RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Dubose - Based on comments made by a walk-on kicker I know, season ending injured players are pretty much ignored. Evidently, the staff does not have time to work with players who will not help them this season. So once Dubose went on injured reserve, he didn't get much attention from the coaching staff. I could be wrong on this, but after the season ends or maybe when spring training ends, isn't there a period where the coaching staff cannot have contact with the players until fall? Also, Dubose and the players themselves have to be accountable at some point, which may explain the Burton-Dubose dichotomy. You really don't like Thompson do you. I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. Thompson is the leading receiver on the team, despite his drops. I will take his experience over Hammonds every day. new things - quarterback, center, wr Game experience cannot be underestimated, I do not believe it can be taught, only learned. Lack of game experience, to me , was the biggest reason we wasted those first three games. Maybe working out the kinks in the first three games was why the offense looked so much better in the UK game. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:18 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity With Tebow being replaced by Brantley as starting QB and, with Azzanni replacing Gonzalez as WR coach, that a lot of things, such as route trees, etc. may have changed? He has nine months to study the changes to the offense since Tebow and Gonzalez left. I doubt the routes have changed completely. Don't you think anyone that wants to learn the plays and routes - anyone whose job it is to learn the plays and routes - would pick it up in nine months? How did Thompson, Moore, Hines, and all the other WRs do it? How did Burton do it? And don't you think that he'd need to prove that he's ready in practice before he's given a chance to possibly hurt the team by messing up badly in a game? I definitely think that. I'm not saying put him in the game before he is ready. My question is - why isn't he ready? Why are so many of these guys on offense - not ready? I don't think that Debose is the answer to our problems. Maybe one day he will be. From what little bit I have read - I think he has mental problems getting back into the game after being injured. I also think he has reservations about getting hit. From what I have seen - I would have Hines start at slot, Hammond and Moore start out wide. Moore has very few yards after the catch - but grabs most everything thrown near him. I love watching Hines run with the ball. I think Hammond is a playmaker and our third best receiver. The problem is - we wasted three games - getting these guys ready to play this fall. We could have better used those games for trying new things, working out kinks, etc. Seems like our offense was not ready to play till the Kentucky game. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:37 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Keith - let's suppose that he (Debose) did sit around and learn the playbook while he was injured. Don't you think that; With Tebow being replaced by Brantley as starting QB and, with Azzanni replacing Gonzalez as WR coach, that a lot of things, such as route trees, etc. may have changed? Do you think book and film study can negate the need for real life application of what one has learned? And don't you think that he'd need to prove that he's ready in practice before he's given a chance to possibly hurt the team by messing up badly in a game? Debose was the target for several passes on our first couple of drives. Did you notice that they were very simple patterns where the ball was delivered very quickly to him? I believe that was a reward for him having, according to Meyer, his best week of practice ever. I don't think they could continue throwing the ball to him in the same way all night long because the element of surprise was gone, and UK was probably defending him in a way that would neccessitate him reading the defenses and making the proper route tree adjustments - something he's said to not have a firm grasp on yet, therefore he seemed to disappear again. --- Keith Baldwin wrote: With all that sitting around - Debose can't study the playbook, watch a ton of film, practices - and learn the plays? Seems to me like - that is what you do if you are injured? If you're injured - don't you spend more time studying -
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
You want technical or you want someone to share your opinion. my problem is that if I give you an explanation, you call it an excuse and refuse to consider it. You accept a 4 or 5 star recruiting ranking over our coaches opinion on who should be playing based on 3 or 4 games and declare we have a serious coaching problem, but have not held the players accountable. I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying I not convinced. I am not sure Newton is a good example as compared to freshman, as compared to Brantley, okay I can go there, and my response would be Newton is a better player based on 4 games played. He may not be the better player by the time the season ends. So maybe the coaches are responsible in this case. Meaning they could have found a way to keep him on the squad if they really felt he would evolve into the better player. Ingrahm and Richardson compared to who Demps, Moody, Gilislee. Don't think you can compare because of the style of offense. Richardson had every opportunity to sign with UF but choose not to, why, I have no idea Which studs are you referring to Dubose, Dunkley, Gilislee. I'm sorry, I am not ready to hand over a starting position to a high school prima donna who happened to win a rating service beauty pageant. But in fairness maybe I am not understanding your position. Rather than compare players at other schools you tell me which Florida player where the coaching staff has missed on and I will try my best to explain why I think the coaches are correct. We can skip Thompson and Demps, we have done them. And Pouncey as well, since I think he should be at guard anyway. Now, I will tell you up front that I consider game experience to be a decided advantage. Which player do you feel should be ready to play, that the coaches have missed on I think we spent 4 games trying to figure out what the best way to win game 5 is. I think Foley cares, as long as the win/lose ration is sustained. Until it shows up in the win-loss column, Foley isn't going to say squat about player development. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:48 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity You know me - I just like to stir the pot occasionally. Isn't this a gator discussion group? Or is this a - let's all not think - let's only say the Gators are great - group ;-) I wish we had more gator technical discussions - not less. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Careful Keith... talk like this will get you labelled an entitlement fan... It will also raise questions about whether you are really happy we are 4-0. How dare we question anything about this team? They are, after all, perfect. _ From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 10:23:49 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we
RE: [gatortalk] bama
The players ARE using revenge as motivation. I heard a couple of them referring to it in the UK post-game radio interviews. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] bama Plus, like last year for them - we've had all year to stew over last year's game. I hope we are as pi... umm angry determined as they were last year. We need to remember and take care of business. Go Gators! Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2010, at 5:16 PM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: That's exactly what I'm talking about. It is a must win for Bammy. They have their #1 ranking to worry over. We don't have any kind of pressure like that. And, our athletes are every bit as good as theirs. We are in a position to win this thing and make Alabama rely on the secchampionship game to save their season. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:02:58 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] bama I hope we win, of course. However, this is not a must-win game. We remain in control of the SEC east, which means that regardless of what happens Saturday, we could end up meeting Alabama again in the SEC championship game. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com wrote: No, we won't completely shut them down, but I bet we slow them down enough to stay in the game with them. Something else we should consider, they are very tight! They really are sweating this game Saturday just like they were sweating Arkansas. Just who has Ark beaten? Georgia? Forget it! Now, just who has Bammy beaten? Penn State? Temple almost beat them Saturday! I believe we'll be in the game and. if the ball doesn't bounce completely away from us we'll win! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama I agree - right down the line. Arky definitely has a better downfield passing offense. I think that if we can hit a lot of our short possession type passes, that will have the same effect as a powerful running game - keep the chains moving and their offense off of the field. I don't think that we (or anyone else) can completely shut down the Bama ground game, but we may have the horses to keep them from being able to beat us with that alone. If we don't give them short fields or easy scores from turnovers, and if the Bama loving SEC officials let both teams play equally I think it could be a reaaly close, nerve-wracking contest. --- Keith Baldwin wrote: How does our defense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our run offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our pass offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - not as good How much does away versus home mean to Alabama? My opinion - gives them a 7 point advantage -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
[gatortalk] Fw: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says
Alabama's a 9 point favorite! Let's just let that soak in for a moment... Think I'll take the Gators in this one. Shane! Lend me a $50! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Shane Ford goufgat...@bellsouth.net Sender: gatorn...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:20:52 To: GatorNewsgatorn...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatornews+own...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:29:51 EDT, Big games sometimes prompt questions that are, well, different. At Florida coach Urban Meyer's weekly news Monday, the last question from the media was: Is there a danger of over preparing? Meyer had a little fun with that one. Over prepare? I'm not worried about telling our staff, 'Let's make sure we're not over prepared.' Get out of here, man, Meyer laughed. I guarantee you we're not going to be over prepared, and I can promise you will not be under prepared. Be prepared. That's the Gators' goal heading into Saturday night's SEC showdown in Tuscaloosa with No. 1 Alabama. It's No. 1 vs. No. 7 in a rematch of last year's SEC Championship Game, which Alabama won 32-13. The winner of Saturday night's game could be in a strong position to return to Atlanta, and possibly have a chance to earn a spot in the BSC Championship Game. This is a game with a lot of national attention, Meyer said. We have a lot of respect for their personnel. The last several years these two teams find ways to win games. This will be one of the great environments in the SEC. We better be locked and loaded and everybody has to be on point. That means everybody has to be all in. Everyone has to be at competitive excellence to have a chance to win this game. The young Gators carry some momentum into the game after putting together a feel-good victory over Kentucky last Saturday that saw the offense finally come to life in the 48-14 win. The positive thing is we now have learned how to practice, Meyer said. The negative is we're still extremely young in some areas. But the improvement, you can witness it now. We're all witnesses now to seeing (wide receiver) Andre Debose develop and seeing some of these young players come on a little bit. That's encouraging as a coach. Alabama is listed as a nine-point favorite. It's the first time the Gators have been in the underdog role since the 2008 national championship game against No. 1 Oklahoma. Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
It's about time - let the healing begin... --- Keith Baldwin wrote: I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] bama
Yep, even at the end of the game Arkansas could have won it. They beat themselves with dumb mistakes, like Mallett's ill-fated attempt to throw out of bounds. We make fewer mistakes than them (Ark) and we win. Instead of dreaming of how to shut Brantley down, Ala's spending valuable practice time on Trey Burton. That will also help loosen their D. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:16:20 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama Keith, Just want you to know I like you plan, don't think it will happen, but I like your thinking. I think we load the box with five dl and make McElroy beat us. I agree with Steve, that you can't stop Bama's run game, but maybe you can contain it. If we can get a lead similar to what Arky did, I think our D is good enough to keep Bama from making a comeback. Granted loading the box didn't work in last year's SECCG, but I still think that is the way to beat Bama. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama If Alabama will tell us what plays they are going to run the ball - we can put in our 5 man defensive front. If they tell us what plays they are going to pass the ball - we can put in our 5 defensive backs. That's my game plan. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:42 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama 1. LOL! Remember Arian Foster (UT)? Or even Knowshon Moreno (UGA)? Supposedly stellar running backs that we weren't supposed to be able to contain or shut down... but we DID. I can guarantee you that Mr. Ingram will get more respect AND attention this week and he won't be as effective on Saturday as he was last time we met. I think if the same offense shows up two Saturday's in a row, we win by 20. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama I agree - right down the line. Arky definitely has a better downfield passing offense. I think that if we can hit a lot of our short possession type passes, that will have the same effect as a powerful running game - keep the chains moving and their offense off of the field. I don't think that we (or anyone else) can completely shut down the Bama ground game, but we may have the horses to keep them from being able to beat us with that alone. If we don't give them short fields or easy scores from turnovers, and if the Bama loving SEC officials let both teams play equally I think it could be a reaaly close, nerve-wracking contest. --- Keith Baldwin wrote: How does our defense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our run offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our pass offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - not as good How much does away versus home mean to Alabama? My opinion - gives them a 7 point advantage -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
I would have thought you were reading Finding Bat Houses for Dummies. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Randy Lyons gatorspo...@epbfi.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 8:25:53 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
I have the Neosporin. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:28 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity It's about time - let the healing begin... --- Keith Baldwin wrote: I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offensefinds its identity
I didn't know they made liquid Neosporin! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:16:10 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I have the Neosporin. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:28 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity It's about time - let the healing begin... --- Keith Baldwin wrote: I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Fw: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says
Sure, Oliver! I just hope you don't hold your breath very long. :-) Go Gators! Beat Bama! Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:48 AM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: Alabama's a 9 point favorite! Let's just let that soak in for a moment... Think I'll take the Gators in this one. Shane! Lend me a $50! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Shane Ford goufgat...@bellsouth.net Sender: gatorn...@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:20:52 -0700 To: GatorNewsgatorn...@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatornews+own...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says Gators will be prepared for Bama, Meyer says Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:29:51 EDT, Big games sometimes prompt questions that are, well, different. At Florida coach Urban Meyer's weekly news Monday, the last question from the media was: Is there a danger of over preparing? Meyer had a little fun with that one. Over prepare? I'm not worried about telling our staff, 'Let's make sure we're not over prepared.' Get out of here, man, Meyer laughed. I guarantee you we're not going to be over prepared, and I can promise you will not be under prepared. Be prepared. That's the Gators' goal heading into Saturday night's SEC showdown in Tuscaloosa with No. 1 Alabama. It's No. 1 vs. No. 7 in a rematch of last year's SEC Championship Game, which Alabama won 32-13. The winner of Saturday night's game could be in a strong position to return to Atlanta, and possibly have a chance to earn a spot in the BSC Championship Game. This is a game with a lot of national attention, Meyer said. We have a lot of respect for their personnel. The last several years these two teams find ways to win games. This will be one of the great environments in the SEC. We better be locked and loaded and everybody has to be on point. That means everybody has to be all in. Everyone has to be at competitive excellence to have a chance to win this game. The young Gators carry some momentum into the game after putting together a feel-good victory over Kentucky last Saturday that saw the offense finally come to life in the 48-14 win. The positive thing is we now have learned how to practice, Meyer said. The negative is we're still extremely young in some areas. But the improvement, you can witness it now. We're all witnesses now to seeing (wide receiver) Andre Debose develop and seeing some of these young players come on a little bit. That's encouraging as a coach. Alabama is listed as a nine-point favorite. It's the first time the Gators have been in the underdog role since the 2008 national championship game against No. 1 Oklahoma. Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. rick - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we should go back to a JV team? That is what schools use to do to develop players so that once they hit the big time - they were ready. This is what I hope Foley is asking Urban Meyer. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Scott, I think this might be why we haven't seen a lot of the long down field passes you've been wanting. It's the receivers who weren't ready to go. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 Gator offense finds its identity By LARRY VETTEL FightinGators.com Florida head coach Urban Meyer says the offensive balance was critical to the Gator win and it's something fans will see more of going forward. I want to say we were fifty-fifty run, pass on all those big drives we had. (We had) a lot of first down mixing (the run with) the drop back and the play action pass and we're going to move in that direction. We have to. Now that we have confidence in our receivers that's the direction we're gonna go. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.usimage001.jpg
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Oh, you and I agree on a LOT of things, but those are THFGT issues. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:18 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National
[gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
Okay, I don't profess to be a football expert, but I do think I know little about the game. Everything below is my opinion only and no matter how I state anything, nothing is fact, my opinion only! The Gators are not as bad as they have looked at times and I don't think we have seen them as good as they can be either. There have been several glaring errors - poor snaps, penalties, blown coverages. And some supposed errors - wrong people on the field, bad play calls, coaches not seeing the fake FG and calling TO. The problem with evaluating this team for me, is that I only get to watch on TV, so I don't get to see the whole field and make my own determination if the play calling is effective and/or if the QB read was correct on the play. Having said that, here is what I have seen: - Watching on TV which typically shows 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on the main shot, you will usually only see 7 or 8 defensive players. That means that the safeties at least are playing very deep and keeping everything in front of them, the classic Tampa2 defense. Contrary to what the spread offense implies, Urban is a very conservative coach, if the D is keeping you from the deep ball, the reads go to the short crossing routes where our speedy WRs go against LBs. This is not flashy and doesn't result in 2 minute scoring drives, but it is taking what the defense is giving us. The thing I can't see on TV is are our WRs getting any separation when they are running off the coverage? The alternative is to go the Arkansas route, where the offense is designed to go deep and will try that no matter what, the result is interceptions when it doesn't work. - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. The biggest issue with this team however is the intangibles. Identity and team chemistry, this team is lacking. As far as team chemistry I can only guess at the dynamics, but given some of the quoted chatter and rumors that were swirling, I think there were/are some, dare I say it... entitlement players on the team. Guys that thought just because I am here, I should play. this goes for both the upperclassmen and freshman. We have had 5 years of top notch recruiting classes and there are a lot of guys who have paid their dues and expect to play and there are a lot of newbies that are great and expect to play. When you have a guy like Pouncey talking smack before the season and then going out and having the worst performance by a Center I have ever seen, it doesn't help matters. The identity issue is related to the above, but has different issues on offense and defense. On offense, we started out trying to run the same spread we ran for the past 3 years, that won't work because we don't have #15. So the coaches have been trying to figure out what we are good at and create this hybrid spread-pro set offense. If you are a young player on the team and you are used to this fast paced high scoring machine, it has to affect your psyche. It appears we are finally getting into some type of rythym, but is still seems choppy. Q1 against UK was great, Q2 back to the basics, Q3 much better. We need to find the consistent play and play calling. On defense the problem is too many good players, a nice problem to have. We have so many guys with roughly the same level of experience, we keep rotating them in and out, but all it takes is for one of them to be playing on the wrong play that he doesn't know how to cover or against a mismatch WR. Cody Riggs, is an awesome special teams player, but got abused in the KY game. Last, the Bama game worries me, but all big games make me feel this way. I have watched Bama play 3 times this year, and while they may have won more impressively, they aren't as great as everyone is making them out to be. They make mistakes and had to come back from a double digit deficit against Arky and had to rely on several incredible Arky mistakes to win. I think we can score on Bama, the question is can we stop them from scoring. Ingram and Richardson are big, fast bruising backs, they can't be arm tackled and that is a weakness of our team in my opinion. We seem to have a hard time wrapping up players and taking them down, they always seem to get that extra 2 or 3 yards after contact. Add in the mix Julio at WR and we have another big guy to take down. I think this will be relatively high scoring for what are
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
I am going to try my best to not hurt anyone's feelings here... I think I am the someone who rarely posts who fired off the entitlement email. It is true that I rarely post, but I have been part of this group going back to the Prodigy days on my Commodore 64. There have been times when I have not posted for years at a time, but usually because gatorzone.com would block emails I sent from whatever email system I was on at the time. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately depending on your perspective, I am currently able to send emails to the list and will start posting occasionally again. My original email that seems to have kicked off a sordid affair that mushroomed was actually about my opinion that there is an attitude difference between us older generation gator fans and gator fans who have come along more recently. What I was trying to say, and must have said poorly, was that there is a process to developing a football team and that it doesn't happen in an instant, but that in the opinion of this old football fan, watching the process of development is an enjoyment in itself. It is very rare that any team is going to play at peak effeciency for every single game of an entire season. In fact, I can't even think of an example where it has happened. And it is my opinion that fans who don't appreciate the process of development are missing something really fun, interesting, and even beautiful. It seems like, in my opinion, that those fans not only miss something really, really enjoyble, but also make themselves miserable at the same time. The thing that really sets me off, and does tend to bring me out of very long term lurk mode, is when some of these fans who are making themselves miserable at unmet expectations start visciously attacking the best coaching staff I have seen yet at developing a team over an entire season. I actually think that last year was possible their worst job of coaching, but I am willing to forgive them because in my opinion there were some unprecedented circumstances, including tebow mania, that made the entire season very strange. Besides, 13-1 is a keeper. As for this year, I do have concerns even after the KY game. In fact, I now have a new concern that we may become too predictable in the red zone now that Trey has been discovered. However, where I think I differ from some who are not as old and worn out as I am, is that I do wear pollianna brand orange and blue glasses so I trust this great coaching staff to give us the best season achievable with this collection of experience and talent that we have on this team. I will celebrate every win no matter the score and I will enjoy every minute of watching these guys develop and grow. Even if there is no championship earned this year, and I am a long way from giving up on that hope, I will still enjoy this season and look forward to a large group of these guys coming back next year to try again. And every once in a while, I will fire off a post that will hurt the feelings of someone who posts a lot more often than I do if I think they are unfairly criticizing a staff who has earned every bit of our trust and respect. Rick aka as alag8r since the mid-80's or originalalag8r on gator country. - Original Message - From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest!
[gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
Okay, I don't profess to be a football expert, but I do think I know little about the game. Everything below is my opinion only and no matter how I state anything, nothing is fact, my opinion only! The Gators are not as bad as they have looked at times and I don't think we have seen them as good as they can be either. There have been several glaring errors - poor snaps, penalties, blown coverages. And some supposed errors - wrong people on the field, bad play calls, coaches not seeing the fake FG and calling TO. The problem with evaluating this team for me, is that I only get to watch on TV, so I don't get to see the whole field and make my own determination if the play calling is effective and/or if the QB read was correct on the play. Having said that, here is what I have seen: - Watching on TV which typically shows 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on the main shot, you will usually only see 7 or 8 defensive players. That means that the safeties at least are playing very deep and keeping everything in front of them, the classic Tampa2 defense. Contrary to what the spread offense implies, Urban is a very conservative coach, if the D is keeping you from the deep ball, the reads go to the short crossing routes where our speedy WRs go against LBs. This is not flashy and doesn't result in 2 minute scoring drives, but it is taking what the defense is giving us. The thing I can't see on TV is are our WRs getting any separation when they are running off the coverage? The alternative is to go the Arkansas route, where the offense is designed to go deep and will try that no matter what, the result is interceptions when it doesn't work. - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. The biggest issue with this team however is the intangibles. Identity and team chemistry, this team is lacking. As far as team chemistry I can only guess at the dynamics, but given some of the quoted chatter and rumors that were swirling, I think there were/are some, dare I say it... entitlement players on the team. Guys that thought just because I am here, I should play. this goes for both the upperclassmen and freshman. We have had 5 years of top notch recruiting classes and there are a lot of guys who have paid their dues and expect to play and there are a lot of newbies that are great and expect to play. When you have a guy like Pouncey talking smack before the season and then going out and having the worst performance by a Center I have ever seen, it doesn't help matters. The identity issue is related to the above, but has different issues on offense and defense. On offense, we started out trying to run the same spread we ran for the past 3 years, that won't work because we don't have #15. So the coaches have been trying to figure out what we are good at and create this hybrid spread-pro set offense. If you are a young player on the team and you are used to this fast paced high scoring machine, it has to affect your psyche. It appears we are finally getting into some type of rythym, but is still seems choppy. Q1 against UK was great, Q2 back to the basics, Q3 much better. We need to find the consistent play and play calling. On defense the problem is too many good players, a nice problem to have. We have so many guys with roughly the same level of experience, we keep rotating them in and out, but all it takes is for one of them to be playing on the wrong play that he doesn't know how to cover or against a mismatch WR. Cody Riggs, is an awesome special teams player, but got abused in the KY game. Last, the Bama game worries me, but all big games make me feel this way. I have watched Bama play 3 times this year, and while they may have won more impressively, they aren't as great as everyone is making them out to be. They make mistakes and had to come back from a double digit deficit against Arky and had to rely on several incredible Arky mistakes to win. I think we can score on Bama, the question is can we stop them from scoring. Ingram and Richardson are big, fast bruising backs, they can't be arm tackled and that is a weakness of our team in my opinion. We seem to have a hard time wrapping up players and taking them down, they always seem to get that extra 2 or 3 yards after contact. Add in the mix Julio at WR and we have another big guy to take down. I think this will be relatively high scoring for what are
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Vu Deja---nice piece. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:16 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions Okay, I don't profess to be a football expert, but I do think I know little about the game. Everything below is my opinion only and no matter how I state anything, nothing is fact, my opinion only! The Gators are not as bad as they have looked at times and I don't think we have seen them as good as they can be either. There have been several glaring errors - poor snaps, penalties, blown coverages. And some supposed errors - wrong people on the field, bad play calls, coaches not seeing the fake FG and calling TO. The problem with evaluating this team for me, is that I only get to watch on TV, so I don't get to see the whole field and make my own determination if the play calling is effective and/or if the QB read was correct on the play. Having said that, here is what I have seen: - Watching on TV which typically shows 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on the main shot, you will usually only see 7 or 8 defensive players. That means that the safeties at least are playing very deep and keeping everything in front of them, the classic Tampa2 defense. Contrary to what the spread offense implies, Urban is a very conservative coach, if the D is keeping you from the deep ball, the reads go to the short crossing routes where our speedy WRs go against LBs. This is not flashy and doesn't result in 2 minute scoring drives, but it is taking what the defense is giving us. The thing I can't see on TV is are our WRs getting any separation when they are running off the coverage? The alternative is to go the Arkansas route, where the offense is designed to go deep and will try that no matter what, the result is interceptions when it doesn't work. - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. The biggest issue with this team however is the intangibles. Identity and team chemistry, this team is lacking. As far as team chemistry I can only guess at the dynamics, but given some of the quoted chatter and rumors that were swirling, I think there were/are some, dare I say it... entitlement players on the team. Guys that thought just because I am here, I should play. this goes for both the upperclassmen and freshman. We have had 5 years of top notch recruiting classes and there are a lot of guys who have paid their dues and expect to play and there are a lot of newbies that are great and expect to play. When you have a guy like Pouncey talking smack before the season and then going out and having the worst performance by a Center I have ever seen, it doesn't help matters. The identity issue is related to the above, but has different issues on offense and defense. On offense, we started out trying to run the same spread we ran for the past 3 years, that won't work because we don't have #15. So the coaches have been trying to figure out what we are good at and create this hybrid spread-pro set offense. If you are a young player on the team and you are used to this fast paced high scoring machine, it has to affect your psyche. It appears we are finally getting into some type of rythym, but is still seems choppy. Q1 against UK was great, Q2 back to the basics, Q3 much better. We need to find the consistent play and play calling. On defense the problem is too many good players, a nice problem to have. We have so many guys with roughly the same level of experience, we keep rotating them in and out, but all it takes is for one of them to be playing on the wrong play that he doesn't know how to cover or against a mismatch WR. Cody Riggs, is an awesome special teams player, but got abused in the KY game. Last, the Bama game worries me, but all big games make me feel this way. I have watched Bama play 3 times this year, and while they may have won more impressively, they aren't as great as everyone is making them out to be. They make mistakes and had to come back from a double digit deficit against Arky and had to rely on several incredible Arky mistakes to win. I think we can score on Bama, the question is can we stop them from scoring. Ingram and Richardson are big, fast bruising backs, they can't be arm tackled and that is a weakness of our team in my opinion. We seem to
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Centers that can't snap the ball - and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team - the OL - can't block? WRs that don't know how to block and what routes to run? I don't want this for years to come. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:51 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. rick - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we should go back to a JV team? That is what schools use to do to develop players so that once they hit the big time - they were ready. This is what I hope Foley is asking Urban Meyer. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Scott, I think this might be why we haven't seen a lot of the long down field passes you've been wanting. It's the receivers who weren't ready to go. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/pages/gators_blog/0 Image removed by sender. UF-Blog-666x100.jpg Gator offense finds its identity By http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/pages/landing?Larry-Vettel=1blockID=98999 feedID=4320 LARRY VETTEL http://florida.scout.com/ FightinGators.com Florida head coach Urban Meyer says the offensive balance was critical to the Gator win and it's something fans will see more of going forward. I want to say we were fifty-fifty run, pass on all those big drives we had. (We had) a lot of first down mixing (the run with) the drop back and the play action pass and we're going to move in that direction. We have to. Now that we have confidence in our receivers that's the direction we're gonna go. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim
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Where's the moderator when you need him. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Centers that can't snap the ball - and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team - the OL - can't block? WRs that don't know how to block and what routes to run? I don't want this for years to come. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:51 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. rick - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we should go back to a JV team? That is what schools use to do to develop players so that once they hit the big time - they were ready. This is what I hope Foley is asking Urban Meyer. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Scott, I think this might be why we haven't seen a lot of the long down field passes you've been wanting. It's the receivers who weren't ready to go. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/pages/gators_blog/0 Gator offense finds its identity By LARRY VETTEL http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/pages/landing?Larry-Vettel=1blockID=9 8999feedID=4320 FightinGators.com http://florida.scout.com/ Florida head coach Urban Meyer says the offensive balance was critical to the Gator win and it's something fans will see more of going forward. I want to say we were fifty-fifty run, pass on all those big drives we had. (We had) a lot of first down mixing (the run with) the drop back and the play action pass and we're going to move in that direction. We have to. Now that we have confidence in our receivers that's the direction we're gonna go. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy
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Yet despite all of that, we have still won 24 consecutive regular season games and lost only one game in the last 24 months. And most of our wins have been by double digits. And we play in the strongest conference in college football. So I guess I would have three questions: How many other Div 1 coaching staffs can say all of that? (One I know of and we will see them in action this week. ) How many times can we say that about Florida football in our history? (I don't think it has ever happened.) Who would you bring in to fix these serious coaching problems? (It probably needs to be someone with extensive keyboard coaching experience.) It also seems like we are seeing continuous progress in each of the areas below. - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Centers that can't snap the ball - and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team - the OL - can't block? WRs that don't know how to block and what routes to run? I don't want this for years to come. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:51 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. rick - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we should go back to a JV team? That is what schools use to do to develop players so that once they hit the big time - they were ready. This is what I hope Foley is asking Urban Meyer. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Scott, I think this might be why we haven't seen a lot of the long down field passes you've been wanting. It's the receivers who weren't ready to go. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 Gator offense finds its identity By LARRY VETTEL FightinGators.com Florida head coach Urban Meyer says the offensive balance was critical to the Gator win and it's something fans will see more of going forward. I want to say we were fifty-fifty run, pass on all those big drives we had. (We had) a lot of first down mixing (the run with) the drop back and the play action pass and we're going to move in that direction. We have to. Now that we have confidence in our receivers that's the direction we're gonna go. -- GATORS:
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
I was referring to games 1 to 3 of this year? They had stud, veteran players, and nine months of practice and working out together. You think they looked like a great coached team? I don't. I stick by statement that in the first couple of games this season - we did not look well coached and ready to play. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Yet despite all of that, we have still won 24 consecutive regular season games and lost only one game in the last 24 months. And most of our wins have been by double digits. And we play in the strongest conference in college football. So I guess I would have three questions: How many other Div 1 coaching staffs can say all of that? (One I know of and we will see them in action this week. ) How many times can we say that about Florida football in our history? (I don't think it has ever happened.) Who would you bring in to fix these serious coaching problems? (It probably needs to be someone with extensive keyboard coaching experience.) It also seems like we are seeing continuous progress in each of the areas below. - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Centers that can't snap the ball - and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team - the OL - can't block? WRs that don't know how to block and what routes to run? I don't want this for years to come. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:51 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. rick - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity We have 4 and 5 star receivers and QB that have been in system for years - and now that it is their turn to step up into the limelight - we don't have confidence in them or they don't have confidence ?!?! That says - serious coaching problems. Why is the defense able to play - and now start - so many true freshmen? And have confidence in them? Granted defense is easier than offense - but we are comparing true freshmen on defense versus offensive guys that have been in the system for years. How are other teams - like Cam Newton at Auburn, Ingrahm and Richardson at Alabama, Lattimore at South Carolina - able to do it? Oliver - I am not going off on you - but on this topic - all of these excuses - for why players are not ready to play after several years in the system. Debose sat out all last year - and this year he doesn't know the plays? What the heck was he doing last year while sitting around rehabing? Why didn't they have some graduate assistant sitting there next to the hot tub quizzing him on the plays? There are serious problems in developing these studs - and all I've heard are excuses. I am not calling for firing the coaches - obviously they do some good things. But to not have these guys ready to play is inexcusable and speaks of a major problem. I don't know what the fix is - but then again I am not being paid $3 million (or whatever) to fix it. We just wasted four games teaching guys how to block, run routes, and snap the ball. Maybe we should go back to a JV team? That is what schools use to do to develop players so that once they hit the big time - they were ready. This is what I hope Foley is asking Urban Meyer. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:22 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Scott, I think this might be why we haven't seen a lot of the long down field passes you've been wanting. It's the receivers who weren't ready to go. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/pages/gators_blog/0 Image removed by sender. UF-Blog-666x100.jpg Gator offense finds its identity By
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Seriously Keith - did you watch the game Saturday night? I counted one bad snap - and I have seen other teams with more than that recently. I saw some running plays between the tackles with huge holes for the backs to run through - did the defenders all just fall down? I saw WRs running open and making some great downfield blocks. Did I see all of this happen on every play? Of course not. Guess what? There's not a team in the country - and I'm talking about ones that play on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays - that did everything thing right every play. If we were still playing the way we played against Miami of Ohio, or even the first half against USF I could understand, and would share, your concern about the coaching staff. But, from my point of view, I see a team that is getting better every game. We may not win every game this year. We never have, and that covers a lot of years and a lot of different coaching staffs. But we are one of the premier programs in college football, and for most of my life that statement would have been laughable. A few years ago, USC seemed untouchable - where are they now? If there's a program that has recruited as well as us the last few years, and the one that makes more money than football than us, it's Texas. They just lost at home to an unranked UCLA team that was recently shut out themselves at their home. So forgive me for not buying into the doomsday scenario. Feel free to be concerned all you want. I know that we can get better. I guess the difference is that I think we are. Steve --- Keith Baldwin wrote: Centers that can’t snap the ball – and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team – the OL – can’t block? WRs that don’t know how to block and what routes to run? I don’t want this for years to come. On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com That says – serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
[gatortalk] More UGA
Just got this from my brother. It's ok to click on. we need to keep this fine man on the job!! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 http://www.keepmarkricht.com/ click on it. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Yes, it did. And, I was one of those caught up in it. Abraham Lincoln said, never argue with a fool, people can't tell the difference. No, I'm not calling anyone a fool, I'm saying it was stupid to get into an argument with someone else who is rooting for the same team. And, for that I apologize. Next time, I'll remember to hit the delete button sooner in the process. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Steve: I must be talking another language. Did you read my post? I was talking about the first game especially - and carrying over to games 2 and 3. They looked like I was coaching them. I've already said by the Kentucky game they looked much improved. That is how I had expected them to look in the first game. I agree that these coaches (or rather the coaches we've had in the past under Urban Meyer) have achieved great results. That is why the first couple of games were so unbelievable. My problem was the point where we started from this year. If we played in the first game as well as we did in the Kentucky game - where would we be 4 games later? We only get 12 games in the regular season. Every game counts - a lot. When they start the season horribly - as they did - I don't think they progress as much - over the year - as if they are blowing people out and playing a lot of the backups. Then Alag8r starts trying to twist my comments into saying these coaches suck, always have sucked, will always suck in the future. That is completely out of context. Screw it. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:18 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Seriously Keith - did you watch the game Saturday night? I counted one bad snap - and I have seen other teams with more than that recently. I saw some running plays between the tackles with huge holes for the backs to run through - did the defenders all just fall down? I saw WRs running open and making some great downfield blocks. Did I see all of this happen on every play? Of course not. Guess what? There's not a team in the country - and I'm talking about ones that play on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays - that did everything thing right every play. If we were still playing the way we played against Miami of Ohio, or even the first half against USF I could understand, and would share, your concern about the coaching staff. But, from my point of view, I see a team that is getting better every game. We may not win every game this year. We never have, and that covers a lot of years and a lot of different coaching staffs. But we are one of the premier programs in college football, and for most of my life that statement would have been laughable. A few years ago, USC seemed untouchable - where are they now? If there's a program that has recruited as well as us the last few years, and the one that makes more money than football than us, it's Texas. They just lost at home to an unranked UCLA team that was recently shut out themselves at their home. So forgive me for not buying into the doomsday scenario. Feel free to be concerned all you want. I know that we can get better. I guess the difference is that I think we are. Steve --- Keith Baldwin wrote: Centers that can't snap the ball - and the other centers are much worse? The strength of our team - the OL - can't block? WRs that don't know how to block and what routes to run? I don't want this for years to come. On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com That says - serious coaching problems. May we continue to have these serious coaching problems for many years to come. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
That won't happen until Woody comes back to the fold. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity It's about time - let the healing begin... --- Keith Baldwin wrote: I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] bama
bamaGee... I wonnder if our coaches were smart enough to foresee that. ;-) Cee - Original Message - From: oli...@bobparks.com To: Gator Talk Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] bama Yep, even at the end of the game Arkansas could have won it. They beat themselves with dumb mistakes, like Mallett's ill-fated attempt to throw out of bounds. We make fewer mistakes than them (Ark) and we win. Instead of dreaming of how to shut Brantley down, Ala's spending valuable practice time on Trey Burton. That will also help loosen their D. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:16:20 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama Keith, Just want you to know I like you plan, don't think it will happen, but I like your thinking. I think we load the box with five dl and make McElroy beat us. I agree with Steve, that you can't stop Bama's run game, but maybe you can contain it. If we can get a lead similar to what Arky did, I think our D is good enough to keep Bama from making a comeback. Granted loading the box didn't work in last year's SECCG, but I still think that is the way to beat Bama. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:50 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama If Alabama will tell us what plays they are going to run the ball - we can put in our 5 man defensive front. If they tell us what plays they are going to pass the ball - we can put in our 5 defensive backs. That's my game plan. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:42 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama 1. LOL! Remember Arian Foster (UT)? Or even Knowshon Moreno (UGA)? Supposedly stellar running backs that we weren't supposed to be able to contain or shut down... but we DID. I can guarantee you that Mr. Ingram will get more respect AND attention this week and he won't be as effective on Saturday as he was last time we met. I think if the same offense shows up two Saturday's in a row, we win by 20. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] bama I agree - right down the line. Arky definitely has a better downfield passing offense. I think that if we can hit a lot of our short possession type passes, that will have the same effect as a powerful running game - keep the chains moving and their offense off of the field. I don't think that we (or anyone else) can completely shut down the Bama ground game, but we may have the horses to keep them from being able to beat us with that alone. If we don't give them short fields or easy scores from turnovers, and if the Bama loving SEC officials let both teams play equally I think it could be a reaaly close, nerve-wracking contest. --- Keith Baldwin wrote: How does our defense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our run offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - better How does our pass offense compare to Arkansas? My opinion - not as good How much does away versus home mean to Alabama? My opinion - gives them a 7 point advantage -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
In the list admin's defense, he *did* point out at the time that Randy's congregation in unison comment was just as bad as Scott's the whole list is disappointed comment. Cee - Original Message - From: Randy Lyons gatorspo...@epbfi.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Oh, you and I agree on a LOT of things, but those are THFGT issues. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:18 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
...pass the tissues, Cee. ;-) .and lighten up, Frances. Hey, Big Man, lemme hold a dollar. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:24 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity In the list admin's defense, he *did* point out at the time that Randy's congregation in unison comment was just as bad as Scott's the whole list is disappointed comment. Cee - Original Message - From: Randy Lyons gatorspo...@epbfi.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Oh, you and I agree on a LOT of things, but those are THFGT issues. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:18 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Email or call me first and I'll slap you back to reality first! :-) Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com wrote: Yes, it did. And, I was one of those caught up in it. Abraham Lincoln said, never argue with a fool, people can't tell the difference. No, I'm not calling anyone a fool, I'm saying it was stupid to get into an argument with someone else who is rooting for the same team. And, for that I apologize. Next time, I'll remember to hit the delete button sooner in the process. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Keith, Mea culpa - I missed, until later, the fact that you were commenting on only the earlier games. That being said, there were a lot of things that kept us from starting out of the gate the way that we played in game four. One person may call those things reasons, another may call them excuses. Nine months of lifting weights together and players getting together on their own to throw the ball around and run wind sprints don't do a lot for cohesion - there's only a limited time to get that done. I have no way of knowing this - it may be pure pollyanna sunshine pumping, but there's a chance that our coaches didn't rush to bring the team along any quicker because they knew they didn't have to. I'm sure they weren't any happier than we were with how sloppy it got, but maybe, just maybe, there was a game looming on that schedule that they'd been pointing to all off season... Steve -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
Ken- Very interesting comments. I especially appreciate the item below. It is reassuring to know that there is a method in their madness. Helen - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offensefinds its identity
Heh heh... Ok! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Shane Ford goufgat...@bellsouth.net Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:51:42 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comgatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Email or call me first and I'll slap you back to reality first! :-) Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com wrote: Yes, it did. And, I was one of those caught up in it. Abraham Lincoln said, never argue with a fool, people can't tell the difference. No, I'm not calling anyone a fool, I'm saying it was stupid to get into an argument with someone else who is rooting for the same team. And, for that I apologize. Next time, I'll remember to hit the delete button sooner in the process. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
RE: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
There are other reasons you run that play - it helps identify defensive assignments - it is a part of the triple option (dive, QB keeps, pitch) It is up to the QB to read the play and determine if he is going to give it. Without a true option QB though you almost need to make up your mind before you read the play, otherwise by the time you pull it out to run the QB, he better be fast, big or both. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Huntley Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:42 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions Ken- Very interesting comments. I especially appreciate the item below. It is reassuring to know that there is a method in their madness. Helen - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. -- Helen Huntley (727) 823-3801 www.helenhuntley.com -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
So we need to orchestrate a feud periodically just to lure you out of lurkdom, eh? Ok, everyone! It worked! We found out that Rick is still alive! :) Don't wait so long next time, Rick. Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I am going to try my best to not hurt anyone's feelings here... I think I am the someone who rarely posts who fired off the entitlement email. It is true that I rarely post, but I have been part of this group going back to the Prodigy days on my Commodore 64. There have been times when I have not posted for years at a time, but usually because gatorzone.com would block emails I sent from whatever email system I was on at the time. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately depending on your perspective, I am currently able to send emails to the list and will start posting occasionally again. My original email that seems to have kicked off a sordid affair that mushroomed was actually about my opinion that there is an attitude difference between us older generation gator fans and gator fans who have come along more recently. What I was trying to say, and must have said poorly, was that there is a process to developing a football team and that it doesn't happen in an instant, but that in the opinion of this old football fan, watching the process of development is an enjoyment in itself. It is very rare that any team is going to play at peak effeciency for every single game of an entire season. In fact, I can't even think of an example where it has happened. And it is my opinion that fans who don't appreciate the process of development are missing something really fun, interesting, and even beautiful. It seems like, in my opinion, that those fans not only miss something really, really enjoyble, but also make themselves miserable at the same time. The thing that really sets me off, and does tend to bring me out of very long term lurk mode, is when some of these fans who are making themselves miserable at unmet expectations start visciously attacking the best coaching staff I have seen yet at developing a team over an entire season. I actually think that last year was possible their worst job of coaching, but I am willing to forgive them because in my opinion there were some unprecedented circumstances, including tebow mania, that made the entire season very strange. Besides, 13-1 is a keeper. As for this year, I do have concerns even after the KY game. In fact, I now have a new concern that we may become too predictable in the red zone now that Trey has been discovered. However, where I think I differ from some who are not as old and worn out as I am, is that I do wear pollianna brand orange and blue glasses so I trust this great coaching staff to give us the best season achievable with this collection of experience and talent that we have on this team. I will celebrate every win no matter the score and I will enjoy every minute of watching these guys develop and grow. Even if there is no championship earned this year, and I am a long way from giving up on that hope, I will still enjoy this season and look forward to a large group of these guys coming back next year to try again. And every once in a while, I will fire off a post that will hurt the feelings of someone who posts a lot more often than I do if I think they are unfairly criticizing a staff who has earned every bit of our trust and respect. Rick aka as alag8r since the mid-80's or originalalag8r on gator country. - Original Message - From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gatoroffensefinds its identity
Well, yes, but only when wielded by the Mistress of the Night. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:35 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offensefinds its identity Oliver prefers the riding crop. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:58 PM To: Gator Talk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offensefinds its identity Heh heh... Ok! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Shane Ford goufgat...@bellsouth.net Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:51:42 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comgatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Email or call me first and I'll slap you back to reality first! :-) Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com wrote: Yes, it did. And, I was one of those caught up in it. Abraham Lincoln said, never argue with a fool, people can't tell the difference. No, I'm not calling anyone a fool, I'm saying it was stupid to get into an argument with someone else who is rooting for the same team. And, for that I apologize. Next time, I'll remember to hit the delete button sooner in the process. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests
[gatortalk] Time to play Pick 'Em
October looms, Gators. Time to play Pick 'Em. Head in the general direction of: http://pickem.g8r.com You have until Saturday around 11 AM. Best of luck.. John and Oz -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
Ken - this is an enjoyable post and I agree that we have not seen the Gators play their best game yet. That is probably a good thing and hopefully we will see continuous improvement. You are right that we can't see if the WR's are getting separation on TV, but I do remember that O Hines was wide open twice when JB sailed it over his head. I have also noticed that JB is still throwing it where the coverage is sometimes and still staring where he is going to throw sometimes. I think the game is still a little fast for JB, but once it slows down, he should be a 70+ percent passer. I also wonder if the coaches have not intentionally protected JB from criticism by shifting it to the WR's a little bit since they knew how difficult replacing a legend was going to be. Bottom line, as JB gets more experience and things slow down, he still can turn into a great QB with his arm and accuracy. I'm not sure about the chemistry issue you mentioned. The true freshman have done what Pouncey asked by shutting their mouths and playing. I think the chemistry might be okay, but I'm not sure the leadership is there yet. My philosphy is that your QB has to be at least one of the main leaders, and I think JB is not comfortable taking that role because he knows he is still making execution mistakes. As he settles in, I think he may take a bigger leadership role. I don't think the problem is the coaches. I think they are doing a great job of working with the peices they have and bringing them along as quickly as possible. As the game slows for the players, the coaches will open it up more and more. As for bama, I think we have about a 10% chance of winning this meeting because of the venue. I was there for the last visit and it was very painful. On a true neutral field, I think it would be maybe 40% chance of winning. If we are talented and fortunate enough to get a rematch in Atlanta, I think our chance of winning will be decent. Not because of it being a neutral field, because it will always be a bama crowd at the seccg, but because i believe we have more long term upside than bama. rick - Original Message - From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions Okay, I don't profess to be a football expert, but I do think I know little about the game. Everything below is my opinion only and no matter how I state anything, nothing is fact, my opinion only! The Gators are not as bad as they have looked at times and I don't think we have seen them as good as they can be either. There have been several glaring errors - poor snaps, penalties, blown coverages. And some supposed errors - wrong people on the field, bad play calls, coaches not seeing the fake FG and calling TO. The problem with evaluating this team for me, is that I only get to watch on TV, so I don't get to see the whole field and make my own determination if the play calling is effective and/or if the QB read was correct on the play. Having said that, here is what I have seen: - Watching on TV which typically shows 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on the main shot, you will usually only see 7 or 8 defensive players. That means that the safeties at least are playing very deep and keeping everything in front of them, the classic Tampa2 defense. Contrary to what the spread offense implies, Urban is a very conservative coach, if the D is keeping you from the deep ball, the reads go to the short crossing routes where our speedy WRs go against LBs. This is not flashy and doesn't result in 2 minute scoring drives, but it is taking what the defense is giving us. The thing I can't see on TV is are our WRs getting any separation when they are running off the coverage? The alternative is to go the Arkansas route, where the offense is designed to go deep and will try that no matter what, the result is interceptions when it doesn't work. - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will pop through the hole and have the opportunity to make a couple of guys miss for a big gain. So, we keep running what is seemingly an unsuccessful play over and over, the whole purpose being to keep the LBs closer to the line so the crossing routes and wide runs work better. The biggest issue with this team however is the intangibles. Identity and team chemistry, this team is lacking. As far as team chemistry I can only guess at the dynamics, but given some of the quoted chatter and rumors that were swirling, I think there were/are some, dare I say it... entitlement players on the
RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Pastor Belloit is going to have to intervene. I am thinking it is getting time for the Helen solution so we can get back to redirecting our hurt feelings toward Alabama. Remember Alabama kept us from a perfect season! Remember Alabama stole Julio Jones and Trent Richardson from us. (Imagine our team with them!) Jerry -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Rick, I, personally, think you are on the money with your observations. I am also one of those long time Gators (40 years and counting) who has seen the very worst and appreciate the very best. No matter how the team of the year performs, I will always bleed orange and blue and, even thru disappointment, will believe in the Gators!!! Wanda - Original Message - From: ala...@gatorzone.com ala...@gatorzone.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I am going to try my best to not hurt anyone's feelings here... I think I am the someone who rarely posts who fired off the entitlement email. It is true that I rarely post, but I have been part of this group going back to the Prodigy days on my Commodore 64. There have been times when I have not posted for years at a time, but usually because gatorzone.com would block emails I sent from whatever email system I was on at the time. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately depending on your perspective, I am currently able to send emails to the list and will start posting occasionally again. My original email that seems to have kicked off a sordid affair that mushroomed was actually about my opinion that there is an attitude difference between us older generation gator fans and gator fans who have come along more recently. What I was trying to say, and must have said poorly, was that there is a process to developing a football team and that it doesn't happen in an instant, but that in the opinion of this old football fan, watching the process of development is an enjoyment in itself. It is very rare that any team is going to play at peak effeciency for every single game of an entire season. In fact, I can't even think of an example where it has happened. And it is my opinion that fans who don't appreciate the process of development are missing something really fun, interesting, and even beautiful. It seems like, in my opinion, that those fans not only miss something really, really enjoyble, but also make themselves miserable at the same time. The thing that really sets me off, and does tend to bring me out of very long term lurk mode, is when some of these fans who are making themselves miserable at unmet expectations start visciously attacking the best coaching staff I have seen yet at developing a team over an entire season. I actually think that last year was possible their worst job of coaching, but I am willing to forgive them because in my opinion there were some unprecedented circumstances, including tebow mania, that made the entire season very strange. Besides, 13-1 is a keeper. As for this year, I do have concerns even after the KY game. In fact, I now have a new concern that we may become too predictable in the red zone now that Trey has been discovered. However, where I think I differ from some who are not as old and worn out as I am, is that I do wear pollianna brand orange and blue glasses so I trust this great coaching staff to give us the best season achievable with this collection of experience and talent that we have on this team. I will celebrate every win no matter the score and I will enjoy every minute of watching these guys develop and grow. Even if there is no championship earned this year, and I am a long way from giving up on that hope, I will still enjoy this season and look forward to a large group of these guys coming back next year to try again. And every once in a while, I will fire off a post that will hurt the feelings of someone who posts a lot more often than I do if I think they are unfairly criticizing a staff who has earned every bit of our trust and respect. Rick aka as alag8r since the mid-80's or originalalag8r on gator country. - Original Message - From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their
RE: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions
Rick and Ken, I am wearing my Pollyanna orange and blue glasses. I think Florida will beat the spread and beat Alabama in the process. Here is how I think things will go. First, we will play five down linemen most of the game doing our best to shut down their running game. We will force them to throw. I look for our defense to score and be the winning margin. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ala...@gatorzone.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:44 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions Ken - this is an enjoyable post and I agree that we have not seen the Gators play their best game yet. That is probably a good thing and hopefully we will see continuous improvement. You are right that we can't see if the WR's are getting separation on TV, but I do remember that O Hines was wide open twice when JB sailed it over his head. I have also noticed that JB is still throwing it where the coverage is sometimes and still staring where he is going to throw sometimes. I think the game is still a little fast for JB, but once it slows down, he should be a 70+ percent passer. I also wonder if the coaches have not intentionally protected JB from criticism by shifting it to the WR's a little bit since they knew how difficult replacing a legend was going to be. Bottom line, as JB gets more experience and things slow down, he still can turn into a great QB with his arm and accuracy. I'm not sure about the chemistry issue you mentioned. The true freshman have done what Pouncey asked by shutting their mouths and playing. I think the chemistry might be okay, but I'm not sure the leadership is there yet. My philosphy is that your QB has to be at least one of the main leaders, and I think JB is not comfortable taking that role because he knows he is still making execution mistakes. As he settles in, I think he may take a bigger leadership role. I don't think the problem is the coaches. I think they are doing a great job of working with the peices they have and bringing them along as quickly as possible. As the game slows for the players, the coaches will open it up more and more. As for bama, I think we have about a 10% chance of winning this meeting because of the venue. I was there for the last visit and it was very painful. On a true neutral field, I think it would be maybe 40% chance of winning. If we are talented and fortunate enough to get a rematch in Atlanta, I think our chance of winning will be decent. Not because of it being a neutral field, because it will always be a bama crowd at the seccg, but because i believe we have more long term upside than bama. rick - Original Message - From: Ken Kirkley mailto:k...@kirkley.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Technical Talk Opinions Okay, I don't profess to be a football expert, but I do think I know little about the game. Everything below is my opinion only and no matter how I state anything, nothing is fact, my opinion only! The Gators are not as bad as they have looked at times and I don't think we have seen them as good as they can be either. There have been several glaring errors - poor snaps, penalties, blown coverages. And some supposed errors - wrong people on the field, bad play calls, coaches not seeing the fake FG and calling TO. The problem with evaluating this team for me, is that I only get to watch on TV, so I don't get to see the whole field and make my own determination if the play calling is effective and/or if the QB read was correct on the play. Having said that, here is what I have seen: - Watching on TV which typically shows 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage on the main shot, you will usually only see 7 or 8 defensive players. That means that the safeties at least are playing very deep and keeping everything in front of them, the classic Tampa2 defense. Contrary to what the spread offense implies, Urban is a very conservative coach, if the D is keeping you from the deep ball, the reads go to the short crossing routes where our speedy WRs go against LBs. This is not flashy and doesn't result in 2 minute scoring drives, but it is taking what the defense is giving us. The thing I can't see on TV is are our WRs getting any separation when they are running off the coverage? The alternative is to go the Arkansas route, where the offense is designed to go deep and will try that no matter what, the result is interceptions when it doesn't work. - The dive play. This is really part of the triple option and the reason it goes up the middle is partly because of the explanation above. If the D plays 2 deep safeties and we complete a bunch of crossing patterns, the LBs will tend to creep back to better cover the crossing play. When this happens, if the OL is blocking well, our speedy RB will
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
D-I-T-T-O. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ala...@gatorzone.com ala...@gatorzone.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 1:11:36 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I am going to try my best to not hurt anyone's feelings here... I think I am the someone who rarely posts who fired off the entitlement email. It is true that I rarely post, but I have been part of this group going back to the Prodigy days on my Commodore 64. There have been times when I have not posted for years at a time, but usually because gatorzone.com would block emails I sent from whatever email system I was on at the time. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately depending on your perspective, I am currently able to send emails to the list and will start posting occasionally again. My original email that seems to have kicked off a sordid affair that mushroomed was actually about my opinion that there is an attitude difference between us older generation gator fans and gator fans who have come along more recently. What I was trying to say, and must have said poorly, was that there is a process to developing a football team and that it doesn't happen in an instant, but that in the opinion of this old football fan, watching the process of development is an enjoyment in itself. It is very rare that any team is going to play at peak effeciency for every single game of an entire season. In fact, I can't even think of an example where it has happened. And it is my opinion that fans who don't appreciate the process of development are missing something really fun, interesting, and even beautiful. It seems like, in my opinion, that those fans not only miss something really, really enjoyble, but also make themselves miserable at the same time. The thing that really sets me off, and does tend to bring me out of very long term lurk mode, is when some of these fans who are making themselves miserable at unmet expectations start visciously attacking the best coaching staff I have seen yet at developing a team over an entire season. I actually think that last year was possible their worst job of coaching, but I am willing to forgive them because in my opinion there were some unprecedented circumstances, including tebow mania, that made the entire season very strange. Besides, 13-1 is a keeper. As for this year, I do have concerns even after the KY game. In fact, I now have a new concern that we may become too predictable in the red zone now that Trey has been discovered. However, where I think I differ from some who are not as old and worn out as I am, is that I do wear pollianna brand orange and blue glasses so I trust this great coaching staff to give us the best season achievable with this collection of experience and talent that we have on this team. I will celebrate every win no matter the score and I will enjoy every minute of watching these guys develop and grow. Even if there is no championship earned this year, and I am a long way from giving up on that hope, I will still enjoy this season and look forward to a large group of these guys coming back next year to try again. And every once in a while, I will fire off a post that will hurt the feelings of someone who posts a lot more often than I do if I think they are unfairly criticizing a staff who has earned every bit of our trust and respect. Rick aka as alag8r since the mid-80's or originalalag8r on gator country. - Original Message - From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
What happened to Woody? Is he OK? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 3:20:14 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity That won't happen until Woody comes back to the fold. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity It's about time - let the healing begin... --- Keith Baldwin wrote: I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Hey, Jay...do you know where I can get a couple of extra 'delete' keys? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 3:28:01 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity ...pass the tissues, Cee. ;-) .and lighten up, Frances. Hey, Big Man, lemme hold a dollar. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:24 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity In the list admin's defense, he *did* point out at the time that Randy's congregation in unison comment was just as bad as Scott's the whole list is disappointed comment. Cee - Original Message - From: Randy Lyons gatorspo...@epbfi.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Oh, you and I agree on a LOT of things, but those are THFGT issues. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Baldwin Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:18 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity I guess you're saying - it can't be your fault - it must be all Steve's fault - because now he is the administrator At least we can all agree on something ... -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lyons Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Ok, ok... I guess my everyone in the congregation said amen! was out of line. I realize now that Sister Hazel was searching through her purse for her hanky, six teenagers on the back row were listening to hip-hop on their iPods, four guys were gazing out the window dreaming of hunting season, and I have to admit I was thinking about my next road trip on the bike. Not exactly a consensus. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged
Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity
Maybe you meant this quote from Mark Twain: Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 2:57:47 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Yes, it did. And, I was one of those caught up in it. Abraham Lincoln said, never argue with a fool, people can't tell the difference. No, I'm not calling anyone a fool, I'm saying it was stupid to get into an argument with someone else who is rooting for the same team. And, for that I apologize. Next time, I'll remember to hit the delete button sooner in the process. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity Cee, Like most things, this whole sordid affair has a mushroomed way out of proportion. Someone, who rarely posts, fires off the entitlement email because Scott, Woody and Keith are frustrated with Gators performance. BTW, the aforementioned poster, has not posted since posting his entitlement post except for one quick retort to Woody, that sent Woody on a walk about. Then Scott, Woody, and Keith, assume that entitlement poster speaks for all of us on Gator Talk and take exception and viola' here we are. My personal opinion is we all could use a little better understanding of the fact that no one person on this list speaks for all, no matter which opinion they may hold. Terms like I think or my opinion is are much easier to relate to than generalization as Gator Nation, everybody, or anybody. No one wants words put in their mouths or, heaven forbid, have their Gator loyalty questioned. I am not the biggest fan of the wording of some of the posts posted on GatorTalk, but I will defend anyone's right to post whatever they feel, within GatorTalk 's stated guidelines. Anytime you get a group of people together to discuss anything you will have different opinions, very few opinions will be changed on the spot, however you may be able to start the process of change by giving someone something else to consider. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [Foxsportsflorida.com] Gator offense finds its identity - Original Message - From: Keith Baldwin ke...@baldwinnc.com My concern lies in people that think we don't have any problems, willing to accept whatever excuses they hear and don't want to think through what their eyes are seeing. Who has done that? Even those of us who have said we're happy with a 4-0 season and the team is performing at about the level we expected have acknowledged repeatedly that there is room for improvement. Of course there is. These are young men who have a lot to learn. No one has denied that. I don't know how disagreement with what someone wrote has come to be seen as personal attacks. Other than the Pollyanna label, which the Pollyannas among us bear proudly, I haven't seen any name-calling. I like reading the different perspectives and opinions, and I'd hate to think that any of us are not free to disagree with anything said here. I can tell you guys are nervous as cats on a hot tin roof right now, anticipating and even dreading the Bama game. That kind of anxiety always manifests itself in a big meltdown here on GatorTalk. Always has. Y'all chill out. Have a beer or something. Stop being so touchy. Cee -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE
