[LUTE] a new LuteList
The LSA in recognition of the wonderful service Wayne Cripps did with
hosting the lute email lists, has decided to host a follow up email
list.
The LSA list is for everyone, members or non-members. It is also
appropriate for discussions on all lute-family instruments and their
music: lutes, bandoras, citterns, theorbos, baroque guitars and
medieval lutes.
The list will eventually be housed on the new LSA web site but it will
take some time before it is up and running. However, until then there
is a temporary home allowing us to have the new email list in place
when Wayne retires his list.Oyur temporary LuteList will be transferred
to the LSA website when it is available.
We hope you join the new list and continue to enjoy the conversations.
How to subscribe and related details about the software:
* The temporary site uses "mailman," a well respected list
management software package.
* To subscribe send an email to
"[1]lutelist-requ...@groundsanddivisions.info" with the word
"subscribe" in the subject line. Note that the host is ".info". Or
if you want a digest, instead open
[2]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist and check
the "digest" box when you sign up.
* When you get a "please confirm" email back, the simplest thing is
to just reply. That should work almost all of the time.
* Once you confirm your subscription, you'll get an introductory
email with useful information. Save that email as it includes your
list password.
* The archives of this new list are available at
[3]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/private/lutelist/
* Please note that "mailman" has many options.
[4]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/options/lutelist/ is the web
page for you to login into in order to see and set the options.
* Detailed software documentation and answers to frequent questions
is available at
[5]https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member.pdf
* If there's something you are not clear about, send an email to
Nancy Carlin at [6]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com . If you have a technical
question email Jerry Carlin at [7]jerry.car...@gmail.com .
I hope to see you all on the new LuteList.
Nancy
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Nancy Carlin
Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA
[8]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org
PO Box 6499
Concord, CA 94524
USA
925 / 686-5800
[9]www.groundsanddivisions.info
[10]www.nancycarlinassociates.com
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References
1. mailto:lutelist-requ...@groundsanddivisions.info
2. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist
3. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/private/lutelist/
4. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/options/lutelist/
5. https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member.pdf
6. mailto:lsaq.edi...@gmail.com
7. mailto:jerry.car...@gmail.com
8. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/
9. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/
10. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lutes for sale list
The lute community thanks Wayne Cripps for all the years he provided this service - a lot of lutes were sold! He is retiring from this project and his list is closing down very soon. The Lute Society of America has added a Lutes For Sale list to a temporary website https://groundsanddivisions.info/lsa/lutesforsale.html . Anyone can add instruments to this list if they are sell a lute or other lute-family instruments. This is not the place to list classical guitars or viols. I you would like to add your instrument to the list read https://groundsanddivisions.info/lsa/lutesforsale_hereishow.html If you have questions email me at lutes4s...@gmail.com. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] This September--Paul O'Dette in concert
--0511CBC1E59526415F9EA14C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit See the note below about an online Paul O'Dette concert. Nancy Forwarded Message Subject:This September--Paul O'Dette in concert Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:30:46 -0400 From: Lydia Becker To: lsaq.edi...@gmail.com Hello Nancy, I hope this email finds you well! My name is Lydia and I am the administrative manager for NYS Baroque and Pegasus Early Music. I wanted to alert you to our upcoming season opening concert, featuring Paul O'Dette! I've copied and pasted more information: September 25 at 7:30pm and September 27 at 4:00pm Dowlandâs Grand Tour: /Paul OâDette, lute/ Our local world-renowned lutenist performs music of English lutenist John Dowland, as well as the music he encountered on his travels around Europe in the early 17th century. This event is hosted by Pegasus Early Music and NYS Baroque. Please check our websites (pegasusearlymusic.org <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpegasusearlymusic.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3swmq-ddDAG5MWS-nTJRKsJSsPwFnCC98YXOSsO89urt6SiHwkoR1nlgs&h=AT0oRAQvJkUgzhKsmHmgt9c02ievzIuK5Jhk8gEuo0lTYpyT2d19uJk91kP2Oj1AG-H6UKOyVSBHv9jtXEi93LItdTzzr3yzmVci34Olvb6Xn9y6V6htYqmJFMUmecH4IFZ0> or nysbaroque.com <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnysbaroque.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2caYekJxBas4DvhITIyHdV2ETZHAWPFjdPVBz278gFy2hqjE76UA-r8u4&h=AT1UG-0Ee19q4LK_FhI8sRjlKJo-NyPDk5aRsm2k7FFdq4O7TlzI0WILUgaPEvkDXFjDBnVoyEUhZ4GBQ5bTtvmK4PXbwkOWwrxDIMIRV7wwEZu89jllYrYgDTeQYL2CxVip>) closer to the concert date to find out how to access. All events will be online and free! Please note that weâll be paying our artists their professional performance fees, and donations will be gratefully accepted. If you could forward this to anyone who you think might be interested, that would be greatly appreciated! All my best, Lydia *Lydia Becker* | /Administrative Manager/ * * *Pegasus Early Music* 211 Cobbs Hill Drive Rochester, NY 14610 585-703-3990 www.PegasusEarlyMusic.org <http://www.pegasusearlymusic.org/> /Now in our 15th season! / * * *NYS Baroque* 333 The Parkway Ithaca, NY 14850 607-301-0604 www.nysbaroque.com <http://www.nysbaroque.com/> /Celebrating our 31st season!/ -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com --0511CBC1E59526415F9EA14C Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit See the note below about an online Paul O'Dette concert. Nancy Forwarded Message Subject: This September--Paul O'Dette in concert Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:30:46 -0400 From: Lydia Becker mailto:ly...@pegasusearlymusic.org";><ly...@pegasusearlymusic.org> To: mailto:lsaq.edi...@gmail.com";>lsaq.edi...@gmail.com Hello Nancy, I hope this email finds you well! My name is Lydia and I am the administrative manager for NYS Baroque and Pegasus Early Music. I wanted to alert you to our upcoming season opening concert, featuring Paul O'Dette! I've copied and pasted more information: September 25 at 7:30pm and September 27 at 4:00pm Dowlandâs Grand Tour: Paul OâDette, lute Our local world-renowned lutenist performs music of English lutenist John Dowland, as well as the music he encountered on his travels around Europe in the early 17th century. This event is hosted by Pegasus Early Music and NYS Baroque. Please check our websites (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpegasusearlymusic.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3swmq-ddDAG5MWS-nTJRKsJSsPwFnCC98YXOSsO89urt6SiHwkoR1nlgs&h=AT0oRAQvJkUgzhKsmHmgt9c02ievzIuK5Jhk8gEuo0lTYpyT2d19uJk91kP2Oj1AG-H6UKOyVSBHv9jtXEi93LItdTzzr3yzmVci34Olvb6Xn9y6V6htYqmJFMUmecH4IFZ0"; rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="text-decoration-line:none;outline:none;list-style:none;border-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;padding:0px;margin:0px;background-color:transparent;text-align:inherit;display:inline;box-sizing:border-box;font-family:inherit" moz-do-not-send="true">pegasusearlymusic.org or
[LUTE] Re: future of the lute
Howard is right about the graying of audiences and it's been talked about for years here in the US. I think one problem is that early music is the poor step-sister of "classical music" - a category that was solidified (along with ethnic, folk etc.) back when record stores started. It seems to me our music was the pop music of the day, with a bit of a division between music for use in church, court and things like popular ballad tunes. Currently I see a couple larger baroque orchestras and concert series moving past the baroque, but I also see some interesting series who explore putting on concerts in non-traditional venues, such as bars and coffee shops. We had an article by Deborah Fox a year or so in the Quarterly - about some of the things her Pegasus music is doing to encourage a younger audience. Stephen Stubbs in Seattle (Pacific Music Works) in Seattle is also doing this. I suspect that all this targeted music aimed to fill medium sized concert venues will change because of Covid-19. It will level the playing field and people will have found out it's very nice to listen to a well-produced concert on your TV (via YouTube). Recently I have listened to online lute concerts by Paul O'Dette, Ronn McFarlane and Brandon J Acker. In each of them there was no ticket price, just a suggestion to follow a link to donate on PayPal. None of those concerts took place in my part of the continent and I would not have heard them without the pandemic. I think this will continue even after we get our vaccine. The success of these kind of things will depend on things like Facebook spreading to work far and wide as well as people contiruting - Brandon Acker has done a great job getting lots of connections on Facebook, so has access to his potential audience. Nancy On Aug 27, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Is Milse Póg wrote: I am a young amateur lute player (just 21), so I guess I am a part of the next generation of players. I think the lute will continue to be played for the foreseeable future, since there's always someone strange enough to fall in love with the lute's music and sound, but it's sad to see little to no young people in ancient music and classical music concerts in general. Perhaps it has to do with the distance that has grown between contemporary composers and the general population, the former usually earning their bread through the academia. It has to do with classical music being a taste that listeners tend to acquire as they get older. Old listeners are replaced with lots of middle-aged listeners, and not so many young ones. Alarms about the “graying of the classical audience” have been sounded for decades, and in the USA probably peaked in 1988. The general manager of the public classical music station in Los Angeles came back from the Audience 88 conference that year convinced that classical music was dying and he had to wean the station away from it. He was gone within a year or so. The station was was playing Satie, Rossini and Beethoven this morning. It reminds me of the line in the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy that the galactic emperor is “nearly dead and has been for centuries." To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Hi Sarge - how are the fires up where you live? Did you have to evacuate this time? Nancy Sounds great, Nancy! --Sarge On 8/23/2020 8:33 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Thanks for all those years Wayne. I have found the list tremendously informative and useful and hope someone else will take it on. Nancy Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments
Orpharions and Bandoras are the main wire-strung instruments - I suspect they were more popular in the renaissance than they are in modern times. Citterns were also strung with wire. We just had an interesting article in the LSA Quarterly (translated from an article the German Lute Society published) on theorboed bandoras that were probably used as continuo instruments. These could possibly be related to wire-strung archlutes or theorboes - a topic that needs lots more research. I think there might be a few of these instruments that have pins to attach the strings rather than the usual lute-type bridges. Maybe some of the luthiers on the list can comment on them Nancy Dear collective wisdom, A friend of mine asked me about this topic. He would like to know If there is any literature or historical evidence, such as instruments in museums that used metal strings, mainly guitars, theorbos, lutes and archlutes. Thank you, Ricardo Arnt Enviado do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments
Orpharions and Bandoras are the main wire-strung instruments - I suspect they were more popular in the renaissance than they are in modern times. Citterns were also strung with wire. We just had an interesting article in the LSA Quarterly (translated from an article the German Lute Society published) on theorboed bandoras that were probably used as continuo instruments. These could possibly be related to wire-strung archlutes or theorboes - a topic that needs lots more research. I think there might be a few of these instruments that have pins to attach the strings rather than the usual lute-type bridges. Maybe some of the luthiers on the list can comment on them Nancy Dear collective wisdom, A friend of mine asked me about this topic. He would like to know If there is any literature or historical evidence, such as instruments in museums that used metal strings, mainly guitars, theorbos, lutes and archlutes. Thank you, Ricardo Arnt Enviado do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Lute in Nashville
Here is a note from LSA Rental Traffic Manager James Louder on our rental program: Waiting is difficult when you really want to play the lute! The LSA Lute Rental Program was already in the throes of some badly needed reorganization when the pandemic came along. Who could have guessed that the lockdown would be followed by a 10-fold increase rental requests? And who could have guessed that the newest fantasy drama series, Witchers, would feature a character that plays the lute! To be perfectly honest, the wave of new applications blindsided us and Lute Rental Program got seriously snowed-under. As I said, we have reorganized the program, a task that is ongoing. Now, with our Administrator being more free to concentrate on renters' applications, and our new Traffic Manager keeping the lutes on the move, we're getting things back on track. They are working overtime to process as many rentals as they can. If you are still waiting, know that we have not abandoned you! If you have any immediate questions or concerns about your rental application, please don't hesitate to contact Fiona Thistle Rental Manager [1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com James Louder Rental Traffic Manager [2]lsatrafficmana...@gmail.com Cathy Liddell LSA President lutesocietyamericapresident#gmail.com Would any kind soul within the orbit of Nashville TN have a renaissance lute they'd be willing to loan or rent to a student? There's a really motivated newcomer who's been learning on a capoed guitar who's just itching to get her hands on an actual lute. She's been waiting on the LSA rental program for months already and it looks like the backlog won't clear anytime soon. Message me privately if you can help out. Chris -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [4]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [5]www.groundsanddivisions.info [6]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. mailto:lsaluteren...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lsatrafficmana...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 5. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 6. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: Lute in Nashville
The LSA Lute Rental program has renaissance lutes available. More info on the website or email the James Louder LSA Rental Traffic Manager lsatrafficmana...@gmail.com Nancy Would any kind soul within the orbit of Nashville TN have a renaissance lute they'd be willing to loan or rent to a student? There's a really motivated newcomer who's been learning on a capoed guitar who's just itching to get her hands on an actual lute. She's been waiting on the LSA rental program for months already and it looks like the backlog won't clear anytime soon. Message me privately if you can help out. Chris -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[16]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.). >> >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a >> lute sound the way it does. >> >> Consider the following article for more >> >> [17]https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 >> >> Kind regards >> >> .. mark. >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >  -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:d...@dolcesfogato.com 9. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 10. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 12. https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_bracing.html 13. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 15. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 16. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 17. https://www.guitarsalon.com/blog/?p=1467 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: CD distribution
I agree with Danny - CD Baby does a good job. Nancy I have been very pleased with CDbaby. Submits to all the online stores (Apple, Amazon) and handles physical CD distribution. Very convenient to have all the revenue come aggregated from one source. Danny On Jan 24, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Roland Hogman <4lu...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear everyone, Which services do you use for your distribution of CD:s, both physically and digital. All the best Thank you Roland -- /Roland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Pierre Gaultier & Francois Richard
The LSA has just finished publishing all of Doug Towne's edition of Weiss's London manuscript and we plan to publish next Pierre Gaultier's Les Ouvres 1638 and Francois Richard's Airs de Cour, 1637 - also in editions made by Doug. We are looking for someone to write a short introductions to these 2 collections of music - where they fit into the world of lute music, etc. We are also looking for a couple of more people to write CD reviews. If you are interested in doing any of this please email me. Nancy Carlin -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Qui est l'heureux luthiste?
That looks like Eduardo Eguez. He will be on the faculty of the next LSA Cleveland Lute Fest this June. Nancy Who is the lucky lutenist in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3U1KVXku_o To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: bandora question
The music Harwood was probably thinking of was the solos in Dd.2.11. Aside from the difficulties for the left hand, another factor to consider is how it sounds. My experience is that some music works on the D bandors we have now if you don't play too fast and it they have most of the faster notes of the higher pitched strings. Fast running notes sound a bit off to me at the lower pitches. There are a couple of things that support the idea of smaller bandoras - in Harwood's booklet published by the English Lute Society he talks about the probability that what we call the Rose orpharion, was a bandora since there is lettering around the sides saying it is. That instrument if it were tuned like an orpharion would probably be turned to G. The second idea that supports a "tenor" bandora is the one about the Morley/Holmes consort lessons be designed for a higher pitch, so that the tenor part does not end up need a recorder or flute that is so big as to be unrealistic, or be played an octave higher than the notation. Nancy What is the current thinking on Ian Harwood's closing remarks on the bandora in New Grove? "...the technique required in the solo music is considerable, involving some extreme stretches for the left hand. It seems likely that such music would have been played on the smaller, high-pitched instruments, as much of it is virtually unplayable on bandoras of the sizes described and measured by Praetorius and Talbot." Harwood argues for the existence of a smaller bandora with a top course at D rather than A. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: courantes, corrantos, corrente's, etc.
Hi Sarge, I heard all of Santa Rosa was evacuated because of the fire a couple of days ago. Are you able to get back to your house now? I think there are various sub-styles of courantes and even a couple of instances where the same piece is called a courant in one source and a volte in another, but I can't remember where I saw that. Maybe what I might think of as a sub-style is just the difference between a Vallet stepwise variation and a Ballard brisee variation. Nancy Are there significant differences among courantes, corantos, correntes, etc.? It seems there must be at least a historical connection between them. --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, MD 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436 http://gerbode.net To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: LSA facsimile links
Please be patient with the LSA - we have had a few distractions, mostly getting our new treasurer up and running. We are currently fine tuning a lot of details about quite a big re-do of the website and fixing all those broken links will be front and center in that. Nancy Dear lute netters, 7 (seven) weeks ago I told the LSA about incorrect links to facsimiles on the Internet. Apparently nothing has been changed :( Most impressive... Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Dead links on LSA facsimile page
Hi Rainer & lute list people, I am glad to hear that you are enjoying having the LSA's old Microfilm Library online. I like it too and have spent quite a bit of time with various manuscripts. Those of you who are not current LSA members might not know that last year we posted c700 lute sources as part of our members only section of our website. I have found several broken links myself and we are currently looking for a volunteer lute musicologist to take on the job of fixing the links and adding additional sources to our library. If any of you are interested in the job please contact me at lsaq.edi...@gmail.com or our president Cathy Liddell at lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com Nancy Carlin Dear lute netters, I have used a tool to validate the links on the LSA facsimile links page. Can anybody tell me to whom I should an EXCEL sheet with the invalid URLs? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Requests for new projects
Hi Sarge, One manuscript I would really like to see is Brahe S-SC PB.fil.172 Per Brahe Skolotters Castle Library. Nancy Hello, everybody! Some random questions for you: I am continually looking for suggestions for stuff to add to my [1]website, so: 1. Has anyone got fronimo files squirreled away that are not already on my site that could be posted there? 2. I would like to ask if anyone has a burning need for something to be posted there that I could take on as a project. I want to solicit suggestions and then I could go with what is most needed. I have tended to prioritize German, then Italian tab sources, as many people do not read these easily. As I have moved away from performing and into editing, I have several lutes I would like to sell, mainly by van der Waals and Holst, but also an archlute by Dan Larson, a ren lute by Ian Harwood, and a couple of descant lutes. Not sure about the best approach, here. Occasional questions come up about arcane notations, particularly in German tab, so I may be asking questions about that as well. Thanks! --Sarge -- References 1. http://gerbode.net/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
Any LSA members have access to all our old Quarterlies and Journals on the website. Like the contents of our old Microfilm Library (now the Facsimiles Collection), this is available only to current LSA members, so we ask our members not to give articles like this away to non-members. For those of you who have not joined the LSA yet - the new member price is only $40. Nancy Dear Wayne, is this interview available somewhere? I cannot imagine that somebody reveals ALL his secrets, in particuar as most of the stuff is probalbly experiencing with body proprioception etc that cannot or only with great difficulties be written down. I would be thankful Franz Dr. Franz Mechsner Zum Kirschberg 40 D-14806 Belzig OT Borne +49(0)33841 441362 franz.mechs...@gmx.de Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 um 01:24 Uhr Von: "wayne lute" An: "lute net" Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute the 1991 LSA quarterly issue 2 has an interview with Julian Bream, where he exposes all his secrets! Wayne > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Franz Mechsner" > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute > Date: June 18, 2019 at 7:13:58 PM EDT > To: "Dan Winheld" > Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Dear Dan, > > Julian Bream actually pioneered lute playing very early. Watch > this beautiful movie on him that makes me smile (lute things come > somewhere in the > middle): [1][1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI > > Warm regards and best > Franz > > Dr. Franz Mechsner > Zum Kirschberg 40 > D-14806 Belzig OT Borne > +49(0)33841 441362 > franz.mechs...@gmx.de > > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 um 01:07 Uhr > Von: "Dan Winheld" > An: "Franz Mechsner" , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Julian Bream on Lute > Nope. Never heard of him. > On 6/18/2019 3:49 PM, Franz Mechsner wrote: >> Dear collective wisdom, >> >> I just heard some pieces played by admired guitarist Julian Bram on > the >> lute. It seems to me he played kind of classical guitar style on the >> lute. Strange, but It sounds wonderful to me, not only bold for the >> time. Does anyone understand how he played the (maybe special) lute > and >> produced the wonderful sound on a lute admittedly built for him? >> >> Best and curious >> Franz >> >> Dr. Franz Mechsner >> Zum Kirschberg 40 >> D-14806 Belzig OT Borne >> +49(0)33841 441362 >> franz.mechs...@gmx.de >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [2][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > References > > 1. [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI > 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdunh_wMCI 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Luthier question
The one lute builder/repairer that I know of in Southern California is Ron Hatchez - he is the brother of Dan Hatchez. Some of you who got your start in the lute with the help of Donna Curry will remember than she had Dan building student lutes for her new converts c1980. Ron is at r...@guitarsbyronhatchez.com Moving North a bit you should consider Mel Wong in San Francisco - another luthier who does excellent repair work - not all luthiers will do repairs, so the ones that do are worth their weight in gold at times. Mel is at mel.w...@sbcglobal.net Just South of San Francisco is Ken Brodkey, but I have not heard from him in a long time and he might have repaired by now. BUT I would not choose my luthier by geography, but insteasd on the merits of his lutes. Nancy Carlin Hi all, new to the list (and lutes in general),so forgive me if any of this is remedial (I did search the archives): - is this a good place to ask questions re: luthiery specific to lutes / theorbos? - are there other web forums that would be good resources? if there aren't, should we create one? - are there any lute builders in my neck of the woods (Los Angeles area)? Thanks - Brad -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
2 schrieb Martyn Hodgson <mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu"; target="_blank" href="mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu";>hodgsonmartyn@cs.dartmouth .edu>: Thank you ! for this Ranier. I t! hink we need to be very careful before accepting this (and similar plugs for non-equal temperament on plucked fretted instruments) as a wholly authoritative work on lute temperaments in the 16th & 17th Cs and which should, according to the author, be generally adopted in modern times. The dismissal of equal temperament, despite its clear advocacy in many early sources (see Lindley et al), seems largely to be founded on a prior prejudicial belief by the author that some form of unequal (probably meantone) temperament was the norm on lutes. Of course, a meantone tuning, if practicable, does indeed produce some more harmonious intervals (thirds in particular) than equal temperament and for keyboard instruments, where each semitone can be individually tempered, such a temperament was and is common. But on fretted instruments, where a fret has to serve for both chromatic and diatonic intervals, this can not always be the case. In advocating some general unequal temperament on the lute, the paper has recourse to the chimera of 'tastini' (and/or constant fret adjustments) which not only fa! il to be seen in the overwhelming majority of early representations, but were actively disparaged at the time (eg Galilei). The problems of tempering any fretted instrument are also evidenced very graphically in General Thompson's 1829 proposal for an enharmonic guitar (also one by Lacote) requiring around 300 different fret positions on the fingerboard - which then had to be reset on change of key. Similarly the idea that logarithms were absolutely necessary before the calculation of equal intervals to any reasonable degree of accuracy is simply not the case. Failure to consider tem! perament on similar plucked fretted instruments also presents potential bias in the paper. For example the use of sliding chord shapes on the early guitar (and to some extent the theorbo) necessarily requires a fretting pattern close to equal temperament. Similarly the focus on the 'old' lute tuning, ignores the special considerations which must be made for the new lute tunings (especially the Dm tuning) which require very good unison tuning to the next higher open course on three adjacent frets (third, fourth and fifth) - as frequently found in compositions for these instr! uments. No doubt in ! practice some fret adjustment may well have been made to sweeten the most awkward intervals in a particular piece or set/suite (for example to temper some common thirds) but to present this sort of thing as a proven case for the use of a formal general meantone temperament is, I suggest, misleading. Nevertheless, the paper does include some helpful information as well as another personal perspective. It is yet another useful addition to the expanding number of views about lute temperament, but one which I think needs to be itself tempered by a degree of healthy but positive! scepticism.. regards, Martyn ___ ___ From: Rainer <mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de"; target="_blank" href="mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de";>rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > To: Lute net <mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; target="_blank" href="mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu";>lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2018, 13:00 &nbs! p; Subject: [LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AN! D SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is well known: [1]https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/We ad%">https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wea d% 2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";>http://ww w.cs.dartmouth.edu/! ~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --References 1. https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/We ad">https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead , Adam (DM EMI).pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";>http://ww w.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas SchlegelEcks
[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
Can we put this link up on G and D Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics) I have no idea if this is well known: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
Sorry this went to the wrong place. Nancy Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics) I have no idea if this is well known: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cosens
This is available from the LSA Microfilm Library now. Cosens has some really nice music in it. My favorite is the Frog Galliard, with some interesting divisions. If you are OK waiting a bit the LSA is in the process of digitizing the whole Microfilm Library and it will be online and available to members. Since it's a big library this will take a while. If you are in a hurry you can borrow the microfilm from the library now and take it to a library with a microfilm reader. Some of the machines print pages, but I have also seen people taking pictures of the things on the screens with their phones. Nancy Is there available a good facsimile of Cosens lutebok (GB-Cu Add.3056)? The one available from Scribd is not all that clear (high contrast B/W), and I'm not sure it can be downloaded from the Cambridge U site. Any sources or ideas? Thanks, Leonard Williams -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Cleveland Lute Festival Classes
Here is a list of the classes that the LSA will offer at the Cleveland Lute Festival this June: Early Renaissance Ideas: A Humanist Fakebook (Crawford Young) The Rise of Ensemble Music (Young) Fantasias on a theme: Ballo del Gran Duca (Douglas Freundlich) Intabulators' round table (Freundlich) Baroque Lute Topics / Masterclass (Robert Barto) German tablature for beginners (Barto) French lute (and theorbo) music from chanson to Weiss (Liz Kenny) English Song 1597-1649 (Kenny) The Secrets of the Muses Revealed: The Fascinating Repertoire for 10-course lute (Paul O'Dette) Renaissance Lute Master Class (O'Dette) Bach and the Lute (Nigel North) The Good Accompanist (North) El cancionero de Palacio (Xavier Diaz-Latorre) Terpsichore (Diaz-Latorre) Fundamentals of Renaissance Lute Playing (Chris Morrongiello) Elizabethan & Jacobean Ballads & Popular Music (Morrongiello) Renaissance Lute Master Class (Ronn McFarlane) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources
I did not mean to imply that they were overcharging for making the digital files or even down the line the costs of making lovely websites with the music for us. There is probably a lot more demand for the flute or violin music they have than for the lute music. This is one reason why I am very excited about the LSA working on digital copies of the complete holdings of the old Microfilm Library, which will eventually be available online for any member to look at. Nancy This is an opportune moment to point out that libraries holding the manuscripts we would like to have access to are not sitting on them with bad intent just to spite the public. Nor do they make money on the small sum they charge for individual pages, which probably barely covers the cost of digitizing special orders. Digitizing materials takes a considerable amount of financial investment and effort. The libraries that have made their collections available thus far are typically supported with adequate government funding or private means of support. Reality check. RA __ From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2] on behalf of Nancy Carlin [3] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:58 PM To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources Thanks I have gotten the pages I need from Rainer - a good thing since it's expensive to get the scans they are offering in the note below. Maybe if enough people ask about it the library will eventually get around to making a digital copy, or maybe Tree will make an edition... Nancy > On 21/02/2018 01:23, Nancy Carlin wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has a pdf, or knows a link > for: > Johann Daniel Mylius Thesaurus Gratiarum (Frankfurt, 1622). > Lvov lute manuscript = RU-Lv Ms 1400/1 - Hans Kernstock c1655. > I found nice indexes of both of them in Julia Craig Mc-Feeley's > lists. > Nancy > > Dear Nancy, > In response to your post I sent an email to the library in Krakow > asking whether they planned to make a digital scan of the Mylius. I > attach their answer below. > Best, > Matthew > Dear Mr. Daillie, > in response to your e-mail we kindly inform you that the "Thesaurus > Gratiarum... Par Jean Daniel Mylivs, & c.", Mus. ant. pract G 140 [2] > due to particular priorities of our library is not included in the > current policy of cataloging and digitisation the library collection. > At the same time we wouId like to add that it is a possibility to make > the scans of the above-mentiones music old-print. Their cost depends on > resolution and other parameters such as jpg or tiff, format of the > original. > It is possible to make the scans in the following resolutions: > 300 ppi jpg (color): making one scan is 0.90 EUR > 300 ppi tiff (color): making one scan is 2.80 EUR > 600 ppi tiff (color): making one scan is 3.60 EUR > Please see: > [1][5]http://www.bj.uj.edu.pl/documents/4148353/135333180/cennik_oplat_ en. > pdf/f4f60014-2bfa-4abd-afb6-225de52372fa (JL materials from special > collections). > > The whole Mus. ant. pract. G 140 [2] contains 107 scans (one scan > includes one page, original format A4). > In case of order the scans we please indicate their parameters > (resolution: 300 or 600 ppi, jpg or tiff). > After acceptance by you the cost of the scans we will send you a > pro-forma invoice (via e-mail) with all necessary information. After > the payment we will send you the ordered scans recorded on CD > (traditional mail). So, please give us the address on which we could > issue an invoice and send the scans. > Information, if order is for institution (very importan): > At the same time we please send us the VATIN number to the appropriate > invoice that we send you along with the ordered scans. At the same time > we would like to add that if an institution does not have the VATIN > number we ask for information about its (VATIN number) absence directly > from that institution. > Yours sincerely, > Maà âgorzata Krzos > Music Collection Section > Special Collection Department > > Sekcja Zbiorów Muzycznych > Oddziaà â Zbiorów Specjalnych > Biblioteka Jagielloà âska > al. Mickiewicza 22 > 30-059 K
[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources
Thanks I have gotten the pages I need from Rainer - a good thing since it's expensive to get the scans they are offering in the note below. Maybe if enough people ask about it the library will eventually get around to making a digital copy, or maybe Tree will make an edition... Nancy On 21/02/2018 01:23, Nancy Carlin wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has a pdf, or knows a link for: Johann Daniel Mylius Thesaurus Gratiarum (Frankfurt, 1622). Lvov lute manuscript = RU-Lv Ms 1400/1 - Hans Kernstock c1655. I found nice indexes of both of them in Julia Craig Mc-Feeley's lists. Nancy Dear Nancy, In response to your post I sent an email to the library in Krakow asking whether they planned to make a digital scan of the Mylius. I attach their answer below. Best, Matthew Dear Mr. Daillie, in response to your e-mail we kindly inform you that the "Thesaurus Gratiarum... Par Jean Daniel Mylivs, & c.", Mus. ant. pract G 140 [2] due to particular priorities of our library is not included in the current policy of cataloging and digitisation the library collection. At the same time we wouId like to add that it is a possibility to make the scans of the above-mentiones music old-print. Their cost depends on resolution and other parameters such as jpg or tiff, format of the original. It is possible to make the scans in the following resolutions: 300 ppi jpg (color): making one scan is 0.90 EUR 300 ppi tiff (color): making one scan is 2.80 EUR 600 ppi tiff (color): making one scan is 3.60 EUR Please see: [1]http://www.bj.uj.edu.pl/documents/4148353/135333180/cennik_oplat_en. pdf/f4f60014-2bfa-4abd-afb6-225de52372fa (JL materials from special collections). The whole Mus. ant. pract. G 140 [2] contains 107 scans (one scan includes one page, original format A4). In case of order the scans we please indicate their parameters (resolution: 300 or 600 ppi, jpg or tiff). After acceptance by you the cost of the scans we will send you a pro-forma invoice (via e-mail) with all necessary information. After the payment we will send you the ordered scans recorded on CD (traditional mail). So, please give us the address on which we could issue an invoice and send the scans. Information, if order is for institution (very importan): At the same time we please send us the VATIN number to the appropriate invoice that we send you along with the ordered scans. At the same time we would like to add that if an institution does not have the VATIN number we ask for information about its (VATIN number) absence directly from that institution. Yours sincerely, Małgorzata Krzos Music Collection Section Special Collection Department Sekcja Zbiorów Muzycznych Oddział Zbiorów Specjalnych Biblioteka Jagiellońska al. Mickiewicza 22 30-059 Kraków Od: Jacek Partyka Wysłane: 22 lutego 2018 08:53 Do: Oddział Zbiorów Muzycznych Temat: PD: music publication enquiry Od: Jagiellońska Biblioteka Cyfrowa Wysłane: 22 lutego 2018 07:39 Do: Jacek Partyka Temat: Odp.: music publication enquiry Panie Jacku Przesyłam zapytanie czytelnika, pozdrawiam Anna Krzak -- References 1. http://www.bj.uj.edu.pl/documents/4148353/135333180/cennik_oplat_en.pdf/f4f60014-2bfa-4abd-afb6-225de52372fa To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Calligraphic wonder
You are right about that - all those nice red titles that are so easy to read. Why are some of them crossed out? Also the notation looks a bit different than some other manuscripts - there is a verticle line with 3 short strokes across it, that is probably a bass note - that I have not seen before. And what is the ^^ sign - it seems to link up a bass note and a melody note? Nancy Dear lute netters, this may be the best looking tablature manuscript that exists - at least in German tablature. http://dlib.gnm.de/item/Hs21977 Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet
I remember Paul O'Dette saying that Lyle was among the best of the renaissance composers, when talking about his ability to reconstruct missing parts of c1600 English music. Nancy Dear lute netters, I seem to remember that Lyle Nordstrom has "reconstructed" a duet part for a piece by Dowland (CLM 62 or 63?). I have no idea where to find that. Probably in an LSA newsletter or Journal. Does anybody know? Are there tables of contents on the LSA web site? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] looking for 2 lute sources
I was wondering if anyone on the list has a pdf, or knows a link for: Johann Daniel Mylius Thesaurus Gratiarum (Frankfurt, 1622). Lvov lute manuscript = RU-Lv Ms 1400/1 - Hans Kernstock c1655. I found nice indexes of both of them in Julia Craig Mc-Feeley's lists. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]
Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in the LSA Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern, which I believe is also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was studying musicology back c1970 I took a class on Montederdi and the professor had no idea what a theorbo really was and assumed that the theorboed cittern was just a mis-spelled chitarrone. I think Peter Forrester said in that article that he had built 2 of those theorboed citterns. Nancy Dear Alain, Perhaps Virgo is actually (Paolo) Virchi (1551 - 1610)? His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns Martyn --- --- From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata] To: Lute List <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Hi all, I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's Balletto del Ardito Gracioso (1616), a suite for 9 instruments, including 3 (arch)lutes and a citara tiorbata "cordatura del Signor Virgo). I am still struggling with the tuning of that instrument which was apparently more a cittern than a guitar. The Signor Virgo is nowhere to be found on the Net, otherwise I would ask him about his tuning I guess, but given his elusiveness I am wondering if one of you may be able to provide more information than I was able to gather already. See: [3]http://fandango.musickshandmad e.com/collections/preview/185. The instrumentation of that suite is definitely exotic : why would the double-strung harp (alpa doppia) play the same notes as the viola (da gamba presumably)? Happy Sunday, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~w bc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [5]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/collections/preview/185 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 7. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 8. https://mail.yahoo.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
Yes, I was the LSA's 2nd Microfilm Librarian back starting c1975, and I have a number of binders with paper copies made from films. Now if you want a black and white, readable version of Cherbury you can find it on Sarge Gerbode's website, but there are no concordances and you have to have a table, play from your computer screen or print it out. Meanwhile for those who love films and digital versions of lute music, plans are afoot for the whole LSA Microfilm Library to be digitized and available in the Members Only section of our website. If things go on schedule it could happen this Spring. Nancy Dear Nancy, Many years ago the only way to obtain copies of many of these MSs was to pay for a microfilm copy which the collections often then seemed willing to make. Some 20/30 years ago the late, and much missed, Donald Gill gave me a photocopy of Cherbury printed from such a microfilm. Legibility is not good but is quite passable under decent illumination. My point in mentioning this is that if a decent facsimile is not forthcoming shortly, then players could always explore this possibility. When I archived Donald's collection I didn't find this microfilm so presumably he borrowed a microfilm - perhaps from the Lute Society or Lute Society of America regards Martyn PS I also very much agree with Ron: I find paper copies superior to trying to read these things from a screen - also with the added advantage that I can turn corners over to mark pieces I find particularly notable and can pencil concordances and other observations in the margins. M. ______ From: Nancy Carlin [1] To: Ron Andrico [2]; [3]"lute...@aol.com" [4]; [5]"lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" [6] Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018, 18:54 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book Chris, I agree with Ron. I use both digital and book format music and have been waiting to buy the Cherbury ms since I first heard about it. I am especially interested in the noes and concordances. Nancy >Dear Chris: > >I'm writing in response to Hector's lute list posting on the subject of >the Herbert facsimile under consideration for publication. I would buy >the Lute Society facsimile edition, and would actively encourage others >to do so as well. > >There is a certain misconception that, because pdf facsimiles may be >readily available from libraries, there is no longer a need for, nor a >demand for, good quality printed editions of lute music. I have >observed that while lute players love to collect music, and also love >to get free music, there is simply no replacement for a well-designed >printed edition that includes essays on historical background and >concordances. > >I'll wager that most downloaded facsimile editions are simply archived >on hard drives and remain there unused. And as much as technophiles >love to tout the latest i-pad gizmos, nothing can replace real paper >music on a music stand. I'm not the only person who has observed that >information from a printed page is mentally processed much more >effectively than information on a backlit screen. > >Yes, please do what is necessary to advance the Herbert facsimile >project. > >Best wishes, > >Ron > __ > >From: [7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf >of Hector Sequera <[9]hectorl...@mac.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:55 PM >To: [10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book > >Good afternoon, >In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email >to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on >this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this >project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at: >[11]lute...@aol.com <[1]mailto:[12]lute...@aol.com> >Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list: > ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬"ââ¬" >1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE ââ¬" WOULD YOU BUY A COPY? > >We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the >Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the la
[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript.
>
> Best regards
>
> Matteo Turri
>
> On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
> edition.
> Rainer
> On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote:
>
> Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D
> G.
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer
> <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Have you received a reply?
> Rainer
> On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote:
> We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the
> following
> manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied
in
> pdf
> format
> and available via a free download or on CD.
> Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where
> necessary).
> As I understand it, it's either a free download for the
> pdf or
> £25 for
> the CD.
> I just sent them an email - we'll see.
> Matteo
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[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell
We are always happy to consider articles like this for the LSA
Quarterly, especially since in our recent survey people were requesting
more articles on renaissance music. Our requirements are that articles
not be already readily accessible on some website and we only rarely
publish something that has appeared , or will appear in another lute
society's publication. If you would like the article to be considered
please email it to
Nancy Carlin - General Editor lsaq.edi...@gmail.com
Sean Smith - Associate Editor lutesm...@gmail.com
Also the editor of the LSA Journal will be moving on to other projects
and we need to find a new editor. If you are interested in being
considered for this job please email me (Nancy) and
Doug Smith renl...@yahoo.com
Nancy
Thank you Jean-Marie! I will check that!
Any other suggestions on a lute or at least music associated site?
Thank you!!
Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> (idÃ…pont: 2018. jan. 17.,
Sze, 11:34) ezt Ãrta:
[2]https://www.academia.edu/ seems a good choice.
I look forward to reading your essay !
Best,
Jean-Marie Poirier
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>Dear Collected Wisdom,
>I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's
Farewell.
>My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development
and
>origins of the themes.
>I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of
scholarly/music
>articles.
>Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
>Thank you!
>Best regards,
>Katalin
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[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1614
I agree 100% THANK YOU!! Now if we could have just convinced Ballard to rethink is fonts - the c's and e's are really hard to tell apart. Nancy Thank you so much for the link and the download shortcut! Cheers, Leah On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Rainer and thanks Ralf. RA __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Ralf Mattes <[4]r...@mh-freiburg.de> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:41 PM To: Nancy Carlin Cc: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ballard 1614 Am Donnerstag, 11. Januar 2018 21:41 CET, Nancy Carlin <[5]na...@nancycarlinassociates.com> schrieb: > About that download button - can you tell those of us who don't read > Russian, how to do this? I've put up a download link of a combined version here: [1][6]https://glarean.mh-freiburg.de/seafile/d/ 2025ae20089942bd90aa/ Note: this link will be up for the next 10 days. Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at [2][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [3]Lute Mail list technical information [8]www.cs.dartmouth.edu How do I get on the lute mail list? To get on the mail list, send email with a Subject: of "subscribe" to [9]lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu and your name will be added to ... -- References 1. [10]https://glarean.mh-freiburg.de/seafile/d/ 2025ae20089942bd90aa/ 2. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 5. mailto:na...@nancycarlinassociates.com 6. https://glarean.mh-freiburg.de/seafile/d/2025ae20089942bd90aa/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ 9. mailto:lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. https://glarean.mh-freiburg.de/seafile/d/2025ae20089942bd90aa/ 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1614
About that download button - can you tell those of us who don't read Russian, how to do this? Nancy Thank you Rainer ! Wonderful indeed !!! Best, Jean-Marie -- Dear lute netters, as most of you probably know this books was been inaccessible for decades. It is on-line now: https://vivaldi.nlr.ru/bn10585/view Rainer PS There is even a download button :) Apparently you cannot download more than 10 pages at a time, though. Does anybody understand the error message? PPS The quality is good and the connection is fast. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Early Music life
why something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some talent and hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a disclaimer, I am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions, looking in from the outside. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo uth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwICaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp 9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt 90E&m=zLSUUnLA-CM0h9CGL2p3ZcEQaIF66KbYX69O72O_gzE&s=FzgyZfw29MD4UirX a5aFHV6UuLzftDiQdgDXANkxjnU&e= -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwICaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=zLSUUnLA-CM0h9CGL2p3ZcEQaIF66KbYX69O72O_gzE&s=FzgyZfw29MD4UirXa5aFHV6UuLzftDiQdgDXANkxjnU&e= -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola
Well you could be right - I had the story from Andy Irvine's mouth, back when I was his agent in the US. That must have been almost 18 years ago now. I must have forgotten how fast time flies. Nancy Am 07.12.2017 um 00:18 schrieb Nancy Carlin : yes, very much of a sidestep. That instrument was introduced to Irish music by Andy Irvine and Donnal Lunney something like 20 years ago. ??? while you're certainly right observing that the irish bouzuki is a rather recent addition to irish music 20 years seems rather too late. I'm pretty shure I heard bouzukis played by street musicians playing irish folk in the late 70th. Cheers, Ralf Mattes Nancy And not yet mentioned is the Irish Bouzouki, or the bouzouki proper. But it's perhaps a sidestep... G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola
yes, very much of a sidestep. That instrument was introduced to Irish music by Andy Irvine and Donnal Lunney something like 20 years ago. Nancy And not yet mentioned is the Irish Bouzouki, or the bouzouki proper. But it's perhaps a sidestep... G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
If you want to explore more Scottish lute music I recommend Balcarres. In the next LSA Quarterly I have an article that includes music from Balcarres. There will be more pieces in our new Figital Music Supplement, both in the original d-minor tuning and transcribed to 10-course vielle ton. Nancy Of course Da Milano, but if you have ten courses under the fingers, try the Scottish lute music, Rowallan, Straloch... ! V. > Message du 04/12/17 21:21 > De : "Tristan von Neumann" > A : "lutelist Net" > Copie à : > Objet : [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire > > Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists - > > what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability > combined with beauty? > So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the > Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands. > Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan. > Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did > this guy have six fingers on each hand?? > > What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover? > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Lute in university programs
Hi Jeff, There is a program that seems to be going very well at Oklahoma City University. The lute teacher is Kyle Patterson and some of his students are wonderful players (Joe Harris and Carey Morrow). Cathy Liddell teaches at Boston University. Nancy Hi, folks— I’m looking for information on undergrad music programs in the US that feature or focus on Early Music and include the lute. I know, of course, of the usual suspects of Indiana, Peabody and Eastman but I’m wondering about other less prestigious schools. I’d be interested, too, in hearing about BA programs (as opposed to BMus programs) in Music History or Musicology that would allow/encourage lute study/performance. I’m not looking for Classical Guitar programs that allow lute study or have instruments available for students to experiment with. Any thoughts? Thanks, jeff Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Welcome new board members to the LSA
As some of you know the LSA has just had an election and we are now welcoming 3 new board members: Kate Benessa, Douglas A Smith and Ronn MacFarlane. We also want to thank retiring board members: Caroline Usher, Travis Carey and Chris Wilke. Nancy Carlin -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Wolf Hall
Yes, I have a friend who is a retired airline pilot and he says similar things about scenes showing the wrong type of cokpits. Nancy I think it’s safe to say we pay attention to details of movies when they overlap our areas of specific interest. When I started doing optics I suddenly noticed that every characters' eyeglasses were of neutral power unless thick ones were part of the plot. It may not ruin the show but I mentally tally it and it always helps erode the Movie Magic. If it were a movie about eyeglasses, however related, I’d hope more attention were given. But I’d hardly expect it. I know, Suspension of Belief is important but I save that for the “faster than light travel” and “against all odds” tropes. Sean On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: It's not just music. A friend of mine who is something of an expert in historical costume has a thing or two to say about some horrors - though costume is sometimes done very well. Another friend who makes historical glass will tell you that film makers won't tolerate historical (clear) glass because it is invisible - so incorrectly tinted glass has to be used instead. But I agree the music thing is baffling - you'd think that even someone who knew nothing about music could do a bit of research to find music from the period, but apparently they don't bother, I suspect partly because they think of any music pre-1900 as being "medieval" so either they use anything at random from seven centuries of music of they simply use Elgar or Mozart instead. Actually I can see that using music which is totally "unhistorical" could be very atmospheric, referencing as it could the "progress" of human civilization - but maybe I'm asking too much here. M --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: How late was Ren Lute music performed?
One thing that has not been mentioned is looking at all those paintings with lutes in them. They say that in some cases the lute will be an old instrument that the artist keeps in their studio as a prop, but there is still a lot to be learned from the pictures. Nancy On 8/31/2017 5:32 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Dear Musicological Hive Mind: I have often heard it said that we are the first generation of lute players to play so many different instruments and tunings, from medieval to 6-13 courses to theorbo, archlute and romantic guitar. Obviously Dowland never played Weiss (unless he had a Tardis) but do we have any evidence for how long Renaissance lute music was played beyond the death of the composer? Would you ever hear a concert that combined Dowland with Blow or Purcell (to stay in one country)? Milano and Monteverdi? After the transition, would a performer own lutes both in d minor and viel ton tuning (aside from an archlute in Italy). If the answer is we don’t know beyond personal opinion, that’s fine but I’m curious as to any surviving evidence. Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Ballard's 2nd book
I am interested in Ballard's music - does anyone know of a place where I can see the facsimile online, or have a pdf file they could shre with me? Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Welde ms question
Is the Welde manuscript one of the Robert Spencer collection, so now transferred to the Royal College library? Or is it still owned by Lord Forrester? Does it have a ms number? Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: planetary tuners
I have Pegheds on 2 of my orpharions and love them! Nancy A question for the Collective Wisdom: Looking for opinions on planetary tuners for lutes or vihuelas, cautionary tales, where to get them, which brands, how to install etc. Thank ye all, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: composed for the lute?
All of this points up that they saw "copyright" completely differently than we do. I found Tessa Murry's book on THomas Morley really helpful in explaining the nuances of ownership of music in Elizabethan England. Nancy Dear Martin and all: Interesting point of view, and one that seems to be based upon the theme that if the surviving evidence is scant, then we are obliged to discount the premise. In in thesis, David Tayler posed a similar question of how much of the surviving music, mostly in manuscript form, can be firmly attributed to Dowland, and the answer was not much. Of course Dowland composed for the lute - and he sang and he most likely wore shoes although there is no firm evidence of any of the above. But anyone who wades through the "collected works" will detect a musical personality that emerges, mainly via signature riffs (such as the Lachrimae motif) and cadential events. Whether the actual notes written in ms or printed in his books were those Dowland meant to write, we'll never know for sure. We do know that all players took inspiration (or purloined tunes) from diverse sources and I think the question might be stated, "where did Dowland filch his source material for the surviving lute music that was written down mostly by others?" RA __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Martin Shepherd Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:01 PM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] composed for the lute? Hi all, You might find my latest blog interesting: [1]http://luteshop.co.uk/was-dowland-a-composer-of-lute-music/ Best wishes, Martin --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. [2]https://www.avast.com/antivirus To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://luteshop.co.uk/was-dowland-a-composer-of-lute-music/ 2. https://www.avast.com/antivirus 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Danzig 4022
I have been enjoying 10 course music for the last few years and one of my favorite manuscripts is the ML lute book. There is a lot of music in there by Surt and Robert Johnson. It's a great place to explore ornaments and is also very helpful because the right hand fingering is marked on almost everything. Another favorite manuscript of 10 course music is Prague G.IV.18 - the Rettenwert Ms. I have Fronimoed a lot of this and it's up on my website www.GroundsandDivisions.inco Julia Craig McFeely has a list of the concordances, even though it's not an English manuscript. Nancy Dear Collective Wisdom: I have grown so accustomed to easy access to catalogues and concordances in the baroque lute world thanks to Peter Steur’s excellent website that when I have a Ren Ms to query I feel lost. Specifically, is there a catalogue of the contents of the Danzig 4022 which I have been reading through as I enjoy my new 10 course? Lovely music, a couple of recent fine recordings and many tunes that sound familiar though marked anon. Was even surprised to find a version of the Piccinini Sarabande I just recently made a video of. So generally, is there a Ren lute manuscript resource similar to the Baroque site and specifically, does such a listing exist for the Danzig 4022 Thanks in advance Danny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] another note from Doug Smith
Pat O'Brien as Healer The late Patrick O'Brien was well known for his ability to help musicians who had lost part or all of their ability to play guitar or lute. In the context of the memorial edition of JLSA for Patrick O'Brien now in preparation, the editors would like to hear from former students who had come to him with significant or career-ending disabilities of the hands, and whose playing ability was restored by the New York maestro. How severe was the disability, what was its nature, and how did Patrick correct it? Unfortunately, Pat published no case studies of his successes that we know of, so this critical aspect of his career will remain almost totally obscure and lost to science unless his students step forward and tell their stories. The matter is particularly significant because recent articles on musicians' dystonia in neurology journals still seek solutions in brain wave studies, and state that the origins of the affliction are not well understood and that only a minority of patients ever regain normal ability. An article published in 2013 in a major medical journal declares in its abstract: "While the etiology and the neurological pathomechanism of the disease remain unknown, . . ." In other words, an awful lot of musicians have little hope of recovery. Wait a minute, we thought our Patrick figured out the origins decades ago and knew exactly how to get his students back on track. Please contact the Journal's Consulting Editor, Dr. Douglas Alton Smith, at: [1]renl...@yahoo.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [2]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. mailto:renl...@yahoo.com 2. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] a Pat O'Brien LSA Journal
I am forwarding a note from Doug Smith about the LSA Journal. Nancy The editors of the Journal of the Lute Society of America are preparing a memorial issue for the late Patrick O'Brien. In this context, they would like to include a bibliography of any articles large or small that Pat published in his lifetime. Lutenists or guitarists or friends of Pat's who know of such publications, particularly if you have copies of any of them, are invited to contact the Journal's Consulting Editor, Dr. Douglas Alton Smith, at the email address [1]renl...@yahoo.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [2]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. mailto:renl...@yahoo.com 2. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fall (vol. 34 no. 3) Not Yet Available
Yes, 1999 No. 3 existed. I have my personal copy that I got in the mail back then. It has a nice woodcut of 3 musicians (lute, harp and sackbut) showing the harp player using the lute case as a foot stool on the cover. You are correct about the problem with the title on 2001 No. 3. You are also correct about the double issue for Winter 2002. The 2002 No. 1 was the first one I did the layout on when I came back to work for the LSA. Sorry about the mistake on that cover. The double issues were an attempt to get back on schedule - and they also keep some of our rotating editors, with more material than will fit into a single issue, happy. They do give us problems with libraries and musicians who keep all their old issues through. If you are missing issues the LSA's back issue person is Anne Burns l...@reasonablefax.com Those of you with current LSA memberships will be able to see all of these old Quarterlies on our website as soon as we get everything sorted out - the website is new. If you want a paper copy ot digital versions of those missing Quarterlies contact Anne. Nancy Dear lute netters, according to the LSA web site the LSA Quarterly 1999, Fall (vol. 34 no. 3) is "Not Yet Available" Since I don't have a paper copy either I wonder if it ever existed. Does anybody know? Rainer adS PS Same for LSA Quarterly 2001 - Volume 36, Fall (vol. 36 no. 3) "Not Yet Available" I think this WAS published with the wrong title Volume XXXVI, No32, August 2002 Volume 36 was published in 2001 and this Quarterly contains announcements for November 2001 and February 2002. AND there is a Quarterly 2002/3&4 I remember well that the situation was chaotic in those years... PPS Under 2002 (on the website) we have as Fall (vol. 37 no. 3) the number 32 mentioned above. I think this one is the missing one under 2001. The "Winter (vol. 37 no 4) Not Yet Available" was probably published with the confusing title page Volume XXXVII, No. 3 & 4" August & November, 2002 (published June, 2003) Under 2003 we have "Spring (vol. 38 no. 1) Not Yet Available" I think this one was published as well with the nonsense title Volume XXXVIII, No. 1 August & November, 2002 (published October, 2003) Then "Spring (vol. 38 no. 1) Not Yet Available" is available as Volume XXXVIII, No. 2 & 3 May & August, 2003 (published December, 2003) I don't have Winter (vol. 38 no 4) + Spring (vol. 39 no. 1) (a single issue) Was it shipped? Looks like from here onward things are OK again. Could somebody please check? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] some music
I had a few minutes and put some new music up on my Grounds and Divisions website www.groundsanddivisions.info The new pieces are an arrangement for John Johnson's duet Short Almain for solo lute, Paul's Wharf from the Folger and an arrangement of the same tune from the Fitzwilliam VIrginal Book. Also since I have a new bandora there are 2 new bandora pieces: the Quardron Pavan and Galliard from Barley. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] check out google
The Google people have a really clever puzzle when you dial up a web page today. They have 3 Beethoven pieces where you have to put the measures of music in the right order to hear the music. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: those lute plans
Doug Smith asked me to post this response to Ed Dubrow's request for a Volume 2 to the Lute History book. Nancy Thanks for the vote of confidence, Ed, but it ain't gonna happen. There are too many other projects on my desk that for me are more engaging right now. Not by chance did I step down from the JLSA (Journal of the Lute Society of America) editorship. A History of the Lute in the Baroque Era might be a good dissertation topic for an analytically-minded PhD student of musicology, though it's broader than usual. The structural model exists. It's an almost guaranteed publication by a major press (Oxford or other univ. press) with little or no alteration right out of the chute if done right, unlike most PhD theses. I'd happily serve as an informal adviser, but other long-standing research and composition projects have my attention at this point. Doug Smith __ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] those lute plans
I've just had a note from Doug Smith about the lute plans he is giving away. He's already had 5 people contact him, wanting the plans, one of which will get them. He was really impressed with how quickly people got back to him. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute drawings
I've had a note from Doug Smith, who has recently relocated from Palo Alto California to Seattle Washington and has done a bit of house cleaning. He has some lute plans that he has no use for and is interested in finding someone who wants them. Below is a note from him. Nancy Douglas Alton Smith will be happy to donate full size drawings of the Warwick Frei lute and a 1678 Tielke theorboed lute to a luthier or other interested lute enthusiast who pays the shipping cost for the tube. Contact Dr. Smith at renl...@yahoo.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Help with finding music
Ronn McFarlane has Canaries from Straloch in his Mel Bay edition The Scottish Lute page 12 and 13. In addition to this edition he has another called The Highland King - both available on the Mel Bay web site. John Robinson has also tab for a lot of Canaries in one of the supplements to Lute News - you can get these from the Lute Society (England)'s web site. Nancy I'm trying to find the following sheet music in tablature? Canaries 1 & 2 from the Straloch lute book Heyduck Dance from the Codex Kajoni Thanks for any help! -- Peter A. Kwasniewski Wyoming Catholic College 306 Main Street, Lander, WY 82520 College offices: (307) 332-2930 My direct line: (307) 335-4418 Websites: [1]Wyoming Catholic College [2]The Aquinas Institute [3]Catholic Social Teaching [4]Sacred Music -- References 1. [1]http://www.wyomingcatholiccollege.com/ 2. [2]http://www.theaquinasinstitute.org/ 3. [3]http://www.thomasstorck.org/ 4. [4]http://www.ccwatershed.org/kwasniewski To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [6]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [7]www.groundsanddivisions.info [8]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://www.wyomingcatholiccollege.com/ 2. http://www.theaquinasinstitute.org/ 3. http://www.thomasstorck.org/ 4. http://www.ccwatershed.org/kwasniewski 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 7. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 8. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] link for G and D
Here's something for the links section List as Dd.9.33 http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-DD-9-00033/1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: John come kiss me now
Julia Craig-McFeely lists 3 manuscripts with this in it Cosens 69v-70v ML 11v-12 Welde 10v-11 - a duet part The ML and Cosens are almost the same except for all the ornaments in the ML version. The Cosens version is on Sarge Gerbode's website. Nancy Can someone direct me to the source of this title as played by O'Dette on the album 'Robin Hood'? Thanks! Sterling -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Terry Schumacher
Hi Ed, Here is what I have lute...@aol.com Let me know if it doesn't work - I don't want to give the wrong info out to the next person. Nancy Anyone know Terry Schumacher’s email address? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Off to the Baroque
Trinity O.16.2 is in the microfilm library, but not in the catalog yet. It's one of the films that were given to the LSA when musicologist John Ward cleaned house and got rid of things he was not going to use again. There is a list of all those films in an old Quarterly. Nancy Hi Nancy, Dd.4.22 is available here: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-DD-4-00022/1 Also, can you let us know how to get Trinity O.16.2 from the LSA library? I cannot find it in the microfilm catalog. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:21 AM To: Omer Katzir; List LUTELIST Subject: [LUTE] Re: Off to the Baroque I have spent the last couple of years exploring 10 course music. There are some really nice pieces from the Rettenwert manuscript available on my Grounds and Divisions web site at http://groundsanddivisions.info/rettenwert.html My other favorite manuscripts are: ML Lute Book - it used to be called the "Sturt" Lute Book and is a great source of info on right hand fingering and ornaments. It is available on Sarge Gerbode's web site at http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/british_library/BL_MS_Add_38539_john_sturt_lut e_book/ Dd.4.22 - also English music with lots of ornaments You can get this one from the LSA Microfilm Library Trinity O.16.2 - More English music with some unusual ornament signs. I borrowed a digital version from the LSA Microfilm Library Nancy Guitar - Check Renaissance Lute - Check Baroque - todo Had an amazing recital with Francesca, my very sexy 7 course. Luis Milan, Francesco de Milano, Dalza Nuesidler and more, was a great fun.A Now it is time to put my 10 course into use (until now I just played for myself with her) I have couple of pieces, well, only 3 pieces really (all others are by Ballard) Including Passacallie by Gallot and two preludes by Mertel. So of course I will like your recommendation again, which pieces do you think will be great for first time performing with 10 course, and people can connect to (This specific group of people never heard a lute before, or early music before I came)A So thank you all again! -- Omer Katzir The Silent Troubadour [1]http://omerkatzir.com -- References 1. http://omerkatzir.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Off to the Baroque
I have spent the last couple of years exploring 10 course music. There are some really nice pieces from the Rettenwert manuscript available on my Grounds and Divisions web site at http://groundsanddivisions.info/rettenwert.html My other favorite manuscripts are: ML Lute Book - it used to be called the "Sturt" Lute Book and is a great source of info on right hand fingering and ornaments. It is available on Sarge Gerbode's web site at http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/british_library/BL_MS_Add_38539_john_sturt_lute_book/ Dd.4.22 - also English music with lots of ornaments You can get this one from the LSA Microfilm Library Trinity O.16.2 - More English music with some unusual ornament signs. I borrowed a digital version from the LSA Microfilm Library Nancy Guitar - Check Renaissance Lute - Check Baroque - todo Had an amazing recital with Francesca, my very sexy 7 course. Luis Milan, Francesco de Milano, Dalza Nuesidler and more, was a great fun.A Now it is time to put my 10 course into use (until now I just played for myself with her) I have couple of pieces, well, only 3 pieces really (all others are by Ballard) Including Passacallie by Gallot and two preludes by Mertel. So of course I will like your recommendation again, which pieces do you think will be great for first time performing with 10 course, and people can connect to (This specific group of people never heard a lute before, or early music before I came)A So thank you all again! -- Omer Katzir The Silent Troubadour [1]http://omerkatzir.com -- References 1. http://omerkatzir.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] BBC and Lute News
A friend sent me a link to the BBC comedy spoof news panel program "Have I Got News for You"? Each week it includes a game based on some obscure serial publication and this week (Series 49: Episode 4) they chose Lute News. You can watch it on iPlayer. [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05t66s3/have-i-got-news-for-yo u-series-49-episode-4 Since the BBC has their web site fixed so those of us outside the US can't see this, can anyone tell me what they said? Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [2]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org lute PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05t66s3/have-i-got-news-for-you-series-49-episode-4 2. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] John Renbourn
Some of you probably know that John Renbourn died a couple of days ago. His music encouraged a number of lute players, including me, to learn to play the lute. The LSA ran an interview with him in the Quarterly several years back. If anyone would like a copy, email me with a street address and I'll mail one to you. Nancy Carlin -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Why bother?
oops - I meant the article was by RIck. Nancy Sounds great, Nancy - I wasn't aware that Rick Falkenstein wrote Fronimo dialogo. He must be really old by now. RA > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:17:46 -0800 > To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: [2]na...@nancycarlinassociates.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Why bother? > > Those of you interested in Willaert on the lute and intabulations will > like the next LSA Journal. I have been working on the layout and it's > not quite done yet. Most of it is a long article comparing details of > intabulations in Vincenzo Galilei's Libro Primo and Fronimo dialogo by > Rick Falkenstein. > Nancy > > > > "Zarlino & Starker"... sounds like a Transalpine law firm > > > > The Adriano Willaert story (He is an old fave, of course. I intabbed > > his "Recercar Decimo" from the old HAM book decades ago, became a > > 6-course staple in my repertoire) reminds me of a BBC mystery episode > > in which a painting by a famous artist turns out to be by another- > > and the owner has to face the fact that the picture that had been > > giving him great pleasure for years is now no longer what he thought > > it was, but only in one sense- and nevertheless was still the same > > picture; & if he loved it- as a work of art- there was no earthly > > reason why he could not continue to love it. > > > > But I do remember being disturbed the first time that I became aware > > of musicological mutterings that "Mille Regretz" ALSO might not be by > > Josquin! Believing it to be by Josquin did seem to inform at least > > part of my enjoyment of the piece- which of course I still value & > > play, not only in the fine Narvaez & Hans Neusidler intabs but also my > > own bare bones direct intab- which often precedes my playing one of > > the elaborated versions. Seems that a number of "Josquin" pieces are > > turning out not to be by the Master- or not by that master, anyway. > > But at least, unlike Shakespeare, his very existence is not yet in > > question. > > > > Your last quote? That Janos Starker guy did seem to be pretty addicted > > to music. Not much hope for a cure, it's usually terminal. And he > > shamelessly played the works of other addicts! > > > > We would appreciate it if you would send about 12 feet of your snow > > out here to Californian. Our ski slopes & reservoirs could use a > > little help. Anyway, keep an eye on your roof... > > > > Dan > > > > On 11/22/2014 10:02 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > >> We have posted our quotes for today, this week from Zarlino and > >> Starker. > >> [1][3]http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 > >> Ron & Donna > >> > >> -- > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. [4]http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Nancy Carlin > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA > [6]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org > > PO Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 > USA > 925 / 686-5800 > > [7]www.groundsanddivisions.info > [8]www.nancycarlinassociates.com > > -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [9]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [10]www.groundsanddivisions.info [11]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:na...@nancycarlinassociates.com 3. http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 4. http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 7. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 8. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 9. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 10. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 11. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: Saturday quotes - Why bother?
Those of you interested in Willaert on the lute and intabulations will like the next LSA Journal. I have been working on the layout and it's not quite done yet. Most of it is a long article comparing details of intabulations in Vincenzo Galilei's Libro Primo and Fronimo dialogo by Rick Falkenstein. Nancy "Zarlino & Starker"... sounds like a Transalpine law firm The Adriano Willaert story (He is an old fave, of course. I intabbed his "Recercar Decimo" from the old HAM book decades ago, became a 6-course staple in my repertoire) reminds me of a BBC mystery episode in which a painting by a famous artist turns out to be by another- and the owner has to face the fact that the picture that had been giving him great pleasure for years is now no longer what he thought it was, but only in one sense- and nevertheless was still the same picture; & if he loved it- as a work of art- there was no earthly reason why he could not continue to love it. But I do remember being disturbed the first time that I became aware of musicological mutterings that "Mille Regretz" ALSO might not be by Josquin! Believing it to be by Josquin did seem to inform at least part of my enjoyment of the piece- which of course I still value & play, not only in the fine Narvaez & Hans Neusidler intabs but also my own bare bones direct intab- which often precedes my playing one of the elaborated versions. Seems that a number of "Josquin" pieces are turning out not to be by the Master- or not by that master, anyway. But at least, unlike Shakespeare, his very existence is not yet in question. Your last quote? That Janos Starker guy did seem to be pretty addicted to music. Not much hope for a cure, it's usually terminal. And he shamelessly played the works of other addicts! We would appreciate it if you would send about 12 feet of your snow out here to Californian. Our ski slopes & reservoirs could use a little help. Anyway, keep an eye on your roof... Dan On 11/22/2014 10:02 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: We have posted our quotes for today, this week from Zarlino and Starker. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 Ron & Donna -- References 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-152 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Tab for John Sturt's prelude.
The first letter is an F and the second an H. There are a couple of scribes who wrote this ms and all the Fs are like that with long tails. The Hs are slightly different between the 2 writers - compare the H in the Courante above your Prelude - line 5 of the piece, 2nd measure. I think the Fs are pretty standard and the Hs a bit less so. Nancy That is on f.22r of the ML Lute Book. Here is a link to that manuscript on Sarge Gerbode's web site. http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/british_library/BL_MS_Add_38539_john_sturt_lute_book/ Thank you. In the middle of the third line, on the first course, there are two adjacent tablature letters of unfamiliar shape. The first resembles a 'p' with a long straight tail. And the second resembles a 'p' with a hooked tail. Can someone identify these two letters for me? Are they 'f' and 'h'? Are these shapes standard for that time and place? Or are they an idiosyncrasy of the writer? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Tab for John Sturt's prelude.
That is on f.22r of the ML Lute Book. Here is a link to that manuscript on Sarge Gerbode's web site. http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/british_library/BL_MS_Add_38539_john_sturt_lute_book/ Nancy I'm looking for tablature (or regular staff notation) to John Sturt's prelude. I understand there is only one prelude extant from this composer. I can't find the tablature/staff online. I would appreciate suggestions or other help. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Lyrics by Skaespeare
The LSA published the 2 songs set by Ed Durbrow in The Quarterly (Winter 2010). If any of you would like a copy I have left over copies of that issus that I can mail out. Email me with a street address and I will send you a copy. Nancy Daar friends, I'm member of a opera workshop aboutA lyrics from Shakespeare. ShortlyA we have a performance. I like to play and sing lute music. I wonder if there existA luteA music bases on Shakspeare lyrics. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [2]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: peg wonèt budge
Use a wooden pencil with an eraser on the end. Saw off the writing end so that you have a nice flat surface. Put the eraser against the small end of the peg and tap very gently on the flat end of the pencil that should stick out a ways from the pegs. It's helpful if you have a helper to hold the eraser end in place while you tap on the other end with something like a tiny hammer or other small metal tool. This worked for me. Nancy Push the peg out from the other side with a pencil or something like this while turning it. Worked for me. Regards Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. September 2014 21:39 An: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] peg wonèt budge Hello lute folks, My 13 course went from a warmer dryer environment to a colder wetter environment quite suddenly. One of the fourth-course pegs, which has always given me problems, being harder to turn than the others, refused to budge no matter what gently persistent prodding or brute force I applied. My lute has now returned to its warmer dryer environment, but that peg is still as tight as ever. I have several lutes and I have experienced tight pegs before, but I have never experienced a peg as stubbornly immobile as this. Anyone have any advice? Thank in advance, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] microfilms to digital question
A couple of days ago I was driving my car and heard a message about a thing you could buy that would scan 35mm film and slides into your computer, made by Wolverine. Here is the link to what's on their web site http://www.wolverinedata.com/index.php/site/quicklinks/C72/ Has anyone tried these to see how they work? From what I read on the web site it looks like the 35mm film has to go into a rather short cartridge to be read into the box and that would mean cutting up a long microfilm. But perhaps that is not exactly how they work. I would love some feedback on this. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses! - especially the Hog 30!
I think Wayne is reight that the Mouse amps are no longer available. I had one for a long time and it worked well, although there were not many ways to adjust the sound, like there are now in newer amps. The Mouse had a battery and it could also be plugged in, so it was quite versatile. Now I have a Mackie SRM150, which is about the size of a car battery and it has 2 inputs, which can be useful. It's just the thing when you only need to be a little bit louder and the listeners will be put off by seeing lots of cords and wires. If you need a bit louder amplification you can send a line out to a another powered speaker. Nancy So I have the Hog 30, which is very clean with good bass, though nowhere near as loud as a cranked 30 watt tube amp. I have a Sennheiser 441 mic (which is kind of expensive these days) on a nice boom stand which can be adjusted to be about 2.5 feet high, with a cable and a low to high impedance line transformer (by Shure or Hosa). I set the mic up on its stand in front of me and put the Pignose off to the side. My wife uses a Mini-Mouse which is a very nice amp, but with its smaller speaker the bass isn't as good, and I think it is not made anymore. There is a picture with me playing the g**tar at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/me/opening5.jpg Wayne Begin forwarded message: From It is over a foot tall, so not as portable as the little one, but has big rechargeable batteries that last a long time, and if what goes in sounds like a lute, what comes out sounds like a lute. This is of interest to me, since I sometimes need amplification for outdoor gigs. From your reference to Sennheiser, I take it you use a microphone for the lute, rather than having some sort of pickup installed. Could you say more about how this works? A picture might help. Geoff To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: those Pegheadz!
A couple of years ago I heard they were $30 per peg, plus unless you are good with woodworking, you will need to pay someone to install them. The ones on my new 10 course Andy Rutherford orpharion came with the instrument (Ed Martin and Chris Morrongiello had both encouraged me to get them). Nancy I am very interested in those pegheads, my lute is anything but historical, and turning the pegs is tedious, I'm all for it. Does anyone have an idea on the price per peg? On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: A A > Maybe a little light chorus effect will spice up a Francesco A A > recording. A I don't know, but I'm willing to try it. A I'd like to A A study all A A > of the old methods of course, A A I do both: try my best at understanding Dowland et all by being hip, A A and I pretend to be hip by playing contemporary music on lute, using A A electronics (yes, chorus on lute too: Effectrode Tube-Vibe since you A A ask), cross-over with pop, jazz and 'ethnic' music, whatnot. I enjoy A A both, it's all one world to me. A A David A A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.
About the pegs - guitar tuning pegs would be so heavy that the instruments would be listing toward the left in our laps. Fortunately the Peghead people have pegs that works well on lutes, vihuelas and orpharions. http://www.pegheds.com/ I have peg heads on one of my orpharions and love them. They look like regular lute pegs and the tuning is a dream. They are especially nice with my wire strings - now I spend more time playing and less time tuning. The tiny gears inside the peg are configured so that you turn the peg something like 3 times more than a wooden peg. There are a couple of other people with Pegheads on the luts list - Dan Winheld is not a fan of them, but Ed Martin has them on a baroque lute and he likes them. I sometimes get a sense however that there is some taboo in searching out new adaptations of lute music or lutes themselves. I've long lamented the apparent resistance of using modern tuning machines on a lute for example. Had they been available at the time, I'm rather certain that the old masters would have joyously adopted them. I guess it's like asking what Bach would have done if he had a pedal. I'm more interested in what I will do now that I have one. Tobiah To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Lusty Gallant
A good place to start looking for where you can find the music to this type of tune is Claude M. Simpson The British Broadside Ballad and its Music Rutgers Univ Press 1966 Simpson list Ballet Lute Book p 85 (now available online) Marsh Lute Book p 61 Another good place to look these up is in Julia Craig-McFeeley's dissertation. You can find a link to it in the links listed in the LSA web site. Nancy Does anyone know where I can find the tablature for Lusty Gallant? Thanks RICK LINDBERG Professional Content Developer ARRIS Lowell, MA o: +1 (678) 473-8000 c: +1 (678) 473-8001 e: [1]richard.lindb...@arrisi.com w: [2]www.arrisi.com -- References 1. mailto:richard.lindb...@arrisi.com 2. http://www.arrisi.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Thibault MS
.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ A 5. [13]http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ A 6. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lu...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://gerbode.net/composers/Anon/VMD/pdf/Vmd27_spagna.pdf 4. mailto:hectorl...@mac.com 5. mailto:harpolek...@gmail.com 6. http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ 7. http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://gerbode.net/composers/Anon/VMD/pdf/Vmd27_spagna.pdf 10. mailto:hectorl...@mac.com 11. mailto:harpolek...@gmail.com 12. http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ 13. http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/ 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Pat O'Brien
We will be having an issue of the LSA Quarterly featuring people's memories of Pat. If any of you want to contribute something (words, pictures or music) contact Sean Smith who is putting this together lutesm...@gmail.com Nancy I am seeing on Wkipedia: [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_O'Brien_(musician) That Pat passed away yesterday. Does anyone know more about this. He was my first lute teacher, extraordinary guy. :( A A -- References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_O'Brien_(musician) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] does anyone had a copy of this article
Arthur Ness and I have been discussing the Rettenwert manuscript CZ- Pnm G.IV.18 and Diana Poulton wrote an article about one of the Haselmere manuscript, which was supposedly written by the same person (Rettenwert). Does anyone have access to Poulton, Diana. `The Dolmetsch Library, Haslemere, MS III.B.1: a Preliminary Study', The Consort, no.35 (1979), 327-41 and would it be psosible for both me and Arthur to get a copy of this? Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [1]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [2]www.groundsanddivisions.info [3]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 2. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 3. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Carmen's Whistle
Hi Charles, It is very much in the style of this music for a performer to adapt notes to others that he likes better and especially cadential flourishes can be changed. Paul O'Dette talked a bit about this in the class he gave at the LSA's lute week in 2012. You can see a bit more of this kind of thing in a score I have on my web site [1]http://groundsanddivisions.info/Quadro--JJohnson3versions.pdf It compares 3 versions of John Johnson's Quadro Pavan. Another great place to see a lot of these comparisons is in the music supplements to the Lute Society (England)'s Lute News that are available to subscribers online. Their music editor John Robinson is doing a series of collections of every version of some ballad tunes (like Carmen's Whistle) and so far has done Loth to Depart and Go From My WIndow. He also did pages and pages of examples of improvisatory preludes and more pages comparing all the versions of Dowland pieces. The last 2 Lute News online music supplements have included 80 extra pages of music. If you don't want to join the Lute Society (England), I think you can buy some of these Lute News issues from their web site - do consider joining the LSA first please. One more place to learn a lot about this - at the LSA Seminar in Cleveland (June 21-28) Nigel North is giving a class on ornamenting Dowland. I ran into him at a concert lasrt week and asked if it was going to be all ornament signs or would include divisions too. He says it will be both and students will get a chance to write their own versions of the pieces. Chris Morrongiello will be giving a class on ground - so more on divisions similar to what is different about the 2 versions of Carmen's Whistle. Nancy Thank you, Nancy, for this detailed info! I have one version, its quite similar to what Paul plays, but without the scales at the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he is using what I have but just embellished the last variation. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Nancy Carlin <[2]na...@nancycarlinassociates.com> wrote: There are 2 Carmen's Whistles - to check titles like this the easiest way is to go to Julia Craig McFeely's dissertation. There is a link to it on the LSA's Links section of the web site and scroll down to her index of titles. One version is from Pickering and the other is it Dd. 5.78. Next an easy way to start looking at the music is to check Sarge Gerbode's web site. [3]www.Gerbode.net You can find Pickering by going to Source facsimiles, then British Library and it is listed as Eg. 2046. Sarge has dd.5.78 under Cambridge. You could also check out Jan Berggers edition of Johnson that is available from Tree Editions. If you want to look at another version - there is one for keyboard in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. Nancy Greetings, Could someone point me to the version of this Johnson work that Paul O'Dette plays here: [1][4]http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA Thank you! Charles Mokotoff -- References 1. [5]http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [7]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA [8]925 / 686-5800 [9]www.groundsanddivisions.info [10]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [11]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [12]www.groundsanddivisions.info [13]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://groundsanddivisions.info/Quadro--JJohnson3versions.pdf 2. mailto:na...@nancycarlinassociates.com 3. http://www.Gerbode.net/ 4. http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA 5. http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 8. tel:925%20%2F%20686-5800 9. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 10. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 11. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 12. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 13. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: Carmen's Whistle
There are 2 Carmen's Whistles - to check titles like this the easiest way is to go to Julia Craig McFeely's dissertation. There is a link to it on the LSA's Links section of the web site and scroll down to her index of titles. One version is from Pickering and the other is it Dd. 5.78. Next an easy way to start looking at the music is to check Sarge Gerbode's web site. www.Gerbode.net You can find Pickering by going to Source facsimiles, then British Library and it is listed as Eg. 2046. Sarge has dd.5.78 under Cambridge. You could also check out Jan Berggers edition of Johnson that is available from Tree Editions. If you want to look at another version - there is one for keyboard in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. Nancy Greetings, Could someone point me to the version of this Johnson work that Paul O'Dette plays here: [1]http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA Thank you! Charles Mokotoff -- References 1. http://youtu.be/3q5pi-Ad7JA To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: David's Besard article
It's in Vol 47 No. 1, Spring 2012. Nancy Nancy, for those of us who probably do have the Q (somewhere!) can you remind us which issue it's in? Thanks, Martin On 23/05/2014 06:18, Nancy Carlin wrote: I have spare copies of the Quarterly that has David's article about the Besard duets in it with the music. If you are not a LSA member and didn't get it, email me with a street address and I will send you a copy. Nancy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] David's Besard article
I have spare copies of the Quarterly that has David's article about the Besard duets in it with the music. If you are not a LSA member and didn't get it, email me with a street address and I will send you a copy. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Obituary for Stephen Gottlieb
The LSA has some nice memories of Stephen Gottlieb in the Quarterly which is going to the post office today. I have a few extra copies, so if any of you are not LSA members and would like a copy. email me back with a street address and I will send you a copy. That issue also has quite a long article by Stephen, David Munro and Michael Lowe on Jakob Lindberg's 400 year old lute and how them transformed it from pieces into a playable instrument. Nancy Dear Lutenists, Stephen GottliebA's obituary was published in today's edition of the Guardian: [1][1]http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/20/stephen-gottlieb He will be greatlyA missed. Best to you all, BenjaminA -- [2]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References 1. [2]http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/20/stephen-gottlieb 2. [3]http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [5]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [6]www.groundsanddivisions.info [7]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/20/stephen-gottlieb 2. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/20/stephen-gottlieb 3. http://www.luthiste.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 6. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 7. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Fingering (Vallet)
The "conclusion" (read: the last short paragraph of the article): "Vallet's system of interpretive fingerings is remarkably simple, while being clear and precise" If there is such a system, the author has taken great care to hide it from us - which is too bad since we can't verify that it is simple, clear and precise. The examples provide look more like a "catch-of-the-day" collection. I would have expected alternative fingerings for all these examples that would haven shown that Vallet actually selected the one that fit best into his system. Some things I think should have been mentioned but haven't: I find example Four rather interesting: I'd expect a break after the dotted c' in mss. 51, i.e. short c' with 4, than bflat with 4, than a with 2 finger (read: I'd expect the dotted note to be played short while Vallet's choice of fingering makes it possible to play the dotted note full length. The shift the author marks can actually be played rather smooth. Example Five: what about the first chord in this example? How would you play the ornament on the high b flat? And doesn't the tablature require the barre to be held until the end of the bar? Given the ornament on a flat mss. 30, first beat (pull from above, b flat with 4th finger) that "break" can actually be played rather smooth. N.B: to be said again - I'm a big fan of "short" notes, I really think that a lot of lute music is played way to legato, ignoring pretty much all the historic evidence (but that's nothing new to the lute world, isn't it? :-) I just think that the methodological approach of this article is false. It starts with the premise that Vallet choose a bondage-and-discipline approach: i.e. "I'll use this fingering so you _have_ to articulate short" [1]. But that's an approach only needed when players would play legato otherwise. If we assume that articulation was more or less the same for all (instrumental) music of that time then there would be no need for such a "forced articulation" - players would have played short because the liked it. Thus, a more fitting study would search for places where Vallet could pick a technically simpler fingering because there was no need for legato fingering. Oh weh, way to long post ... Cheers, Ralf Mattes [1] after all, there is no problem using short articulation with "legato" fingerings. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] luthier question
The LSA is putting together a list of luthiers to go on our web site. We want to have a list of builders that the people who are new to the lute can contact, and so we hope you can recommend luthiers who should be on the list. We are not especially looking for the person who builds 1-2 lutes a year and would prefer luthiers who are easy to contact with an email address and learn about from a web site. Please forward your recommendations to me. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] LSA Membership Directory
For those of you who are LSA members, we are doing something new with the Membership Directory this time. Instead of sending it to everyone we are sending it out only to those who request it. It is available by snail mail (post office) and also as a pdf. So if you would like a copy email me privately and tell me which format you want. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A Christmas Contrafactum--sources for pizza.
If I am not mistaken it's a church near the University of California Berkeley campus where a lot of concerts are held. I've always thought of it as designed to appeal to the transplants from the Eastern US and it reminds me of big churches in the Boston area. Nancy Thank you - that is very interesting and helpful. Loved the Schmelzer and some of your other videos especaially the one with the dancers. It is amazing what's on Youtube! Could spend all night watching them. Another non sequitur - I was curious to know what sort of church is is where you are performing. It is rather different in style from English churches I am familiar with Monica Monica - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" To: "lute" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: A Christmas Contrafactum--sources for pizza. Chords and plucking on the viol: Well, there are a few different ways to answer that. The first is that the difference between the lute and the viol would have been much less than it is today. that is, the lute would have played more melodies and the gamba would play more chords. The second is that etymologically, the instruments were considered two sides of the same coin, so "viola" was "string instrument"; viola da mano was the lute (called vihuela in Spanish, viol in other languages) and viola "arco", "gamba" and so on was the same instrument, another way. And then we have the iconographic evidence, some of which may be fanciful of course. For this video, we adapted and recreated some techniques based on contemporaneous sources: Tobias Hume's The First Part of Ayres (1605): the player is asked in The Souldiers Song to aPlay three letters with your Fingers', and in "Harke, Harke" to "Play nine letters with your finger." And in Monteverdi's Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda (1624), the players are directed to "pluck the strings with two fingers". Farina in Capriccio stravagante, 1627, directs the violinist to play the violin like a guitar. We also use full bowed harmonies in the style of the lirone on the viol, because the lirone developed out of styles that were already used for the gamba. dt You can see this "lirone" style here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pfoPVO4BsM They were a lively bunch, way back when! dt __ From: Monica Hall To: David Tayler Cc: Lutelist Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] A Christmas Contrafactum Great performance and very interesting - especially the lyrics which seem to have been culled from different parts of the canon. A bit of a non-sequitur but how common was it for the viola da gamba to pluck rather than bow the bass line? What is the evidence is thereis there any? Monica - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" <[1]vidan...@sbcglobal.net> To: "lute" <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: [LUTE] A Christmas Contrafactum > One of the interesting features of Early Music is the way in which > material was recycled. When I first saw the Contrafactum for > Monteverdi's Chiome d'oro (for Easter), I remember wishing there was > one for Christmas. But then I figured, how hard could it be to write a > Latin version? Pretty hard, as it turns out, so I had a friend help. dt > [1]aP: Claudio Monteverdi: Puer Natus (Chiome d'oro); Voices of Music - > YouTube > > -- > > References > > Visible links > 1. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlE0ibIt0s&hd=1 > > Hidden links: > 3. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlE0ibIt0s&hd=1 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlE0ibIt0s&hd=1 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlE0ibIt0s&hd=1 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] San Francisco area lute party
We had a great lute party yesterday, which included some familiar names (Sean Smith, Ed Martin, Dan WInheld, Sarge Gerbode). I am sorry some of you that live further away could not have joined us. After a great pot luck dinner people took turns playing and the highlight was Ed playing COnradi and Kellner. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute on the Early Music Show
I see on the BBC web site that Liz Kenny will be featured on the Early Music Show on January 12th. It says she will be talking about 2 performers who inspired her. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ballet lute book
Somebody should send a note to these people telling them how much we appreciate this. Does anyone know who we could send a thank you note to? Nancy On 1/1/2014 12:23 PM, G.R. Crona wrote: Huge Thanks to Trinity College Music Dept. for such a wonderful New Year's Gift. And to Andreas for breaking the news :) Happy New Lute Year To All! G. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Happy new year - and have a look at: http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS408_001 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
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[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
The other musician I got a lot of inspiration from back in those early lute days was John Renbourn. In 2006 the LSA published an interview with him and I have some spare copies. If you would like one email me back with a street address - snail mail only. Nancy I am a bit dismayed by a modern orthodoxy about lutes and lute music which is so dismissive of things which stand outside that orthodoxy. Whether or not you like Bream's lutes or his playing, he was the first to show that it *could* be done. But the main thing which troubles me is that the basis of this current orthodoxy is so shaky. Modern lutemakers base their instruments on just a few museum specimens which are not necessarily representative of the multiplicity of lutes of the past, and while we now make lutes which are much closer to historical instruments than those of 20 or 30 years ago, we still don't understand how strings were made in the past and still can't reproduce them. Despite much research, modern players have to guess at the nature of musical phrasing and mostly ignore the very important dimension of ornamentation, either playing no ornaments at all or taking an "anything goes" approach. We also mostly ignore the fact that 17th and 18th century lute players played very close to the bridge with their fingers plucking almost at right angles to the strings. This has far-reaching implications - playing more or less thumb-inside and over the rose, modern players need quite high string tensions, probably much higher than were used in the past. We may like what the best players do now, but it is foolish to think that it is historically plausible, let alone "correct". Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Christmas carols on lute
Some of you will have heard from me on this topic in previous Decembers, so this note is aimed at anyone who is new to the list. I have some leftover copies of the LSA Quarterly (November 2004) which has 4)+ pages of standard Christmas carols in lute tablature. If you would like a copy of this email me with a street address and I will mail you a copy. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature for publication
There are a lot of really nice things about Fronimo, but when you get to baroque music there are some ornament signs and right hand symbols that are not available. I have gotten around this by importing a pdf into Photoshop and adding what I needed. Has anyone tried Paul Beier's new tab program? If so do you like in? What works well in that program? Nancy I found a thread to this effect dating back to 2008 and was wondering if there has been any significant up dates to the opinions. I am planning to publish some 18th century lute sonatas which are in staff notation I intend to publish a study edition which is OK, I am using Finale. I also wish to publish a performance edition which will be in tablature. Finale has can achieve this (I am using the latest version 2014). But I am not sure what would be most widely accepted style. I have some published works from the 80's and, frankly I am not impressed with any of them. There has been several publish since those days which I have not seen. Does anyone have an option as to the most appropriate style, any examples of current works. I know that each player has his/her own style which suits them but I am trying to find a consensus of opinion ( You can please some people some of the time but it is impossible to please all the people all of the time!!)I used to copy out all the tablature by hand and became used to playing from them - but this just my way. I would be grateful for your options. Those who have published what was the reason for your choice. Another question: I propose a study edition which will consist of the score on staff notation and then publish as a performance edition, probably in parts (there are 24 sonatas and I was thinking of publishing in, say, four volumes of six in a spiral bound form for easy handling - any comments on this welcome. Should I publish as Tablature only (there will be the complete study edition should anyone be interested) or tablature plus staff in one volume? If the latter, the tablature complete followed by staff complete (or vice versa)or staff then tablature following each other (definitely not together on one page!. Still pondering which, I want the publication to be professional but also able to be playable from the publication. -- Anthony Hart MSc, LLCM, ALCM. Musicologist and Independent Researcher Highrise Court 'B', Apt 2, Tigne' Street, Sliema, SLM3174, MALTA Tel: +356 27014791; Mob: +356 9944 9552. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] more music on my web site
I cleaned up the papers collecting on my music stand and have added some more music to my web site www.GroundsandDivisions.info The new pieces includes a couple more Courantes from Cz-Pnm G.IV.18 (Rettenwert Lute Book) and a new Spanish Pavan (Elizabethan Tunes). Enjoy. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
There are a lot of good up and coming bands around. Take a listen to this week's Early Music Show on the BBC web site. They have a bit of music from a lot of the entries, only one of which has lute featured. The City Waites are still around and performing, especially at Christmas time in the UK. Taking a look at the groups that perform at the bigger early music series and festivals, Jordi Saval is featured a lot with various instrumental combinations. Le Poem Harmonique and Les Witches seem to be doing interesting things. What we don't have now is the record companies being the gate keepers for publicity. Back in the 70s and later this was a way to focus attention on the groups that were headed for some success and longevity. What we have now is YouTube and a bit of airplay on the radio shows we can hear on the internet (Early Music Show & Harmonia). Nancy : Is it just me, or do there seem to be fewer small broken consorts around these days. Back in the 60s and 70s we had the Julian Bream Consort, The Early Music Consort of London, the Consort of Musicke, London Pro Musica, The Ely Consort, the Broadside Band, the City Waites, the Extempore String Ensemble. I am finding it hard to think of anything equivalent around today, certainly in the UK. I used to travel a long way to attend their gigs and was never disappointed - Lots of fresh music performed in ways I hadn't heard before. Always very entertaining and full of variety and played to packed houses. Have they had their day? Gigs today always seem to be so serious and earnest and with much less variety to hold the attention of the Great Unwashed (ie non-lutenists). Bill From: Miles Dempster To: Lutelist List Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 17:00 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Forty years ago the continuo section of an early music performance hardly ever featured a finger-plucked instrument. The theorbo and archlute have since then become 'standard', providing bread and butter work for competent continuo players. Miles On 2013-08-12, at 10:45 AM, William Samson wrote: > Nowadays, of course, there are very many more great quality lutenists > than there were forty years ago, but there's not nearly enough work to > go round to keep them all busy as concert performers. Probably their > best hope of earning a crust is through teaching - either in academia > or with private students - and grabbing a performing opportunity when > it presents itself. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
I agree, Nancy Excellent points, all. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of t...@heartistrymusic.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:43 PM To: Braig, Eugene; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Christopher Wilke Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Yes - unfortunately, "Renaissance Faires" have been rife with guys in running shoes and a smock playing Stan Rogers songs on Guild guitars. But this does not mean that things can't change. My son worked Ren Faires for awhile, and there was quite a lot of interest amongst the participants in Paul Odette's CDs. I think the Ren Faire folks would actually love to have some real lute players, but Ren Faires don't pay anything. Most entertainers who work them make their income selling CDs and DVDs. Back to the part about interest: the interest is there. I'm not suggesting that anybody on this list would want to try playing at a Ren Faire. I AM suggesting that there are potential audience members and recorded music consumers in this crowd. Personally, it doesn't matter to me if my audience members like to hurl large weapons at each other in their spare time, as long as they aren't hurling them at me. I would rather have a large audience full of prople who simply think that what I do is cool, than to have a miniscule audience of highly opinionated academics waiting to pounce on my first mistake and tear me apart in a bad review. "Riverdance" brought attention to Celtic music. And many celtic bands capitalized on riding that wave of success. "O Brother Where Art Thou" brought attention to Appalachian Traditional music, and ultimately resulted in success for musicians like Alison Krauss, who, even though they are great musicians, might be unheard of today if not for that movie. Similarly, those who love movies like Robin Hood and Lord of the Rings, or Sting's Dowland project, I think, are potential audience for lute recordings and concerts. How to get the word out to them that these recordings and concerts exist is an issue. Also, how to make an Early Music concert an occasion that's not dry, pedantic and stuffy might be another issue. One VERY good way of increasing awareness is school outreach. Any time you are performing in a community see if the presenters can partner with the school system. Kids will be impressed by the instruments, and it will leave a good lasting impression. I was able to get Jacques Ogg and members of Lyra Baroque into our elementary school. How cool is that! Tom I must extend my sincerest thanks to ye olde SCA. I once went to a Renaissance "Faire" with a fellow modern musician (it was his suggestion). He said, "I'll bet you're happy. This is one place you'll see plenty of lutes in action." I wagered him a very hefty sum that we would not see or hear any lutes there. It was a most profitable day for me. Thanks again, SCA! Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com _ _ From: "Braig, Eugene" To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness . . . Many (certainly not all) somehow believing that assuming a bad cockney accent; whacking each other with wooden weapons while feigning the inability to use struck limbs; and listening to modern Irish, Scottish, or English folk songs strummed by steel-strung acoustic instruments somehow relates to late-medieval/early-renaissance life. If that's your thing, go for it. Myself, I kinda prefer music. -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of [3]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM To: Stephen Fryer Cc: [4]t...@heartistrymusic.com; Nancy Carlin; [5]erne...@aquila.mus.br; R. Mattes; [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism, and it has nothing to do with NYSCA, which is the New York State Council on the Arts. The latter is a venerable institution that funds arts here, and the former is group of uncultured boors in silly costumes who managed to completely destroy the NY Medieval Festival at Cloisters. RT On 8/8/2013 5:25 PM, [7]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: > No, it's just the stench that is insufferable. > RT > > > On 8/8/2013 5:23 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: >> Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scare
