Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
OT If you want the server browser in the main menu, add -serverbrowser to Left 4 Dead's launch options. -Richard Eid On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Munra wrote: > That's what I am talking about not a traditional server browser. A server > browser in the lobby that just listed community servers and then if you > really wanted it private then you could input the search key as the > password > (or similar) to that private server Then allow the server to handle the url > for custom content. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jonah Hirsch > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:52 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > sv_downloadurl ) > > If the leader could choose a server from a browser, that would be a nice > integration. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Brent Veal > wrote: > > > Using a server browser primarily really wouldnt work that well. The game > > could really use some kind of lobby browser though. > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server > browser" > > > > > > Read the whole thing next time. > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold < > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > 1nsane wrote > > > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > > > > been out for a while. > > > > > > > > openserverbrowser > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au< > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > > > > > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, > > the > > > > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want > > of > > > a > > > > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered > > > message > > > > the war was lost." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > > > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > > > > > > > > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing > OK > > > > > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > > > > > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more > > > > immediate > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > > been > > > > out > > > > > for a while. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=mu...@anbservers.net>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the > > > > lobby. > > > > >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then > > allow > > > > the > > > > >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > > >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > > > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware > .com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware%0a.com> > > > > > > > >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > > > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware > .com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware%0a.com> > > >] > > > On Behalf Of msleeper > > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > > > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d downloa
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
That's what I am talking about not a traditional server browser. A server browser in the lobby that just listed community servers and then if you really wanted it private then you could input the search key as the password (or similar) to that private server Then allow the server to handle the url for custom content. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jonah Hirsch Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:52 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl ) If the leader could choose a server from a browser, that would be a nice integration. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Brent Veal wrote: > Using a server browser primarily really wouldnt work that well. The game > could really use some kind of lobby browser though. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" > > > > Read the whole thing next time. > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > >wrote: > > > > > 1nsane wrote > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > > > been out for a while. > > > > > > openserverbrowser > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > > > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, > the > > > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want > of > > a > > > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered > > message > > > the war was lost." > > > > > > > > > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > > > > > > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK > > > > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > > > > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more > > > immediate > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > been > > > out > > > > for a while. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=mu...@anbservers.net>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the > > > lobby. > > > >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then > allow > > > the > > > >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware .com > > > > > >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware .com > >] > > On Behalf Of msleeper > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > > > >> sv_downloadurl ) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > > > >>> > > > >> download" > > > >> > > > >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Steven Hartland wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens > when:- > > > >>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the > source > > > >>>> expires or gets shutdown? > > > >>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the peopl
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
If the browser would be official, it would be included in the main menu and would not require to activate the console. It would have all the server in the correct browser tab and it would not ask you a password when you want to join a server. It would also possible to filter for L4D games in the Steam gamebrowser itself. This would be an official server browser. > How is a console command "not officially accessible" > > Perhaps you meant "not user-friendly". Left4Dead includes a > fully-functional and "official" server browser which is no restricted in > any way. As far as I know it has been there since day dot. Perhaps next > time you say VALVe has done a shit job you should think about what it is > you are writing about. > > Back on topic however, something such as sv_downloadurl should be > included and work as it does in other source games. From what I can see > most custom VPK's are between 10-30mb which isn't out of the ordinary > for some user-made maps for other games. The problem is deciding at what > point the user should download this. I agree with what an earlier poster > suggested and that is to automatically start the download when the user > joins a lobby and display the progress of that user's download (ala > Starcraft's Battle.net). > > ___ > > Shane Arnold - clontar...@iinet.net.au > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered > message the war was lost." > > > > 1nsane wrote: >> " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" >> >> Read the whole thing next time. >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold >> wrote: >> >> >>> 1nsane wrote >>> >>> > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has >>> been out for a while. >>> >>> openserverbrowser >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au >>> >>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, >>> the >>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of >>> a >>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered >>> message >>> the war was lost." >>> >>> >>> >>> 1nsane wrote: >>> >>>> Wow wow...slow down buddy. >>>> >>>> Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK >>>> without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a >>>> nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more >>>> >>> immediate >>> >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been >>>> >>> out >>> >>>> for a while. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the >>>>> >>> lobby. >>> >>>>> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow >>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d >>>>> sv_downloadurl ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> download" >>>>> >>>>> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Steven Hartland wro
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
The server browser has nothing to do with how poor the current download system is. We have worked around the server browser. Brent Veal wrote: > Using a server browser primarily really wouldnt work that well. The game > could really use some kind of lobby browser though. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" >> >> Read the whole thing next time. >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold >> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> 1nsane wrote >>> >>> > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has >>> been out for a while. >>> >>> openserverbrowser >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Shane Arnold- >>> clontar...@iinet.net.au<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> >>> >>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the >>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of >>> >> a >> >>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered >>> >> message >> >>> the war was lost." >>> >>> >>> >>> 1nsane wrote: >>> >>>> Wow wow...slow down buddy. >>>> >>>> Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK >>>> without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a >>>> nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more >>>> >>> immediate >>> >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been >>>> >>> out >>> >>>> for a while. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra >>>> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=mu...@anbservers.net>> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>>> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the >>>>> >>> lobby. >>> >>>>> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow >>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: >>>>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] >>>>> >> On Behalf Of msleeper >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d >>>>> sv_downloadurl ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> download" >>>>> >>>>> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Steven Hartland wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- >>>>>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source >>>>>>> expires or gets shutdown? >>>>>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it >>>>>>> >> overload >> >>>>>>> the origin server? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not use the tried an tested re
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
If the leader could choose a server from a browser, that would be a nice integration. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Brent Veal wrote: > Using a server browser primarily really wouldnt work that well. The game > could really use some kind of lobby browser though. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" > > > > Read the whole thing next time. > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > >wrote: > > > > > 1nsane wrote > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > > > been out for a while. > > > > > > openserverbrowser > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > > > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, > the > > > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want > of > > a > > > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered > > message > > > the war was lost." > > > > > > > > > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > > > > > > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK > > > > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > > > > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more > > > immediate > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > been > > > out > > > > for a while. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=mu...@anbservers.net>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the > > > lobby. > > > >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then > allow > > > the > > > >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com< > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > >] > > On Behalf Of msleeper > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > > > >> sv_downloadurl ) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > > > >>> > > > >> download" > > > >> > > > >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Steven Hartland wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens > when:- > > > >>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the > source > > > >>>> expires or gets shutdown? > > > >>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it > > overload > > > >>>> the origin server? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other > > game? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable > > solution. > > > >>>> > > > >>> TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > > > >>> 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > > > >>> 2) vpk author could just
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
How is a console command "not officially accessible" Perhaps you meant "not user-friendly". Left4Dead includes a fully-functional and "official" server browser which is no restricted in any way. As far as I know it has been there since day dot. Perhaps next time you say VALVe has done a shit job you should think about what it is you are writing about. Back on topic however, something such as sv_downloadurl should be included and work as it does in other source games. From what I can see most custom VPK's are between 10-30mb which isn't out of the ordinary for some user-made maps for other games. The problem is deciding at what point the user should download this. I agree with what an earlier poster suggested and that is to automatically start the download when the user joins a lobby and display the progress of that user's download (ala Starcraft's Battle.net). ___ Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message the war was lost." 1nsane wrote: > " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" > > Read the whole thing next time. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold wrote: > > >> 1nsane wrote >> >> > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has >> been out for a while. >> >> openserverbrowser >> >> ___ >> >> Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au >> >> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the >> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a >> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message >> the war was lost." >> >> >> >> 1nsane wrote: >> >>> Wow wow...slow down buddy. >>> >>> Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK >>> without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a >>> nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more >>> >> immediate >> >>> problem. >>> >>> It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been >>> >> out >> >>> for a while. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the >>>> >> lobby. >> >>>> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow >>>> >> the >> >>>> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper >>>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d >>>> sv_downloadurl ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> download" >>>> >>>> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Steven Hartland wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- >>>>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source >>>>>> expires or gets shutdown? >>>>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload >>>>>> the origin server? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Using a server browser primarily really wouldnt work that well. The game could really use some kind of lobby browser though. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > " People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" > > Read the whole thing next time. > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > >wrote: > > > 1nsane wrote > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > > been out for a while. > > > > openserverbrowser > > > > ___ > > > > Shane Arnold- > > clontar...@iinet.net.au<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the > > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of > a > > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered > message > > the war was lost." > > > > > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > > > > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK > > > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > > > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more > > immediate > > > problem. > > > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been > > out > > > for a while. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra > > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=mu...@anbservers.net>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the > > lobby. > > >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow > > the > > >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -Original Message----- > > >> From: > > >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> > > >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] > On Behalf Of msleeper > > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > > >> sv_downloadurl ) > > >> > > >> > > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > > >>> > > >> download" > > >> > > >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > >> > > >>> Steven Hartland wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > >>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > >>>> expires or gets shutdown? > > >>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it > overload > > >>>> the origin server? > > >>>> > > >>>> Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other > game? > > >>>> > > >>>> Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable > solution. > > >>>> > > >>> TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > > >>> 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > > >>> > > >> download" > > >> > > >>> ___ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>> > > >> please visit: > > >> > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
" People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser" Read the whole thing next time. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Shane Arnold wrote: > 1nsane wrote > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has > been out for a while. > > openserverbrowser > > ___ > > Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message > the war was lost." > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK > > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more > immediate > > problem. > > > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been > out > > for a while. > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: > > > > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the > lobby. > >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow > the > >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper > >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > >> sv_downloadurl ) > >> > >> > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > >>> > >> download" > >> > >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > >> > >>> Steven Hartland wrote: > >>> > >>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > >>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > >>>> expires or gets shutdown? > >>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > >>>> the origin server? > >>>> > >>>> Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > >>>> > >>>> Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > >>>> > >>> TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > >>> 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > >>> > >> download" > >> > >>> ___ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
1nsane wrote > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been out for a while. openserverbrowser ___ Shane Arnold- clontar...@iinet.net.au "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message the war was lost." 1nsane wrote: > Wow wow...slow down buddy. > > Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK > without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a > nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more immediate > problem. > > It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been out > for a while. > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: > > >> Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the lobby. >> AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow the >> users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper >> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d >> sv_downloadurl ) >> >> >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >>> >> download" >> >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... >> >> >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: >> >>> Steven Hartland wrote: >>> >>>> That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- >>>> 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source >>>> expires or gets shutdown? >>>> 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload >>>> the origin server? >>>> >>>> Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? >>>> >>>> Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. >>>> >>> TBH I dont see any better way ... but: >>> 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, >>> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >>> >> download" >> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Hopefully downloading custom maps will be done the normal way with sv_download and optional compression. The current state of opening an external http link to the download is hopefully only temporary. I guess the lobby system isn't fully ready for automatic downloading of custom maps yet. I noticed Killing Floors (UT) automatic downloading of compressed maps was pretty flawless, even allowing you to download the custom map before you d/c from your current game and join. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 9:11 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl ) Wow wow...slow down buddy. Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more immediate problem. It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been out for a while. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: > > Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the lobby. > AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow the > users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > sv_downloadurl ) > > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > Steven Hartland wrote: > > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > > expires or gets shutdown? > > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > > the origin server? > > > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Wow wow...slow down buddy. Lets not scare valve into ignoring this thread. People are dealing OK without an officially accessible server browser but the lack of a nice/automatic way to download custom campaigns is a bit of a more immediate problem. It doesn't look like Valve wants to add a server browser. LFD has been out for a while. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Munra wrote: > > Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the lobby. > AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow the > users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. > > > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d > sv_downloadurl ) > > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > Steven Hartland wrote: > > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > > expires or gets shutdown? > > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > > the origin server? > > > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Why Not allow people to choose the server that want to join in the lobby. AKA a community server or have some type or server browser. Then allow the users to download the pk Via sv_downloadurl when they connect. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl ) > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > expires or gets shutdown? > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > the origin server? > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
-Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:19 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl ) > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > expires or gets shutdown? > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > the origin server? > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Yahoo and Bing. Come on people. Why think for yourself when you can use google. Now to see where I can find some old-school big floppy disks on google for some data back up... *boots up browser and googles "Big Floppies"* AAAH MMAA EEE! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Mike Zimmermann wrote: > But what if Google goes down??? > > -Mike > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, msleeper wrote: > >> > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >> download" >> >> hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... >> >> >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: >> > Steven Hartland wrote: >> > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- >> > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source >> > > expires or gets shutdown? >> > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload >> > > the origin server? >> > > >> > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? >> > > >> > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. >> > >> > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: >> > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, >> > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk >> download" >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
But what if Google goes down??? -Mike On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, msleeper wrote: > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... > > > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > > Steven Hartland wrote: > > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > > expires or gets shutdown? > > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > > the origin server? > > > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk > download" > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
> 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" hahaha Worst idea of all time award goes to... On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:05 +0200, Adam Nowacki wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > > expires or gets shutdown? > > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > > the origin server? > > > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > TBH I dont see any better way ... but: > 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, > 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Steven Hartland wrote: > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > expires or gets shutdown? > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > the origin server? > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. TBH I dont see any better way ... but: 1) let lobby host specify a different download url with a cvar, 2) vpk author could just link to a google search with "mapname vpk download" ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
Wouldn't it work to just set your map to link to a page on a wiki (the valve wiki or another wiki) where the page has a series of download/mirror links and info on the campaign. that should solve problems 1 and 2. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- > 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source > expires or gets shutdown? > 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload > the origin server? > > Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? > > Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. > > Regards ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Impractical l4d download solution ( was: l4d sv_downloadurl )
That really is a majorly stupid way of doing it, what happens when:- 1. In a few months when siteX that the mapper included as the source expires or gets shutdown? 2. A good campaign gets popular and the people downloading it overload the origin server? Why not use the tried an tested redirect system like every other game? Seriously Valve you need to revisit this and make a workable solution. Regards Steve - Original Message - From: "Jonah Hirsch" To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] l4d sv_downloadurl > It will not work. Here's how the VPK system works. > > When a mapmaker packages their VPK file, they have to make a "missions.txt" > file. This contains information such as campaign name, version, author, > which maps are for which type of game, and the images. > > It also includes a download url. (Remember this!) This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
