Re: [Cooker] Aurora choice in install
Digital Wokan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > in expert mode, boot configuration(lilo/grub), choose a non fb entry. > > -- > > Yves Duret > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Instant slut; just add alcohol" Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > > No way, Yves. I finally have a text mode of greater than 80x25 and I'm > not going to disable it just to get rid of Aurora. I will have my cake > and will start a food fight with it, too. We could easily unselect Aurora when doing an Expert install (2 lines of code). But the problem is that 2/3 of our users do an Expert install, and probably most of them would miss this graphical boot. I know that guys on Cooker really don't like Aurora (and me also) but you already have two ways of not using Aurora (unselecting during install, booting a non-fb kernel). The third is of course to issue "urpme Aurora" after first boot. That's not really bigtime: you do first boot in non-fb mode to verify the boot goes smoothly, you type "urpme Aurora" in the console, and then, you forget about it. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora choice in install
Yves Duret wrote: > > "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I know that I can turn off aurora after I install Mandrake, but how hard > > would it be to just put a menu option DURING the install. I agree that to > > most every day computer users the graphical boot up is much more attractive > > than the traditional text one. Just would be nice for those of us running > > expert installs on servers and such to have the option of not using it be a > > check box that is quite visible rather than having to sort through packages > > and make sure it doesn't install. If this isn't a viable option I apologize, > > just wanted to offer my oppinion on it and I can see that there are others > > on the list that agree. I love mandrake, I'm just not too keen on Aurora. =) > > in expert mode, boot configuration(lilo/grub), choose a non fb entry. > -- > Yves Duret > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "Instant slut; just add alcohol" Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen No way, Yves. I finally have a text mode of greater than 80x25 and I'm not going to disable it just to get rid of Aurora. I will have my cake and will start a food fight with it, too.
Re: [Cooker] Aurora choice in install
On Monday 13 August 2001 19:32, Tim wrote: > I know that I can turn off aurora after I install Mandrake, but how hard > would it be to just put a menu option DURING the install. I agree that > to most every day computer users the graphical boot up is much more > attractive than the traditional text one. Just would be nice for those > of us running expert installs on servers and such to have the option of > not using it be a check box that is quite visible rather than having to > sort through packages and make sure it doesn't install. If this isn't a > viable option I apologize, just wanted to offer my oppinion on it and I > can see that there are others on the list that agree. I love mandrake, > I'm just not too keen on Aurora. =) > > -Tim I detest Auora too, and it _is_ difficult to deselect it. It would be better to have it automatically deselected if expert is chosen. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586, kernel 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin-pnr, XFree86 4.0.3, patch level 11mdk, KDE: 2.1.2, Qt: 2.3.1. Uptime 1 hour 39 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Aurora choice in install
"Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know that I can turn off aurora after I install Mandrake, but how hard > would it be to just put a menu option DURING the install. I agree that to > most every day computer users the graphical boot up is much more attractive > than the traditional text one. Just would be nice for those of us running > expert installs on servers and such to have the option of not using it be a > check box that is quite visible rather than having to sort through packages > and make sure it doesn't install. If this isn't a viable option I apologize, > just wanted to offer my oppinion on it and I can see that there are others > on the list that agree. I love mandrake, I'm just not too keen on Aurora. =) in expert mode, boot configuration(lilo/grub), choose a non fb entry. -- Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Instant slut; just add alcohol" Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
[Cooker] Aurora choice in install
I know that I can turn off aurora after I install Mandrake, but how hard would it be to just put a menu option DURING the install. I agree that to most every day computer users the graphical boot up is much more attractive than the traditional text one. Just would be nice for those of us running expert installs on servers and such to have the option of not using it be a check box that is quite visible rather than having to sort through packages and make sure it doesn't install. If this isn't a viable option I apologize, just wanted to offer my oppinion on it and I can see that there are others on the list that agree. I love mandrake, I'm just not too keen on Aurora. =) -Tim
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:04:27AM -0400, Tim wrote: > Is it just me... or would it be easier for everyone if Mandrake could just no .. it's not just you :) > have a check box along with the Boot Loader choices to let us choose Aurora > or not? Personally I hate the thing and prefer my nice ugly text boot and it > would solve everyone's problems if we could just have an easy to find box to > check. ACK ! That's what I said last week or the week before .. but somehow Pixel responed with something like: "..just boot in linux-nofb or uncheck in flat-file-listing.." Perhaps he has just missed our point .. Well .. let's try again :-) > Possibly have it unchecked by default for expert installs and leave > it checked for newbie installs so that they can get nice pretty screens at > boot up time while those of us that like our ugly consoles just get our > text (hopefully with lots of green PASSED in it!) or maybe, as Aurora is a Mandrake development, they want to show their nice product to everyone - and that's why it's so hard to disable resp. well hidden .. Christian -- Things that make you go "Hmmm": "If a train station is where the train stops, what is a workstation?"
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
"Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it just me... or would it be easier for everyone if Mandrake could just > have a check box along with the Boot Loader choices to let us choose Aurora > or not? Personally I hate the thing and prefer my nice ugly text boot and it > would solve everyone's problems if we could just have an easy to find box to > check. Possibly have it unchecked by default for expert installs and leave > it checked for newbie installs so that they can get nice pretty screens at > boot up time while those of us that like our ugly consoles just get our > text (hopefully with lots of green PASSED in it!) If you don't like the thing, just disable it with drakboot (you can reach it through the control center).
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
Is it just me... or would it be easier for everyone if Mandrake could just have a check box along with the Boot Loader choices to let us choose Aurora or not? Personally I hate the thing and prefer my nice ugly text boot and it would solve everyone's problems if we could just have an easy to find box to check. Possibly have it unchecked by default for expert installs and leave it checked for newbie installs so that they can get nice pretty screens at boot up time while those of us that like our ugly consoles just get our text (hopefully with lots of green PASSED in it!) Just my 2 pennies worth -Tim
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
Digital Wokan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's an alphabetical list? I've only seen that > workstation/server/blah/someotherblah breakdown of RPMs. How do I > choose my RPMs alphabetically during the install? click on the "Toggle between flat and group sorted" button (in individual package selection)
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
Digital Wokan wrote: > There's an alphabetical list? I've only seen that > workstation/server/blah/someotherblah breakdown of RPMs. How do I > choose my RPMs alphabetically during the install? > In package selection there is one icon that switches view (tree/flat). It is in the lower left corner, third icon (IIRC). There are tooltips, so just slowly move mouse over all icons that you find :-) -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Digital Wokan wrote: > That sucks. I was hoping to bypass that graphical bootup from square > one and actually see what Kudzu's finding that the install didn't. Or > they could fix Kudzu to play better with Aurora (or the other way around > even). > > Blue Lizard wrote: > > I believe he refers to post install in urpmi > > I think I have mentioned this before, but kudzu and/or harddrake try to send output the console when it thinks a device has been removed (my external modem, for example, and I can't shut it up). So you end up seeing the escape codes in Aurora. If the user chooses *non-interactive* bootup, at no time should kduzu or harddrake expect some user input anyway. Or at least it should stay in text only mode and leave out the graphical (newt?) screens when Aurora is enabled. -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
I have Aurora-* in my rsysnc exclude file. Install whines about it missing, but I click on the "soldier-forth" button, and never have to think about it again. I pulled the same chicanery with imwheel-* -- gives the same complaint's from Install, but I don't have to un-install something that annoys me yet that I was never offered a chance to un-select in the first-place. -Charles On Sunday 12 August 2001 18:21, Digital Wokan wrote: > That sucks. I was hoping to bypass that graphical bootup from square > one and actually see what Kudzu's finding that the install didn't. Or > they could fix Kudzu to play better with Aurora (or the other way around > even). > > Blue Lizard wrote: > > I believe he refers to post install in urpmi
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
That sucks. I was hoping to bypass that graphical bootup from square one and actually see what Kudzu's finding that the install didn't. Or they could fix Kudzu to play better with Aurora (or the other way around even). Blue Lizard wrote: > I believe he refers to post install in urpmi
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
I believe he refers to post install in urpmi
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
There's an alphabetical list? I've only seen that workstation/server/blah/someotherblah breakdown of RPMs. How do I choose my RPMs alphabetically during the install? andre wrote: > > On 10 Aug 2001 17:40:38 +0400, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > > I've tried to deselect everything and Aurora is still installed. WTF > > this is the last thing I'd expect to be installed BY DEFAULT. It belongs > > to "fancy useless broken GUI toys" group ... > > Problem is there isn't a "fancy useless gui toys group" so there is not > a naturly place to put Aurora. In the alphabetic list you can deselected > it. > > > > > ... sorry, but it is the second day I try to install cooker just to find > > out that my locale is not supported. :( > > > > -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
On 10 Aug 2001 17:40:38 +0400, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > I've tried to deselect everything and Aurora is still installed. WTF > this is the last thing I'd expect to be installed BY DEFAULT. It belongs > to "fancy useless broken GUI toys" group ... Problem is there isn't a "fancy useless gui toys group" so there is not a naturly place to put Aurora. In the alphabetic list you can deselected it. > > ... sorry, but it is the second day I try to install cooker just to find > out that my locale is not supported. :( > > -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
I've tried to deselect everything and Aurora is still installed. WTF this is the last thing I'd expect to be installed BY DEFAULT. It belongs to "fancy useless broken GUI toys" group ... ... sorry, but it is the second day I try to install cooker just to find out that my locale is not supported. :( -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora - to which category it belongs?
I cannot even find Aurora in tree package view when installing. I was lucky I started text install once and Aurora was on the first screen - else I would not even notice it is there. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
I have no idea why my others don't work and gtk does. I do know that it has to try twice before it will work properly but that might have to do with the file-locking you are talking about. --- Blue Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can get the others to work, as traditional wslib > is my favorite. The gtk version requires the > creation of some tmp lock file or something as i > recall, and thus requires that you have your > filesystem mounted rw. This screws up e2fsck and a > few others. When filesystem is ro, aurora waits a > long time before moving on with boot (monitor down) > until trying again later in the process and > succeeding b/c the filesystem has been remounted > (rw). Because it takes so much more time, I stick > with wslib (I always prefer the traditional over > that rediculous newstyle :P). > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
I can get the others to work, as traditional wslib is my favorite. The gtk version requires the creation of some tmp lock file or something as i recall, and thus requires that you have your filesystem mounted rw. This screws up e2fsck and a few others. When filesystem is ro, aurora waits a long time before moving on with boot (monitor down) until trying again later in the process and succeeding b/c the filesystem has been remounted (rw). Because it takes so much more time, I stick with wslib (I always prefer the traditional over that rediculous newstyle :P).
Re: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
I can only get the gtk version to work on cooker version, the other 3 won't run at all. --- Gr¨¦goire Colbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Huh? > > You mean that nobody will correct this? I thought it > was only a matter > of changing a string (which is not translated > btw)... Or even better, > above the "change mode" stuff at the left, write > "Use TAB to select...". > > Anyway, I like Aurora's listing mode. Which bugs are > you talking about? > > Gr¨¦goire > > > Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > > Cosmetic? You must be kidding. Aurora has several > major/minor bugs that > > make its usage questionable (very mildly put). > IMNSHO it should long > > have been moved to contribs as nobody seems to > maintain it. > > > > -andrej > > > > > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:cooker-owner@linux- > >>mandrake.com] On Behalf Of Gr§Ûgoire Colbert > >>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:15 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug > >> > >>Hello, > >> > >>I had to hard-reboot my system after a freeze, and > since fsck could > >> > > not > > > >>correct the problems alone, I went into the > "interactive" mode. Having > >>Aurora installed, it took me a moment to > understand that to activate > >> > > the > > > >>"Yes / No" buttons, I had to use the TAB key (and > not the mouse or the > >>"y" key). Maybe it should be said at the end of > the question? > >> > >>Gr¨¦goire > >> > >>-- > >>"J'aimais bien Microsoft, quand ils ne faisaient > pas encore de > >> > > logiciels." > > > > > > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
RE: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
> > What about copying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aurora maintainer if I'm > not wrong) ? > You are welcome. I personally consider 6 months long enough to declare package no more maintained. I check every new RPM of Aurora of course, and I stubbornly continue to report the same bugs over and over again. But if nobody is interested, I cannot change it. -andrej > > Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > > Still, this requires somebody to do it. Aurora was not touched (I mean, > > really touched) in at least half a year. > > > > 1. Major - any program that tries to do something interactively at > > startup at the best can't do it, at the worst startup hangs. Arguably, > > rc script should not try to interact with users, still it is used in > > some cases on other systems as well. > > > > 2. Semi-major - update trashes monitor symlink. > > > > 3. Semi-minor - incorrect display of non-ISO-8859-1 messages (judging by > > my name and address I am affected :-) > > > > 4. Semi-minor - Microsoft wheel mouse still not supported. Reported in > > January by me. > > > > May be more. I switched Aurora off several months ago (after NLS > > problem). >
Re: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
What about copying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aurora maintainer if I'm not wrong) ? Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > Still, this requires somebody to do it. Aurora was not touched (I mean, > really touched) in at least half a year. > > 1. Major - any program that tries to do something interactively at > startup at the best can't do it, at the worst startup hangs. Arguably, > rc script should not try to interact with users, still it is used in > some cases on other systems as well. > > 2. Semi-major - update trashes monitor symlink. > > 3. Semi-minor - incorrect display of non-ISO-8859-1 messages (judging by > my name and address I am affected :-) > > 4. Semi-minor - Microsoft wheel mouse still not supported. Reported in > January by me. > > May be more. I switched Aurora off several months ago (after NLS > problem).
RE: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
> > You mean that nobody will correct this? I thought it was only a matter > of changing a string (which is not translated btw)... Or even better, > above the "change mode" stuff at the left, write "Use TAB to select...". > Still, this requires somebody to do it. Aurora was not touched (I mean, really touched) in at least half a year. > Anyway, I like Aurora's listing mode. Which bugs are you talking about? > 1. Major - any program that tries to do something interactively at startup at the best can't do it, at the worst startup hangs. Arguably, rc script should not try to interact with users, still it is used in some cases on other systems as well. 2. Semi-major - update trashes monitor symlink. 3. Semi-minor - incorrect display of non-ISO-8859-1 messages (judging by my name and address I am affected :-) 4. Semi-minor - Microsoft wheel mouse still not supported. Reported in January by me. May be more. I switched Aurora off several months ago (after NLS problem). -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
Huh? You mean that nobody will correct this? I thought it was only a matter of changing a string (which is not translated btw)... Or even better, above the "change mode" stuff at the left, write "Use TAB to select...". Anyway, I like Aurora's listing mode. Which bugs are you talking about? Gr¨¦goire Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > Cosmetic? You must be kidding. Aurora has several major/minor bugs that > make its usage questionable (very mildly put). IMNSHO it should long > have been moved to contribs as nobody seems to maintain it. > > -andrej > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cooker-owner@linux- >>mandrake.com] On Behalf Of Gr§Ûgoire Colbert >>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:15 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug >> >>Hello, >> >>I had to hard-reboot my system after a freeze, and since fsck could >> > not > >>correct the problems alone, I went into the "interactive" mode. Having >>Aurora installed, it took me a moment to understand that to activate >> > the > >>"Yes / No" buttons, I had to use the TAB key (and not the mouse or the >>"y" key). Maybe it should be said at the end of the question? >> >>Gr¨¦goire >> >>-- >>"J'aimais bien Microsoft, quand ils ne faisaient pas encore de >> > logiciels." > >
RE: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
Cosmetic? You must be kidding. Aurora has several major/minor bugs that make its usage questionable (very mildly put). IMNSHO it should long have been moved to contribs as nobody seems to maintain it. -andrej > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cooker-owner@linux- > mandrake.com] On Behalf Of Gr§Ûgoire Colbert > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug > > Hello, > > I had to hard-reboot my system after a freeze, and since fsck could not > correct the problems alone, I went into the "interactive" mode. Having > Aurora installed, it took me a moment to understand that to activate the > "Yes / No" buttons, I had to use the TAB key (and not the mouse or the > "y" key). Maybe it should be said at the end of the question? > > Gr¨¦goire > > -- > "J'aimais bien Microsoft, quand ils ne faisaient pas encore de logiciels."
[Cooker] Aurora cosmetic bug
Hello, I had to hard-reboot my system after a freeze, and since fsck could not correct the problems alone, I went into the "interactive" mode. Having Aurora installed, it took me a moment to understand that to activate the "Yes / No" buttons, I had to use the TAB key (and not the mouse or the "y" key). Maybe it should be said at the end of the question? Grégoire -- "J'aimais bien Microsoft, quand ils ne faisaient pas encore de logiciels."
Re: New Aurora - is it a joke? Re: [Cooker] Aurora developmentdead?
On 6/1/01 3:54 PM, "Andrej Borsenkow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May be, Aurora development is not under Mandrake control, but packaging? Maybe so, but doesn't anyone at Mandrakesoft *use* Aurora, at least during the beta cycle? Particularly if such a problem was reported before? Harry
Re: New Aurora - is it a joke? Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
OK, I'll speak up since I started this uproar by updating the package. All I did was add some patches to WsLib, so Aurora framebuffer would work on PPC, and add a "BuildRequires" for PPC in Aurora to insure the appropriate WsLib is used. I've noted the circular "Requires" mentioned before, and also in repeated installs, that sometimes that link does not happen. If all flavours of Aurora are installed, it doesn't seem to happen. The current spec file is a little different that what I'm used to seeing, as it doesn't break out the seperate packages in quite the manner that some of the other .specs that create multiple packages do. As the "ugly stepchild" here working on PPC, I'm generally hesitant to change any more than I need to to accomplish PPC functionality on any package, lest I upset the applecart. Even then, I still manage to get folks upset;^) I agree the Aurora RPM needs to be cleaned up a little, but as I said, my focus was just to make it work at all on PPC. Stew Benedict On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > > > There was no updates to Aurora for a long time. Not that there are many > > bugs, but still I'd like to see my Intellimouse finally working in > > Aurora ... > > > > > then it is of bad taste. Updated Aurora - and again link > /etc/aurora/Monitor broken. Something that was reported half an year ago. > > May be, Aurora development is not under Mandrake control, but packaging? > > -andrej > >
New Aurora - is it a joke? Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > There was no updates to Aurora for a long time. Not that there are many > bugs, but still I'd like to see my Intellimouse finally working in > Aurora ... > then it is of bad taste. Updated Aurora - and again link /etc/aurora/Monitor broken. Something that was reported half an year ago. May be, Aurora development is not under Mandrake control, but packaging? -andrej
RE: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
> > Digital Wokan wrote: > > > I got tired of Aurora trying to make status and errors look pretty. I > > finally "rpm -e"'d the Aurora packages, and I intend to continue doing > > so after every system install until they become an optional part of the > > install (kinda like starting X at boot is optional... hint, hint, > > Mdksoft). > > Well, all I need to do is fire up Mandrake Control Center and under Boot - > Boot Config, uncheck the "Launch Aurora at boot time" option, and it goes > away!!! Seems kind of optional to me! > Eh? My point was not "how do I disable Aurora". My point was "how do I get the working Aurora". See the difference? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
Yes, and I can have IE stop being my default browser after I've installed Mozilla. That doesn't mean I don't wish I had the option not to install Internet Explorer in the first place. Joseph T Watson wrote: > Digital Wokan wrote: > > I got tired of Aurora trying to make status and errors look pretty. I > > finally "rpm -e"'d the Aurora packages, and I intend to continue doing > > so after every system install until they become an optional part of the > > install (kinda like starting X at boot is optional... hint, hint, > > Mdksoft). > > Well, all I need to do is fire up Mandrake Control Center and under Boot - > Boot Config, uncheck the "Launch Aurora at boot time" option, and it goes > away!!! Seems kind of optional to me!
Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
Well, all I need to do is fire up Mandrake Control Center and under Boot
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Boot Config, uncheck the "Launch Aurora at boot time" option, and it
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away!!! Seems kind of optional to me!
point being in expert mode those kind of "pretty" things should have
options
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On boot :
Enable LILO Menu Y,N
Start X (USE {G,K,X}DM Login) Y,N
Launch Arurora Y,N
Log startup to Root Folder Y %filename%, N
Robert LaurenceMartin
Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
Digital Wokan wrote: > I got tired of Aurora trying to make status and errors look pretty. I > finally "rpm -e"'d the Aurora packages, and I intend to continue doing > so after every system install until they become an optional part of the > install (kinda like starting X at boot is optional... hint, hint, > Mdksoft). Well, all I need to do is fire up Mandrake Control Center and under Boot - Boot Config, uncheck the "Launch Aurora at boot time" option, and it goes away!!! Seems kind of optional to me!
Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
I got tired of Aurora trying to make status and errors look pretty. I finally "rpm -e"'d the Aurora packages, and I intend to continue doing so after every system install until they become an optional part of the install (kinda like starting X at boot is optional... hint, hint, Mdksoft). SI Reasoning wrote: > > I could only get one "theme" to work within aurora... > and if kudzu popped up, it sent a bunch of junk onto > the screen and I had no way to get to it. > > --- Andrej Borsenkow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > There was no updates to Aurora for a long time. Not > > that there are many > > bugs, but still I'd like to see my Intellimouse > > finally working in > > Aurora ... > > > > -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora development dead?
I could only get one "theme" to work within aurora... and if kudzu popped up, it sent a bunch of junk onto the screen and I had no way to get to it. --- Andrej Borsenkow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was no updates to Aurora for a long time. Not > that there are many > bugs, but still I'd like to see my Intellimouse > finally working in > Aurora ... > > -andrej > > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Aurora development dead?
There was no updates to Aurora for a long time. Not that there are many bugs, but still I'd like to see my Intellimouse finally working in Aurora ... -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora update again removes monitor link!
Folks, that's ridiculous. It has been reported two or three months ago by several people. And after update I again get: bor@localhost% sudo rpm -Fvh Aur* ×ÎÉÍÁÎÉÅ: /etc/aurora/Monitor ÓÏÚÄÁÎ ËÁË /etc/aurora/Monitor.rpmnew Aurora ## Aurora-Monitor-NewStyle-WsLib## Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-Gtk+## Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-WsLib## bor@localhost% ll /etc/aurora ÉÔÏÇÏ 4 -rw-r--r--1 root root0 áÐÒ 18 10:40 Monitor -rw-r--r--1 root root0 áÐÒ 16 19:08 Monitor.rpmnew -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1782 áÐÒ 16 19:08 rc* Where is my link from /etc/aurora/Monitor? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
The problem is not free disk space and once remounted, aurora should have started up for real. Just a deal with the gtk+ness I suppose. Can't tell you about kudzu though, after reading all the stuff about that+aurora on the list I decided to leave out of startup. On 13 Apr 2001 03:27:01 +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Aurora also does not seem to work well with kudzu. I > > got a horrible bunch of gibberish when kudzu was > > activated > > I only noticed one setting that seemed to work and > > that was traditional + GTK Monitor, yet I got the same > > error message as mentioned below. I also got the > > message (during the first errors on bootup) that it > > could not make /tmp/tX1-lock. > > strange kudzu should not say anything when booting aurora, do you have > enought free space on your disk ? > > -- > MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org > --Chmouel >
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
kudzu works fine without aurora or when I use one of the ineffective aurora choices. --- Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The problem is after aurora is up and running and > then > > kudzu is run. The kudzu message is a bunch of > > gibberish within aurora and I don't know how I > could > > activate it. > > rpm -e kudzu, but it shouldn't be run :-( > > -- > MandrakeSoft Inc > http://www.chmouel.org > --Chmouel > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem is after aurora is up and running and then > kudzu is run. The kudzu message is a bunch of > gibberish within aurora and I don't know how I could > activate it. rpm -e kudzu, but it shouldn't be run :-( -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
The problem is after aurora is up and running and then kudzu is run. The kudzu message is a bunch of gibberish within aurora and I don't know how I could activate it. --- Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Aurora also does not seem to work well with kudzu. > I > > got a horrible bunch of gibberish when kudzu was > > activated > > I only noticed one setting that seemed to work and > > that was traditional + GTK Monitor, yet I got the > same > > error message as mentioned below. I also got the > > message (during the first errors on bootup) that > it > > could not make /tmp/tX1-lock. > > strange kudzu should not say anything when booting > aurora, do you have > enought free space on your disk ? > > -- > MandrakeSoft Inc > http://www.chmouel.org > --Chmouel > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Aurora also does not seem to work well with kudzu. I > got a horrible bunch of gibberish when kudzu was > activated > I only noticed one setting that seemed to work and > that was traditional + GTK Monitor, yet I got the same > error message as mentioned below. I also got the > message (during the first errors on bootup) that it > could not make /tmp/tX1-lock. strange kudzu should not say anything when booting aurora, do you have enought free space on your disk ? -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
Aurora also does not seem to work well with kudzu. I got a horrible bunch of gibberish when kudzu was activated I only noticed one setting that seemed to work and that was traditional + GTK Monitor, yet I got the same error message as mentioned below. I also got the message (during the first errors on bootup) that it could not make /tmp/tX1-lock. > On Monday 09 April 2001 9:44 pm, you wrote: > > I am having a real weird time using aurora, both > in the boot process and in > > the shutdown. Booting, it tells me it can't open > aurora, then after a few > > lines of the familiar boot sequence go by, it goes > into aurora and seems to > > begin again (ie the services already indicated to > have started). Then, when > > I graphically initiate shutdown or reboot, my > screen goes crazy. > > > > i usually use cmd line, but had noticed an earlier > prob w/aurora and want > > to follow it thru... > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
I also have an Aurora problem. During startup it's fine, but I only get the old text shutdown. Owen On Monday 09 April 2001 9:44 pm, you wrote: > I am having a real weird time using aurora, both in the boot process and in > the shutdown. Booting, it tells me it can't open aurora, then after a few > lines of the familiar boot sequence go by, it goes into aurora and seems to > begin again (ie the services already indicated to have started). Then, when > I graphically initiate shutdown or reboot, my screen goes crazy. > > i usually use cmd line, but had noticed an earlier prob w/aurora and want > to follow it thru...
[Cooker] Aurora and boot probs also on shutdown
I am having a real weird time using aurora, both in the boot process and in the shutdown. Booting, it tells me it can't open aurora, then after a few lines of the familiar boot sequence go by, it goes into aurora and seems to begin again (ie the services already indicated to have started). Then, when I graphically initiate shutdown or reboot, my screen goes crazy. i usually use cmd line, but had noticed an earlier prob w/aurora and want to follow it thru... -- -m-
[Cooker] Aurora does not understand Intellimouse (imps2)
bor@localhost% rpm -qa | grep Aurora Aurora-8.2-5mdk Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-Gtk+-8.2-5mdk Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-WsLib-8.2-5mdk Aurora-Monitor-NewStyle-WsLib-8.2-5mdk bor@localhost% ll /etc/aurora ÉÔÏÇÏ 4 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 43 áÐÒ 6 21:45 Monitor -> ../../lib/aurora/Monitors/Traditional-WsLib* -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1782 íÁÒ 27 19:41 rc* bor@localhost% cat /etc/sysconfig/mouse MOUSETYPE=imps2 XMOUSETYPE=IMPS/2 FULLNAME="PS/2|Generic PS2 Wheel Mouse" XEMU3=no WHEEL=yes device=psaux I get no mouse in Aurora. If I change MOUSETYPE to ps2 it works in Aurora, but then mouse on console is screwed up. -andrej
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
On 08/03/2001 11:37:25 -0300 Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > > On Tuesday 06 March 2001 18:35, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > So sprach Andrej Borsenkow am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:57:47AM +0300: > > > > > > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > > > > > > > > > > imagine how > > > > > > > > > > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on > 17" > > > > > > monitor before :-) > > > > > > > > > > So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and > > > > > review with > > > > > shift/pageup? > > > > > > > > Sorry? Can you elaborate? I could never scroll console, with or > > > > without frambuffer. > > > > > > SHIFT+PageUp / PageDown scrolls the console. > > > > > > > Hey, that would be really useful - but it doesn't do it on my box. > > > > Nor does it here. Hence I was a bit surprised. It works, but if you change consoles (Alt+F1, etc) it "forgets" the scroll buffer of the previous console. -- []'s|.~. Daniel Serodio (lobo on irc)|/V\www.linux.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^`~'^
[Cooker] aurora ?
I have a few doubts on aurora.the version I had installed does not seem to start a Xserver.happy about that as it reduses the memory used drastically.but what interface does it actually use svga lib?or what.and still it hogs around 1.5MB of memory.can we reduse this.I think 1.5MB for a decorative stuff is toomuch still.and can be setup aurora so that even after shutdown we get the graphic powerdown screen?and also while starting up we need a splash screen while the kernelboots so that we never see text mode atall. sanjeev
[Cooker] Aurora-Monitor-Traditional-Gtk+-8.2-2mdk prints a lot of errors
Hi! I'm trying all the Aurora monitors. Now I'm at Traditional-Gtk+. When booting, it prints out a lot of errors. Most of the time it complains that it cannot load icons - no wonder, it's looking for something like /./.xpm. And right at the beginning it was looking for /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit, which of course couldn't be found as /usr isn't mounted at that time. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 0 hours 6 minutes
[Cooker] Aurora-Monitor-NewStyle-WsLib-8.2-2mdk not showing much
So I finally tried Aurora. I've choosen the NewStyle-WsLib monitor. But, it is not showing much, that is, there are only 5 icons shown and clicking on those icons doesn't do anything much either. Is this behaviour known? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 0 hours 8 minutes
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Peter Ruskin wrote: > On Tuesday 06 March 2001 18:35, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > So sprach Andrej Borsenkow am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:57:47AM +0300: > > > > > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > > > > > > > > imagine how > > > > > > > > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" > > > > > monitor before :-) > > > > > > > > So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and > > > > review with > > > > shift/pageup? > > > > > > Sorry? Can you elaborate? I could never scroll console, with or > > > without frambuffer. > > > > SHIFT+PageUp / PageDown scrolls the console. > > > > Hey, that would be really useful - but it doesn't do it on my box. > Nor does it here. Hence I was a bit surprised. -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora X11 monitor glitches
I've tried X11 monitor in Aurora-8.1. It has a couple of gotchas - first, it cannot be started at boot time because root is still read-only and X server tries to create /tmp/... file. Aurora starts later, but error messages are confusing. It has very nasty flickering when updating screen (here, ASUS V7100 32MB card, GF2 MX, XFree86-4.0.2a with default server, no special nVidia one). In general, look'n'feel of framebuffer version is much better. BTW I can click on icons in X version, but nothing happens. Is it expected? -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora 8.1 - hangs when switching from graphic to text console
bor@localhost ~/.kde $ rpm -q -a | grep Aurora Aurora-gMonitor-8.1-0mdk Aurora-8.1-0mdk Aurora-mwsMonitor-8.1-0mdk Aurora-wsMonitor-8.1-0mdk bor@localhost ~/.kde $ ll /etc/aurora ÉÔÏÇÏ 4 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 35 íÁÒ 8 13:21 Monitor -> ../../lib/aurora/Monitors/wsMonitor* -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 747 íÁÒ 5 20:27 rc* (link was made by e, installation failed was already reported) image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hdb7 append=" hdd=ide-scsi ide1=autotune ide0=autotune" vga=788 read-only initrd=/boot/initrd.img kernel-2.4.1-7mdk without modifications I had this case two times - once immediately after boot and once when I wanted to go back from Alt-F12. In both cases nothing more was possible, I had to press reset. It is hardly kernel issue, I had it with 2.4.2-6mdk as well after updating Aurora. -andrej
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
On Tuesday 06 March 2001 18:35, Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach Andrej Borsenkow am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:57:47AM +0300: > > > > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > > > > > > imagine how > > > > > > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" > > > > monitor before :-) > > > > > > So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and > > > review with > > > shift/pageup? > > > > Sorry? Can you elaborate? I could never scroll console, with or > > without frambuffer. > > SHIFT+PageUp / PageDown scrolls the console. > Hey, that would be really useful - but it doesn't do it on my box. -- Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 KDE 2.1 Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 8 hours 51 minutes
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
So sprach Andrej Borsenkow am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:57:47AM +0300: > > > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > > imagine how > > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor > > > before :-) > > > > So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and > > review with > > shift/pageup? > > > > Sorry? Can you elaborate? I could never scroll console, with or without > frambuffer. SHIFT+PageUp / PageDown scrolls the console. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 2 hours 8 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Aurora and monitors
So sprach Andrej Borsenkow am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:26:40AM +0300: > correct way to handle it ... you probably cannot express "requires at least > one of the" in RPM ... Not really, no, but you can add "virtual" Requires to a spec. Eg: In one (or more) spec(s), you write: Provides: Aurora-Monitor now you can write in another spec: Requires: Aurora-Monitor This way you can kinda write that it "requires at least one of them". But I don't know how to write "requires no more than one of them, but it is not important which one". Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 15 hours 19 minutes
[Cooker] Aurora and monitors
Updating Aurora-7.2 -> Aurora-8.0 gives no error and results in unusable Aurora because all monitors were splitted out. I am not sure what is the correct way to handle it ... you probably cannot express "requires at least one of the" in RPM ... -andrej Have a nice DOS! B >>
RE: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
> > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > imagine how > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor > > before :-) > > So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and > review with > shift/pageup? > Sorry? Can you elaborate? I could never scroll console, with or without frambuffer. -andrej
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
On Monday 05 March 2001 00:59, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > > So sprach Armisis Aieoln am Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 09:49:45PM -0500: > > BTW: How do I ENABLE Aurora? I've installed the Aurora RPM, what should > > I do next? > > Enable framebuffer - add vga=xxx to boot section in lilo (do not ask about > grub). Look in frambuffer howto how modes are computed. It's done the same way in grub. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add something like vga=791 (1024x768x16bit) to the end of the line. Here's a cut from my menu.lst title linux kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 hdd=ide-scsi vga=791 Then run the script /boot/grub/install.sh > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot imagine how > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor > before :-) So how do you change the number of lines you can scroll back and review with shift/pageup? -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] Aurora-8.0-121mdk with wsMonitor - text does not fit on the screen
bor@localhost ~ $ rpm -q -a | grep Aurora Aurora-8.0-121mdk Aurora-gMonitor-8.0-120mdk Aurora-mwsMonitor-8.0-120mdk Aurora-wsMonitor-8.0-120mdk bor@localhost ~ $ ll /etc/aurora total 4 lrwxrwxrwx1 root bor30 íÁÒ 5 21:07 Monitor -> /lib/aurora/Monitors/wsMonitor* -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 747 íÁÒ 2 17:07 rc* vga=788 on 17" monitor. Text does not fit verticaly on the left bar. I have logo, list of boot modes, the heading "Options" and everything below is cut off. Once againg the same question - how to use mouse with framebuffer Aurora? -andrej
RE: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
> > > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot > imagine how > > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor > > before :-) -andrej > > Actually I do not like framebuffer - it's noticeably slower than pure text > output. > It's a matter of taste. It is fast enough for me (I cannot read faster anyway) and I like look'n'feel of it. > > But does this mean that I have to use Framebuffer when I want to > use Aurora? > I don't think I'd actually like this (since it's too slow...) > AFAIK you can use famebuffer or dedicated X server. I never tried the latter. -andrej
RE: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Andrej Borsenkow said: > Enable framebuffer - add vga=xxx to boot section in lilo (do not ask about > grub). Look in frambuffer howto how modes are computed. Thanks, I will do! > Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot imagine how > could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor > before :-) -andrej Actually I do not like framebuffer - it's noticeably slower than pure text output. And as far as 80x24 is concerned - simply change the font to something smaller, and you'll get 80x50 - which is good enough for *ME*. No need for framebuffer just for this. And 132xXX is just too damn small for my eyes on a 17". But does this mean that I have to use Framebuffer when I want to use Aurora? I don't think I'd actually like this (since it's too slow...) Hmm, are there any advantages in using framebuffer? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 21 hours 52 minutes
[Cooker] Aurora-XXX-121mdk??
[root@fulgore:/home/ftp/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS]# ls -l A urora-* -rw-r--r--1 7382 300548806 Mar 2 09:15 Aurora-8.0-121mdk.i586.rpm -rw-r--r--1 7382 300280067 Mar 2 09:31 Aurora-gMonitor-8.0-120mdk.i586.rpm -rw-r--r--1 7382 300 50758 Mar 2 09:31 Aurora-mwsMonitor-8.0-120mdk.i586.rpm -rw-r--r--1 7382 300 52395 Mar 2 09:32 Aurora-wsMonitor-8.0-120mdk.i586.rpm [root@fulgore:/home/ftp/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS]# Are these packages built from different srpms? Either way, the -120mdk won't install with the -121mdk ... -- Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
> > > So sprach Armisis Aieoln am Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 09:49:45PM -0500: > > The old Aurora in 7.2 was ok cause showed a list not just > flashing words so > > fast one cant read it like the new one. The new one is of no use > to me and i > > cant figure out how to get rid of it. > > rpm -e Aurora > > BTW: How do I ENABLE Aurora? I've installed the Aurora RPM, what should I > do next? > Enable framebuffer - add vga=xxx to boot section in lilo (do not ask about grub). Look in frambuffer howto how modes are computed. Actually, I like framebuffer independently of Aurora - I cannot imagine how could I live with these 80x24 ugly super-large characters on 17" monitor before :-) -andrej
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
So sprach andre am Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 12:38:29AM +0100: > There are 4 Aurora packages. Install one of the 3 left The *monitor packages? Doesn't work, since they are, like someone else already said, still at -120mdk and require Aurora -120mdk, which is not available. But okay, assuming that they were at -121mdk: Would this be all I had to do? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 13 hours 31 minutes
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
> > So sprach Armisis Aieoln am Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 09:49:45PM -0500: > > The old Aurora in 7.2 was ok cause showed a list not just flashing words so > > fast one cant read it like the new one. The new one is of no use to me and i > > cant figure out how to get rid of it. > > rpm -e Aurora > > BTW: How do I ENABLE Aurora? I've installed the Aurora RPM, what should I > do next? There are 4 Aurora packages. Install one of the 3 left > > > Once it is informitive for troubleshooting (expecialy always running a > > cookerversion like i do) then i would be glad to use it!! > > For troubleshooting, I think that especially Aurora is of no use at all. I > even set in /etc/sysconfig/init BOOTUP=verbose, so that the messages printed > during boot are somewhat more informative. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de >iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > Uptime: 7 hours 14 minutes > >
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Thank you Alexander, that took care of my problem! Dave On Sunday 04 March 2001 18:45, you wrote: > So sprach Armisis Aieoln am Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 09:49:45PM -0500: > > The old Aurora in 7.2 was ok cause showed a list not just flashing words > > so fast one cant read it like the new one. The new one is of no use to > > me and i cant figure out how to get rid of it. > > rpm -e Aurora > > BTW: How do I ENABLE Aurora? I've installed the Aurora RPM, what should I > do next? > > > Once it is informitive for troubleshooting (expecialy always running a > > cookerversion like i do) then i would be glad to use it!! > > For troubleshooting, I think that especially Aurora is of no use at all. I > even set in /etc/sysconfig/init BOOTUP=verbose, so that the messages > printed during boot are somewhat more informative. > > Alexander Skwar
Re: Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
So sprach Armisis Aieoln am Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 09:49:45PM -0500: > The old Aurora in 7.2 was ok cause showed a list not just flashing words so > fast one cant read it like the new one. The new one is of no use to me and i > cant figure out how to get rid of it. rpm -e Aurora BTW: How do I ENABLE Aurora? I've installed the Aurora RPM, what should I do next? > Once it is informitive for troubleshooting (expecialy always running a > cookerversion like i do) then i would be glad to use it!! For troubleshooting, I think that especially Aurora is of no use at all. I even set in /etc/sysconfig/init BOOTUP=verbose, so that the messages printed during boot are somewhat more informative. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 7 hours 14 minutes
Fwd: Re: [Cooker] Aurora
The old Aurora in 7.2 was ok cause showed a list not just flashing words so fast one cant read it like the new one. The new one is of no use to me and i cant figure out how to get rid of it. Once it is informitive for troubleshooting (expecialy always running a cookerversion like i do) then i would be glad to use it!! dave On Sunday 04 March 2001 15:25, you wrote: > All of the Aurora monitor programs require 8.0-120mdk when Aurora itself is > 8.0-121mdk ---
[Cooker] Aurora 8.0-121mdk and Aurora-mwsMonitor-8.0-120
All of the Aurora monitor programs require 8.0-120mdk when Aurora itself is 8.0-121mdk -- Thanks Jorg
Re: [Cooker] Aurora look'n'feel selection in drakboot
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 10:17:58AM +0300, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: > drakboot contains placeholder to select Aurora look'n'feel (older layout with > messages or new, icons only). Is it really possible currently (how?) or just > FFR? > > BTW drakboot does not request root password and, of course, cannot change > anything. the aurora part is not functionnal for the momment due to teh fact that aurora is still under developpement. But i will do it in the few next days (with root password and so on..) when it will merged with the old bootdrake (grub/lilo config tool). we needed to include it in a package to test it... yves -- Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] "perl is just an one-line editor" (c) Egil
[Cooker] Aurora look'n'feel selection in drakboot
drakboot contains placeholder to select Aurora look'n'feel (older layout with messages or new, icons only). Is it really possible currently (how?) or just FFR? BTW drakboot does not request root password and, of course, cannot change anything. -andrej Have a nice DOS! B >>
Re: [Cooker] Aurora prevents shutdown?
The problem was due to a bug in the initscripts, resulting from the move of several Aurora files from /etc/aurora to /lib/aurora (where they do belong). The problem have been fixed by Frédéric Lepied. So just upgrade your initscripts package and it should work again... /Egil >Hi, >After corrupting several times my file system because of unclean unmount, >I discovered that if I terminate /sbin/mwsMonitorBin manually, the system >properly shuts down. > ># rpm -qf /sbin/mwsMonitorBin >Aurora-7.3-84mdk -- MandrakeSoft http://mini.dhs.org/PGP%20Public%20key.asc">PGP Public key Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
[Cooker] Aurora prevents shutdown?
Hi, After corrupting several times my file system because of unclean unmount, I discovered that if I terminate /sbin/mwsMonitorBin manually, the system properly shuts down. # rpm -qf /sbin/mwsMonitorBin Aurora-7.3-84mdk =-= kk1 Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
[Cooker] Aurora and xinetd conflict with initscripts
# rpm -U initscripts-5.54-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies: Aurora <= 7.2-17mdk conflicts with initscripts-5.54-1mdk /etc/init.d is needed by xinetd-2.1.8.9pre14-1mdk =-= kk1 Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: [Cooker] Aurora hangs during boot
On 21 Jan 2001, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > if ctrl-alt-del doesn't work, it means the kernel is in a bad state! aka i don't > > think this is an Aurora pb... Actually ctrl-alt-del is handled by init isn't it? Therefore if some part of the init process is stuck then ctrl-alt-del cannot work. > > try to boot with the argument : > > textboot > > to force booting in text mode and see what's append. I did not see anythign pertaining to Aurora, but the very last thing that seems to happen in text before Aurora starts in that the serial ports are checked, so that may have something to do with it, I am not sure. > > -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] Aurora hangs during boot
Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Today I just upgraded to an Asus A7V motherboard. Originally the serial > > ports were not enabled, and some setting (I think PNP OS) was causing all > > of the add-on PCI cards to get "IRQ 0", However, before I fixed all that > > Aurora booted fine, and I could use the system, albeit not the serial > > ports nor add-on cards. After the fix, Aurora now sits at a blank screen > > and nothing happens. ctrl-alt-del doesn't work, but I can hit reset since > > if ctrl-alt-del doesn't work, it means the kernel is in a bad state! aka i don't > think this is an Aurora pb... try to boot with the argument : textboot to force booting in text mode and see what's append. -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org --Chmouel
[Cooker] Aurora doesn't show PCMCIA card failures.
Hello, When booting without Aurora a written description of PCMCIA card detection failure was output to the screen. With Aurora the tick simply appears, even though the sound indications were beep-boop (beep-beep being the 'card good' indication ;-) ). Owen
[Cooker] Aurora doesn't show progress when running e2fsck
Hello, When e2fsck is being run somekind of progress indicator would be most helpful. As far as the user is concerned there is a lot of nothing happening ! Owen
[Cooker] Aurora hangs during boot
Today I just upgraded to an Asus A7V motherboard. Originally the serial ports were not enabled, and some setting (I think PNP OS) was causing all of the add-on PCI cards to get "IRQ 0", However, before I fixed all that Aurora booted fine, and I could use the system, albeit not the serial ports nor add-on cards. After the fix, Aurora now sits at a blank screen and nothing happens. ctrl-alt-del doesn't work, but I can hit reset since at this point the hard disk has not even been mounted yet. Aurora documentation seems scarce at best, and no errors are printed on the screen. Can anyone help at tackling this problem? BTW, the system works fine if I just do vga=normal, but I love fbcon so I hope I can get Aurora working again. My video card is still and old cheap Riva 128ZX. -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Cooker] Aurora
Tell me, MandrakeSoft people, why is it that when I do a CDROM install from CDs made from the latest ISO images, the bootup and bootdown are both using Aurora to display the process commentary, and it all looks quite wonderful, Whereas when I do an hd install from the latest 7.2beta tree, which is a much later development, I am only given the old line by line textmode bootup and bootdown process commentary? Can the 7.2beta tree installers expect to see Aurora soon? -- Regards, Ron. [AU]
Re: [Cooker] Aurora, rc.sysinit & Matrox Millennium 8MB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Van Degrift) writes: > This appears to be a bug, although I can't understand why everyone doesn't > get stopped by it: > ... > The output on terminal 12 is the following: > > Init: Entering run level: 5 > /etc/rc.d/rc: /var/run/runlevel.dir: Read-only file system Aha! Aurora seems not to be so angry having aread-only-filesystem. But the initscripts seems to confuse themself. At the time you enter runlevel 5, you _should_ have a read/write-mounted /... And, the probl. have nothing, whatsoever, to do with your graphics-card... I'l take a look at this, but I can't promize I'l even be able to reproduce the bug... -- MandrakeSoft http://mini.dhs.org/PGP%20Public%20key.asc">PGP Public key Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
[Cooker] Aurora, rc.sysinit & Matrox Millennium 8MB
This appears to be a bug, although I can't understand why everyone doesn't get stopped by it: When I boot, Aurora shows a menu on the left side and then stops with no way to interact with it. Looking at the output on console 12 indicates that it started Aurora before root was remounted as rw. It finally stops when trying to start the system logger. My Matrox Millennium system supports frame buffering (/proc/fb is present and contains "0 MATROX VGA"), but as I look through the /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit script, I see that the following section is starting Aurora even when root has not yet been remounted rw: Snippet from /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit (commented if was added by me to work around the problem and get booted): # If the partition where Monitor resides is mounted, we are able to # start Aurora at this point. Otherwise, we'l have to wait until it is # mounted... if [ -n "$aurora" ] ; then # if [ "$(grep -s /root\\\ /proc/mounts | grep -c \\\ rw\\\ )" == "1" ] ; then aurora_start # fi fi Is this problem related to the inability of the system to automatically figure out that I have 8 MB of VRAM on my Matrox card instead of 4 MB? The output on terminal 1 finishes with the lines: Mounting proc filesystem... Setting default font... Booting Aurora... The output on terminal 12 is the following: Init: Entering run level: 5 /etc/rc.d/rc: /var/run/runlevel.dir: Read-only file system Loading Harddrake . . Mounting other filesystems Starting system logger: Any ideas? Craig Van Degrift
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Peter Ruskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > "Khawar Zia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > hey, > > > > > > Btw how do u turn on aurora. I don't see any graphical boot up. I have a s3 > > > virge 3d 2000. > > > > You need to boot with a Framebuffer kernel, and framebuffer-supported > > videocard. > > Guillaume, am I right in assuming that the Matrox G400 card is _not_ > suitable for Aurora? According to fredl, it should work.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Peter Ruskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/matroxfb.txt advises to use the Matrox > framebuffer rather than VESA, which I presume is required by Aurora. we can't put the Matrox frame buffer as default in the kernel but it is as modules, i believe there can be some wizardy to boot on the modules rather than the vesa one.. -- MandrakeSoft Inc http://www.chmouel.org Paris, France --Chmouel
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
On Sun, 01 Oct 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > "Khawar Zia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > hey, > > > > Btw how do u turn on aurora. I don't see any graphical boot up. I have a s3 > > virge 3d 2000. > > You need to boot with a Framebuffer kernel, and framebuffer-supported > videocard. Guillaume, am I right in assuming that the Matrox G400 card is _not_ suitable for Aurora? /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/matroxfb.txt advises to use the Matrox framebuffer rather than VESA, which I presume is required by Aurora. -- -- Peter Ruskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrexham, UK KDE - the professionals' choice --
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Dr Michael Powell PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Framebuffer-supported video card? > and what would they be?? I have a simple and very very common (its in > every Intel Motherboard) SiS 6326 AGP 8M video Accelerater video chip, > and ever since someone started this framebuffer kernel stuff If I do a > clean install from .iso from 7.2beta2 it allows you to do a customized > install and you could un-select the kernel-fb. Now with 7.2 beta3 you > can't even do that. and in every instance in my install log, it shows > that framebuffering was attempted but video card didn't "like" it. thats > a quote from the log file. Could someone tell me why framebuffering is > used Is it just for Aurora, (apparently) > if so can we skip it in the future Just boot without parameter "vga=" and it will not start in framebuffer mode. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > "Khawar Zia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > hey, > > > > Btw how do u turn on aurora. I don't see any graphical boot up. I have a s3 > > virge 3d 2000. > > You need to boot with a Framebuffer kernel, and framebuffer-supported > videocard. > > -- > Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft > http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ Framebuffer-supported video card? and what would they be?? I have a simple and very very common (its in every Intel Motherboard) SiS 6326 AGP 8M video Accelerater video chip, and ever since someone started this framebuffer kernel stuff If I do a clean install from .iso from 7.2beta2 it allows you to do a customized install and you could un-select the kernel-fb. Now with 7.2 beta3 you can't even do that. and in every instance in my install log, it shows that framebuffering was attempted but video card didn't "like" it. thats a quote from the log file. Could someone tell me why framebuffering is used Is it just for Aurora, (apparently) if so can we skip it in the future mikey... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Aurora
"Khawar Zia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hey, > > Btw how do u turn on aurora. I don't see any graphical boot up. I have a s3 > virge 3d 2000. You need to boot with a Framebuffer kernel, and framebuffer-supported videocard. -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
[Cooker] Aurora
hey, Btw how do u turn on aurora. I don't see any graphical boot up. I have a s3 virge 3d 2000. Thank you --Khawar Zia
Re: [Cooker] Aurora requirements
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Aurora needs framebuffer support. For a self-compiled kernel, i suppose > this means VESA framebuffer ? And is there a need for any special > low-level driver, or anything else beyond CONFIG_FB and CONFIG_FB_VESA ? > Aurora will (only?) work with the VESA framebuffer, when it uses the framebuffer. Any other driver won't fit (however, this is not tested with, for example, matroxfb). The problem is that when you want to mmap() the framebuffer to memory, you have to specify an offset which is dependant upon the card. Vesafb does not need such an offset, you can just put 0 and it works. This is not the case with, say, atyfb. Agreed, this is a kludge. -- Francis Galiegue, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Programming is a race between programmers, who try and make more and more idiot-proof software, and universe, which produces more and more remarkable idiots. Until now, universe leads the race" -- R. Cook
[Cooker] Aurora requirements
Aurora needs framebuffer support. For a self-compiled kernel, i suppose this means VESA framebuffer ? And is there a need for any special low-level driver, or anything else beyond CONFIG_FB and CONFIG_FB_VESA ? -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Plus petites unités de mesure - de longueur : le millimètre - de volume : le millilitre - d'intelligence : le militaire
