[ilugd] Fw: Shocking and Sad news.
Really shocking news. --- On Thu, 12/13/12, Kishore Bhargava wrote: From: Kishore Bhargava Subject: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 13, 2012, 1:00 AM 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur. People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively and humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles. Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very active member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected and extremely knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which he readily dispersed. Raj loved to have fun and encouraged everyone around him to do the same. He loved his food, his movies, his music and being with friends and family. A brilliant hacker and much respected for his pioneering work, he will be missed by one and all. Rest in peace, Raj "Oldmonk" Mathur. -- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] DSC Registration for efiling
It is really strange that the income tax seeks the private key besides the public. This in effect nullifies authenticity vis-a-vis the whole concept of digitally signing document/ e-return. This issue should certainly be raised with income tax officials. Kamal Dave Advocate On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > Anand Shankar said on Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:17:42AM +0530,: > > > Have any of you done your income tax efiling with digital signature? > > What is the cost of a signature authentication from a > what-are-those-guys-called? > > > Strangely it asks you to register your digital signature certificate > > (DSC) before you proceed. > > That appears to be genuine that they want my CA certified Public Key > > and digital signature. > > > > What appears to be strange is that they are asking to upload the DSC > > through a .pfx file or the usb token. > > If u see the standards .pfx file is a pkcs12 file which contains the > > public key as well as the private key!! > > Am i wrong that innocent guys must have uploaded their private keys to > > the income tax department? > > Looks more like a case of misapplied standards - probably, non-free > apps on non-free OSes (obviously) do not comply with the standards. > > > > > I wish to stand corrected. > > -- > Mahesh T. Pai || > "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, > it is the illusion of knowledge." > --Stephen hawking > > ___ > Ilugd mailing list > Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
The interpretation referred by Sudhanwa is the distribution of copyrighted product. Legally speaking, Copyright in simpler term is a right over the intellectual property to prevent reproducing copyrighted work without the permission of the person who creates the Intellectual Property/work or any person who acquires right over Intellectual Property; and Licence on other hand is permission to use the Intellectual Property in specified manner stipulated in Licence agreement. Licence agreement is the most necessary piece of legal instrument to protect individual's right over the intellectual property. Any person aggrieved from any violation of respective work or terms of agreement may initiate legal action against the breacher before the courts of law. Kamal Dave Advocate --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: > From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright > To: "Raj Mathur" > Cc: il...@frodo.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:32 PM > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj > Mathur > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty > wrote: > >> Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If > I write a piece > >> of code, or acquire copyright over it by some > other means, I can > >> choose to license it to whomever, under whatever > conditions I deem > >> fit. > >> > >> Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, > copyright has to do > >> with ownership, while a licence has to do with > what terms and > >> conditions that you allow other people to use > things under. > > > > Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of > eagle, but > > technically you may own copyright to a work without > having the rights > > to license it. For instance, when you write a book, > the copyright > > vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with > the publisher. > > I'm also not too clear on how that works, but > practically that's what > > you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing > rights with > > another. > > > > It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights > himself. > The publishing and distribution is another ball game. > > eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to > IlugD. > IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher. > Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies > may be > according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise > (academic, > commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on. > > As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor > can be > differeent entities having different roles and bound by > their > contracts with the concerned parties. > > I hope the situation is clear from this example. > > Regards, > -Sudhanwa > > ___ > Ilugd mailing list > Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [Freed] Fw: ILUG-D Elections on May 3 - Results
Dear Executive Body, Good luck to you. Kamal Dave --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Linux Lingam wrote: > dear all, > > best wishes and good cheer to all for their new or renewed > posts. > > regards > niyam > > > The 5 posts were filled unanimously in the following > manner: > > > > President: Kishore Bhargava - nominated by Andrew Lynn > > Vice President: Andrew Lynn - self-nominated > > Treasurer: Tirveni Yadav - nominated by Andrew Lynn > > General Secretary: Gora Mohanty - self-nominated > > Joint Secretary: Gaurav Mishra - nominated by Andrew > Lynn > > > > The election was followed by a discussion among those > present about > > ILUG-D's focus this year. Those observations will > be separately posted > > by Gora Mohanty. > > > > regards, > > > > Jyoti Bhargava > > jy...@jdesignlab.com > > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Second reminder: AGBM, and elections to ILUG-Delhi: Sun., May 3rd, 2pm, SIT-JNU
Hi Gora, Executive Body, I am to inform you that I would not be able to attend AGBM & and participate in elections scheduled to be held on 3rd May 2009 as I am out of Delhi. Kamal Dave > > Another reminder: I will send out one more before the > event. The elections, and the AGBM for ILUG-Delhi will > be held on Sun., 3rd May. You can nominate yourself, or > someone else as per the details below. It is also possible > to nominate oneself at the meeting itself. > > Please note that if you are at all interested in > ILUG-Delhi, > you should plan on being at the event, as the society might > undergo a major restructuring. > > Regards, > Gora > > --- > Hello everyone, > We will be having an annual general body meeting (AGBM), > and conducting elections to the governing board for ILUG- > Delhi at 2pm, Sun., 3rd May. Anyone needing a postal > notification should send me a request to that effect, > including your mailing address. > > The meeting will be at the School of Information > Technology, > Jawaharlal Nehru University (SIT, JNU). For directions, see > Area 5 on the map at > http://www.jnu.ac.in/main.asp?sendval=JNUCampus > Enter from the North Gate behind Munirka DDA flats, turn > left at > the T-point, and left again at the next T-point. The > building on > your right is the administration building which anyone > should be > able to direct you to. Turn in at the second right, and > turn > immediately left into the parking lot for the auditorium. > The > SIT is immediately behind the auditorium. Please feel free > to call > me at 9868527992 in case of any issues. > > The annual elections will also be held at this meeting, > with > Jyoti Bhargava , as the > election officer. > Please send mail to Jyoti if you are interested in > contesting > the elections. The available posts are: > President: > Treasurer: > Vice President: > General Secretary: > Joint Secretary: > Member (2 posts): > > Regards, > Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 71, Issue 9
Dear List, To the best of my understanding, A computer literate is a person atleast having knowledge & skill to operate and use computer & softwares for accessing, (including modifying, processing, saving data/ text/ files through respective softwares for wordprocessing, presentation, etc, playing audio, video etc), internet, etc irrespective of operating environment. Kamal Dave Advocate > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:41:29 +0530 > From: Anand Shankar > Subject: [ilugd] Definition for Computer Literate Person > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear List: > > Jokes apart, is there any agreed definition of what constitutes a > "Computer Literate" person? I know the definition can vary by context. > More specifically I am looking for a definition which can fit the > requirements of a modern enterprise executive who is in no way related > to Computers and IT. Looking for curriculum which have been > implemented, evaluation and quizes etc. Does it include exposure to > FOSS ? I think ideally it should focus more on the required skills and > more importantly is platform agnostic to the extent practical. > > One search led me to a credible link which I am studying > > http://www.ischool.washington.edu/mlis/literacyreqs.aspx > > anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] assistance in setting up reliance mg-880
Dear Vijay/List, Thanks for the necessary help. I was able to connect to net. Thanks for the necessary help. Kamal Dave --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Vijay Kakkar wrote: > From: Vijay Kakkar > Subject: Re: [ilugd] assistance in setting up reliance mg-880 > To: kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com, "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 1:51 PM > Hi > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM, kamal dave > wrote: > > > Dear Vijay/list, > > Thanks for the swift help, However, I am sorry to add > that in mandriva > > there is no wvdial hence wvdial.conf does not exist. > > > > Despite that i loaded wvdial rpm and tried to > configure but same could not > > be activated. > > > > Thanks again for the reference. I would however > appreciate if help could > > be initiated with reference to this. > > > > Kamal Dave > > > > this link will sure help u out as its is based on the > most linux distro > > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-544618.html > > if u still face any problem get back to the group i will > send you the bare > configuration > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Vijay Kakkar > wrote: > > > > > From: Vijay Kakkar > > > Subject: Re: [ilugd] assistance in setting up > reliance mg-880 > > > To: kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com, "The > Linux-Delhi mailing list" < > > ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:40 PM > > > Hi Kamal > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM, kamal dave > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > I have Mandriva 2008 spring edition > > > > I seek assistance in configuring reliance > usb modem > > > > the modem gets recognised as output in > > > > /proc/bus/usb/devices > > > > Output: > > > > ….. > > > > ….. > > > > > > > > T: Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 > Dev#= 6 > > > Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > > > > D: Ver= 1.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 > Prot=00 MxPS=16 > > > #Cfgs= 1 > > > > P: Vendor=19d2 ProdID=fffd Rev= 0.00 > > > > S: Manufacturer=ZTE, Incorporated > > > > S: Product=ZTE CDMA Tech > > > > S: SerialNumber=Serial Number > > > > C:* #Ifs= 3 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=100mA > > > > I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) > Sub=ff Prot=ff > > > Driver=(none) > > > > E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 16 > Ivl=128ms > > > > E: Ad=8a(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > E: Ad=0b(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > I:* If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) > Sub=ff Prot=ff > > > Driver=(none) > > > > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > E: Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > I:* If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) > Sub=ff Prot=ff > > > Driver=(none) > > > > E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > E: Ad=05(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > > > > > ….. > > > > > > > > I have tried to configure reliance mg- 880 > in KPPP > > > > the device gets recognised as > > > > > > > > /dev/modem > > > > > > > > there i mentioned the phone number/ password > > > > & dial string in dialer box > > > > > > > > #777 > > > > > > > > but when i say connect it gives output > > > > > > > > modem is busy > > > > > > > > > > > > but still unable to do configure > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kamal Dave > > > > > > > > > I am also using the same Reliance Data card,and > its > > > working fine for me,i > > > searched once on the internet and found one very > useful > > > URL > > > > > > please visit the below URL ,i hope it will solve > your > > > problem > > > > > > > http://www.rimweb.in/forums/index.php?showtopic=5821 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > ilugd mailinglist -- > ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > > > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > > Archives at: > > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > > - ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] assistance in setting up reliance mg-880
Dear Vijay/list, Thanks for the swift help, However, I am sorry to add that in mandriva there is no wvdial hence wvdial.conf does not exist. Despite that i loaded wvdial rpm and tried to configure but same could not be activated. Thanks again for the reference. I would however appreciate if help could be initiated with reference to this. Kamal Dave --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Vijay Kakkar wrote: > From: Vijay Kakkar > Subject: Re: [ilugd] assistance in setting up reliance mg-880 > To: kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com, "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:40 PM > Hi Kamal > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM, kamal dave > wrote: > > > Hi list, > > > > I have Mandriva 2008 spring edition > > I seek assistance in configuring reliance usb modem > > the modem gets recognised as output in > > /proc/bus/usb/devices > > Output: > > ….. > > ….. > > > > T: Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 6 > Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > > D: Ver= 1.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=16 > #Cfgs= 1 > > P: Vendor=19d2 ProdID=fffd Rev= 0.00 > > S: Manufacturer=ZTE, Incorporated > > S: Product=ZTE CDMA Tech > > S: SerialNumber=Serial Number > > C:* #Ifs= 3 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=100mA > > I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff > Driver=(none) > > E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 16 Ivl=128ms > > E: Ad=8a(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > E: Ad=0b(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > I:* If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff > Driver=(none) > > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > E: Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > I:* If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff > Driver=(none) > > E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > E: Ad=05(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > ….. > > > > I have tried to configure reliance mg- 880 in KPPP > > the device gets recognised as > > > > /dev/modem > > > > there i mentioned the phone number/ password > > & dial string in dialer box > > > > #777 > > > > but when i say connect it gives output > > > > modem is busy > > > > > > but still unable to do configure > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kamal Dave > > > I am also using the same Reliance Data card,and its > working fine for me,i > searched once on the internet and found one very useful > URL > > please visit the below URL ,i hope it will solve your > problem > > http://www.rimweb.in/forums/index.php?showtopic=5821 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > > -- > Warm Regards, > Vijay Kakkar, MCSA,RHCE,RHCI,RHCX > Technical Consultant Global Learning Services > Red Hat India Pvt. Ltd. > Web:<http://www.in.redhat.com/training> ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] assistance in setting up reliance mg-880
Hi list, I have Mandriva 2008 spring edition I seek assistance in configuring reliance usb modem the modem gets recognised as output in /proc/bus/usb/devices Output: ….. ….. T: Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 6 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=16 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=19d2 ProdID=fffd Rev= 0.00 S: Manufacturer=ZTE, Incorporated S: Product=ZTE CDMA Tech S: SerialNumber=Serial Number C:* #Ifs= 3 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=100mA I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 16 Ivl=128ms E: Ad=8a(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=0b(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms I:* If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms I:* If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=05(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms ….. I have tried to configure reliance mg- 880 in KPPP the device gets recognised as /dev/modem there i mentioned the phone number/ password & dial string in dialer box #777 but when i say connect it gives output modem is busy but still unable to do configure Thanks Kamal Dave ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 62, Issue 25
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:20:49 +0530 From: Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: > On Wednesday 14 May 2008, Manish wrote: > > [snip] > > > It's not Microsoft who is supposed to refund but the reseller (as I > > understand from the license.) Besides the license asks to contact > > the "manufacturer or installer", if you do not agree to the license, > > "to determine their return policy for a refund or credit". And then > > they tell you that the policy is to not refund. How contrivedly > > convenient. > > Ah, then you're very much within your rights to get a refund or credit. > After all, they can't blame you for following the instructions on the > licence itself! I certainly hope so. > As a multitude of other people on this list have pointed out, the > consumer courts are probably the best place to take this issue to. > However, I'd let the vendor know that I was planning to approach the > consumer court beforehand, to give them a chance to be > gentlemen/gentlewomen/gentlepersons-of-indeterminate-gender, play nice > and refund the money before their name gets dragged in the mud. I have just been told not to waste their and my time about pursuing this further with them since "The management have made the decision, and we are not refunding you for the Operating System. This decision is final." I have told them that I intend to take this issue to Indian consumer court and have also requested them to share their Indian correspondence address so that a legal notice can be served on them. > On a side note, if this becomes common I wonder what changes MS is going > to make in their licence? :) Will they remove the ``if you do not > agree'' section altogether? Or are they required by law to keep it > there? None whatsoever. I suspect the clause exists because of US law and not because Indian law requires it which is why they sound so confident about brushing it off. Hence my repeated suspicion if it is binding under Indian law. Guess there's only one way to find out. > IANAL, TINLA. Ack. -- Manish == Manish/ List Under the Consumer protection act, action can be initiated against such bundling for the benefit of all, [As per section 2 (c) (i) "complaint" means any allegation in writing made by a complainant that— an unfair trade practice or a restrictive trade practice has been adopted by any trader or service provider; and as per section 2(nnn)Restrictive Trade practice is (nnn)“restrictive trade practice” means a trade practice which tends to bring about manipulation of price or conditions of delivery or to affect flow of supplies in the market relating to goods or services in such a manner as to impose on the consumers unjustified costs or restrictions and shall include— (a) delay beyond the period agreed to by a trader in supply of such goods or in providing the services which has led or is likely to lead to rise in the price; (b) any trade practice which requires a consumer to buy, hire or avail of any goods or, as the case may be, services as condition precedent to buying, hiring or availing of other goods or services;] Therefore action under consumer protection act be initiated. No lawyer is needed in contesting the case, so you can choose the forum where you wish to initiate proceedings. Civil Courts and as also said by Sudev, you can alternatively go before the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Commission with your complaint. Kamal Dave Advocate _ Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 62, Issue 20
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:13:31 +0530 From: Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2008/5/13 Manish > > > > > Is the practice of "tying" or "bundling" illegal under Indian laws? Do > > we have any lawyers on the list? Should this be taken up in consumer > > court or elsewhere? Suggestions please. > > > Consumer court is better. Haing dealt with them in past as a defendant > I think if you can raise the hackles of judge in your sympathy they > can really push the defendants. Plus it gives you additional platform > to appeal in case of adverse judgement. > Caution I am not a lawyer. Thanks. What I am beginning to wonder is if it's okay under Indian law to bundle products (that too from different companies.) Feels like arm twisting to me.. and it hurts. But if it's okay under law then I am not sure I have a case. I am sure many people on the list have bought notebooks and use GNU/Linux exclusively; why have they taken it lying down? (Or perhaps they dual boot in secret. :-p) Any pointers/links to how one should prepare the case for consumer court? Is a lawyer required? Who (and when) will send notice to Lenovo? Sorry for too many questions. :-/ -- Manish === Apology to for sending half message. This is complete message. Dear Manish, This is an unfair trade practice, and it can be challenged before in courts : both before Consumer Court as well as under Civil Law. You need to choose your course. A legal notice properly drafted needs to be sent to the M$ for the refund. You are free to return on this matter for any further or other advice Kamal Dave Advocate _ Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 62, Issue 20
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:13:31 +0530 From: Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2008/5/13 Manish > > > > > Is the practice of "tying" or "bundling" illegal under Indian laws? Do > > we have any lawyers on the list? Should this be taken up in consumer > > court or elsewhere? Suggestions please. > > > Consumer court is better. Haing dealt with them in past as a defendant > I think if you can raise the hackles of judge in your sympathy they > can really push the defendants. Plus it gives you additional platform > to appeal in case of adverse judgement. > Caution I am not a lawyer. Thanks. What I am beginning to wonder is if it's okay under Indian law to bundle products (that too from different companies.) Feels like arm twisting to me.. and it hurts. But if it's okay under law then I am not sure I have a case. I am sure many people on the list have bought notebooks and use GNU/Linux exclusively; why have they taken it lying down? (Or perhaps they dual boot in secret. :-p) Any pointers/links to how one should prepare the case for consumer court? Is a lawyer required? Who (and when) will send notice to Lenovo? Sorry for too many questions. :-/ -- Manish Dear Manish, This is an unfair trade practice, and it can be challenged before in courts : both before Consumer Court as well as under Civil Law. You need to choose your course. A legal notice properly drafted needs to be sent to the _ Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Invitation for a talk at NSIT
Hi Deepank, Thanks for extending the invitation. I would certainly look forward for the fest. Kamal Dave Advocate & Legal Advisor --- Deepank Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually if your senior gives you permission to > copy his/her thesis > > > it's > > > not a copyright violation. It may, however, be > deprecated for other > > > reasons (plagiarism, etc.). > > > > if you have permission it is not plagiarism either > > These are precisely the things that we are mostly > unaware of and I > have myself seen the importance of quoting other > people's work and > getting to know about licenses under which the > material you are > quoting has been registered. Kamal can be the > perfect person to help > us know about various issues related to licenses. > > We are going to have a technical fest - Innovision > in the first week > of October at NSIT which would be attended by > college students from > all over NCR. It will be great if Kamal and other > people could come to > give talks on various issues related to open-source. > I along with some > of my classmates am also organising a Linux > Challenge for a second > year in the row. And some talks by eminent people > from ILUG would > perfectly complement it. I had a talk with Dr. Gora > and Gaurav about > it too and both of them were very interested in the > endeavour. > > I hope Kamal, Ajay and others would be able to spare > their time for it. > > Regards > Deepank > > > On 31/08/2007, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > On 31-Aug-07, at 8:09 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: > > > > > Actually if your senior gives you permission to > copy his/her thesis > > > it's > > > not a copyright violation. It may, however, be > deprecated for other > > > reasons (plagiarism, etc.). > > > > if you have permission it is not plagiarism either > > > > > > -- > > regards > > > > Kenneth Gonsalves > > Associate, NRC-FOSS > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, > 2007 > > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > -- > Eschew Obfuscation > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 52, Issue 23
Dear Gaurav, Raj, Kishore, I am unable to register at www.freed.in as the same points to improper site.I would like to give talks on "Legal issues pertaining to Opensource - Copyright, GNU GPL Version 3" Kamal Dave Advocate> --> > Message: 6> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:23:43 +0530> From: Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: [ilugd] [CROSS-POST] freed.in 2007 call for papers> To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Freedel is now freed.in! Paper submissions are now open, please see > bottom of mail for URL's.> > freed.in - New Delhi 2007 - September 28-29> > freed.in isn't just a Linux conference. It is a technical conference> about Free Software and related topics, held annually in New Delhi. We> invite submissions on any Free Software related subject; from Linux> and the BSDs to OpenOffice.org, from networking to audio-visual magic,> from deep hacks to Creative Commons. Important dates> > * Submissions open: July 15, 2007> * Submission deadline: August 13, 2007> * Email notifications from review committee: August 20, 2007> * Conference begins: September 28, 2007> > Presentations being accepted> > We are accepting proposals for two different types of presentation:> you can submit a proposal for a talk or a tutorial. If in doubt, you> want to submit a talk proposal rather than a tutorial proposal.> > Call for Papers> > Talks are the main part of the conference: a series of presentations> on Free Software related subjects. This year there will be 20-30> presentations. Presenters will be given a 50 minute slot, which> includes up to 10 minutes for questions.> > The main programme also has 8 tutorial slots. Tutorials are longer and> more interactive presentations, with slots lasting for 160 minutes,> giving the speaker time to interact with the audience. Proposals for> tutorials should be clear about the level of expertise required of the> audience.> > Most presentations and tutorials will be technical in nature, but> proposals for presentations on other aspects of Free Software and Free> Culture, such as educational and cultural aspects are welcome.> > Topics> > Submissions related to the following topics are welcome:> > * General Papers (very strict accept policy!)> * System Administration> * Collaboration and Communication> * Scientific and Research Tools> * Native Language Computing> * Legal Aspects of FLOSS> > The main site for the conference:> > http://freed.in/> > Conference registration and paper submission site:> > http://conf.freed.in/> > Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any questions.> > Regards,> > -- Raju> -- > Raj Mathur ? ? ? ? ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? http://kandalaya.org/> ? ? ? ?GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 ?0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It is the mind that moves> > > > -- _ Download the latest version of Windows Live Messenger NOW! http://get.live.com/en-ie/messenger/overview ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Invitation for a talk at NSIT
Hi Deepank, I can talk about legal issues relating to open source/ copyright that I would be covering in Freed.in. Thanks Kamal Dave --- Deepank Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > @Sudev : Thats great. > > @Gaurav : We would like to have the talk > concentrating on the methods > by which open source development is done and how we > as students can > involve ourselves with the open-source development. > Gaurav, you > yourself can give your example of how you got a job > with Dinesh in > United Villages through open-source. In addition to > that, Dr. Gora > will definitely want to talk about the localization > of Linux in Indian > languages. > > Regards > Deepank. > > > > > > > > On 30/08/2007, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30/08/2007, Deepank Gupta > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I, a student at NSIT, would like to invite ILUG > members for a talk on > > > Linux in general and freed in particular at NSIT > on 5th September, > > > Wednesday, 3:30 - 5:30 P.M. > > > > Good show Deepank. As we need to talk about Linux > + Freed.In we should > > restrict the numbers of "speechers" to two/three. > This way more > > colleges and institutions will get covered. > > Right now it is Gora, Gaurav and Niyam for NIST? > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > See you at 'Freed.in - freedom in technology & > software' - India's > > leading free and open source community event. 28- > 29 September 2007, > > New Delhi. Entry free, on first come basis. > Register at > > http://Freed.in > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, > 2007 > > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > -- > Eschew Obfuscation > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 > Archives at: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5
Hi All, In my opinion the decision to opt out has its god grounds but by not participating in the LA2007, there was an opportunity afforded to the MS to hack the cause of conference. It must always be understood the control over the conference schedules also was given to the MS for stating their point and in the ultimate the lug remained the looser. Due to the delay/deliemma, the thought of floating group for freelance software developer and developing profile of capable software developers too was co-presented by other persons, hence loss to the ilug-delhi. Kamal Dave _ Get up-to-date with movies, music and TV. Its happening on MSN Entertainment http://content.msn.co.in/Entertainment/Default ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 44, Issue 3
Dear Vivek & Vipul, Regarding the queries : a) He gets credit for the research b) Any one using the research paper as the basis for her research will give cerdit to original researcher and/or will make research available under simmilar license. These are governed by the copyright Act, 1957 passed by the parliament of India. With the rights in Act, the developer of the software (with strict condition that he originally conceived the idea & expression) has the right over the same and enjoys the exclusive right ver the same. Therefore the researcher can grant licence/permission to any person for use of the code with proper credit to the owner. Now if anybody infringes the condition then he can be sued and you can claim the damages for the same. Here the basic thing is that the idea/expression/software must by developed and published with these conditions. This can definately sove your problem. Kamal Dave Advocate -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ilugd] [maybe OT]research papers as open content To: Delhi Linux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi! all Some one please shed light on which Open Source/Creative Commons license is sutaible for publishing reasearch papers and white papers. The issue in question is how can a researcher ensures that a) He gets credit for the research b) Any one using the research paper as the basis for her research will give cerdit to original researcher and/or will make research available under simmilar license. regards VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... _ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
Dear Members, To introduce my self, I am an advocate & member of ilug-delhi and of Supreme Court Bar. Now proceeding to the topic, the requirement in e-filing of proprietary solution (Digital Signature) issued by the CA issued by the Ministries require all the condemnation since it promotes specific vendors with proprietary solutions. In this regard, in Linux-Asia, during the presentation by the Director, (Technology Interface)to the President Mr V Ponraj, I suggested to introduce solution under open source. Further I even sent an email addressed to the Hon'ble President of India. However, till date, I have not received any reply. In this regard, an action can be taken by the entire linux-delhi group by way of filing PIL. However, this requires certain preliminary steps to be taken. Firstly, a letter(preferred) & email be sent to the Ministry of IT, Ministry of Commerce & Industries, Ministry of Finance by the secretary. Then after a lapse of reasonable time for action taking, PIL can be filed by the Linux-Delhi group. I suggest that this action needs to be taken considering these facts. I am prepared and ready to provide any assistance including legal in this regard. Please Feel free to revert for initiating positive action in this regard. Thanks Kamal Dave Advocate +919810027396 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing (Sudev Barar)
Dear Members, Hi, I am new to discussion but like to know more. Thanks Kamal Dave Advocate ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FW: Suggestions to the Proposed amendments in the Information Technology act, 2000
Dear Sh Raju & group Linux-Delhi group members, Sub : Suggestions to the proposed amendments in the Information Technology Act, 2000 === Regarding the proposed amendments, I would like to draw the attentions of the members of the group and would like to apraise you of the suggestions/ analysis of the proposed amendments, that to my mind are necessary for a brain storming sessions for all of us. Since the matter relates to all of us. Thanks & Regards Kamal Dave Advocate = From: kamal dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], kam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Suggestions to the Proposed amendments in the Information Technology act, 2000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:59:15 -0700 (PDT) To, Respect Sh Dayanidhi Maran, Hon'ble Min for IT & Telecommunication Suggestions for the proposed Amendments to the Information Technology Act, 2005 === Dear Sir, Reference is made to the proposed amendments to the information technology Act, 2000. To beginwith, I hereby give my brief introduction. I am a practicing advocate, enrolled with Supreme Court Bar, New Delhi. I have studied the subject Electronic Commerce as I recently completed my Post Graduation in EDI/EC and during the said course carried out a project/ research on two topics viz two Project/ Research works/ case studies i.e. case study on the electronic commerce and electronic governance and its effects on new economic world order vis-à-vis corporate world in Indian context and case study to understand probable effects of cyber terrorism on new economic world order vis-à-vis corporate world in Indian context titled : Project I :"e-COMMERCE, e-GOVERNANCE, INTERNET - ADMINISTRATIVE & LEGAL FRAMEWORK/ INFRASTRUCTURE FOR EDI/E-COMMERCE AND CYBER TRADING" & Project II : "CYBER TERRORISM - A POTENTIAL THREAT". Thus I have fairly good knowledge about the subjects & topics since my study included an exhaustive analysis of the Act & Technology. I have gone through the proposed amendments in the Information Technology Act, 2000. I here with submit suggestion to some of the prominent amendments to the said Act for your perusal. Thanking You Kamal Dave Advocate __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Proposed Amendments to the Information Technology Act The government of India has proposed many amendments by the Information Technology (Amendment) Act, 2005. The government of India, owing to the recent spurt of cyber crimes & exposures, has proposed amendments to the Information Technology Act 2000. Amongst the proposed amendments, major are : 1. Provision for technology neutral authentication mechanism : The amendment Act provides for Electronic Signature (however it includes digital signature) instead of Digital Signature as a move towards for providing technology neutral authentication mechanism for authentication of electronic records. 2. Generalising/ Broadening the definition of Cyber offences to include more computer related offences viz. Cyber Crimes : Provision for including cyber crimes under the head computer related offences with penal punishment instead of hacking of the computer by broadening the definition of cyber crimes. 3. Reduced Punishment : Reduction of punishment for Cyber offences viz. punishment for computer related offences to imprisonment for one year or two years respectively and for publishing the pornography/ obscene matter on the electronic media to three years. Specific enhanced punishment for child pornography. 4. Provision for compounding of offences : Provision for compounding of offences even for matters pending prosecution/ adjudication before the court. 5. Exclusion of liability : Specific provision explicitly reducing the liability for offence committed by the intermediaries. 6. Introduced provision for punishment for Invading Privacy : Punishment for offence of unauthorizedly recording pictures/ photographs of persons thereby invading their privacy. 7. Provision for a authority/ body of expert of examiner of Electronic Evidence : Provision for a authority/ body of examiner of Electronic Evidence. 8. Reducing the burden on CCA : Reducing the burden on CCA (Controller of Certifying Authorities) by excluding it from being a repository for Digital Signatures issued by the CAs (Certifying Authorities). Analysis of the proposed amendments : The analysis to amendments as proposed by the Act are as follows : Analysis of Amendment 1 : Provision for technology neutral authentication mechanism : The step to have a technology neutral
Re: [ilugd] Your confirmation is required to join the Ilugd-announce mailinglist (02de14)
02de143b9f1e449616c1bb958e37856344a39c2d Dear Sir, I would like to join the list of announcements Thanks & regards Kamal Dave _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
