How Did You Find FFL? (was Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The World is getting better?)
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 What happened to the Towers of Invincibility and all the yogi flying and yagya groups? Ah, the seductively simple solution, wouldn't that be great if that worked? Close your eyes and when you wake up the world is a better place. Magical. If I had even the remotest belief in it I'd be living in Fairfield right now. This is an interesting point. How many people who actually read or post to Fairfield Life actually DO live in Fairfield? By my count, it's only 6 people. Out of 1570 registered users. So why does this tiny, tiny, tiny segment of the FFL population require "special protection" so that their "finest feeling level" sensibilities aren't disturbed by the other 1564 people talking about the real world? Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth and be thankful we don't have to live there to post here. Not that that would be intrinsically a bad thing... oh you know what I mean. But it makes me wonder how we all found this place? I was looking for the Kaplan letter that I'd heard rumours of and a Google search led me to the files section, I had to join to have a look. I wasn't ever going to post anything, honest, but I got sucked into a conversation about God. And now 10 years later Great thread topic. I had been amicably divorced from the TMO for many years when I stumbled upon alt.meditation.transcendental on the Usenet. That was a real wake-up call for me because I had last even *thought about* the TM movement back in 1979. Participating on that forum I discovered that not only were there still people who believed in the stuff TM sold, they believed in it with such an intense, aberrant fervor that they were willing to stalk you into the next incarnation to "protect" their beliefs. :-) At some point during my a.m.t. experience, someone mentioned FFL. I knew nothing about it, and *assumed* that it was a TM TB forum, and that it wouldn't be of any interest to me. For a lark, I applied to FFL with that assumption firmly in mind, and thus was pleasingly surprised when Rick not only accepted me, but asked in his first post whether I was Uncle Tantra, the author of a book I had previously considered beyond the reach of TM practitioners. I admitted it, and he accepted me anyway. Kismet. I realized my folly immediately, and began to participate on this forum as the free speech forum it was intended to be. I enjoyed that until a small number of people realized that they couldn't actually make any rational arguments to dispute the "heretics" who posted on FFL, so they decided to drive them away instead. Consider me extremely pleased to see recent events, and "the shoe on the other foot."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The World is getting better?
From: salyavin808 What happened to the Towers of Invincibility and all the yogi flying and yagya groups? Ah, the seductively simple solution, wouldn't that be great if that worked? Close your eyes and when you wake up the world is a better place. Magical. If I had even the remotest belief in it I'd be living in Fairfield right now. This is an interesting point. How many people who actually read or post to Fairfield Life actually DO live in Fairfield? By my count, it's only 6 people. Out of 1570 registered users. So why does this tiny, tiny, tiny segment of the FFL population require "special protection" so that their "finest feeling level" sensibilities aren't disturbed by the other 1564 people talking about the real world?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What a sane moderator of Fairfield Life would do at this point
Thanks for replying, Salyavin. You make excellent points, plus the fact that you have replied to my post makes it more difficult for someone to suddenly make it disappear if he turns out *not* to appreciate the fact that we're both *trying to help him*. :-) The simple guideline I suggest would do wonders to "clean up the vibe" of Fairfield Life, if for no other reason because it would force people to try to deal with IDEAS instead of PERSONALITIES. Over the years, for many reasons, people have become lazy, and tend to reply to *ideas* they don't like by trying to discredit the person who wrote those ideas. Shouting "You're a poopy pants!" is NOT dealing with ideas like an adult. Hopefully if people pay attention to what we're suggesting they'll do this less... From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In four words (with no brackets or ellipses to pretend I'm not cursing when I am), given the events of the last few days what I believe a moderator of Fairfield Life would do if they were truly sane is: SHUT THE FUCK UP Y'know...sorta like what Alex is doing, and has been doing all along. Progress HAS been made. I think that all of us have become more aware of what the actual Yahoo-Groups Guidelines are. Just as important, we have become more aware of what they ARE NOT. They are NOT about censoring content, as someone attempted to do last night. As Curtis pointed out, they are also NOT about censoring language, because that's a non-issue -- Yahoo has never in its history had any problem with someone saying Fuck or Fuckin' on any of its forums. The real guidelines do NOT have anything to do with not being able to legitimately criticize public figures. And they do NOT say that people have to submit to what some self-appointed Nazi tells them to do or not do, just because he calls himself a "moderator." The most important of the *real* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines -- in my opinion as a long-term member of this forum -- is the one that a sane moderator has the best chance of actually enforcing: "Avoid personalized invective." That's IT. SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else. If you have the shitty karma to have been named as a moderator of Fairfield Life, suck it up and put on your big boy pants and try to actually accomplish something useful instead of just bitching and moaning all the time. Enforce the "personalized invective" guideline by quietly deleting any post that REALLY crosses that line. Avoid trying to police the use of "invective, period," because that's a lost cause -- EVERYONE here goes on a rant from time to time and hurls invective at the people they don't like. You can't stop it because it's human nature. Instead, focus on the "personalized" part -- if posters get their panties in a bunch, they should try not to lash out at *other posters on Fairfield Life* by aiming invective at them. THIS is enforceable. If you're a moderator, get the fuck over your own ego and stick with THIS guideline. Quietly delete any post you feel hurls invective at or attempts to harass a current poster on Fairfield Life, and then just as quietly write the person whose post you've deleted an email saying that you did it, and why you did it. That's it -- end of intervention. I would have NO PROBLEM with this approach to "moderation" on FFL. I will aid any moderator in helping to enforce this general guideline by trying to indulge in as little "personalized invective" as possible. On the other hand, I have MANY PROBLEMS with censorship of either ideas or language, and will fight anyone attempting to impose them tooth and nail. Your call. If you ARE actually sane, you'll take the increased recognition of actual Yahoo guidelines here and run with it, and stop trying to preach to people. Do your job in this one actually enforceable area, and SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else, and the forum will actually become the "better place" you *claim* you want it to be. Keep up the nonsense you've been attempting so far, and it won't. Simple as that. And it is that simple. No one really wants FFL to have it's teeth pulled to the extent they can't express honest opinion or the occasional rant without getting paranoid. Similarly no one really wants the place to disappear because Rick gets fed up with the burden of owning it, but imposing the Yahoo guidelines like they are carved in stone is a silly idea, especially when they seem so flexible we could probably delete even Cardemeister if we had a mind to. The FFL homepage tells you all you really need to know about it. And hopefully, I've stuck to it enough not to be considered a pain in the arse - except by the ludicrously over-sensitive. But like everyone, this week has made me aware of the reaction hitting "send" can have. I shall try and heed the guidelines without diluting myself. But moderation has to be carried out equitably
[FairfieldLife] What a sane moderator of Fairfield Life would do at this point
In four words (with no brackets or ellipses to pretend I'm not cursing when I am), given the events of the last few days what I believe a moderator of Fairfield Life would do if they were truly sane is: SHUT THE FUCK UP Y'know...sorta like what Alex is doing, and has been doing all along. Progress HAS been made. I think that all of us have become more aware of what the actual Yahoo-Groups Guidelines are. Just as important, we have become more aware of what they ARE NOT. They are NOT about censoring content, as someone attempted to do last night. As Curtis pointed out, they are also NOT about censoring language, because that's a non-issue -- Yahoo has never in its history had any problem with someone saying Fuck or Fuckin' on any of its forums. The real guidelines do NOT have anything to do with not being able to legitimately criticize public figures. And they do NOT say that people have to submit to what some self-appointed Nazi tells them to do or not do, just because he calls himself a "moderator." The most important of the *real* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines -- in my opinion as a long-term member of this forum -- is the one that a sane moderator has the best chance of actually enforcing: "Avoid personalized invective." That's IT. SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else. If you have the shitty karma to have been named as a moderator of Fairfield Life, suck it up and put on your big boy pants and try to actually accomplish something useful instead of just bitching and moaning all the time. Enforce the "personalized invective" guideline by quietly deleting any post that REALLY crosses that line. Avoid trying to police the use of "invective, period," because that's a lost cause -- EVERYONE here goes on a rant from time to time and hurls invective at the people they don't like. You can't stop it because it's human nature. Instead, focus on the "personalized" part -- if posters get their panties in a bunch, they should try not to lash out at *other posters on Fairfield Life* by aiming invective at them. THIS is enforceable. If you're a moderator, get the fuck over your own ego and stick with THIS guideline. Quietly delete any post you feel hurls invective at or attempts to harass a current poster on Fairfield Life, and then just as quietly write the person whose post you've deleted an email saying that you did it, and why you did it. That's it -- end of intervention. I would have NO PROBLEM with this approach to "moderation" on FFL. I will aid any moderator in helping to enforce this general guideline by trying to indulge in as little "personalized invective" as possible. On the other hand, I have MANY PROBLEMS with censorship of either ideas or language, and will fight anyone attempting to impose them tooth and nail. Your call. If you ARE actually sane, you'll take the increased recognition of actual Yahoo guidelines here and run with it, and stop trying to preach to people. Do your job in this one actually enforceable area, and SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything else, and the forum will actually become the "better place" you *claim* you want it to be. Keep up the nonsense you've been attempting so far, and it won't. Simple as that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
While you are entitled to your opinion, feste, I think you are forgetting what my post was drawing attention TO. That is, someone actually trying to DEFINE the "moderation" of an Internet forum by comparing it to being a cop dealing with an unruly crowd of "rough looking people" and being "forced" to shoot them when they don't do what the cops want. In retrospect, we now know how close this analogy is to the way he actually tried to handle the task of "moderation" himself. When he can't find any legitimate reason to delete the posting privileges of the person he doesn't like, he just makes one up and fires away. How Waco of him. At least we should probably be grateful that he has *demonstrated* what he means by "some assertion of moderation" to us, and that it doesn't actually involve firearms. Yet. > From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] [FFFL's] Twin Peaks shoot outs... > > Well, one could certainly empathize with someone standing by > monitoring and then in the middle of a firefight between a bunch of > bikers. At a point it is just plain self-defense to shoot or be shot > in the moment. Put yourself in the middle of a rough looking people > all wearing vests who are shooting at each other with heavy caliber > weapons. Once order is set in you betcha the cops shouted, “Hands up, > Don't Shoot!”. We could use some assertion of moderation around > here too. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 1:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy I agree with Curtis on this one, but TurquoiseB is in fact lucky still to be here. He should have been given a red card some weeks ago when he falsely accused, in a specially created subject line, another FFL member of advocating murder on this forum and giving that poster's real name, at a time when that poster was using an anonymous handle. TurquoiseB did this deliberately to defame the individual concerned forever via the Google search engine. He actually gloated over this very point. If that was not a malicious action then the word has no meaning. He should have been expelled. I believe he later deleted his own post but some of the damage had already been done. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I object to this overreach of moderatorpower into content censorship by a blatant misread of the explicitintention of this guidline. The guideline applies to members of thelist, and David lynch is not a member, he is a public figure. He is not being "degraded" because he will never read this and that is not the intention of the guidleline anyway. You areattempting to censor content to your own subjective standardinappropriately by misreading the guideline to apply to apersonal opinion about a public figure. Mentioning that it is a non sequitur to the post is also a misread of the intentions of the guidelines which does not address this at all since adding new points is the nature of a public forum. Calling it "exploitative" is also a misread of the meaning of the word. Barry is "exploiting" nothing by posting his opinion about a public figure and his actual actions. Please read what Barry wrote and weigh in if the community believes this is an outrageous comment that needs the intervention of moderators: What Barry actually wrote: Thisis amazing. You read through this and you think, "How could anyonepossibly BE so gullible as to fall for this?" But then you think aboutpeople like David Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a milliondollars so that he could attend an "Enlightenment Course," and thenMaharishi didn't even have the courtesy to show up in person to teachit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou reference: FFL# 416332 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.” Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on FFL kno
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
Thanks for pointing out the relevance of what I said in the "offending" post, Xeno. I'm going to paste it in below so that I can comment a bit further on its relevance -- not only to TM but to the person who reacted to what I said like a hysterical little girl. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" David Lynch is a public figure in the TM movement, and worldwide. He is not part of the FFL Yahoo group. He is in a different category than members of this group. Criticism of Lynch as a public figure is fair game on-line and in the press as long as it is not libel. I feel this is NOT a violation of Yahoo group guidelines and you are overstepping your authority. I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of days old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages. However, I did find that post. You have got to be kidding 'dhamiltonyk5'. I believe I know someone who went on that course. That person did not get enlightened. I think that person is very gullible, based on considerations other than that person having gone on that course. Saying someone is gullible is a mere opinion, but it is something that could be backed up with evidence. Gullible: easily persuaded to believe something; credulous, naive, over-trusting, over-trustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, un-suspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; Furthermore, it was not a non sequitur, 'TurquoiseBee' was responding to a similar event of gullibility, providing what he thought was another example of the same, so it was germane to the conversation. OK, here is what I originally wrote: Thisis amazing. You read through this and you think, "How could anyonepossibly BE so gullible as to fall for this?" But then you think aboutpeople like David Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a milliondollars so that he could attend an "Enlightenment Course," and thenMaharishi didn't even have the courtesy to show up in person to teachit. More important, after this rap I have pasted in the entire content of the post I was replying to. I suggest that people take the time to read it, for several reasons. First, they'll see that my reply was very much on topic, and dealt with a level of gullibility (in the article) that was almost unimaginable. WHO, after all could possibly BE so gullible as to have still believed this charlatan after all of these events,*including* the actual death of the person he'd hired her to make her fall in love with him. This story boggles the mind, because it is difficult for sane people to even imagine this level of gullibility. Second, I brought up an even *greater* example of gullibility. The poor boob in the story below only paid $713,975 to his charlatan, whereas David Lynch paid a *million fucking bucks* to Maharishi to attend an "Enlightenment Course." That's pretty gullible in itself. Much MORE gullible, however, is that he arrived on that course to discover that Maharishi had so little respect for his students that he didn't even plan to show up to *teach* this course, even though the participants had each paid him a million fucking bucks to attend. Now THAT is a level of charlatanry that the Manhattan Fortuneteller in the story below never imagined. But the most important point in all of this is that the poor schmuck in Brooklyn was so gullible that he found ways to *keep* believing in the charlatan, long after he should have realized that she was taking him to the cleaners. SO DID DAVID LYNCH. Lynch *could* have shaken himself awake and said to himself, "OK, you got taken. You got hornswoggled into paying this guy a million fucking dollars and he doesn't even show up at the course. Best I should just enjoy the rest of the course and then go home and forget how badly I was ripped off." But he DIDN'T say this to himself. In fact, when he got home, he dived into being essentially a full-time shill for the same man who had just swindled him out of a million dollars, *helping him to swindle others*. So WHY does me pointing this out affect one person on this forum so much that he forsakes every pretense of sanity and attempts to abuse his position as moderator to PUNISH me for pointing it out? Because this is HIS story, too. The person losing his shit over these two examples of EXTREME gullibility is himself arguably the most gullible person on this forum. Just look at his history. All of these years without a shred of evidence that the TMSP actually *does* anything, and he still clings to the belief that it does. He's still so desperate to be allowed into the domes that he ignores completely that the people who run them have systematically attempted to (and succeeded in) throwing him out of them. He still def
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This has really become too sad to get involved with. It's good fun though. You always got a lot of Bang for your Buck on FFL! No, it really ISN'T fun. It's horrifically sad. One can have *compassion* for someone who is acting out the classic "impotent old men trying to intimidate others in an attempt to hide their impotence" act, but after a while it's just sad. Rick, please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his position as moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of the task have clearly caused him to become mentally ill. It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now he's embarrassing the whole forum. Moderator or not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no longer bother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like our recently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, he has effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. I think it was good to see his true colours so soon. I just hope he's embarrassed enough to gain a bit of self awareness from it. He is just going to find mustering credibility a bit difficult from now on I suspect. The saddest part of all of this is that I would be willing to bet that he's so far gone into his mental illness that he actually believes he's WINNING this mock religious war he's started. Personally if I was trying to take control of what people say on a forum - not that I would - I'd at least try and lull them into false sense of security for a few weeks instead of leaping straight in with this fascist "you will conform or leave" bullshit. And I definitely wouldn't follow it with that flowery prayer "JaiGuruYou" which makes censorship sound more than a bit sinister. A fair point. Especially because he often uses that phrase as an epithet. I think he should follow his own advice and use "[...] You" instead. That would be closer to the way he actually uses the phrase. But it's just like the TM movement that spawned Doug himself, they're always saying things like "We're not saying you can't read that book, we just think it's not appropriate" This can be followed by a request to leave because you aren't "ready" to live in a TM centre and, presumably therefore, the age of enlightenment. Funny lot, all flowers and smiles until they find out you don't believe a word of it, then it's out with the iron fist in the velvet glove. And for your own good of course... I wonder if we'd left him to it he would have demanded I delete some of my recent posts on Nader and Hagelin? I've accused both of them of lying or delusional thinking. Tsk, a clear beach of guidelines. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou reference: FFL# 416332 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.” Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your writing removed from FFL.Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion of privacy as used in method. Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck','Nablusoss is Nablusoss', and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now going forward you shall bemoderate in this as Rick originally intended. Show self-restraintand respect for other peo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
This has really become too sad to get involved with. Rick, please do something to help Doug -- like removing him from his position as moderator. The responsibility and the genuine impossibility of the task have clearly caused him to become mentally ill. It was entertaining for a while when he was just embarrassing himself. But now he's embarrassing the whole forum. Moderator or not, Doug is now officially back on my Troll List. I will no longer bother to read anything he says or reply to anything he posts. Like our recently departed member, he no longer exists. By acting this crazy, he has effectively -- and ironically -- deleted himself. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.”“..and don't invade other people's privacy.”The dragging of someone in to an unrelated thread as a means to slur them using FFL, a yahoo-group..Whoa, for instance DLynch as a practitioner of TM worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi quite a lot on the teaching of TM quite evidently for good reasons and quite evidently Lynch knew well enough the scope of the 'what for and why' he was there. Quite evidently Turqb here is actively trying to slur and degrade DLynch personally by jumping in to this thread with an unqualified non sequitur posting publicly using [ 'exploitative' ] a Yahoo-group [FFL]. Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. -JaiGuruYou reference: FFL# 416332 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.” Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your writing removed from FFL.Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion of privacy as used in method. Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck','Nablusoss is Nablusoss', and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now going forward you shall bemoderate in this as Rick originally intended. Show self-restraintand respect for other people's privacy here. Simple. That is part ofthe communal collaboration asked for in making this a particularfree-speech zone as it was hoped for. Have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks A., good to know. In going forward with moderation on FFL, protection of privacy has always been a mainstay feature of FFL as Rick's free speech list. This feature of protection has been under siege and fallen to a form of a disrespect used by some writers on FFL. Everyone take this as a warning right now going forward: where someone posting to the list uses an anonymous screen name it is quite proper form on FFL as a yahoo-group to respond to posts using a person's screen name and make no mention of their real name otherwise. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please ignore what he says about me. He has it completely wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Serious_Richardbrings up in this particular thread an important point about privacyon FFL. From the beginning Rick has been intent on creating asafe-space of privacy for folks to post on FFL. Rick's principlesin creating safe-space have been under attack, degraded andmethodically violated by some writers here evidently to abuse or intimidateother folks personally who have been members of the community of FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanksfor offering this, Serious. Yes I feel this is an excellent examplethat you offer of precedence in how to directly moderate a list thathas gone so bad like this. I shall make note of it and emulate Rickin this as much as possible. The yahoo-groups guidelines themselvesare quite simple and require of writers only some self-control. -JaiGuruYou! Just for the record, I should point out that Rick banned me from the group without sending me a single message or email explaining why. So, I appealed to him and he reinstated my posting privileges. Apparently an informant objected to my using their real name, although they had previously posted under their real name
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buh By
Thanks for explaining that, Curtis. It adds credence to my intuitive "inner feeling" when I read Doug's announcement -- that by adopting the Royal "we," he was trying to take credit for something that someone with more integrity than he has had done. Message received about not speaking ill of the dead, to make sure they stay that way. Graphics are cool, though...right? :-) From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Buh By Here is how it went down. R was phishing for my professional name. I told him that I keep my names separate on social media to prevent casual searches from combining my business and personal life. He responded by posting my personal Facebook page to out my real name AGAIN. While this was going on Doug was occupied scolding Edg for his word choices that have never given Yahoo groups any trouble since he has been posting here. So I emailed Rick who acted immediately to restore order in the kingdom. Last time R did this he got banned for a month but was brought back because he was being talked about and couldn't respond. Personally I would like to see him stay in his crypt this time. I have not experienced such bizarrely unwarranted online malice since the other malicious R was ousted for trying to F me on the search engines. Both times Rick acted to protect my participation here and I appreciate that. Posting on FFL has been a useful tool for me. I hope it can remain so. That way that happens IMO is for moderators to take out predators with clearly malicious agendas and leave the rest of the adults alone to post their mind freely with having to to worry: " I wonder what another person with more prudish language standards than I have will think about what I write?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All of what I say below said, and meant, I don't think I'm alone here in saying that if the poster banned for outing someone turns out to be Tedious Dickhead, we can consider Doug's short tenure as FFL moderator a total success. :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'... I know you'll want to get right on this. Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post would go through. :-) But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient high. Uniform blandness will be achieved! I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to mention being contrary to what he promised Rick. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlik
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
All of what I say below said, and meant, I don't think I'm alone here in saying that if the poster banned for outing someone turns out to be Tedious Dickhead, we can consider Doug's short tenure as FFL moderator a total success. :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'... I know you'll want to get right on this. Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post would go through. :-) But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient high. Uniform blandness will be achieved! I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to mention being contrary to what he promised Rick. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful. Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don'tbe unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "Ifyou see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." Yahoo Groups Guidelines | | | | Yahoo Groups Guidelines Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. | | | View on policies.yahoo.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | # [..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing orseparating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-gr
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'... I know you'll want to get right on this. Turq B survived the first putsch. That's a relief. Yeah. Like Michael, I seriously wondered when I pressed Send whether my post would go through. :-) But I think the guidelines will be posted regularly to keep the fear quotient high. Uniform blandness will be achieved! I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with the *actual* Yahoo-Groups Guidelines being posted regularly. What I object to are the 1,300+ words of insulting SPAM that Doug has chosen to follow them with. They were written by a fictional persona named Buck that Doug is not supposed to be channeling in his duties as FFL moderator. And yet Doug is reposting them as if *his rant* is an integral part of the guidelines. I find that remarkably un-self-aware and offensive. Not to mention being contrary to what he promised Rick. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful. Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don'tbe unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "Ifyou see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." Yahoo Groups Guidelines | | | | Yahoo Groups Guidelines Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. | | | View on policies.yahoo.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | # [..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing orseparating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack. It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagemen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Speaking of the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines, I just wanted to let you know that the 1,680-word rant that someone keeps spamming to Fairfield Life in violation of the guidelines has shown up again. Some hacker seems to have pasted it into your post, just after the announcement. Much of it (everything after the first 300 words or so) seems to have been written by a previous poster to Fairfield Life who, as I understand it, was specifically asked by Rick not to insinuate his faux persona into the duties of moderator. Just sayin'... I know you'll want to get right on this. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines DearFriends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received acompliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL thatwas actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of theinvasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removedfrom the community. -JaiGuruYou "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful. Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don'tbe unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "Ifyou see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." Yahoo Groups Guidelines || || Yahoo Groups Guidelines Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. || | View on policies.yahoo.com |Preview by Yahoo| || # [..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing orseparating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack. It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum. Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit and moral courageto kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civildiscourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here toevenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up tothe folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discoursehas been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack ofmoderation let alone any self-control. The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it,
[FairfieldLife] The REAL reason TM TBs want to "moderate" FFL
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes it reads like continued harassmentand ranting at this point. It is getting time for folks to relinquishhere this antagonized feeling about the groups-guidelines and to moveforward in greater alignment with them or move on. -JaiGuruYou! But he is in alignment with them as you did used to post endless rants about how the place was going downhill, ironically in part because of your refusal to join in and post interesting and relevant stuff (like a lot of other people round here). You can't threaten people for complaining about you if they are justified in doing so. Thanks for getting my point. Since becoming moderator, Doug has been unable to find a single "offence" on the forum that he thought he could get away with moderating (a euphemism for "deleting"). Yet he seemingly has no intention of ceasing his endless rants about how this place "needs" moderation. Go figure. I'm merely suggesting that a case can be made that the only person still posting negativity to FFL on a regular basis and trying to bring people down by getting them to focus on it IS the moderator. And considering how much crap Tedious Dickwad posts on the average day that doesn't get as much as a mere mention from you one could almost say you are starting on a depressingly partisan note. I think we should all keep an eye on any potential hypocrisy from you. I suspect that such efforts would be justified. When the so-called moderator responds favorably to two people with a *long* history of stalking and harassing the posters they don't like on Fairfield Life, and in response threatens to delete posts by someone who is simply pointing out the moderator's *own* partisan bias, then something may just be rotten in the state of Denmark. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of "moderation," right? I mean, if no one is hurling "personalized invective," there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the "need for moderation" or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of "moderation" again. Ever. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations." All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You are obviously an idiot — that was a new post with new material. You
writers are just an elitist bunch of crappers.
On another benign note, I was once on a walk with a couple of people in
Washington D.C. who were working for the college of natural law (real estate
speculation). One of these fellows said that creativity was 'working to
accepted standards'. I disagreed. The discussion had begun because I had
brought up Gary Larson, the artist/writer who at the time was the creator of
the Far Side comic published in the newspapers then. This fellow did not think
Larson creative.
Another in the same profession, Bill Waterson who wrote and drew Calvin and
Hobbes is another who I considered creative. These two guys gave depth to
comics because their writing and art had subtext, it did not hit you directly
as most comics did with a rather flat model of humour, they forced you to think
and draw lines between the dots and appreciate the irregularities of human
behaviour.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
all the [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure. :-)
From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$&*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@&%$, sitting there
in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#& non-believers
spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile brown forsaken
liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some substantial behaviour
faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences like watching TV.
Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you insignificant squashed
bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of Incomprehensible Ascended
Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling on your knees with your
face in the mud you $%#&@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and your generation. A pox
on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on your Oh, what the
$#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
"personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
all the [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure. :-)
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$&*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@&%$, sitting
there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#&
non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile
brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some
substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences
like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you
insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of
Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling
on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#&@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and
your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on
your Oh, what the $#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
"personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
[explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative
deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted]
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of "profanity" or see a lot of
"nudity" but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Exactly. Just substitute "Gita thumpers" for "Bible thumpers," and you've got
FFL.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
On the entertainment forums I'm on we blast the "bleeping" which the
networks feel compelled to do often just to satisfy the concerns of advertisers
concerned about their perception of the Bible thumping Midwest. This is why
many of us are happy to have cut the cable where services like Netflix do no
such "bleeping" unless it's already in some show they got from a US network.
It's also interesting find what is in shows that come from across the border in
Canada that are broadcast.
Several years back the FOX network sued to try to get rid of some of the FCC
broadcast restrictions. They lost. It was a business move because after all
it costs money to create two version of a show. Case in point, the NBC show
"Aquarius" actually shot two versions of some scenes. The uncensored versions
played in Australia. I watched the show on Hulu which does not censor.
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of "profanity" or see a lot
of "nudity" but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Last night I watched a fun little movie called "Free the Nipple" on Netflix.
It's a fictionalized story of a real movement that began in New York to allow
women to go topless in the city. After all if guys can why can't women?
America is a nation of issues. And probably one of the benefits of getting
FFL email is posts go out before deletion or censoring can even occur. ;-)
On 06/16/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
"personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
[explicative deleted] [explicative deleted]
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deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted]
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deleted] or expectations [explicative deleted] [! explicative deleted],
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
"personalized insult" as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
[explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative
deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted]
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Expletive vs Explicative
Just goes to show you that there are people on this world so fragile that if
they hear an expletive, it affects them so strongly that they lose the ability
to be explicative.
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Expletive vs Explicative
Expletive is an oath or a swear word.Explicative is an adjective that means
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Om Dear Edg, yes by the way it would help bring us all (FFL) in to alignment with yahoo-groups if youshould drop the all-cap profanity and the in-your-face profanity you use in your writing here. As acreative device it evidently went over folks that you were not in fact angryuntil you now later explained what you were doing with it as awriting device. Possibly by instead inserting the use of brackets[ ], [explicative deleted] as in the Watergate transcripts most all ofus would understand and it should better bring your writing herewithin guideline and yet also allow you to be creative with theimpact of your writing here. -JaiGuruYou "Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting." -Yahoo-groups guidelines OK, for a moment there (Doug's earlier post today), I actually thought that there might be a possibility that Doug would allow this whole moderator thing to die down and stop using it as a platform to impose his own personal small-mindedness and puritanical beliefs on other people. But n. With this post he makes it clear that what he really wants IS to censor what people say, and to micro-manage even the language they use to say it. I look forward with some pleasure to seeing Edg and hopefully a few other people reply to this post appropriately by telling him to go [expletive deleted] himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was "Is Edg a quality thinker?" -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together "just so." If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, ba
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of "moderation," right? I mean, if no one is hurling "personalized invective," there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the "need for moderation" or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of "moderation" again. Ever. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations." All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was "Is Edg a quality thinker?" -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together "just so." If I was angry, you'd no
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About
Whatever. Here's a short version of the "atonement" from GOT (with commentary
from GRRM) for those who have not found a way to watch what is essentially the
most influential television series on the planet.
SPOILER warning in effect -- if you ever plan to watch GOT, you might wanna
skip this.
Game of Thrones Season 5: Episode #10 - Cersei's Walk of Atonement (HBO)
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From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
Someone here on FFL often in the past when I might discuss a TV show or
movie respond as "not my cuppa tea." When the first season of "Game of
Thrones" appeared on HBO I had that premium service and watched the first
episode. Not being of the "dungeons and dragons" mindset that was so popular
back in the day it did not appeal to me. Neither do most medieval or fantasy
stories though the fascinate many. I don't know what it is either than
possible bad experience from a past life in that era whether genetic memory or
an incarnation.
You also can't fault people here for not watching the show as they may share
my disinterest and/or like me not have HBO at their disposal. Unless you're an
Apple freak or still paying extortion fees to a corporate telecom it was
unlikely you could get GOT legally anyway. There is no more narcissistic and
elitist media company than Time-Warner. You must beg, serf, to see their
precious jewels.
The only show on HBO I have much interest it is seeing what they do or destroy
what was already a near perfect UK sci-fi series "Utopia." We're waiting and
probably to wait until 2016 to find out. David Fincher has said he is
dedicating 2015 to developing his version of it. This coming month HBO Now
will be available to more folks who prefer seeing things streaming. But it is
still not a wide roll-out. And really, $15 a month is a bit stiff.
You are a real fanboy of GOT, we get that. Just like Lawson is a fanboy of
"Bablylon 5". Not saying anything wrong of being a "fanboy" but the lesson you
found in the GOT finale is also, as you should know being that literature is
your field, found in other stories and TV shows as well.
FFL is a divine comedy that Dante would be envious of. One could probably
write several seasons of a TV series based on the the characters and events
here. :-D
Or at least it might make a half decent soap opera. After all it already is
one.
On 06/15/2015 02:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
This is a fun rap to write in a way, because the audience that understands
it will be almost by definition be limited to a small, self-selecting number of
people on this forum. The others won't really get it, and I think we all know
they won't do the "homework" necessary for them to *ever* get it, because they
won't watch the TV show. Basically, this is the rap:
My suggestion for the best example I've found in fiction to represent what
the mindset driving this recent push for "moderation" on Fairfield Life really
is, what the emotions and motivations are that drive it, and what it hopes to
accomplish, are the moments between 40:40 and 52:50 in the season finale of
Game Of Thrones titled "Mother's Mercy."
In that segment, a representative of the fanatical religious cult who calls
himself the High Sparrow gets to force someone he hates to undergo his idea of
"a! tonement," walking naked through a crowd of people who jeer at the High
Sparrow's victim and throw shit and and garbage at them, while his female
sycophant walks along behind the victim, ringing a bell and chanting "Shame!
Shame! Shame! Shame!" And all of this is viewed as not only necessary but the
vindication of spirituality and religion -- what is needed to "set things
right" and return society to its proper balance.
For those who have been watching Game Of Thrones, I allow you to choose who
on FFL plays the role of the High Sparrow, and who plays the part of the Crazed
Nun chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!" with a look of ecstasy on her
face, as if finally being able to do this *and* get praised for it is the
highest moment in her life.
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[FairfieldLife] None Of That
More video commentary on the eternal question of who protects the rights of Art, when others are going around acting as if they have the right to censor that Art because it offends them. None of That - Official | | | | | | | | | | | None of That - Official | | | | View on vimeo.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Journalism At Its Worst
Sunday Times Snowden Story is Journalism at its Worst | | | | | | | | | | | Sunday Times Snowden Story is Journalism at its WorstThe British Murdoch-owned paper publishes a report trying to exploit this mindset: "If some anonymous government officials said it, and journalists repeat it while ... | | | | View on firstlook.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] A Coded Message - What the Recent "Moderation" Is Really About
This is a fun rap to write in a way, because the audience that understands it will be almost by definition be limited to a small, self-selecting number of people on this forum. The others won't really get it, and I think we all know they won't do the "homework" necessary for them to *ever* get it, because they won't watch the TV show. Basically, this is the rap: My suggestion for the best example I've found in fiction to represent what the mindset driving this recent push for "moderation" on Fairfield Life really is, what the emotions and motivations are that drive it, and what it hopes to accomplish, are the moments between 40:40 and 52:50 in the season finale of Game Of Thrones titled "Mother's Mercy." In that segment, a representative of the fanatical religious cult who calls himself the High Sparrow gets to force someone he hates to undergo his idea of "atonement," walking naked through a crowd of people who jeer at the High Sparrow's victim and throw shit and and garbage at them, while his female sycophant walks along behind the victim, ringing a bell and chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!" And all of this is viewed as not only necessary but the vindication of spirituality and religion -- what is needed to "set things right" and return society to its proper balance. For those who have been watching Game Of Thrones, I allow you to choose who on FFL plays the role of the High Sparrow, and who plays the part of the Crazed Nun chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!" with a look of ecstasy on her face, as if finally being able to do this *and* get praised for it is the highest moment in her life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum
This reminds me that I have to set up an "evening out at the pub" with a friend
of mine here, who works for the ESA (European Space Agency) on two different
projects that have gotten a mention here lately. First, and most immediately
relevant, he was in charge of the database operations for the Rosetta project,
so I'll ask him what's up now that Philae has rolled away the stone and come
back to life.
But the other, more long-term project he works on is that he is in charge of
the database used to store info on comets, asteroids, and other space junk that
might hit the earth. Suffice it to say that this DB is *huge*, and presents
some problems we've discussed before (I used to work in DB, and was curious)
about the relational design of the data and issues he might face with
optimization and speed of retrieval.
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Philae only playing possum
The European Space Agency (Esa) says its comet lander, Philae, has woken up
and contacted Earth.
Philae, the first spacecraft to land on a comet, was dropped on to the surface
of Comet 67P by its mothership, Rosetta, last November. It worked for 60 hours
before its solar-powered battery ran flat. The comet has since moved nearer to
the Sun and Philae has enough power to work again, says the BBC's science
correspondent Jonathan Amos.
An account linked to the probe tweeted the message, "Hello Earth! Can you hear
me?" On its blog, Esa said Philae had contacted Earth, via Rosetta, for 85
seconds on Saturday in the first contact since going into hibernation in
November.
We don't leave anyone behind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4PCI0NamI
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC
From: "FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 15-Jun-15 00:15:08 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 06/13/15 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 06/20/15 00:00:00 121 messages as of (UTC) 06/14/15 23:26:39 16 authfriend 13 curtisdeltablues 11 anartaxius 10 Michael Jackson mjackson74 That sure didn't take long. :-)
[FairfieldLife] An Honest Message from the Republican Party
Already not looking forward to the horror that awaits us on FFL as America enters into its Silly Season and spends literally billions of dollars on election horseshit instead of fixing its many problems, I thought I'd pass along the only honest election message I've ever seen from the Republican Party: The Young Turks | Facebook | | | | | | | | | | | The Young Turks | FacebookPlease Don't Vote - A Message From The Republican Party h/t Rogue Kite Productions | | | | View on www.facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones tonight
I've never been there, myself, but am looking forward to my friends' stories,
because they might inspire me to visit there, too.
Are you a follower of "Game Of Thrones," Sal? This is what they turn Dubrovnik
into as Kings Landing:
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:19 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones
tonight
It's a great place, fabulous climate. I spent a year there on a TM course. You
might think that doing 9 hours of TMSP every day wouldn't leave much time for
sightseeing but you'd be surprised at how much we packed in.
All you had to do was skip the "knowledge" meetings and you had a few extra
hours twice a day for swimming, hiking in the hills near the course hotel or
getting a bus into the old town - pictured here - and having an evening meal or
tea at an ice cream parlour. You can walk round the walls of the city too,
that's a pleasant afternoon well spent.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Two members of my extended family are going to be watching it from Kings
Landing (Dubrovnik). Is that cool, or what?
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[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Place to watch Game Of Thrones tonight
Two members of my extended family are going to be watching it from Kings Landing (Dubrovnik). Is that cool, or what?
[FairfieldLife] W.W.J.S.D.
What would Jerry Seinfeld do? I mean, one of the oft-mentioned TM poster boys has been vocal lately about Political Correctness. He doesn't play college audiences any more because they've become so PC and faux-outraged at everything that he can't tell a joke there. Since it seems to fit in with issues and developments here on Fairfield Life, I'll pass along a short clip in which Bill Maher and Jeff Ross discuss PC culture (with a couple of obligatory Seinfeld mentions, so this clip is even TM-related): Bill Maher And Jeff Ross Slam PC Culture | | | | | | | | | | | Bill Maher And Jeff Ross Slam PC CultureJerry Seinfeld's recent comments that colleges are too politically correct have been met with a lot of backlash, so Bill Maher and Jeff Ross came to the comedian's ... | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion Writing more generally, soon I am goingto start following Rick's lead on this and start to delete posts ormore made to the list without warning where the invective in writingis personalized. Yes it is fine to comment, deal with and thoughtfully consider content but if folks are having arguments that are personalthey should just take themselves offline and spare FFL. Goingforward, personalized name-calling that is degrading, disrespectfulor humiliating will quickly be seen to become abuse on FFL. Read through theyahoo-groups guidelines and reflect. Where it is at all evident just expectto be moderated one way or another by any of the moderators withoutexplanation. Go for it. And good luck. However, I do feel the need to point out that the approach you outline above still leaves you as "The man behind the curtain," not only censoring the flow of content to Fairfield Life, but doing so in secret. If you delete posts, how will anyone know that you deleted them? Won't it be the same as those icky "protect your kids" software programs that keep the kids from seeing any porn on their computers, but that *also* "protect" them from seeing anything about birth control or abortion? Or, to use another analogy, wouldn't it be the same as you being the librarian at a small-town library and unilaterally deciding to remove certain books from the shelves, without notifying anyone *which* books? As I said, good luck. Generally, I do not expect to spend much timeediting at all on this or discussing this, particularly with trollsat all. Take the time to read over the yahoo-groups guidelines andwrite accordingly. Error well on the side of kindness and you will be wellwithin the yahoo-groups guidelines and fine. I appreciate and understand that some lot offolks here spend a lot of their life energy and time composing thingsto post on FFL. Going forward now, self-regulate yourselvesaccording to the yahoo guidelines error-ing well on the side of kindnessand save yourself your time invested in writing. Having to deleteposts is a terrible waste of your time and my time as well to have todo it. CDB, I am glad you are back.-JaiGuruYou P.S., The Yahoo-groups Guidelines:https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm #Jumping the shark isan idiom created by Jon Hein that was used todescribe the moment in the evolution of a television show when itbegins a decline in quality, signaled by a particular scene, episode,or aspect of a show ..and is seen by viewers to be the pointat which the show strayed irreparably from its original premise. ..The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadenedbeyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design,franchise or creative effort's evolution declines.# ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my concerns about Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it is OK to use Doug's real name officially. Much appreciated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be. Me: I don't see the connection. You don't? Huh. I should think it would be obvious. The worse it's projected to be, the greater the justification for opposing it. You are welcome to any interpretation you want to believe but my reasons were as stated. J: Doug will get bounced as moderator by Rick if he overdoes things, and he knows it. Me: When he let Richard back on I realized that I am on my own here and I have no trust in the system to protect my interests here. What is considered as overdoing is highly subjective. See the quotes from Rick's posts below. I don't think there's much reason to expect him to go along with oppressive moderation given his past history, both with FFL and with the movement. J: What Rick wants is for the horrific personal abuse to stop. Me: I don't know what evidence you have to support this statement either in its main point or your personal added spin. My guess is that Rick got sick of his bugging him about it and just wanted it to stop which I suspect is the same way Richard got back on within a month of being banned. Again, see the quotes below. It wasn't just Doug. (And I wasn't one of those who contacted him, just for the record.) J: Doug has various tools at his disposal short of banishment, including warnings and setting an individual's posts to come to him for approval before posting. Let's all relax and see what happens rather than expecting the wors
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confusion
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 7:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confusion
Imagine my surprise...
And mine, to log on this morn after a day away and find you here -- what a
pleasant surprise. I was off at (of all things) a large Techno/Rave festival
near Leiden yesterday. It was an all-day event with lots of name DJs, and even
though the crowd was *much* younger than me I enjoyed it. I would characterize
the overall vibe as being like the original Monterey Pop Festival -- a bunch of
kids having a peaceful and only mildly drug influenced (primarily MDMA) day and
dancing to some nice music and hurting no one. Here's me, sitting in one of the
fun props and set pieces the promoters created for people to play in:
So my question is, who exactly is the person Rick put in charge of
"protecting and enforcing the civility" here, the faux persona "Buck" or the
actual person behind the schtick?
I don't think we know yet.
I should point out, however, that you are assuming that there IS a person
behind the schtick, and I don't think we know that for sure yet, either.
And whose personal sensibilities are we to avoid (what Rauncy used to refer to
as) the pearl clutching reaction to things people write here?
Am I supposed to write as if the strict movement fundamentalist "Buck" might be
offended as part of his act, or am I supposed to imagine what the real person
behind the put-on might think about what I write? And who is that guy anyway
since I have read so much more from the mask creature.
Can I perhaps use the same artifice to express feelings I have, for example
castigating any person who would suggest that perhaps this easily offended
person should just "grow a pair" and stop trying to control what other people
express here? Would I be protected if I said that I am vehemently opposed to
anyone who might suggest that perhaps this whole ruse was just an attempt by a
person who doesn't have the ability to generate meaningful content here to
exert power over people with creative ability?
Would a post heading of "Why I believe that Maharishi was wrong about
everything" be grounds for me being expelled for hurting the tender feelings of
people with weak intellectual boundaries? (Would the suggestion that some
posters here HAVE weak intellectual boundaries be enough to bring the Church
Lady down on my ass? Could referring to the persona "Buck" as the Church Lady
be seen as hurting tender feelings or would it just fit into his Movement
schtick and be exempt from his mighty power?
So many questions...
And so few answers. Personally, I still have a few questions about the "What
are you allowed/required to call people" thang. On the one hand, I sorta get
Doug's suggestion that it's OK to use someone's personal name if it 1) appears
in their posting ID or 2) they've had no problems with people using their real
name on this forum before.
On the other hand, that sorta glosses over some of the more complex scenarios
that we have to deal with on FFL. For example, if a long-term member has used
10 to 15 different posting IDs over the years, and only one of them was his
real name, is it OK to refer to him on FFL by his real name? If not, and we
must use the posting ID instead, *which* posting ID -- the latest one? If this
person uses a different posting ID on The_Leak than they do here, which do we
choose?
See what I mean? Oh, the quandaries! Finally, if I were to give up on trying to
figure out what the proper FFL-PC way to refer to someone is and instead go the
figurative route and call them the Rachel Dolezal of enlightenment ("I'm
enlightened because I say I am"), is that an affront or being clever? I guess
the only way to find the answers to these heavy questions is to wait and see
how things work out...
FFL was one of the most wonderful writing resources in my life. It encouraged
me to write enough to express all the changing perspectives I had on the
movement through a long period of time. And although to some, my views might be
seen as not going through an evolution, I can assure you they did. Not about
fundamentals like whether Maharishi's model of development of consciousness has
merit, but in how I relate to people who still maintain what I view as a
fantasy equivalent to the Christian concept of being saved, getting
"enlightened." There was even a period after Maharishi died where I
experimented with TM again to give it another consideration from my perspective
today, on its own without the belief hype. And although I concluded that as
enjoyable as the experience is, it does not serve a value for my life today, I
loved taking that trip down Mantra-Memory Lane.
FFL became unsafe for me to post on a while back when people decided that going
after my personal life would be the best way to stop me from voicing my
opinions here. It worked and they won.
S
Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
Thanks for posting this, Michael. I had noticed it in the queue after the clip
I posted, but didn't have the time to watch it earlier. I really like this guy.
I don't know about you, but for me it's just a revelation to stumble upon a
spiritual teacher whose spiel doesn't make me want to throw up in my mouth.
This guy makes me laugh, he makes me think...what's not to like?
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once
impressed Turq
Words Of My Perfect Teacher: Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche Interview
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From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed
Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough
for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality.
This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film "The
Cup," and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, "Travelers
and Magicians."
He is also a Tibetan lama ("The Cup" was set and filmed in the monastery he
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered
a "recognized tulku," meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage:
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked
him for "The Cup," but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and
tried to get some "noogies" from him in terms of the "Oh, you're so famous that
I should treat you specially" toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get
It.
They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of "completely self-sufficient
equanimity" demonstrated as well.
Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to
Google "interviews with Khyentse Norbu" and this is what I found. It's a very
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage
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[FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough for
you, right? Well, here's some spirituality.
This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film "The
Cup," and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, "Travelers
and Magicians."
He is also a Tibetan lama ("The Cup" was set and filmed in the monastery he
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered
a "recognized tulku," meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage:
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked
him for "The Cup," but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and
tried to get some "noogies" from him in terms of the "Oh, you're so famous that
I should treat you specially" toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get
It.
They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of "completely self-sufficient
equanimity" demonstrated as well.
Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to
Google "interviews with Khyentse Norbu" and this is what I found. It's a very
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
ghts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and wha
[FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures
I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want. Take the issue of "group behavior in Fairfield." For decades the TMO and individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as "spiritual" as they wanted to be, in the *ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those people as a means of "solving the problem." I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield -- thinks that's the way he has to "solve the problem" of Fairfield Life not being as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of what he's said so far about his view of what "moderation" is involves PUNISHING someone for "not acting right." Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by shoveling out the dark; you add some light. Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that FFL isn't "spiritual enough" for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile, many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number of spiritual topics. Go figure. Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it deserved. The local city had already tried the "Fix blame and PUNISH the offenders" route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different approach: CRYPTIK | Facebook | | | | | | | | | | | CRYPTIK | Facebook"BUDDHA OF OAKLAND" ~ When Dan Stevenson placed a stone Buddha across the street from his house in Oakland’s Eastlake neighborhood, it was out of... | | | | View on www.facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I
would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM,
especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or
authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first "Vedic
psychiatry" presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are
more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a "threat," he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes
that he can get his act together and his "TM ego" out of the way and become a
truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that
hope.
I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any
desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have
stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those
guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud
instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love
to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends.
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on "moderated" status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted
here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the
tone for all his followers.
I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy.
It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's
been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no
other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done
consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor
ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU
use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way ("I would verbally slap
this jackass into the middle of next week"), suddenly it's a "threat."
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
"neck and neck" down the stretch until one of us finally "wins." :-) :-) :-)
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number,
and got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug
actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not
terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT
a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that
he's characterizing as a "threat."
Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass
into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming
expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition.
Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who
need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I
hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would
hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You
seemto hav
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris
Probably more than I do. :-)
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris
Does Paris have the Buddha-nature?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Here's a nice video posted by a Facebook friend today. The sentiment at the end
made me think of my dog Paris and how much I miss him: "When someone you love
walks through your door, even if it happens five times a day, you should just
go totally insane with joy." That's Paris below the video link...
Denali
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would "verbally slap" someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a "threat." Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a "threat." 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a "threat" in any way. He said, "Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer?" In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a "threat?" WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a "slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy," as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a "slur," let alone a "threat." Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to get it under control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. This is the place where prophets come to not be honoredheh heh. And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will "bear in mind" when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean "moderate," of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the "reference" value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel "insulted" by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the "right" to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all "insulted" by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this "brief" below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel "insulted." She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset "Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe." For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never "entertained" women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so "in tune with the laws of nature" that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author of the screed below want to admit. 4. A *group* cannot feel "insulted" -- only individual humans can feel insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and "insults" ALL Muslims. Bullshit. 95% of Muslims don't give a shit what some person from another religion or from no religion says about Mohammed. The people claiming that a *group* is offended are just posturing and demonstrating faux outrage. Below, this person is trying to "recruit" people who feel like they're a part of the group she's "faux defending" into agreeing with her, and feel "insulted" by what I posted. Unfortunately for her, many members of the TMer "group" here on FFL *didn't*, so she failed even in that. 5. Finally, the last and most important point -- and the one that those like the person below who are *still* trying to use this moderator boondoggle to "get" the people they've obsessively hated for decades want to obscure -- is that all of this is IN THE PAST. As such, it is not "admissible evidence" when attempting to moderate or ban anyone in the future. Buck has elsewhere *claimed* that he will base his decisions as a moderator on current activity. I don't actually believe him, or believe him capable of doing so, but he *has* claimed it, so if he ever tries to moderate someone based on their supposed "history," everyone has the right to say, "Now WAIT a minute, Doug...you can't do that. You have to show us the exact post you feel is offensive, and it has to have been made since you became moderator and claimed in public that you would allow everyone to 'start over clean.'" Doug, I do not envy you the task you've set for yourself. I think you were quite foolish to undertake it, in fact. But since you have, I really *AM* trying to help by pointin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" Historical insults and put-downs Mark Twain: "The trouble ain't there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
[FairfieldLife] R.I.P. Christopher Lee
What a face. What a voice. What a career. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11/christopher-lee-dead_n_7560232.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
I think I missed the part where he got "fucked over." It sounded to
me like he ran into someone charismatic, fell for their spiel, and now years
later is trying to find some way to pretend that he didn't make the decisions
he made.
For the record, some of the things he says about "Randy," his teacher, and
his over-enthusiasm to "recruit" him as a student may be true. I had already
*stopped* teaching new students (except to give free intro lectures) at that
point because the Rama guy had taken all of the fun out of teaching for me by
making it almost "competitive." Really. The schtick was "Find 12 students, get
them to sign up and then take them on as your 'apprentices' and I'll give you a
spiritual name."
My response was, "Big whoop...I've already got a name, thank you," followed
by "Well! , that's certainly icky," so I had nothing to do with teaching any
of these guys. I gave intro lectures and if anyone was interested in learning
more, I passed them along to the sanest of my friends so they could take over
their 'apprenticeship.'
Basically, I disagree about his premise that he was "hypnotized." Except in
the sense that he hypnotized *himself*, aided by a guy who fed his delusions.
As the guy himself says, "Since we walked in wanting 1) to be special, and 2)
for life to have some magic, they had us, whether we saw the gold or not." He
and his girlfriend hypnotized *themselves*, by falling for the first
charismatic person who promised them both #1 and #2.
For the record, what this guy Jim Piciarello leaves out is his role in
things once he'd decided to blame the decisions he made on "having been
hypnotized." He started working with cult deprogrammers from CAN that were
sicced on him by his parents, in an era in which the term "cult deprogrammers"
was synonymous with "kidnappers."
The only way he touches on this aspect of his "cult experience" is when he
says at the end "I ultimately got out with help when my concerned high school
friends and family joined forces, did the research on how to communicate with
a cult member who cannot think critically, and engaged me in a peaceful
intervention." He fails to mention the part where he later *joined* these
deprogrammers and got paid by concerned Rama students' parents to kidnap their
adult kids to "rescue" them, earning up to $10,000 a pop for his services.
He also leaves out something even more essential IMO, which is that the cult
deprogrammers who recruited him so effectively that he wound up working for
them took advantage of the same naivete that Rama had -- they told him he was
1) special, and that 2) his life would be magic if he helped to kidnap his
former associates. And he fell for it again, having learned nothing.
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife
Sent: Thursday, June ! 11, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
One guy's blabber about Rama, sort of.
The Time I Was Recruited Into A Cult
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison - Om Hare Om Gopala Krishna
Just so I don't forget to reply to this (and so you don't feel as if you are
the only person who has ever felt this), I interject a big "Me, too!"
Back in the day, as all this was still happening, I always felt that George
quickly became the *least* interesting Beatle, because he (as I experienced him
through his music) became the most dogmatic and the most compelled to think
other people's ideas.
Paul became the second-most boring because he started pandering not only to
other people's ideas, but to the lowest common denominator of other people's
ideas. Without ever introducing any significant ideas of his own into the mix.
Ringo was always a "sleeper agent" of a rock star, and so although his music
didn't always reflect it, he seemed to have had a grand old time for a few
years there in L.A. trying to drink himself to death along with his buddy Harry
Nilsson and John. Harry succeeded. Ringo -- to his credit -- did not, and
continued to be somewhat interesting.
The most interesting Beatle after the breakup was the most interesting Beatle
before the breakup. John was the superstar ("How right you are!"), and remained
the superstar after the group disbanded. I sometimes wonder what kind of music
he'd be making today if he'd lived.
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison - Om Hare Om Gopala Krishna
Haven't heard that one for a while - thanks.
Is it just me or does any one else think that after Harrison took up with
Indian ways - and after the Beatles' break-up and him producing his solo albums
- his music did come across as a bit - what's the word? - a bit of a downer?
He's supposed to have found God so shouldn't his songs be all light and joy?
(OK - My Sweet Lord is one of a kind.) But I prefer the old (ie, young)
unregenerate George when he was irreverent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LXzRp05VJo
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
I think I missed the part where he got "fucked over." It sounded to me like he
ran into someone charismatic, fell for their spiel, and now years later is
trying to find some way to pretend that he didn't make the decisions he made.
For the record, some of the things he says about "Randy," his teacher, and his
over-enthusiasm to "recruit" him as a student may be true. I had already
*stopped* teaching new students (except to give free intro lectures) at that
point because the Rama guy had taken all of the fun out of teaching for me by
making it almost "competitive." Really. The schtick was "Find 12 students, get
them to sign up and then take them on as your 'apprentices' and I'll give you a
spiritual name."
My response was, "Big whoop...I've already got a name, thank you," followed by
"Well, that's certainly icky," so I had nothing to do with teaching any of
these guys. I gave intro lectures and if anyone was interested in learning
more, I passed them along to the sanest of my friends so they could take over
their 'apprenticeship.'
Basically, I disagree about his premise that he was "hypnotized." Except in the
sense that he hypnotized *himself*, aided by a guy who fed his delusions. As
the guy himself says, "Since we walked in wanting 1) to be special, and 2) for
life to have some magic, they had us, whether we saw the gold or not." He and
his girlfriend hypnotized *themselves*, by falling for the first charismatic
person who promised them both #1 and #2.
For the record, what this guy Jim Piciarello leaves out is his role in things
once he'd decided to blame the decisions he made on "having been hypnotized."
He started working with cult deprogrammers from CAN that were sicced on him by
his parents, in an era in which the term "cult deprogrammers" was synonymous
with "kidnappers."
The only way he touches on this aspect of his "cult experience" is when he says
at the end "I ultimately got out with help when my concerned high school
friends and family joined forces, did the research on how to communicate with a
cult member who cannot think critically, and engaged me in a peaceful
intervention." He fails to mention the part where he later *joined* these
deprogrammers and got paid by concerned Rama students' parents to kidnap their
adult kids to "rescue" them, earning up to $10,000 a pop for his services.
He also leaves out something even more essential IMO, which is that the cult
deprogrammers who recruited him so effectively that he wound up working for
them took advantage of the same naivete that Rama had -- they told him he was
1) special, and that 2) his life would be magic if he helped to kidnap his
former associates. And he fell for it again, having learned nothing.
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rama Trip
One guy's blabber about Rama, sort of.
The Time I Was Recruited Into A Cult
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[FairfieldLife] In Memory of Denali...and Paris
Here's a nice video posted by a Facebook friend today. The sentiment at the end made me think of my dog Paris and how much I miss him: "When someone you love walks through your door, even if it happens five times a day, you should just go totally insane with joy." That's Paris below the video link... Denali | | | | | | | | | | | Denali | | | | View on vimeo.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" ...For example there is a wide range of intelligence here. Now somebody, we are not saying who, must be the stupidest person on FFL, though in all fairness, they may have all moved over to The Peak, that phallic symbol pointing up into the sky. Once we discover the stupidest person here, one of us, or several of us need to attack that person's 'person', their ego, by implying directly and forcefully they are in fact, not just in surmise, the stupidest person on FFL. Then, Doug has to determine if the stupidest person here person has been sufficiently maligned to warrant action against the violator for having pointed out a simple fact. Interesting. You certainly make a good case for how difficult Doug's job will be. Just riffing on this theoretical scenario, Anartaxius, do you think it would be easier for Doug to make such a Solomon-like decision if the person who had been named as the stupidest person on FFL had made eight posts just in the two days since Doug was made moderator, *each* of them violating the Yahoo Guidelines in some way? Of course I do not know. Suppose we called someone a criminal. Now that might violate the guidelines. But suppose that person was arrested the next day for a felony? Would the person making the now correct call be reinstated? Doug in posting definitions of various kinds of slurs included the word 'irreverence' but that word does not appear in the guidelines. I think that kicking a person off FFL for irreverence would be a violation of free speech, for from a religious person's view, an atheist is irreverent but has just as much right under U.S. law as people who have more difficulty grasping logic and fact. The religious unaffiliated are now 28.8% of the U.S. population, more than mainline Protestant, Catholic, and non-Christian believers. The only group larger than the 'nones' as they are called, is the Evangelical Christians. In the Netherlands, the religiously unaffiliated are 42.1% of the population and it is increasing. People are not just posting from the United States here. The 'nones' are 27.8% of the United Kingdom (as long as it remains united anyway). All good points. As for me, I don't know how Doug is going to work out in his new position as the moderator he's always wanted to be. His intent may be good, but I don't think I'm alone in questioning his ability to act fairly. I think the first indication of whether he can or not will be revealed in how he reacts -- or even IF he reacts -- to my two posts about his practice of spamming what *he* considers "The Yahoo Groups Guidelines" every day. As I've suggested, the first 307 words of that message (which has been reposted seemingly dozens of times now) strike me as OK, because they mainly ARE the actual Yahoo Guidelines, along with a few definitions of terms. The 1,300+ words that follow, however, are just one long rant by Doug, and one that strikes me as incredibly biased in support of one small group of people here and their viewpoint, while being equally incredibly bigoted *against* another group and *their* viewpoint. I honestly don't see how anyone who wishes to even *pretend* to be fair can keep posting it. In a very real sense, it's like someone who has been recently elected as a large corporation's Chief Equality Officer to insure that all races are treated equally releasing a daily memo whose first 300 words are the actual rules that prohibit discrimination, followed by a 1,300+ word diatribe against niggers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ...For example there is a wide range of intelligence here. Now somebody, we are not saying who, must be the stupidest person on FFL, though in all fairness, they may have all moved over to The Peak, that phallic symbol pointing up into the sky. Once we discover the stupidest person here, one of us, or several of us need to attack that person's 'person', their ego, by implying directly and forcefully they are in fact, not just in surmise, the stupidest person on FFL. Then, Doug has to determine if the stupidest person here person has been sufficiently maligned to warrant action against the violator for having pointed out a simple fact. Interesting. You certainly make a good case for how difficult Doug's job will be. Just riffing on this theoretical scenario, Anartaxius, do you think it would be easier for Doug to make such a Solomon-like decision if the person who had been named as the stupidest person on FFL had made eight posts just in the two days since Doug was made moderator, *each* of them violating the Yahoo Guidelines in some way?
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[FairfieldLife] Fodder for the ongoing AI / Robotics discussion
Can a robot be trained to perform Iaijutsu as well as an Iaijutsu master? Iaijyutsu Master Faces Off Against Sword-Swinging Robot Arm | | | | | | | | | | | Iaijyutsu Master Faces Off Against Sword-Swinging Robot ...Meet Isao Machii. He's a master of swordplay and a five-time iaijyutsu record holder. His ability was unmatched, until the Yaskawa Corporation decided to build a r... | | | | View on digg.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines If you really are the Guardian of the Yahoo Guidelines Galaxy, then it is incumbent upon you to do your sacred duty and ban all of us, including yourself because every one of us has ranted. And in all fairness Doug continues to spam Fairfield Life by continuing to post this 1,680-word rant over and over and over and over and over. He *might* be able to make a case for reposting the topmost 307 words of it (the actual Yahoo Guidelines), but there is NO EXCUSE for reposting what follows, which is nothing but Doug's own long-winded rant. Within the rant itself he also violates the guidelines himself multiple times, because he calls several people "bullies," (the sin of being insulting, and casting slurs against other posters), characterizes others as "dogs" (the sin of making unkind or degrading remarks), uses the word "F*ck" several times (the sin of profanity), and calls at least three people by their real names, which are not reflected in their posting IDs (the non-Yahoo but FFL sin of outing someone by referring to them by their own name without their permission). I would suggest that to set a good example, Doug pretty much HAS to stop posting this obvious rant, and limit himself to reposting the first 307 words (the part between the two # marks). I would think that if he were serious about enforcing the real Yahoo Guidelines he'd be *embarrassed* to keep spamming the newsgroup with this obvious rant, in which he himself violates those guidelines multiple times. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines # June 10# "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful. Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don'tbe unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "Ifyou see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." # [..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing orseparating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack. It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum. Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit and moral courageto kindly explore it. There evidently are few allie
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
"And if I could write I'd love to have the sort of patience that can plough
through endless old files and letters in dusty foreign archives, looking for
things nobody knew before. It must take years unless you have a team of
researchers."
Patrick O'Brien did that very thing. I used to love reading his Aubrey/Maturin
series of nautical novels. Later I started reading about that period and read
up on some of the naval engagements of the time and discovered that some of the
descriptions of battles he lifted almost verbatim from old records and eye
witness accounts. Still, he was a grand writer in my opinion.
My favorite author is Dorothy Dunnett, who did the same thing. She has actually
been praised for being precise and accurate in her citations of real history
"in the same way that Patrick O'Brian was, but better." Numerous historians
have commented that her two great historical novel sets -- "The Game of Kings"
and "The House of Nicolo" are "on the whole, more accurate than most of the
history books you can find that deal with the same eras. Dorothy also wrote a
marvelous book called "King Hereafter" that was a telling of the story of the
*real* Scottish king Macbeth. She considered it her masterpiece.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Re : "But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape ":
I asked you a short while back if you were a professional writer as you do post
polished prose in your messages. You said you weren't!
I am undone! But not really. To excuse the poor writing here I was refering to
a book I mentioned earlier in the day in another post. Without that pre-loading
I would have said "Guy Wilson's book on the Great Escape."
And if I could write I'd love to have the sort of patience that can plough
through endless old files and letters in dusty foreign archives, looking for
things nobody knew before. It must take years unless you have a team of
researchers.
You also seem to have lived in a lot of TMO mansions! You don't have a golden
crown at home do you?
I coulda been a contender...
They really wanted me to do TTC for some reason, probably because I'm
relatively outgoing and don't look like one of those pale cave fish that most
long term movement types remind you of after their years of eating rice and
dhal on long rounding courses.
But to do that you have to have studied SCI - Science of Creative Intelligence,
and after my experience of the Total Knowledge course the whole thing was
pretty much out of the question. I seriously doubt they'd let me teach as
promoting the "knowledge" is part of the job description. Their loss.
So eventual elevation to the heights of Rajadom wasn't going to happen as all
TM hoops have to be jumped through before you get a gig like that I should
think.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Just thought I'd respond to mention that I like this story (below). As it turns out, this is exactly what my strategy was when I was still competing in martial arts competitions (non-contact karate back in the 60s). I would just watch and wait, and then respond only when the other person had committed themselves. I didn't actually compete in that many tournaments (other interests -- like discovering LSD -- took me away from my karate studies soon afterwards), but I never lost a match using this strategy. The only memorable match I did lose was when the other guy ran this same number on me, but better, forcing me to make the first move. And I can't feel too badly about that loss, because it was to a young Chuck Norris, who went on to win the World Championship that year. :-) Interestingly, I can see how it would be just as effective a strategy when dealing with Internet trolls. Just let them sputter and call names and curse. There is simply *no need* to ever respond unless they cross the line and actually commit to a course of action that requires a response, like (citing recent history) posting actual libel and encouraging others to act on it. It seems to me that this strategy will be even more effective for dealing with our remaining trolls in the Age Of Buck. They won't be able to stop trying to "get" those of us they're obsessed with, but to do so they actually have to make the first move and attack or insult us. The moment they do, THEY are the ones guilty of "being unkind, belligerent, exploitative, degrading, insulting, using slurs, profanity or ranting," and thus if Doug is doing his job, they'll not only defeat themselves like the young guy in this story, they'll be moderated and "outa here," and we won't have to worry about them any more. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move. Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood there motionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed. Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. "How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away?" "If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it," the master replied, "to whom does the gift belong?"
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Computers Contain Filth: Pope
From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Computers Contain Filth: Pope
I think Pope Frank needs to stop judging all computers with the stuff he
finds on Vatican computers.
Well said. Can you *imagine* the amount of child porn they'd find on Vatican
computers?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
One wonders if he means FFL is bad for the soul. What do you think?
Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope says
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Technically Incorrect: In his latest comments about technology, Pope Francis is
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that!
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fancy that! Re "I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation": Barry - apologies if you've answered this query in past posts - do you still today engage in any "spiritual" practices? Could be meditation (TM even?); self-flagellation; ritual magic; saying your bedtime prayers every night; pranayama; . . . I meditate. Not TM, and not every day like clockwork, mainly when I feel like meditating. And that's just sitting meditation. I also practice various walking meditations and mindfulness exercises when I feel like it. Never into self-flagellation, unless you count still posting on Fairfield Life. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
ence -- with my heart and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear. Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back: everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such. Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.and AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. Unless you can show me the Yahoo Guidelines section that prohibits what you are describing...uh...it isn't. It's just you wanting people to react a certain way to things that you say or write and feeling unhappy when they don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: sa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes to just be honest. To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually -- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've *lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since -- living it. Please try to remember who you're talking to here. I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science considers "real" in this world and what it does not. At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*. While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a while. The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck was that?" I still don't know. All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really fuckin' happened. I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that *something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal about what is "real" and what isn't. That "real" enough for you, dude? :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions. If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-) From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking," but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent. A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it. So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during the period I lived there. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive ballroom. It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables. The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that many came. Hardly any in fact, but the inte
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions.
If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-)
From: Duveyoung
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking,"
but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of
my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or
you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Excellent.
A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it.
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during
the period I lived there. :-)
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Excellent.
A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it.
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during
the period I lived there. :-)
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part
of London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show Does the term 'unkindness' ever refer to a dead person? Great opening line. It's a fine, fairly warm sunset evening here on the patio at De La Soul, so I think I'll ponder it just the opening line and snip the rest of your excellent post. No offense intended. Really. My answer to your question is "No." One can *by definition* never be "unkind" to a dead person. They're...uh...dead. Let's face it...to believe that there is someone still "there" enough in a dead person to feel that something said about them by one of the living was "unkind," then you're saying that you believe they weren't enlightened, and thus still stuck in the reincarnation cycle. If they are enlightened in the Maharishi model, at death they become the drop merged with the ocean and there isn't any "them" still around to be unkind *to*. Which is interesting in the context of all this this latest soap opera hysteria on Fairfield Life, because if people are honest, what it's really about is that a few living people became so offended at what was said in passing about a dead person that they went bat-shit crazy. Some found this stuff said about a dead person so uptight-making and button-pushing that they freaked out and ran away to form their own cliques, in which they would presumably never have to hear the dead person treated so unkindly again. Others, including many who still hold the dead person in some regard, didn't pay much attention to it, and went on about living their lives. Go figure...different strokes for different folks. And so at the end of all this kerfuffle we find ourselves in a situation in which the people who pretended that someone was unkind to *them* because he was in their view unkind to a dead person (who by definition one cannot be unkind to) are still trying to "get" the person who they feel was unkind to that which one cannot possibly be unkind to. It's all kinda Zen and weird, if you ask me... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show And you [steve] are on the playground complaining about what? I find this all rather interesting. It would seem Barry is faced with a potential unknown obstacle. But he is creative and a good writer, he should be able to weave around this if Doug remains a model of restraint. Exactly. My approach to this new "Follow The Holy Yahoo Guidelines Or Else" experiment is to do exactly that. I have resolved to never bother to read or reply to posts from any of the four people I consider trolls, and I will do my best to not even refer to them, so the question of "insulting" them or "demeaning" them shouldn't really come up. The fifth person I have considered a troll for the last year or so is now the moderator, so I may have to occasionally refer to him and even reply to him, but I hope I shall be able to do so with some modicum of decorum, as I have done in my posts today. I already made my concerns about possible "lack of transparency" problems with FFL moderation in a post yesterday, and if Doug is paying attention, he'll follow my suggestion and never ban someone without explaining *explicitly* which of the Yahoo Guidelines he feels the person being banned violated, and without re-publishing the offending post, so that others can either agree with his decision, or disagree with it. It should be an interesting experiment. Even if I respected Doug's abilities to pull off this exercise in herding cats (I don't), I wouldn't stand in the way of him *trying* to pull it off. And besides, it could be worse. He could be trying to moderate a Clown Forum: The Greatest Internet Flame Wars Are Happening on Clown-Forum.com | | | | | | | | | | | The Greatest Internet Flame Wars Are Happening on C...No matter how much the internet may change over the years, there are at least two constants: absurd flame wars, and the wildly specific message boards from which th... | | | | View on internet.gawker.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Doug, Now that you have achieved your life's dream of becoming the Fairfield Life moderator, can I ask for your assistance in helping to rid the forum of spam? It would seem that someone has been posting the same 1,680-word message (below) over and over and over and over and over on this forum. Spamming is clearly against the Yahoo Guidelines, and even Alex used to remove spammers, so I'm sure you'll want to get right on this, too. Furthermore, it appears that the person who is stupidly spamming FFL with the same post over and over and over and over is using your ID to do it, which means that they are also guilty of impersonation, which clearly violates the Yahoo Guidelines as well. Please do something about this... From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines June 9 # "Your use of Groups is subject to theseGuidelines, Keep your content relevant to the groupand moderate it correctly.Be courteous.Moderate your content." “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don'tinvade other people's privacy...the group owner may remove yourcontent — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitativeor degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome arebelligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit oradvantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss ofself-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, orattitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Adisrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult isan expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which isdisrespectful or scornful. Slur:an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insultthem or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, orirreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keepyour content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don'tbe unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keepit [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion,may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo IDimmediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you haveacted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Termsof Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes youhave violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please helpus keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "Ifyou see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let usknow by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." # [..Some people evidently are notamenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups,organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for theutility and well-being of their larger membership by removing orseparating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lacktrust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has beenallowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of afear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of puttingones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied theopportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all thesnark of the ad hominem attack. It takes skills and practice tosee discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to thinktogether creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to beeffective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have athinking forum. Truth evidently won't 'set usfree' until we have the courage, skills, habit and moral courageto kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civildiscourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here toevenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up tothe folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discoursehas been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack ofmoderation let alone any self-control. The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying Turqb asserting..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” In thinking together, peopleoften may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extendthemselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engagingwith evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provokeunfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on tothemselv
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch and the "wisdom" of his book "Catching the Big Fish"
Lynch, whose intellect and ability to deal with deep concepts seems to be as challenged as Deepak Chopra's, says in his book Catching the Big Fish, "Ideas are like fish. If you want to catch little fish, you can stay in the shallow water. But if you want to catch the big fish, you've got to go deeper." Turns out Mr. Lynch is wrong. The fish in the photo below (NOT Photoshopped...it's a goliath tigerfish, and weighs 55 pounds) thrives in the fairly shallow waters of African rivers. Wouldn't you pay big bucks to see the expression on Lynch's face if he encountered *this* "big fish?" :-)
[FairfieldLife] Recent published scientific theory was created by an AI
Well, *that* horse is out of the barn. A recent paper published in the journal PLOS Computational Biology was completely developed by an Artificial Intelligence, and solves a mystery that humans have previously been unable to explain. Computer independently solves 120-year-old biological mystery (Wired UK) | | | | | | | | | | | Computer independently solves 120-year-old biological my...For the first time ever a computer has managed to develop a new scientific theory using only its artificial intelligence, and with no help from human beings | | | | View on www.wired.co.uk | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Genius and insanity...
A good topic, one that has been discussed elsewhere with both insight and humor:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16559_7-eccentric-geniuses-who-were-clearly-just-insane.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness
Given our history as a species and the sheer *number* of people considered by
our modern society to be great artists but whose society while they lived
considered them to be crazier than a bedbug, I cannot help but be grateful for
each little spark of madness we've managed to keep alive, while society
attempts to douse it and keep it from ever becoming the flame of true creative
genius.
Robin Williams - Spark of Madness
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From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 10:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Genius and insanity...
This is interesting. Seems fairly obvious that a mind supercharged with
hypomania will be more creative than a more typically "dull" one. That Van Gogh
was a manic depressive seems like it might be a reliable
diagnosis-at-a-distance, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also a great painter
anyway, oh no. The guy was a genius too. His radical blend of impressionism and
elements taken from Japanese painting coupled with an observant eye for nature
and knowledge of the ultimately pointless and ephemeral nature of life and his
belief in social justice made him a radical figure and not much understood in
his day.
But would he have been more successful if he'd been "normal"? There's no way to
know. But a soul on fire looks at the world in a different way and doesn't just
accept it. To feel the world's pain as well as your own isn't everyone's lot in
life - fortunately for them - but it does give the sufferer/blessed a
perspective that makes everyone else confront something they hadn't seen.
Drugs are another way of breaking the chain of social conditioning. It's hardly
any wonder there was a massive cultural revolution when the CIA stopped trying
to brainwash people with LSD and gave it to a young writer called Ken Kesey.
The rest is (or should be) history.
So yes, I'm firmly in the camp that thinks breaking down internal barriers sets
you free to create the sort of things you actually want to create rather than
the ones the birth-school-work-death-world wants you to choose from.
New study claims to find genetic link between creativity and mental illness
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
From: "jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" If this wordy, badly written, convoluted, and incoherent paragraph below is a sign of what's to come - and I think it is exactly what we can expect - then let the fun begin! Hell and Handbasket come to mind. I've been trying to be gracious, but you make a good point. When the person chosen to be the moderator of a contentious group doesn't even realize that he's no longer writing coherent English sentences, it doesn't give me a lot of faith in Rick's belief that Doug is the right choice to lead Fairfield Life to a new age of peace and civility. I don't know why we'd be surprised at Rick's choice, however. He *is*, after all, the same person who presented both Ravi Chivukula and Jim Flanegin to the world as examples of enlightenment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : DearMJ; Son, I have not problem with your content here. My moderatinginterests are in the parity of the use and impact of words within theYahoo-groups guidelines. Shocking as your content may be to someother people's sensibility these comment may possibly make fairconversation on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups [FFL] so long as there is some evident factto back them up [reference to the testimony already in the FFL archive] ..and they are not used simply as a means to slursomeone on a public forum. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? Just figured I would test how deep or shallow the newly moderated waters are, you see.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you smarter than a (Hong Kong) six year old?
It took me only a couple of seconds, so curious, I asked six-year-old Maya, and
she got it just as quickly.
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you smarter than a (Hong Kong) six year old?
No - I'm not smarter than a Hong Kong six year old.
The answer (which I discovered via Google) is that we're looking at the numbers
upside down. The car drivers would see them as 86 87 88 89 90 91.
Geddit? Kids haven't yet had their lateral-thinking ability "educated" out of
them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show In moderation at this point I feel “the past is a lesser state of evolution” and I am going forward with a clean slate on everyone and not one is on moderation in any way from this point. I would only suggest in our going forward that folks take the time to actually read the Yahoo-groups guidelines if they want to continue fluidly posting on FFL. We should appreciate your cooperative collaboration on this. -JaiGuruYou! Doug, to help people new to moderation understand the kinds of things you think are acceptable, as opposed to things you'll be looking to censor, I thought I'd pass along some examples of comments you DON'T find to be "unkind, belligerent, exploitative, degrading, insulting, slurs, profanity or ranting." These comments were all posted since you [Doug Hamilton, a name I assume I can use because it's in your posting ID, whereas I will never be able to refer to myself as Barry any more because it's *not* in my posting ID] became moderator of FFL, and you didn't say a word about them, even though you're an active member of the forum on which they were posted. Because you've been such a vocal spokesman for the need to follow the Yahoo Guidelines to the letter, and because you're so honest and moral and all, we know you would have spoken up if you felt that they DIDN'T follow the guidelines. All of these comments appeared in the last couple of days on THE_PEAK. I'm passing them along so that posters here -- unaccustomed to the uplifting, high-vibe way in which posters over on that moderated forum conduct themselves and treat other people in their speech -- can learn from them and know what our new moderator Doug Hamilton considers *acceptable* posts that follow the Yahoo Guidelines. No need to thank me. I'm just trying to do my part for moderation... "So, it appears that while Rick refuses to moderate the hyenas over at FFL he is prepared to moderate his new moderator without moderation." "You already have dingleberry whining to Rick, you have our resident sociopath [Anartaxius] trying to out talk and outwit Judy with some attempt to point score with his idol goosebarry, you've got the ever-charming jamesalan emerging out of his hidey hole to comment in his usual inane manner..." "The internet was tailor made for cowards and bullies and a perfect sampling are a few over at my old alma mater [FFL]." "Let's see if Buck's got the chops to stand up to the overgrown brats over there." "All I have really learned from FFL is that 1) those who are lonely, bereft, obnoxious and have few friends spend that much time on a forum hassling other people. 2) Those who choose to bypass accountability use the internet to spread their shit. 3) Posting to forums where there is no moderation leads to megalomania in those so predisposed." "FFL is a perfect replica of what would happen in the "real" world if all restraints and boundaries were removed from society. The only difference is that on the internet no one can actually club your stab you to death." [Written about Rick Archer, posted by the *owner* and supposed moderator of THE_PEAK, the 'moderated' site Doug wants to make FFL more like] "No one runs a site for 14 years, promising to change it when things get hot, and yet lets things grossly deteriorate, without this being completely intentional. I can believe ineptitude or inattention for a year or two, but for 14? No, I am not that gullible." "I've been watching the goings on over there over that past few days and I must confess. It's great to see my old mentor and boss, Judy, still in fine form. As we all know, a whole schwack of us were lucky enough to be her minions and cult followers and when she left we were terrified. I mean, I don't know about you, but knowing I no longer had Judy to watch my back I simply couldn't get out of FFL fast enough." "Even so, how lucky we are to have Xeno [Anartaxius] as a shining example of strength and independent thought - unencumbered by those messy characteristics like emotion or feeling? The only other guy I really miss having here is that barrel-full-of-giggles-and-chuckles Empty [Emptybill]. Now there's a happy and positive human for you."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" Barry's method, it seems to me, was similar to the way one would handle dealing with ISIS effectively. I am all for ISIS being neutralised. Exactly. organizations like ISIS -- and individual narcissistic psychopaths -- want more than anything else To Be Paid Attention To. How does a warrior defeat them? Easy. Don't. Don't give them any attention.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Sad news. Might I propose, before Doug starts banning people, that you and Rick insist on a few guidelines for *him* when he does this. I'm suggesting this because I think everyone here is aware that Doug is...uh...not quite in touch with reality these days, and tends to see things that aren't really there. So what I suggest is that if he is indeed given the power to ban someone, he cannot do so without reposting *the exact post* that Doug feels is in violation of the Yahoo Guidelines, and without explaining to the group *exactly why* he thinks this poster needs to be banned. Otherwise, you know what's going to happen. Doug will just ban the people he doesn't like, without telling *anyone*, and they'll just fall off the radar because they can't post any more, either to complain or to defend themselves. I think we all know that a tyrant has just been handed the keys to the kingdom. I think we also all know what he will do with them. I'm just suggesting a procedure that insures he can't do it in secret. From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show As is typically the case these days, I am completely out of the loop with respect to Rick's handling of FFL. Doug's posts this morning piqued my curiosity, and it turns out that Rick made Doug a moderator yesterday afternoon. I have no idea what Doug is supposed to do in terms of enforcement. As for me, my role will not change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ThanksR-V, I appreciate the perspective of your enlightened high-minded empathy in experiencefor the well-being of FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Cute. When do you get to be a full moderator for this site, Doug? Is this your first official attempt? It seems you are practicing with me, or something, given the plethora of more meaningful targets available. Regardless, I wish you all the best in your new role... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 'Don'tbe Unkind'. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite enlightenedin their guidance. Forinstance, “Ifone is constantly negative, one is heading towards trouble. Bynegative thinking, feeling and acting one creates dark patches andmuddy colors in the aura which, in turn, prevent the flow of God'screative energy from reaching him. Without the light of God, thebody starts of manifest various imbalances and one's health andlifespan is compromised. Turning to vitamins, minerals and excesssunlight does not help because the body is primarily sustained bycosmic current.” -Charles Lutes, Will and Desire, 5/3/91 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A "Peek" behind the Curtain
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 4:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A "Peek" behind the Curtain I'm saying ... "You stridently strutted outta here professing your independence and outrage. So stop being a pussy and live with it."Capisce? Jimbo might also want to learn to live with the obvious FAILURE of his new forum. During the last week only four people besides himself posted there regularly. Three more people made two posts each. THIS is the forum that Judy Stein somehow believes people on FFL are "jealous of." :-) Meanwhile, the Judester herself -- after having declared upon her return to FFL "Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again" -- has now made 31 posts, two-thirds of which involved dumping on Barry by name, and the remaining third involved dumping on other FFL posters who support him or don't mind him, and who she graciously calls "thugs." Where is Doug screaming about "Yahoo guideline violations" when *she* does it, eh? Crazy people. You can't live with 'em, and you can't live without 'em. Because they're crazy, and they won't LET you live without them. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] A "Peek" behind the Curtain
Bingo.
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 12:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A "Peek" behind the Curtain
Jim From the very beginning of this pseudo-issue, your FFLreaction appeared
to many of us to be a calculated faux outrage. Most of uswaited to see the
clarifying remarks that might certify you as the single mostoffended person
possible on FFL. Toward this end we let you run with this storylinelong enough
to clearly demonstrate your need to be "the righteous moralist". It was a
standard narrative -attempting to shame everyone for the high crime of reading
the specifieddiabolical post without the appropriate apoplectic reaction.
After a while you left FFL and took your ball to another venue.Your issue
should have remained with you there – or else simply passed on tothe neutral
ethers as you indulged your new fantasies. Now you are back - acting as if no
time or otherconsiderations have passed.
They have.
You are only here becausethis place is so lightly moderated thatno one has
insisted that you no longer belong here – specifically in accord withyour
proudly professed self-exile. Afterall this is your chose revulsion zone – a
carry-over invective of yourselected obsession. Please go back to the Peek
where you can reign supreme.Bereft of challenge and opposition of view, you can
call yourself “The Enlightened”,“Mr. Unity Consciousness To You”, “Paradigm of
Maharishi’s Awakened Satya Yuga”. We promise we won’t come over and Peek
behind the curtain. Promise.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
When did "My home theater screen is bigger and higher resolution than your home
theater screen" become the hipster version of "My dick is bigger than yours?"
:-)
Don't get all non-pirate self-righteous on me. I can download anything you name
in 1080p (or if I want, 4K), and within a day of the time you can download it
and pay for it. Then, after I have downloaded it, I can access it via WiFi any
of my available TVs/monitors. The biggest of them is 58 inches diagonally, at
4K resolution. Hope I didn't harsh your virtual hard-on. :-) :-) :-)
That said (of necessity, because you seem to have this annoying *need* to be a
dick, even though you may say some occasionally interesting things), the
insight about the stories in the different locations reflecting the cinematic
histories of those locations is pretty good. If you thought that up on your
own, deep bow. On the other hand, if you just ripped it off from someone else
and reposted it here to sound more hip, uh...
Isn't this cool? Only YOU know whether you really deserve praise or scorn.
:-) :-) :-)
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
Another point about "Sense8" is that each of the interweaved storylines
is told in the style of TV or movies for that locale. For instance the Chicago
cop story ls like a police procedural, the Mexican actor like a telenovela
replete with the humor (think "Jane the Virgin"). The Indian one like a
Bollywood comedy. The Kenyan one like a third world thriller, etc.
I also think I spotted a friend and former co-worker in the title sequence.
He is a San Francisco actor, playwrite and mime. I especially recognize his
smile.
I hope you aren't watching this on a small laptop since after all Netflix is
available in the Netherlands and they have taken lengths to be sure they have
subtitles and dubs for these releases. They list the credits for those after
the end credits run. I'm watching on a 55" TV with a surround system of
Klipsch speakers. The episodes have great audio mixes and the 1080p encoding
excellent. I finished episode 4 last night.
We disagree on some shows. For a broadcast TV series I thought "Aquarius" was
very good and too bad you didn't give "American Crime" more of a chance because
it was superb. The full season is available on Hulu. Technically "Game of
Thrones" and "Orphan Black" are cable network shows not broadcast. "Thrones"
is not my cuppa tea as I tried it when I had cable as well as "Ophan Black"
which I felt was more of an acting exercise.
I get most of my show tips from a forum that specializes in home theater
viewing. It even includes folks who work on these series and a daily thread
with article about upcoming shows, as well as ratings and cancellation info. I
read yesterday that "Mr. Robot" will be on Netflix this summer probably after
it finishes on the USA cable network. Perhaps like "Continuum" Netflix
invested money in it.
On 06/07/2015 03:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I have the luxury of having a whole weekend off with no work I have to do,
so I admit to having binge-watched this series ("Sense8") a bit. I did this
even though as Michael said the Wachowskis have only made one good move, a few
mediocre movies, and a few really, really awful movies. And I must say that my
hopefulness and willingness to give them a break have paid off -- I'm now on
episode 6 of "Sense8" and I've quite enjoyed the ride so far.
Part of it, as you suggest, is the "group mind" thing. I find that this
concept is handled pretty well in the series, especially at the beginning when
these 8 people from all over the world who suddenly find themselves mind-linked
are spending most of their time saying "WTF???!" and wondering what is going
on. I find the "travelogue" nature of the show -- literally bouncing from
Chicago to London to Nairobi to Seoul to Mexico City to Mumbai to San Francisco
to Berlin -- fascinating, and enjoy the way the various directors have
presented the visuals of these different places. That's another thing -- there
really are "various directors," and not just the Wachowskis. Tom Tykwer ("Run
Lola Run," "Perfume: Story of a Murderer") directed the most recent episode I
watched.
As for the mystery of how I find the movies and TV shows I recommend, I have
to shrug my shoulders like Johnny Depp and say, "Pirate!" Really. You have to
remember that I don't have to actually pay for *any* of these things I watch.
I *do* still buy
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After Fortune
This is amazing. You read through this and you think, "How could anyone possibly BE so gullible as to fall for this?" But then you think about people like David Lynch, who was so gullible he paid Maharishi a million dollars so that he could attend an "Enlightenment Course," and then Maharishi didn't even have the courtesy to show up in person to teach it. From: eustace10679 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 10:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After Fortune The New York Times A Manhattan Fortuneteller Cost Him Fortune After Fortune JUNE 5, 2015 [The Times Square shop from which, the police say, Priscilla Kelly Delmaro bilked a lovelorn Brooklyn man out of $713,975. Credit Dave Sanders for The New York Times] By MICHAEL WILSON Everyone knows that when a man loves a woman, he can’t keep his mind on nothing else. He’ll spend his very last dime. Give up all his comfort, sleep out in the rain. But for a 32-year-old man from Brooklyn, those things actually happened, and much, much more, during his long quest to be reunited with the woman he loved. Nothing could stop him. Not evil spirits haunting him from another realm. Not the sins of his past lives. Not going broke. Not even death. He had an ally in his quest, he said, a fortuneteller who fought the evil spirits day and night from her storefront in Times Square, according to accusations that led the police to arrest her last month. The police and the man said the fortuneteller, Priscilla Kelly Delmaro, 26, had bled him dry over 20 months. But even New Yorkers who have shaken their heads in disbelief at fortunetelling scams in the past — who could fall for that? — may be surprised by the outlandish creativity described in this case, the eye-popping payouts the man made and the almost unfathomable gullibility that it took to get to that number. Long past the point at which many people would have become suspicious — the endless need for special crystals, the time machine, the 80-mile bridge made of gold, the reincarnation portal — he kept paying, until he was living his own grim version of the movie “Ghost.” The man, who lives in East Williamsburg but is not named in court documents, told his story in a written statement prepared with Bob Nygaard, a private investigator, and presented to detectives at the Midtown South precinct last month. In summer 2013, the man was melancholy. He had a good job in marketing, with an office in New York, some support staff and a growing list of connections. But he had met a woman in Arizona named Michelle. He was in love. She was not. “The girl didn’t want to be with me, and the girl had categorically made that clear,” he wrote in the statement. On Aug. 24, 2013, he walked across the Williamsburg Bridge and wound up in front of 253 West 43rd Street. The neon sign in the window read “Psychic.” Ms. Delmaro greeted him and assured him that he and Michelle were “twin flames,” but that negativity was keeping them apart. “Spirits talk to me,” she said, according to the man’s statement, but there was a price. He paid her $2,500 and, after a second visit, $9,000 more. A month later, in September, Ms. Delmaro told him she needed diamonds to protect his energy. He paid $40,064 for a ring from Tiffany’s and gave it to Ms. Delmaro, who promised he would use it as an engagement ring someday, the man said. Michelle lived in Los Angeles. Go to her, Ms. Delmaro said. He went. He texted Michelle. I’m on a boat, she replied, but let’s meet tomorrow. “I was ecstatic,” he wrote. They met and talked and made plans for that night. But she backed out. “She felt I had been acting strange,” he wrote. Ms. Delmaro told him the trouble had come from a spirit that was stalking him. She needed $28,000, then $28,000 more. Michelle had grown cold so suddenly, he thought, that the spirit explanation sounded right, and so he paid. A month later, Ms. Delmaro suggested they perform a fake funeral ritual to make the spirit think the man was dead. Another $40,000. When that didn’t work, Ms. Delmaro said she needed a time machine to go back and cleanse his past. When the man balked, she said a suitable watch would do the job, and gave him a list of choices. He said he selected one of the cheaper ones: a rose gold Rolex for $30,000. In December, Ms. Delmaro said that they had to lure the spirit over a bridge of gold in the other realm, so that it would become trapped. She said $80,000 would buy an 80-mile bridge. Sold. Ms. Delmaro, it should be noted, promised to return most of the money when her work was done. By year’s end, the bill had reached more than $320,000. The spirit was crossing the bridge, “albeit very slowly,” the man wrote. Then Ms. Delmaro said they needed a second bridge, for Michelle’s spirit, and it needed to be 10 miles longer than the first one. “I thought to myself, ‘I have the money j
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Xeno, you've been doing such a good job of explaining yourself and bringing clarity to these murky topics that I haven't felt any need to add anything. But I did want you to know that I've been reading what you have been writing and appreciating it. I especially like the distinction you make below and that I have highlighted in red. Jim's weakness is that he is either too lazy to rigorously engage his intellect, or is such an mental lightweight that he *can't* get involved with a topic intellectually. I tend towards believing the latter. Your strength, however -- AS I SEE THINGS -- is that as you say you get involved intellectually in topics here, but *don't* get involved with them emotionally. If there is such a thing as an actual demonstration of enlightened behavior on this forum -- it's not being demonstrated by Jim, but by Xeno -- line on water. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show When you try to characterise an argument as feeble, you are not trying to respond to an argument in a reasoned way, you are just taking the lazy way out, so you do not have to do the work to think of a proper response. The only person on FFL I do not respond to is Richard, and I ignore his posts. I take time to respond to you however, but often you are very curt and dismissive. Judy was often dismissive in this way. I do not think Barry is this way, he is more of a hit and run assassin, and does not stay around to argue. I think you get annoyed if people disagree with you. I too get annoyed, but I usually try to think it through. Do you think of yourself as impatient? I often get that feeling from you. You sort of breeze through things without getting deeply involved intellectually, whereas I do not get deeply involved emotionally. Each of us is superficial in some way then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Despite your protestations to the contrary, trolls all look alike, and their objectives are always the same. Same template, different day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, you certainly do not put any effort into responding to those you disagree with. That is another sort of feeble. Do you think everyone is out to hook you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You, like Barry, try to disguise your troll-bait. Unfortunately, you aren't any good at it. If you have any more questions about how the Yahoo groups interface operates, please ask. Otherwise, Xeno, I am content to be aware of your feeble intellectual masturbation, from a distance. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't see there is much distinction between a distinction and a 'technical distinction' here. Yes Rick allows trolls, although who is and is not a troll partially depends on whether you like the content or not. Share liked Richard's content, while I think he is a troll. Would be easier to scan through things if Richard was not on the site. Because Rick does not post much, and does not actively moderate the site content, what rule is he breaking? Content by others is not moderated, the guidelines specify self-moderation because Rick choose the hands-off option. Is 'darn' allowed bit not 'damn'? Seems like there is a certain flexibility. Generally I observe people want content that they disagree with to be moderated, so which one is right in a disagreement over this? You do not break a rule because another does. I am not confused. I just do not care what you think about this particular subject. Moderating may require having some personal issues with what people say. If the guidelines were followed slavishly and literally, FFL would be as boring as The Peak usually is. If I were moderating this site, I would only eliminate one poster in the current group. Suppose I was moderating this site, and I made a rule that you had prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God existed before you were allowed to use the word or even the concept and related words on this site (you could publish a scientific paper in Science or Nature, that was accepted by scientists and replicated, that would work). You could talk about spirituality, but you could not use the word, say, 'divine' and others, otherwise you would be eliminated. What would your reaction be? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surely you aren't as naive as you make yourself out to be, Xeno? Yes, the site is not moderated, but that is only a technical distinction. The Peak is not moderated either, with regard to the group settings. You possibly don't grasp the difference between moderating a site proactively, which is what the Yahoo setting refers to, and consciously breaking the rules here, as Rick does. Rick enables trolls, and that is definitely against the guidelines here. I hope that clears things up. I understand your confusion,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
I have the luxury of having a whole weekend off with no work I have to do, so I
admit to having binge-watched this series ("Sense8") a bit. I did this even
though as Michael said the Wachowskis have only made one good move, a few
mediocre movies, and a few really, really awful movies. And I must say that my
hopefulness and willingness to give them a break have paid off -- I'm now on
episode 6 of "Sense8" and I've quite enjoyed the ride so far.
Part of it, as you suggest, is the "group mind" thing. I find that this concept
is handled pretty well in the series, especially at the beginning when these 8
people from all over the world who suddenly find themselves mind-linked are
spending most of their time saying "WTF???!" and wondering what is going on. I
find the "travelogue" nature of the show -- literally bouncing from Chicago to
London to Nairobi to Seoul to Mexico City to Mumbai to San Francisco to Berlin
-- fascinating, and enjoy the way the various directors have presented the
visuals of these different places. That's another thing -- there really are
"various directors," and not just the Wachowskis. Tom Tykwer ("Run Lola Run,"
"Perfume: Story of a Murderer") directed the most recent episode I watched.
As for the mystery of how I find the movies and TV shows I recommend, I have to
shrug my shoulders like Johnny Depp and say, "Pirate!" Really. You have to
remember that I don't have to actually pay for *any* of these things I watch. I
*do* still buy DVD sets for great films or series I enjoy if I want to see the
"extras" or the "making of" specials, and I still go out to the cinema if it's
a film that I feel really has to be seen up on the big screen (like the recent
"Mad Max: Fury Road"), but mainly I get my "leads" just from my own intuition
and a lifetime of experience as a fan of the cinema. I'll just scan down a list
of the new movies and TV shows available on my torrent feed, and when I
encounter one I don't know, I just look it up quickly on IMDB and if it sounds
interesting either because of the cast or the director of whatever, I'll just
download it and give it a shot. I live in a pirate-friendly country, and so
literally have nothing to lose but a little time if I make a bad intuitive
choice. But most of the time my guesses are pretty good.
What I *don't* do is read other people's reviews, either of TV or movies. I
*write* such reviews under a number of different names for a number of
different publications, and so to keep from being influenced by other critics'
words, I don't read them. The only time I ever really read someone's review of
a movie or TV show is *after* I have seen it.
All of this said, I'm finding "Sense8" quite enjoyable and to be a somewhat
quality production, whereas I found the recent "Aquarius" to be mediocre in the
extreme -- I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless they're feeling nostalgic
for the "look and feel" of California in 1967. The only movie that's really
knocked my socks off lately was "Ex Machina" and the only three series that are
currently being broadcast (that is, not currently on hiatus) that I really
*love* are "Game Of Thrones," "Orphan Black," and "Hannibal." If I'm feeling in
a Gothic mood, I watch "Penny Dreadful" and the new "Jonathan Strange & Mr
Norrell."
I will *sorely* miss "Justified," which ended recently, and my favorites among
the shows that recently finished for the season were "Outlander" and "Dig" and
"The Knick" and "The Blacklist" and "12 Monkeys."
The *single* best TV episodes I've seen in recent months were the "Hardhome"
episode (S05E08) of "Game Of Thrones" and the "Antipasto" episode (S03E01) of
"Hannibal." Both pretty much constitute "state of the art" when it comes to
television writing, casting, acting, production, and directing.
BTW, thanks for talking about something you enjoy, and allowing me to do the
same. This is the point that Salyavin was trying to make about the "Oh I'm
being abused by trolls" whiners. They never really *contribute* anything to
FFL. One gets the very real feeling that they don't actually have anything in
their lives that they DO enjoy, because if they do, they *never* mention it on
Fairfield. Life.
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 1:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transpiritual Experiences
Thanks for the recommendation. I've always (since I was a teen) had a soft
spot for worldviews that suggest there is in reality only One Self which
appears to "us" as many separate selves. So the basic plot device in which the
division between individuals starts to break down could be a parable hinting at
the same philosophy.
One of the advantages of visiting FFL is that you do get to hear of offbeat
movies that for sure I would never have encountered elsewhere. (As we know,
Barry is the prime source. God knows where he learns of those obscure titles he
writ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show While I consider Richard a troll, I do not consider Barry, you or Jim a troll. Barry is the very definition of a troll. "Pushing buttons" is just a euphemism for trolling. Don't pretend you weren't aware of that. Meanwhile, HAVING one's buttons so easily pushed that one can be made angry and obsessive just because of what someone writes to an obscure Internet forum is pretty much the definition of un-enlightenment and being a slave to one's emotions and attachments. What the people whining about "trolls" don't seem to realize is that THEY are characterizing themselves as "troll bait" and sorta saying, "Here I am, so weak and intellectually rigid that you can make me purple-faced angry and obsessive just by writing something negative about a belief I hold or a false guru that I worship." Given that scenario, and all of the classic definitions in spiritual literature of enlightenment vs. ignorance, t'would seem that "trolls" are far more highly evolved than those whose attachments they reveal. Yes people left over what I would consider a stupid point. It was the straw the camel stepped on and broke. They'd had more than enough crap thrown at them by Barry and others. They left because a more appealing alternative presented itself at the critical moment. It was the point at which one particularly stupid piece of troll-bait thought, "Aha! NOW I've got him. Maybe *this* is the thing I've been hoping and dreaming for all these years, and I can make a big enough stink over Barry using this analogy that I can extort Rick into throwing him off the forum." But it didn't work, and in fact backfired so badly that HE had to run away and leave the forum. Personally, I think the karma demonstrated by the whole scenario was pretty delicious. :-) Remember this group deals with transcendental meditation Oh, it does? Duh. I'd forgotten. The thing is, Xeno, she's telling the truth. This forum became a place for her to obsess about "getting Barry and anyone who dares to support him" years ago. She doesn't give a shit about TM any more -- the *only* thing that brings her scurrying roach-like out of the woodwork is another opportunity to try to turn people against Barry and "get" him. and those practising this technique are supposed to develop certain qualities such as integration, harmony, discrimination, purposefulness, precision, order, intelligence, infallibility, and other progressive characteristics, so it seems purposeful to test those qualities in people in the group to see if those qualities are really present. Bullshit. Testing folks' development of consciousness is not the purpose of FFL nor the prerogative of any of its members. Bullshit. The very reason there are so many charlatans in the world of spiritual practice is that so few people DO put their claims to the test. The very *idea* that someone as reactive and as chronically angry as Jim Flanegin could be enlightened is ludicrous. All I did was point it out, and (and this is the part that pisses him off so much) so clearly and so effectively that NO ONE actually believes his claims. About half the people here no longer practise it or practise something else. So, according to the advertisements, those not practising TM any more perhaps should show less of those qualities. This does not seem to be the case however. The main thing missing is invincibility. Those who leave lack invincibility, they have not developed a way to stand their ground. Also bullshit. There's more than one way to stand your ground, including getting out of the way of the missiles designed to smash you flat. Isn't it fascinating how the people who have declared themselves to be "troll bait" and the *victims* of these horrible "trolls" they're complaining about come up with the most violent metaphors for what's being done to them. The reality is that they clicked on a message on an electronic forum and were so weak and wimpy and attached that they got all angry and hot and bothered about a *bunch of words*. Unable to admit this, in their minds this becomes "being crushed by missiles designed to smash you flat." :-) You stood your ground, Barry stood his ground. A lot of the others folded in this environment. It is not as if the weapons here are guns and knives against which invincibility tends not to be very effective. There are really sharp disagreements as to what is and is not real in spirituality. I think it all comes down to criteria for what is considered evidence as to what is real, there are fundamental disagreements about that. No. It all comes down to people treating others with respect no matter the nature or sharpness of their disagreements. Even Barry acknowledged this at one point recently. The "disagreements" story about why FFL went bad is a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
The Ganesh puja and the hysteria of the priests who are terrified that they're
going to be put out of business is pretty funny. But the Bollywood engagement
dinner was even funnier -- gayest thing I've ever seen. :-)
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com T
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
Oh and you would probably enjoy the Indian woman in the episode performing
a Ganesh puja in a temple. :-D
Have you been subcontracting to Google?
http://news.yahoo.com/google-puts-india-pm-criminal-search-line-232447061.html
On 06/06/2015 11:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Jesus Christ! If it's as bad as Jupiter Ascending I'll never bother - I
just watched the first 20 minutes of JA last night, and turned it off as I
swore off the Bros forever. The only thing they did that was worth a crap was
the original Matrix followed by the painfully pitiful 2 sequels. Jupiter
Ascending makes David Lynch's films look good by comparison.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because
their latest flick before this ("Jupiter Ascending") has to be one of the
biggest piles of shit I have ever had to wade through.
So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis are giving mainstream
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how
mainstream America reacts to that.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
I watched the first episode of "Sense8" by the creators of "The
Matrix"
and "Babylon 5" on Netflix last night. Probably not for everyone here
but it's about 8 people from different places in the world who keep
experiencing each others lives. Daryl Hannah really gets around in this
one. There's a lot of beautiful cinematography too including scenes
shot in San Francisco. All episodes are currently available if you want
to binge watch. Bet someone is now.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
I have a feeling some of the snarky comments I'm seeing online have been
from homophobes. ;-)
That is certainly possible. For those who are not watching the series, one
character is a lesbian, played well by Jamie Clayton, who is actually a trans
woman herself. Another character plays an actor in Mexico who is known for his
macho action roles, but has to keep the fact that he's gay hidden or lose his
audience.
As for the Wachowskis and their past failures, I have to admit that I'm
actually enjoying this series so far.
On 06/06/2015 09:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because their
latest flick before this ("Jupiter Ascending") has to be one of the biggest
piles of shit I have ever had to wade through.
So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis are giving mainstream
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how
mainstream America reacts to that.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] ! Transpiritual Experiences
I watched the first episode of "Sense8" by the creators of "The Matrix"
and "Babylon 5" on Netflix last night. Probably not for everyone here
but it's about 8 people from different places in the world who keep
experiencing each others lives. Daryl Hannah really gets around in this
one. There's a lot of beautiful cinematography too including scenes
shot in San Francisco. All episodes are currently available if you want
to binge watch. Bet someone is now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
I'm on episode 2. I'm amazed that I'm giving it a chance, because their latest
flick before this ("Jupiter Ascending") has to be one of the biggest piles of
shit I have ever had to wade through.
So far, this one's kept my attention. And I'll probably keep watching, if for
no other reason to see the glimpses the Wachowskis are giving mainstream
America of alternative lifestyles, and to follow the soap opera of how
mainstream America reacts to that.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Transpiritual Experiences
I watched the first episode of "Sense8" by the creators of "The Matrix"
and "Babylon 5" on Netflix last night. Probably not for everyone here
but it's about 8 people from different places in the world who keep
experiencing each others lives. Daryl Hannah really gets around in this
one. There's a lot of beautiful cinematography too including scenes
shot in San Francisco. All episodes are currently available if you want
to binge watch. Bet someone is now.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. Thank you for the graceful reply, and (to agree with Michael) your equally graceful performance of your duties as Moderator here. I think you've been pretty much the Best Net Moderator I've Ever Encountered. Just to present a contrary view to one that is commonly allowed to proliferate here -- again, thanks to your lax moderation -- if "Buck" *were* to suddenly be named Moderator of Fairfield Life, I feel safe in predicting that its membership would fall to 1 within a week. Then he'd finally be free to...uh...self-moderate. Why does that sound kinda dirty and perverted?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. If you look into it, Sal, the real story is that Jim and other haters over on The_Leak are engaging in a form of "state sponsored terrorism." Not only do their members constantly come over to our group to *intentionally* disrupt ongoing discussions and do whatever they can think of to harm the well-being of people (us) who just want to be left alone to discuss the kinds of things this forum was created *to* discuss, they are *encouraged* by Jim and others back on The_Leak every time they do so. A quick perusal of the posts over on The_Leak will reveal how many times people like Jim, Richard, Steve, and others have been given a big "attaboy" and PRAISED for going over to FFL to disrupt things. Sure sounds a lot like the Internet counterpart of state-sponsored terrorism to me. NO ONE from FFL does the same thing over on The_Leak. The only former FFLer I know who contributes to that forum but who still primarily hangs on FFL is Anartaxius, and when he contributes over on The_Leak he actually *contributes*. Compare and contrast to Richard, Jim, Steve, and now Judy. She may not post over on The_Leak, but she's clearly on their payroll.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Doug, here is a question for you. What would you suggest is the "proper" way to
deal with someone on a Yahoo group who not only baselessly calls a fellow
member of that group a child molestor, but who then goes further, and urges
other members of the group to call or write to authorities in this person's
home town to report him as a child molestor?
I'll be interested to hear your suggestion for what an appropriate response to
this might be, because the Dutch police and Interpol agents I worked with
thought that the most appropriate response to posts such as this should be
prison.
These Dutch officials are back on the case, BTW, given that the offender in
question doesn't seem to have learned his lesson...
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Itis true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur inviolation of
the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have beenmoderated simply then by the
group owner.
Moderationis simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a
postthemselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's
membershipposting privilege.
Either-or. Ask the person for someself-restraint and if they don't come right
through then clip theirmembership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are
quitereasonable. -JaiGuruYou!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it
doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you
personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think
you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing
Barry of anything...
Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of
anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of
automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical
weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted
by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest
thing for him to do.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Horoscopes
Another entry in the category of "Horoscopes with an actual basis in fact"
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: "reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Horoscopes
Here's a horoscope obviously written by Internet trolls trying to start
trouble. :-)
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Down the pan....
From: salyavin808
I wonder how many people will read this and head for the nearest drain to try
and score for the weekend?
It certainly puts a new spin on the old pick up line "Hey baby...want to go out
back and snort some shit?" :-)
There is more cocaine in London's sewer system than any other European city
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than... A new study appears to show how widespread cocaine use is in London,
as scientists say sewage from the capital has the highest concentration of the
dru...||
| View on www.independent.co.uk |Preview by Yahoo|
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Ol' Deepak
THIS is why Chopra and other nutcases like him (including several on this forum) still exist. The audiences they preach to don't have the intelligence to figure out they're being preached to (and taken advantage of) by idiots. (cf. recent bogus "research" about light) Facebook conspiracy theorists fooled by even the most obvious anti-science trolling: study | | | | | | | | | | | Facebook conspiracy theorists fooled by even the most ob...Man learns amazing lesson in irony after mocking Caitlyn Jenner’s ‘bravery’ in viral Facebook post | | | | View on www.rawstory.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 7:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Ol' Deepak ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What Deepak is promoting is a philosophy - a theology, maybe - or perhaps "a metaphysics" is a better term. I don't have any problem with that. His views could be wrong of course but to demand that all explanations of life, the universe and everything must conform to scientific methodology is simply scientism. In fact, the very idea that all explanations must conform to scientific methodology *is* a metaphysical assumption! How could you prove that assumption using the techniques of science? How falsify it? Yes, if you're talking about evolution or quantum physics you have to accommodate the latest thinking of scientists who have specialised in those fields but it's legitimate to tease out the implications for our worldview. By the way: I've only ever read one of Deepak's books and it was pretty tedious and shallow. But that's a different issue altogether. Why would he release only one shallow and tedious book do you think? "His views could be wrong of course but to demand that all explanations of life, the universe and everything must conform to scientific methodology is simply scientism." Isn't "scientism" that thing that creationists invented to try and turn the demanding of proof into an optional extra? Like you, I don't think there's anything wrong with speculative thinking, we simply wouldn't have an ideas at all without it. Where Deepak goes wrong is that he can't be bothered to check whether his ideas have any sort of validity. And by that I mean whether they fit in with what is known to be possible in the physical world and if they don't, how come? Any rewriting of majorly well tested ideas requires an understanding of those ideas and a demonstration of where they are inadequate. I don't think it's just a case of accepting things because they might be possible anymore. I know it's the "vedic" way, as is misappropriating other people's research to repackage religious ideas in the hope that your audience is familiar enough with the terms to recognise them but not familiar enough to know they are being used incorrectly. Anything he says with the word "quantum" in it for instance. He just doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.You simply can't have a worldview whereby something that is known to happen, or to have happened is contradicted by your metaphysical outlook. Not and remain credible. It has to all fit together doesn't it? Otherwise our theory of everything will be a theory of nearly everything and some other stuff that doesn't fit. So Deepak is either hopelessly ignorant or wilfully misleading - unless he knows something fundamental to the running of the universe that no one else has worked out and he acquired the knowledge somehow instinctively rather than via the usual methods of trial and error testing and refining. Given our shared opinion of him, I wonder which is most likely? 'This is what drives people nuts about the new quasi-religious quantum nutjobbery of the internet. Without an editor it's a dangerous place to try going to learn things. Every idea should stand or fall based on it's evidence but too many people are forgetting to do the background checks. It's actually interesting watching the speed with which memes evolve on the net. I used to work for a company that could track press releases via webpages, be interesting to watch how far and fast an idea like some of Deepak's or say, the Maharishi Effect, could travel in a given time and what is needed as a framework for people to recognise it as a possibility and pass it on. Maybe the next step in advertising is seeding the social media background with stupid ideas and then tailoring a campaign to exploit them. Or is Facebook already doing that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Scientist: Why Deepak Chopra is driving me crazy | | | | | | | | | | | Scientist: Why Deepak Chopra is driving me crazy'Chopra promises proof for his outlandish claims that Darwin was wrong and that consciousness drives evolution, but I’m not going to hold my breath.' | | | | View on www.washingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] French Ghost Signs
Here's a great resource stumbled upon by my still-favorite Paris blogger, Messy Nessy Chic. It's a stash of really cool photos "documenting forgotten ghost signs, shop fronts, vintage typography and general nostalgia of bygone French patrimony." http://www.messynessychic.com/2015/06/04/heres-an-instagram-account-dedicated-to-finding-forgotten-french-ghost-signs/ I particularly like this one, which captures that curious ability that Paris has of completely changing its nature in mid-block, or at a street corner. For example, the corner of rue du 4 Septembre et rue Vivienne:
[FairfieldLife] More Rubik's Cube wonder
Remember the post a little while back that posted a video featuring a guy who solved three Rubik's Cubes at the same time...while juggling them? That led to a fascinating (at least to me) discussion with Salyavin during which we expressed our mutual awe of people who can solve three-dimensional puzzles in their heads or visualize enormous corporate databases or hold clear images of complex Tibetan mandalas in their heads. Following up, watch this guy: Sybla TV | Facebook | | | | | | | | | Sybla TV | Facebooksybla.com | | | | View on www.facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] GQ and the TM family tree.
"PR led" is very accurate. What I found fascinating is that the writer really
doesn't *know* that he's already parroting the things he was told, without
putting them in quotes as if they had been told to him by a TM teacher, yet
often using the exact same phrases they used. I particularly like this segment.
Notice the use of quotes at the beginning, to indicate the things say by Bob
Roth, and then notice where the quotes end and yet he's still parroting Bob
Roth by repeating exactly what he said:
"The thing I asked my teacher was, how much of this shit do I have to believe
in for it to work? He said you can be 100 percent skeptical and it'll still
work." Roth is generous with his smiles, and he shot me a big one. "The cool
thing about this is you don't have to believe in anything. There's no
philosophy."
Other forms of meditation require a far greater commitment and can be more
difficult to adopt. They teach either extreme concentration (an intense focus
on one particular thing, and only that thing) or contemplation (thinking as
hard as you can about the present, which is often referred to as mindfulness),
but what makes TM so user-friendly is that you don't have to do either. It's
easy—"effortless," as Roth is fond of saying.
You simply allocate twenty minutes of quiet time and use a mantra to liberate
your mind from conscious thought and trigger the meditation. Mantras work, in
theory, because they are essentially meaningless word sounds. One is chosen for
you by your teacher from a library of dozens that go back to TM's ancient Vedic
origins. Once a mantra is given, it is never shared under any circumstances.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:25 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] GQ and the TM family tree.
Standard PR led article with quite an amusing family tree on the right. What a
motley bunch of devotees!
The comments are interesting too. It seems the various concepts and techniques
of meditation have merged into one in the public consciousness.
The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: salyavin808 I think they just all secretly love our wit and wisdom and can't face the day without finding out the latest from the world of dinosaur research. Who can blame them? Indeed. One of my fave dinosaur news items pointed out that scientists have essentially discovered *dragons*. Really. Sorta. They seem to have discovered flying reptiles that look a lot like yer classical depiction of a dragon. Trouble is the skeletons they've found so far are hardly Game Of Thrones size, more like a small dog or a normal-sized NYC rat. But we can always hope they'll find bigger ones...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club "Hate Barry sessions" again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they can drop their "Get Barry" bombs. After all, that's really why they "left." Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into following him there entertained. Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this "negative" forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people. As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. I hate going on about it in case anyone thinks I'm reciprocating what I claim to dislike or even provoking it, but it is funny to see Judy coming over all self-righteous. Anyone would think she was some sort of ultra-pure force for good on here when the reality of it is that she was as aggressive and intense as they come. Why, even WillyTex came out of character long enough to call her a mean spirited old bag for her endless haranguing of Share. And it was hardly just Share, Judy loves arguing and when she took a dislike to someone she was happy to drive them off. If the peaksters want her as their queen bee I'm happy for them but it does underline what I'm going on about as far as self awareness goes. I'm starting to think people assume I mean just being aware of their feelings or something but being properly self aware is being objective about what we are really like. We dislike in others what we fear in ourselves. I have cosmic love for everyone, I just wish they'd post what they think about things rather than just whining about everybody else. Great minds discuss ideas etc... To hopefully continue discussing actual ideas, Sal, you touch on something I've often noticed -- the almost total lack of self-awareness in this most vocal group of FFL (and former-FFL) whiners. Take one of their most common whines (to paraphrase): "They (meaning us, the people they project their self-hatred onto) are always LYING about us, saying things they 'know' aren't true and that they 'really' don't mean." How many times have we heard this, eh? Well, the reality (at least for me) is that this reaction is bogus, because *I really DO mean it*. When I have said, for example, that IMO Judy Stein is insane, I'm not "lying" when I say that, or saying something I don't mean -- I really, honestly think she's insane. What ELSE could I consider someone who has stalked me for over two decades, spending literally tens of thousands of posts trying her best to "get" not only me, but also to "get" anyone who dares to like me or the things I post. When I say that I believe she is insane, it is my *long-considered honest opinion*, not "lying." She and others like her would like to *believe* that it's "lying," because then they don't have to deal with a larger and far more painful truth: "THIS IS HOW PEOPLE REALLY SEE ME." THAT is what they can't cope with. They have such profound and entrenched delusions about who and what they are that they really can't *deal* with anyone disagreeing with these delusions. Try to imagine what a *breakthrough* it would be if Judy were ever able to step back and say, "Y'know...many people -- quite literally *dozens* of people -- have been telling me I'm an an
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
I know they're trying to start up their old Mean Girls Club "Hate Barry sessions" again, but I'm trying to ignore them so that they don't drag FFL back into the gutter of their own state of consciousness again. I'm not surprised to see Jim and his minions continuing to plague FFL so they can drop their "Get Barry" bombs. After all, that's really why they "left." Jimbo made a big stink about nothing because he was attempting to badger Rick into throwing me off of the forum. When Rick called his bluff and ignored him, Jimbo was stuck over their on Boring Forum, having to make up new lies about his supposed enlightenment every day to keep the people he'd suckered into following him there entertained. Personally I think his most recent attempts to pander to his fellow The_Leak people *by writing to them on FFL* are (dare I say it) the peak of silliness and idiocy. He talked these poor people into running away from this "negative" forum and now he writes *to* them here, having created a situation in which they're so bored with him and the BS he slings over there on The_Leak that they have to come back here and read FFL every day just to get by. What makes it even more embarrassing for him (and more hilarious for us to watch) is that he has to do all of this while pretending to be three different people. As for the Judester, it is kinda surprising that she's still so *obviously* stuck in Hate Barry Mode. I don't think she's made a *single* post in either of her drive-bys that *didn't* attempt to demonize Barry and his (her new favorite word) thugs. One would think that if a person is trying to claim they "left" FFL for positive reasons, they shouldn't undercut that claim by coming back every so often to prove that she's still *just as negative as ever* and towards *the same people as ever* -- Barry and anyone who dares to like him. But, as Salyavin suggests, I guess we have to be somewhat compassionate towards these dweebs because WE -- the ones they obsess on and have *been* obsessing on for years -- are clearly the most interesting people in their lives. They may claim to hate us, but they *clearly* can't live without us. From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why are all these blustering blowhards scurrying back to FFL from the Peep? Must be really boring over there with everyone congratulating themselves about how intelligent they really are - oh, and enlightened too. Seemed that they all left FFL in a big huff. So how come they're now still going on and on with the same old fluff? So, ca... ca... can we jus... just get along? You know ... being in Unity and all that. No, the trouble is they aren't allowed to be negative over there so they have to come here and indulge their inner bitch. I'd rather they came here and posted something they thought was worth reading rather than all this whining but until Rick sets them free we'll be stuck with it because it doesn't seem like any of them are developing any self awareness. We should just be flattered they think us so interesting that they want to read us every day!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Astrology Science?
My memory of my long flashes of unity were of a feeling of togetherness and being perfectly relaxed at work with everyone attracted to talking to me because of how I was overflowing with all things good and fine. What happened when the experiences faded? Did you begin to look at your coworkers through squinted eyes and mutter at them as they drew away from you, wondering where the good vibe went? I haven't been following this conversation carefully enough to really comment, but the two snippets from it above make me think it would make a great low-budget horror movie. Something like "When Enlightenment Fades," starring Nicolas Cage as both the enlightened coworker and the psychopath he turns into when his #1 experiences turn into a pile of #2. :-)
