be surprised, but there are a lot of
biharis
in karbi anglong. the biharis are those who have
been
displaced from bihar due to---you guessed it---land
alienation. the land alienation in bihar gave rise
to and sustained the maoist communist center kinds
and the opposing ranbir sena kinds, leading to
occasional massacres there. the land alienation
problem
in bihar has now been exported to the karbi hills.
this problem now will touch all those in karbi and
other
areas. it will pit one tribe against the other.
it
will
pit tribals against the illegal immigrants (as it
did
at nellie
some decades ago). and it will pit tribals against
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Dear Mahanta da
you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. May be you
will bring a fresh whiff of air to this debate. I am
sure you might also be keen to visit Assam. On a
lighter vain, if you allow me, I want to say
something. You can fly to Assam via Bangkok, not
necessarily via India.
Mayur
Chandigarh
--- Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use
English What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean?
Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but
are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else
in the guise of 'Assamese'?
*** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA,
but ULFA did not give them representation by
choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'?
Chandan:
I think instead of wasting time here in the net
arguing theoritically, you should go and spend some
real time in Assam to know and face the reality.
Your questions simply shows your ignorance of what
is going on in Assam.
Rajen
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; Bartta Bistar ;
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language
debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Is the PCG all consist of so called 'Assamese'?
What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we
implying that they may not be Assamese, but are
'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else in
the guise of 'Assamese'?
Are any of the groups who recently claimed that
they are not Assamese are represented here?
*** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA,
but ULFA did not give them representation by
choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'?
What is the thrust of the query here Rajen?
c
At 3:32 PM -0500 10/18/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
The list disclosed by the outfit featured the
names of Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat), Ajit Bhuyan
(Editor, Aji), Hyder Hussain (Editor, Asomiya
Pratidin), Brajen Gogoi (medical practitioner),
Arup Borbora (Advocate, Gauhati High Court), Dilip
Patgiri (president AJYCP), Lachit Bordoloi
(Adviser, MASS), Diganta Konwar (Journalist) and
Hiranya Saikia (Sports organizer)
Is the PCG all consist of so called
'Assamese'? Are any of the groups who recently
claimed that they are not Assamese are represented
here?
RB
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Bartta Bistar ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language
debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat),
What a riot!
Mukul Mahanta , a bureaucrat?
Without a doubt Assam Tribune is a piece of
work.
cm
At 7:27 AM + 10/5/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:
Centre-PCG talks on Oct 25-26
http://www.assamtribune.com/ 5 October 2005
From Our Staff Correspondent
NEW DELHI, Oct 4 - The much-awaited talks
between the Government of India and the people's
consultative group (PCG), formed by the United
Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) will be held on
October 25-26. This decision was arrived at, at a
meeting the National Security Adviser Sri NK
Narayanan had with noted litterateur Dr Mamoni
Raisom Goswami and member of the PCG, Rebati Phukan
here today.
Talking to newsmen after the meeting, Dr
Goswami said that the Chief Minister, Tarun Gogoi is
also likely to participate in the talks. The PCG
made the formal request to involve the State
Government and Narayanan accepted the same.
She described today's development as a major
breakthrough and said that it would facilitate
further interaction between the PCG and the
Government for restoration of peace in Assam.
Phukan said that for the first time in 26
years, such a move has been initiated. He said that
the PCG wanted participation of the Assam Government
in the process of talks to facilitate the movement
of the members of the PCG throughout the State. He
revealed that the PCG members would travel
throughout the state to gather public opinion on the
issue of talks between the Government of India and
the ULFA and come back to the Government with the
opinion of the masses.
He hoped that the ULFA would also respect
the opinion of the common people of the State and
asserted that there was no ambiguity on the issue of
talks.
Phukan said that there was no pre-condition
for the talks and the primary concern is to restore
a healthy atmosphere in Assam. The main aim of the
PCG is to have a cease fire between the Government
and the ULFA to facilitate talks.
Phukan thanked the Government of India for
suspending the operations in the Dibru-Saikhowa
national park, but at the
