Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Buchan Milne]

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maxxik wrote:
> TP> there is location of patch:
> TP> ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/reiserfs-for-2.4/testing/quota-2.4.20
> TP> which is officially recommended at oficially reiserfs faq. if i can,
> TP> i vote for including it into mandrake kernel after unfreezing distro.
>
> TP> of course, directory named as testing, but qa team maybe can test
under
> TP> his kernel tests, if it is usable.
>
>
> so how about including reiserfs quota to MDK 9.1 release's kernel
> ?
>

No way we want to see a big patch like this go in now! The kernel team
have discussed this before, and aren't prepared to do the work to
maintain this, since two other filesystems provide quota support
already, without additional intrusive patches.

Maybe you can request it for 9.2 (along with a 2.6 kernel?).

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Tibor Pittich]

On 14. mar 2003, 18:03, Olivier Thauvin wrote:

> Quota on reiserfs is possible with a patch on kernel, suse include it.
> 
> But is it a good to provide this ? (it is not support by kernel team
> for 2.4).

yes, quota support under reiserfs isn't included into plain 2.4 kernel,
but supermount isn't too ;]

there is location of patch:
ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/reiserfs-for-2.4/testing/quota-2.4.20
which is officially recommended at oficially reiserfs faq. if i can,
i vote for including it into mandrake kernel after unfreezing distro.

of course, directory named as testing, but qa team maybe can test under
his kernel tests, if it is usable.



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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Olivier Thauvin]

Le Vendredi 14 Mars 2003 18:51, Buchan Milne a écrit :
> and assumed that the current implementation did not allow quota to work
> as a normal user ...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ quota
Disk quotas for user thauvin (uid 5574):
 Filesystem  blocks   quota   limit   grace   files   quota   limit   
grace
savtcp:/net/savtcp/home
 490108  100 10150007294   0   0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat /etc/mandrake-release
Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (dolphin) for i586

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ mount | grep /home
/dev/sdb1 on /home type ext3 (rw,quota)

But this machine is RH, too bad, haven't computer to easilly test :(

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Buchan Milne]

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Olivier Thauvin wrote:
> Le Vendredi 14 Mars 2003 17:52, Buchan Milne a écrit :
>
>>plus normal users can check their quota,
>>(apparently not possible on ext3, maybe also not on reiser).
>
>
> Sorry ??
> User can check quota over nfs on ext3. you only need to nsflock services.
>

Maybe I didn't follow this thread:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=103484516128650&w=2

to it's proper conclusion:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=103484516128650&w=2

and assumed that the current implementation did not allow quota to work
as a normal user ...

Sorry.

> Quota on reiserfs is possible with a patch on kernel, suse include it.

Which AFAICR Juan and Chmouel were not too excited about ...

> But is it a good to provide this ? (it is not support by kernel team
for 2.4).
>

IMHO, no, and unnecessary (except possibly on a mail server running
courier-imap or something like that where users would have large volumes
of small files).

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Olivier Thauvin]

Le Vendredi 14 Mars 2003 17:52, Buchan Milne a écrit :
> plus normal users can check their quota,
> (apparently not possible on ext3, maybe also not on reiser).

Sorry ??
User can check quota over nfs on ext3. you only need to nsflock services.

Quota on reiserfs is possible with a patch on kernel, suse include it.

But is it a good to provide this ? (it is not support by kernel team for 2.4).

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs quota support

[Buchan Milne]

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maxxik wrote:
>   Hi ppl !
>
>   I wanna ask - there will be reiserfs quota support in new MDK 9.1
>   release kernel ?

AFAIK, no (see man mount, no quota option listed for reiser). Use a real
FS, like XFS ;-).

IMHO, ReiserFS is usually useful for filesystems that don't need quota
support, things like mail queues, proxy caches etc. For the places you
want quotas (places users can write), you probably want good large-file
performance and may want acl support, so ext3, or ever better, XFS are
more suited here.

quotas on XFS are also just so much easier to setup than ext3, and
update almost immediately, plus normal users can check their quota,
(apparently not possible on ext3, maybe also not on reiser). With XFS on
our fileserver, I can even check the quota on the NFS mounts as a normal
user.

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFs and Fatx ???

[George Mitchell]

Nicolas gomez wrote:

>Hi! I want to delete this ext2 partition and replace it for a ReiserFs partition with 
>a 2.4.8 kernel on linux-mandrake 8.1...
>
>The things I want to know is the compatibility among reiser and other partitions like 
>Fat16, 32, ext2, NFS, etc, etc.
>Also I wanna know your opinion or experiences of ReiserFs' performance in comparison 
>with ext2.
>
>Thanks a lot!!!
>
>Nicolas Gomez
>
>Montevideo, URUGUAY
>
>
>
Just an opinion - I prefer ReiserFS for large file systems - I am using 
ReiserFS for my 22.5 GB /home partition.  Reiser performs better. 
 However I am using Ext3 for all my other partitions it is more stable 
(if that is possible) and more flexible in my opinion.  I definately 
would not try to use Reiser yet with NFS or with a /boot partition.  No 
one filesystem is the be all and end all, thats why its nice to be able 
to choose.  Both Reiser and ext3 make FAT file systems look primitive by 
comparison.

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFs and Fatx ???

[Yura Gusev]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Nicolas gomez wrote:

> Hi! I want to delete this ext2 partition and replace it for a ReiserFs partition 
>with a 2.4.8 kernel on linux-mandrake 8.1...
>
> The things I want to know is the compatibility among reiser and other partitions 
>like Fat16, 32, ext2, NFS, etc, etc.
> Also I wanna know your opinion or experiences of ReiserFs' performance in comparison 
>with ext2.

http://www.namesys.com/

>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
> Nicolas Gomez
>
> Montevideo, URGAY
>
>

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFs and Fatx ???

[Blue Lizard]

Nicolas gomez wrote:

>Hi! I want to delete this ext2 partition and replace it for a ReiserFs partition with 
>a 2.4.8 kernel on linux-mandrake 8.1...
>
1) THIS IS NOT COOKER!  DONT POST TO COOKER LIST!

>
>The things I want to know is the compatibility among reiser and other partitions like 
>Fat16, 32, ext2, NFS, etc, etc.
>Also I wanna know your opinion or experiences of ReiserFs' performance in comparison 
>with ext2.
>
2) Reiser better perf than ext2 according to me and Sir BogoBench

>
>Thanks a lot!!!
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>
>Nicolas Gomez
>
>Montevideo, URUGUAY
>
>
>

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs as root filesystem

[Leon Brooks]

On Wednesday 24 October 2001 13:11, Borsenkow Andrej wrote:
>>> Reiserfs doesn't need to be checked
>> normally no, but if you put a /forcefsck is should check it
> [root@cooker root]# ll /sbin/fsck.reiserfs
> lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Sep 17 10:49
> /sbin/fsck.reiserfs -> ../bin/true*

> It does whatever "/bin/true" command does.

Not even the enhanced version of true does filesystem checks yet.

Just use ext3. 97k of executable at /sbin/fsck.ext3 means that they don't 
presume on perfect self-repair or build everything but the coffee maker into 
the fs. (-:

RE: [Cooker] reiserfs as root filesystem

[Borsenkow Andrej]

> >
> > Reiserfs doesn't need to be checked unless your computer locks up. I
ran
> it
> > when I was using 7.2.
> >
> > Matthew D. Pitts
> >
> >
> 
> normally no, but if you put a /forcefsck is should check it

[root@cooker root]# ll /sbin/fsck.reiserfs 
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Sep 17 10:49
/sbin/fsck.reiserfs -> ../bin/true*

It does whatever "/bin/true" command does.

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs as root filesystem

[Matthew D. Pitts]

Jorg,

Reiserfs doesn't need to be checked unless your computer locks up. I ran it
when I was using 7.2.

Matthew D. Pitts

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when you do a
/ filesystem is reiserfs
touch /forcefsck
the reboot, it does a filesystem check on the other filesystems, but does
nothing on the rootfs. using -22mdk initscripts
never runs a check on / filesystem

Jorg

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs fixes from 2.4.9-ac14

[Brad Felmey]

On Monday 24 September 2001 01:56, you, Borsenkow Andrej, wrote:

> o Clean up reiserfs flags usage (Nikita Danilov)
> o Fix reiserfs disk leak on crash case (Nikita Danilov)
> o Fix reiserfs mount option handling (Nikita Danilov)
> o Cosmetic reiserfs changes (Nikita Danilov)

Now if they'd just for goodness' sake fix NFS on Reiser...
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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS undelete util

[Guillaume Rousse]

Ainsi parlait Tom Berger :
> On Aug 27 2001, 11:58 +, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> > Does anyone know of an undelete tool or mean for ReiserFS ? I just had a
> > stupid typo in a shell command :-(
> > --
> > Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
>
> ---end quoted text---
>
> From the RFS website:
>
> "If you pay us a fee for his time, we can have Vitaly try to hand
> recover the files, assuming you haven't used the disk for writes.  No
> guarantees, but it might be doable.  There is no undelete feature,
> though maybe there ought to be.  Somday we will have an fs editor that
> will make it feasible for average users to attempt such a thing, but
> today." (Hans Reiser)
The ReiserFs website gives a curious impression. It seems reading it is the 
only thing that is not (yet) charged for...
Actually i had some success running a reiserfsck --rebuild-tree 
-scan-whole-partition /dev/mydev, getting 80% of my just deleted files back. 
However, it also fucked many of existing files, corrupting internal content 
or losing their properties, thus forbidding any more access. Hopefully, i 
backuped important things.
So, recovering is possible.
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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS undelete util

[Tom Berger]

On Aug 27 2001, 11:58 +, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> Does anyone know of an undelete tool or mean for ReiserFS ? I just had a 
> stupid typo in a shell command :-(
> -- 
> Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
---end quoted text---

>From the RFS website:

"If you pay us a fee for his time, we can have Vitaly try to hand
recover the files, assuming you haven't used the disk for writes.  No
guarantees, but it might be doable.  There is no undelete feature,
though maybe there ought to be.  Somday we will have an fs editor that
will make it feasible for average users to attempt such a thing, but
today." (Hans Reiser)

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Thierry Vignaud]

Grégoire Colbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> >>Should I disable writeback mode?
> >>
> > safer but slower on writes :-)
> > if  you want, put a hdparm -W 0 /dev/hd[XYZ] in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local
> 
> "man hdparm" says that write-caching is disabled by default.

well it should but there has been reports that some hd didn't or worse
that some accept the command but keep to do write-caching :-(

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Grégoire Colbert]

Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>Should I disable writeback mode?
>>
> 
> safer but slower on writes :-)
> if  you want, put a hdparm -W 0 /dev/hd[XYZ] in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local

"man hdparm" says that write-caching is disabled by default.

Grégoire

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Thierry Vignaud]

SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > about "reiserfs ate my /var partition", note that
> > ext3 writeback mode where
> > metadata only are journalized, you can still have
> > old date or mix of old and new
> > data in your files on remount after crash.
> > ext3 ordered mode should be safer.  but :
> > 
> > note also that for eide disks, most of them works in
> > writeback mode by default,
> > ie the eide controller lye to the OS and say "ok, it
> > has just been written on
> > the disk" whereas it's only in the disk cache.
> > so eide disks can lead to corruption dispite the
> > medata journal.
> > scsi disks should be safer here.
> > 
> > there're also other hw problems than can lead to
> > metadata corruption like the
> > via bugs, the dma engine still writing do disk when
> > the power is shoot down
> > because it's powered longer than ram (ram needs to
> > be refresh thousands times
> > per second to keep its data), ...
>
> does the eide disk problem also affect reiserfs?

eide writeback mode affects all fs : by saying "ok it's writing" whereas it's
only cached, the eide disk/controller couple waits for mode I/O to do them more
intelligently if they can order them, they can achieve better write performance
but if a power problem or a kernel oops occurs, then you can lost your data
since they're not yet written.
this can break journaled fs since they rely on physically written metadata.
but the odds are high you see data corruption before metadata corruption.

> Should I disable writeback mode?

safer but slower on writes :-)
if  you want, put a hdparm -W 0 /dev/hd[XYZ] in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[SI Reasoning]

does the eide disk problem also affect reiserfs?
Should I disable writeback mode?

--- Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> about "reiserfs ate my /var partition", note that
> ext3 writeback mode where
> metadata only are journalized, you can still have
> old date or mix of old and new
> data in your files on remount after crash.
> ext3 ordered mode should be safer.  but :
> 
> note also that for eide disks, most of them works in
> writeback mode by default,
> ie the eide controller lye to the OS and say "ok, it
> has just been written on
> the disk" whereas it's only in the disk cache.
> so eide disks can lead to corruption dispite the
> medata journal.
> scsi disks should be safer here.
> 
> there're also other hw problems than can lead to
> metadata corruption like the
> via bugs, the dma engine still writing do disk when
> the power is shoot down
> because it's powered longer than ram (ram needs to
> be refresh thousands times
> per second to keep its data), ...
> 
> reiserfs 
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[SI Reasoning]

as far as eide hard drives is there not a bios
setting to control that?

--- Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Nima S. Panahi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have had mixed results. I tried to keep my mouth
> shut during the whole
> > thread, but I can't any longer. I experimented
> with Reiser since 7.2. All
> > it did was each my paritions and I think the VIA
> bug has something to do
> > with it. But this was not a rare occation, it ate
> my /home and /var
> > multiple times and on different machines (all
> three had some VIA chipset
> > as I only use AMD). Then, the newer Reiser version
> cameout and changing
> > the paritions to those helped but I still saw
> problems where it reported a
> > directory to have 2 gigs of data in it when I only
> had 400 megs!
> > I must have been smoking something, because for my
> server, I went all
> > ReiserFS with the latest 8.0. I was doing a switch
> from the old server to
> > a new one and in the excitement I forgot about my
> ReiserFS problems. I
> > almost switch back as soon as I realized what I
> had done. However, I just
> > bited down and did regular backups waiting for
> when it went south. IT
> > NEVER DID! I hope I am not talking too soon, but
> for a few months it has
> > been running w/o any problems. I would still waite
> for it to mature more
> > or use XFS, which I have used in many of my
> desktops. IMHO anyways...
> 
> about "reiserfs ate my /var partition", note that
> ext3 writeback mode where
> metadata only are journalized, you can still have
> old date or mix of old and new
> data in your files on remount after crash.
> ext3 ordered mode should be safer.  but :
> 
> note also that for eide disks, most of them works in
> writeback mode by default,
> ie the eide controller lye to the OS and say "ok, it
> has just been written on
> the disk" whereas it's only in the disk cache.
> so eide disks can lead to corruption dispite the
> medata journal.
> scsi disks should be safer here.
> 
> there're also other hw problems than can lead to
> metadata corruption like the
> via bugs, the dma engine still writing do disk when
> the power is shoot down
> because it's powered longer than ram (ram needs to
> be refresh thousands times
> per second to keep its data), ...
> 
> reiserfs 
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Nima S. Panahi]

I have had mixed results. I tried to keep my mouth shut during the whole
thread, but I can't any longer. I experimented with Reiser since 7.2. All
it did was each my paritions and I think the VIA bug has something to do
with it. But this was not a rare occation, it ate my /home and /var
multiple times and on different machines (all three had some VIA chipset
as I only use AMD). Then, the newer Reiser version cameout and changing
the paritions to those helped but I still saw problems where it reported a
directory to have 2 gigs of data in it when I only had 400 megs!
I must have been smoking something, because for my server, I went all
ReiserFS with the latest 8.0. I was doing a switch from the old server to
a new one and in the excitement I forgot about my ReiserFS problems. I
almost switch back as soon as I realized what I had done. However, I just
bited down and did regular backups waiting for when it went south. IT
NEVER DID! I hope I am not talking too soon, but for a few months it has
been running w/o any problems. I would still waite for it to mature more
or use XFS, which I have used in many of my desktops. IMHO anyways...

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Harry wrote:

> On 8/6/01 2:04 AM, "Stefan Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it
> > currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing ...
>
> Depending on the nature of your electrical failure, no data is really safe
> if it is preceded by a spike while the drive writes to the disk. In general,
> I have found Reiserfs to be admirably reliable.
>
> Harry
>
>

RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Borsenkow Andrej]

O.K. O.K. Last time I installed Mandrake from scratch was three months
ago. For some reason I was sure it defaults now to reiser. I stay
corrected.

-andrej

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cooker-owner@linux-
> mandrake.com] On Behalf Of Harry
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:32 PM
> To: Mandrake
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS
> 
> On 8/5/01 11:06 PM, "Borsenkow Andrej"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Eh? It is default file system suggested by 8.0 install. What else do
you
> > mean under "default filesystem"?
> 
> Hmmm... On my disk, ext2 is the default filesystems chosen by standard
and
> expert install. On Expert I need to manually switch to ReiserFS.
> 
> Not sure what you're using, but that's what I have.
> 
> Harry

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Harry]

On 8/6/01 2:04 AM, "Stefan Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it
> currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing ...

Depending on the nature of your electrical failure, no data is really safe
if it is preceded by a spike while the drive writes to the disk. In general,
I have found Reiserfs to be admirably reliable.

Harry

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Harry]

On 8/5/01 11:06 PM, "Borsenkow Andrej" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Eh? It is default file system suggested by 8.0 install. What else do you
> mean under "default filesystem"?

Hmmm... On my disk, ext2 is the default filesystems chosen by standard and
expert install. On Expert I need to manually switch to ReiserFS.

Not sure what you're using, but that's what I have.

Harry

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Jose_Jorge]

Oh it can't be possible : yesterday someone had problems with ReiserFS, and
this morning my ReiserFS / said no more space avaliable on device! The df
command says "unable the read the partition information ! seems like
someone has putten a not funny virus in ReiserFS...

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On Monday 06 August 2001 10:09 am, you wrote:
> On Mon Aug 06, 2001 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Stefan Siegel wrote:

>
> This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
> since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it
> for is /var because I run qmail on all my machines and there was an
> issue with qmail and reiserfs in the past (no idea if it's fixed, but
> /var being ext2 is a matter of habit now).
>
> Anyways, I've had a number of power outtages despite having UPS's with
> the systems all of a sudden going down.  I may have lost the odd file
> occassionally, but certainly never an entire partition.  Considering
> this is on about 5 machines all showing the same thing, I'm a little
> hesitant to think it's reiserfs *alone*.  Maybe there is something
> with the files on /var that causes this problem (again, maybe if I had
> reiserfs /var partitions I would have experienced the same thing, I
> don't know).
>
> I do know that I have never lost more than a handful of files and I've
> got many reiserfs partitions across various systems.

Same here. I did loose two partitions on completetly different hard drives
but tracked it down to hard drive controler failure. The only thing I can
say
about the failure is that the ext2 partitions survived it but reiser didn't

However I run reiser on almost everything and this is the first time I've
had
a problem.

Many success stories (was: RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var)

[Borsenkow Andrej]

Folks, you all miss the point. Nobody argues that ReiserFS has been used
with success by many people. The problem is that if something goes
wrong, Reiser gives very few chances to recover compared with other file
systems (*especially* non-journaling). 

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Brook Humphrey]

On Monday 06 August 2001 10:09 am, you wrote:
> On Mon Aug 06, 2001 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Stefan Siegel wrote:

>
> This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
> since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it
> for is /var because I run qmail on all my machines and there was an
> issue with qmail and reiserfs in the past (no idea if it's fixed, but
> /var being ext2 is a matter of habit now).
>
> Anyways, I've had a number of power outtages despite having UPS's with
> the systems all of a sudden going down.  I may have lost the odd file
> occassionally, but certainly never an entire partition.  Considering
> this is on about 5 machines all showing the same thing, I'm a little
> hesitant to think it's reiserfs *alone*.  Maybe there is something
> with the files on /var that causes this problem (again, maybe if I had
> reiserfs /var partitions I would have experienced the same thing, I
> don't know).
>
> I do know that I have never lost more than a handful of files and I've
> got many reiserfs partitions across various systems.

Same here. I did loose two partitions on completetly different hard drives 
but tracked it down to hard drive controler failure. The only thing I can say 
about the failure is that the ext2 partitions survived it but reiser didn't 
However I run reiser on almost everything and this is the first time I've had 
a problem.

RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Andrew P. Bielecki]

I have 7 raiserfs system including 4 SMP 4 proc boxes and I have never had problem 
with any of them except with one old box
which I'm still using as my firewall. The system would started corrupting volumes if I 
used 2.4 kernel with reiserfs. When installed
with 2.2 kernel and reiserfs or 2.4 kernel with ext2 the box could tick for months. 
The system in question was old 120Mhz Pentium
(no mmx) with 96 Mb memory and Adaptec 2940 Scsi Controller ( no -ide drives)

Andrew Bielecki

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On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:09:45 -0600
Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon Aug 06, 2001 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Stefan Siegel wrote:
>
>
> This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
> since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it
> for is /var because I run qmail on all my machines and there was an
> issue with qmail and reiserfs in the past (no idea if it's fixed, but
> /var being ext2 is a matter of habit now).


Ditto here.  I've had nothing but reiser since on my machine since 7.2
and a few power outages and no problems.


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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Vox]

During the bombing raid on Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:09:45 -0600, Vincent Danen was
heard mumbling in fear:

> On Mon Aug 06, 2001 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Stefan Siegel wrote:
>  
>  > > > thesis on it ... Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it 
>  > > > currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing 
>  > > 
>  > > The question is whether it ameliorates mean crash recovery on critical
>  > > systems. Nornally journaling would go in the right direction, but there
>  > > are still potential problems.
>  > > 
>  > > Any filesystem you're using, you'll still want to do periodic saves on
>  > > tape devices, or even replication.
>  > 
>  > Sure in theory you are right. But ReiserFS don't seem to be stable enough
>  > (atleast for me) as on the _FIRST_ crash (Power failure on the whole 
>  > PC) I had, it shrederd my data. ext2 sometime eats data too, I know - 
>  > but only files - at least on my side it never killed whole partitions.
>  > 
>  > I am hoping for ext3 as it works on top of ext2 afaik.
>  
>  This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
>  since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it

Count me in as a happy reiserfs user, since somewhere in the 7.1
appearance (hand-patched into 2 7.0 servers and 3 workstations)...only had one
problem, and that actually was due to the infamous VIA bug + the Reiserfs bug
of a while back (chipset optimizations bug, I believe) that we tracked here in
cooker...but no problems at all since nor before. And back then (it was during
the road to 8.0) it was file corruption, never partition corruption...only
thing that insisted on dieing was the rpm database whenever I installed 2 or
more files at a time.

>  Anyways, I've had a number of power outtages despite having UPS's with
>  the systems all of a sudden going down.  I may have lost the odd file

My workstation has hadwell...enough power outtages...without any
problems.

>  occassionally, but certainly never an entire partition.  Considering
>  this is on about 5 machines all showing the same thing, I'm a little
>  hesitant to think it's reiserfs *alone*.  Maybe there is something
>  with the files on /var that causes this problem (again, maybe if I had
>  reiserfs /var partitions I would have experienced the same thing, I
>  don't know).

Nop, nothing to do with /var...I have everything under reiserfs and no
problems at allso...I don't think it's a reiserfs+/var problem, but
something else...maybe something like the qmail bug you mentioned.

>  
>  I do know that I have never lost more than a handful of files and I've
>  got many reiserfs partitions across various systems.

Counting 32 reiserfs partitions under my hand, most of them under stock
mandrake kernels (have a suse box somewhere)

Vox

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[John Johnson]

 I have had the same good luck with ReiserFS myself
and I use it on all my systems and my clients systems
starting with mandrake 7.2

-John

- Original Message - 
From: "Andre Anneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var


> [Snip]
> 
> I am using reiserfs since 7.2, including /var. And I never had any 
> problems with it. And we had more than one powerfailure ;). I am so 
> confident with it that
> 
> I sometimes just click on reset if the system seems to be hanging
> 
> 
> Everytime it came up perfectly clear. From my expirience I would say 
> that you loss of /var filesystem was not due to reiserfs but due to 
> something else. But thats just IMHO.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Andre
> 
> P.S.: Even if you use reiserfs, never underestimate the power of Murphy! 
> (Do backups)!
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[John Johnson]

I have used ReiserFS for awhile myself and never had any problems with it. I
use it on my systems and clients systems with /boot being the only ext2
partition...

-John

- Original Message -
From: "Vincent Danen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it
for is /var because I run qmail on all my machines and there was an
issue with qmail and reiserfs in the past (no idea if it's fixed, but
/var being ext2 is a matter of habit now).

Anyways, I've had a number of power outtages despite having UPS's with
the systems all of a sudden going down.  I may have lost the odd file
occassionally, but certainly never an entire partition.  Considering
this is on about 5 machines all showing the same thing, I'm a little
hesitant to think it's reiserfs *alone*.  Maybe there is something
with the files on /var that causes this problem (again, maybe if I had
reiserfs /var partitions I would have experienced the same thing, I
don't know).

I do know that I have never lost more than a handful of files and I've
got many reiserfs partitions across various systems.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Andre Anneck]

[Snip]

I am using reiserfs since 7.2, including /var. And I never had any 
problems with it. And we had more than one powerfailure ;). I am so 
confident with it that

I sometimes just click on reset if the system seems to be hanging


Everytime it came up perfectly clear. From my expirience I would say 
that you loss of /var filesystem was not due to reiserfs but due to 
something else. But thats just IMHO.

Take care,

Andre

P.S.: Even if you use reiserfs, never underestimate the power of Murphy! 
(Do backups)!

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Vincent Danen]

On Mon Aug 06, 2001 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Stefan Siegel wrote:

> > > thesis on it ... Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it 
> > > currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing ...
> > 
> > The question is whether it ameliorates mean crash recovery on critical
> > systems. Nornally journaling would go in the right direction, but there
> > are still potential problems.
> > 
> > Any filesystem you're using, you'll still want to do periodic saves on
> > tape devices, or even replication.
> 
> Sure in theory you are right. But ReiserFS don't seem to be stable enough
> (atleast for me) as on the _FIRST_ crash (Power failure on the whole 
> PC) I had, it shrederd my data. ext2 sometime eats data too, I know - 
> but only files - at least on my side it never killed whole partitions.
> 
> I am hoping for ext3 as it works on top of ext2 afaik.

This is really odd... I've been using reiserfs almost exclusively
since 7.2 on all my machines.  The only partition that I don't use it
for is /var because I run qmail on all my machines and there was an
issue with qmail and reiserfs in the past (no idea if it's fixed, but
/var being ext2 is a matter of habit now).

Anyways, I've had a number of power outtages despite having UPS's with
the systems all of a sudden going down.  I may have lost the odd file
occassionally, but certainly never an entire partition.  Considering
this is on about 5 machines all showing the same thing, I'm a little
hesitant to think it's reiserfs *alone*.  Maybe there is something
with the files on /var that causes this problem (again, maybe if I had
reiserfs /var partitions I would have experienced the same thing, I
don't know).

I do know that I have never lost more than a handful of files and I've
got many reiserfs partitions across various systems.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Stefan Siegel]

Am 2001-08-06, um 15:41:26 (+0200) schrieb Guillaume Cottenceau:
> Stefan Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > thesis on it ... Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it 
> > currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing ...
> 
> The question is whether it ameliorates mean crash recovery on critical
> systems. Nornally journaling would go in the right direction, but there
> are still potential problems.
> 
> Any filesystem you're using, you'll still want to do periodic saves on
> tape devices, or even replication.

Sure in theory you are right. But ReiserFS don't seem to be stable enough
(atleast for me) as on the _FIRST_ crash (Power failure on the whole 
PC) I had, it shrederd my data. ext2 sometime eats data too, I know - 
but only files - at least on my side it never killed whole partitions.

I am hoping for ext3 as it works on top of ext2 afaik.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Stefan Siegel]

Es schrieb Borsenkow Andrej:
> [...]
> > After that I was able to mount the partition again, but it was totally
> > empty !!! :-(
> 
> There is an option "rebuild tree" (sorry, do not have access to Mandrake
> just now, cannot check exactly). I guess you have not tried it?

I did, as this was IIRC te only part doing anything, the other options all 
reported some errors but did nothing (still unable to mount afterwards).

> I ask because I'm really interested in how to recover a broken ReiserFS.
> So far, I could not find any real information, looks like reiser
> developers assume it never goes wrong.

It seems so ...

> And of course, I can well understand your feeling about it ...

Thx. I am sorry I can't provide you more informations, I've tried to wipe 
it out of my brian, as it is an awfull experiance, loosing relevant parts 
of an OS, specially when it is labeld "rocksolid" like GNU/Linux is these 
days ...

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RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Borsenkow Andrej]

> > What exactly do you mean?
> >
> > - it was not possible to mount /var?
> 
> Yes, boot pricess gave ma an error message (don't remember any more)
and
> left me with a prompt.
>
...
> > Have you tried fsck it?
> 
> After it was unwillint to mount it, yes.
> 
> It repoted a lot of note cecking/fixing line (by the way it warned me
> several times that ReiserFsck is totaly unstable and might destroy
> everything before it was starting to check the partition ...).
> 
> After that I was able to mount the partition again, but it was totally
> empty !!! :-(
> 

There is an option "rebuild tree" (sorry, do not have access to Mandrake
just now, cannot check exactly). I guess you have not tried it?

I ask because I'm really interested in how to recover a broken ReiserFS.
So far, I could not find any real information, looks like reiser
developers assume it never goes wrong.

Any pointers are appreciated.


And of course, I can well understand your feeling about it ...

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Stefan Siegel]

Es schrieb Borsenkow Andrej:
> 
> >
> > It killed my var partiton. When I did reboot my desktop machine after
> > an electricity failure, my "/var" was gone. So I am currently left alone
> > with  a 8.0 WITHOUT any RPM support, as all relevant files reside there 
> > :-\
> > (In fact the whole system is relatively unusable without an intact
> > "/var", but most can be "reconstructed", except the RPM-DB)
> 
> What exactly do you mean?
> 
> - it was not possible to mount /var?

Yes, boot pricess gave ma an error message (don't remember any more) and 
left me with a prompt.

> - it was possible to mount but /var was empty?

It was unwilling to mount it (still don't remember error message).

> - it was not entirely empty but some files were gone?

As it was unwilling to mount, I have no idea.
 
> Have you tried fsck it?

After it was unwillint to mount it, yes.

It repoted a lot of note cecking/fixing line (by the way it warned me 
several times that ReiserFsck is totaly unstable and might destroy 
everything before it was starting to check the partition ...).

After that I was able to mount the partition again, but it was totally 
empty !!! :-(

As a result I ran mke2fs on that partition, remounted it and created some 
directories to get able to start my system again. It was a nightmare 
(I thaught sometines I would be sitting on a Window$ system, as all my 
data went away with no possibility to get it back).

As a result my laptop only runs a stable file system (aka ext2) and I 
never had such problems ...

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RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Borsenkow Andrej]

> 
> It killed my var partiton. When I did reboot my desktop machine after
an
> electricity failure, my "/var" was gone. So I am currently left alone
with
> a 8.0 WITHOUT any RPM support, as all relevant files reside there :-\
> (In fact the whole system is relatively unusable without an intact
"/var",
> but most can be "reconstructed", except the RPM-DB)
> 

What exactly do you mean?

- it was not possible to mount /var?
- it was possible to mount but /var was empty?
- it was not entirely empty but some files were gone?

Have you tried fsck it?

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var

[Stefan Siegel]

Es schrieb Borsenkow Andrej:
> 
> >
> > On 8/3/01 2:21 PM, "Grégoire Colbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > 1- Is ReiserFS good enough nowadays for a production machine?
> >
> > Yes, in fact I use it on production machines with great success.
> 
> I use it as well, but my systems are not mission critical :-)
> 
> >
> > > 2- Will it ever become the default filesystem for Mandrake?
> >
> > One can hope. I'm sure it will be made default after RedHat does so
> :-)
> >
> 
> Eh? It is default file system suggested by 8.0 install. What else do you
> mean under "default filesystem"?

It killed my var partiton. When I did reboot my desktop machine after an 
electricity failure, my "/var" was gone. So I am currently left alone with 
a 8.0 WITHOUT any RPM support, as all relevant files reside there :-\
(In fact the whole system is relatively unusable without an intact "/var", 
but most can be "reconstructed", except the RPM-DB)

As this was my first encounter with a power failure (and I was hoping the 
jounal would "fix" arising problems) I lost all data on the ReiserFS 
partition. Lucky me it was not "/home" with my (not yet finished) diploma 
thesis on it ... Since then I don't trust ReiserFS => I wouldn't install it 
currently on a critical system, only on playgounds for data loosing ...

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RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Borsenkow Andrej]

> 
> On 8/3/01 2:21 PM, "Grégoire Colbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 1- Is ReiserFS good enough nowadays for a production machine?
> 
> Yes, in fact I use it on production machines with great success.

I use it as well, but my systems are not mission critical :-)

> 
> > 2- Will it ever become the default filesystem for Mandrake?
> 
> One can hope. I'm sure it will be made default after RedHat does so
:-)
> 

Eh? It is default file system suggested by 8.0 install. What else do you
mean under "default filesystem"?

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Harry]

On 8/3/01 2:21 PM, "Grégoire Colbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1- Is ReiserFS good enough nowadays for a production machine?

Yes, in fact I use it on production machines with great success.

> 2- Will it ever become the default filesystem for Mandrake?

One can hope. I'm sure it will be made default after RedHat does so :-)

Harry

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS broken (!!!) with beta 3 and newest cookerkernel

[R.I.P. Deaddog]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Nima S. Panahi wrote:

> Ok ok.. So I appoligize. As I sent this, I started reading the thread that
> talks about VIA and reiserfs. I still need some explaining thought. I
> don't see why the older kernels work fine and only the newer kernels have
> problems?

You can find what you want here:

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-04-13-007-21-PS-HW-KN

Abel Cheung

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS broken (!!!) with beta 3 and newest cookerkernel

[Nima S. Panahi]

Ok ok.. So I appoligize. As I sent this, I started reading the thread that
talks about VIA and reiserfs. I still need some explaining thought. I
don't see why the older kernels work fine and only the newer kernels have
problems?

 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Nima S. Panahi wrote:

> This is a strange problem that I have explored ever since beta 3 came out.
> I am not sure if it exited before beta 3, since I did not test it as much
> as I have now, but it could have. Anyway.. on with the problem.
>
> Reiserfs brakes bad with the kernel that came with beta 3 and even the
> newer cooker 2.4.3-17mdk. It almost randomly seems to hang while accessing
> reiserfs filesystems and refuses to do anything. The ONLY solution is the
> reset button. It FOR SURE hangs when creating/accessing files larger than
> 2.0G and many files under /usr/share/doc. The files like /usr/share/doc
> "seem" to get away when I reformated the filesystem with the newer
> Reiserfs 3.6 (it was 3.5 before). However, the only way to get hanging
> problem solved (especially with large files) is to use kernels that are
> lower than or equal to the one shipped with 8.0 beta 2.
> Anyone have ANY idea what is going on? TIA.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS broken (!!!) with beta 3 and newest cookerkernel

[R.I.P. Deaddog]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Nima S. Panahi wrote:

> This is a strange problem that I have explored ever since beta 3 came out.
> I am not sure if it exited before beta 3, since I did not test it as much
> as I have now, but it could have. Anyway.. on with the problem.
>
> Reiserfs brakes bad with the kernel that came with beta 3 and even the
> newer cooker 2.4.3-17mdk. It almost randomly seems to hang while accessing
> reiserfs filesystems and refuses to do anything. The ONLY solution is the
> reset button. It FOR SURE hangs when creating/accessing files larger than
> 2.0G and many files under /usr/share/doc. The files like /usr/share/doc
> "seem" to get away when I reformated the filesystem with the newer
> Reiserfs 3.6 (it was 3.5 before). However, the only way to get hanging
> problem solved (especially with large files) is to use kernels that are
> lower than or equal to the one shipped with 8.0 beta 2.
> Anyone have ANY idea what is going on? TIA.

You may go to www.mail-archive.com to search for older discussion on
cooker list, there was a HUGE amount of complaining and discussion about
this 'glitch'.

Abel Cheung

Re: [[Cooker] reiserfs issue]

[Ruairi Hickey]

I had this problem a few weeks back and solved it by doing a mke2fs (sic) to
make the partition a ext2 partition first and then ran mkreiserfs and it
worked OK...

Ruairi

Bryan Opfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just got a new 75GB hard drive and poped it in my machine.  I ran 
fdisk to create the partition, then ran "mkreiserfs /dev/hdc1".  It 
formated ok.  But, when I mount the drive, I get:

# mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdc1 /disk2
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,
or too many mounted file systems


anyone know what is wrong?  I am using Cooker with all the latest 
packages up to March 27th.  I have done this same process on other 
machines and it worked fine.

Thanks,
Bryan Opfer




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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and incoming kernel...

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Claudio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all!
> I know that Mandrake 8.0 is in beta stage now, so many packages are fixed, 
> but I think that the incoming kernel (2.4.3) will have some interesting 
> improvements about two important things that I daily use, and not only me I 
> suppose... I can read
> 
> The first pre-patch of the 2.4.3 linux kernel is available to download from 
> www.kernel.org or from your favorite mirror site. 
> 
>   -pre1:
> - Chris Mason: reiserfs, another null bytes bug
> - Andrea Arkangeli: make SMP Athlon build
> - Alexander Zarochentcev: reiserfs directory
>   fsync SMP locking fix
> - Jeff Garzik: PCI network driver updates
> - Alan Cox: continue merging
> - Ingo Molnar: fix RAID AUTORUN ioctl, scheduling
>  improvements
> 
> Do you think that we will have kernel 2.4.3 in 8.0 or is it too late?  :o(

we use ac patches which it's keep synced with 2.4.3pre?

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFSv3 together in LM 8.0?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Michael R. Batchelor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> OK, how about samba, too. My ultimate goal would be to use a single
> server which is the NIS domain server and NFS server for the Unix

samba touch to the kernel ? noip.. see with
sylvestre([EMAIL PROTECTED]) maintainners of samba package.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFSv3 together in LM 8.0?

[Michael R. Batchelor]

>> OK, I haven't really been following the cooker/LM8.0 stuff too
well,
>> and I couldn't find any reference in the archives about whether
the
>> new release is expected to support ReiserFS and NFSv3 (or even v2
for
>> that matter) together out of the box or not.
>
>Yup, we have tested the patches on our developement machines (which
>use to fail with the default kernel).
>
>> So, will we finally be able to install a Linux server with NIS,
NFS,
>> and a journalizing filesystem without having to get too deep into
the
>> guts of the OS?
>
>yup that's the goal :)


OK, how about samba, too. My ultimate goal would be to use a single
server which is the NIS domain server and NFS server for the Unix
workstations plus act as the Windows Primary Domain Controller which
serves home directories to the windows clients. Naturally, all on a
ReiserFS. I've managed to get that all working on a L-M 7.0 box, but
it took some time to convince everything to play nice, and it still
has inexplicable crashes once every few weeks. I'm not afraid of it,
but I can't leave it in the hands of an inexperienced system admin.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFSv3 together in LM 8.0?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Michael R. Batchelor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> OK, I haven't really been following the cooker/LM8.0 stuff too well,
> and I couldn't find any reference in the archives about whether the
> new release is expected to support ReiserFS and NFSv3 (or even v2 for
> that matter) together out of the box or not.

Yup, we have tested the patches on our developement machines (which
use to fail with the default kernel).

> So, will we finally be able to install a Linux server with NIS, NFS,
> and a journalizing filesystem without having to get too deep into the
> guts of the OS?

yup that's the goal :)

> PS. How about the qmail patches for Reiser? Any chance of supplying
> both qmail and the patch in an rpm we can select? I know the qmail
> license is a little stifling, but you could make the user run a
> separate program to install the patch.

we don't ship qmail, licensing problems..

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Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[Jose]

Ruairi Hickey wrote:

> Doing an install with Sunday's cooker and setting the / partition to be
> reiserfs after boot I get a no root device on 80:5 (0805 ?)..  Does the
> 2.4.1-16 kernel support reiserfs root partitions ?  (
>
> Ruairi
>
> 
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Have you checked for the initrd image, mandrake doesn't compile reiserfs
support as part of the kernel, rather was a module.  I have noticed that
some mandrake cooker kernel rpms make the initrd image and modify lilo/
grub automagically, others don't.

Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[Ruairi Hickey]

On Tuesday 20 February 2001 20:26, Ruairi Hickey wrote:
> Doing an install with Sunday's cooker and setting the / partition to be
> reiserfs after boot I get a no root device on 80:5 (0805 ?)..  Does the
> 2.4.1-16 kernel support reiserfs root partitions ?  (
>
> Ruairi
I did another install today (Sunday 25th) with an updated cooker and had the 
same results..  I have yet to get cooker to boot off of reiserfs... ext2 
works just fine  I can boot into my 7.2 and mount the partitions without 
a problem
Where do I start to try figure out what's causing this...
Hardware is a Dell WorkStation 410, UW AIC7890 scsi on module AIC7xxx with 2 
hard drives... The cooker drive has a 2gb windows partition followed be 3gb 
reiserfs /  and 3gb reiserfs /home and swap.

Ruairi

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[Jason Straight]

When you install just choose reiserfs as the partition type instead 
linux-native when partitioning with diskdrake.


On Thursday 22 February 2001 22:30, you wrote:
> is there any way to install mandrake (cooker) on reiserfs partitions?
> i know it is possible, what I am asking for is the steps
>
> thanks,
> chris campbell

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Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[James Mitchell]

Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:

> Ruairi Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
>> Doing an install with Sunday's cooker and setting the / partition to be
>> reiserfs after boot I get a no root device on 80:5 (0805 ?)..  Does the
>> 2.4.1-16 kernel support reiserfs root partitions ?  (
> 
> 
> yes it does, i have just installed in cooker with full reiserfs
> without any problem..

I saw the same problem as Ruairi this weekend, up to date as of st least 
Saturday night.  So there are three possible explanations I see for it 
working for you...

-Either it was fixed over the weekend and the installer fix hadn't 
percolated out to us,
-You didn't install the standard 2.4.x kernel, you installed the 2.2.x 
kernel or perhaps even the 2.4.1-linus version of the kernel (though I 
doubt that).
-There is some bug that we tripped over and you didn't.  I believe I did a 
very vanilla install that time, because I was already suspicious that 
reiserfs wouldn't boot with 2.4.1, having tried copying my root fs to a 
reiserfs fs and booting late 2.3.x kernels, and failed at it for reasons 
I've yet to understand.

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Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> -Either it was fixed over the weekend and the installer fix hadn't
> percolated out to us,

that should be the reason.

> -You didn't install the standard 2.4.x kernel, you installed the 2.2.x
> kernel or perhaps even the 2.4.1-linus version of the kernel (though I
> doubt that).

you take me for a newbie ?

> -There is some bug that we tripped over and you didn't.  I believe I
> did a very vanilla install that time, because I was already suspicious
> that reiserfs wouldn't boot with 2.4.1, having tried copying my root
> fs to a reiserfs fs and booting late 2.3.x kernels, and failed at it
> for reasons I've yet to understand.

i'll check with new install, got to fix a nfs+reiserfs problem before...

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Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[Neal Pitts]

I don't think so.  Looks like the kernel module isn't loaded until a 
filesystem in /etc/fstab is accessed.  I also tried to make my root 
partition with reiser and got the same results.

Ruairi Hickey wrote:

> Doing an install with Sunday's cooker and setting the / partition to be
> reiserfs after boot I get a no root device on 80:5 (0805 ?)..  Does the
> 2.4.1-16 kernel support reiserfs root partitions ?  (
> 
> Ruairi
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs and Cooker

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Ruairi Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Doing an install with Sunday's cooker and setting the / partition to be
> reiserfs after boot I get a no root device on 80:5 (0805 ?)..  Does the
> 2.4.1-16 kernel support reiserfs root partitions ?  (

yes it does, i have just installed in cooker with full reiserfs
without any problem..

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFS revisited

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It seems that SuSE has a solution for nonworking NFS under ReiserFS:
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/pipermail/nfs/2000q3/002396.html

solution is not really the answer they use unfsd when we use knfs
which allow NFSV3, Jeff is working on the NFS problem.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFS revisited

[AJkart]

is there anyway to get back off this mailing list?

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFS revisited

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 10:40:51PM -0700, Prana wrote:
> It seems that SuSE has a solution for nonworking NFS under ReiserFS:
> 
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/pipermail/nfs/2000q3/002396.html

Good luck!

b.


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RE: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFS revisited

[Steve Wray]

Theres a problem with NFS and ReiserFS??
I've been running two Linux boxes with ReiserFS,
sharing /home between them with no problems for
some months now.

What sort of problem should I be expecting...?


> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prana
> 
> It seems that SuSE has a solution for nonworking NFS under ReiserFS:
> 
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/pipermail/nfs/2000q3/002396.html

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs and chattr

[R.I.P. Deaddog]

Not for now, I had a glimpse of reiserfs devel list, and it is said that
fixing bugs is still the primary concern for the developers. They promised
they'll consider extended attributes later though...

Abel Cheung


On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Prana wrote:

> So far, not yet. I don't know about XFS though.. it seems to me that XFS
> is much more advanced since it's been used in IRIX for 6 years, thus
> it's mature and stable.
> 
> Xavier Bertou wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > is there some kind of chattr for reiserfs ? I really need a journalized
> > file system but with the possibility of doing chattr +i dans chattr +d.
> > Any way to have the same behaviour ?
> > --
> > Xavier
> 
> 

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs and chattr

[Prana]

So far, not yet. I don't know about XFS though.. it seems to me that XFS
is much more advanced since it's been used in IRIX for 6 years, thus
it's mature and stable.

Xavier Bertou wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> is there some kind of chattr for reiserfs ? I really need a journalized
> file system but with the possibility of doing chattr +i dans chattr +d.
> Any way to have the same behaviour ?
> --
> Xavier

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Aurelien Jarno]

Le Samedi 20 Janvier 2001 20:57, vous avez écrit :
> Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > I have just changed my root partition (which contains /boot) to ReiserFS,
> > on a Mandrake cooker 7.2 updated with cooker, and I have two problems.
> >
> > The first one concerns grub. I have the following message at boot time:
> >
> >   grub loading stage 2
> >   failed line 426
> >
> > Fortunately the boot  works well with lilo.
> >
> > The second problem appears when I shutdown my computer. Just after the
> > "Unmounting filesystems", I have about 20 messages like that, with
> > differents inodes numbers:
> >
> > clm6005: writing inode 57 on readonly FS
> >
> > Note that I use ReiserFS on my home partition since about one month
> > without having this problem.
> >
> > Any  clue ?
>
> I don't know if reiser works with grub, you need lilo >= 0.2.6
> the indoe thing is fixed in like 2.4.1 pre 5, I don't think that the
> messages are
> harmfull but I am not positive.

Ok
I am now back to ext2fs for my root partition for more security. I don't like 
very much this type of messages :)

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS

[Richard Smith]

Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> 
> I have just changed my root partition (which contains /boot) to ReiserFS, on
> a Mandrake cooker 7.2 updated with cooker, and I have two problems.
> 
> The first one concerns grub. I have the following message at boot time:
> 
>   grub loading stage 2
>   failed line 426
> 
> Fortunately the boot  works well with lilo.
> 
> The second problem appears when I shutdown my computer. Just after the
> "Unmounting filesystems", I have about 20 messages like that, with differents
> inodes numbers:
> 
> clm6005: writing inode 57 on readonly FS
> 
> Note that I use ReiserFS on my home partition since about one month without
> having this problem.
> 
> Any  clue ?
I don't know if reiser works with grub, you need lilo >= 0.2.6
the indoe thing is fixed in like 2.4.1 pre 5, I don't think that the
messages are
harmfull but I am not positive.

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> These patches are suppsed to be included in 2.2.18, which i doubt was
> included in Chmouel's 2.2.17-21mdk series, right?

yup[1]


Footnotes: 
[1]  not proud of it i would say, but it was too late to include it.

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Ian C. Sison]

These patches are suppsed to be included in 2.2.18, which i doubt was
included in Chmouel's 2.2.17-21mdk series, right?


On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Bryan Whitehead wrote:

> 
> As long as you have NFS patches installed on your kernel your OK. If not
> NFS will be a total dog / broken with reiserfs. goto
> http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ to get the nfs patches...
> 
> On 21 Oct 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> 
> > "Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
> > > wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  What i know is
> > > that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake include a kernel with
> > > ext3 also included?
> > 
> > Yes, our main machine is using reiserfs and there are many NFS mounts on
> > it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Bryan Whitehead]

> Exactly what is the "strange thing" ? ; could it be that its not entirely
> related to reiser but is really an NFS problem?

Well my "strange thing" invloved the client (the machine mounting NFS from
a NFS/Reiserfs) having 5min lockups... get the nfs patches and It goes
away (so i'm told).

> 
> > 
> > > What i know is that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake
> > > include a kernel with ext3 also included?
> > 
> > no sorry i can't manage to support a set of 20kernel
> 
> I understand. I dunno how stable ext3 is as well.
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Bryan Whitehead]

As long as you have NFS patches installed on your kernel your OK. If not
NFS will be a total dog / broken with reiserfs. goto
http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ to get the nfs patches...

On 21 Oct 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

> "Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
> > wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  What i know is
> > that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake include a kernel with
> > ext3 also included?
> 
> Yes, our main machine is using reiserfs and there are many NFS mounts on
> it.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Leon Brooks]

"Brian J. Murrell" wrote:
> Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?

Yes, including on install (just set the partition type to ``Reiserfs'' and it
all works). I've not lost a partition yet and some of the machines I've
installed with it get very clumsily treated.

Two caveats, Reiser will not format tiny (<16MB) partitions such as are often
used for /boot (in which case use ext2 and mount it readonly) and you lose quota
support and a few other things on the Reiser partitions.

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Ian C.Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Exactly what is the "strange thing" ? ; could it be that its not entirely
> related to reiser but is really an NFS problem?

no related to a big server with very high level acess

> > > What i know is that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake
> > > include a kernel with ext3 also included?
> > no sorry i can't manage to support a set of 20kernel
> I understand. I dunno how stable ext3 is as well.

i don't believe much more than reiserfs.

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Ian C.Sison]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> "Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
> > wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  
> 
> We have a 100GB server here via nfs and reiserfs which works almost
> fine (but some time it does strange thing).

Exactly what is the "strange thing" ? ; could it be that its not entirely
related to reiser but is really an NFS problem?

> 
> > What i know is that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake
> > include a kernel with ext3 also included?
> 
> no sorry i can't manage to support a set of 20kernel

I understand. I dunno how stable ext3 is as well.

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
> wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  

We have a 100GB server here via nfs and reiserfs which works almost
fine (but some time it does strange thing).

> What i know is that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake
> include a kernel with ext3 also included?

no sorry i can't manage to support a set of 20kernel

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

"Ian C. Sison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
> wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  What i know is
> that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake include a kernel with
> ext3 also included?

Yes, our main machine is using reiserfs and there are many NFS mounts on
it.


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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Brian J. Murrell]

from the quill of Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on scroll
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Yes, no problems here with 2.2.17-21mdk.  Am using it since ~1yr. 
> Never had
> any troubles at all.

Lots of people seem to be using it no problem.  Anyone on the
hackkernel?

b.



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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Ian C. Sison]

Anyone on the list using reiser with NFS?  It's really sketchy from the
wreiser website if it's safe to use it with NFS or not.  What i know is
that ext3 and NFS _are_ compatible.  Can't Mandrake include a kernel with
ext3 also included?


On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Alexander Skwar wrote:

> So sprach Brian J. Murrell am Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 08:45:46AM -0700:
> > Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?
> 
> Yes, no problems here with 2.2.17-21mdk.  Am using it since ~1yr.  Never had
> any troubles at all.
> 
> Alexander Skwar
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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Bryan Whitehead]

Yes it works. I use it. I'd recomend against it though. It's not fast, is
still not production quality, and unless your system is crashing all the
time its unneeded

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

> Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?
> 
> b.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[James Sutherland]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Warren Doney wrote:

> "Brian J. Murrell" wrote:
> > 
> > Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?
> 
> /me puts hand up.
> 
> works fine

ReiserFS is fine for me. I just wish I could say the same for Mandrake
(release, not beta), which missed out the small detail of installing a
kernel...


James.

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Warren Doney]

"Brian J. Murrell" wrote:
> 
> Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?

/me puts hand up.

works fine

-WBD

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Brian J. Murrell am Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 08:45:46AM -0700:
> Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?

Yes, no problems here with 2.2.17-21mdk.  Am using it since ~1yr.  Never had
any troubles at all.

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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs? anyone?

[Jason Straight]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> Is anyone successfully using Reiserfs?
>
> b.

yep - and have been for some time.

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and Norton Disk Doctor

[Warren Doney]

Warly wrote:
[.]

> some people report that using Norton Disk Doc reformat reiserFS partition.
> Norton cannot reproduce, though, so I am wondering if there is a problem
> or not.
> 
> Just try to use disk doctor, I do not know this soft, but it should
> have some kind of automatic check and repair disk function.

NDD is like graphic fsck for DOS/FAT - works fine with ReiserFS for 
me. I have 4 logical partitions /2.5GB FAT32/130MB Linux swap/2.5GB
ReiserFS/1GB ext2. AFAICT it dose not even see ReiserFS when it does
automatic fsck from Windows crash, or when run inside Windows, or when
run from CDROM boot in DOS. So my Partition table & MBR was checked 6x
by this software & no problems were reported. Maybe Problem is with the
way people set up ReiserFS - sorry, can't help with that - I just know
to click some buttons at install :)

-WBD

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and Norton Disk Doctor

[Warly]

Warren Doney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Warly wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone has experienced a reiserFS partition format using Norton
> > Disk Doctor ?
> > 
> > thx
> > 
> > --
> > Warly
> 
> I could *try* it, as I am about to reinstall anyway - you would have 
> to be more clear about what imformation you want though

some people report that using Norton Disk Doc reformat reiserFS partition.
Norton cannot reproduce, though, so I am wondering if there is a problem
or not.

Just try to use disk doctor, I do not know this soft, but it should
have some kind of automatic check and repair disk function.

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Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and Norton Disk Doctor

[Warren Doney]

Warly wrote:
> 
> Does anyone has experienced a reiserFS partition format using Norton
> Disk Doctor ?
> 
> thx
> 
> --
> Warly

I could *try* it, as I am about to reinstall anyway - you would have 
to be more clear about what imformation you want though

-WBD

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS+DAC960 (Was: Re: [Cooker] 7.1 Final again (Argh!))

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Derek Wildstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What it looked like was when it would normally mount root it mounted Oops
> insteadthis is with the kernel-smp-2.2.15-XX rpm on the install CD.  I
> have another single/DAC960 I'm planning to install next week,
> and this time have a bit of time to play.  I'll try to isolate the exact
> problem and provide things like screen dumps etc if it will help =)  (Also
> I can test with the 2.2.16 rpm and see if the problem still persists)

yes please the kernel-2.2.16 rpm will come in few real minutes. I
really appreciate your help.

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
Pasadena, CA USA  --Chmouel

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS+DAC960 (Was: Re: [Cooker] 7.1 Final again (Argh!))

[Derek Wildstar]

On 8 Jun 2000, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:

> > I think it was more of a testing issuethe output I got immediately
> > before the distro kernel crashed on my boxes was the same both times, and
> > looked like depmod hadn't been run.  Never tested this with modules so
> > this may not be the case...but i do know that when DAC960 and ReiserFS are
> > compiled into the kernel they play well together.  (Same with MD5 software
> > RAID and ReiserFS, which the reiserfs people claim doesn't work but for
> > some reason it does with mandrake)
> 
> for some reason i wonder want to know, i did really nothing in this
> side (the last kernel-2.2.16 rpm has a big changes with the new raid
> support). 
> 
> But well we have  to try to figure first what's append to the rfs and
> dac960x modules. Do you have an idea if it is a loading conflicts in
> the initrd  ?

What it looked like was when it would normally mount root it mounted Oops
insteadthis is with the kernel-smp-2.2.15-XX rpm on the install CD.  I
have another single/DAC960 I'm planning to install next week,
and this time have a bit of time to play.  I'll try to isolate the exact
problem and provide things like screen dumps etc if it will help =)  (Also
I can test with the 2.2.16 rpm and see if the problem still persists)

Thanks,
-dwild

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS doesn`t install when i only upgrade

[Civileme]

Denis HAVLIK wrote:

> :~>sers!
> :~>What can i do, to compile from ext to reiser=?
> :~>after upgradind to beta3 from 7.0 II, its again ext filesystem!
> :~>can you help me?;_)
> :~>thanks
> :~>!
>
> WDYTWA? Magiciens?
>
> 1) You have an ext2 partition full of thingies
> 2) You want to keep this partition intact, so you do upgrade
>
> AFAIK, there is no way to "transform" one partition formate to another
> withouth losing the data, but I would be glad to learn the oposite.
>
> cu
> Denis
> --
> -
> Dr. Denis Havlik
> Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-

Ummm, it is easy to write a program to do the transformation, but only if an
equal amount of free space is available--you make a brand new Reiserfs then
cp -r -f  

The ext2 filesystem has rules bout inodes which dictate the storing of
things to keep fragmentation low.

The Resierfs is a tree of FIVE levels--actually more of a forest since more
than one root node exists.  there are root nodes, pointer nodes which
operate under an (about 2/3 full of data or create more nodes this level)
rule, and unformatted nodes (not physically but logically unformatted) which
conmtain (mostly contiguous and 100% filled) file data.  SIZE, organization,
timing and journals are other differences.  If you have a full ext2
partition, it might not  in fact FIT the same place with Reiserfs.   ext2 is
similar to keeping logical and physical storage close to the same and Reiser
is a level of abstraction or two above that--a highly modified balanced
tree/forest scheme.

For a more complete discussion, take a look at

http://devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs/

Gee, did I just tell someone to Read the Fine Material?  Guess there is a
*first* time for everything.

Civileme

--
BETA testing KDE2 and Konqueror

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS doesn`t install when i only upgrade

[Denis HAVLIK]

:~>sers!
:~>What can i do, to compile from ext to reiser=?
:~>after upgradind to beta3 from 7.0 II, its again ext filesystem!
:~>can you help me?;_)
:~>thanks
:~>!

WDYTWA? Magiciens? 

1) You have an ext2 partition full of thingies
2) You want to keep this partition intact, so you do upgrade

AFAIK, there is no way to "transform" one partition formate to another
withouth losing the data, but I would be glad to learn the oposite. 

cu
Denis
-- 
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Dr. Denis Havlik
Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[John Grange]

Pixel wrote:

> John Grange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have moved my install drive to reiserfs now, is there a possible hack
> > to get the hd install working in that way?
>
> well, well... will i or won't it do it 4u ;p
>
> ftp://ftp.mandrakesoft.com/pub/pixel/hd.img should do it. I don't know if it
> works, i have not tested it...
>
> also, i don't know if it can be the default. the reiserfs.o module is quite big.
> I had to remove all disk modules (DAC960, cpqarray...) to make this fit :-/
>
> cu Pixel.

thank you thank you thank you;)

i will test it today and let you know if it functions

any news on the status of Mandrake for the sparc-32? or am i forced to use ..
bleck.. redhat?

-DarkWlf

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[Pixel]

John Grange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have moved my install drive to reiserfs now, is there a possible hack
> to get the hd install working in that way?

well, well... will i or won't it do it 4u ;p

ftp://ftp.mandrakesoft.com/pub/pixel/hd.img should do it. I don't know if it
works, i have not tested it...

also, i don't know if it can be the default. the reiserfs.o module is quite big.
I had to remove all disk modules (DAC960, cpqarray...) to make this fit :-/


cu Pixel.

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "Pixel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?


> >
> > It should since 2.88 mb is standard el torrito. (This is the max that is
> > standard el torrito) if you go for the hd image thing it is nolonger
> > standard el torrito but rather an extention.
>
> caldera uses it. it doesn't boot on at least one laptop here.
>

Non-compliant hardware - the bane of programmers everywhere. 8)

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Pixel]

"Michael Irving" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Use a 2.88MB floppy image on  the CD to include reiserfs support - leave
> it
> > > off the floppy images (or use 1.7MB floppy images)?
> >
> > this solution doen't work on all hardware.
> >
> 
> It should since 2.88 mb is standard el torrito. (This is the max that is
> standard el torrito) if you go for the hd image thing it is nolonger
> standard el torrito but rather an extention.

caldera uses it. it doesn't boot on at least one laptop here.

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Michael Irving]

> "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Use a 2.88MB floppy image on  the CD to include reiserfs support - leave
it
> > off the floppy images (or use 1.7MB floppy images)?
>
> this solution doen't work on all hardware.
>

It should since 2.88 mb is standard el torrito. (This is the max that is
standard el torrito) if you go for the hd image thing it is nolonger
standard el torrito but rather an extention.

Michael

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Use a 2.88MB floppy image on  the CD to include reiserfs support - leave it
> off the floppy images (or use 1.7MB floppy images)?

this solution doen't work on all hardware.

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "Pixel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?


> Anton Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Are we going to get support for hd installs from ReiserFS?
>
> one day, sure! The pb is of course as usual the very little room on the
floppy.
> Maybe i should remove some raid modules...
>
>

Use a 2.88MB floppy image on  the CD to include reiserfs support - leave it
off the floppy images (or use 1.7MB floppy images)?

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Pixel]

Anton Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Are we going to get support for hd installs from ReiserFS?

one day, sure! The pb is of course as usual the very little room on the floppy.
Maybe i should remove some raid modules...

Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS install?

[Steve Fox]

Anton Graham wrote:
> 
> Are we going to get support for hd installs from ReiserFS?

I ran into this problem too. Luckily I had another ext2 partition that I
could copy stuff to.

-- 

Steve Fox
http://k-lug.com

Re: [Cooker] Reiserfs?

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Bobby Dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I thought that ext2 was a journaling filesystem ...what are the advantages of
> reiserf and how do i specify it at install?

we really should have a FAQ of Cooker :-))

advantages : no more loong fsck's on your 27Gb...
specify: choose "fs type" ReiserFS at install time [needs to be expert,
maybe also available in customized but can't be sure]

> I guess this means i have to reinstall if i want to use it, hunh?

probably. never heard of e2fs2reiserfs..

-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[ptah]

Can someone please expain what the benifts over reiserfs is over
ext2fs?  which one should you use for a desktop machine?  Thanks

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[Pixel]

Magnus Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does anyone know what the notail thing does?

see the reiserfs faq

> Cant find that in man mount or man fstab.
> Do I have to att something special to lilo if i like to use the whole disk
> with reiserfs?

no, you just need to have the kernel on notail mounted partition.

> 
> I have also heard that there is some patch to grub for reiserfs so i think
> that a patched grub would be nice in mandrake 7.1b.

haven't manage to make it work yet (didn't try it a lot though)
if someone succeed, tell me :)

Re: [Cooker] reiserfs

[Magnus Holmberg]

Does anyone know what the notail thing does?
Cant find that in man mount or man fstab.
Do I have to att something special to lilo if i like to use the whole disk
with reiserfs?

I have also heard that there is some patch to grub for reiserfs so i think
that a patched grub would be nice in mandrake 7.1b.


/M


On Thu, 4 May 2000, Kevin Forge wrote:

> I have a single '/' partition and a '/home' that are both RiserFS.  
> No ext2 anywhere on my PC.
> 
> /dev/hda2 / reiserfs notail 1 1
> none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
> /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0
> /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0
> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0
> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
> 
> Civileme wrote:
> > 
> > Magnus Holmberg wrote:
> > 
> > > Is it possible to install Mandrake 7.1 on a / partition with reiserfs.
> > > Or do i need to have /boot on ext2 filesystem?
> > 
> > I did all partitions except windows, swap, and /boot on reiser.  I did
> > /boot on ext2 because checking it is trivial and I had no notion whether
> > the kernel in memory when /boot is read had the reiser fs patch or not.
> > I suppose the Open BIOS project with linux as the BIOS could feature
> > Reiser if someone wanted to be a puritan, and use nothing else.  I did
> > not in fact try /boot as Reiserfs on my test system, so I can't say
> > whether it will work.
> > 
> > But with an ext2 /boot, Reiser can definitely be used for all the other
> > partitions.  It is not backwards compatible with ext2 since the storage
> > method is something like a B-Tree, but ext2 and reiser partitions can
> > coexist.  Checking out several partitions totalling 10 Gb of storage
> > (UDMA/33 without optimizations) in less than nine seconds on boot after
> > being stopped in the midst of 40 users with makes in progress (by a
> > hardware reset) is pretty good, in my estimation.  Now I am creating and
> > reading, resizing and writing back , many many tiny files to see if I can
> > confuse it long term.  So far, its efficiency with bundles of small files
> > seems to be superior to ext2fs.
> > 
> > Civileme
> > 
> > --
> > BETA-testing Netscape 6
> > and its mailer  and L-M 7.1
> 

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