Re: [newbie] Updating kernel versions via RPMs
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:13:51 -0500 Mike Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always updated my kernel by downloading the kernel sources from www.kernel.org, and configuring/compiling by hand, and then adding the resulting kernel to lilo.conf by hand. This time, tho, I'd like to try using Mandrake's kernels. My current lilo has 3 kernel entries right now - the orig 2.4.8 that came with Mdk 8.1, and the generic 2.4.9 and 2.4.10 that I've downloaded, configured and compiled myself. Q: if I install all the latest 2.4.13 kernel RPMs from Cooker (using rpm -ivh *.rpm, where *.rpm are the latest kernel sources, headers, docs, and the binary of the kernel itself) ... what will that do to my lilo? Will the kernel install itself as vmlinuz in /boot? Meaning that I should then choose the lilo option that defaults to this binary file to boot with? Will it make an initrd image (I always use one)? I don't want to lose my previous kernels; I need to be able to boot back into them for a while longer yet (I use Win4Lin, which uses kernel patches, but is not yet available for 2.4.13, the latest stable kernel). Would I be better off just installing the Mdk sources, headers and docs rpms, and then compling and installing the kernel by hand? I install the kernel rpm only, using rpm -ivh I then run lilo which adds the new kernel to the boot menu. In the case of 2.4.13-2 it is added as 2413-2. No other entries are affected. I will double check all my config files and then reboot. Booting the 2413-2 kernel if there are no problems either with the itself or with anthing else after running it for a test period I will then install the kernel headers, source, and docs. When downloading the soure, headers and doc I place them in a sepeate directory kernel-xxx. When ready to install them I cd to the directory and rpm -Uvh *rpm I then decide if I wish to change the 2413-2 name in the lilo boot meunu,set it as the default kernel and rerun lilo. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
In Mandrake 7.1 there are i think all of the how-to from the linux-doc site. In there is one from the kernel, It is very good, read it. All things in Linux need prepeation. If you don't you mess it all up. (even though that it fun) Also go to www.linuxnewbie.org - very good. Mark Hillary. "Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root" wrote: Mark Hillary wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the "loading" bit. Regards, Ozz.
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: Mark Hillary wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the "loading" bit. Regards, Ozz. Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to follow it's instructions. "-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
The biggest reason I haven't done it yet is because I can't seem to find a really good walk through for doing it. I'm adventurous but I don't want to go there without a little backup. Do you know where I could find a good walk through? Hey, Mandrake peoples, hows about a neato kernel walkthrough on the old web site? This would be lovingly used by many of us. Dacia --- Mark Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Mark Hillary Paul wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, patrick darcy wrote: it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl linux out .. I agree, I am going to sit it out here nice and quiet, having my linux machines run along nicely. Things are all up and humming, I am happy with it. As soon as a new release comes out, I will get the CD;s and upgrade that way. Paul -- Babies are nature's way to make people meet the world. At 2am. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=- __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
thanks Tom. You answered my questions before I sent them. I've pretty much ruined my recent install by mucking about trying to get X 4.01 installed and working. I suspect I need to re-install so I'm going to "practice" updating the kernel before I do that just for shits and giggles. Dacia --- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: Mark Hillary wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the "loading" bit. Regards, Ozz. Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to follow it's instructions. "-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is no www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource so frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't have to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. Patti Registered Linux user #184611 Tom Brinkman wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: Mark Hillary wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the "loading" bit. Regards, Ozz. Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to follow it's instructions. "-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is no www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource so frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't have to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. I have been for some time. I was fortunate to find out about it as soon as it started up not that long ago (another good reason to lurk on the cooker list ;) BTW it is the efforts of just one man "MandrakeUser.Org is me, Tom Berger. I live in Berlin, the capital of Germany. I'm (almost) 31 years old and work as a freelancer. I've studied Philosophy, History and Ancient Philology and have been working as a male nurse for five years. I write the MUO pages, maintain them, coordinate and merge contributions and translations, and answer piles of mails. My only steady co-worker is my wife: she proofreads almost everything before it goes online (Don't . for the rest of it, read the "About MUO" link towards the bottom of the page. Email Tom and tell him how invaluble this site is. IT IS. and thanks Patti, it use to be www.man dropping the 'www' must be very recent, 'cause my old bookmark didn't work anymore ;) -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Registered Linux user #184611 Tom Brinkman wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: Mark Hillary wrote: Come on updating the kernel is not has hard as everyone makes out. (I find it easyier that installing programs). There are several resons to. The kernel that comes with mandrake haas about everything turned on, so you can have a faster system by compling only what you need to. Also because every thing is turned on all of the moduals take up space. RECOMPLIE to get a faster machine and save space. (not to mention the bug fixes, in newer versions) Well, it may not be a problem to you, but it is the cause of many headaches to me. The last few times I've tried upgrading from 2.2.14 to 2.4.0-test5 I've hit the black screen of death straight after the "loading" bit. Regards, Ozz. Mark's on track, updating a Mdk kernel is one of the easier things involved with Mdk administration. It shouldn't be any problem at all for any user, even the newest of newbies if they first take a few minutes to visit with MOU (www.mandrakeuser.org) and read the section on changing kernels. The whole site is available as a download (.tar.gz, updated monthly) so it's easy to keep it as a help guide to refer to while you're actually tryin to follow it's instructions. "-test5" Should be a glaring warning, among the many warnings that only 2.2.xx kernels are stable, that a successful swap to a 2.4.xx kernel is froth with risk. Getting back to 2.2.xx kernels, about the only reason to change the default Mandrake config is if you have special, difficult, or newest of new hardware that isn't supported normally. Most stuff in the 'stock Mandrake' kernel is included as a module if it's not fairly standard, so eliminating it will not make your system faster in all but the rarest of cases, and then usually old or substandard hardware would be the reason. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Very cool. I followed his simple instructions about using Openssh and now I'm using it. Wow. Phil On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: I personally cannot thank Tom enough for mentioning mandrakeuser.org (btw there is no www first). It has a wealth of information in it. I plan on utilizing this resource so frequently that I even filed it on my personal toolbar in Netscape so I wouldn't have to hunt for it in my bookmarks. :-) I would urge every newbie to take a look at this site. I have been for some time. I was fortunate to find out about it as soon as it started up not that long ago (another good reason to lurk on the cooker list ;) BTW it is the efforts of just one man "MandrakeUser.Org is me, Tom Berger. I live in Berlin, the capital of Germany. I'm (almost) 31 years old and work as a freelancer. I've studied Philosophy, History and Ancient Philology and have been working as a male nurse for five years. I write the MUO pages, maintain them, coordinate and merge contributions and translations, and answer piles of mails. My only steady co-worker is my wife: she proofreads almost everything before it goes online (Don't . for the rest of it, read the "About MUO" link towards the bottom of the page. Email Tom and tell him how invaluble this site is. IT IS. and thanks Patti, it use to be www.man dropping the 'www' must be very recent, 'cause my old bookmark didn't work anymore ;)
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Ian McLeod wrote: First, I would suggest that you download the RPM file rather than use the updater (I read this in the update program or somewhere, can't remember) Auto-Updating the kernel is highly discouraged by Mandrake, and I wish I would have read that before I toasted a bunch of stuff doing it.;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Victor Richardson wrote: Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the Mandrake Updater? Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with disastrous results. I had to re-install. Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the version number) Any suggestions welcome, Victor it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl linux out .. Yes, I'm in the process of downloading the 6th cd needed for the professional install right now. Unless you've tried SuSE before however, you might be in for a little shock; it's not the same Mandrake / Red Hat type distribution at all! There is no 'linuxconf' or 'drakconf', all the system stuff is handled through a program called YaST (yet another system tool) and after using the Mandrake / Red Hat family of products, I found it to be a royal pain in the butt! Just a little advise... Mike
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, patrick darcy wrote: it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl linux out .. I agree, I am going to sit it out here nice and quiet, having my linux machines run along nicely. Things are all up and humming, I am happy with it. As soon as a new release comes out, I will get the CD;s and upgrade that way. Paul -- Babies are nature's way to make people meet the world. At 2am. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re[2]: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Hello patrick, Friday, August 04, 2000, 01:59:55 zulu, you wrote: pd it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea pd of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna pd wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl pd linux out .. i had no problems with the update on a "regular" mandake 7.1 installation. i would not recoommend it only, if you are running reiserfs or/and high security installation. -- Best regards, Yuri http://linukh.freeservers.com
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
First, I would suggest that you download the RPM file rather than use the updater (I read this in the update program or somewhere, can't remember) Then install the kernel with RPM or Kpackage, so on. Then, enter 'root' and edit your /etc/lilo.conf file, which is where you found the new entries. Ensure the new 'label' for the new kernel is not too long (or you will get an error as I did), check the 'default' line to point to the new kernel, exit and run 'lilo' and reboot, that's it! Just make sure you leave your old kernel as an option always, just in case something goes wrong. Regards, Ian McLeod Victor Richardson wrote: Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the Mandrake Updater? Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with disastrous results. I had to re-install. Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the version number) Any suggestions welcome, Victor
Re: [newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Victor Richardson wrote: Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the Mandrake Updater? Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with disastrous results. I had to re-install. Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the version number) Any suggestions welcome, Victor it is not recommended u update the kernal thru mandrake updates. the idea of makefile etc etc etc is pretty spooky sounding to me. im just gonna wait for the next mandreake. have u heard, suse has a new version ofl linux out ..
[newbie] Updating kernel w/ Mandrake Updater
Are there any extra steps to updating the kernel other than running the Mandrake Updater? Also, /etc/lilo had a section for the new kernels, but included a commented line that said something like "# Add using install-kernel". Which, of course, I did not do and had Lilo load that kernel anyway with disastrous results. I had to re-install. Do I need to run the command "install kernel 2.2.xxx"? (xxx being the version number) Any suggestions welcome, Victor
[newbie] Updating Kernel
I just used Mandrake Update in version 7.1 for the first time and everything went smoothly (I assume). It updated a lot of packages, but the one I am most interested in is the new kernel 2.2.16-9mdk. I looked in /etc/lilo.conf and there are two new entries: * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdk label=2.2.16-9mdk root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdksecure label=2.2.16-9mdksecure root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional I assume that since both still contain the "mdk" in their name that they have not been installed yet. Although, when I look in KPackage it shows the kernels installed. Or, does this mean that the Mandrake Updater actually installed them? If not, exactly what so I need to do to get the secure kernel installed properly. After I install the new secure kernel do I still need the old kernel and the regular 2.2.16-9? And if not, how do I remove them? Any suggestions appreciated, Victor
Re: [newbie] Updating Kernel
At 00:26 08.07.00, you wrote: victor.i assume these two kernels are precompiled kernels that came with your installation of 7.1...(although i dont have them but installed 7.1 too). what u see in kpackage is the source of your new kernel..u can either use the precompiled that came with the installation or compile a customized yourself. u can easyly start your linux with the secure kernel by pressing TAB at the LILO prompt and then entering the name of it, which shows up under the "label=" option in lilo.conf. i would recommend keeping the old kernel...always better to go for sure if the new kernel doesnt work properly for your system. greetings --dave I just used Mandrake Update in version 7.1 for the first time and everything went smoothly (I assume). It updated a lot of packages, but the one I am most interested in is the new kernel 2.2.16-9mdk. I looked in /etc/lilo.conf and there are two new entries: * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdk label=2.2.16-9mdk root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdksecure label=2.2.16-9mdksecure root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional I assume that since both still contain the "mdk" in their name that they have not been installed yet. Although, when I look in KPackage it shows the kernels installed. Or, does this mean that the Mandrake Updater actually installed them? If not, exactly what so I need to do to get the secure kernel installed properly. After I install the new secure kernel do I still need the old kernel and the regular 2.2.16-9? And if not, how do I remove them? Any suggestions appreciated, Victor
Re: [newbie] Updating Kernel
Actually, those two new kernels were downloaded when I ran Mandrake update, after the initial installation of 7.1. So, they were downloaded as rpm's (?) from Mandrake's mirror site. But, I think that the kernel rpm's still have to be installed, although I don't know if this means they need to be compiled. Let me take that back, I know they don't have to be compiled because that is why the RPM format exists. It is a precompiled package of any particular source code. The thing that I do not know is if I only need to run the command "install-kernel" or "install-kernel 2.2.16-9mdksecure"? Then, is all I need to do is reference that particular kernel as default in /etc/lilo.conf or GRUB? Although, I did find (Late last night) fairly detailed documentation on the Mandrake website for compiling and installing new or custom kernels. I think that I'llgive them a thorough read through and just follow the directions from the point after compiling the source code for a new kernel. Victor Quaylar wrote: At 00:26 08.07.00, you wrote: victor.i assume these two kernels are precompiled kernels that came with your installation of 7.1...(although i dont have them but installed 7.1 too). what u see in kpackage is the source of your new kernel..u can either use the precompiled that came with the installation or compile a customized yourself. u can easyly start your linux with the secure kernel by pressing TAB at the LILO prompt and then entering the name of it, which shows up under the "label=" option in lilo.conf. i would recommend keeping the old kernel...always better to go for sure if the new kernel doesnt work properly for your system. greetings --dave I just used Mandrake Update in version 7.1 for the first time and everything went smoothly (I assume). It updated a lot of packages, but the one I am most interested in is the new kernel 2.2.16-9mdk. I looked in /etc/lilo.conf and there are two new entries: * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdk label=2.2.16-9mdk root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional * Add by install-kernel image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdksecure label=2.2.16-9mdksecure root=/dev/sda6 read-only optional I assume that since both still contain the "mdk" in their name that they have not been installed yet. Although, when I look in KPackage it shows the kernels installed. Or, does this mean that the Mandrake Updater actually installed them? If not, exactly what so I need to do to get the secure kernel installed properly. After I install the new secure kernel do I still need the old kernel and the regular 2.2.16-9? And if not, how do I remove them? Any suggestions appreciated, Victor
Re: [newbie] Updating Kernel?
A mirror is a download site which contains a copy of files at some other site, so for example, the "Update" program asks you to select a 'mirror' of the main mandrake download site so that you can choose a site that may be closer (and therefore perhaps faster) to download from, as well as allow many people to retreive the same file at once, all around the world. Make sense? Later, David "Without the Law, there is no Liberty. Without Justice, there is no Law." On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Richard Salts wrote: May I ask a question? What is meant by a 'mirror'? At 04:00 PM 9/17/99 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were able to get into KDE, the best way to update is to click on the star icon labelled "update" and select all the packages listed there that say something like "kernel". The first time you run update, it will ask you to select a mirror for further updates. Richard
Re: [newbie] Updating Kernel?
May I ask a question? What is meant by a 'mirror'? At 04:00 PM 9/17/99 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were able to get into KDE, the best way to update is to click on the star icon labelled "update" and select all the packages listed there that say something like "kernel". The first time you run update, it will ask you to select a mirror for further updates. Richard
