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Re: Elizabethan pronunciation
Stephan Olbertz wrote: To clarify a bit: the book I mentioned got quite good reviews and I just wondered if it is really the bible of Elizabethan English. My continental and maybe wrong impression has been that a word Shakespeare didn't write didn't exist. Erm, Spenser's English is quite different from Shakespeare's English :) I am sure that Spenser used words you won't find in Shakespeare's plays. Other examples that come to mind are Nashe, Greene, ... and - of course - Sidney. Ooops, I forgot Lyly. It is a common misbelief that Elizabethan (including early Jacobean) literature is Shakespeare and nothing else. By far the most popular play on the Elizabethan stage was Kid's Spanish Tragedy. A book about the pronunciation of Shakespeare's English most probably refers to the English of Shakespeare's time Rainer PS Rhymes like move/love sound quite strange today :)
Re: The cost of lute music
Arthur Ness (boston) wrote: snip There are some remarkable musical minds. One was a colleague from Holland, a Dr. K. He had a photographic memory and perfect pitch, and was somewhat of a whiz at mathematics (he could add up 30 or 40 numbers in a few seconds, and then give the average). Mathematics has nothing to do with calculating. In many books about mathematics you will find very few numbers exept 0, 1 and page numbers :) Rainer I really couldn't resist :)
Re: John Cage
Stuart LeBlanc wrote: Not so tough a question. A Beethoven symphony expresses the human condition in all its complexity. A cowbell expresses the location of a cow. That aside, a very appropriate commentary. I'm reminded of Henry Miller's remark: In America, everybody has the opportunity to become somebody. In Europe, everybody has the opportunity to become nobody. Very interesting. Our nobodies are Dufay, Josquin, Lasso, Palestrina, Marenzio, Rore, Dowland, Monteverdi, Schütz, Couperin, Vivaldi, Purcell, Händel, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Verdi, Stravinski, Bartok, and hundreds of other giants. Who are your somebodies? Best wishes from old Europe, Rainer adS Oops - I forgot - in America every monkey has the opportunity to become governor or president.
Re: The likeness of John Dowland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear lute experts! I am curious to know what the view of the lute fraternity is to the article about Dowland that appeared in the Journal of the American Lute Society 1997 (which only arrived last year). This was the article where Olav Chris Henriksen claimed to have found a likeness of John Dowland on the title page of a book of madrigals composed by Melchior Borhgrevinck and published in 1605 in Copenhagen. The argument put forward seemed pretty good, although I am no academic. I have not seen it referred to in the Lute Society Newsletter, or heard it discussed anywhere. What do the experts generally think? Many thanks Mike Ashley I have no idea what the experts generally think. I think it's little more than speculation. What IS interesting, is the fact that the lute player is playing thumb out. I have no idea what the other instrument is. It looks more like a theorbino or a sitar g than like a bass lute. Rainer adS
Re: consort version of My Lady Hundsons?
Ed Durbrow wrote: Is there a consort version of My Lady Hundsons or any versions significantly different from the one in Poulton? There is no consort version. I seem to remember that a single part of a mixed consoret version has survived. Otherwise: Dd.5.78.3, 7r, No Title 6402, 1v/2, My lady hunssdons puff Doulland Folger, 22v, My Lady Hunsdons Allmande Jo: dowlande Bacheler of musick Dd.9.33, 38r/1, J Dowla[nde] 4022, 44v/3-45r/1, Balletto la pace Rainer adS
Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias
Dear Antonio, it should be possible to set up filter rules for your yahoo account. RT is on my filter list and hence I happily did NOT receive the 16 [sic!] mails he has posted today. Best wishes Rainer adS Antonio Corona wrote: Just a small notice: in future I shall not respond to mail by Roman Turovsky that, in my opinion, is uninteresting or offers little or no contribution to our knowledge. My apologies for hogging the list. With best wishes for everyone, Antonio _ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Early Music CD review
Dear lute netters, has anybody out there read the CD review in Early Music, may 2004, page 339-341 by a certain Tess Knighton? She writes The results can be innovative and exciting, rewarding and attractive, all of which is fine as long as the listener is informed about what is going on... Well said, Theresa. Unfortunately our good Theresa is not too well informed and has no idea of what is going on. In the second paragraph of this splendid review she manages (twice!) to call Vallet - yes, indeed - Nocolas Vallet. Well done. For whatever reasons she later decides to call him Nicolas Vallon [sic!] and sticks to the new name six times. She admits that she doesn't know much about Vallet - erm, Vallon - and says ...for me he was a name in a textbook until I heard this CD... I wonder which textbooks Theresa keeps on her shelves... Unfortunately she had to face an even tougher task - a Dutch title. Understandably she failed once again and wrote Ouse Vader in Hemelyk Perhaps Stewart McCoy or Chris Goodwin should write a letter to the editors of Early Music. It's a shame... Quite upset, Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: thoughts on increased tension on Baroque lute list
Ed Durbrow wrote: There is a scene in - I think it's Sturm und Drang when the young student complains about playing menuets on the lute and about all those grace which doesn't work right ... I'll look it up! It's not Sturm und Drang, it's - I was right :) - Lenz's Hofmeister. The lute doesn't appear in Klinger's play. In Lenz's play apparently nobody complains about playing menuets on the lute, though. In I, 3 the Majorin sings [sic!] a Menuet. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Thoughts on increased tension on Baroque
was vor sich bringen Nein, nein, das dritte Chor wars, k, k, so Rein, rein, den Triller rund und den Daumen unten nicht bewegt, so Pätus. (der sich die Zeit über seitwärts gehalten, tritt hervor und bietet Rehaar die Hand) Ihr Diener, Herr Rehaar; wie gehts? Rehaar. (hebt sich mit der Laute) Ergebener Die Wie solls gehen, Herr Pätus? Toujours content, jamais d'argent: das ist des alten Rehaars Sprichwort, wissen Sie, und die Herren Studenten wissens alle; aber darum geben sie mir doch nichts Der Herr Pätus ist mir auch noch schuldig, von der letzten Serenade, aber er denkt nicht dran .. Pätus. Sie sollen haben, liebster Rehaar; in acht Tagen erwart' ich unfehlbar meinen Wechsel. Rehaar. Ja, Sie haben schon lang gewartet, Herr Pätus, und Wechselchen ist doch nicht kommen. Was ist zu thun, man muß Geduld haben, ich sag immer, ich begegne keinem Menschen mit so viel Ehrfurcht als einem Studenten: denn ein Student ist nichts, das ist wahr, aber es kann doch alles aus ihm werden. (er legt die Laute auf den Tisch und nimmt eine Prise) Aber was haben Sie mir denn gemacht, Herr Pätus? Ist das recht; ist das auch honett gehandelt? Sind mir gestern zum Fenster hineingestiegen, in meiner Tochter Schlafkammer. Pätus. Was denn, Vaterchen? ich? ... Rehaar. (läßt die Dose fallen) Ja ich will Dich bevaterchen und ich werd' es gehörigen Orts zu melden wissen, Herr, daß seyn Sie versichert. Meiner Tochter Ehr' ist mir lieb und es ist ein honettes Mädchen, hol's der Henker! und wenn ichs nur gestern gemerkt hätte oder wär' aufgewacht, ich hätt Euch zum Fenster hinausgehenselt, daß Ihr das Unterste zu Oberst Ist das honett, ist das ehrlich? Pfuy Teufel, wenn ich Student bin, muß ich mich auch als Student aufführen, nicht als ein Schlingel Da haben mirs die Nachbarn heut gesagt: ich dacht ich sollte den Schlag drüber kriegen, Augenblicks hat mir das Mädchen auf den Postwagen müssen und das nach Kurland zu ihrer Tante; ja nach Kurland, Herr, denn hier ist ihre Ehr' hin und wer zahlt mir nun die Reisekosten? Ich habe warhaftig den ganzen Tag keine Laut' anrühren können und über die funfzehn Quinten sind mir heut gesprungen. Ja Herr, ich zittere noch am ganzen Leibe und Herr Pätus, ich will ein Hühnchen mit Ihnen pflücken. Es soll nicht so bleiben; ich will Euch Schlingeln lehren ehrlicher Leute Kinder verführen. Pätus. Herr, schimpf Er nicht, oder Rehaar. Sehen Sie nur an, Herr von Berg! sehn Sie einmal an wenn ich nun Herz hätte, ich fodert' ihn augenblicklich vor die Klinge Sehen Sie, da steht er und lacht mir noch in die Zähne obenein. Sind wir denn unter Türken und Heiden, daß ein Vater nicht mehr mit seiner Tochter sicher ist? Herr Pätus, Sie sollen mirs nicht umsonst gethan haben, ich sags Ihnen und sollts bis an den Kuhrfürsten selber kommen. Unter die Soldaten mit solchen lüderlichen Hunden! Dem Kalbsfell folgen, das ist gescheidter! Schlingel seyd ihr und keine Studenten! Pätus. (giebt ihm eine Ohrfeige) Schimpf Er nicht; ich habs Ihm fünfmal gesagt!. Rehaar. (springt auf, das Schnupftuch vorm Gesicht) So? Wart Wenn ich doch nur den rothen Fleck behalten könnte, bis ich vorn Magnifikus komme Wenn ich ihn doch nur acht Tage behalten könnte, daß ich nach Dresden reise und ihn dem Kuhrfürsten zeige Wart, es soll Dir zu Hause kommen, wart, wart Ist das erlaubt? (weint) Einen Lautenisten zu schlagen? weil er Dir seine Tochter nicht geben will, daß Du Lautchen auf ihr spielen kannst? Wart, ich wills seiner Kuhrfürstlichen Majestät sagen, daß Du mich ins Gesicht geschlagen hast. Die Hand soll Dir abgehauen werden Schlingel! (läuft ab, Pätus will ihm nach; Fritz hält ihn zurück) Fritz. Pätus! Du hast schlecht gehandelt. Er war beleidigter Vater, Du hättest ihn schonen sollen. Pätus. Was schimpfte der Schurke? Fritz. Schimpfliche Handlungen verdienen Schimpf. Er konnte die Ehre seiner Tochter auf keine andere Weise rächen, aber es möchten sich Leute finden Pätus. Was? Was für Leute? Fritz. Du hast sie entehrt, Du hast ihren Vater entehrt. Ein schlechter Kerl, der sich an Weiber und Musikanten wagt, die noch weniger als Weiber sind. Pätus. Ein schlechter Kerl? Fritz. Du sollst ihm öffentlich abbitten. Pätus. Mit meinem Stock. Fritz. So werd ich Dir in seinem Namen antworten. Pätus. (schreyt) Was willst Du von mir? Fritz. Genugthuung für Rehaarn. Pätus. Du wirst mich doch nicht zwingen wollen; einfältiger Mensch Fritz. Ja, ich will Dich zwingen, kein Schurke zu seyn. Pätus. Du bist einer Du mußt Dich mit mir schlagen. Fritz. Herzlich gern wenn Du Rehaarn nicht Satisfaktion giebst. Pätus. Nimmermehr. Fritz. Es wird sich zeigen. The lute is also mentioned two times in the 5th Act. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: question about lute courses/strings
Jose Luis wrote: Joe Helmick wrote: New to the list here... I'm a classical guitarist in love with lute music, and am transcribing a song by MacFarlane. I recorded it, raised it an octave, and then am playing it back at 50% speed to help in getting an accurate transcription My question is this: Do all lutes have two-string courses on the treble-most strings? I'm listening to this MacFarlane piece (John Come Kiss Me Now) and I'd swear that he's plucking single strings... Can anyone educate me on this? Joe To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html In which source manuscript is it included the version of John Come Kiss Me Now that you try to transcribe? Look it in the CD booklet. The best thing is that you make the transcription from the tablature! Best wishes, Jose Luis There are three versions for lute: Source Page/No.Title in source M. L. 11v-12r John com Kisse mee Now Welde 10v-11r A Treble 305669v-70v No Title Rainer adS
Re: thanks to all who replied
Joe Helmick wrote: Thanks to everyone who replied to my recent question. Many of you asked what piece I'm transcribing. It's off the CD entitled Ronn McFarlane The Renaissance Lute Dorian Records DOR-90186 The piece is labeled John Come Kiss Me Now (4:10) Anon. Cozens lute book c.1600) I'm transcribing it from the recording because I cannot find the music. I'm about 2/3 done with the piece, and there is only one section so far that's really given me trouble (hard to make out the bass line in one passage), so I think I'm doing pretty well, considering :) Thanks again, Joe To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I have a copy of the so-called Cozens lute book - in my list it appears as 3056. I can scan the pages in question and send them. Frankly speaking I will probably not enter the tablature - 4:10 is a bit long :) Rainer PS I think I even have a film...
Re: Beards
Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Roman, I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have beards. I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors. Hm, how many female list members have a beard? What do you mean? :) Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: van Eyck, Ballet gravesand
LGS-Europe wrote: Ballette Gravesand (Fluyten Lusthof I) = Laura (Fluyten Lusthof II) = the English song 'The fairest nymph the valleys or mountain ever bred' = a mask song. First appearance in Holland is in Starter's Friesche Lusthof. Lute versions in: M.L. lute book (f 32r, no title) Board lute book (f 38v grays Inn mask) Add: Osborn fb 7 89v/6 The Queens ffuneralle M. L. 30r/2 graysin maske There are also versions for lyra viol (playable on a lute) in: GB-Och MS 531-532 (item 31, no title) Browne lyra viol MS (Temple Masque) Manchester lyra viol MS (Alman) All this, and much more (back ground, instrumental versions (e.g. a keyboard setting by Orlando Gibbons), 1186 36v/2 ye fairest Nymphes ye valleys. Brookes, No. 760 5609 2/2 The fairest Nymphes the Valleys or Mountains ever bred etc Brookes, No. 760 Och 437 5r Grayseind: Maske: Brookes, No. 760 Bunbury 13v-14r/1 Grayes Inn MaskeBrookes, No. 1746 Rogers 3r The fairest Nimphes the valleys or mountains ever bred, etc Brookes, No. 1746 36661 60v A Maske By Mr orlando Gibbons Brookes, No. 1746 5609127/1 The Fairest Nymphes the Valleys Brookes, No. 1746; copied from 10337 1186 39rye fairest nymphes ye valleys etc. Brookes, No. 1746 5609124/1 The fairest Nymphes the Valleys Brookes, No. 760 Rainer aus dem Spring To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc.
Dear Stewart, Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Arthur, The Jew's Dance is in Dd.3.18, etc., i.e. the Cambridge Consort manuscripts. It's really a Bergamasca, which is quite different from Newsidler's piece, but there is no reason why they should be the same. No doubt Jews were associated with many pieces of music. If I remember right, only the recorder and lute parts survive. The bandora, cittern, and bass viol parts are easy enough to reconstruct or busk. Warwick Edwards has created a fine part for the (presumably lost) violin part, which acts as a foil to the flute and lute. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. from my database: 5609 57/2 The rich Jewcopied from 1186, Brookes No. 939, keyboard 1186100v/2 ye rich Jew.Brookes, No. 939, keyboard Dd.5.21 12r ???, recorder Dd.9.33 38r/2 de Jerr a mort, lute Dd.3.18 48r The Jewes Dawnce. R Nicolson [index:] Jewes Dawnce., lute Also known as Judentanz was Kit's Almain: Instrument Tuning# ComposerPiece Source Page/No.Title in source keyboardKit's AlmainBoynton 16v-17vAlmayne keyboardKit's AlmainMS QN 2047r Mascarada lyra viol Kit's AlmainBoynton 102rAlmayne Mr Johnson voice (solo)Kit's AlmainValerius184-185 Kits Almande. luteKit's AlmainValerius186-187/1 Kits Almande. cittern Kit's AlmainValerius187/2 Kits Almande. keyboardKit's AlmainWitzendorff 34v-36r Englisch Mascharad oder dass Glück ganz wanckelmütig ist luteKit's AlmainSwan69v-70r Ballet keyboardKit's AlmainDralliusNo. 63 Juden Tantz. / Ex clavi. G.bmol Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Duets in guitar notation?
Ed Durbrow wrote: Is there any software that converts tablature to guitar notation? Django, Fromino and Harmony Assistant all will convert to notation. I suppose Sibelius and Finale will too. Erm, could somebody convert a few files for me from Wayne's tab or Fronimo to guitar notation? Fronimo can NOT do this. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Melchior Neusidler
I have entered several pieces from the 1574 print in Fronimo. There are certainly not more errors than in other printed lute books. However, the German tablature is difficult to read and some symbols look VERY strange. Other German lute books are easier to transcribe. Rainer ads (still alive) LGS-Europe wrote: I have transcribed Arcadelt's Quando io Penso al martire from melchior Neusidler's Teutsch Lautenbuch (1574). Its seems to have rather many mistakes, but then again, German tablature is not my forte ;-). Anybody has experience with this lute book and its reliability? David * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Anotherlute sonnet
From Drayton's Sonnets, 1599 Sonet 9 LOVE once would daunce within my Mistres eye, And wanting musique fitting for the place, Swore that I should the Instrument supply, And sodainly presents me with her face: Straightwayes my pulse playes liuely in my vaines, My panting breath doth keepe a meaner time, My quau'ring artiers be the Tenours straynes, My trembling sinewes serue the Counterchime, My hollow sighs the deepest base doe beare, True diapazon in distincted sound: My panting hart the treble makes the ayre, And descants finely on the musiques ground; Thus like a Lute or Violl did I lye, Whilst the proud slaue daunc'd galliards in her eye. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: waissel II.
Wolfgang Wiehe wrote: hello all, me again. thomas schall has a very nice collection of waissels tabulatura from 1573 on his homepage http:// http://cms.tslaute.de/ cms.tslaute.de/ . the first piece is a praeambulum, very nice music. beate dittmann played it on her cd Wol kumbt der May . unless I am very much mistaken this anonyous piece has a concordance with phalese 1571 no. 5. (theatrum musicum..) are other concordances, perhaps in manuscripts, known? who may be the author of this wonderful piece? greetings from cottbus (near frankfurt an der oder, where waissels printer prints :-) ) wolfgang w. If it's really the fifth piece in theatrum musicum, then it should be: Phalèse 1571[6], 5r, Fantasia Morlaye 1558[4], 5v-6v, Fantasie Phalèse 1568[7], 7r, Fantasia. Which piece in Waissel 1573 is it? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Three RJohnson pieces concordances
Jose Luis Rojo wrote: Hello all, In the CD The Golden Age Restor'd, Lynda Sayce plays three pieces from Chapman's masque Middle Temple and Lincon´s Inn writte for the princess's wedding Elizabeth, daughter of James I These three pieces are in the Krakow ms (Ballets 2, 4 y 5) but they are not the same versions that Lynda plays. A few concordances (I don't know the CD): Masque 1: treble + Bass 10444 103v/1 The first of the Prince his treble + Bass 1044454r/1 The first of the Prince his mandora Skene44 Prince Henreis Maske. lyra viol Browne 76r The Princes Dance. lyra viol Boynton 90v Princes Maske. lute406411r/2 No Title luteBoard 30v/2 The la: Elyza: her masque luteBoard 28r/1 The Princis Masque luteWestminster 1r/1ye princis mask tune keyboard5612 1/1 The Princes Mask keyboardCromwell10v-11r The Princes Masque keyboardOch 92 10r Tapp up all yor strong Beere: keyboard1185342-343 Lincolles Inne Mask: / Or: Gibb: keyboardDralliusNo. 197 Mascharada H. S. M. keyboardZweibrücken No. 104 Mascarata keyboardBoynton 37r The Prince's masque. instrumental ensemble 734 Seq. 2, No. 5 Almande R.J. instrumental ensemble Brade No. 31 Der erste Mascharada des Pfaltzgraffen Masque 2: keyboard5612 1/2 A Masque lute406411v/2-2r/1 Ballet keyboardOch 92 4r The Princes Maske. treble + Bass 1044454r/2 The second treble + Bass 10444 103v/2 The second. luteNn.6.36 18v/3 Maske keyboardFWVB310/4-311 Alman instrumental ensemble Brade No. 32 Der ander Mascharada instrumental ensemble 734 Seq. 2, No. 6 Almande R.J. Masque 3: lute406412r/2 54 / Ballet keyboard9449 4r-5v Almayne treble + Bass 1044454v/1 The third treble + Bass 10444 104r/1 The third luteNn.6.36 18v/2 Maske cittern Dresden 154847v-48r Mascarada luteMontbuysson 78r ballet instrumental ensemble Brade No. 33 Der dritte mascharada Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan, Fanatrsia 8
G. Crona wrote: Hi Rainer, Your ex. 1 makes much more musical sense. For ex. 2, I do prefer the original (see echo in bar 23). I am afraid bar 23 is an argument FOR my suggested emendation, not against it :) Rainer - Original Message - From: adS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:58 PM Subject: [LUTE] Milan, Fanatrsia 8 Dear lute netters, I am currently studying Milan's Fantasia 8 and I think I should change two bars, however, I would like to know other people's opinions: I am tempted to change bar 14 from ___ _0_ _0_ 2__ _2_ ___ to ___ _0_ ___ _0__2__ _2_ ___ Compare bar 17. and - less convincing though(?) - bar 21 from _3__ _01_ _0__2___ to _3__ _0__1___ _02_ Apparently somebody else wanted to change this bar as indicated by an unknown modern hand in the copy kept in Madrid, Biblioteca Nacional, R. 9281 :) Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: I saw my lady weep
Arto Wikla wrote: Dear David, On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, LGS-Europe wrote: ..joyful looks excells. Tears kills the heart... What's with the s-es after the verbs? 'Looks' and 'tears' (noun, for sure in the contaxt) are plural, so I would expect 'excell' and 'kill'. Just an uneducated guess and speculation: somewhere in my mind there are verb forms excelles, killes, etc. I guess I've read those words in our beloved facsimilies, prefaces especially. This could be some form of germanc languages' influence, plural of the verb? Perhaps? But I am sure we'll hear the true explanation soon... :-) Singular verbs with plural nouns were acceptable in Elizabethan English. See for example Macbeth, 1.7.68: Their drenched natures lies as in a death, Cf. Abbott, A Shakespearean Grammar, 3rd edition, 1870, section 333. By the way, this is the same Abbott who wrote Flatland :) Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Besards right hand technique
Stephen Fryer wrote: LGS-Europe wrote: Yes, I have it here. It's a pity he doesn't give an example of what he means, as he does of the thumb-only passages. He is, as you say, very clear about his 'zeiger' in the same passage, so what does he mean with the 'kleinsten finger'? Does someone have this in the original, which I think was not in German? Hm, according to the instructions in Novus Partus (page 116 in the facsimile edition): ... pollice et priori digito necessario vtendum esset. thumb and first finger(?). Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more than 6 courses
Andreas Schlegel wrote: Hello all Has somebody the knowledge, when the first printed books with tablature for a 7-course, 8-course, 9-course and 10-course lute appeared? Please give not only the book, but also the exact page on which the lowest couse is used. I have to verfy my own list. I thought: 7-course one tone below the 6th c.: Newsidler Teutsch Lautenbuch 1574 (but I don't have a copy...) Bakfark, Cracow Lute Book, 1565 This is the first printed book with tablature for a 7-course lute. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gerwig text
I think I have Heft 1. What do you want to know? Rainer aus dem Spring Jorge Torres wrote: Dear List: Does anybody have experience with the following Walter Gerwig publication? Das Spiel der Lauteninstrumente : der Lautenist Berlin-Lichterfelde : R. Lienau, 1961? Heft l. Aus Ein newgeordnet künstlich Lautenbuch.--Heft 2. Aus einer Lautenhandschrift des 16. Jahrhunderts.--Heft 6-7. Alte und neue Musik für das Solospiel. Best, Jorge Torres To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more than 6 courses
Andreas Schlegel wrote: 1611 Rom, Kapsberger 10 course Has anybody mentioned Ballard, 1611. Rainer adS PS I think he does not use all 1ß course in a single piece. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ballet's Lute Book: Blessed be that maid Mary
This looks like staynes moris, the third piece on page 91 of Ms.408/2, Trinity College Library. This manuscript is bound together with the so-called Ballet lute book. I have a film of the manuscripts and a poor XEROX copy of both. I can try to scan the piece and send it. Rainer adS LGS-Europe wrote: Dear Stewart As far as I know, there is nothing in the Ballet Lute Book with the title Blessed be that maid Mary. Do you have a page reference? The nearest I can think of is the unfortunately named Queen Mary's Dump on pp. 4-5, or Sweet was the song the virgin sang on pp. 36-7. It was given to me in an arrangement for harp, by the harp teacher of my music school. Here's my attempt at your trick. Just the beginning of the melody. There may be a transposition: | ||\ | | |\ |\ | |\ | ||| |. | || | -|---|--| -r---r---a---|-ra ---|-a-r-a| -r---|d--r-d-|d-r---a---| -|---|r-| -|---|--| -|---|--| Does this make any sense to you? If not, I'll send you a proper staff notation tomorrow, too late now. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Master Mathias
Stephen Kenyon wrote: I do apologise if you keep on seeing this, I seem to be doing something really daft and it keeps on not getting back to me, so I suppose its not really going anywhere...trouble is, more it happens the more I want to know the answer! Please: Is the Master Mathias His Galiard listed in the LSA Feb 91 from Ballet, the same as one by Holborne? Yes, it is: Source Page/No. Title in source -- 408/1 6Master Mathias his Galliard Dd.2.11 89r/2 Galliard to the pauen last before Ant Holburne Dd.5.78.3 19v/1 A H Marsh386/2-387 A galliard holborne Dd.9.33 66v-67r/1 Galliarde A Holburne Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Suzanna Galliard
The concordance appears in my database - so it can't be new :) Source Page/No.Title in source Dd.2.11 52r/1 Susanna Galliard Musical Banquet B1rThe Right Honourable the Lord Viscount Lisle, Lord Chamberlaine to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie, his Galliard / Iohn Douland Batchelar of Musick / [in index:] Syr Robert Sidney his Galliard. / Iohn Douland. LoST L2v-M1r M. Buctons Galiard Füllsack No. 18b Galliard à 5 / Ihon Douland Rainer Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, there is a nice version of Dowland's Suzanna/Lisle's/Bucton's Galliard in an anthology of 5- part instrumental dances by Füllsack und Hildebrandt, Hamburg 1607. See: http://www.icking-music-archive.org/ByComposer/Fullsack.php Ward (A Dowland miscellany) doesn't mention the setting, and Poulton neither (at least in the CLM). Does anybody know whether the setting is regarded as being authentic Dowland? It's a beautiful piece of work, but different from the other settings and with some unusual florishes that we don't find in LoST. And is anyone aware of studies of D's instrumental music in general? I think I read one by Holmann some years ago, are there any others? Thanks and regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Suzanna Galliard
David Tayler wrote: Bucton is Morley, of course :) Of course. Ward suggested Bucton was the courier who worked with Dowland for Sir Henry Cobham in Paris. Dowland's little joke. Please explain. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Green's Almain?
Andrew Hartig wrote: Does anyone know of lute or consort setting (or other setting?) of a Green's Almain? I have not found anything in my database. However, there is a Richard Grene mentioned in the Willoughby lute book. Gre[e]ne was a servant of Sir Francis. Maybe it should be Queen's almain? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Music Notation Software
Taco Walstra wrote: On Sunday 03 February 2008 02:01, Thomas Tallant wrote: Depends a bit which platform you are using but I've used lilypond on linux which is quite good. Lilypond used to be unistallabe on Windows but now it is easy. Of course, Lilypond has no GUI - you have to enter a text file like in tab. However, the output looks promising... There are a few graphical frontends available: noteedit for example. PMX/musixTeX is also a freeware program and is the basis of the large werner icking music archive on internet. It was - many years ago. Today different people use different software for the music they post on the werner icking music archive. Output looks very nice. This program is also very good for continuo figured bass. (see http://icking-music-archive.org/software/indexmt6.html for details) Taco Stay away from musixtex. It is a nightmare Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Much Ado About Nothing - Music
Peter Jones-RR wrote: Dear List, Following your assistance in tracking down music for the production of Much Ado in which I star as Background Lute Player No 1, I turn to the collected wisdom again in an attempt to find some more music that I have been asked to play for the production. Does anyone have a copy of either: 'Fiamengo' - anon. Italian c.1590 - Chilesotti Lutebook Has anybody sent the piece? I have a XEROX copy of Chilesotti's book. 'Green Garters' - anon. Hm, there is a duet treble Greene Garters [index:] Green Garters. in Dd.3.18. No idea if this is what you are looking for... Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new POM - oops
Dear Martin, on your web page you say: Altogether it appears in nine sources Well, I have: Source Page/No.Title in source Schele 64/1 Corante Mercurij A[nn]o 1615. Schele 87/2 Courante Aegidius 99rCourante Basel F.IX.53 11r-12r Courante 402211v/3 [Cou]rant Aegidius122v-123r Courante Fuhrmann162/2 COurante 2. M. L. 25r/2 Corant 33748 I 29v Corandt Turin 5v-6r Courente Herbert 65r/1 Courante Saman Werl91r No Title VarietieQ2v Mounsier Saman his Coranto. / Coranto. 4 Moy 1631R2v Courante Rainer Martin Shepherd wrote: Sorry I forgot to say, the new Piece of the Month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm I also forgot to apologize for the lack of an MP3 for the second piece - I just felt it was too much of a handful to play on 9c, when it's written for 10. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Martin's piece of the month
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[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lutes--the hidden piece
David Rastall wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Robert Margo wrote: I think Mr. Tayler is referring to the 14th piece in Francisque (counting from the beginning of the book). I played it this morning. It is definitely a Dowland theme. That's what I was thinking. It's a Dowland theme, which Francisque took and wrote a galliard on it. Does that make it a piece by Dowland? Of course, Diana Poulton knew of this setting - see her biography, pp 62, 289 and 489. It is well known that David Tayler doesn't accept the Holmes manuscripts or Variety as reliable sources for Dowland's music. Why on earth does he think Dowland has anything to do with this setting of CLM19 that is simply called Galliarde and not attributed to anybody by Francisque. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: life or death
LGS-Europe wrote: Any lute pieces with either word in the title? Preferably English around 1600. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html There is a piece The Soldier's Life appearing in two sources: Source Page/No.Title in source Board 38r/4 the soulders life Osborn fb 7 89r/2 Lusty Soldier In Folger we have: Source Page/No.Title in source Remarks Folger 87v/1 No Titlefragment which appears in keyboard sources as The Burying of ye Dead / The End of ye: Battel Phalèse 1546[18]: Fortune lesse moy la vie. Funerals don't count, do they? Rainer adS
[LUTE] Re: Green Sleeves
This piece is very problematic. But why do you think that it is obviously a consort part? Lyle Nordstrom has attributed many anonymous trebles to Johnson. Others have serious doubts ... Rainer adS Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: I don't think there is such thing as a John Johnson's version of Green Sleeves... ??? Probably you refer to the version in the Dd 3.18, Cambridge Unibversity Library, which is obviously a consort part, but can, of course, easily be adapted as a duet. But nothing in the manuscript points to that destination, or did I miss something ? Best wishes, Jean-Marie === 20-01-2009 16:53:03 === A friend of mine is looking at different versions of Green Sleeves and has asked me if I can help with dating early versions. I can't, but maybe someone here can. He had thought that the William Ballet Lute MS version was the earliest written one. It was compiled between 1595-1610. Does John Johnson's version for two lutes predate Ballet? Thanks, Doc Rossi To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr 20-01-2009
[LUTE] Re: Saintly music?
Christopher Stetson wrote: Hi, everyone, A request: I've been asked on short notice to play for a church service on Sunday at which the sermon will be about Saints -- all different kinds. This congregation has a tradition of musical puns on the sermon topic. I have a vague memory of a lute piece titled Swiet Seint Nicola or something like that; I've probably moved or added an e or two. A quick search, both online and in my hard copies, has failed. I suspect Adrienssen, or Vallet? I suspect several on the list have a better memory that I do. Any help, or suggestions of other pieces for lute or guitar that contain the word Saint, (though I'm not up to St. Louis Blues) would be greatly appreciated. Also, slightly OT, but since I know a few, at least, on this list are interested in American guitar music, I think this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13246258/In-the-Sweet-ByandBy-Transcription-For-Guitar-1888 might be in the program, too. Besard 1617, E2v-E3r, en Reuenant de Saint Nicolas (for lute trio) (and lots of other versions) Osborn fb 7, 84v/5, St. Davids tune Osborn fb 7, 87v, Mr Goodwell his Mask for St. Jo: Coll: Oxforde :) Rotta 1546[15], 34v-35v/1, Sancte paule : Adr. vuilgliar. Neusidler 1549[6], e3r, Sant Merten bringt der gesellschaft vil. 8. I guess any Ave Sanctissima does not count(?)... Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Josquin
wolfgang wiehe wrote: Hi, John H Robinson posted his list from 1997 Lute intabulations of music by Josquin in prints and manuscripts to the lute list some years ago. I have a paper copy. Wolfgang w. Here we go Rainer Adieu mes amours Adieu mes amoursMunich 272 ff.52v-53 Adieu mes amoursWertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10 Benedicta Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11 / Per illiud ave II ditto / [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] ditto Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8 / Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum ditto / Tertia Pars Nunc materditto Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429 ff.38v-43v / Per illud ave Secunda parsParis 429 ff.44-45v / Nunc mater Tertia parsParis 429 ff.46-47 Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125] Thistlethwaite ff.47v-50 Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84 Chuor languor Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v Circumdederunt Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138 Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir [Spinacino] Dallis pp.168-9 Cum sancto spiritu Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74 Et in terra pax [Missa pange linqua] Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129 Et resurrexit de lomo arme [Missa l'homme arme] Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella *Capirola (c.1517) p.106 =46ors seulement [not in printed sources] Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18 For seulament [Gerle 15331/41]Munich 272 ff.57v-58 Hec dicit dominus [not in printed sources] Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum JosquinMunich 267 ff.26v-27 In exitu Israell / Deus autem / Dominus memor In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85 / In exitu Israell der ander taill [2: Deus autem] ditto / In exitu Israell der drit taill [3: Dominus memor]ditto Inviolata / Nosta vt pura / O Beningna Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocumMunich 267 ff.2v-4 / Secunda Pars Nosta vt pura ditto / Tertia Pars O Beningnaditto Mille Regres Mille RegresMunich 266 f.41 Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v Mille regresWroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter Király] Basel F.IX.70 p.299 Plus mil Regres Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v Preter Rerum Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82 Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen [2: Virtus sancti spiritus] ditto Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocumWroclaw 352 ff.3-5v Qui habitat Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17 / Secunda Pars Non accedat ditto Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80 / Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] ditto Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4 Qui tollis pechata mundi [Missa pange linqua] Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.132 Stabat Mater Dolorosa V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151 [HomolyaBenko 37] Combined prints and manuscripts: MASSES [more or less complete settings]: Missa Ave Maris Stella [Benedictus] Otra missa de Jusquin de ave maristella Pisador (1552) cf. Fantasia acomposturada de cierta parte de la missa de Ave maristella de Josquin Valderrabano (1547) Missa Beata Virgine [Cum sancto spiritu] Otra missa de Jusquin de beata virgen Pisador (1552) Missa Dicha [Credo] Missa Fa Re Mi Re? Otra missa de Jusquin que va sobre fa re mi re Pisador (1552) Missa de Faysan Regres [Et in terra pax, Et incarnatus est] Missa de Fortuna Desesperata [Benedictus, Pleni] Missa de la Fuga [Cum sancto spiritu] Otra missa de Jusquin de la fugaPisador (1552) Missa de Gaudeamus Otra missa de Jusquin de gaudeamus Pisador (1552) Missa de Hercules [Pleni sunt celi] Missa de Jusquin, de Ercules dux ferrarie Pisador (1552) Missa L'homme arme [Agnus dei, Et resurrexit?] Otra missa de super bozes musicales Jusquin, missa L'homme arme super voces musicales Pisador (1552) Missa Misma Missa Pange Lingua [Benedictus, Et in terra pax?] Missa Sine Nomine [Cum sancto spiritu] Missa de la Sol Fa Re Mi [Christe] Missa sobre la sol fa re mi Pisador (1552) INDIVIDUAL PARTS: 1. Absolon fili mi Absolon fili mi Ochsenkun (1558) 2. Adieu mes amours Adieu mes amoursSpinacino (1507) Adieu mes amoursGerle (1533) Adiu mes amours Newsidler (1536) Adiu mes amours [again] Newsidler (1536) Adiu mes amours Drusina (1556) Adieu mes amoursMunich 272
[LUTE] Re: Nürnberger Hausbücher
Welter is mentioned by Zuth and the Royal Academy of Music owns another portrait (from the Spencer collection). Rainer adS henner.kahl...@t-online.de wrote: Dear all, this is an interesting link for all who are interested in historical professions and tools, the Nürnberger Hausbücher of two foundations, which took care of elder artisans: http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/index.php?do=querymo=2 English subjct terms: http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/index.php?do=pagemo=8 The only musician mentioned is a lute player (Lautenspieler); you can see his picture playing a lute: http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/75-Amb-2-317b-109-v/data The text in German says that he was a quiet, pious man who read very much without needing glasses until his death, he was nearly 85 years old when he died. (Dieser Brueder starb den 5 April A(nn)o 1645 Ein Viertel stund vor dem Garauß zu abents. Ist gar ein stiller, fromer und Gottsfürchtiger Mann gewesen gern und vleisich geleßen ja biß in sein End ohne Brillen. Ist in dieser Stifftung geweßen 13 Jahr Weniger 5 Monath und Ist sein gantzes Alter 85 Jahr dem Gott gnädig sein wolle). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: thysius manuscript
I paid a fortune for the film (and much less for XEROX copies) and I must say - it is certainly not a very important manuscript. Many poor versions of well known and not so well known music. It is - sort of - a collector's item. Of course, I will buy it :) Rainer adS angevin...@att.net wrote: Can any one comment on what is in this manuscript? Maybe some of everything for so many pages? I couldn't find any info in the books I looked at. Thanks. Suzanne -- Original message from Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl: -- Dear lutenetters, I just got an email from the dutch lute society where they mention that at last the Thysius manuscript will become available. Members of the NLV can pre-order the book for aNOT70,-- (+ postage), members of other lute societies will pay aNOT80,-- and normal price is aNOT90,--. The book is actually a 3 volume hardbound box with about 1000 pages. Not 1000 pages of Da Milano quality, but certainly interesting book containing many unique pieces. More info: http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/page7.php Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: München 266
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Arto Wikla Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:40 AM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: München 266 b...@symbol4.de wrote: http://www.file-upload.net/download-1636531/Munich-ms266.pdf.html Great! Thanks Bernd! Does anyone know any analysis - concordances etc. - of this ms.? Arthur's dissertation? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Test
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[LUTE] CLM 101 - 104
Hello everybody, could somebody please tell (with exact sources - manuscript, folio and title) me what pieces have the numbers 101... in CLM (Poulton Lam)? I only have the first edition :) and for a reason I do not know I have only 104 in my database. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nicolas Vallet
http://gerbode.net/ft2/sources/vallet/ Rainer adS On 25.03.2010 13:30, Shaun Ng wrote: Dear All, I was wondering if Nicolas Vallet's Secret de Muses (1615) is available online in facsimile. I am looking to do some research on his ornaments. Many thanks. Shaun Ng -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dallis lute book
On 27.03.2010 01:28, Mark Probert wrote:
From my database:
The (so-called) Dallis Lute Book
Dublin, Trinity College Library, MS 410/1
Olim: D.3.30/I
Note: Bound with the unrelated MS 410/2, the `Dublin Viginal Manuscript'.
For a detailed discussion of the book see \cite{DallisWard} and
\cite{DallisWard2}.
Concerning Dallis, see also \cite{HarwoodDallis}.
The book contains some music for bandora, too.
Rainer adS
Hi...
t
t Does anyone know if the 'Dallis' lute book in Trinity College, Dublin (Ms.
D. 3. 30 ) is all in renaissance tuning (or transitional), and has it ever been
published, or made available online?
t thanks
t
I have tried to track this one down as well. I believe that the short
answers are: Renaissance, no, and no.
There are some tunes available in collections from the English Lute
Society, though I have no way of verifying their accuracy.
.. mark
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[LUTE] Re: Ghostview/Ghostscript
On 22.05.2010 18:06, Monica Hall wrote: This is the message which gives the details of the Ghostview program. I have eliminated the name of the person who sent it me in case he is not on the list now and prefers to be anonymous. Monica: The most up-to-date files are listed on the server of the University of Wisconsin. Here: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ As of today the recommended release is GPL Ghostscript 8.61. Better have a look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/ Rainer adS PS Currently both have the same version :) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Munich 1522
Dear lute-netters, I have no idea if this has been posted already: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00050861/image_1 I can't read it but It looks like guitar tablature :) Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fabritio Dentice?
Dear lute-netters, in Woltz, Johann: NOVA MVSICES ORGANICAE TABVLATVRA§ there is a piece 5. Ah flebilem vitam Fabric.Dentici Does anybody know if this is our Fabricio Dentice? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Piece by Holborn
Who says this is a piece by Holborne? Rainer adS On 04.01.2011 09:59, Alain wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking for the source of a pavan by Holborn that begins like this: http://musickshandmade.com/lute/Holborn-unknown.jpg If possible I'd like the title of the piece, the source MS name and page/folio references. It is one of the rare Holborn pavans in G major so I hope it is not too complicated to find. Many thanks! Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Hainhofer
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[LUTE] 2987
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[LUTE] Re: tracking down Airs de cour
On 21.01.2011 00:23, Bruno Fournier wrote: I probably haveA them in myA AirsA de CoursA anthology, I have to check AreA youA sureA ?A RainerA adSA A Bruno Montreal, Canada On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey Noonan [1]jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A A vocal student here at the university just asked for help locating a A couple airs de cour he wants to put on a recital. I'm swamped with A performance and class preparation and my time for doing this sort of A digging is limited right now. I can eventually get to it, but the A sooner we find these the better. A Would anyone on the list have either of the following songs in a format A you would be willing to share with my student? Facsimle or modern A edition would be fine. A PDF scan might be easiest way to send them. A A cursory on-line search has not turned either of these up quickly in the A usual lute music resources. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A He is looking for: A Aux plaisirs, aux delices bergeres by Guedron A Cesses, o divine beaute by Boesset A If you have either, you can email me or him directly--his email is A [1][2]jdalexande...@semo.edu A Thanks in advance for any help you can offer us. A See ya A jeff A A __ A -- References A 1. mailto:[3]jdalexande...@semo.edu To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:jdalexande...@semo.edu 3. mailto:jdalexande...@semo.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Terzi
In google books search for inauthor:Giovanni Antonio Terzi Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Terzi
Erm, of course you should look for books with full view only :) Rainer On 03.02.2011 22:00, adS wrote: In google books search for inauthor:Giovanni Antonio Terzi Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Praetorius, Michael - Volte (CCXLIII)
By the way, does anybody know of a concordance list for Terpsichore? Apparently there's not even a decent modern edition... Rainer PS I know of lute concordances for 32 pieces. On 01.03.2011 18:58, Anton Höger wrote: Hi, I have uploaded a new Lute duet ad Secundam. Praetorius, Michael - Volte (CCXLIII) here is the link: 2 Lutes (ad Secundam) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=2ff9bbd6c00cf4bce5c3dee5769931ec1dfabc6e2bda0fe2a601da0f25e869f4 Enjoy this fine music. Anton Revised. 1.) the mp3 file of Praetorius, Michael - Ballet (CCLXVIII) (it was too big) 2.) Lasso Fantasia 2 corrected alterations /single line duo) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] The Miller/Nutmegs and Ginger
Dear lute netters, According to Sally Harper, An Elizabethan Tune List from Lleweni Hall, North Wales, Royal Musical Association Research Chronicle, No. 38 (2005), pp. 45-98 'A pleasant ballad of the mery miller's wooing of the Baker's daughter of Manchester' in the ShirburnBallads,beginning 'The miller in his best array, / would needs a wooinge ride' is prescribed to be sung with this tune.[the tune Nutmegs and ginger] On the other hand there is a piece A Miller would a-wooing ride in the Westminster fragment which is concordant with Holborne's The Miller, CS, C4v. I can't see any connection. Any idea, anybody? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Susanne ung jour
On 10.04.2011 19:36, Hilbert Jörg wrote: Dear friends, I am currently working on a very nice flute variation on Susanne ung jour by Bassano, which is obviously based on a song of Orlando di Lasso. I am very interested in this song and in additional lute material, but I can’t find too much about it in the internet. Does anybody know, if there is some free material out there, which I may not have found yet? Thanks, Jörg -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Here - as usual - my concordance list: Rainer adS 68. Susanna orlando Suzanne Un Jour, Orlando di Lasso 40032 38 Susanna di Orlando Lasso a quatro per Canta senza molta glosa 40032 46/2 Susanna di Orlando Lassus senza glosa; fragment 40032 50/1 Clausola di Susanna 40032 51/2 Clausola di Susanna 40032 70-71 Susanna vn guir a 5. uoci . 40032 105/4 Clausola di Susanna 40032 107/5 Clausola di Susanna 40032 120-122/1 Susana Barbetta 15821 I3v-I4r Susanne ung jour a5 Besard 1603 61r/2-62r Svsanne vn iour alterius toni. Dc.5.125 37v-39r [No title] Dessau 12150 68v-69r Susanna ung jour M. D. H. Dessau 12150 79v-80r Susana ung jour Hainhofer 2,31v-33v Susan vn iour Orlando Lasso Jobin 15721 C4v/2-D1v 1. Susanne vng Iour. / [index:] 1 Susanne vng Iour. Orland. Kargel 15741 C1v/2-C2v/1 12. Susann Vng Iour. / [index:] Susan vng iour Lvov 60v-62r Susana Un Jori; Fragment? Molinaro1599 130/2-132 Susanne un jour, Canzone Francese a Cinque di Orlando Lasso / Intauolata dal Gostena. Phal`ese 156312 45r/2 Susanne ung jour Phal`ese 15687 52v-53r/1 Svsanne vn iour,a 5. / Orlando. Phal`ese 15687 53r/2 Svsanne vn iour a 5. Phal`ese 15687 53v-54r/1 Svsanne vn iour,a 5. plus diminu´ee, / Orlando. Phal`ese 15716 70v Susanne un jour / Orlando Raimondo 58v-63r Susanna del Cauagliere Rome 1608 13v [No title] 13 Schneider 9v-12r Susana un Giorno Stockholm M4 3r-3v Susanna 5 vocum Thysius 178r-179v Susanna ung Jour. a .5. Thysius 180r-181r Susanne ung Jour . a .5. in Contra tenor. Wickhambrook 13v-14r/1 [No title] Wien 19259 1v Susanne un iour. 5 vocum; fragment Wien 19259 10r Orlando. Svsanne vn ioue a. 5 Wurstisen 80-82 XVI Susanne ung jour `a cinq Orland Wurstisen 91-92 XXVII Susanne ung jour Orlando di Lasso Wurstisen 101-102 XL Susanna For lute duet Terzi 1593 38/2-39/1 Susanne un iour:Canzon Francese a la quarta, per sonar solo a doi liutti:; lute 1 Terzi 1593 39/2-43/1 Contrapunto sopra Susanne un iour di Orl˜ado a5. Per suonar a doi liutti in quarta, in Concerto.; lute 2 For cittern Kargel 15753 B4v-C1v Susan ung Jour / Orlando Phal`ese 15825 24v-25v Susanne un jour / Orlando For lute and voice Bottegari 3v-4r ??? For instrumental ensemble Bassano 15912 33 Susanna un giur Lasso a 5 Dalla Casa 15842 12 Susana un giur / Orlando Lasso a 5 ; ornamented version of superius part only Dalla Casa 15842 13 Susana un giur. Alio modo; ornamented version of superius part only For keyboard Ammerbach 71 91v-94r 1. Susanna Cabez´on 148r-149r Susana un jur glossada de Hernando de Cabe¸con Cabez´on 149v-151r Susana Coelho 1620 ??? Susanna grosada [4 versions] Danzig 300 38v ??? L¨offelholtz 17v-18r 22 / Susana Vng jour Neresheim21 9v Susanna Vngiur Schmid 15776 N4v-O2r Susanne ung Jour / [index:] Susann ung Jour. Orlandi A 5. For lute and voices (SB) Novum Pratum 16v/2-18r Svsann’vn iour `a 5. Orlando. / [index:] Susanne vn iour a 5 Orlando de Lasso Pratum 15846 29v-31r Svsanne vn iour. / [index:] Susanne vn jour Orlando di Lasso cf. MN 83: Suzanne Un Jour (Lasso), Melchior Neusidler 266 13v-14r Susanna / Vng Jour A. 5. / di Orlanto, for lute 266 120v-121r Susanna, for lute 2987 12r-12v MN Susanna Ung Jour, for lute 40598 35v-36v i Susanne 5 vocum Orla:, for lute Neusidler 15663 18/2-21/1 C˜azoni Fr˜acese a 5. Susanne ung iour, for lute Neusidler 15731 No. II/10 10. Susanne ung iour, for lute Phal`ese 15716 71v-72r Susanne un jour. Alio modo, for lute Waissel 15733 E1v-E2v 22 Susanne vng iour. / [index:] Susanne ung iour. V. vocum. Orlandi., for lute 14 cf. Besard 1603 57v-58r Svsanne vn iour / Transpositio Laurencini, for lute cf. Suzanne Un Jour (set by Francisque), Antoine Francisque Francisque 2r-4r/1 Svsanne vn iour d orlande. / [page heading:] SVSANE VN IOVR., for lute cf. MN 22: Ricercar super Suzanne un Jour, Melchior Neusidler Dessau 12150 30v-31v Ricercar Super Susan’ung’jour MN, for lute cf. Fantasia sopra Susane un jour, Giulio Severino Molinaro1599 133-135/1 Fantasia di Giulio Seuerino sopra Susane un jour., for lute cf. Suzanne un Jour (Brookes, No. 1007) 29485 7v-9v Susanna Vung Jour / Orlando Lasso.a.5., for keyboard 30485 51v-53r Susanne ungiour A 5 voc: Orlando, for keyboard cf. Suzanne Un Jour, Didier Lupi, Second 4748 86v-87r Susanna ung Jour, for keyboard Dallis 100-101 Susanne, for lute Dallis 138-139/1 Susanne Ung iour / Susan ung iour damour solicite e, for lute Kargel 15753 B1v-B2r Susan ung Jour, for cittern Kargel 15784 B1r Susan ung jour, for cittern Kargel 15865 48r Susan
[LUTE] Re: Robert Johnson
On 09.05.2011 02:57, Ron Andrico wrote: We have a short blog post in honor of Robert Johnson's centenary, with some contrasting comments about the other Robert Johnson. [1]http://mignarda.wordpress.com/ Best wishes, Ron Donna -- By the way, Robert Johnson died on 18.Nov.1633. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Robert Johnson
On 15.05.2011 18:02, howard posner wrote: Is it too late to send flowers? You are so funny. Ron writes Robert Johnson (c. 1583 – c. 1634) For whatever reason most musicologists don't know Sister Jean Carmel's article: New Light on Robert Johnson, the King's Musician Jean Carmel Shakespeare Quarterly Vol. 16, No. 2 (Spring, 1965), pp. 233-235 When I told Ian Harwood many years ago it was too late for the New Grove. Rainer adS PS Today a transcription of MS. V. b. 198 is available on the net: http://www.archive.org/details/southwellsibthor00soutuoft To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Robert Johnson
I have a paper copy. However, I am sure somebody has access to JSTOR. I have access fromn the universioty library here in Duesseldorf but not from home. On 15.05.2011 19:20, Franz Mechsner wrote: Does anyone have a pdf of Sister Jean Carmel's article or a hint how I could get it electronically, which would spare the trouble of interlibrary loan? I am eager to read it and would be extremely grateful, and am sure others would be as well. Franz Dr. Franz Mechsner Northumbria University, Dept. of Psychology Northumberland Building Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST (UK) Tel: +44(0) 191 227 7479 Fax: +44(0) 191 227 3190 Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu im Auftrag von adS Gesendet: So 15.05.2011 19:02 An: Lute net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Robert Johnson On 15.05.2011 18:02, howard posner wrote: Is it too late to send flowers? You are so funny. Ron writes Robert Johnson (c. 1583 - c. 1634) For whatever reason most musicologists don't know Sister Jean Carmel's article: New Light on Robert Johnson, the King's Musician Jean Carmel Shakespeare Quarterly Vol. 16, No. 2 (Spring, 1965), pp. 233-235 When I told Ian Harwood many years ago it was too late for the New Grove. Rainer adS PS Today a transcription of MS. V. b. 198 is available on the net: http://www.archive.org/details/southwellsibthor00soutuoft To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Holborne's Cittern School
See my Holborne edition :) Rainer adS On 26.05.2011 10:05, Rob MacKillop wrote: A friend sent me the following, which I will delight some of you, I'm sure...Original Latin below the translation: Charles Fitzgeoffrey of Cornwall, Epigram 75 ON ANTHONY HOLBORNE'S MUSIC SCHOOL [1]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif [2]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/grsqr01.gif http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif Why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth for whom your Cytherea [3]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif has made a name, the school which Holborne, adroit at teaching, a master of the lyric art, has opened for you? And you, boy, who still wears the look of the youthful, smooth-cheeked, beardless lads, and you whose swifter, loftier chariot has attained the roads of manhood, why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth? And you too, o bittersweet bevy who have just now dedicated your dolls to Venus, you maidenly chorus, why not seek out Cittern School, o youth? Why draw back your timid feet, you sweet little boys and girls? Here no hairy Master Orbilius [4]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif sits, fearful for his gloomy expression, but much more fearful for his rod, as he wields the stick with a menacing hand, o Jupiter, a dire and evil stick, which with its mighty blow savagely rends tender skin and draws blood; why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth? Here no golden rod repels you, but the liquid honey attracts you. For here there is no stick, save that which caresses the sonorous cittern's strings. And here there are no blows, save those which strike the harmonious cittern's strings. And here there are no murmurs, save those which the sounds of the noble cittern emits. Why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth? You whose heart is scourged with seething grief, wasting away with anxious sorrow, if your care is to tame the oppressive passion of a heart [5]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif that ebbs and flows, why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth? http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif But you, Holborne, who attracts the Graces, the Dicae, and the Horae with your seductive quill, of a musician of the melodious lute, you will win the prize of a blooming garland. If perchance deaf Cerberus should bark at you with his triple-jawed grin, with the power of your harmony you will break the fierce dog's wretched teeth in his tooth-breaking mouth. http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif But you to whom the musical juice is delightsome, why not seek out the Cittern School, o youth? 75. IN SCHOLAM MUSICAM ANTONI HOLBORNI [6]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif [7]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/grsqr01.gif Quin petis cytharae scholam, iuvenus, Cui nomen Cytherea vestra fecit, [8]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif Quam vobis aperit catus docendi Holbornus, melicae magister artis? Et qui impubes adhic genasque leves [9]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/redsquare.gif http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif 5 Imberbesque puer refers ephebos, Et cui fortior altioris aevi Currus attigit orbitas virilis, Quin petis cytharae scholam, iuventus? Tuque o dulcacidus puellularum 10 Quae pupas Veneri modo dicarunt Caetus, virgineus chorus, venusta Quin petis cytharae scholam, iuventus? Quid pedes removetis hinc timenteis, Puellique puelluluaeque dulces? http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif 15 Non hic Orbilius sedet magister [10]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01.gif Hirsutus tetrico tremendus ore, Sed multo ferula magis timendus, Dum dextra quatit imminente virgam, Diram, Iupiter, improbamque virgam, http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif 20 Quae plaga teneram potente pellem Saevum lancinat extrahitque sanguen; Quin petis cytharae scholam, iuventus? Hic nullos ferula aurea repellit, Sed cunctos melica allicit saliva. http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif 25 En hic virgula nulla, praeter illam Quae mulcet cytharae fides sonorae. En hic verbera nulla praeter illa Quae pulsant cytharae fides canorae. En hic murmura nulla, praeter illa http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/spacer.gif 30 Quae reddic Cytharae sonus decorae. Quin petis cytharae scholam, iuventus? Tu cui vapulat aestuante luctu Pectus, anxifero dolore squallens, Si curae est iecoris tibi gravantem [11]http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/affaniae/blsqr01
[LUTE] Re: Bachelar still known in 1690
On 09.07.2011 19:33, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Historische Beschreibung der Edelen Sing- und Klingkunst ... by Wofgang CasparPrintz. which you can find here: http://diglib.hab.de/drucke/xb-1894/start.htm Excellent. See page 135 (picture 157). Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bachelar still known in 1690
On 11.07.2011 19:53, adS wrote: On 09.07.2011 19:33, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Historische Beschreibung der Edelen Sing- und Klingkunst ... by Wofgang CasparPrintz. which you can find here: http://diglib.hab.de/drucke/xb-1894/start.htm Excellent. See page 135 (picture 157). Rainer Posted again - something went wrong (I think) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute matters
Dear Ron, the rhythm in bar 33 of the Dowland piece is not correct - I think. Cf. bar 41. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for 16th/17th century melodies
Have a look at www.liederenbank.nl Rainer adS On 10.11.2011 18:35, David van Ooijen wrote: Dear collected wisdom I am looking for 16th or early 17th century melodies with the following titles: - Een zaterdagje na de noene - Essex leijdt - O schoonste schoonheid wreed - Mes pleurs se sont changés en ris These four titles are used for four poems by Dutch poet P. C. Hooft (1581-1647) as indications for melodies on which the poems shouod be sung. Any help, hints, suggestionsc. appreciated. David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Palindrome alert
... (1031 ones) is a prime. Rainer adS On 11.11.2011 01:57, G.R. Crona wrote: 11-11-11 ;) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chow Bente
On 14.02.2012 16:22, Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Leonard and David, John Robinson explains the origin of Chow Bent in footnote 133 on page 24 of the Introduction to the Lute Society facsimile of Dd.2.11, for which Rainer aus dem Spring is thanked in the Acknowledgements on page 8. That was a big surprise :) and not so easy to find. Anyway, do you happen to know anything about Martyn Hodgson's unravelling the connection between the various settings of Anthony Holborne's 'The Cradle'? I can't find anything in the facsimile edition. Maybe, I'm blind ;( Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My facsimile list
Perhaps you should use a tool like checkplaces to remove all the dead links. Rainer adS On 29.06.2012 15:09, T.Kakinami wrote: Dear list, My facsimile list was released. Please note this list is still incomplete. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.jp/2012/06/facsimiles-list-preliminary.html * Toshiaki Kakinami E-mail : tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Blog : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com * To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Long live the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek
http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00071964-0 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00071965-5 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00071963-5 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00071962-9 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072004-0 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072005-6 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077418-2 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072006-1 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072007-6 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077419-3 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077420-5 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077412-0 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077413-6 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00077414-1 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00072008-2 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00031267-3 Probably more Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: John Cage centennial: A Room (played on a lute)
4'33 - RIP Rainer adS On 21.12.2012 01:42, howard posner wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude. And if you want a sort of Cage suite, I've found that 2'33 works as well on the lute as it does on piano/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Melchior Neusidler
Probably 4 Ricercar MN Dessau BB 12150, ff. 29r-30r Rainer adS On 02.03.2013 16:57, Peter Martin wrote: Does anyone know where to locate the music for the piece entitled Fantasia 21 on Paul O'Dette's CD? It doesn't seem to be in the printed books and I can't see it in Arthur Ness's list of manuscript works. Thanks for any leads! Peter -- Peter Martin 84 Victoria Terrace Stafford ST16 3HA tel: 01785 223722 mob: 07971 232614 [1]peter.l...@gmail.com -- References 1. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Neusidler Tab?
On 19.05.2013 21:57, Julian Templeman wrote: Does anyone know of a source for a transcription of Nun lob mien Seel den herren, as recorded by Paul O'Dette on his Neusidler album? Thanks, julian -- Templeman Consulting Limited IT Consulting and Training -- Hainhofer, Book I, f. 35v See: http://diglib.hab.de/wdb.php?dir=mss%2F18-7-aug-2fpointer=0 It is page 78 http://diglib.hab.de/mss/18-7-aug-2f/start.htm?image=00078 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: passingmeasures wanted!
This is certainly a copyright violation - the whole CD on youtube. Anyway, the piece in question may be found in Dd.3.18, ff. 62r-63r http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/facsimiles/cambridge_university_library/Dd.3.18/ Rainer adS On 25.06.2013 16:53, Anton Birula wrote: Dear Lute friends could anyone help us get hold of the score of the PASSINGMEASURES 11.42 on this recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIRM82LgymU Will appreciate a lot your help! Thanks in advance! Warmest wishes, Anna Kowalska Anton Birula www.luteduo.com i...@luteduo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimile
For example 40032: http://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=193682from=PIONIER%20DLF Rainer On 28.07.2013 00:43, Rainer wrote: Search for lute, tabulatur, lautenbuch, vihuela, http://www.europeana.eu/portal/ On the pages you'll visit you may find more. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 40620
http://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=145083from=PIONIER%20DLF Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature fonts for Fronimo
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[LUTE] Hamlet is Banned
http://blog.inkyfool.com/2013/08/hamlet-is-banned.html?m=0 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Rochester, New York, Eastman School of Music, Sibley Music Library, MS M.140.V.186
http://hdl.handle.net/1802/27721 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Vihuela
Milan: http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/75130 http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/webclient/DeliveryManager?pid=201461custom_att_2=simple_viewer Narvaez: http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/webclient/DeliveryManager?pid=2691784custom_att_2=simple_viewer Mudarra: http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/webclient/DeliveryManager?pid=2688613custom_att_2=simple_viewer Valderrábano: http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es:80/webclient/DeliveryManager?pid=3510057custom_att_2=simple_viewer Pisador: http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/webclient/DeliveryManager?pid=3510066custom_att_2=simple_viewer Fuenllana: http://www.bibliotecavirtualdeandalucia.es/catalogo/catalogo_imagenes/grupo.cmd?path=1000562interno=Spresentacion=paginaposicion=1 Dazahttp://purl.pt/765/ http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0007/bsb00077220/image_1 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Gamera
Dear lute-netters, has anybody managed to install gamera on a windows system? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Baroque Lute manuscripts
RM 4137 olim Mf 2004 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107844 RM 4142 olim Mf 2010 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107848 RM 4140 olim Mf 2008 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107846 RM 4143 olim Mf 2011 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107849 RM 4141 olim Mf 2009 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107847 RM 4136 olim Mf 2003 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107840 RM 4135b olim Mf 2001b http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107842 RM 4138 olim Mf 2005 http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107845 RM 4135a olim Mf 2001a] http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107841 Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Claudio Saracini
The second and third book are available at the Digital Library of Wroclaw University. Unfortunately the first book is not :( Rainer adS On 30.01.2014 12:57, jean-michel Catherinot wrote: Dear all, I'm looking for a copy of the libro primo di Claudio Saracini (both songs and solo pieces). Any idea (didn't found it in my usual sources)? Thanks a lot -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute manuscripts
On 02.02.2014 11:54, Matthew Daillie wrote: Dear Rainer, These are great links. Do you know whether it is possible to download the manuscripts? Sorry for my late reply. I had to download your mail from GMX's web mail page. They have decided it is SPAM. No idea why... Anyway, yes, you can download the files. Make sure java script is enabled and then simply press the Download button. After some time a zip file should be downloaded which contains several djvu files one for every single page. Certainly an idiotic idea. Which operating system and which browser do you use? Rainer Many thanks Matthew Daillie Subject: Baroque Lute manuscripts From: adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de mailto:rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:54:59 +0100 RM 4137 olim Mf 2004http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107844 RM 4142 olim Mf 2010http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107848 RM 4140 olim Mf 2008http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107846 RM 4143 olim Mf 2011http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107849 RM 4141 olim Mf 2009http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107847 RM 4136 olim Mf 2003http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107840 RM 4135b olim Mf 2001bhttp://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107842 RM 4138 olim Mf 2005http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107845 RM 4135a olim Mf 2001a]http://fbc.pionier.net.pl/id/oai:ebuw.uw.edu.pl:107841 Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Baroque Lute Fingering (Vallet)
Dear lute-netters, has anybody out there read this article? http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112context=ppr I wonder what others think about it. Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Fingering (Vallet)
On 16.02.2014 20:43, Christopher Wilke wrote: There was another article about Vallet's fingerings by Laudon Schuett published in the LSA Quarterly not so long ago. He reaches essentially the same conclusions as Sandman that Vallet chose fingerings primarily for their musical effect. I'm curious about the origin of this article as well. I have no idea. I found it searching for Vallet tablature files. Looks lie part of a book. By the way, she has also published an article about Robinson's fingering in the Schoole of Musicke many years ago in the LSA journal. Frankly speaking I believe her arguments not exactly convincing. On the one hand, judging from things Ralf mentioned, as well as the fact that the musical examples are simply photocopied from a modern edition and marked by hand, it looks like a student paper. However, the pagination (pp.129-140) and broad section title (Baroque Lute Fingering) make it appear to be submission to an edited and published scholarly collection. (It also seems fairly independent and not part of a larger thesis or dissertation.) If it is part of a book, are there other articles on Baroque Lute Fingering or other lute performance issues in it? Well, Mrs. Sandman has a Ph. D (Stanford 1974) and does play the lute. Rianer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thesaurus harmonicus + Novus oartus
In order to download click on Persistent Identifiers (Page): and then on pdf-download in the north-east corner. This is really idiotic... On 29.05.2014 17:58, Rainer wrote: http://nbn-resolving.de/urn%3Anbn%3Ade%3Abvb%3A12-bsb00086007-1 http://nbn-resolving.de/urn%3Anbn%3Ade%3Abvb%3A12-bsb00085036-7 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] End of democracy in Great Britain?
OT, but really terrifying: Can anybody tell we what is going on in the UK? http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/gchq-intercepted-emails-journalists-ny-times-bbc-guardian-le-monde-reuters-nbc-washington-post?CMP=twt_gu Rainer adS As many lute-nettrs may know I am hopelessly Anglophile ;( To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ramillete de flores
bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=145094 In order to find the music see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramillete_de_flores Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Fantasia
Thank you very much for your fairly smart e-mail. Rainer On 29.03.2015 17:49, Alain wrote: This message by Rainer only reflects his own personal opinion and only engages his responsibility. Many people are known to disagree. Some of them fairly smart. Alain On 03/29/2015 02:45 AM, Rainer wrote: A misunderstanding: On 28.03.2015 23:22, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Rainer, for reminding us that not all governments behave like the US, and Europeans actually take the ECB seriously. Nobody does. The German Bundesbank was independent and never cared what the German government said -never. The infamous ECB is currently buying loans for more than 60 billion (American billions) Euros every month in order to rescue countries like Greece, Portugal, Italy and even France... The Euro certainly was the most stupid invention of all times :( Rainer Sure, the Federal Reserve is supposed to be an independent entity with government oversight, but it simply doesn't happen that way here where regular folks absorb those pesky negative externalities, and bankers set and change the rules at will. Sadly, the average lutenist is not too big to fail, else I'd be demanding my $800 billion. RA Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:56:53 +0100 To: praelu...@hotmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: rads.bera_g...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Fantasia Dear Andrico, you write Or do people today realize that money is merely paper that governments just print and allow to be distributed when and to whom they please? You certainly know that this is nonsense. No government in Europe is allowed to print money. Unfortunately, the ECB is (sort of) :( Rainer On 28.03.2015 19:11, Ron Andrico wrote: We have posted our late Saturday quotes, this week on Ile fantazies de Joskin. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-18G Ron Donna -- References 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-18G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] MS Barbe
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530592353 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dallis book
http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1373/pdf/1373.pdf Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dallis book
On 11.04.2015 13:18, Matteo Turri wrote: .. and why are so many pages missing? Matteo Good question - I have sent an e-mail to Head of Digital Resources Imaging Services a few minutes ago. Rainer On 11 April 2015 at 11:27, adS [1]rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote: [2]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1373/pdf/1373.pdf Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de 2. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1373/pdf/1373.pdf 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dallis book
Tim Keefe Head of Digital Resources Imaging Services Trinity College Dublin told me they will fix the problem as soon as possible. He says it's a software bug. Rainer adS On 11.04.2015 15:18, adS wrote: On 11.04.2015 13:18, Matteo Turri wrote: .. and why are so many pages missing? Matteo Good question - I have sent an e-mail to Head of Digital Resources Imaging Services a few minutes ago. Rainer On 11 April 2015 at 11:27, adS [1]rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote: [2]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1373/pdf/1373.pdf Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de 2. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1373/pdf/1373.pdf 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] The Lutezine 113
has no page numbers. I wonder why :) Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Christenings and burials
Dear collected wisdom, Does anybody out there know if in urgent cases (the black death) babies may have been christened and buried on the same day in the the late 16th century in London? Best wishes, Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dallis facsimile
I sent a reminder some weeks ago. They told me they have no cataloguer [sic!] any more. Next time they will probably say they have no page turner... Looks like incompetence and/or laziness. Rainer On 12.07.2015 22:24, Matteo Turri wrote: And why is the facsimile of the Dallis book at Trinity still offered as what seems a random collection of its pages? [1]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/#folder_id=1373pidtopage=MS41 0_001entry_point=1 We got an answer in April - see below - but still ... Tim Keefe Head of Digital Resources Imaging Services Trinity College Dublin told me they will fix the problem as soon as possible. He says it's a software bug. Rainer adS -- References 1. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/#folder_id=1373pidtopage=MS410_001entry_point=1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Questions for MonicaByrd Galliard
On 12.07.2015 09:08, John Mardinly wrote: Does anybody have any idea what the source of the tablature is for this William Byrd Galliard? That's from the Weld(e) Book f.8 (Andrea probably uses the old OU edition) A list of concordances: Source Page/No.Title in source Remarks 5612134 The Galliard [to the pavan before] CS I3v-I4r Maister Birds Galliard. Set by Holborne Dd.2.11 101v/2 Mr. Birdes Dd.4.23 1v/2 Mr. Birds Galliarde.set by Holborne Dd.9.33 59v-60/1No Title FWVB285/2-286/1 Galiarda / William Byrd. Hirsch 2r/2 No Title Nevell 61v-62vmr: w: birde: / the galliarde to the same: Welde8r/1 The Galiard Mr Birde If you don't have Welde I can scan it for you - or any other version for lute. Best wishes, Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Lutes and brains
Now I remember. Isn't he the guy who played Dowland with the Karamazov brothers? Rainer On 29.08.2015 22:30, Ron Andrico wrote: Ouch. Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:57:48 -0700 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Lutes and brains On Aug 29, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Rainer rads.bera_g...@t-online.de wrote: I have no idea who Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner is. Oddly enough, Sting said something similar. His 1985 documentary Bring on the Night has footage of a press conference in which some British press person prefaces a question by addressing him as Gordon, as if they were on a first-name basis. Sting replied along the lines of Who is this Gordon person? As the would-be questioner tried to point out that Gordon was, after all, his real name, Sting replied, My wife calls me Sting. My children call me Sting. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
