Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Looking at the schedule (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule) I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which is good because I find a full week of conference attendance too much. I have some other engagements on the specific monday which I need to reschedule, which can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are forthcoming :) Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that are customary at apachecon ? (Like don't miss the party on wednesday night...). I figured I'd arrive early on sunday to do some tourism - (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.) Kristian 2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr: good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!* Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole Maven devs community Regards, Hervé Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it) face to face can help more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :) Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit : +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
it's my first ApacheCon too, so I don't have any experience either Any feedback from other appreciated Regards, Hervé Le mardi 29 juillet 2014 09:06:40 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : Looking at the schedule (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule) I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which is good because I find a full week of conference attendance too much. I have some other engagements on the specific monday which I need to reschedule, which can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are forthcoming :) Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that are customary at apachecon ? (Like don't miss the party on wednesday night...). I figured I'd arrive early on sunday to do some tourism - (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.) Kristian 2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr: good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!* Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole Maven devs community Regards, Hervé Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it) face to face can help more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :) Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit : +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
AW: Apachecon in budapest ?
Hi, I have to admit I enjoy the meetups with other Apache guys most. Especially the talks you have in the Hotel lobby after the sessions have ended or on one of the numerous after-conference events (Usually a booth crawl and some sponsored evening events will take place). When attending to the normal conference program you usually get what you expect, as you select the talks according to your interests. But it's the evening events you get to know other Apache guys and end up with tons of new ideas and projects you never heard of and want to start investing your time in. Usually after the third conference day are workshos and a brainstorming get-together-unconference-thingy where you discuss all sorts of Apache related things with other Apache guys that I wouldn't want to miss. The ApacheCon US 2014 was the first time I visited the Un-Conference and it was absoluteley worth the time. My recommendation is to take the offer to stay in the conference hotel and to stay at least for the fourth day at the ApacheCon. Chris -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr] Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Juli 2014 21:51 An: Maven Developers List Betreff: Re: Apachecon in budapest ? it's my first ApacheCon too, so I don't have any experience either Any feedback from other appreciated Regards, Hervé Le mardi 29 juillet 2014 09:06:40 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : Looking at the schedule (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/sch edule) I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which is good because I find a full week of conference attendance too much. I have some other engagements on the specific monday which I need to reschedule, which can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are forthcoming :) Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that are customary at apachecon ? (Like don't miss the party on wednesday night...). I figured I'd arrive early on sunday to do some tourism - (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.) Kristian 2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr: good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!* Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole Maven devs community Regards, Hervé Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it) face to face can help more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :) Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit : +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!* Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole Maven devs community Regards, Hervé Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it) face to face can help more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :) Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit : +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
ok for me Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 19:01:39 Jason van Zyl a écrit : All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014month=6; day=25hour=15min=0sec=0p1=224p2=250p3=136p4=166 It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point. On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser manf...@mosabuam.com wrote: A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - A party which is not afraid of letting culture, business, and welfare go to ruin completely can be omnipotent for a while. -- Jakob Burckhardt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Ok, I'll setup a hangout for http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014month=6day=25hour=15min=0sec=0p1=224p2=250p3=136p4=166 and we'll see how that works. Concretely let's try and talk about the POM 5.0 model, and I might try and do a little demo of the Maven dev tooling in Eclipse. In the hangout we can figure out what we want to talk about next, or maybe we just continue with POM 5.0 until it's sorted. If anyone wants to put some thoughts together we can probably figure out how to hand over control to various presenters. We'll figure it out as we go, it will be completely informal. On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: ok for me Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 19:01:39 Jason van Zyl a écrit : All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014month=6; day=25hour=15min=0sec=0p1=224p2=250p3=136p4=166 It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point. On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser manf...@mosabuam.com wrote: A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
I am in. We should create a google event/hangout on air and spread the word. manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 16:01: All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014month=6day=25hour=15min=0sec=0p1=224p2=250p3=136p4=166 It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point. On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser manf...@mosabuam.com wrote: A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - A party which is not afraid of letting culture, business, and welfare go to ruin completely can be omnipotent for a while. -- Jakob Burckhardt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
+1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
I can't attend it, but +1. ^_^ Things are changing faster. Maven need to change also. It's better to have a considerate roadmap for maven: I tried about one month on gradle, lots of interesting ideas that maven could reference: 1. stable incremental build 2. project dependency support 3. elegant and intensive profile(performance or others insight information of maven session) report 4. flexible dependency resolution strategies. (dependency resolution strategy should be plug-able instead hard-coded) 5. think about parallel distributed Regards Simon 2014-06-11 17:08 GMT+08:00 Tamás Cservenák ta...@cservenak.net: +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
+1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest. I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal to seed the discussion. -- Regards, Igor On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
+1 for hangouts. Jenkins tries to have a weekly project meeting (on IRC) and I think it is a good opportunity to discuss, involve contributors and follow the progress of the project (not only the code itself). Just don't forget one thing : Everyone doesn't speak english fluently and with the quality of hangout (or any other video/voice service) it cannot be always easy to attend such meeting. The most important parts are I think : * to schedule a recurring event to allow people to organize themselves to attend to it (even if it's not every week) * to have a light report/followup to be able to know what happened for all people who didn't join (that's why ML were preferred : async + history) Cheers On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Igor Fedorenko i...@ifedorenko.com wrote: +1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest. I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal to seed the discussion. -- Regards, Igor On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org -- - Arnaud Héritier http://aheritier.net Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014month=6day=25hour=15min=0sec=0p1=224p2=250p3=136p4=166 It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point. On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser manf...@mosabuam.com wrote: A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) manfred Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - A party which is not afraid of letting culture, business, and welfare go to ruin completely can be omnipotent for a while. -- Jakob Burckhardt
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it) face to face can help more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :) Regards, Hervé Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit : +1 thanks, ~t~ (mobile) On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
2014-06-11 15:32 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io: Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. As far as I know no-one is vacuuming the market for employing maven devs these days, so the chances for getting such a job by attending apachecon is probably close to zero. I'm not suggesting we change the world, I just think it would be a nice thing to do. Neither am I suggesting a project as such but if such a thing was to happen I would definitely want some kind of predefined agenda and maybe even some prepared materials - not just beer drinking. I am not impressed by the lack of evolution in maven, which also basically includes every side project I've seen up to date - including efforts outside apache. However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. There is no either/or. You can have your hangouts, I'll still see if there's interest in meeting up at apachecon. The cost is significant, and I am also unsure about the overall schedule/value of a whole week's worth of conferencing. But I'll leave that consideration until the agenda starts showing up. Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Apachecon in budapest ?
I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss future maven (for one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the big picture future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper 4.0 release and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current 4.0 list is quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) Anyone else interested ? Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
