RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:00 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > I totally agree here. (Of course, I think the Free Software vs. > Proprietary Software "war" is just heating up.) > > I'm ready to call end of thread if everyone else is. :) > I was going to argue a few things, but I think this is probably a better idea. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
> -Original Message- > From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:26 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader > > I'm happy to leave the info vs man flamewar for someone else, > but what I _don't_ like is when you have both man and info, > and one of them is very deficient (in grub's case, man). The > description is different, less informative, and quite > misleading. Instead, is should say either nothing but "refer > to info pages"; or it should be the same as the info pages... > > would anyone agree? That is exactly what a number of packages do I think. I have seen many of them that the man page and the info page were identicle. More often though it looked like they made a decent man page, and coppied it to info. :-) ��í¢ï¿½z� ��(��&j)b� b�
RE: [gentoo-user] ADSL network
> > -Original Message- > From: sain yan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:11 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] ADSL network > > Hi > > My box can`t link to internet , I using rp-pppoe > I think it work fine, when run pppoe-start I get > internet IP and the right DNS informention in > /etc/resolv.conf ï¼but ping google.com , unknewn name, > ping IP is rest > > why?? Does the network use static IP addreses or dynamic. YahooBB in Japan for instance uses DHCP. If this is the case, then you can try looking into dhcpcd. :-) ��í¢ï¿½z� ��(��&j)b� b�
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:42 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > If you don't like the GPLv3, you probably didn't > *really* like the GPLv2 and might be more interested > in licensing anything you contribute under something > like MIT/X11/BSD. > > Those licenses allow others to take your code, cripple > it, and sell it to you (perhaps even on a device) for > $100. Oh, and offer you an "upgrade" to (_the same device_ > running) your original code (which still has a few bugs, you > might want a support contract) for $1. > I can't agree with your statements here. Unless you have no understanding of copyright law, you should realize that YOUR code cannot be crippled regardless of the license that you put it under. The code that YOU write and release under an Open Source or Free Software license will still be available under that license even after someone else uses it in a project of their own. If you use a license that allows for relicensing or closing of the code and someone does so, then it only effects THEIR Version of the code. Yours is still intact, and unharmed. The MIT/BSD/etc licenses have the advantage that a person can if they so desire CHOOSE whether or not they wish to make THEIR code and modifications available. This is a choice. Many of us WILL release our own code even under those terms, but it is a choice to do so. I am not saying that the idea of GPL is wrong. Different developers have different desires for their code. I am simply saying that the Open Source route is just as valid as the Free Software route. As for selling it back to you. It is up to every person to take measures to educate themselves on their purchases. It is the responsibility of the vendor, license or no license to make sure that the information is available for the customer to make an educated decision. As long as both hold up their part of the deal, things go well. Both customers and merchants are just as bad about not doing their part though. Merchants sometimes lie about their products, or simply with hold the truth (which is just as bad). Customers often buy things on Impulse with no real clue what they are buying. If one party to the transaction is taking measures to hold up their side of this implied bargain, then they should be able to expect the other side to as well. Failure to do so often times ends up in the faithful party getting screwed. This happens to venders as well as customers. I will admit however, that in today's economy, it is often the vender who has the upper hand. Beyond that, always thinking in terms of worst case scenerios may be good in war time, but otherwise it will just give you ulcers. ^_^ So, like, pick your favorite license, study what you buy before you buy, and relax a bit. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:59 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > Routers: The router issue was probably missed by a number of people simply because in the states it is common for the company to either lease out a router, or sell a branded one that is just a standard router with the Yahoo or cable company logo stamped on the side. At the end of the service term it either goes back to the Company or you can keep using it for the next service. I get the impression that it is the same in Japan. YahooBB (Their branding in Japan) has an option to pay two or three hundred yen exta a month to lease a router. >From what you are saying, it sounds like it is safe to assume that it is NORMALY that way in the EU countries as well. I could be wrong there. ^^;; > The TiVo issue: I previously missunderstood how the TiVo functioned. I have to admit when I am wrong. I was under the impression that the unit worked through a specific network or providers that connected to the network. I have read a little more on the subject, and I have to say that there is a difference between a device designed to connect to a specific network and receive a service, and a device that is advertised as a DVR with a few addons. The DirectTV reciever boxes make a littler more sense that way, but not the standalones. I still believe that a vender has a right to present a service as they intend to use it, as long as they are completely honest with their customers and do so within the terms of any contracts they have with content and software providers. In this case that means the GPL. They were within the word of the GPL at the time. However, they were not totally honest with the way they advertised And hyped their product. :P After reading the Wikipedia article, I see that the VCR+ concept was the same thing without the requirement for network fed TV guide listings. I _THINK_ VCR+ used an encoded time stamp and channel number. :P It never caught on so well though, because it didn't have a lot of hype behind it except for the listing in the TV Guide, and it used VHS tapes instead of a digital format. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re: Installation problems)
> -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:35 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re: > Installation problems) > > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:44:32 +0100, Mike Williams wrote: > > > > > All a good learning process, glad you got it working. > > Oh and you're right, english sucks, and I'm english. > > > > Since you brought the word up, yes, there has to be a problem > in a language where "sucks" and "blows" can mean the same thing. > > -- hendrik O.o You know, you are right. And it is true in every context except one. ^^;; In a dozen different contexts that have minimal or no scientific meaning, "sucks" and "blows" mean the same thing. :P @.@
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: b.n. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:29 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > Personally I'm quite happy with both GPLv2 and GPLv3. > Frankly, my only > real, serious concern is the fact that the two licences are > incompatible. > > The fact compatibility has not explicitly allowed sounds > plain crazy to > me. > > When I tried asking about how to have some degree of compatibility > between GPLv2 and GPLv3 in code I write, everyone told me > "just license it under GPLv2 or any later version". The problem > is that in this case I have to blindly trust the FSF about anything > that will come out of it. > That honestly is the only real way to make them compatible, to use the "or any later version" clause. Version 3 only allows for very specific modifications to itself. Version 2 was a little more forgiving. Version 3 says "Here is a list of optional clauses." There are other options, but they make it into a new license. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Mike Edenfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:30 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > I'm not sure why that seems to be such a problem for GPL > proponents to > admit. It's perfectly legitimate for the GPL to explicitly limit > developer's freedoms (such as the freedom to DRM their > binaries), since > the developers explicitly choose to allow the GPL to do so. I can't disagree here. The developer chooses the license. :) I am occasionally irate, but not irrational. :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:27 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > More than that -- they don't allow the "compromised" devices > to boot. Of course, that's *required* to lay down the > restrictions they want, since one the device is booted from > freely modified code, there's no method of remote attestation > to guarantee your aren't just pretending to be a "genuine" device. > I may need to read more. Not allowing it to boot is a bit extreme. I will read more on the subject before I say anything else about the TiVo guys. ^^;; -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Volker Armin Hemmann > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:20 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Abraham Marín Pérez wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > > >> -Original Message- > > Ok, so good intentions are falling apart and being substituted by > > mercantile minds, but still I can't see how freedom one can be > > threatened while enhancing freedom three, it just seems > contradictory > > to me. > > > > -- > > please tell me, what are these 'four freedoms' and how are > they 'enhancend', > when they are additional restrictions added about how I can > use the software? > -- Sounds like three of us agree on something at least. ^^;; The Four Freedoms: 0: The freedom to use software as you wish. 1: The freedom to study the code and modify it to meet your needs. 2: The freedom to copy and distribute the software so that you can help your neighbors. 3: The freedom to improve the program, and be allowed to release those improvements to the public. These four freedoms are core to the Free Software movement, and are shared in many ways by the Open Source movement as well. Many people do not see how the GPLv3 threatens these freedoms. I don't want people to take my word for it. My worries are not just FUD. I encourage people to read the license. In fact, read GPLv2 as well. :) When they are side by side it is even easier to see the differences. Most importantly, read the preambles of both. The preamble of Version 2 was almost unchanged from the original preamble written for the first GPL license. It was eloquent. It was convincing. It was awe inspiring. The new preamble is only changed a little, but those changes make it sound like the words of a scared child holding back the boogie man with nothing more than a security blanket. It is hard to explain my feelings about the new license. I have accused a few people of Zealotry, but I myself do have strong feelings on the subject. When I read the two licenses side by side I feel a sense of sadness, and betrayal. Those who have fought for so long for freedom are now stomping it out in an over reactionary move to try to prevent what they see as a threat. They took a license that was a work of art that stood as an example to two loosely bound movements, and ran it through the shredder. It is like looking upon the battle flag of your own nation with a moment of pride, only to notice that some vandal has written seditious slurs all over it. I suppose that in it's own way, that is it's own form of Zealotry. My cause is freedom in the truest since. The GPL has never been a perfect icon of that freedom, however it was still a proud example of movement towards that ideal. What they have made of it in the last year and a half however, is a mockery of everything that it ever stood for. I won't use version 3 of the license. Any software that I do choose to release under GPL will be released using version 2. The temptation is there to include the optional wording not to allow future versions of the GPL, and only version 2, however that would be the same kind of restrictiveness that I am speaking against, so I would be honor bound to resist such a move. As it stands, I may be more likely to use the MIT or BSD licenses. They have their following, and leave very little to argue when it comes to freedom. ^^; -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Volker Armin Hemmann > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:19 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: > > > I believe that even Linus - who is noted for his long-standing > > opposition to v3 - would change his mind were he to > experience this. > > "They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my > > own_ router?!?!?!?" > > Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing > Tivo did. > > And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list TiVo took code, incorporated it into a product, and put the modified sources online so people could see them. The sources were heavily modified for a specialized device, but they were provided. They did not allow modified, and therefore potentially Compromised, devices connect to their network. This does not sound like theft of code, it sounds like sound network protocol. If you wish to maintain a secure environment that is stable for thousands of users, and has a lot of money riding on it, you do not allow compromised devices to connect. It is that simple. The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It is sad that many zealots seem to interpret the texts otherwise. I should not be surprised since many people treat the Free Software movement as a religion for all practical purposes. In every religion you will find interpretations and possible corruptions of the groups texts. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Abraham Marín Pérez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:43 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Henk Boom > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:08 AM > >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > > The four freedoms: > > Freedom 0: The freedom to run a program for any purpose. > Freedom 1: To > > study the way a program works, and adapt it to your needs. > Freedom 2: > > To redistribute copies so that you can help your neighbors. > Freedom 3: > > Improve the program, and release your improvements to > >the public, so that the whole community benefits. > > For freedom 1 and 3 to work, the code must be open. > > > > Freedom 1 is just as important as the other three. Freedom one is > > almost eliminated in GPLv3. Freedom One is the freedom that was > > most whole heartedly expressed in the original manifesto. > > > > Freedom 3 is the one that GPLv3 is making most important > now. It does > > so to the detriment of the other three. > > > > > > I'm not very into licenses and hence my question may seem evident (or > even stupid) but still... does not Freedom 3 imply Freedom 1? I mean, > how can you improve a program without being able to study it? :) The freedoms were listed before any license was written. They were the credo that the GNU foundation was founded upon. They were still the credo when the name became the Free Software Foundation. ^_^ Now the direction of the organization has apparently changed. They are more interested in slowing down the competition than helping the community. When they first started, the competition was still thought of as a part of the community. :/ I worry. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Henk Boom > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:08 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > > > On 16/07/07, Volker Armin Hemmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > because gplv3 removes freedom? > > As far as I remember from when I read it, it does not take > any freedoms which the previous versions did not intend to. > The purpose of the GPL is to protect the 4 freedoms. This > instalment just closes loopholes in the previous versions > which would allow these freedoms to be infringed upon. > > Henk Boom > -- The four freedoms: Freedom 0: The freedom to run a program for any purpose. Freedom 1: To study the way a program works, and adapt it to your needs. Freedom 2: To redistribute copies so that you can help your neighbors. Freedom 3: Improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. For freedom 1 and 3 to work, the code must be open. Freedom 1 is just as important as the other three. Freedom one is almost eliminated in GPLv3. Freedom One is the freedom that was most whole heartedly expressed in the original manifesto. Freedom 3 is the one that GPLv3 is making most important now. It does so to the detriment of the other three. The old GPL licenses say that if you use the code in a public way, you have to make the code you use available changes and all. That deals with software and only software. Stallman used to be so set on THAT mindset (software vs. hardware), that he was in favor of those groups that didn't want to make the source code of every ROM chip they made open to the world, on the grounds that certain parts of firmware are so tied to the hardware as to be indistinguishable. GPLV3 says, if you want to use code in a public way, you have to crack open your box so that people can play with it however they want, and then that potentially compromised box still has to be able to connect to your network if it connected in it's unmodified form. That very much deals with the hardware. Under the spirit of the GPL, one could take code and use what they could. They still had to have the technical capabilities to use that code, and understand the platform it was on. Under the new version, if you don't understand the code, then something must be wrong with the code. If the code is full of machine dependant features that cannot compile on another type of machine, then something must be wrong with the code. Oh, and these strange assumptions only apply if you are making money off of the machine that the code was written for. Otherwise no one will ever notice so they don't care. Free Software is about Freedom. GPLv3 is about religion. You are free as long as you do things our way. That is why I shy away from the GPL licenses. I like the LGPLv2, but GPLv3 is kind of scary. I want code that I make free to be free. :P I don't want to say, "It is free if you are a broke penniless college kid that plans to stay that way." LGPLv2 allows wide use of code, without heavy demands. If I by some miracle produce a chunk of code that propels another entity to the top of their industry, then I have achieved something Whether I get anything in return from them or not. If they are able to take what I have produced and make it useful, then more power too them. If they give back to the community in the form of code, cash, or even morale support, then that is them playing the game by our rules. It is good for us and will help them in the long run. Even if they don't give back code or cash or a pat on the back, if they simply say where the code came from, that will help the community. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry McBride [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:11 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? > Anyone aware of any plans for Gentoo/Portage moving to the > gpl3.0 license? I haven't heard anything, but that is a move I hope they never make. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Regis Decamps > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:03 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question > > > Florian Philipp wrote: > > Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 02:45 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I think that once my internet access becomes functional > (even then it > >> will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see > how well > >> the gmane page loads for me. :) I will use it to read the > messages, > >> and email to post. > >> > > > > > > How do they find out if you're using IE or anything else? > AFAIK it is > > possible to make Firefox identify as IE (or any other > browser for that > > matter), > > Yes, you can forge the User-Agent http header. > > But with javascript, only IE will respond positively to: > window.RunningIE4 or creating an ActiveX component. > That still does not resolve the issues of a really crappy bandwidth issue, and a firewall that blocks most sites. :P Gmane is a .org site, so I can get too it, just slowly. ^_^ I have tried to figure out how to find the gentoo-user specific pages in gmane, but the interface is not super-intuitive. I may give it another try today. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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RE: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
> -Original Message- > From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:48 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition > > > On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > > On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it safe to move my linux system by using: > > > #>cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part > > > and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? > > > > nope. > > > > cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the > > ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? > > No. > > cp -a is equivalent to cp -dpPR > > and from the man page: > > -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps > > What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, > /sys and > other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd > or tar or > cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: > > mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir > cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir > > This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied > > alan Is it possible to handle the tar process from inside a liveCD environment, and just tar the mount points (i.e. empty directories) for the virtual file systems instead of trying to tar the virtaul file systems themselves? Afterall, they are recreated at boot time, aren't they? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
> -Original Message- > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:19 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition > > > On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is it safe to move my linux system by using: > > #>cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part > > and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? > > nope. > > cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that > the ctime/mtime > making uninstalling things a pain? > > When I moved around on harddisks some years ago, I followed > some instructions > found on the suse-hp. And they used tar. ***WARNING*** I am probably missing something, so beware. I am sure people with more experience will fill in the details, so don't try this till everyone else has a chance to chime in. :P I don't know all the details, but from what I understand basically boot into a live disk type environment, tar everything in a way that reserves permissions and all the file info, and then untar it in the new root directory. If grub.conf will be in a new location, then make sure to make the right Changes in grub. If you have a separate /boot parition, then that should be ok, just make the right changes in grub.conf. That SHOULD work. ^^; Make sure not to actually delete anything until you know it works. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
> -Original Message- > From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:00 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid > > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > Second: Bug reports for real bugs. > > Bug reports need to be thorough. If they do not provide enough > > information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is > > going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug > squashers to do > > anything about it. > > Sometimes, as the reported, you miss some important things. Okay. > Then the wrangler (or whom else works onthr bug) simply > should ask for more information. > > But if your bugs are always marked as invalid, you loose any > motiviation for further contributions. Bug reports are also > contribution. I can't really argue that one. I would also admit that I personally tend to be a lot more patient in weedling information out of an end user. Comes from tech support training. Do remember though that a lot of techies are not people persons (I know that is not a great excuse, or even good grammar). The founders of the open source movement were notorious jerks. :P It is a matter of recorded fact. They Focused more on the software and let their friends handle the people. > > if the idea of creating a new profile would not work for you, > > then recreating your firefox directory, with "physical" copies > > of the symlinked files would do the trick as well. > > Not really. The symlinks are no problem for FF, it works perfectly > well. And I *need* them to store temporary stuff locally. > It's mozilla-launcher which artificially breaks if it > *thinks* something could be wrong. Personally, I don't realy know WHAT mozilla-launcher is I think. :P I have always just created shortcuts to firefox directly, and let it handle everything itself. > > Imagine if you just sunk three years into a project, and suddenly > > someone started attacking you because it didn't work perfectly on > > their system. > Well, I'm working on lots of OSS projects for many many > years. But I never ever felt being attacked by an bug report. It is not the bug report that is the attack. It is the angry declarations of incompetense. The insistance that because you do not agree, that something must be wrong with the developers. The fact that in just a handful of hours working with a complicated issue, you declared the community at large to be hostile and ignorant. That is just what I have seen from this situation. It is not the fact that you submit bugs, it is the way in which you do it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Ok, my two cents on the matter. I am still new enough to the community to be considered an outsider, so here is an outsider's perspective. I hope not to step on toes, but it will probably happen anyway. First: Cosmetic things, i.e. user interface issues, pretty pictures, and things that effect the overall look and feel. If they do not stop the program from functioning, they are not high priority. It may be agitating to look at, but it is not a bug. However, This does not prevent you from putting in feedback, or even working on patches to change the offending behavior. Just don't expect cosmetic issues to be high priority to anyone other than the person submitting the feedback. There honestly are things out there that are thoroughly broken that need to be repaired first. I am guessing however that in the case of emerge, if you understand python (or even know enough to pick through the code a bit) that you can probably fix the issue yourself, and submit the fix. :-) Second: Bug reports for real bugs. Bug reports need to be thorough. If they do not provide enough information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug squashers to do anything about it. It may seem to you like they are "not doing their job" by not researching it, then conceder this. When you submit a bug, it is YOUR bug, not theirs. You have the primary responsibility for making sure they know what you are talking about. In the case listed in this thread, when the second bug was submitted including a more thorough description, and the research that had been done, it was taken care of promptly. A bug report is a good thing, but if they can't reproduce it, and don't have enough information to know what the problem is, they can't fix it. Third, and maybe most important: Configuration Issues. Many developers try to make sure to cover as many bases as they can when it comes to developing their software. For many applications, the vast majority of users will have a fairly standard setup. While this is not always the case, you need to conceder that many open source and free software applications are written first and foremost for the needs of the author. While this may sound a little callous or selfish, remember one thing. Free And Open Source Software is developed by volonteers, who also have real world jobs and lives. They develop tools that make their lives easier, and they share. They do not all have thousands of dollars to spend on investigating every possible platform that their program may be expected to run on. Mounting your config files for firefox from a coda file system is far from standard in anyone's books. If you know how to add that functionality without breaking anything that is already there, then write the patch and submit it. If not, then submit a thurough bug report, or a general request in the appropriate forums or mainling lists. Let them know exactly what your problem is, and what you would like done. Be polite, and be patient. If they do not bite the first try, it is not a personal snub. Most of us have never run into problems with firefox. And honestly, if the idea of creating a new profile would not work for you, then recreating your firefox directory, with "physical" copies of the symlinked files would do the trick as well. I know that does not address the issue of running the Config files from a coda system, but it would get things working under normal circumstances. I have lurked long enough to see a number of posts complaining about the bug Tracking system. In most cases the people complaining were hateful and said very little that was useful. They generaly stuck to name calling and the like. This is not to say they all did, but most. :/ I am sure that eventually I will have to submit a bug, and I may find myself having to hold my tongue to apply what I have seen here, but I will try to be understanding about it. To be honest, this is probably not the forum to complain about bug reports. Complaining about bugs is probably not bad though. It might be a good source of feedback to see if other people are having the same problem, or at least to get a general idea of how to format and word your bug before you actually submit it. ^_^ Basic summary: There are a lot of tools at your disposal. Know them, use them, love them. :) If you have problems with one of those tools, by all means ask questions. :) The Free Software and Open Source communities are run primarily by volonteers. Remember that when you are deciding how to approach them. Imagine if you just sunk three years into a project, and suddenly someone started attacking you because it didn't work perfectly on their system. Remember, bug reports take time. Track your bug, update your bug, make sure to keep the bug propperly fed or it might die. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Install Using another System
> -Original Message- > From: Florian Philipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:53 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Install Using another System > > > Am Montag 04 Juni 2007 23:28 schrieb darren kirby: > > quoth the Randy Barlow: > > > One more question - I'd like to install Gentoo on a very old and > > > small system that doesn't have a CD-ROM, or even an IDE > cable that > > > can connect two drives. Can I put the harddrive from > that system on > > > my normal desktop and install as normal onto that drive? The old > > > system has a very different and old processor from my > normal Gentoo > > > system (it's a Cyrix MediaGX MMX Enhanced according to > /proc/cpuinfo > > > with a whopping 16 kB of cache!) Any problems doing > something like > > > this on a modern system that I haven't thought about? > > > > > > R > > > > Should be OK as long as the host system is an x86. I would use very > > conservative CFLAGS. Your CHOST will likely need to be > > "i386-pc-linux-gnu". > > > > There is a kernel config in "Processor family" that says > > "CyrixIII/Via-C3". Is that what you have? If not or if you are not > > sure then choose plain old "386". > > > > Grub should work alright, as best as I can figure, as long > as (as per > > the > > guide) you install it onto the HDDs MBR. > > > > Maybe something I am not thinking of. Just make sure that > when going > > through the guide that anything that requires CPU specific > choices you > > remember to select for your target, not the host. This may have a > > side-effect of not booting whilst in the host, only when > you move the > > HDD to the target machine. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Please note that Gentoo needs a i486 to work. You can still > optimize your code > for it, though. See http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#i386 > for details. There is also a flag in the same page as the Processor family for Generic x86 support. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Japanese Support
> -Original Message- > From: PaulNM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Japanese Support > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is there a howto for Japanese support in Gentoo? > > > > > > > How about > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Enabling_Japanese > ? > > PaulNM > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Thanks. I'll check that out when I get the chance though. May be a while. ^^;; Anyone know why the gentoo Wiki is on a .com site? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Help me reboot X
> -Original Message- > From: Kevin O'Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:17 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Help me reboot X > > Can somebody help me stop and restart X? I'm using kdm for login. > > -- > Kevin O'Gorman, PhD > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > Check out the kdm documentation. GDM has a few commands for handling that sort of thing, like gdm-stop, and gdm-restart. KDM might have might have similar. I am not sure. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Problem with yelp while doing --update world
> -Original Message- > From: Renat Golubchyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:33 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with yelp while doing > --update world > > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:38:07 -0400 John covici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hi. While doing an emerge --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse > > world I have run into a problem compiling yelp: > > > > Here is the output. > > > > Script started on Sun Jun 3 15:32:23 2007 > > > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > > > Calculating world dependencies > > [stripped a lot of unprintable junk] > > Please use "--nospinner" and "--color n" to avoid unprintable > junk in emerge's output. > > > Cheers, > Renat I must say though, that when you scroll through his message in an email client, the effect is kind of neet. :P At the right speed, you can see the spinner spinning. :P ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Japanese Support
Is there a howto for Japanese support in Gentoo?
RE: [gentoo-user] Shutdown -h now is not powering down system.
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Marz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:40 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Shutdown -h now is not powering > down system. > > > No. But, I will try it now. I'll let you know if it works in > a few minutes because I'm downloading the latests kernel > sources. On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 23:30 -0300, Davi wrote: > > shutdown -h now -P > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > If shutodwn -h now -P doesn't work, try shutdown -P -h now I know that is just a matter of symantics, but a lot of programs want the "options" all in one spot. ^^;; Not sure about this one. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Unionfs for 2.6.20
> -Original Message- > From: Ali Polatel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:46 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Unionfs for 2.6.20 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yazmış: > > I have seen many people mentioning UnionFS. > > What exactly is it, and what does it do? > > (:P Besides the statement that it is an FS.) > > quoting from wikipedia[1]: > UnionFS is a Linux filesystem service which implements > a union mount for Linux file systems. It allows files and > directories of separate file systems, known as branches, to > be transparently overlaid, forming a single coherent file system. > -- > ali polatel (hawking) > Keep America beautiful. Swallow your beer cans. So, at this point in time it is not something that I personally need to focus on. That is however usefull info. I will keep it in mind for when someone else asks the question later. What is not 100% useful to me, may be just what someone else needs. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Unionfs for 2.6.20
> -Original Message- > From: Norberto Bensa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:29 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unionfs for 2.6.20 > > > Ali Polatel wrote: > > You should use unionfs version 2.0 which is a part of -mm > tree. You > > can either get mm-sources or manually patch your kernel. > Have a look > > at http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html for more info.. > > But there's no unionfs-utils unless you're using sabayon overlay... > > Regards, > Norberto > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I have seen many people mentioning UnionFS. What exactly is it, and what does it do? (:P Besides the statement that it is an FS.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Test!
> -Original Message- > From: Ryan Sims [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:40 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Test! > > > On 5/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: dark85x [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:06 AM > > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > > > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Test! > > > > > > > > > On Monday 28 May 2007 19:04:16 Tobias Heinlein wrote: > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > eMails rock! > > > > > > irc > email > > > -- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > Perhaps an IRC bot that would send and receive emails? :P > > Especially if it would alternate between "test" and > "unsubscribe" as the message bodies. That'd be great. > > -- > Ryan W Sims Hehehe. That would be pretty bad. Saddly though, that is probably what it would degenerate into in the wrong hands. ^^;; Bots need some sort of authentication and filtering to be Safe for anything that involves public broadcast outside of the IRC environment. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Ebuilds for the following packages are either all masked or don't exist
> -Original Message- > From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:37 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Ebuilds for the following packages are > either all masked or don't exist > > > Calculating world dependencies - > !!! Ebuilds for the following packages are either all masked or don't > exist: > net-analyzer/ntop net-www/gentoo-webroot-default > media-fonts/font-bitstream-75dpi net-analyzer/bwm-ng > virtual/x11 media-video/came media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-100dpi > media-fonts/font-bitstream-100dpi > > When I see this message, is the short answer, "emerge > --unmerge" each of them because they're just dead packages? If those are already on your system and functioning, you may want to list them in package.provided . That will tell the system to use the package that is already on the system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: An XML Question
> -Original Message- > From: Galevsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:21 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: An XML Question > > > Hi, > > you can learn the xml concepts at http://www.w3schools.com/. > Then, depending on the language you choose, there is lots of > libs to deal with xml in many languages. Though you always > have two different ways of parsing your xml file: a SAX > parser approach, that runs on an element-by-element process, > retrieving each element with no view on the next ones. The > second way is a DOM object builder, parsing the xml file as a > whole, then giving you back the whole tree as an object that > can browse later with a set of methods. The later is faster > to get all the information of the xml, but takes more memory > since the whole xml tree must be built first. You have to > look for the libs of your language now for further details, > but the choice between the two is crucial. I remind a > Xmlchecker java tool I wrote to run no-diff tests I > implemented first with jdom, and it was good. until I had > to deal with 300 Mb files ... and rewrite the whole browsing > engine with SAX. > > Gal' > > > 2007/5/29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Are there any really good XML tutorials on the web, or > perhaps a book > > that is actually useful? Thanks for the info! I think I may look into the DOM approach. ^_^ Does(do?) libxml or libxml2 have a DOM interface? I know that libxml2 is already on the system (part of the base install), so it may be a good place to look. :) Does anyone know of a good tutorial site with a .org or .edu web address? The firewall I am stuck behind at the moment has some funky restrictions. :P ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: An XML Question
Are there any really good XML tutorials on the web, or perhaps a book that is actually useful? Also, which libs do people preffer for dealing with XML? I am contemplating messing arround with XML for data files for a project I want to mess with. The project would involve loading objects into a dynamic list. I do not think I want to deal with the XML file in real time, as I am not sure how fast that would be, but rather load the data into memory, then save it to the XML file at save points. :-) My views may change as time goes by, but for now I am learning, and starting to do research. ^_^ Kenneth M. Burling Jr
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Test!
> -Original Message- > From: dark85x [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:06 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Test! > > > On Monday 28 May 2007 19:04:16 Tobias Heinlein wrote: > > Hi there! > > > > eMails rock! > > irc > email > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Perhaps an IRC bot that would send and receive emails? :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] no audio
> -Original Message- > From: maxim wexler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:09 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] no audio > > > Hi group, > > For a 2.6.19.5 kernel on a PIII w/SBLive soundcard > using snd-emu10k1 module. I emerged alsa-utils and > mp3blaster. > > Ran #rc-update add alsasound boot > > Ran alsaconf and let it write /etc/modules.d/alsa. It > concluded with a tell-tale pop from the speakers and > the message that my sound card was set up and ready to > use. > > But mp3blaster won't play. Msg is "Failed to open > sound device" > > Noticed under /dev/sound there was no 'audio' or 'dsp' > nodes so I made them w/ mknod. > > No good, same msg. > > Set ENABLE_OSS_EMUL="no" in /etc/conf.d/alsasound and > rebooted. > > Ditto. > > Is this a configuration problem or a soundcard problem > or is mp3blaster to blame? > > FWIW modules loaded, alsamixer unmuted. > > Maxim > > > > __ > __Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts > the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list With the newer kernels, you don't need to do anything outside the kernel for Alsa sound most of the time. Make sure to configure the kernel so that it has basic sound support enabled (I would compile this into the kernel, not as a module, but that is me). Next, on the menu where you choose options, leave OSS unmarked, and select Alsa support. On the submenu for Alsa support, select everything that applies (Do select OSS Emulation, as some packages don't ASK which driver you are using, they just assume the one they want is there). If you select extra things here, it won't matter much. The extra items are just Midi drivers, and if you don't have Midi hardware, they aren't an issue either way. ^_^ In other words, on this screen it is safe to select pretty much everything. On the screen for PCI drivers, select the option(s) appropriate for your hardware. 'lspci' should show which sound card your system has. If you are using devfs, then the device nodes should be created automatically, if not then I am not sure how to create them manually in an old style system. It is possible, that you may need to manually chmod a+wr the device node in order use them (This is assuming they are there, which you said they were not I think). Also dsp, should be /dev/dsp in many cases. Many of the items you want will be under /dev directly instead of /dev/sound These may be links to the /dev/sound items, but I am not sure. ^^;; More experienced people can probably tell you that. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] portage lags behind?
> -Original Message- > From: b.n. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:28 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage lags behind? > > > maxim wexler ha scritto: > > How do I tell portage to go for the latest stable pkg > > without having to download the tarball and compiling/installing it > > manually? > > You probably want ebuilds for newer packages that are still > not in Portage. You can 1)file a request bug or 2)write an > ebuild yourself for the community. > > Good luck, > > m. Also, there are sometimes packages that the last stable version was just that old. There are also ocasionally packages that require multiple versions to be installed in order to achieve what we want. How many versions of glib are there? Also, from what I have seen, portage often times has the most recent builds of the packages that change most. :P That is one of my main reasons for moving towards Gentoo to start with. ^_^ I like current packages. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Alfredsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:55 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the > Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo. > > > On Friday 25 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > For instance, > > the reason that Blender is masked, is because it does > messed up things > > to the save files in the AMD64 version. > > http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-244/64-bits-supp ort/ > ^Not anymore. Has this migrated it's way to the portage tree yet? I am not in a position to check. ^^;; -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Changing libaries
> -Original Message- > From: Florian Philipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:20 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Changing libaries > > > Hi! > > I've already asked this question on gentoo-user-de but I've > got no - let's > say - convenient answer. Therefore I'll try my luck here: > > Another user had some trouble because Kaffeine couldn't play > .ogg-files. In the end we found out that he activated the > necessary USE-flag and > re-emerged xine-lib but Kaffeine kept using the old lib which > was still in > RAM, I presume. > > Naturally, the problem was solved when he rebooted but I > wonder how I could > achieve the effect without rebooting. > > Thanks in advance > > Florian Philipp Try running as root, ~# ldconfig -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
> -Original Message- > From: Denis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:32 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the > Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo. > > > > > What makes the difference between a 64 bit kernel, and a 32 bit > > > kernel? > > > > Use of 64-bit machine code [*], particularly instructions that make > > use of 64-bit native[**] registers[***]. > > Is there any slowdown for the 64-bit set-up when it has to > run 32-bit software? > > Aside from not having the 64-bit Flash for Firefox, are most > popular packages in Gentoo portage 64-bit compatible? > -- A lot of the AMD64 packages are masked as unstable. There are a lot of stable packages, but there are enough unstable ones to be a pain. When things are masked, there is a reason. For instance, the reason that Blender is masked, is because it does messed up things to the save files in the AMD64 version. With any luck, by the time I build my next real machine, many of the issues will be resolved. :P AMD64 is a popular architecture, so it has a lot of people stomping bugs. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:28 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the > Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo. > > > On Friday 25 May 2007 04:09:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, unless I need the upper memory support, it may be > better for me to > > just not click the flag for 64bit memory support, and move on? > > IIRC, that's for PAE, which you definitely shouldn't use > unless you have 4G of > RAM or greater. > > Ticking that box doesn't make your kernel 64-bit though, anymore than > supporting 64-bit file offsets makes a kernel 64-bit. > What makes the difference between a 64 bit kernel, and a 32 bit kernel? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:07 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the > Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo. > > > On Friday 25 May 2007 02:12:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > My question is this, If I enabel 64 bit support in the kernel, > > You mean run a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit support. There's no > such thing as a > 32-bit kernel with 64-bit support (at least not in x86-land). > > > is that > > likely to cause any issues with running the 32bit compiled software? > > No, it won't, but it's a little bit tricky to set up. You'll > want to use an > i686 stage3, and set ARCH to x86 or ~x86. Then, you'll have > to install a > cross compiler (and binutils, IIRC) and cross-compile your kernel. > > You could always just use a 32-bit kernel. Do you have 3G or > more RAM or need > to run 64-bit programs? So, unless I need the upper memory support, it may be better for me to just not click the flag for 64bit memory support, and move on? This is on a laptop, and it is not a critical system (i.e. it is not going to require that I get those last few dredges of CPU time out of the system). The main things it will be used for until I build my next system is dataprocessing, and Pencil and Paper gaming. I plan to install a couple graphics related apps to mess with and practice with as well. :P I'm not exactly the average user, but I will be using it for average user level work, so it doesn't HAVE to have 64 bit support. :P From what I understand, the processor handles 32 bit emulation just fine. (It was running Windows XP fine until a runin with the emphamous Gentoo GTK installer.) :P I'm not blaming the software though. The Walkthrough, and the readme both warn that it is experimental. ^^;; Then there is the fact that I had just butted a 700MB CD, that loaded a compressed file system into 512MB of ram, and told it to load a GUI, and a GUI driven install system. *shrugs* Live and learn, and kick yourself when you do something stupid. :P ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] which -march flag to pick for Intel Core 2 Duo in make.conf?
> -Original Message- > From: Randy Barlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:23 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] which -march flag to pick for > Intel Core 2 Duo in make.conf? > > If you are using a lot of memory in your computations, then > the 64-bit environment will be much friendlier to you :) > Also, if I understand correctly, you will get higher > precision on floating point calculations (someone correct me > if I am wrong here!) I also believe that the 64 bit > processors are able to perform more instructions per second > on average when executing 64 bit code vs. 32 bit code if I am > not mistaken... I am not sure, but that makes sense. If nothing else, things executed directly usually run more smoothly than those who are run through emulation. 64bit code on 64bit processor good... ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
Due to issues with some of the software I am wanting to run, when it is run under the AMD64 bit version of Gentoo (one of which is Blender, which I hope will be properly stable soon), I am planning to run x86 Gentoo (With the i686 stage3) on an AMD64 processor. My question is this, If I enabel 64 bit support in the kernel, is that likely to cause any issues with running the 32bit compiled software? V/r RP3(SW) Burling Religious Ministries x4502
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:58 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, Dale wrote: > > Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > > > On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three > > >> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar > before moving > > >> on from there. After that, I can just make sure to > watch the FAQ's > > >> and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that I do it > > >> right. ^_^ > > > > > > why? there is no need to do that. emerge -u --newuse > world would be > > > much more 'interessting'. Btw, an deep world update > ruined most of > > > my weekend... don't do --deep if you don't have to. > > > > Funny, I sync every few days or so and always do a emerge > -uvD world. > > I have less problems with that than just doing a -u world. > > > > Maybe it is when you do things consistantly that keeps things going > >well > > and are you doing revdep-rebuilt afterwards? > > Last time gwenviev and kipi stuff broke, krita broke and some > other stuff. > Krita did not emerge because of some changed symbols, so I > had to reemerge > koffice-libs - something revdep-rebuild did not catch. It > catches changed > versions, but if a lib is recompiled because of an -r update > and there are > symbol problems, revdep will not see them... > I had to rebuild kdepim and a lot of other stuff, just > because of that -D > update. It sucks to have to revdep-rebuild a douzend > packages. It suckes even > more when half of them fail because of some symbols and you > have to reemerge > three or four additional libs, so you can't just let it run > unattended... > > In my years of gentoo, -D always caused problems and was > almost never worth > the trouble. > -- I am glad I am asking questions now, and not after doing something dumb. :P I could SOOO mess things up on a new box. ^_^ ;-) I think the keyword of the day will be planning! ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Dan Farrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:27 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > Not to mention you will spend much longer waiting for > everything to download then you'd have to wait for everything > do download on demand. It would probably be more desirable > for you to keep a network-shared distfiles than mirror the > servers. Then there's the age-old 'static hosts file' > problem - just like the giant host file describing everyone > took longer to transfer than to become outdated back in the > glorious days of UNIX, it will also probably take longer to > dowload all distfiles ever than it will for those distfiles > to become outdated. In conclusion, I think this is a rather > silly idea. > -- You are right I think. If nothing else the handbook says that Gentoo etiquite says not to rsync your portage tree more than once a day. For the average distro, once a week or even once a month is more than sufficient to keep up with the packages in the main branch. I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before moving on from there. After that, I can just make sure to watch the FAQ's and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that I do it right. ^_^ Hopefully by the time I build the machine, either A) I can get a decent nVidia card, or B) the ATI drivers will be released. ^_^ I preffer nVidia, but if the ATI drivers go open source (crossing my fingers but not holding my breath), then that will be a good option as well. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A Theoretical install Question
> > > > That won't work, portage will complain that there is a problem with > > our world file and bail out. > > Ah, thanks. I didn't realize emerge was unhappy with > packages in world which are not already installed. > > > Put the packages you want in a file like world then do > > "emerge -ef $(cat myworld)". > > -- > >Q< Another option might be to just go ahead and buckle down and 'emerge -au world', then start the process. ^^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Dan Farrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:27 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:13:11 +0900 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The next computer I build will likely be a dual core (an X2 most > > likely), so that may be an excellent option. :P > > > I don't think you'll need much processing power to > parallel-fetch. I do it on every computer with a fast enough > internet connection. The real limit is disk and network for > downloading, not at all processor. > -- I think RAM is an issue also. I have been messing with a laptop with 512MB of ram, and it is nowhere near as quick as what I am used too. ^^;; -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:02 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date portage > > tree, and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;; > > > > Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the mirrors? :P > > yes ;) > > but why not set 'parallel-fetch' in your make.conf? That way > portage should > download packages, while compiling? > -- The next computer I build will likely be a dual core (an X2 most likely), so that may be an excellent option. :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:34 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ok, Here goes... > > > > > > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a > full copy of > > the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles > > directory of the average server? > > dunno, but huge. > you will waste a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. The mirror > might hate you for > it. You will have lots and lots of packages like packageX.1.1, > packageX.1.1.0, packageX.1.1.1 > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I think that a better option may be to decide which software I want, and use emerge -ef on each of the big packages to get just what I need. Maybe setting up a stage three install, with just the kernel, boot loader, and portage and using 'emerge -ef world' first might have the desired effect as far as getting the base system first. :-) That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date portage tree, and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;; Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the mirrors? :P --- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -f
> -Original Message- > From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:26 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -f > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If I use emerge -f on a package, will it fetch that packaged > > dependencies as well? > > > > For instance, if I use 'emerge -f xorg-x11', will it check > the system, > > > > --- > > Ken > > > > If you want to make sure you get everything, I would do a > emerge -ef . That should get everything needed for > sure. The "e" stands for emptytree but I always think of it > as everything. If used with the option world it gets > everything needed to recompile the complete system. Example: > emerge -ef world > > Hope that helps. > > Dale So, does the emptytree (-e) option basically tell it that you don't have ANYTHING instlled where it should be? :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Naga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:02 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB > if you want _all_ > distfiles. > -- > Naga Hehehe. 50GB sounds more likely. ^_^ That is quite a bit. ^-^ It would probably take a few days for me to download everything, and then I would need to run a program again to make sure I got everything. :P A bit of research might be in order to decide just which files are actually needed/wanted for my circumstances at the time, then to download those. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge -f
If I use emerge -f on a package, will it fetch that packaged dependencies as well? For instance, if I use 'emerge -f xorg-x11', will it check the system, then download everything that it needs to install that package? If I were to use 'emerge -uf world', would there be a huge number of packaged downloaded? ^_^ --- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> -Original Message- > From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:30 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question > > > On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:06 +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ok, Here goes... > > > > > > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a > full copy of > > the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles > > directory of the average server? > > all of the distfiles? about 7 or 8 Gb I seem to recall > reading on the handbook... > > > Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot > > using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the > hard drive, > > and direct portage there for the distribution files? > > yes, of course, but what for? If you just want an "offline" > installation, you can use -f to emerge which will download > (fetch) only. > > or if you want to download on one machine, and transfer the > files via disk or something to another machine, use -fp to > get the list of files to download. > > of course, neither of these methods cover the fact that you > might not know exactly everything you want to install... > > HTH, > -- > Iain Buchanan That is why I was wondering about the size of the download. If it is less than 10GB, then that may be one hell of a download, but it is still within the realm of reason. I imagine that by the the time I am able to undertake such a task, the size of the repository will likely have grown. :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
Ok, Here goes... How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy of the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles directory of the average server? Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the hard drive, and direct portage there for the distribution files? I know this would basically be equivelent to making a local mirror of the distrservers, and I would have to make sure that my portage tree matches up to the files actually on the hard drive. ^^ What other concerns would I need to look at at this point. :P
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]
> Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > The circular dependencies between Xserver and drivers do not come > > from upstream. They're artificial. If we just want an simple-to-use > > package which gets the Xserver *and* drivers based on useflags > > (which IMHO is an good idea), it's quite trivial to do this by an > > virtual/meta package. I've did it and it works good. You can get > > it from my overlay via CVS: > > That is exactly what the xorg-x11 metapackage is designed to do. If you don't add in a million USE flags that don't want to play nice, then it should all compile (in theory). I say in theory, because there are always things that can possibly get in the way. Bugs happen on occasion. I am learning how to properly use USE flags myself. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [solved] Re: [gentoo-user] Xinerama on 945GM: "Set VBE mode failed"
> -Original Message- > From: Gian Domeni Calgeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:41 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [solved] Re: [gentoo-user] Xinerama on 945GM: "Set > VBE mode failed" > Thanks for the suggestion, but if I remove them it says you > have to have a > MonitorLayout option. The solution was to plug the monitor > only right before > X starts. > > Gian If you mean to physically plug the device in when you are starting X, that is not a satisfactory option by any means. :/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ?
> -Original Message- > From: Walter Dnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:33 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ? > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:42:22AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > If a person does not wish to stay up to date, if they > simply wish to > > have a stable system, is getting busy really a reason to change > > operating systems? > > If you're connecting to the internet, you *MUST* keep your > system up to date, to maintain security. Yes even linux > systems have some security problems. A lot fewer than > Windows, but it does happen. Problems with the actual kernel > are only a small part of the problem. Flash, Adobe PDF, Java, > etc, have had a few problems which can occur on all platforms > they run on. > > What's so time-consuming about once-a-week... > * emerge --sync > * emerge --ask --deep --update --world > > The update world can be started just before going to bed > . Update kernel once every couple of months or when a > GLSA requires it. > > -- > Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In linux /sbin/init is > Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft > security? A. I think it would be a good idea. > -- For the average user (I know, the average user is not using Gentoo), emerge -- world is no trivial task. For the average user, Security means padlocks and car alarms. The average user is using their machine for movies and video games, and doesn't have the time to fight with bugs if emerging world doesn't go quite right. :P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ?
> -Original Message- > From: Philip Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:26 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ? > Once you get used to it, you'll probably like Gentoo: most > people do. Those who leave usually are very busy in their > lives & simply don't have the time to keep it upto-date. > If a person does not wish to stay up to date, if they simply wish to have a stable system, is getting busy really a reason to change operating systems? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]
> -Original Message- > From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:02 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular > dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs] > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > ATI has nice graphics maybe (I still prefer nVidia), but > they are not > > friendly to the Open Source World. > > AMD announced last week that they will be releasing ATI > drivers as OSS: > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/13/1659245 >previous to the former announcement: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/05/10/1424224.shtml Cool. Even though ATI wasn't very Open Source friendly, AMD always has been. :P It is good when our allies buy out hostile entities. ^_^ I still prefer nVidia. :P Someone just needs to nudge them in the right direction. Maybe this will do the trick. ^_^ At the very least, we will hopefully have drivers for our ATI cards soon. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]
> -Original Message- > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:22 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular > dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs] > > > On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > > > > It *P*DEPENDs on them. That's an (strange) kind of special > dependency > > which is pulled in *after* install, instead of *before*. > But still it > > is an dependency. > > > > So, Xserver dependens on driver(s), drivers depend on Xserver. > > Circular dependency. > > > > q.e.d. > > > > aren't you ashamed of yourself, when you post stupid stuff like that? I haven't done an install of Xorg on Gentoo yet (Right now I am running off of a networkless install, so that doesn't really count). However, when I installed it on an LFS build, on the same machine, I followed their walkthrough, and it installed fine. Mesa would not install without installing Xorg first, and Xorg would not install without knowing where the mesa source code is. Other drivers were left up to the individual to handle, but that was enough for everything to load. So yes, that is a circular dependency, even without Gentoo involved. Not everything is simple, and not everything is cut and dry. Sometimes the problem is not directly the package manager's fault. Give them time to work out all the glitches. 7.2 is fairly new. The chip used by most AMD64 machines, and a handful of Intel machines is not supported by the Vendor with 7.2. All the support at this time has to come from the Community, until updated drivers are released. It was considered a greater miracle when we got the ones we have now. ATI has nice graphics maybe (I still prefer nVidia), but they are not friendly to the Open Source World. They throw us a bone every now and then, and people rejoice because they can use the same hardware more easily between Windows and Linux. End result is that when software upgrades, you either have to stay behind, or hope that the devs find a work around for you (unless you can do the work around yourself). I haven't heard too many complaints out of nVidia users though. :P My lap top is a laptop. It has to use whatever it already has in it. When I build my next desktop however, it will use nVidia. I guess it would probably be a good point to make that issues installing X Almost always come down to video card support. --- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] My only input on the subject of circular dependencies
> -Original Message- > From: Dan Farrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:52 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] My only input on the subject of > circular dependencies > > > On Thu, 17 May 2007 09:18:40 +0900 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My only input at this time (since I am a total newb when it > > comes to Gentoo), is this. > ... > > --- > > Ken > I think that's excellent advice Ken. I would add somewhere > between USEing sparingly and reading errors (windows people > in particular never seem to do this) that emerging -av is a > great idea, since it lists the use flags you're likely to > want to look over before going. Many a gray hair can be > avoided by a little extra work before sending the emerge through. > > Don't give up newbies! It comes eventually, I swear. > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Would -p work well with the -av (-avp) ? I have not looked over the -a and -v just yet, but I know that -p will make sure it doesn't actually change anything on the first attempt. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Can't start apache [solved]
> -Original Message- > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:21 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Can't start apache [solved] > > > On Thursday 17 May 2007, Johannes Skov Frandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Can't start apache [solved]': > > Well not entirley happy it turns out as I can't get apache > to handle > > php. > > > > I added '-D PHP5' to APACHE2_OPTS in /etc/conf.d/apache2 > > > > but when I restart apache i get this error: > > > > # /etc/init.d/apache2 restart > > * Apache2 has detected a syntax error in your configuration files: > > apache2: Syntax error on line 495 of > /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Syntax > > error on li ne 4 of /etc/apache2/modules.d/70_mod_php5.conf: API > > module structure `php5_modu > > le' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps > > this is not > > an Apache module DSO? > > Did you install php before or after apache? It probably needs to be > recompiled against your current version. I'm stuck with a > mod_ruby that > gives the same error and won't recompile right now. Apache uses a configuration file. Within that configuration file you can assign application types and script handlers. That is the place to handle the problem. You do not have to install an Apache specific module. The Apache modules make things run much more quickly, by partially implementing the language within the server, however it is still possible to use without the specific modules. Simply make sure the CGI module is loaded. If you have perl scripts that run properly, then odds are you have everything you need installed to make PHP run properly as long as you set the right options in the config file. This is of course assuming you have PHP installed. Check out the FAQ on the PHP web site, or the Apache web site. Both sites have information on getting PHP running. :) Package managers are great, but some things can be handled in a text editor. ^_^ Kenneth M. Burling Jr -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] My only input on the subject of circular dependencies
My only input at this time (since I am a total newb when it comes to Gentoo), is this. I had an issue with circular dependencies, but it was because I did not understand the intricacies of use flags at the time. Now that I understand better, the only problem I seem to run into is trying to get my video drivers to work. However, at the moment, I am not in a high bandwidth location, so I must settle for using the generic "networkless install" until I get back to my landline. :P Just remember, use USE sparingly. Compile what you need, not everything under the sun. Don't insist on trying to get alsa and OSS to work side by side (Alsa has OSS emulation installed so you don't have too), and if you want to use Gnome and KDE on the same system, just plan out your install so that you set the right flags for the right packages. Often times the error when it fails to build, will tell you what to fix. You just have to get used to reading the messages. :) --- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
Strictly http and https, and only through Internet Explorer. I'll give the gmane.org site a try when the network comes online. ^_^ If I can get enough of a connection to bring the pages up, then it may be acceptable for reading purposes. If that is the case, then I can use email to post. I will try to keep my inbox clean until then. ^_^ :) > -Original Message- > From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:27 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question > > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > altough I missed the start of the thread ... > > > > > My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access > > underway, and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship > I am on. > > I have to deal with highly restrictive network policies. > Email is the > > only viable option, I am just not sure if my account can > handle a full > > mailing list without digests. However, the same network also makes > > the mime digests almost impossible. > > Are you able to do HTTP connects or UUCP callouts ? > > > cu > -- > - > Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ > - > Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: > http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce > Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: > http://patches.metux.de/ > - > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Managing my kernel
> -Original Message- > From: Aleksandar L. Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:16 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Managing my kernel > > > On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:16:04 +0100 > Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 May 2007 00:37:57 +0200, Aleksandar L. Dimitrov wrote: > > > > > Gentoo is actually all about keeping all of the stuff as > minimal as > > > possible ;) > > > > Gentoo is all about doing what you want, not what other > people think > > you should do. It doesn't matter whether you want all modules, all > > in-kernel, every module built or a compromise, it's up to you. > > > > > Well, OK, I should probably add a 'for me' next time. > > Still, the guy asked about opinions - and my opinion I gave. Nothing > more: In my opinion keeping stuff simple and slim on the > kernel side means reliability and performance. This is an > opinion formed by the (admittedly limited) experience I got so far. > > Regards, Aleks > -- My personal preference, when it is it feasable, is to compile just the modules the features that I actually have installed at the time, and compile as much of it into the kernel as will function properly. That way I don't have to worry about modprobing anything, and with the newer kernels, most things that are compiled directly into the kernel run pretty much automatically. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
I think that once my internet access becomes functional (even then it will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see how well the gmane page loads for me. :) I will use it to read the messages, and email to post. > -Original Message- > From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:07 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question > > > On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:37 +, James wrote: > > cv63.navy.mil> writes: > > > > > Is there a way to > > > select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? > > > > > > There is a very nice, browser based interface to this list: > > > > www.gmane.org > > > > you have to registers, > > not if you just want to read the list :) > > -- > Iain Buchanan > > The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns > something that will always be useful and which never will > grow dim or doubtful. > -- Mark Twain > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
Thank you for all the input. I will give the gmane page a try when I am able. Although that is not an optimal option, it may still be better than just unsubscribing. Thank you very much to all those who answered my questions. :) -- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Q< > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:49 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question > > > James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [about gmane.org] > > If you are just reading, you can (last time I looked) just read net > > news > > You can also post through their nntp server, as I am now. > You have to be subscribed to the ml (I turn e-mail delivery > off). The first time you post, gmane e-mails you a > confirmation message, and you must reply to it. > > This doesn't give the flat digest the OP wants, but it might > be enough to only see the headers in the news client and > download only what's wanted. > > -- > >Q< My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access underway, and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship I am on. I have to deal with highly restrictive network policies. Email is the only viable option, I am just not sure if my account can handle a full mailing list without digests. However, the same network also makes the mime digests almost impossible. How do I disable mail delivery? No matter what commands I throw at the help server, it just sends me back a list of the -subscribe@ and -unsubscribe@ email addresses. :( I am probably missing something obvious. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A List Question
Is there a way to select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? The regular list traffic produces way too many messages, but I cannot read the digest version on my mail system because it sends it as a bunch of .eml attachments, and the mail system strips them out (It is at the server side, so I can't influence the behavior). On other lists I am on, they have a choice between mime digests and plain text digests. Is there someone who we can make suggestions too about the list? Kenneth M. Burling Jr
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: lots of broken/missing dependencies when starting w/ stage1
If you have an active internet environment, use the knopix disk to download an iso for one of the live CD's, such as the actual liveCD or the minimal CD, and then burn to disk, and get the stage3 tarball. Or, if you are on a different machine now, use the machine you are on now to get the ISO if you are able. If you have enough of an internet connection to use emerge, then odds are you can download files. -Original Message- From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:45 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: lots of broken/missing dependencies when starting w/ stage1 On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:14:40 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > If the test is optional then FEATURES="-test" should skip it. > > Ah, I though is was enough, not adding "test" to FEATURES. (in other > words: it has to be enabled explicitly) It should but you haven't posted your emerge --info. In this case, the test must be explicitly enabled in the ebuild, which gives you two choices: edit the ebuild or use a more up to date installation environment. -- Neil Bothwick PC DOS Error #01: Windows loading, come back tomorrow -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: lots of broken/missing dependencies when starting w/ stage1
If the tests are failing, then perhaps they are needed even more. Also, if you are building from a stage1, you are not dealing with non-dev builds at all. ^^;; -Original Message- From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:27 PM To: gentoo-user Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: lots of broken/missing dependencies when starting w/ stage1 * Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yet another error: > > While building coreutils, it fails when making tests/sort: > > Can't locate auto/POSIX/assert.al > > There's no assert.al nor an assert.pl file on my disk. > Obviously the tests fail. Is there any way to skip them (without touching the ebuild file) ? IMHO, on normal installations (non-dev), they shouldn't be needed at all. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Getting Started
Do you have any advice for making sure that the Xorg install is successful? Seems to always die during the compile process for the ati driver. ^^;; -Original Message- From: Vladimir Rusinov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 4:21 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Getting Started On 5/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, what is the difference between the Gentoo LiveCD and the LiveDVD? What are the advantages of the DVD? I am considering downloading it if there is adequate benefit. AFAIK LiveDVD Just contains more distfiles and packages. My suggestion is not use networkless install. Keep in sync. -- Vladimir Rusinov GreenMice Solutions: IT-решения на базе Linux http://greenmice.info/
[gentoo-user] Getting Started
I am new to Gentoo, and working on getting things up and going. I am running an HP Pavilion with an Athlon 64 processor. I'll build a desktop eventually when I have the time, but for now this is it. I am attempting to install the x86 version of Gentoo from the i686 stage3 tarball, and so far have had no luck getting the ATI video drivers to compile. (My reason for this is that I wish to be able to run the current version of blender, which seems to have issues under AMD64 at this time.) However, if I do a networkless install, it works fine, but there are strange issues with upgrading. Portage has no love for a synthesized system. :P Anyway, I will probably post actual error messages in the near future if I can't figure it out myself. In the mean time, I'm wondering how many people on the list are military or retired military living in the pacific AOR (especially Kanto). If you want you can respond directly on this one. ^_^ I'm not asking to fill the list with the info! Hehe. Also, what is the difference between the Gentoo LiveCD and the LiveDVD? What are the advantages of the DVD? I am considering downloading it if there is adequate benefit. --- Ken. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Problems recieving digest
What format is the digest usually sent in? I got an email that seems to be a bunch of attatchements that had been stripped from the message. Is there a way to set my settings so that I get a text only digest? Most lists I am on, that is the default, so I was surprised. Please respond to this one directly (or at least CC me), as I seem to be having issues receiving messages propperly at the moment. -- Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
