Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:37 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:43 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > >> it may look like an easy win for a prosecutor who needs a run in the win >> column. >> > > So why should effective law enforcement be treated with such contempt? The > Prosecutor's job is to prosecute and to win cases. What is wrong with that? > Nothing in particular. Anyone dim enough not check with the lawyers before pulling out the checkbook to buy a story deserves what they get. I just don't see a prosecutor pursuing this sort of thing without being fairly certain of win. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
I'll take a ford gt over those foreign screamers. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > At least you can buy neat looking cars that perform also. > > Makes it more fun to drive. > > Stewart > > > > At 10:14 PM 4/27/2010, you wrote: > >> And if yer lucky and live in France, maybe you can get your car burned up! >> >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:02 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: >> >> > >> > Move to France and get TV, phone, Internet, cellular for $33/mo total. >> But >> > you can't have that in the US. Too bad. Your elected representatives >> think >> > they're supposed to represent the telcos instead of the customers. >> > >> > Betty >> > >> > >> > >> > >> * >> > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy >> ** >> > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> > >> * >> > >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
At least you can buy neat looking cars that perform also. Makes it more fun to drive. Stewart At 10:14 PM 4/27/2010, you wrote: And if yer lucky and live in France, maybe you can get your car burned up! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:02 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > Move to France and get TV, phone, Internet, cellular for $33/mo total. But > you can't have that in the US. Too bad. Your elected representatives think > they're supposed to represent the telcos instead of the customers. > > Betty > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
Too true you could stream quite a few car-b-ques on that fast network. Haven't ever heard of 30,000 cars getting torched in LA or Miami or The Bronx... On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:06 PM, betty wrote: > And if yer lucky and live in France, maybe you can get your car burned up! >> >> > I don't plan to go to the Paris or Marseille projects. Same could happen if > you lived in the south Bronx, or east L.A. or Miami. > > At least if you lived in the Paris projects you could watch it all > happening out the window, on your cell phone, on TV, PC, faster, and pay > much less than in the US. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
Haven't heard anything about attempts to return the phone before Giz bought it..? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:59 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:37 PM, t.piwowar wrote > > > So why should effective law enforcement be treated with such contempt? > The > > Prosecutor's job is to prosecute and to win cases. What is wrong with > that? > > You are presuming that the efforts of law enforcement in this case > were and/or are effective. We do know that they did manage to smash > through the front door of a home, so that much they can do. However, > their seizure of equipment and personal property is suspect and may > well have been illegal. I also do not believe there is any talk of > prosecution at this juncture because no one has been charged with any > crime. > > I wonder what party pushed to have the police to become involved in > this situation? Apple Corp. is a corporate partner with the division > of law enforcement that conducted the search of the home and the > seizure of equipment in possession of the editor of Gizmodo who is > said to have been in possession of the iPhone that had been abandoned, > allegedly sold and then returned to Apple. > > It is claimed by the original finder of the lost iPhone, as well as > by Gizmodo, that early attempts to return the phone to the presumed > owner, Apple Corp., were rebuffed and/or ignored. Most likely, the > calls to Apple Corp. about the found phone were considered to be a > hoax or in reference to some iPhone "knock-off." Those initial return > attempts could not get past the first-tier call takers at Apple which > meant that no one higher up at Apple was reachable. That being the > case, the phone was apparently sold to Gizmodo, inspected, and then > handed over to apple upon request. Then came the raid. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:37 PM, t.piwowar wrote > So why should effective law enforcement be treated with such contempt? The > Prosecutor's job is to prosecute and to win cases. What is wrong with that? You are presuming that the efforts of law enforcement in this case were and/or are effective. We do know that they did manage to smash through the front door of a home, so that much they can do. However, their seizure of equipment and personal property is suspect and may well have been illegal. I also do not believe there is any talk of prosecution at this juncture because no one has been charged with any crime. I wonder what party pushed to have the police to become involved in this situation? Apple Corp. is a corporate partner with the division of law enforcement that conducted the search of the home and the seizure of equipment in possession of the editor of Gizmodo who is said to have been in possession of the iPhone that had been abandoned, allegedly sold and then returned to Apple. It is claimed by the original finder of the lost iPhone, as well as by Gizmodo, that early attempts to return the phone to the presumed owner, Apple Corp., were rebuffed and/or ignored. Most likely, the calls to Apple Corp. about the found phone were considered to be a hoax or in reference to some iPhone "knock-off." Those initial return attempts could not get past the first-tier call takers at Apple which meant that no one higher up at Apple was reachable. That being the case, the phone was apparently sold to Gizmodo, inspected, and then handed over to apple upon request. Then came the raid. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
And if yer lucky and live in France, maybe you can get your car burned up! I don't plan to go to the Paris or Marseille projects. Same could happen if you lived in the south Bronx, or east L.A. or Miami. At least if you lived in the Paris projects you could watch it all happening out the window, on your cell phone, on TV, PC, faster, and pay much less than in the US. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
And if yer lucky and live in France, maybe you can get your car burned up! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:02 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > Move to France and get TV, phone, Internet, cellular for $33/mo total. But > you can't have that in the US. Too bad. Your elected representatives think > they're supposed to represent the telcos instead of the customers. > > Betty > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
my promo fios ran its' course. so, since i had a really lot of time to waste, i tried to renew online. i cannot renew on line, as i am an existing customer. all packages on line are promo packages and are for new customers. for the "triple play"(tv,computer, telephone), the telephone person gave me 3 options . lo,mid,hi:$120,130, and 145. two year package, with a $360 pro rated early cancellation penalty. i had a $110 cost for the middle package. the mid pack is 5/20 up/down. the hi pack was 30/30. big push (lots of sales ups) to get me to get that wonderful speed. after starting on acoustical modems, 5/20 seems pretty fast to me. If there are two people at the address, you can cancel one and re-up new in the other name. Then you can get the promo overcharge instead of the existing customer overcharge. You're lucky. We can't get FIOS. "Nobody" lives in this county. Move to France and get TV, phone, Internet, cellular for $33/mo total. But you can't have that in the US. Too bad. Your elected representatives think they're supposed to represent the telcos instead of the customers. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:43 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: it may look like an easy win for a prosecutor who needs a run in the win column. So why should effective law enforcement be treated with such contempt? The Prosecutor's job is to prosecute and to win cases. What is wrong with that? Perhaps we should start a list of registered anarchists so that when your house catches fire we'll know not to send the fire department or when you get robbed we'll know not to send the police? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] fios renewal was:Digital TV [Was: Broadband Speeds Map]
>my promo fios ran its' course. so, since i had a really lot of time to waste, >i tried to renew online. i cannot renew on line, as i am an existing >customer. all packages on line are promo packages and are for new customers. for the "triple play"(tv,computer, telephone), the telephone person gave me 3 options . lo,mid,hi:$120,130, and 145. two year package, with a $360 pro rated early cancellation penalty. i had a $110 cost for the middle package. the mid pack is 5/20 up/down. the hi pack was 30/30. big push (lots of sales ups) to get me to get that wonderful speed. after starting on acoustical modems, 5/20 seems pretty fast to me. they will not show in writing what is in any of the packages. they will not show in writing what is in the cancellation package(that's 360 bucks). i got some verbal stuff, but did not tape it, and do not believe they would honor it , anyway. i had received a letter from verizon notifying me that my 130 promo mid package was expiring, and going from 110 to 120. this has no cancel penalty. so i took the mid package at 120. i received an email conformation that i have renewed. my new mid pack is $125. i just got a hard copy promo letter from Comcast for their "triple play" for $99. anyone have this package? any ideas what is in the package in the way of speeds and feeds and HD channels? REGARDS jerry gerald slawecki home 301 839 9009 cell 301 233 2248 fax 301 839 9008 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] McAfee vs. MS Security Essentials
It might be the time to run McAfee, can they screw up that bad again? I run Avast free edition atm. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:21 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: > >> Which is best for Windows 7: Run McAfee, run MS Security essentials, or >> run both? >> > > Did not MS assure us that this time they got the security thing right? Why > should you be running any AV software at all? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
I never said what Gizmodo did was correct, I"m just saying maybe Apple should be a little less Inspector Javert and a little more Hardy Boys. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:40 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:49 PM, mike wrote: > >> Hardly see that, considering the tactics Apple has used in the past if >> they >> were any other company they'd be lambasted in the press. I'm sure somehow >> they will come out squeaky on this one too. If this were MS we'd be >> hearing >> the caterwauling till dawn. >> > > So you find that someone you know left their iPhone lying on the bar. You > would... > > 1) Return it to them > 2) Turn it in to the bar keeper > 3) Leave it where you found it > 4) Take it and sell it > > You advocate #4? And then you bellyache that the police investigation is > "illegal"? > > Why am I not surprised? > > Is this is an example of the "land of the free" that neo-cons advocate? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:41 PM, mike wrote: > There is also the question of how much force Apple is using to get this > done, it's not beyond them to use a hammer when none is needed. > > The problem is that another gadget blog that was approached asked their lawyers and they told them not to get anywhere near the thing. It would have been considered stolen property. CA state law is apparently lost items are to be held for six months and attempts must be made to find the legitmate owner before they become property of the finder. So doing things like taking it apart would be considered illegal. Apple could be pressing on this but it may look like an easy win for a prosecutor who needs a run in the win column. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?
On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:49 PM, mike wrote: Hardly see that, considering the tactics Apple has used in the past if they were any other company they'd be lambasted in the press. I'm sure somehow they will come out squeaky on this one too. If this were MS we'd be hearing the caterwauling till dawn. So you find that someone you know left their iPhone lying on the bar. You would... 1) Return it to them 2) Turn it in to the bar keeper 3) Leave it where you found it 4) Take it and sell it You advocate #4? And then you bellyache that the police investigation is "illegal"? Why am I not surprised? Is this is an example of the "land of the free" that neo-cons advocate? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] McAfee vs. MS Security Essentials
On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Which is best for Windows 7: Run McAfee, run MS Security essentials, or run both? Did not MS assure us that this time they got the security thing right? Why should you be running any AV software at all? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] McAfee vs. MS Security Essentials
Date:Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:44:43 -0400 From:Alvin Auerbach Which is best for Windows 7: Run McAfee, run MS Security essentials, or run both? Thanks After the bad press McAfee received last week when they put a critical windows file in their jail, I would not recommend McAfee. MS Security Essentials seems to be a pretty good AV. and the price is right. FREE I personally run Vipre Premium on all my machines as they have an all you can eat for home use for less than $50 a year. It is an AV and firewall program as well as a web browser filter. No financial ties to me. It just works with a small footprint. Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] McAfee vs. MS Security Essentials
Far better than those two choices is to run Comodo On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: > Which is best for Windows 7: Run McAfee, run MS Security essentials, or run > both? > Thanks > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
