Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moode vs Squeezelite
Labarum wrote: > Is that diplomatic code for "distortion"? > > It just means that f(ax1+bx2) != af(x1) + bf(x2) if f is the transformation LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114958 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moode vs Squeezelite
slartibartfast wrote: > Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. > Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I > have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds > better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I > don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped > @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk It might sound better in a sense that better can mean a lot of different things to different people :). A bit of signal processing and some equalization or even non linear transformation LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114958 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server solution for sound quality?
atrocity wrote: > I don't care enough to find it right now, but somewhere out there is A > Very Serious Article wherein someone claims audible differences > depending on the brand name of the hard drive storing the bits. Some people seriously believe that: - the earth is flat - COVID vaccine contains 5G - Trump won the election So there is nothing that should surprise us. LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server solution for sound quality?
stosoorok wrote: > Absolute waste of time. If you don't have the gear that is resolving > enough (like in this thread, the commentators seem to have max 100-200 > bucks worth gear) of course it does not matter what you put into it. I > have 3 different digital transports (NAA) at the moment (similar price), > all sound different. Okay, I got my answer so no more use of this > thread. As said, whatever floats your boat. You had answers, you dont like it because it does not fit your preconceived opinion. People here took the time to answer, some of them are signal processing engineers with the mathematical background and 20+ years experience. And again, you absolutely can prefer things on subjective criteria, its fine - we all do that, without the need to rationalize it. LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server solution for sound quality?
stosoorok wrote: > I don't want to be rude, but this is absolute rubbish as a comparison. > Forget your education. Please close your eyes, free your mind and use > your ears. I once were in the same situation. I have built many systems > (amps, streamers and so on) and could not believe it either (ignored > critical listening), until I started to use my ears. It's kind like a > good wine, gognac or food, you do not use your education or chemical > formula for that. :) > > > Indeed looks that way! :) Its a free world and you are free to have any belief you want but you have to recognize for what they are and not claim there is any science behind. 41% of US republicans will not get vaccinated because they confuse opinion and science and this is going to cause the death of many, and this is where a red line is crossed about the entitlement to opinions and their validity. Now, for SQ, subject is much lighter and opinions have no sinister consequences and if you feel better / enjoy your system more because you spend a lot if time tweaking it in all sort of ways, then be it. But also (again) understand that science tells you with certainty there is nothing there and its not a question of « opening our minds » LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Don't forget guys https://www.mcru.co.uk/product-category/diy-componants/audiophile-grade-solder/ LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel Playback - ideas and music?
brewie wrote: > emalvick > I think some of the mch 5.1 music is a lot better than stereo. > Currently I have converted most of my mch SACD's to mch FLAC's (24/96) > and they are sitting on a Synology NAS. > LMS/picore is running on a Raspberry Pi 4B with touchscreen and Harmony > remote control. > I Use TIDAL HIFI, Spotty , Internet Radio and of course my local (NAS) > FLAC files to play music. No need for ROON or anything expensive like > that. > The only thing that is not really smooth is that I cannot play mch FLAC > and mch DSD files from my NAS. Playing Stereo FLAC files is no problem. > > So if you have a chance to look into mch FLAC and find a solution for > it.. that would be fantastic. > Foobar is using some good plugins for this purpose. maybe you can > reuse them? > thx in advance! Adding multichannel would be a very big endeavor. A fair bit of changes in LMS and a total rewrite of squeezelite core, unless you have a way to tunnel everything to the audio driver and make sure no gain or alteration of any kind is made to the data blob. I can't see anybody, for now, willing to do these changes LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to drive separate amp - XLR, IR blaster, used AV receiver question
StewLG wrote: > 150-200W into 8Ω, maybe? I'd do more but budget/sanity would start > to hold me back north of $800. > > Again, I have no illusions I actually need this much power. If I'm going > to replace anything, I want it to be firmly in the overkill department. Well, I wanted to offer you the service of my little SqueezeAMP project, but your target is way beyonf it's ability, even in bridge mode. LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112052 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to drive separate amp - XLR, IR blaster, used AV receiver question
StewLG wrote: > I'm 100% fully aware of that, and on most days I agree wholeheartedly. I > have no illusion that I can, for example, hear the differences between > DACs, given that I can barely distinguish 128 kbit MP3 vs. FLAC on a > good day with a 'statistically valid ABX test' > (https://abx.digitalfeed.net/list.lame.html). I expect it will be the > same with the first 25 watts of amplifier power that I actually use - so > long as I'm not using the wimpiest T-amp, or something truly ancient > with dried-out caps, I figure its unlikely I'll be able to tell. So, > it's insecurity/curiosity that makes me want a powerful/ultra-modern > amp. That's probably not a good enough reason. > > I have done a little more research, and the closest I can come to a > minimal front-end that might work for the use-case I described is a DAC > with a volume knob, source selection, and remote that are targeted at > headphone applications. Some have built-in bluetooth radios, which is a > requirement for my setup. For example: > > 'Topping DX7 Pro' > (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YJHZ7CL/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07YJHZ7CL&pd_rd_w=7XCZo&pf_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5&pd_rd_wg=CM73v&pf_rd_r=73CDZHSN3BV9WFKWNZYZ&pd_rd_r=82690819-7ac0-4da4-9afb-f7172224372f&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzOUhSMlFXQ0VXTkpNJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzEwNzAzM0hWUU9NUEhYWDZMQyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwODU2NDk4U1JUODJETTJaUzFUJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==) > - Too expensive but checks all the boxes. > > 'Topping DX3 Pro' > (https://www.amazon.com/DX3-Pro-Headphone-Amplifier-Bluetooth/dp/B07KG9P3X3/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=topping+dx3+pro&qid=1587484842&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFGWUtETldPWjdBRTQmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3MjI0MjYxNlFWVTlIRVBDSjlRJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwNDgyNjROME41UVc2MDNLOFUmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl) > - Fine but no XLR, and the price doesn't deter me. > > The ironic thing is I'd be buying it for everything EXCEPT the DAC - > again, I have no illusions I can detect any improvement over the > performance of what's in the SB 3 for two-channel FLAC audio. And I > can't immediately figure out the 12v trigger issues - no clean solution > for powering down the amp that I can come up with. > > Anyway, with C19 supply chain issues, the amps I'm interested in are > hard to buy at the moment, and so this idea will probably be shelved > until at least fall. I've mused on it repeatedly, and will probably > again, I can't help it. What kind of power are you looking at for the amplifier? LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112052 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] levitating turntable
Its just a very nice looking, cool useless object. There is nothing more than design and marketing in these things. Improving a marginal effect in a system that is intrinsically flooded with much bigger non-linear distorsions. You might still like the sound, its a fully respectable question of taste, but not a question of precision. LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110693 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DSD extension watch item
Hi - @mherger kindly accepted to incorporate a modification I've made to LMS for DSF/DFF playback that simply adds an information to the player about the actual format. It should have no impact on squeezelite or other ways to play DSD, but it should allow DSD to work using my UPnPBridge plugin. This post is just to inform that the change should be pushed when @mherger can in the nightly builds, so anybody seeing a problem please tell (and blame) me. It's really a tiny patch that again, is already ignored by DSD playback of squeezelite LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110127 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] i need some cash can anybody help me out please?
Looking at the website of one of the reviewers https://darko.audio/2018/12/doorstop-me-if-you-think-youve-heard-this-one-before/ hurt my brain LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109845 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter: upsample files with sox and drop external DAC?
posnos wrote: > hmm... didnt think I was spouting foofoo here... just asking if I would > lose any SQ doing upsampling with SOX inside LMS verses an external > DAC. > > Unless you think upsampling is foofoo...or even extermal DAC's > > Thanks for the comment anyways. > > Peter synchronous vs asynchronous upsampling does not mean anything. it's a transformation in the digital domain and only the precision of the arithmetic use could make a difference which is far below anything you will hear. Assuming the same precision, you can do it in the dac, in sox, in AWS in the cloud, it does not make any difference (1+1=2, wherever you calculate it). As far a upsampling is concerned, oh well ... any decent DAC+filtering, Transporter included put that problem an order of magnitude below the distorsions that are introduced by the rest of the analogue chain, your ears included. don't know what I'm doing in the audiophile forum ;) LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109640 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
The problems with this kind of devices are - whether you sell it for 400 or 3000, you wont probable sell many more - in fact you might sell less because audiophiles wont find it credible (too cheap) - if you sell for 400, you dont make enough money to survive - and at the end, people spend huge amount of money for clothes which quite often are a small piece of fabric, so why not for a players whos looks you like Though I still agree that the claim of the magical quality features they bring and how much sound is improved is very disturbing and fraudulent ... well once I saw people buying audiophile power cable a few years ago, knowing that you might have 10s of meters of normal cable before reaching your plug I lost faith in human intelligence LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TeraDak Power Supply for Touch
Fizbin wrote: > That's crazy that you've gone through 4 PS's with the same result. > That's not typical for the Touch. At first I thought it could be a dirty > power issue (since you require a power conditioner) but I don't think > dirty power would be a direct cause of a remote not working. > > Anyway, maybe your Touch is a tad off spec, who knows. At least you got > it working. None of my Touch had issues during all these years. I burnt Boom, Radio and Duet PS (I burnt a remote charging stand last week - I know a lot here don't like the duet's remote, but although totally outdated today by iPeng and al, I still do think that was an amazing remote for its time), but no Touch so far. I've a lot of spare PHIHONG PS with all sort of ratings, so there is always an extra one and I use them for my multiples electronic home projects. They are good enough for my uneducated ears. LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108895 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
The Art of (making a lot of money from) Noise LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments
Julf wrote: > Ah, but how about my pet bat Eric? :) He's going to hate you LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments
Jeff07971 wrote: > After an "interesting" :) discussion here regarding bandwidth and sample > depth/rates in digital audio I found this interesting :- > > http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm I'm not sure anybody claims that such instruments do not produce >20KHz sound, like some produce heat, light reflexion, change the % humidity in the air when you blow in them (I'm not being sarcastic) and maybe other things. The point is that these elements are under perceptual level of humans and/or irrelevant for replay. Or shall we reproduce all the environment variables of a recording when it was made? A dog barking at the other side of your town will make a noise of which some will reach you when you listen ... but you'd probably agree there are neglegible. Your hearing has a lowpass filter <20KHz, so even if the instrument has a decent amount of energy >20KHz, as long as the digitization process include as similar lowpass filter before sampling @ more than Nyquist, then there is no aliasing and your human filter versus the digitization filter have no more difference/impact than the barking dog. LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
pablolie wrote: > All totally correct. We should all be aware there are far more critical > applications out there, and bit loss would be unacceptable (which is why > one also has correction and error detection codes thrown in). The stuff > works, period. And there's absolutely no way the same identical digital > frame will sound better in analog because of any characteristic of the > digital signal. It just doesn't happen. > As a (very) occasional reader (and even less commenter) of such threads, I'm afraid that it's hopeless to try to give the correct explanation. Most people do not understand the fundamental difference between analogue and digital. As said in another thread, you can chose to represent your binary information using orange vs apple, black smoke vs white smoke, any sort of modulated radiowave, light (which is the same) or any support you want, as long as you use the proper error correction code (and theory of information give you all the mathematical tools to chose the right one), this does not change anything. The support/carrier does not influence the information, where in analogue it does. LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Euphony Audio
edwardthern wrote: > Yes RIP's can and do sound different. You should use a very high quality > DVD drive with the best software you can find. No they don't - that the fundemental nature of digital processing and the whole mathematical theory sustaining it that you misunderstand and confuse with analogue signal. In digital, with the right error correction code, you can copy the same information as many time as you want, it does not matter, there is no loss because the physical support of the information has no influence: it can be optical, electrical, magnetic, white or black smoke, apple and oranges, it does not matter. A bit represented by an apple is not better than a bit represented by a black smoke. The carried "symbol" matters, not what is used to carry it. In analogue, the signal and its support are mangled. LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106578 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Euphony Audio
Jeff07971 wrote: > I wonder wether jitter can be quantum entangled ? :) That's a nice one :) I know you're joking, but seriously, being on some LMS plugin development and also having a signal processing theory's background, I can guarantee that there is no correlation between what the data source does and a potential jitter at playback. Players do buffer a lot of audio data, that's part of the LMS protocol. Sources are simply asynchronous HTTP servers that know nothing about what even jitter means. The way the synchronization protocol works in LMS has nothing to do with how the source provides audio sample. I've implemented an AirPlay to LMS bridge that provide sync between the two "sync logics/domains", so I know that for a fact. I'm not part of any audiophile battle, I just read the posts from time to time and wanted to give some insights. LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106578 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnects and Power leads. Snake Oil?
scoob101 wrote: > I`ve got a transporter connected via RCA`s to a Yamaha RX-V653, which > drives a pair of Monitor Audio BX-5 Bronze speakers. > > I`m pretty pleased with the sound. Bags of detail, loads better sound > than my old duet. > > However, my mate (who`s opinion is not usually mental) says that > interconnects and power leads can made a big (read noticeable) > improvement in sound. > > Thoughts? In the forums opinion, is this actually worth spending money > on? > > If so, recommendations? Think about the length of wires inside your walls and to the meter and how well all this has probably been done. A passive 10 cm power cable at the bottom of the line will not improve things and it has to be pretty bad to degrade them - total snake oil LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.
Julf wrote: > http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=5680 > > "I'm going to start a YouTube channel and podcast this summer and will > be challenging some of the claims made by companies selling snake oil. > Power cords are on my list. If anyone...and end user or dealer or > manufacturer...can lend me a very expensive power cord, I would love to > be able to do a scientific comparison between a "state-of-the-art" power > cord and one the one that came with my Benchmark DAC2 (which is what > they recommend be used with their gear). It is possible to measure any > differences between them. My guess is that they won't be any > different...but I'll try to keep an open mind." > > I hope he still writes up his experiences too, I am more of a reader > than a youtube-watcher. He has an admirable patience ... testing power cord is beyond my nervous ability :) I can see how you can degrade things if you have a cord that is 50 years old, spent some time in water and has been chewed by a few rats, but other than that, an improvement by using 50cm of just passive cable that follows 20m of wires installed by a guy with a hammer and a screwdriver is black magic ... anyway LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105507 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.
I have to say that these power cable improvement statements are pretty mind blowing. I'm usually silent on these posts, but what amazes me is that, even if you know nothing about technology or science, how can't you ask yourself the question why the 10's meters of pedestrian cable in your home don't matter and suddenly 30cm extra cable will change everything - this is (way) beyond my ability LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105507 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Measurements are to a Stereophile equipment review as science is to a > Star Wars movie. Be careful, if you start to throw Star Wars, into the mix, we are entering into a very serious topic now, for real :) EVERY audio gear sounds better after having watched the proper episode of the serie LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Once again - does wav sound different than flac?
marcoc1712 wrote: > Short One: None. > Long One: None, if not in very, very, very poor or broken systems. > > Always IMHO. Yeah ... I probably should not jump in here but I cannot resist :). It is very difficult to agree with the connection between CPU load and any sort of impact on audio (through noise being aliased in audible band). Frankly, the correlation, if any, is extremely thin and complicated. An example (just an example) is that what can matter in term of digitally generate noise, if you want to go there, can be the cyclic nature of your processing and how that creates a pattern that aliases wrongly through many routes, including your DC/DC converters. So here, lower CPU with patterns can be more problematic that constant high CPU that is more out of band noise. I guess what I'm trying to say is that driving correlation on a sort of chaotic system is usually (by definiton) impossible. If you talk about an overloaded system that does not have enough horse pwoer to keep up with the data stream it has to handle / produce, this is different, but I don't think this was the topic here. LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Once again - does wav sound different than flac?
Some might have misunderstood my question :) I'm not seeking for a response to the technical question (large part of my academic background is in correction codes theory ...), but I'm trying to gauge the "belief mindset" of who said that wav and flac are different and that aiff and apple lossless are different as well LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Once again - does wav sound different than flac?
netchord wrote: > yes, it does. Just for curiosity, for you, if I stream a file from Paris to New York, once in flac and once in wav and if that file is processed by LMS in New York before being sent in PCM (both cases) to a transporter on the New York kcal home network, will it sound different LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Marantz NA6005
ralphpnj wrote: > Thanks Clive! > > Since all this DIY stuff looks like fun, perhaps I'll dip my toes into > the DIY waters this winter You should :-) This is really fun and really yours at the end ! LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Audiophile Sound and Operating Systems. (Windows 8.1, Windows 10...)
Mnyb wrote: > Aaargh this is completely silly :D if tou cant hear an insulated single > tone at -80dB'ish ( say -90 if your normal listening levels are > completely deafening and wall ratling ) > sitting in your listening position , how are you suposed to hear > changes at -144 to -138 dB while music is playing with well understood > masking effects . > > Was it not some old test in the 80's where they mixed in a marching band > in the least significant bits on some music track and absolutely no one > could hear any difference . > > What we have here is the usual myth that everything matters and > everything is audible. > I have nothing against technical perfection , i'm all for it :) but why > the dishonesty when marketing the thing thats just sad . > Bit if your core byers expect every improvement to be audible in > isolation you probably get this result . > > What about a more down to earth approach . If i assembly a hifi system > where each component is much better than our capacity to discern any > flaws the combined system must in the end be darn good I know, the masking effect was just a joke (although it is very apparent in many cases), but seriously saying that he can hear in such range an notice a 1 bit difference in a 147 dB dynamic range makes no sense. With the same gain, if you hear the 1 bit, then the 24bits will kill you, even if played later and if the 24 bits don't kill you, the amp gain is such that the 1 bit, you can't hear it. Anyway, another late post that should have stayd on my computer :) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104136 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Audiophile Sound and Operating Systems. (Windows 8.1, Windows 10...)
Archimago wrote: > Interesting readings Wombat - bad for your health reading too much > though! Swenson commented: > > > Interesting nobody questioned him what piece of music this was... What > song? What segment with 2 backup singers? Do I or anyone else need a > Regen to hear them clearly if we played the song as is on our systems? I > find it interesting this reverence of claims and the lack of any demands > on these purveyors of claims to either demonstrate or bring forward > evidence concrete enough to observe for oneself! > > As for Tony Lauck: > > > Right... Whether "isolation" is a problem or not, let's put that aside. > But what's with this claim of -24th bit being audible-!? That's below > -138dB. What DAC in this world is even capable of accurately reproducing > that 24th bit for anyone to even assess whether human ears can determine > the "sound" of that last bit? As also alluded to by others, it's bizarre > to even think this last bit is important in the context of music when > any recorded piece has noise levels significantly higher... > > Again, did anyone call him out on this claim? How did he come to this > conclusion; it would certainly be useful for these people to provide > some concrete rationale for these beliefs... Yet the typical refrain is > that we "do not know how to measure what can be heard". (I guess it > never occurred to these people that what "is heard" is as much a > function of the attention mechanism as it is the ears' acuity.) Well, you're just facing supermen. He can, at the same time, stand by a launching rocket and hear a pin dropping by the rocket LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104136 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Audiophile Sound and Operating Systems. (Windows 8.1, Windows 10...)
The 2015 vintage wine is out and after 2 bottles, I can tell that combined with Win10, it makes sound better :) PS: Archimango, this is really said with a friendly spirit, not agressive or viciously sarcastic, but I couldn't help, sorry LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104136 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
doctor_big wrote: > So what did you decide, Philippe? I'm sure that this thread has been an > invaluable resource. > > Jason Not fully decided yet, but I received a lot of good advice (although the thread got derailed a bit). I will certainly start with used equipment, as recommended. LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
Julf wrote: > I can relate to that - as I might have stated before, English is my > third language (the first and second were Swedish and Finnish), and I > have pretty much lost all my German since learning Dutch (I have been > living here in Amsterdam since 1997). It does help that my wife is > American and teaches English (literature)... :) And frankly speaking, Swedish people are notably good in English while French are notably bad - education Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
Julf wrote: > No, I think what philippe is saying is "I don't care if it is high > fidelity or not - if it is pleasing, it is pleasing". Yes, thank you - not being English-native makes it extra-difficult sometimes :( LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
arnyk wrote: > Any nonlinearity is irrelevant to your listening experience if you can't > hear it, which is likely. > > Another false premise. If you can hear distortion then it has a great > deal with fidelity, since audible distortion destroys fidelity. This is why I meant - this is not *about* fidelity any more because with non-linearity, fidelity is gone Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
And thank for all the answers with references, it will help me making up my decision in the coming weeks Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
arnyk wrote: > It is generally agreed upon based on scientific sensory evaluation that > most if not virtually all good food tastes different, but there is no > corresponding agreement about the SQ of good audio components, so the > comparison that seems to be made above makes no sense. This is not what my I meant: I wanted to say different food made of good quality ingredients can taste good or bad to me, but the only way to know is to taste. So the non-linearity of a tube amp might work for me and I might like the aesthetic. (Although I can certainly digitally reproduce the non-linearities to try first). Nothing to do with the fidelity, as it is distortion. Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
And I'm not saying that I will not at this occasion learn ABX test for the exact same reason to, with amusement, evaluate my own subjectivity. But, to continue my parallel with food, as a travel a bunch, I also try the local food, supposedly in good places, but not extra fancy neither. I smell, look, chew carefully, let the impression got on my tongue and palet to maximize sensorial effects and see the resulting pleasure. - this is nothing but my impression and in some cases I purposely decide to accept the bias for what it is Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
arnyk wrote: > I can pretty well guarantee you that whatever you do, it won't really be > a test and it won't be unaffected by your preconceptions. I absolutely and fully get that. The 'test' is purely for myself, not to start saying loudly here and there that X or Y 'is' better because I 'felt' it like that. Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
arnyk wrote: > Why waste a set of good speakers on a tubed amp? Just to try if like or not the difference. No pre-conceived ideas but a test. At least these recent discussions motivated me to try different things and make my own opinion. Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
Budget I don't have a precise idea, I just don't want to go ridiculously high. Room is about 40m2 and listen to classical jazz LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question on equipment
In the audiophile forum of LMS, where I hope people are usually reasonnable, what would be your advice for a good pair of speakers and a tube amplifier (I've always wanted to try one). Nothing extra fancy, but a "reasonnable" budget. Please no fights here, my question is candide, no hidden intention to create another flame war. Thank you LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Seeking suggestions for a new term/label
darrenyeats wrote: > Are you referring to my post here > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103842-Is-anybody-sick-of-the-recent-spate-of-threads&p=823638&viewfull=1#post823638? > If so, I think what I wrote is very different to how you've understood > it. You're right and I apologize - I was just trying to remember from memory some of the things that made me jump and this came back to me (I did not quote or named you though, so there was no personal attack). But things like that http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm melted my brain, to be honest. Again, it is totally okay to say that NAS1 integrates much nicer than NAS2 into an elegant audio setup, or that it has a much better user interface, but the 2 poor flac files are the same when buffered into the network audio streamer LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Seeking suggestions for a new term/label
doctor_big wrote: > S > PS: > Did you ever - just for a second - think that this sub-forum was created > just so that there WAS a place where these audiophiles you so love to > ridicule (and get a cheap buzz from doing so) could talk about cables > and stuff without having to deal with you bunch of cheerless bullies? > Why do you glean such a sour pleasure from ridiculing and name-calling a > group that really doesn't want anything to do with you? Why not leave > them in peace in a nice, damp little corner of this forum? What sad > character flaws do you have that this activity soothes? Point taken, but although not being involved in these flame wars, I recently had to see them through the invasion of the "what's new" timeline that was eaten up by the audiophile sub-forum. I think what is making the people with a scientific background (over) reacting is when some people are in denial of simple scientific facts on the principle "are you sure, there might be something you don't know, open up". I even admit that I'm jumping a bit when I see discussions like "a file transmitted by email sounded more echo-ish" ... well no, this is the same file and I can explain and demonstrate the theory of code correction. But there is nothing wrong to have a better experience with an equipment that looks more refined or that you took hours to setup and polish. It sounds better to you and this is not "imagination", this is just adding extra sensorial factors to the experience, but factors that have nothing to do with the sound characteristics. And the experience is unique, is yours. On another discussion, I was making the parallel with eating: I can make the (almost) exact same meal at the molecular level and serve it at the same T°. Now, if you serve this to me in a nice and quiet restaurant, nice plates and glasses, polite waiter on a cool summer evening, I will probably tell you that the food tastes much better than the same one served in a noisy place, in plastic plates & glasses and with a waiter throwing meal at my table - and it *does* taste better and that experience can be repeated as many times as you want. But that's me. Some might have no sensitivity to the loudness of the restaurant and won't see any difference. That would be as foolish from me to try to prove the difference by some effect at the food atomic level as it would be foolish to say that because things are the same at atomic level, then all of us have to feel the same eating experience/pleasure. This is not relativism of everything, but just recognition of the multi-factor aspect of listening experience whose only some part can be quantified, but at least let's not waste our time on arguing on the quantifiable parts when they are the same. LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Seeking suggestions for a new term/label
ralphpnj wrote: > > > So again I ask: what would any self respecting audiophile be doing on > the Slimdevices forum? > > And just in case I'm not making myself perfectly clear: many of us on > this forum have abandoned the world of high end audio and audiophiles in > much the same that high end audio and audiophiles abandoned the very > serious and high quality music streaming offered by the Squeezebox line > of music streaming devices. > > So don't think of this section as "audiophile" in the normal sense of > the word but rather as "audiophile" defined by a $300 device with > plastic case, which is isn't audiophile at all. The voice (sound) of reason :) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
arnyk wrote: > By now it should be quite clear that you failed. I wonder how long it > will take you to recognize that. > I tried, this exchange proves that I failed, I recognise that and to be consistent with my objective I withdraw from this discussion LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
No sorry arny I have a master's degree in digital signal processing and theory of information and 30 years of experience, so I'm not sure I fall into the subjectivist category (not bragging, this is just my background) - I'm just trying to continue to contribute to this forum in a enjoyable and efficient manner, picking up fights. All I'm trying to say is that no one will end up changing mind here and this probably not an influential forum for such topics - that's all LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Guys - As I tried to say before, this discussion is killing the "what's new" feature of this forum. Would you agree that each camp knows that it will not convince the other side, even after billions of messages? I understand that both camp want to make sure that 'uneducated' people (and that definition is of course totally different depending on which side you're on) are not being mislead, but I'm not sure the LMS forums is very influencial for people looking to find their way in that domain. I'm sure they are more important places to conduct that fight. So, out of respect for others can the wise guys stop that war by not feeding the fight? Thank you LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Can I, politely, ask you to consider, out of respect for all other members that try to follow this forum using timeline, to move to a private email group ? Please LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Archimago wrote: > Thanks for the notes guys... Appreciate the knowledgeable input based on > experience! Sounds like quite the undertaking to graft the DSP > processing in. > > philippe_44: you may not consider yourself an "audiophile", but I do > think there are many kinds of audiophiles. And you're the kind that this > hobby needs more of! Thanks :o LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Julf wrote: > Technically it shouldn't be that hard. > > Unfortunately that means that while the algorithms might be copyable, > none of the code is. And the algorithms aren't really rocket science > anyway - again a case of "yes, the easy 10% is done, now it is just the > 90% of hard, boring work". :-/ > > Lesson? Please don't use platform-specific languages/tools/libraries Yep, that's exactly the point. Building the walls of a house is reasonably "easy & quick" although it *must* be very well done if you want it to last, but all the finishing takes forever :) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Archimago wrote: > Interesting this discussion about Inguz after all these years and the > link between this and the other discussion regarding the future of > digital audio and DRC... > > -How I wish there was a way to integrate the DSP engine (eg. Inguz) into > LMS itself.- A way to have access to EQ (maybe just a simple list format > to enter some parametric data or likewise simple graphic EQ > adjustments), room correction, channel balance, upsampling, right into > the Player > Audio settings. No need for Silverlight for adjustments. > Compatibility with all architectures (of course more powerful CPU needed > for complex processing). > > Due to the issues such as the ones in this thread, I've been doing > things the "long way". Whitebear Server to link LMS library to JRiver > via DLNA/UPnP. Then using the JRiver 20 DSP engine to process the DLNA > stream with room correction filters and sending out to my Transporter. > > It works, is reasonably stable. But has all the deficits of DLNA/UPnP > and is inefficient. > > I would imagine this as the next evolutionary step for LMS for the > technical / audiophile crowd. Has anyone done work on this? I see that > the source code for Inguz is available on github as Visual C# files so > the algos are already out there for someone who knows what they're doing > :rolleyes:. I've experienced that for a LMS plugin to get enough interest, you must make it available on various platforms, Window, Linux x86 *and* ARM and some Atom and also to a lower extend OSX x86. Took me a lot of effort to do that despite I started from various elements that were already multi-platforms. Inguz seems to (I'm not using it so I might be wrong) be written in C# and fully dependant on msft 'stuff'. You can try to use mono, but I'm not sure how well it would work. So just to say that is sounds to me like a lot of work to re-do the integration into a generic LMS system. Other than that, you can stream directly from LMS to JRiver with the plugin I've done :) (although I'm struggling currently with a flac issue for JRiver, but you can use PCM) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
peace ? LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Piss take or serious?
You're right - and even w/o that wait a couple of 100M years and earth atmosphere will have vanished and a few other billions and our red giant will expand beyond our orbit :) why bother LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103830 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Piss take or serious?
Mnyb wrote: > Oh no search for machinadynamica on the net ( geof kait runs > machinadynamica ) you find all kinds off silly gadgets like the clever > little clock and this gem the intelligent box > http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/machinadynamica2/ib.html > WTF ... really, for my mental health, I'll pretend it is an April's fool day joke LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103830 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Piss take or serious?
Then and if some believe it, this is a mix of sad, terrifying, laughable and infuriating. LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103830 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Piss take or serious?
Come-on, it has to be a joke 'May the force be with you' LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103830 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 10 thoughts on audiophilia
garym wrote: > I saw this posted elsewhere recently. Worth repeating here. 10 thoughts > on audiophelia: > > http://www.theaudiocritic.com/audio-legacy-2/ > > There are too many good quotes to start listing here. But it's a short > read, well worth it. Good to read something accurate (the whole thing) - but most important, work on your speakers, not on your analogue cables. Not mentionned digital ones ... LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103587 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cable burn in
MichaelJ wrote: > It's been my experience that perception changes over timecables > remain constant. Being a signal processing engineer, I'd really like to understand the physics at play in cable burn-in when they are so far away from any of their limit (I don't think we are counting oxydation, right :) and I can't see metal structural changes looking at the "modest" energy that goes through these). For some products I manufacture, we do burn-in, but there is a logic there why the normal use is close enough to some of the semicon limits so that brun-in/aging precipitate some changes / failures LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103502 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Monday Morning Howler
ralphpnj wrote: > It's Monday and that means a brand new piece of audiophile voodoo for > you to enjoy: > > http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/first-listen-audioquest-diamond-usb-cable/?utm_campaign=Hi-Fi%2B+Weekly+Emails&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-365 > > Note: please read while sitting down and make sure that is nothing on > hand to hurl at your monitor. In any event it does make for a most > amusing read and don't forget to check out the comments section, perhaps > even funnier than the main article. $700 for a USB cable ... I guess I'm going to start a new business :) Seriously, it is amazing to see that people can write such non-sense. Well, at least it is not as bad as not "miracle medecine" that can really hurt LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103512 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Mnyb wrote: > It is a slight possibility to inject noise at the last leg , but as > Archimagos measurment shows it does not actually happen in practice with > normal equipment he uses rather crummy switches etc to hammer in the > piont . And if the player has some of the shelf recovering circuit it > would also work just fine . > > The ethernet interface is engineered to be rather trouble free . It > would be rare exceptional cases when this do not work . It is two > current loops with isolation in both ends rather low impedance in bot > sender and reciever so it's not prone to pick up noise by design . > > In industrial environments you could sometimes use shielded cat cables , > but at home they are not necessary and actually could be one of these > rare cases when can get a noise problem ! so the default is not to use > shielded cat cables at home then you migth just connect the computer > ground to your hifi ground . > > So in practical use you don't see weird noise transfer that interfere > with the DAC it would pop out in this kind of test . > > And the kicker is that if you have this exceptionally rare problem an > audiophile cable is not the solution :) they don't provide anything you > could not get in another cable from a normal vendor . And if they do > it's often of spec " modifications " that makes them worse than standard > cables . ah ... funny enough I thought that the point made by these guys was the noise generated BY the cable that could impact the D/A process (again in very close proximity - and to that point, yes an RF signal - spurious or not - can have an impact on an analogue baseband signal). If the objective of these cables if to protect the cable FROM interferences with the fear that the "bits will be damaged" then this is really funny ... :rolleyes: LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Julf wrote: > Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the > demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't > matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to > isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I > guess routers)... Quick question: you've lost me here ... I fully agree with you wrt the insanities I'm reading like "this NAS or this hardrive is giving a much deeper sound" - this is laughable, but intermediate steps do not matter, they really don't. Your signal can come from Mars, being encoded with a on a RF carrier with any sort of phase, frequency, amplitude, spreading modulation, then carried light (EM still) on optical fiber cables, then transmitted by people beating drums if you want, it does not matter at all - that's why we have invented error correction codes, to make all this lossless (oh well, okay, yes, the BER is never 0 but it can be as low as you want, as long as you do not try to violate Shannon's theorem). But, when you do the D/A conversion, this is where shit happens and this where also noise can be re-injected by some proximity interferers - but this is very close proximity, not the ethernet cable between my computer source and the next switch. Maybe I missed your point LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Archimago wrote: > > Worse when you have supposed "professionals" like Cookie Marenco talk > like this (see 'message #12 here' > (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-music-downloads-and-streaming/sound-better-uncompressed-downloaded-files-6158/)). > "If you can't hear the difference between an original CD and a copy of > your CD, you might as well give up your career as a tester." Oh my... > Thanks for posting that, it made my day :) We should send these guys to a crash course on the mathematical proofs wrt analogue to digital domain tranformation and on error codes ... this is so funny. Having said that, if they want to believe that the sun rotates around the earth ... LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl
Unfortunately much more than they do really know, I agree :) ... and this is what enjoyment should never be: rationalized. Try, experience and the 'good' thing is what you like, at the end LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103078 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl
What is interesting is too see again "more is better" which is really BS. As somebody else pointed out in another thread, it is confusion between perception, psychology and theory. 16 bits @ 44.1KHz gives you a certain quantity of information (in the meaning of information's theory) and this is math, not black magic and not open for "opinion". 24 bits @ 192 kHz gives you more, but totally marginal for human senses. Now it is about what you do with that quantity of information: all sort of pre and post processing (including cigar and cognac) will absolutely change *a lot* the listening experience, no doubt, but you can get this wide range of results with 16/44.1, do not need to use the excuse of bitrate LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103078 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian's MQA - a few thoughts, possible concerns...
pablolie wrote: > damn you, you made me spit out a perfectly fine mouthful of sauvignon > blanc.. :-D Sorry for the wine, but that was too tempting :) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102934 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian's MQA - a few thoughts, possible concerns...
pablolie wrote: > we talk about money, and yet how successfully are encoding algorithms > when it comes to monetization? even the MP3 inventors gave up on it. > > i would get the software business motivation, hey, audiophile software, > subscription fees... sure. my posts in these very forums are still out > there when i said that Slimdevices or Logitech ought to have charged for > an LMS subscription license, the value was always more in the server > even though the streaming boxes were always great. but how Meridian > hopes to establish such a model with MQA is beyond me. no self > respecting competitor is going to adopt their stuff for obvious reasons. > unless they use it as a nice (yet meaningless) wrapper for products that > look and are priced a lot like Squeezeboxes, and the server streams in > MQA to the boxes, oh great, and the server software is sold as it should > - pay for updates. > > but with MQA i don't see the mega business opportunity out there. the > differentiation is questionable. the partner landscape limited. and > audiophiles don't care of it's MQA or DSD or two squirrels doing it in a > box as long as it sounds great and looks premium. I have to say that brown squirrels produce less jitter and a much richer sound - still, I've been told that the quality of nuts helps as well, although I still need to do a scientific experiment LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102934 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From the "You can't make this stuff up" files
Mnyb wrote: > That and buffers :) afaik the bit streams is interleaved L/R and coded > with some way so that the error correction code can work . Was year > since I've read about the Solomon reed coding . > > But the player decodes and buffer and then it's clock decides at what > precision the data leave the player . > > If you ever want to overkill this , you can do like meridian on some of > their disc spinners use DVD rom drives and read the disc at greater than > playback speed use a larger buffer and then you have time to revisit and > re-read problem spots . > > This is ofcourse also made obsolete by simply ripping the disc ... I don't remember the exact number, but any decent player have a bit error rate, after use of error correction code, of less than 10^-10. Good enough for my ears ;) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From the "You can't make this stuff up" files
Apesbrain wrote: > Still around: > http://www.cec-web.co.jp/products/cdplayer/tl0x/tl0x_e.html This is so ridiculous when you have a small idea (even a very small idea) of what error correction code is ... having said that, the object looks nice and they could perfectly sell it for design purpose ... but all that technical BS covering is almost an insult to intelligence LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) ---- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From the "You can't make this stuff up" files
bonze wrote: > Are these SATA cables you were looking for? > > http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/03/26/wiredream-silver-sata/1 > > although they do seem on the cheap side This is so funny - almost choked up laughing. i also like the conclusion of the article above In a quick personal ranking to date, covering all these tests, my notes put the Kingston SSD's sound quality first with hindsight more a cerebral than an emotional choice then the QNAP2, followed by either of the 2.5in drives in the Synology DS411slim. QNAP2 still had perhaps the most engaging bass performance of the crop, but its involving musicality came at the expense of a somewhat narrower soundstage. i want the 'engaging bass performance', so i ditched all my existing NAS LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From the "You can't make this stuff up" files
ralphpnj wrote: > A recent thread on Head-fi > (http://www.head-fi.org/t/750478/a-listening-test-of-nass) featured a > link to this lovely bit of audiophile nonsense > (http://enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm). > As I say in the thread title, you can't make this stuff up! This has to be a joke. i have an engineering degree in signal processing, but I've never been paying attention to the audiophile side of things. Now, saying that songs sound different when played from different storage is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. if you want a golden plated NAS because it visually fit better with your equipment its fine, but dont tell me it sounds different. It is embarrassing for whoever wrote that, to be so clueless of what they are talking about LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) -------- philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...
pablolie wrote: > honestly i dont think why some people have such an emotional reaction to > someone blowing 10k on a USB cable. i think it silly, but hey, i think > it is a bigger societal issue that doesn't fall under audio. it's just > some people don't really know what to do with their money, and hence > they blow it on bs, and it's always been that way. i do not fault the > people that manage to make a financial gain from that. suckers come in > all financial guises. if you think audio is bad, geez, check out art > galleries in your area... :-) free Roederer Crystal but sponsor this > young artist by paying $50k for his painting of what seems to be a > melting triangle and a banana going at it... > all of us that engage in things audiophile seem a tad off to the vast > majority of people out there. my SO looked at me like i was insane when > i got a new amp and speakers about a month ago, saying "it sounds just > as great as your old stuff, uhm, why?" and i heard some hidden > resentment about me not buying her an LV bag instead. :-) i think every > audiophile thread should start like an AA meeting, going "hey, i am > flawed and irrationally attached to this stuff". > in the improbable case i become a billionaire, i don't exclude my > purchasing weird unobtanium cables for 20k out of the realm of > possibility because... i could. :-) > the big unanswered question is - where exactly do we draw the line of > utter silly irrationality? i don't own a 100k system, but me ex and my > current girlfriend for one both seem to think i am beyond it. because i > lose it when the cleaning lady moves my speakers by an inch. because i > buy a $400 headphone extension cable for Xmas for myself. because my > first request upon buying a house was a 10% of house value allocation to > a new stereo (this was in 1999 in california, so home prices were a bit > more judicious). because even i think sometimes my urge to get that > additional 1% of resolution is tragically self defeating. :-D > there are fantastic systems to be had out there these days for less than > $1kUS total. totally and thoroughly satisfying stuff. so let's admit it > - all of us that move beyond that are seduced by a siren's call, and > it's not a bad thing. but let's just not get too judgmental about the > way others decided to get their kick out of this. I agree with you and, although I should probably never have jumped to that thread, but I assume where some have emotional reaction or are "upset" is when there is an absurd tentative to rationalize the fact that, e.g, tomorrow, 128 bits audio :) will be necessary. As you pointed out, it is like art: if you like it and want to spend a lot on it, it is your choice but there is no rationale (right or wrong) about it and _this_is_fine_, no need to build one ! LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
nicoff wrote: > I started this thread long ago and would like to share with everyone > where I am today. I followed this thread and did lots of research. > Separate DACs/Streamers, etc. But I wanted something simple, > a-la-Transporter! > > I read about the Oppo 105D player and its streaming capabilities. It > could stream hi-Rez files, DSD files etc., and since I needed to upgrade > my DVD/CD player, I thought I would give it a try. The Oppo is a great > DVD/CD/Blue-Ray player, but as a streamer, in my opinion, it leaves much > to be desired. The GUI and App that controls the unit do not compare to > LMS. So let's just say that it did not work for me. > > Someone in this thread mentioned the Sony HAP-Z1ES unit earlier, but I > soon learned that the Sony is NOT a streamer like the Transporter. The > Sony has an internal hard drive and all music has to be stored in that > hard drive. I felt that since I already had all my music in the NAS, it > was going to be a pain to get my music into the Sony, and then if I add > music to my NAS what happens? Well, recently, an audiophile friend > mentioned, again, the Sony HAP-Z1ES as a possible solution. I read some > more and learned that while it is not a streamer, it comes with a > software app that can automatically transfer all your files from the NAS > to the internal Sony hard drive and will keep it updated as you make > changes to the NAS. Long story short, I bought the Sony and transferred > all my music to its internal hard drive. it took about 24 hours to move > the files (almost 11 thousand tracks) from the NAS to the Sony, but it > all happened in the background while I was doing other stuff. The same > software will keep both the NAS and the Sony hard drive in sync. This is > important because I still have other slim devices in the house that > connect to the NAS via LMS (I am not giving those devices up yet). > > So long story short, I spent several hours comparing the Transporter and > the Sony and without hesitation I can say that the Sony betters the > Transporter in sound. The Sony does NOT have digital outputs so I was > thinking that there was no way it could better the Transporter. It did! > > > The Sony has a very nice GUI that is a pleasure to use. It also has > internet radio (no Pandora or Spotify yet, but who knows, that might be > added in the future). All in all, I am very happy with the Sony as a > replacement for the Transporter. I am still keeping the Transporter > though... > > By the way, if you are into 2 channel stereo, you MUST listen to the > Sony. (I listen to both stereo and surround). > > Thanks to all who chimed in with suggestions/ideas!! A different suggestion is the plugin I've developped that allows any upnp or dlna player to be integrated in LMS as a regular LMS player and use the normal web GUI or your favorite Ipeng to control it philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
