RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Michael B. Smith]

And completely eliminates them in Exchange 2007.

Just be thankful that you didn't have to upgrade your CALs. For most
customers, that's a far larger expense than the base server license cost.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Phil Brutsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB
>  for the message store.

  For Exchange Standard, of course.  Enterprise doesn't have
license-imposed limits on store size.

/me grumbles because we bought Enterprise solely to get around the
store limit, and then Microsoft up'ed the limit to 70 GB in SP2.

-- Ben

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Phil Brutsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB
>  for the message store.

  For Exchange Standard, of course.  Enterprise doesn't have
license-imposed limits on store size.

/me grumbles because we bought Enterprise solely to get around the
store limit, and then Microsoft up'ed the limit to 70 GB in SP2.

-- Ben

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Phil Brutsche]

Caveats: you need to install Exchange 2003 SP2 and make some changes to
the registry.

Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB
for the message store.

Eric Woodford wrote:
> The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003
> Standard. (IIRC).

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

As far as I know we have 50 MB limits per person total.  I don't think there
is any one user with stores less than 1 GB that was doing what they were
told to do.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Eric Woodford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003
> Standard. (IIRC). At one former employer, they allowed the C-class to have
> basically limitless mailboxes. Warning and Send limits (at 2gb), but no cap
> on receive. Using Mailbox management, to clear deleted Items folders, and
> very old mail (keep REALLY old mail in PSTs and/or archive to CD) can
> typically keep the server below the 70gb limits.
>
> It's the Exchange Admin and the hardware that impose the only limits here.
>
>
>   On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I
> > am fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user.  Most
> > have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be
> > small enough to fit within the size limitations.  We are part State Agency
> > and part State University Division.  So little of what is received can
> > actually be deleted outside of SPAM.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >   On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's
> > > kind
> > > of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
> > > >> Be open at the same time?
> > > >
> > > >   Yes and yes.  When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange
> > > > mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at "Mailbox - Username" in the
> > > > Folder List.  Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional
> > > top-level
> > > > icons in the Folder List.
> > > >
> > > >   If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for "PST =
> > > BAD".
> > > >  I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest
> > > of
> > > > us are, but you should at least know what the issues are.
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > > There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around.
> > >  However,
> > > you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether
> > > these
> > > old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity
> > > built
> > > in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin
> > > talk
> > > with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the
> > > PSTs in,
> > > so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Salvador Manzo  [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089  e.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> > > Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter
> > > University of Southern California
> > > 818-612-5112
> > > An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to
> > > stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He
> > > that
> > > would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
> > > oppression;
> > > for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will
> > > reach to
> > > himself.
> > > Thomas Paine, "Dissertation on First Principles of Government"
> > >
> > >
> > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> > > ~   ~
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Eric Woodford]

The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003
Standard. (IIRC). At one former employer, they allowed the C-class to have
basically limitless mailboxes. Warning and Send limits (at 2gb), but no cap
on receive. Using Mailbox management, to clear deleted Items folders, and
very old mail (keep REALLY old mail in PSTs and/or archive to CD) can
typically keep the server below the 70gb limits.

It's the Exchange Admin and the hardware that impose the only limits here.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I am
> fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user.  Most
> have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be
> small enough to fit within the size limitations.  We are part State Agency
> and part State University Division.  So little of what is received can
> actually be deleted outside of SPAM.
>
> Jon
>
>   On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's
> > kind
> > of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >> Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
> > >> Be open at the same time?
> > >
> > >   Yes and yes.  When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange
> > > mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at "Mailbox - Username" in the
> > > Folder List.  Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level
> > > icons in the Folder List.
> > >
> > >   If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for "PST = BAD".
> > >  I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of
> > > us are, but you should at least know what the issues are.
> > 
> >
> >
> > There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around.
> >  However,
> > you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether
> > these
> > old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity
> > built
> > in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin
> > talk
> > with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs
> > in,
> > so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario.
> >
> > -
> > Salvador Manzo  [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089  e.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> > Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter
> > University of Southern California
> > 818-612-5112
> > An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to
> > stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that
> > would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
> > oppression;
> > for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach
> > to
> > himself.
> > Thomas Paine, "Dissertation on First Principles of Government"
> >
> >
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> >
>
>

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I am
fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user.  Most
have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be
small enough to fit within the size limitations.  We are part State Agency
and part State University Division.  So little of what is received can
actually be deleted outside of SPAM.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind
> of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's
>
>
> On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
> >> Be open at the same time?
> >
> >   Yes and yes.  When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange
> > mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at "Mailbox - Username" in the
> > Folder List.  Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level
> > icons in the Folder List.
> >
> >   If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for "PST = BAD".
> >  I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of
> > us are, but you should at least know what the issues are.
> 
>
>
> There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around.  However,
> you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether
> these
> old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built
> in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk
> with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs
> in,
> so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario.
>
> -
> Salvador Manzo  [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter
> University of Southern California
> 818-612-5112
> An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to
> stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that
> would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
> oppression;
> for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to
> himself.
> Thomas Paine, "Dissertation on First Principles of Government"
>
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~   ~
>

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Salvador Manzo]

I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind
of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's


On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
>> Be open at the same time?
> 
>   Yes and yes.  When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange
> mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at "Mailbox - Username" in the
> Folder List.  Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level
> icons in the Folder List.
> 
>   If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for "PST = BAD".
>  I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of
> us are, but you should at least know what the issues are.



There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around.  However,
you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether these
old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built
in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk
with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs in,
so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario.

- 
Salvador Manzo  [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter
University of Southern California
818-612-5112
An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to
stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that
would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression;
for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to
himself. 
Thomas Paine, "Dissertation on First Principles of Government"


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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Eric Woodford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PSTs created in Outlook 2003 and earlier have a 2gb mailbox limit. Go over 
> that
> and you WILL lose email. A PST created with 2007 and the new format, are
> allowed to go larger ...

  Correction: The new format files became available in Outlook 2003.

  Additional info:

  The PST size limit also affects the OST files used for
Offline/Cached mode; that's a big deal if you've got a laptop user
with a big mailbox.

  The old PST/OST format is sometimes called "ANSI" and the new format
"Unicode".  Something to do with the character sets they use/support.
(The file format certainly isn't anything remotely like any ANSI
standard I know of.)

-- Ben

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Eric Woodford]

IMO, Cached mode is ideal for corporate employees sitting at their desk. It
creates an identical copy of their mail, that is accessible even when their
server is down. Outlook 2003+ requires cached mode if you want to use their
junk mail filters. Note: the first time you connect with cached mode, you
better be close to the server, it has to make that first copy of the entire
mailbox (especially if you imported the PST). In addition, with the mailbox
stored on the server, it can be accessed by others, ie share calendars,
shared contacts, plan meetings (and see availability), no loss when an
employee leaves the company, etc.

For the remote users, I'd look into RPC over HTTP and have your clients
configure Outlook to pull via that method. They can use their Outlook
anywhere and get to it.

Using POP to pull mail into a PST can remove mail from the mailbox, so it is
not accessible any place else that the single point (of failure). PSTs
created in Outlook 2003 and earlier have a 2gb mailbox limit. Go over that
and you WILL lose email. A PST created with 2007 and the new format, are
allowed to go larger, but?? who really wants to backup those extra open
files.. Gotta close Outlook to back them up..
So, in short Cached mode means Blackberry, spam filtering, centralized
administration, and shared calendars. PST means single point of failure,
losing email due to size limits, and possible litigation issues when an
employee takes their email with them when they leave (and you have no way to
capture it)..
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
>
> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.
>
> Jon
>
>

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client
> setting for Exchange?

  I see this is already answered, but here's a bit more information:

  Traditionally, Outlook+Exchange supported "Online" and "Offline"
modes.  Offline mode was optional.  In Online mode, it was simply
acting as a network client for the Exchange server, and just about
every operation involved talking to the server.  In Offline mode,
Outlook was disconnected from the server, and using an "Offline Store"
(.OST file) for everything.  An Outlook client configured to support
Offline operation would, when Online, periodically synchronize the OST
to the Exchange server.  The new-in-2003 "Cached" mode simply means
Outlook uses the OST even when the Exchange server is available.  It
still periodically syncs the OST to the server (every five minutes, I
think).

  If you disable Cached mode, Outlook can and will still use the
traditional "Offline" mode on laptops that operate disconnected from
the server, so strictly speaking, Cached mode is not *needed* for
laptops.  But since Offline and Cached modes are basically the same
thing, there's not much point in disabling Cached mode on a laptop.

  There are some Outlook features which only work in Cached mode, the
junk mail filter being the big one.  (Anyone know why that is?)

  Cached means the clients talk to the server less often, which means
Exchange can handle more clients per server computron.  Cached can
make a speed difference on the client, too.  If the network is slow
and/or the client machine is fast, Cached will usually be a speed
improvement.  If the network is fast and/or the client machine is slow
(old), Cached tends to be slower than Online, in my experience.

  OST (Cached or Offline) can be a performance drag for users with
huge (1 GB+) mailboxes.  If the users with the huge mailboxes are
usually laptop users, you're in trouble either way.  Mailbox size
restriction policies can of course avoid this issue.

  If you've got a user (sub)population which hops between client
machines frequently, or are using mandatory profiles, disable OST
(Cached and/or Offline) for them entirely.  The first time Outlook
runs for a given user profile on a given machine, it has to copy the
entire mailbox from the server to the local OST, so computer hoppers
lose big time.

  Internally, an .OST file and a .PST file are almost identical, or so
I'm told.  The difference is in how Outlook uses them.  An OST is just
a local copy of a mailbox on the Exchange server.  If an OST file is
lost or corrupted, it can be easily rebuilt from the server mailbox
(minus any unsync'ed changes).  Any PST files are primary copies, and
need to be protected like other primary data (backups, etc.).

> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.

  When learning this stuff, I found the following to be very helpful:

* "Exchange Server" by Jim McBee (book)
* Reading the entire Exchange FAQ
  * http://www.simpler-webb.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp
  * Note that a lot of the 5.5 and 2000 stuff still applies to 2003
* Lurking on the Sunbelt Exchange list
* http://www.slipstick.com/ has lots of tips, tricks, and solutions

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
> Be open at the same time?

  Yes and yes.  When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange
mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at "Mailbox - Username" in the
Folder List.  Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level
icons in the Folder List.

  If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for "PST = BAD".
 I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of
us are, but you should at least know what the issues are.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?

  Keep in mind that importing a PST means importing into the mailbox
on the Exchange server.  That may or may not be a good idea.  It will
mean you don't have to worry the PST=BAD issues, but it will also mean
a big jump in Exchange server storage.  It may also mean mailbox size
problems.  So it depends.

  In Outlook, Menu -> File -> "Import and Export" will let you import
a PST file into the Exchange mailbox.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is on OL2k7
> and on a laptop) ...

  Added Exchange should actually be an improvement, then.  Outlook
really wants to be an Exchange client.  Indeed, that's how it began
life, as the Exchange Client program.

> ... both demanding the ability to get their email off-campus without using a 
> web interface.

  This is easily done with a VPN and/or "RPC-over-HTTP".  The native
"MAPI wire protocol" Outlook uses to talk to Exchange is base

RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Bob Fronk]

In addition to this, cached mode can act as a "backup".  Although you
certainly should not use this as your sole backup plan, if the store
were to be lost, data is still on the client PCs and can be moved to a
new store.

 

(I had a client that did not take their backup tapes offsite.  All their
servers and tapes were stolen one night, but the thief did not take the
PCs.  I was able to restore all the data from the cached clients) 

 

Bob Fronk

 

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode

 

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts
etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected
from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to
Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not
the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra
work, but I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux
POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up
to POP their mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be
an issue but I will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at
just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain
ways and not other ways.  I will discuss specific issues with the
Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 



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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

Sounds more like a cultural issue than anything else.  However, everything
you've mentioned below can easily be accomplished by using Outlook and
Exchange.  By using cached mode and RPC over HTTP (or a vpn) any mobile user
can connect easily to Exchange and retrieve their mail.

 

Rick

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

I don't have much room to move on this I already have one user screaming
(and I do mean screaming) about being forced into using Exchange.  I have
another that is demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is
on OL2k7 and on a laptop) and both demanding the ability to get their email
off-campus without using a web interface.  One is my boss the other is his
boss so it is either make this work their way, which would make most of my
users happy, or we do something else.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality.  Using
an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a
moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all).  Although there is a
price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe
the rewards are much greater.  In my experience PST's are much more prone to
corruption - that in itself is enough reason to do it.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I
can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be
forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or
putting up some other email server UCK!  Not something I want to add to my
work load.  Man I hate being in this position.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That appears to be a cultural issue.  What we've done, is setup a PST for
those users to move stuff they wanted archived.  A true archive system might
be able to take care of this.  And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange
box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J )

Rick

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
per person.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! 

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders 

Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

I don't have much room to move on this I already have one user screaming
(and I do mean screaming) about being forced into using Exchange.  I have
another that is demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is
on OL2k7 and on a laptop) and both demanding the ability to get their email
off-campus without using a web interface.  One is my boss the other is his
boss so it is either make this work their way, which would make most of my
users happy, or we do something else.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality.
> Using an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a
> moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all).  Although there is a
> price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe
> the rewards are much greater.  In my experience PST's are much more prone to
> corruption – that in itself is enough reason to do it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I
> can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be
> forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or
> putting up some other email server UCK!  Not something I want to add to my
> work load.  Man I hate being in this position.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That appears to be a cultural issue.  What we've done, is setup a PST for
> those users to move stuff they wanted archived.  A true archive system might
> be able to take care of this.  And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange
> box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J )
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
> per person.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
> information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
> with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
> Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
> practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
> that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
> will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> system?  Be open at the same time?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> than a PST file.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Thank you very con

RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality.  Using
an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a
moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all).  Although there is a
price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe
the rewards are much greater.  In my experience PST's are much more prone to
corruption - that in itself is enough reason to do it.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I
can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be
forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or
putting up some other email server UCK!  Not something I want to add to my
work load.  Man I hate being in this position.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That appears to be a cultural issue.  What we've done, is setup a PST for
those users to move stuff they wanted archived.  A true archive system might
be able to take care of this.  And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange
box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J )

Rick

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
per person.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! 

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At

Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I
can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be
forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or
putting up some other email server UCK!  Not something I want to add to my
work load.  Man I hate being in this position.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  That appears to be a cultural issue.  What we've done, is setup a PST for
> those users to move stuff they wanted archived.  A true archive system might
> be able to take care of this.  And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange
> box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J )
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
> per person.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
> information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
> with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
> Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
> practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
> that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
> will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> system?  Be open at the same time?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> than a PST file.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.
> Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible
> or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
> correct?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
>
>
>
> If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
> Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile

RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

That appears to be a cultural issue.  What we've done, is setup a PST for
those users to move stuff they wanted archived.  A true archive system might
be able to take care of this.  And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange
box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J )



Rick

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
per person.

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! 

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

Ahh, forgot about that.  Good catch Mike.

 

From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode

 

Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal
Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode

 

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

No worry there I can't sell Terminal Services in this setup it took me about
4 years just to get them to give up their local Admin and Power User status.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal
> Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
> practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
> that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
> will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> system?  Be open at the same time?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> than a PST file.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.
> Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible
> or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
> correct?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
>
>
>
> If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
> Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
>
>
>
> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage
per person.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
> information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
> with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
> Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?
>
> Jon
>
>   On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >  No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> > > thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> > > simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> > > stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
> > >
> > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > > *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not
> > > best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would 
> > > guess
> > > then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground 
> > > rules
> > > I will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> > > system?  Be open at the same time?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> > > mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> > > than a PST file.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A
> > > PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g.
> > > disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using 
> > > cached
> > > mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to
> > > me.  Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if
> > > possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their 
> > > Outlook
> > > profile correct?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> > > Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts 
> > > etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected
> > > from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to 
> > > Exchange.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > > *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference
> > > between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I 
> > > am
> > > not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra
> > > work, but I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux
> > > POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to
> > > POP their mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an
> > > issue but I will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just
> > > getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and 
> > > not
> > > other ways.  I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange
> > > aware people would be more help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Mike Semon]

Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal
Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode

 

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of
information in their PST's.  My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment
with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months.
Is there a way to import PST's into OST's?

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> > thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> > simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> > stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
> >
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
> > practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
> > that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
> > will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> > system?  Be open at the same time?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> > mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> > than a PST file.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> > file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> > fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> > mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
> >
> >
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.
> > Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible
> > or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
> > correct?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> > Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected
> > from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> > cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> > Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> > I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> > server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> > mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> > will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> > setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> > I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> > people would be more help.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

Right, and in my experience OST's appear to be less susceptible to
corruption.

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Gavin Wilby]

IME Outlook is quicker in the main too!

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good
> thing.  If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users
> simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was
> stored on the bad system – nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
> practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
> that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
> will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
> system?  Be open at the same time?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> than a PST file.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.
> Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible
> or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
> correct?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
>
>
>
> If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
> Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
>
>
>
> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

No, you're looking at one or the other.  Think of the OST as a good thing.
If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs
into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the
bad system - nick names etc).  OST = Good in this case.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

 

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same system?
Be open at the same time?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

 

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode.
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a
PST file.

 

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails,
or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode,
everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode 

 

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

 

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to
Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

 

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

 

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

 

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 


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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here.  I know not best
practice but for the Linux mail system it was required.  I would guess then
that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I
will be living under now.  Can OST and PST files live on the same
system?  Be open at the same time?

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached
> mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather
> than a PST file.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST
> file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk
> fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached
> mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.
> Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible
> or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
> correct?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
>
>
>
> If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
> Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
>
>
>
> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi,

Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. 
When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST 
file.

I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file 
exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or 
laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything 
(except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then I 
would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make 
sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct?

Jon
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange 
to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.



If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from 
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.



Cheers

Ken



From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode



Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between cached 
and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the Exchange 
admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to 
support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange 
and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail.  I do have mobile 
clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later.  
At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why 
somethings are certain ways and not other ways.  I will discuss specific issues 
with the Exchange admin.



Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people 
would be more help.



Jon



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Re: Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me.  Then
I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or
make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile
correct?

Jon

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to
> Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.
>
>
>
> If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from
> Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode
>
>
>
> Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
> cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
> Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
> I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
> server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
> mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
> will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
> setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
> I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.
>
>
>
> Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
> people would be more help.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>

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RE: Exchanged cached mode

[Ken Schaefer]

If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange 
to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc.

If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from 
Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchanged cached mode

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between cached 
and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the Exchange 
admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to 
support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange 
and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail.  I do have mobile 
clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later.  
At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why 
somethings are certain ways and not other ways.  I will discuss specific issues 
with the Exchange admin.

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people 
would be more help.

Jon

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Exchanged cached mode

[Jon Harris]

Sorry for the very basic question here.  What is the difference between
cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange?  I am not the
Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but
I do have to support the clients.  We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP
server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their
mail.  I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I
will start on that later.  At the moment I am looking at just getting this
setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways.
I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin.

Any guidance would help a lot.  Specific reading for non-Exchange aware
people would be more help.

Jon

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