Re: [HOT] [CrisisMappers] Response to Nepal Earthquake

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Hi All,

Thanks to Christiaan Adams, Josh Livni, the Google Crisis Response team,
and imagery providers the DigitalGlobe, Airbus D&S and Skybox imagery
prepared, tiled, hosted and shown on Google CrisisMap
(http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake) is allowed to be
traced in OSM, in particular.  "Any imagery you see in our CrisisMap and
KML file (links below) is available for tracing and other disaster
response use, by HOT/OSM and others".

It is thus going to be possible to map from this imagery which is
usually available online very quickly after capture, and with very good
quality processing.

The JOSM TMS URLs for the 22 images visible there so far have been
collected in this wiki sub-page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_imagery_hosted_by_Google_Crisis_Response

Many, many thanks to Christiaan and all those who made this possible.

Jean-Guilhem

Le 01/05/2015 00:51, 'Christiaan Adams' via CrisisMappers a écrit :
> Crisismappers, 
> Good news, we have received the green light from both Digital Globe
> and from Airbus (Astrium / Pleiades data) that the crisis response
> imagery they are providing for Nepal is allowed to be traced. 
> Therefore, any imagery you see in our CrisisMap and KML file (links
> below) is available for tracing and other disaster response use, by
> HOT/OSM and others.  
>
> Google CrisisMap:
> http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake
> (click the Layers menu to see additional images which are not turned
> on by default)
>
> KML file for Google Earth (networklink file loads the latest available
> data):
> http://mw1.google.com/crisisresponse/2015/nepal_earthquake/2015_nepal_earthquake_imagery.kml
>
> Thanks to the data providers and to everyone doing heroic work for Nepal! 
> -Christiaan and the Google Crisis Response team.  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> mailto:jguil...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Christiaan,
>
> (sorry for misspelling your first name last night, realized it a
> few seconds too late)
>
> Here is a very recent quote from "Carto and OSM for Nepal
> earthquake" Skype room that summarizes the current situation:
>
> > [mercredi 29 avril 2015 08:47:30 Nama Raj Budhathoki] I think we
> need post earthquake imagery to begin the mapping after the disaster
>
>
> Nama is Director of Kathmandu Living Labs, who connects with local
> actors (Red Cross and other NGOs, Nepal Army...) and targets
> HOT/OSM mapping according to needs, and resources (in particular
> post-event images).
>
> Seeing how post-event images are quickly and beautifully displayed
> on Google CrisisMap, I assume that they are already hosted, and
> that technically it would be a relatively simple matter of adding
> appropriate pipes to make them accessible through TMS or WMS
> protocols. (For what is worth, I use MapServer (for WMS) and (MS
> with) TileCache (for TMS) on OSM France servers. Would be
> available later today to help with configuration if it could be
> useful).
>
> OSM editor JOSM can access TMS and WMS, and iD can access TMS.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
>
> Le 29/04/2015 01:58, 'Christiaan Adams' via CrisisMappers a écrit :
>> Jean, I wasn't aware that DG and Airbus are releasing imagery
>> under open licenses for OSM, so thanks for the links!  As far as
>> I know, that's not the license that we at Google get imagery from
>> them under at this point.  I'll ask and see if we can get our
>> license changed for this and other crisis situations.  If there's
>> definitely a need for these datasets to be hosted as WMS or TMS
>> feeds, I can look into what it would take for us to do that.  
>> Best, -Christiaan
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
>> mailto:jguil...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Christian,
>>
>> But there are separate licenses for OpenStreetMap usage both
>> from DigitalGlobe [1] and from Airbus DS [2], who understand
>> the importance of this common good in humanitarian crises.
>>
>> One could hope that, if it is only a matter of distribution
>> channel, it should be possible to apply these licenses to the
>> same images, served through the technical capacity and
>> engineering talent of Google.
>>
>> And maybe old protocols like TMS or WMS could be associated
>> with special license allowing OSM usage, to serve only the
>> crisis images on which it might apply.
>>
>> Only suggestions, but that would help support the Nepalese,
>> and some of those trying to support them.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jean-Guilhem
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-April/008160.html
>> [2]
>> 
>> http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/airbus-ds/Web%20Licence%20for%20Non-Commercial%20Use%20with%20OS

Re: [HOT] [OSM-np] How to use post disaster DigitalGlobe Imagery in Id?

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Hi Amrit,

There are several post disaster DigitalGlobe images (as well as other
providers) on the Google CrisisMap
(http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake), and they can
now be traced in OSM.

Choose the image you are interested in the CrisisMap, using "zoom to
area" and toggling images on and off, and note its name.

URLs are listed for each name in this wiki page (that includes the 22
images online as of now) :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_imagery_hosted_by_Google_Crisis_Response

To get URL for iD, replace "zoom" by "z" in the URL for JOSM given in
the table.

For example, for Kathmandu 1 captured on Apr 27, URL for iD is:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054329691010_01_2015_04_27_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{z}.png



To change background in iD, choose "Background parameters" (shortcut is
"B"), then "custom" (or maybe "personalized" ?), and copy/paste the URL
for iD in the dialog box that opens.


Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 01/05/2015 06:14, amrit karmacharya a écrit :
> How can we bring the new post disaster Digital Image as background in
> iD editor?
>
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Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6

[john whelan]

Dig on the JOSM page there is a way to run java 6 and a specific earlier
version of JOSM, it is known about and it is documented.

Cheerio John

On 30 April 2015 at 23:59, Suzan Reed  wrote:

> Thank you everyone.
>
> I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing.
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote:
>
> Hey Suzan,
>
> Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM?
> You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic
> update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6.
>
> Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and
> there's a link to download the newer version.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed  wrote:
> I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a
> MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help?
>
>
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Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6

[Harry Wood]

Yes here 
specificallyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Mac#InstallationPlease link 
mac users to this. It would save on email traffic apart form anything else :-)
At mapathons I've been heading there and using the JOSM version 7000 download 
link as quick way to get older mac users going. That usually works (though not 
ideal obviously)  .  I'm not sure what happens to people with MacOS between 
version 10.7 and 10.7.3 . The wiki page is unclear about that, but seems it 
doesn't apply to many people.
Harry

  From: john whelan 
 To: Suzan Reed  
Cc: "HOT@openstreetmap.org"  
 Sent: Friday, 1 May 2015, 12:31
 Subject: Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
   
Dig on the JOSM page there is a way to run java 6 and a specific earlier 
version of JOSM, it is known about and it is documented.

Cheerio John



On 30 April 2015 at 23:59, Suzan Reed  wrote:

Thank you everyone.

I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing.

Suzan


On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote:

Hey Suzan,

Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM?
You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic 
update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6.

Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a 
link to download the newer version.

Good luck!

On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed  wrote:
I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro 
running 10.6.8. Help?



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Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Hey Severin,

I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
able to map non-validated tasks.

Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
could guide the beginners here too.

I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation
process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG
meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will
be able to assist.

Cheers,

Mhairi

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
> step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
> asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
> through the Activation.
> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
> the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
> an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
> with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
> network vs the rest).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard  > wrote:
>
>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>
>> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>> republish the job.
>> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>> - clean everything with the validator
>> - add mssing objects
>> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
>>> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
>>> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
>>> please do.
>>>
>>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
>>> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
>>> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *De :* Severin Menard 
>>> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
>>> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
>>> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
>>> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
>>> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
>>> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fellow mappers,
>>>
>>> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
>>> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
>>> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
>>> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
>>> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
>>> from contributing.
>>>
>>> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate
>>> the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link
>>> to local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
>>> create screencast for specific tasks.
>>>
>>> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
>>> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
>>> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some
>>> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to
>>> participate in a project others criticize:
>>>
>>> - Are the maps actually being used?
>>> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
>>> incomplete?
>>> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
>>>

Re: [HOT] [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal

[Spike]

Eric,

I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a bit busy 
currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk may lurk.


Spike

On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote:

From: *Eric Li* mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu>>

I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana 
Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that would 
be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in 
obtaining contacts in the disaster management space.


We are planning a user research study to better understand different 
roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We would 
like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following 
capacities:


  * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer
  * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for his
or her organization)
  * Supplies / Shelter Provider
  * HR Manager
  * Volunteer Coordinator
  * Field Volunteer

If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to participate 
in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email address, 
job title and organization._


For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or other 
organizations involved in Nepal relief?


Many thanks,

Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle)







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Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Severin Menard]

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hey Severin,
>
> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
> able to map non-validated tasks.
>
I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to
think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged
as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come
from this

>
> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
> could guide the beginners here too.
>
It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github,
would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this

>
> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation
> process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG
> meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will
> be able to assist.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
>> step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
>> asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
>> through the Activation.
>> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
>> the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
>> an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
>> with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
>> network vs the rest).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard <
>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>>
>>> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>>> republish the job.
>>> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>>> - clean everything with the validator
>>> - add mssing objects
>>> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>>> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
 Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
 it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
 please do.

 I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
 activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
 we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.


 Pierre

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  *De :* Severin Menard 
 *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
 *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!

 Hi,

 We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
 "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
 to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
 status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
 the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
 (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?

 Sincerely,

 Severin

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao 
 wrote:



 Fellow mappers,

 Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
 critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
 OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
 community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
 and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
 from contributing.

 Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate
 the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link
 to local community's group for newbies to find help.  People a

Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Pierre Béland]

At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made 
such propositions before. But no consensus.

Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational 
aspects outside of the emergency period.  I dont have time to discuss more on 
this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :)
  
Pierre 

  De : Mhairi O'Hara 
 À : Activation WG  
Cc : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37
 Objet : Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool 
of "Über" Validators
   
Hey Severin,
I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can 
validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after 
they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping 
abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map 
non-validated tasks.
Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room 
tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to 
the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the 
beginners here too.
I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation 
process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG 
meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be 
able to assist.
Cheers,
Mhairi


On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard  
wrote:

Hi,

Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step 
of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to 
ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the 
Activation. 
If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the 
case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an 
email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with 
large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs 
the rest). 

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard  
wrote:

NIck and I made this wikipage about it: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data

I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task 
validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation 
of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first 
quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a 
long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job.
Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and 
- clean everything with the validator
- add mssing objects
- improve the data consistency (especially the road network) 
- improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to 
the agreed scheme)

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only 
via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We 
started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do.
I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge 
activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we 
develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
  
Pierre 

  De : Severin Menard 
 À : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
 Objet : Re: [HOT] AAGH!
   
Hi,

We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an 
"experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access to 
the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, 
because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers 
(supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should 
supposedly do). Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:



Fellow mappers,
Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical 
issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT 
great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community 
support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out 
under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing.
Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the tasks 
to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local 
community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to create 
screencast for specific tasks.
As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it 
might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't find one, 
please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common critics, so people 

Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Severin Menard]

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Severin,
>>
>> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
>> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
>> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
>> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
>> able to map non-validated tasks.
>>
> I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to
> think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged
> as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come
> from this
>

Just created this issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624

>
>> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
>> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
>> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
>> could guide the beginners here too.
>>
> It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github,
> would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this
>
>>
>> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the
>> Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible
>> Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and
>> tools that will be able to assist.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mhairi
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an
>>> extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a
>>> great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data
>>> produced through the Activation.
>>> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is
>>> actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it,
>>> please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access
>>> future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two
>>> folds (road network vs the rest).
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard <
>>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data

 I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
 and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
 the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
 and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
 correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
 republish the job.
 Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
 - clean everything with the validator
 - add mssing objects
 - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
 - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
 according to the agreed scheme)

 Sincerely,

 Severin

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
 wrote:

> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
> please do.
>
> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such
> huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and
> assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Severin Menard 
> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>
> Hi,
>
> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have 
> access
> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Fellow mappers,
>
> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
> and figure out under what circumstance we 

Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Not to worry Pierre! Duly noted. I will keep notes of everything so that we
can discuss this after the activation period.

And thanks for the additional information and comments Severin. I am taking
these into account in a rough google docs document.

I will add more suggestions, as I go through the rest of the e-mails that
have come in during the current activation:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1O2jkoeHGnhEV1eN8aJDVctdfpWtDiodAUGiSTZmulEA&authuser=0

Please feel free to dumb ideas and suggestions, which I will organise and
present at the next Activation WG meeting for further discussion.

Cheers,

Mhairi

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM, 'Pierre Béland' via Activation Working
Group  wrote:

> At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have
> made such propositions before. But no consensus.
>
> Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such
> organizational aspects outside of the emergency period.  I dont have time
> to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :)
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Mhairi O'Hara 
> *À :* Activation WG 
> *Cc :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37
> *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for
> a pool of "Über" Validators
>
> Hey Severin,
>
> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
> able to map non-validated tasks.
>
> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
> could guide the beginners here too.
>
> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation
> process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG
> meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will
> be able to assist.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
> step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
> asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
> through the Activation.
> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
> the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
> an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
> with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
> network vs the rest).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard  > wrote:
>
> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>
> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and
> task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the
> motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and
> make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly
> done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish
> the job.
> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
> - clean everything with the validator
> - add mssing objects
> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
> according to the agreed scheme)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not
> only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it.
> We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please
> do.
>
> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
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> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>
> Hi,
>
> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-l

Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Hey Katja,

Thanks for your experiences as a newcomer. Your insight is highly
beneficial to improving the process for mappers that are starting out and
contributing to the activations. Welcome to the OpenStreetMap community!

Kind regards,

Mhairi

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Katja Ulbert  wrote:

>  Hi there,
>
> as a newbie I think the idea of a HOT chatroom would be great! Although I
> read the beginners guide to JOSM it apparently didn´t cover everything. It
> would accelerate my work very much to get quick answers to my questions
> (unfortunately in my area there are no mappathons yet), instead of looking
> at tiles that are already marked as validated to get inspiration from what
> I see there or go through all the mailinglist posts to see if it has
> already been mentioned there.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Katja
>
> Am 01/05/15 um 14:37 schrieb Mhairi O'Hara:
>
> Hey Severin,
>
>  I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
> able to map non-validated tasks.
>
>  Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a
> chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
> could guide the beginners here too.
>
>  I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the
> Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible
> Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and
> tools that will be able to assist.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Mhairi
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>>   Hi,
>>
>>  Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an
>> extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a
>> great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data
>> produced through the Activation.
>>  If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is
>> actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it,
>> please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access
>> future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two
>> folds (road network vs the rest).
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>>
>>  Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard <
>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>>
>>>  I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>>> republish the job.
>>>  Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>>>  - clean everything with the validator
>>>  - add mssing objects
>>>  - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>>>  - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>>
>>>  Sincerely,
>>>
>>>  Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
 Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
 it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
 please do.

  I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such
 huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and
 assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.


 Pierre

   --
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 *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
 *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!

Hi,

 We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
 "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
 to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
 status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
 the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
 (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?

  Sincerely,

  Severin

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao 
 wrote:



   Fellow mappers,

  Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
 critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
 OSM and H

[HOT] Message sizes

[Tom Taylor]

A number of messages are getting stuck in the HOT list moderator queue 
because they exceed the list limit of 40,000 kB. I think that's a 
reasonable limit, considering that a number of our colleagues are on a 
thin Internet connection. I've been letting messages go through up to 
about 50 kB, but rejecting larger ones.


I suspect the primary problem is people failing to chop messages down to 
the last one or two exchanges when they compose a reply. This plus HTML 
uses up bytes quite quickly. Please try to remember to delete the older 
portions before sending your own message out.


Tom Taylor
TomT5454

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Re: [HOT] Message sizes

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 11:11 -0400, Tom Taylor wrote:
> A number of messages are getting stuck in the HOT list moderator
> queue 
> because they exceed the list limit of 40,000 kB.

Surely you meant 40 kB or 40,000 bytes, not 40,000 kB?

-- 
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[HOT] Today's report from the Situation Room

[Nama Budhathoki]

There is an evidence in the report how work is saving lives. Thank you all
for you contribution.

http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/blog/nepal-earthquake-report-from-kll-situation-room-day-6-may-1/

Cheers,

Nama

Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D.
Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org
)*
Cell: 977-9803571739
Office: 977-6205000
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Re: [HOT] [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal

[Spike]

I should perhaps have mentioned that please respond *direct* to *Eric Li* (
cheng...@stanford.edu) as he may well not be a member of this (which ever 
one "this" is) list.

Sorry

Spike

On Friday, 1 May 2015 15:45:44 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>
> Eric, 
>
> I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a bit busy 
> currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk may 
> lurk. 
>
> Spike 
>
> On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote: 
> > From: *Eric Li* mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu>> 
> > 
> > I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana 
> > Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that would 
> > be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in 
> > obtaining contacts in the disaster management space. 
> > 
> > We are planning a user research study to better understand different 
> > roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We would 
> > like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following 
> > capacities: 
> > 
> >   * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer 
> >   * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for his 
> > or her organization) 
> >   * Supplies / Shelter Provider 
> >   * HR Manager 
> >   * Volunteer Coordinator 
> >   * Field Volunteer 
> > 
> > If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to participate 
> > in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email address, 
> > job title and organization._ 
> > 
> > For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or other 
> > organizations involved in Nepal relief? 
> > 
> > Many thanks, 
> > 
> > Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
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[HOT] Duties before start.

[Fátima Vale]

Hi :)

I am beginner here (it is my first time..) I am having some doubts before
start mapping and I need some help please.

I have my work area and I am using JOMS. I didn't have any alert about the
image offset. So, I can start without problems?

Tks, :)

Fátima
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Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users

[Julian Haag]

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Hi,
I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a
bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and
adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal
this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some
flavour to that one too.. :D
He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential.

It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous
so technically he is not wrong!
I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the
point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2.
So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed
out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did
to me at first (only a bit :D)).

greetings from germany
ngt

P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate
especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a
kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be
particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid
saying what is bad ;)


Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer:
> Makes sense to me ...
>
> In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots
of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that "every
individual structure needs to be traced".
> The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really
feel this is a waste of precious time.
>
> In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate
(which is a very good idea!).
> They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all
the highways.
>
> I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as
possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job.
> 
>
> Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK
>
> Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and
>> there's a ton of those.
>>
>> However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers
>> validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so.
>> Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking
>> manager, I think there may be a workaround.
>>
>> What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode
>> temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they
>> can validate the done tasks.
>>
>> This could be used for this project for example:
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
>>
>> This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to
>> do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
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[HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Pierre Béland]

Good news!
After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today 
various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult 
conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide 
images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts.
Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie 
of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any 
relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.

See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024

regard  
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Chia-liang Kao]

Hi Pierre, (and woot!)

I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's
one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png


Best,
clkao


Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：

> Good news!
> After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today
> various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult
> conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to
> provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous
> efforts.
>
> Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a
> serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not
> have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.
>
> See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
>
> regard
>
>
> Pierre
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[fofana]

Ah
Thanks Pierre this is a good news!

Le 01/05/2015 15:32, Pierre Béland a écrit :
> Good news!
> After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received
> today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese
> difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are
> coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all
> for your continous efforts.
>
> Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to
> define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These
> people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and
> roads lanslides.
>
> See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
>
> regard
>  
>  
> Pierre
>
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[Pierre Béland]

Sorry, I corrected
Hi have modified the taskin the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
regard  
Pierre 

  De : Chia-liang Kao 
 À : Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap 
 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps 
and detect housing damages in remote areas
   
Hi Pierre, (and woot!)

I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's 
one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: 
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png

Best,clkao


Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：



Good news!
After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today 
various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult 
conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide 
images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts.
Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie 
of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any 
relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.

See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024

regard  
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Chia-liang Kao]

Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the
task is still without the latest imagery.

clkao

Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道：

> Sorry, I corrected
>
> Hi have modified the task
> in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
> regard
>
> Pierre
>  --
>  *De :* Chia-liang Kao 
> *À :* Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap <
> hot@openstreetmap.org>
> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP
> Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
>
> Hi Pierre, (and woot!)
>
> I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's
> one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:
> http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png
>
>
> Best,
> clkao
>
>
> Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：
>
>
>
> Good news!
> After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today
> various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult
> conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to
> provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous
> efforts.
>
> Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a
> serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not
> have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.
>
> See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
>
> regard
>
>
> Pierre
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Pierre Béland]

Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some 
imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas.
 regard 
Pierre 

  De : Chia-liang Kao 
 À : Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap 
 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56
 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps 
and detect housing damages in remote areas
   
Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is 
still without the latest imagery.
clkao
Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道：



Sorry, I corrected
Hi have modified the taskin the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
regard  
Pierre 
De : Chia-liang Kao 
 À : Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap 
 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps 
and detect housing damages in remote areas
   
Hi Pierre, (and woot!)

I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  Here's 
one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: 
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png

Best,clkao


Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：



Good news!
After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today 
various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult 
conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide 
images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts.
Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie 
of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any 
relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.

See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024

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Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users

[Steve Bower]

Regarding tracing buildings in #1018, Nepal "2nd pass", the *revised*
instructions are unambiguous:

*"Buildings *- Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes.
For clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It
is important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis."

I have been doing so, even in areas already tagged landuse=residential. If
tracing all individual buildings is incorrect, let me know and the
instructions should be revised.

I would expect consistency of instructions across the Nepal projects, e.g.,
regarding how to add buildings. An experienced project manager might want
to review the Nepal project instructions for consistency/completeness (if
not done already).

Feedback from validators would be very helpful, whether "all good" or "for
future do this".

Thanks



On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Julian Haag  wrote:

>
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>
> Hi,
> I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a
> bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and
> adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal
> this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some
> flavour to that one too.. :D
> He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential.
>
> It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous
> so technically he is not wrong!
> I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the
> point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2.
> So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed
> out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did
> to me at first (only a bit :D)).
>
> greetings from germany
> ngt
>
> P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate
> especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a
> kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be
> particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid
> saying what is bad ;)
>
>
> Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer:
> > Makes sense to me ...
> >
> > In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots
> of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that "every
> individual structure needs to be traced".
> > The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really
> feel this is a waste of precious time.
> >
> > In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate
> (which is a very good idea!).
> > They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all
> the highways.
> >
> > I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as
> possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job.
> >
> >
> > Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK
> >
> > Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and
> >> there's a ton of those.
> >>
> >> However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers
> >> validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so.
> >> Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking
> >> manager, I think there may be a workaround.
> >>
> >> What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode
> >> temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they
> >> can validate the done tasks.
> >>
> >> This could be used for this project for example:
> >> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
> >>
> >> This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to
> >> do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Pierre
> >>
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Julian Haag]

  
  

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Hash: SHA1 
 
Hello Pierre,
do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish
between houses, tents and damages..


Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland:
> Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar
  is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days
  to help people in remote areas.
  >  regard
  >  
  > Pierre
  >
  > -
  > *De :* Chia-liang Kao 
  > *À :* Pierre Béland ; HOT
  Openstreetmap 
  > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56
  > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed :
  Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
  >
  > Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli
  Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery.
  >
  > clkao
  >
  > Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道：
  >
  >
  > Sorry, I corrected
  >
  > Hi have modified the task
  > in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
  > regard
  >  
  > Pierre
  > -
  > *De :* Chia-liang Kao 
  > *À :* Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap
  
  > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
  > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors
  needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote
  areas
  >
  > Hi Pierre, (and woot!)
  >
  > I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the
  imagery license.  Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is
  at:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png
  >
  >
  > Best,
  > clkao
  >
  >
  > Pierre Béland  於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：
  >
  >
  >
  > Good news!
  > After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather
  conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and
  CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery
  providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was
  possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts.
  >
  > Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working
  with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this
  emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week
  with bad weather and roads lanslides.
  >
  > See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
  >
  > regard
  >  
  >  
  > Pierre
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[Pierre Béland]

With the difficult weathe condition, this is the best we had so far. People in 
remote areas are trapped with road slidings and no help for a week. 
Challenging, but we try our best. This CNN video explains it better then me. 
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/health/nepal-gupta-woman-cardiac-arrest/

 regard

Pierre 

  De : Julian Haag 
 À : hot@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h14
 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps 
and detect housing damages in remote areas
   
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- 
 Hash: SHA1 
  
 Hello Pierre,
 do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between 
houses, tents and damages..
 
 
 Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland:
 > Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some 
 > imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas.
 >  regard
 >  
 > Pierre
 >
 > -
 > *De :* Chia-liang Kao 
 > *À :* Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap 
 > 
 > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56
 > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP 
 > Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
 >
 > Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task 
 > is still without the latest imagery.
 >
 > clkao
 >
 > Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>> 於 2015年5月2日 週六 
 > 上午12:53寫道：
 >
 >
 > Sorry, I corrected
 >
 > Hi have modified the task
 > in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
 > regard
 >  
 > Pierre
 > -
 > *De :* Chia-liang Kao mailto:cl...@clkao.org>>
 > *À :* Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>>; HOT 
 >Openstreetmap mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>>
 > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
 > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP 
 >Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
 >
 > Hi Pierre, (and woot!)
 >
 > I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license.  
 >Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is 
 >at:http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png
 >
 >
 > Best,
 > clkao
 >
 >
 > Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>> 於 2015年5月2日 
 >週六 上午12:21寫道：
 >
 >
 >
 > Good news!
 > After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received 
 >today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult 
 >conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide 
 >images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts.
 >
 > Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to 
 >define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did 
 >not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.
 >
 > See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
 >
 > regard
 >  
 >  
 > Pierre
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Re: [HOT] Duties before start.

[Steve Bower]

Fátima,
Welcome, thanks for pitching in to help. I am also fairly new to HOT but
here are a few thoughts:

Take the tutorials before starting, and the additional training recommended
from them:
http://mapgive.state.gov/learn-to-map/
http://learnosm.org/en/

Review the validated work of others before starting, to understand what's
expected for the project. I review it in iD so I don't have to lock it from
anyone else (I use JOSM to edit).

I suggest reviewing the descriptions and instructions for several projects
in the area you've chosen (e.g., Nepal). Some project instructions are more
complete than others.

If the instructions aren't clear to you, request clarification.

Start with tiles that have fewer features to be mapped, so that you can be
validated sooner and get feedback on your work. When you check your work
back in you can leave a comment noting your are new, note anything you were
unsure of, and request feedback on your work.

Don't validate others' work - leave that to experienced mappers.

Be systematic in your review of a tile. I start with major transportation
features, then work systematically scanning the tile in columns,
top-to-bottom, then left-to-right, at a constant scale, using keyboard
shortcuts to move (Ctrl-arrow in JOSM) so that I'm sure I've covered the
complete tile.

If you are entering buildings be sure to load the buildings_tools plugin
for JOSM:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools

Use this mail list to ask questions as you go. Let us know what project
you're working on. If appropriate include a link (e.g., the URL in iD, or
the lat/long coordinates) to show an example.

If you're in doubt of whether you are doing something right, ask questions
first. New users can make good contributions, but some new users are
problematic and there is much debate as to how to enable new users while
assuring good quality.

Steve

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Fátima Vale  wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> I am beginner here (it is my first time..) I am having some doubts before
> start mapping and I need some help please.
>
> I have my work area and I am using JOMS. I didn't have any alert about the
> image offset. So, I can start without problems?
>
> Tks, :)
>
> Fátima
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[kusala nine]

this is all working now from the instructions. Difficult to see some areas
for e.g building damage. I'm using Bing as a pre-quake layer to contrast
the two (with data turned off), that way the contrasts (i.e tents, IDP and
damage) are easier to see. wow...

jon.

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> With the difficult weathe condition, this is the best we had so far.
> People in remote areas are trapped with road slidings and no help for a
> week.
> Challenging, but we try our best. This CNN video explains it better then
> me.
> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/health/nepal-gupta-woman-cardiac-arrest/
>
>
> regard
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Julian Haag 
> *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h14
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP
> Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
>
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello Pierre,
> do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between
> houses, tents and damages..
>
>
> Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland:
> > Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have
> some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas.
> >  regard
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > -
> > *De :* Chia-liang Kao  
> > *À :* Pierre Béland  ; HOT
> Openstreetmap  
> > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56
> > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP
> Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
> >
> > Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the
> task is still without the latest imagery.
> >
> > clkao
> >
> > Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>
> > 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道：
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I corrected
> >
> > Hi have modified the task
> > in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM
> > regard
> >
> > Pierre
> > -
> > *De :* Chia-liang Kao mailto:cl...@clkao.org>
> >
> > *À :* Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>
> >; HOT Openstreetmap   >
> > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30
> > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate
> IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
> >
> > Hi Pierre, (and woot!)
> >
> > I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery
> license.  Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:
> http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > clkao
> >
> >
> > Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>
> > 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道：
> >
> >
> >
> > Good news!
> > After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we
> received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese
> difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating
> to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your
> continous efforts.
> >
> > Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to
> define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people
> did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads
> lanslides.
> >
> > See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
> >
> > regard
> >
> >
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[HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working

[Michael]

Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset 
comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example 
you get "%23hotosm-project-1018" instead of "#hotosm-project-1018".


Or with project #1010 even a 
"source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q";. 



I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors 
are affected as well.


Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I 
guess this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.


Thanks & keep on mapping
Michael (user Ohr)

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Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[William Morris]

If only the HOT Summit wasn't happening during an activation :(



On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM Pierre Béland  wrote:

> At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have
> made such propositions before. But no consensus.
>
> Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such
> organizational aspects outside of the emergency period.  I dont have time
> to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :)
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Mhairi O'Hara 
> *À :* Activation WG 
> *Cc :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37
> *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for
> a pool of "Über" Validators
>
> Hey Severin,
>
> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
> able to map non-validated tasks.
>
> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
> could guide the beginners here too.
>
> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation
> process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG
> meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will
> be able to assist.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
> step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
> asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
> through the Activation.
> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
> the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
> an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
> with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
> network vs the rest).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard  > wrote:
>
> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>
> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and
> task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the
> motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and
> make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly
> done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish
> the job.
> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
> - clean everything with the validator
> - add mssing objects
> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
> according to the agreed scheme)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not
> only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it.
> We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please
> do.
>
> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
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> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>
> Hi,
>
> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:
>
>
>
> Fellow mappers,
>
> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
> from contributing.
>
> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the
> tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and 

Re: [HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working

[Augustin Doury]

We noticed the same problem in Burkina.
We use to copy/past from TM to JOSM the comment for each changeset because
"#" is everytime changing to "%23",the UTF-8 character.
I mean if you copy/past it in JOSM before opening a changeset, it's ok. But
if you want to open a new changeset later, the "#" is always replaced by
"%23".
So the issue is coming from JOSM.
Thanks, good luck,
Augustin

2015-05-01 18:02 GMT+00:00 Michael :

> Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset
> comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example you
> get "%23hotosm-project-1018" instead of "#hotosm-project-1018".
>
> Or with project #1010 even a "source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.
> tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q
> ".
>
>
> I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors
> are affected as well.
>
> Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I guess
> this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.
>
> Thanks & keep on mapping
> Michael (user Ohr)
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[HOT] Wiki: HOT UserBox

[Andreas Goss]

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:HOT_UserBox

I just realized that if you use this template on your user page, then it 
will be in the Humanitarian OSM Team category. I don't think that should 
happen and I guess with the [[Category:{{{1}}} 
Volunteers{{!}}{{PAGENAME}}]] that also was somehow the intention, but 
that doesn't work, because many people don't enter the optional parameter.


I'm not an expert with those templates, but maybe someone could edit it 
so by default it says Category: HOT volunteer and make that a sub category.
Also for the official members it might also be better to have category 
HOT board members as Humanitarian OSM Team doesn't really stand for the 
"team".


Because right now the category isn't the usefull with all the users:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OSM_Team

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Re: [HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working

[Pierre GIRAUD]

This has been reported in the tasking manager issues.
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/513
I think it has also been reported in JOSM.

Pierre

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Augustin Doury  wrote:
> We noticed the same problem in Burkina.
> We use to copy/past from TM to JOSM the comment for each changeset because
> "#" is everytime changing to "%23",the UTF-8 character.
> I mean if you copy/past it in JOSM before opening a changeset, it's ok. But
> if you want to open a new changeset later, the "#" is always replaced by
> "%23".
> So the issue is coming from JOSM.
> Thanks, good luck,
> Augustin
>
> 2015-05-01 18:02 GMT+00:00 Michael :
>>
>> Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset
>> comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example you
>> get "%23hotosm-project-1018" instead of "#hotosm-project-1018".
>>
>> Or with project #1010 even a
>> "source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q";.
>>
>> I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors
>> are affected as well.
>>
>> Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I guess
>> this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.
>>
>> Thanks & keep on mapping
>> Michael (user Ohr)
>>
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Re: [HOT] Message sizes

[Tom Taylor]

Oops, yeah.

On 01/05/2015 11:17 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 11:11 -0400, Tom Taylor wrote:

A number of messages are getting stuck in the HOT list moderator
queue
because they exceed the list limit of 40,000 kB.


Surely you meant 40 kB or 40,000 bytes, not 40,000 kB?



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Re: [HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working

[Michael Krämer]

Am 01.05.2015 21:18 schrieb "Pierre GIRAUD" :
> This has been reported in the tasking manager issues.
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/513

Oh, thanks. Since I had never seen this before I didn't expect this to be a
bug in the tasking manager.

> I think it has also been reported in JOSM.

I think I found the bug report (https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/10975)
- it is closed as it is considered a bug in tasking manager...

I guess we will have to live with it for now.

Thanks for the help anyway.
Michael
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[HOT] perso Re: limit validation to experienced users

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Steve,
too tired to concentrate. Had some sleep. But still in deficit of 2 hours for 
last night. A lot more cumulative :)
Will have to get some rest again to be effective.
I'll let you evaluate. for pre-disaster jobs we can say to trace all buidling.
but problem, TM1018, some of kathmandu urban integrated. might take time to do.
thanks for this help  
Pierre 

  De : Steve Bower 
 À : Julian Haag  
Cc : HOT Openstreetmap  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h13
 Objet : Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
   
Regarding tracing buildings in #1018, Nepal "2nd pass", the *revised* 
instructions are unambiguous:
"Buildings - Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes. For 
clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It is 
important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis."

I have been doing so, even in areas already tagged landuse=residential. If 
tracing all individual buildings is incorrect, let me know and the instructions 
should be revised.
I would expect consistency of instructions across the Nepal projects, e.g., 
regarding how to add buildings. An experienced project manager might want to 
review the Nepal project instructions for consistency/completeness (if not done 
already).
Feedback from validators would be very helpful, whether "all good" or "for 
future do this".
Thanks




On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Julian Haag  wrote:


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Hi,
I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a
bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and
adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal
this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some
flavour to that one too.. :D
He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential.

It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous
so technically he is not wrong!
I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the
point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2.
So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed
out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did
to me at first (only a bit :D)).

greetings from germany
ngt

P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate
especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a
kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be
particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid
saying what is bad ;)


Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer:
> Makes sense to me ...
>
> In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots
of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that "every
individual structure needs to be traced".
> The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really
feel this is a waste of precious time.
>
> In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate
(which is a very good idea!).
> They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all
the highways.
>
> I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as
possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job.
>
>
> Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK
>
> Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and
>> there's a ton of those.
>>
>> However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers
>> validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so.
>> Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking
>> manager, I think there may be a workaround.
>>
>> What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode
>> temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they
>> can validate the done tasks.
>>
>> This could be used for this project for example:
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
>>
>> This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to
>> do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
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[HOT] OSM Nepal database expansion

[Pierre Béland]

Please advise the humanitarians that the OSM database for Nepal is increasing 
rapidly. This is welcome :)Thanks to all for this effort. I hope that my 
figures are ok. Awesome progress by Kathmandu Living labs since 2014. And still 
amazing progress with the size doubled in a week. Thanks to this HOT / OSM 
global community responding to this quite challenging crisis.


| OSM Nepal Geofabrik extract | PBF |
| date | size |
| 2014-12-02 00:00 | 17 949 648 |
| 2015-04-02 00:00 | 25 799 677 |
| 2015-04-24 00:00 | 27 098 000 |
| 2015-05-01 00:00 | 55 013 892 |

  
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[HOT] BBC License Violation?

[Robert Banick]

Hi All,


I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the 
map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) 
camp data without attribution.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682



Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that 
HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is 
confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape 
appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008


Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived 
data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be 
fixed.


Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve 
written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are 
always quicker.


Best,
Robert

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[HOT] Damage Proxy Map

[Chad Blevins]

Sharing this link with the community .  Email includes brief explanation of
the product.


All,

Here is the link to the Damage Proxy Map (DPM) produced by the ARIA team at
JPL.

http://aria-share.jpl.nasa.gov/events/20150425-Nepal_EQ/DPM/ARIA_DPM_v0.5u_CSKd_20150430.kmz

Please read the message below to better understand the product and how to
interpret it.

In order to insert these 'Damage Proxy Map' (DPM) products into your damage
assessment work flow for use in tasking search & rescue teams at the
earliest possible time, please find attached the DPM product. As the
caption embedded in the KMZ file states, the data used are from the Italian
Space Agency (ASI) COSMO-SkyMed satellite. Further details are in that
caption.

These initial DPM data for the Kathmandu area have been validated &
verified with several other data sets, but only to a limited degree because
they were just generated on April 30, 2015. This DPM is intended to provide
guidance for identifying damage to structures in urban areas. In vegetated
areas and outside of the urban areas, the DPM is not intended to be useful
for any other purposes so should not be interpreted or used for other
purposes in those areas (e.g., we do not know if it can be used reliably
for landslide mapping, etc. because vegetation changes all the time).

We are finding that the DPM in many cases agrees very well with these
existing products. It also identifies 'tips' (red areas) that coincide with
damage that we can verify in the high-res EO imagery. In the places where
we have spot-checked the DPM, in many cases it appears to us to perform
very well. In other places, however, we must be clear in saying that it is
not 100% accurate. Please accept the DPM "as is" and see if it can be
useful to you.

Past experience with DPMs from earthquakes, severe storms, and urban
construction has shown good correlation between areas identified in the DPM
as having significant change and damage to buildings and other urban
structures.

The KMZ includes the NGA damage assessment product (with purple, red dots
indicating severe damage) and the DPM as a red-to-yellow scale layer. In
some cases, DPM seems to have missed damage. In other areas, DPM indicates
a 'tip' but the NGA product has no indication of damage. We also have seen
several cases in which DPM indicates damaged buildings, and we see them for
sure in the post-eq high-res EO, but they were not yet included in the NGA
damage products (as of April 30).

We hope for feedback from end users with the hope of improving future
product releases.

Sang-Ho Yun (sang-ho@jpl.nasa.gov) is the ARIA DPM technical contact
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

[Pierre Béland]

They will have to pay an interview for this :)
  
Pierre 

  De : Robert Banick 
 À : OSM Talk ; hot  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 17h18
 Objet : [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?
   
Hi All,
I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the 
map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) 
camp data without attribution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682

Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that 
HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is 
confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape 
appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived 
data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be 
fixed.
Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve 
written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are 
always quicker.
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[HOT] #1024 landuse=brownfield + landuse=residential

[S Volk]

Hi, please, one question:I'm tracing a "landuse=brownfield" poligon for 
recently disappeared homes (comparing DigitalGlobe 2015-04-29 with both Bing 
and MapGive / HIU april 2015 images, ) over a place where there was already a 
"landuse=residential" poligon (probably will be a common case). I ask: is it 
ok, doesn't it happen any kind of conflict for a "landuse" over another 
"landuse", like conflict in rendering brownfield over residential, or any kind 
of conflict for identification? // Also, no sign of tents in the neigborhood of 
these demolished buildings, confirming reports that rescue haven't arrived yet 
to many distant place. // Thanks - Sérgio (user:SergioAJV)  
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[HOT] Question about helping as newcomer

[laura brittain]

Hi,
I'm limiting my newbie mapping in Nepal tasks to things that seem simple. But I 
don't want to confuse things with bad data.
After reading comments in the hotlist, I'm sticking to white squares. 
Is it advisable to go ahead with:
Finding and marking individual buildings
Identifying bridges
Marking paths from roads to buildings?
These are the only things I can do without guessing, so I stick to them.

Also, It isn't clear how to label bridges. I couldn't find the dropdowns for 
highway that were suggested in the instructions.
Also, does it help to mark a path that seems to disappear in trees? Some of 
these buildings are isolated and I thought it would help to
show the part of the path that's clearly visible, if there's no other access, 
but not sure.

Like a lot of people who are new, I really want to help. Please advise.

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Re: [HOT] Question about helping as newcomer

[john whelan]

If you can use the JOSM buildings plugin and just do buildings for the
moment that would be a great help.  There are a lot of buildings to do and
they are simple with the tool.

buildings_tool JOSM edit menu, preferences, fourth tab down for plugins,
then look for buildings_tool, tick the box then update plugins.  To use it
type b then click the mouse on a corner, move to the second corner, click,
move to the next corner click and you're done, a perfectly mapped building.

Cheerio John

On 1 May 2015 at 19:17, laura brittain  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm limiting my newbie mapping in Nepal tasks to things that seem simple.
> But I don't want to confuse things with bad data.
> After reading comments in the hotlist, I'm sticking to white squares.
> Is it advisable to go ahead with:
> Finding and marking individual buildings
> Identifying bridges
> Marking paths from roads to buildings?
> These are the only things I can do without guessing, so I stick to them.
>
> Also, It isn't clear how to label bridges. I couldn't find the dropdowns
> for highway that were suggested in the instructions.
> Also, does it help to mark a path that seems to disappear in trees? Some
> of these buildings are isolated and I thought it would help to
> show the part of the path that's clearly visible, if there's no other
> access, but not sure.
>
> Like a lot of people who are new, I really want to help. Please advise.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Question about helping as newcomer

[Pierre Béland]

Adding to John,
If you did not complete the task, once you saved your edit to the database, you 
come back to the Task Manager and add  brief comment like newbie, just added 
buildings. And you click to unlock the task. This way, the contributor that 
later takes the task will see the infos you provided. This will help to 
understand what has still to be done.
Thanks for your help. I started like this in January 2010, tracing polygons 
around IDP informal camps in Port-au-Prince. 

regard
  
Pierre 

  De : john whelan 
 À : laura brittain  
Cc : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 19h25
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Question about helping as newcomer
   
If you can use the JOSM buildings plugin and just do buildings for the moment 
that would be a great help.  There are a lot of buildings to do and they are 
simple with the tool.

buildings_tool JOSM edit menu, preferences, fourth tab down for plugins, then 
look for buildings_tool, tick the box then update plugins.  To use it type b 
then click the mouse on a corner, move to the second corner, click, move to the 
next corner click and you're done, a perfectly mapped building.

Cheerio John

On 1 May 2015 at 19:17, laura brittain  wrote:



Hi,I'm limiting my newbie mapping in Nepal tasks to things that seem simple. 
But I don't want to confuse things with bad data.After reading comments in the 
hotlist, I'm sticking to white squares. Is it advisable to go ahead 
with:Finding and marking individual buildingsIdentifying bridgesMarking paths 
from roads to buildings?These are the only things I can do without guessing, so 
I stick to them.
Also, It isn't clear how to label bridges. I couldn't find the dropdowns for 
highway that were suggested in the instructions.Also, does it help to mark a 
path that seems to disappear in trees? Some of these buildings are isolated and 
I thought it would help toshow the part of the path that's clearly visible, if 
there's no other access, but not sure.
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Re: [HOT] List of Mapathons for Nepal for HOT Blog post

[Nama Budhathoki]

That would be great, Andrew.

I am deeply interested to trace, document and reflect our mapping effort
after the crisis.

Nama

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Andrew Wiseman  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm compiling as many Nepal-related OSM events as I can find for a blog
> post for HOT, can you please reply with any you have heard of with links,
> and ideally some basic info (who held it, how many people, etc.) and photos?
>
> Thanks! The more info you can send, the better the post will be (and
> quicker and easier to make!)
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[HOT] Fwd: Fw: Helping Nepal with mapping action

[Nama Budhathoki]

Can someone tell them that mapping needs to be done with little care,
students need to be provided proper guidelines, and point them to right
resources.

Nama




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Subject: Fw: Helping Nepal with mapping action
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Colleagues,

On behalf of Geo for All  http://www.geoforall.org/  ,i request you all to
inform your colleagues and students to contribute in the crisis mapping
action launched by the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. This will also help
teach the students also the real essence of education and humanity and
"sharing knowledge and expertise" to help each other in times of need.

We thank our colleagues (esp. Maria Brovelli, Marco Minghini and Giovanna
Venuti) and students at GEO Lab in Como (which is one of the GeoForAll
Labs) for also organising a mapping  initiative to support the relief
efforts.

Details at
http://www.polo-como.polimi.it/news/dettaglio-della-news/article/165/helping-nepal-with-a-mapping-action-at-como-campus-967/

The scale of the efforts needed is huge, so more volunteers esp. with FOSS
experience in automatic image classification and feature extraction and
wish to contribute to the mapping response for the Nepal earthquake are
needed . Details at
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2015/04/mapping-response-contributions-for-nepal/

There are many tasks that need to be accomplished at
http://tasks.hotosm.org/

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake

Thanks again for all of you for your support and help with this.

Best wishes,

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[HOT] Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace helicopter landing in remote areas

[Pierre Béland]

Hi all, 

we are requested to help to locate official and potential helicopters landing 
to help for the relief of remote areas in the mountains. This is not an easy 
job and we ask again for experienced contributors that can play with the 
various Image layers and evaluate helicopters landing.
See the pilote task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1023

Once this crowdsourcing effort, it will be reviewed by experts.
Thanks for your great response over the last week. And Yes, already a week 
responding to this emergency. 
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Re: [HOT] Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace helicopter landing in remote areas

[Pierre Béland]

I forgot to say,
we have a great coordination on all these matters, defining objectives with 
Kathmandu Living Labs, writing instructions, looking at imagery.
As the Asia day shift is starting, I pass the relay to Nirab Pudasaini who will 
answer questions about these Task manager jobs northern of Nepal. Maning is 
also greatly supporting us in the Asia daily shift contributing also to the 
coordination.

this is for me a good night.Cheer to all. 
 
Pierre 

  De : Pierre Béland 
 À : HOT Openstreetmap  
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 20h36
 Objet : Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace 
helicopter landing in remote areas
   
Hi all, 

we are requested to help to locate official and potential helicopters landing 
to help for the relief of remote areas in the mountains. This is not an easy 
job and we ask again for experienced contributors that can play with the 
various Image layers and evaluate helicopters landing.
See the pilote task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1023

Once this crowdsourcing effort, it will be reviewed by experts.
Thanks for your great response over the last week. And Yes, already a week 
responding to this emergency. 
regard 
 
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

[pmailkeey .]

Is that news article link still valid ?

On 1 May 2015 at 22:18, Robert Banick  wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across
> the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced
> person (IDP) camp data without attribution.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682
>
> Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears
> that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP
> damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps
> shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008.
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
>
> Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the
> derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and
> should be fixed.
>
> Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve
> written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are
> always quicker.
>
> Best,
> Robert
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[HOT] cannot load imagery into JOSM

[Zarazaga, Jessie]

Hi
I'm unable to load imagery from digital globe into JOSM. I was able to do so 
yesterday with remote control enabled. Today it is not loading. Is there a 
manual method to load the Digital Globe imagery to enable me to work with the 
new areas? Can someone send instructions to those with mapping experience, but 
not OSM/JOSm experience. (see below- how do I load this?)
Thanks

THIS TASK IF FOR MORE EXPERIENCED MAPPERS
** Imagery source=Digital Globe, 2014-04-29
JOSM editor Modify / Parameters / WMS - TMS, + TMS 
tms:http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{zoom}.png

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Re: [HOT] [CrisisMappers] Re: [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal

[Michael Howden]

All - FYI you can check out Sahana's latest SitRep: 
http://sahanafoundation.org/nepal-earthquake-2015-sitrep-3/


Eric - I agree with Spike - now is not the right time for user research 
with these folks, but there's still plenty that can be done to help. 
Please get in touch with me and we can discuss how :)


Spike - Hi! Hope you're well :)

Regards

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On 2/05/15 4:01 am, Spike wrote:
I should perhaps have mentioned that please respond *direct* to *Eric 
Li* (cheng...@stanford.edu ) as he may 
well not be a member of this (which ever one "this" is) list.


Sorry

Spike

On Friday, 1 May 2015 15:45:44 UTC+1, Spike wrote:

Eric,

I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a
bit busy
currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk
may lurk.

Spike

On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote:
> From: *Eric Li* mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu> >>
>
> I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana
> Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that
would
> be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in
> obtaining contacts in the disaster management space.
>
> We are planning a user research study to better understand
different
> roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We
would
> like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following
> capacities:
>
>   * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer
>   * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for
his
> or her organization)
>   * Supplies / Shelter Provider
>   * HR Manager
>   * Volunteer Coordinator
>   * Field Volunteer
>
> If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to
participate
> in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email
address,
> job title and organization._
>
> For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or
other
> organizations involved in Nepal relief?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle)
>
>
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Re: [HOT] cannot load imagery into JOSM

[Emir Hartato]

Hello,

Yes you can load it manually.
Open JOSM, under imagery menu > imagery preferences

There is a small TMS icon with "+" sign, click it and enter the URL.

Happy mapping!


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On 2 May 2015 at 08:58, Zarazaga, Jessie  wrote:

>  Hi
>
> I’m unable to load imagery from digital globe into JOSM. I was able to do
> so yesterday with remote control enabled. Today it is not loading. Is there
> a manual method to load the Digital Globe imagery to enable me to work with
> the new areas? Can someone send instructions to those with mapping
> experience, but not OSM/JOSm experience. (see below- how do I load this?)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> *THIS TASK IF FOR MORE EXPERIENCED MAPPERS*
>
> ** Imagery source=Digital Globe, 2014-04-29
>
> JOSM editor Modify / Parameters / WMS - TMS, + TMS tms:
> http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{zoom}.png
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas

[William Morris]

I've had some success on 1024 using the "verified" damage reports provided
by Tomnod. Here's a GPX for overlay use if anyone else wants to give it a
look.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n60czx7z71cjpvq/tomnod_043015.gpx?dl=0

My first impression is that it's a mixed bag. One point led me to some
pretty clear damage, but two others were farther away from settlements than
any offset would seem to account for. I'd be interested to hear if others
find it useful.

- Bill

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:32 AM Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Good news!
> After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today
> various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult
> conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to
> provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous
> efforts.
>
> Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a
> serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not
> have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides.
>
> See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024
>
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

[Mhairi O'Hara]

They caught wind and removed it!

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:37 PM, pmailkeey . 
wrote:

> Is that news article link still valid ?
>
> On 1 May 2015 at 22:18, Robert Banick  wrote:
>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across
>> the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced
>> person (IDP) camp data without attribution.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682
>>
>> Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it
>> appears that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for
>> IDP damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern
>> camps shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008.
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008
>>
>> Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the
>> derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and
>> should be fixed.
>>
>> Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve
>> written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are
>> always quicker.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>> —
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Re: [HOT] Nepal Data Quality and strange key:name like : "name"="building=yes" ( count=341 )

[Pat Tressel]

Imre has cleared up my confusion, so I want to make sure no-one was
confused by my confusion.  ;-)

The bad tag is the one with the equals sign in the value:
"name"="building=yes".
As Pierre says, good catch!

The table of other tags is from taginfo, and is just there for comparison
of the above strange tag, with tags that are already in use.

Sorry!

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