Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 02:07, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:51:40 primm wrote:
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I've learned a lot by this thread.
> >
> > The way to go for novice webmistresses seems to be mc (what an amazing
> > piece of kit- thanks to whoever suggested it) or rsync.
> >
> > I used rsync out of desperation.
>
> Did I miss something? I thought you said you used the idea of naming the
> directory with a dot
>
> rsync isn't bad, but I would call it serious overkill in this scenario.

Hi
I'm desperately trying to learn to be a good admin. I'm far from it. In Spain 
companies are prepared to pay you loadsa money if you can stop them getting 
viruses and you can speak English and Spanish. So I tried just about all 
methods everyone suggested. The only ones which worked first time viz me 
copying and pasting from this thread to my cli were the renaming as dot 
(yours I think) and the rsync alternative. I also used mc as my server does 
not have a gui.

What amazes me is that hobbyists (it seems that most people on this site do 
not work as admins to earn a living) such as the folk on this list are so 
willing and eager to help. Indeed were it not for them I'd not be in the 
position I'm in now. You never get that in the workplace. All they do is 
complain that vista is so slow now I have the suse server in place.

Love from Lynn.
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[opensuse] Installing JIKES

[Stan Goodman]

I wish to use the Jikes Java compiler. I have read the Jikes home page, and
discovered that this application is said to be supplied with SuSE, which was
good news.

I was unable to find "Jikes*" on my openSuSE v10.2; The only related file
present is jikes.vim; this appears to be a plugin for vim (that was a surprise
-- it seems to be a well-kept secret how one uses these plugins), along with
similar files for other languages and utillities. Given that one invokes jikes
with the name "jikes", this led me to believe that jikes, although bundled, is
not installed.

I therefore turned to YaST > Software > Software Management, and tried to
install jikes. This did locate the application, and highlighted it. After I
clicked on Accept, YaST asked me for CD1, but did not give me an opportunity to
insert the CD. At the bottom of the YaST screen, "Next" and "Back" were greyed
out, and the only active button was "Abort". A small dialog box appeared ,
asking me if I was interested in installing any more packages, and I answere
"No", pretty much out of spite.

How, if at all, might I get jikes on SuSE? At the moment, it seems a more
efficient use of my time to do this work on another OS.

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Re: [opensuse] Printer on LTSP client

[Andre Truter]

On 02/09/07, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What is implied and what actually is are two different things. These
> days I doubt a PC manufacturer, here in SA, would let a box out of their
> store without a HDD. The OP needs to let us know.
>

In this case there are no implications.  The subject line actually
makes it quite clear. LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project, which is a
project which allows you to connect dumb terminals (diskless
workstations) to a single server.
You do get special thin client units designed specifically for this job
Here is a list of some of them:
http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4923746399.html

Unfortunately they are quite expensive here in SA, so we build our
own, using normal PC components.  It is basically just a PC without
any fancy hardware and without a disk. (We don't care what PC
manufacturers offer in terms of PCs as we build our own, so we are not
dependent on their specs)

> I do not know about JetDirect devices but if it was a network printer it
> should surely be able to be installed on the LTSP server and shared for
> its users?

The problem was not installing the printer on the server, but getting
the dumb terminal, to which the printer is connected, to see the usb
port where the printer is connected.
The way it works is that you connect the printer physically to a dumb
terminal.  Seeing that the terminal has no software installed on it,
you cannot install a printer driver on it.  So, you set up the boot
config of the terminal to map the usb port to a JetDirect port (9100).
 Then you configure the printer on the server and points it to the
port on the dumb terminal.

I managed to solve the problem, BTW.
We had 3 kernels set up on the server for the clients to use for
booting, but unfortunately something went wrong with the LTSP setup
and we only had a set of modules for one of the kernels.  So I just
changed the boot config of LTSP to use the kernel that does have
modules and the problem was solved.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

>
> To answer another question in this thread, I'm just a long time software
> engineer who admins several of his own systems.
>
That's getting at what I really want to know. How do you deal with people in 
your company who tell you how to do your job who have absolutely no idea what 
they are talking about without being rude? How do you explain squid? Do your 
peers speak English? Can you say cli and gui at management meeting?

Love. Lynn
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem [solved]

[primm]

Hi everyone

Just to say a big thank you to you all for saving my day. I have successfully 
solved this matter.

Love from Lynn.
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Re: [opensuse] Installing JIKES

[Bogdan Cristea]

Have you tried the search software facility: 
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=Jikes&distro=openSUSE_102

On Sunday 02 September 2007 10:51, Stan Goodman wrote:
> I wish to use the Jikes Java compiler. I have read the Jikes home page, and
> discovered that this application is said to be supplied with SuSE, which
> was good news.
>
> I was unable to find "Jikes*" on my openSuSE v10.2; The only related file
> present is jikes.vim; this appears to be a plugin for vim (that was a
> surprise -- it seems to be a well-kept secret how one uses these plugins),
> along with similar files for other languages and utillities. Given that one
> invokes jikes with the name "jikes", this led me to believe that jikes,
> although bundled, is not installed.
>
> I therefore turned to YaST > Software > Software Management, and tried to
> install jikes. This did locate the application, and highlighted it. After I
> clicked on Accept, YaST asked me for CD1, but did not give me an
> opportunity to insert the CD. At the bottom of the YaST screen, "Next" and
> "Back" were greyed out, and the only active button was "Abort". A small
> dialog box appeared , asking me if I was interested in installing any more
> packages, and I answere "No", pretty much out of spite.
>
> How, if at all, might I get jikes on SuSE? At the moment, it seems a more
> efficient use of my time to do this work on another OS.
>
> --
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> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> 1975 Home-brew with ASM-80
> 1978 CP/M
> 1981 MS-DOS
> 1987 Quarterdeck
> 1992 OS/2 - eComStation
> 2007 LINUX openSuSE
>
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Jos van Kan]

primm schreef:
(snip)>
> But I'm wondering. Is there anyway of getting into my cli only server from a 
> kde client on my lan? Or does the server have to have X installed too to be 
> able to do that?
> 
> Love from Lynn.

Open a console (konsole) in your kde client and type

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

to open up an ssh (secure shell, logins, passwords and packets will be
encrypted) connection to the server. This will give you a cli interface.
The server must have the ssh daemon running. If the ssh daemon is configured in
such a way that it does not allow root logins (some are, for reasons that do not
matter right now) you must use your own account name to login and use 'su' or
'sudo' to obtain root privileges.

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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[John Layt]

On Sunday 02 September 2007, Robert Lewis wrote:
> This window is not movable and obscures other ICONS.

If you single click on the window (well popup really) it goes away but it 
carries on working in the background.  Double click the system tray icon to 
show the status again.

> When it finishes the Blue icon has a big question mark
> that says: "Unable to check whether upgrades are available".
> Is this expected behavior for the beta?

Yeah, some days it works, some days it doesn't, typical early beta...

John.
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[John Layt]

On Saturday 01 September 2007, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Why is it necessary to build a new database of
> patches every time I choose another YaST
> s/w function?
>
> The delays waiting to update or pick a new
> package are quite a time hit.
>
> Even if these processes just completed and
> I leave YaST an re-enter I have to wait again
> a very long time before I can choose another
> package.  Switching between "Online Update"
> and "Software Management" does the same
> thing over again.
>
> Can't a system be designed to at least give
> the user the illusion that it is going faster?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob

Not sure if this is your problem, but in Yast in Software Repositories, you 
can turn off Auto Update for the repositories, this is what forces zypper to 
re-download the full repo listing from the server everytime you so much as 
breathe.  Instead it will just reload them from cache, which is quicker but 
still annoying.  

I've used every other major package management system out there, and I don't 
recall any of them being so slow, not even urpmi.  I'm giving it some 
patience as it is under heavy development, but it had better improve by the 
RC's.  Another thing, I hope they remember the ACID concepts before they 
finish zypper off, it really should complete all the package downloads first 
before trying to apply any packages, otherwise a download failure could leave 
you with a broken system.

John.
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Søndag 02 september 2007 09:49 skrev primm:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 02:07, Anders Johansson wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:51:40 primm wrote:
> > > Hi everyone.
> > >
> > > I've learned a lot by this thread.
> > >
> > > The way to go for novice webmistresses seems to be mc (what an amazing
> > > piece of kit- thanks to whoever suggested it) or rsync.
> > >
> > > I used rsync out of desperation.
> >
> > Did I miss something? I thought you said you used the idea of naming the
> > directory with a dot
> >
> > rsync isn't bad, but I would call it serious overkill in this scenario.
>
> Hi
> I'm desperately trying to learn to be a good admin. I'm far from it. In
> Spain companies are prepared to pay you loadsa money if you can stop them
> getting viruses and you can speak English and Spanish. So I tried just
> about all methods everyone suggested. The only ones which worked first time
> viz me copying and pasting from this thread to my cli were the renaming as
> dot (yours I think) and the rsync alternative. I also used mc as my server
> does not have a gui.
>
> What amazes me is that hobbyists (it seems that most people on this site do
> not work as admins to earn a living) such as the folk on this list are so
> willing and eager to help. Indeed were it not for them I'd not be in the
> position I'm in now. You never get that in the workplace. All they do is
> complain that vista is so slow now I have the suse server in place.
>
> Love from Lynn.

Hi list and Lynn,

- well one more pro sys admin here...
- the reason I didn't try to help in the first place is due to simply being 
afraid of giving wrong advice.
- In *NIX OSses, there are usually more than one way of doing things. In your 
scenario, I was unsure of the correct way of doing it, mainly due to the very 
large amount of files (> 800) which, as noted, could cause a problem when 
using a simple "*". Also, the "copy dot files" is not imminently easy.
- I learn all the time.
- I also learned from following this thread.

Best of luck!



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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

> > What amazes me is that hobbyists (it seems that most people on this site
> > do not work as admins to earn a living) such as the folk on this list are
> > so willing and eager to help. Indeed were it not for them I'd not be in
> > the position I'm in now. You never get that in the workplace. All they do
> > is complain that vista is so slow now I have the suse server in place.
> >
> > Love from Lynn.
>
> Hi list and Lynn,
>
> - well one more pro sys admin here...
> - the reason I didn't try to help in the first place is due to simply being
> afraid of giving wrong advice.
> - In *NIX OSses, there are usually more than one way of doing things. In
> your scenario, I was unsure of the correct way of doing it, mainly due to
> the very large amount of files (> 800) which, as noted, could cause a
> problem when using a simple "*". Also, the "copy dot files" is not
> imminently easy. - I learn all the time.
> - I also learned from following this thread.
>
> Best of luck!

Hi

Thanks. That's encouraging. I'm glad you said,  'I also learned from following 
this thread.'

How do you say 'mal de mucho, consuelo de tontos' in English? Beacause that's 
how I feel about taking on a lan and administering it. You make me feel safe 
in my void of anyone else to relate to if I have a problem.

Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very much 
in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list. SuSE will 
not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non supported sys 
admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us being able to 
communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it prevents open source 
software from progressing to a greater extent.
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[Andreas Jaeger]

"Robert Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Why is it necessary to build a new database of
> patches every time I choose another YaST
> s/w function?
>
> The delays waiting to update or pick a new
> package are quite a time hit.
>
> Even if these processes just completed and
> I leave YaST an re-enter I have to wait again
> a very long time before I can choose another
> package.  Switching between "Online Update"
> and "Software Management" does the same
> thing over again.
>
> Can't a system be designed to at least give
> the user the illusion that it is going faster?

Could you file a bugreport with some suggestions?

thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Søndag 02 september 2007 11:40 skrev primm:
> > > What amazes me is that hobbyists (it seems that most people on this
> > > site do not work as admins to earn a living) such as the folk on this
> > > list are so willing and eager to help. Indeed were it not for them I'd
> > > not be in the position I'm in now. You never get that in the workplace.
> > > All they do is complain that vista is so slow now I have the suse
> > > server in place.
> > >
> > > Love from Lynn.
> >
> > Hi list and Lynn,
> >
> > - well one more pro sys admin here...
> > - the reason I didn't try to help in the first place is due to simply
> > being afraid of giving wrong advice.
> > - In *NIX OSses, there are usually more than one way of doing things. In
> > your scenario, I was unsure of the correct way of doing it, mainly due to
> > the very large amount of files (> 800) which, as noted, could cause a
> > problem when using a simple "*". Also, the "copy dot files" is not
> > imminently easy. - I learn all the time.
> > - I also learned from following this thread.
> >
> > Best of luck!
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks. That's encouraging. I'm glad you said,  'I also learned from
> following this thread.'
>
> How do you say 'mal de mucho, consuelo de tontos' in English? Beacause
> that's how I feel about taking on a lan and administering it. You make me
> feel safe in my void of anyone else to relate to if I have a problem.
>
> Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very
> much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list. SuSE
> will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non
> supported sys admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us
> being able to communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it
> prevents open source software from progressing to a greater extent.
> Love from Lynn.

Hi 
- please allow me to disagree...

- I manage a lot of systems, most of them running OpenSUSE some running SLES10 
and so. 
- I read a lot, I try to help a little now and then, and - I get A LOT of 
positive feedback from this and other lists. Generally, I find the Linux 
community being very responsive, very responsible and very helpfull indeed.
- in my experience, support from the community is A LOT better than some of 
the paid offers..

As I wrote earlier, I'm somewhat reluctant giving advice out of fear of giving 
wrong advise.  I remember (many years ago, when I was a real Linux newbie) I 
asked a list why root couldn't start an X programme (Root was not allowed to 
use the X-server, fix it by going "xhost +" or something similar), I got an 
answer after 10 minutes. But it started a lenghty discussion on the list, if 
this advise was appropriate or not. I think it ran to 30+ answers or so :-)

And a wrong advise can really steal your time.
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[opensuse] Re: XEN Help Please

[Eberhard Roloff]

Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 00:30:26 Alexey Eremenko wrote:
>> Not sure about Xen, but you could try KVM or VirtualBox www.virtualbox.org
> 
> Thanks for the excellent idea of using KVM, the only question I have, how 
> reliable it really is? Server should run 27/7, especially taking into account 
> that I am going to use Trixbox telephony server under virtualization.
> 
> If KVM crashes, someone of my impatient colleagues may crash something heavy 
> on me, you know what does it mean "phone system does not work at all" in a 

> busy company. Its a joke of course, but I must be 99.99% sure that it will 
> work reliably.   /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ 

If this is your problem, imho your best bet is to use a separate
machine. After all, this is your telephony system in a busy company. ;-)

Furthermore, if 99,99 % is what you want to achieve, you better look for
linux on iSeries (there is a telephony solution available, indeed!) and
a good high availability concept on top of it.
According to
http://www.eventhelix.com/RealtimeMantra/FaultHandling/system_reliability_availability.htm
you are planning for a downtime of 52minutes per year. ;-);-).

regards
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[opensuse] Bluetooth not visible to phone on SuSE 10.2

[Andre Truter]

After upgrading to openSUSE 10.2, my computer is not visible from my
phone via bluetooth anymore.

I can connect to the phone via OBEX and send files from the computer,
but if I want to send files from the phone, it is not able to locate
the computer when you search for devices on the phone.

I tried it with the gnome bluetooth applet as well as the KDE bluetooth applet.
I also recreated my bluetooth setup from scratch, but it still does not help.

Any idea what might be wrong?

I tried it with Nokia 9300 and N70 phones, both used to be able to see
the computer when I ran SUSE 10.1 and earlier.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Fixed: Firefox won't show any webpages

[Wilfred van Velzen]

+++ "Rajko M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2007-09-01 20:41:01 +++
> > > After update?
> >
> > I don't remember exactly, but I don't think so, the last FireFox
update
> > was a few weeks ago, if I remember correctly?
> >
> > And I also had the same kind of symptoms before the reset. Only
this
> > was after some time of working with FireFox (sometimes a couple of
> > days). And just restarting FireFox fixed the problem, so I didn't
pay to
> > much attention to it, just one of those things... After the reset
the
> > problem was there right away.
>
> Than it is some deeper problem.
> Program that is changing it's behavior like that might be signal of
failing
> hardware,

It's a brand new machine. So unlikely, but not impossible...

> or your ISP DNS server was slow and Firefox considered that IPv6
> should be used instead.

Very unlikely... Anyway, how do I check this?

> > > We know IPv6  ^_^
> >
> > If you know what the problem is exactly, finding the solution is a
lot
> > easier. ;)
>
> It is not:
> - some enterprise networks use IPv6,
> - some public networks already use it,
> - it is standard that should solve lack of IP addresses and some
other
> problems, so you want to it to be used as much as possible.

Ok, but still it is uncommon to be used...

> > Maybe IPv6 should be disabled by default in FireFox!?
>
> There is no need.
> I don't know exactly what developers did, but I guess it is not
default IP
> protocol now and even when enabled it doesn't slow down browsing as
before.
>
> My 'network.dns.disableIPv6' is set to 'false', and I have no
problems, so
> good guess would be that something else makes a trouble.

Probably, and I would like to find out what the real problem is, but I
have no clue where to start looking...




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Re: [opensuse] Changing drivers on Xorg (intel card)

[Ciro Iriarte]

2007/8/30, Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2007/8/30, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 2007/08/30 20:09 (GMT-0400) Ciro Iriarte apparently typed:
> >
> > > Hi, replaced the "i810" driver with "intel" looking for better results
> > > on getting the s-video output to work but the server is using a wrong
> > > DisplaySize leaving me with a weird desktop.
> > > Pic: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7962/intelln4.png
> >
> > > I changed the config like this:
> >
> > > Section "Monitor"
> > > #  DisplaySize  331 207 <-- Old value
> > >   DisplaySize  344 222 <-- New value
> > >   HorizSync30-62
> > >   Identifier   "Monitor[0]"
> > >   ModelName"FD1631154WB4 LCD MONITOR"
> > >   Option   "DPMS"
> > >   VendorName   "CPT"
> > >   VertRefresh  43-60
> > >   UseModes "Modes[0]"
> > > EndSection
> >
> > > But the x server seems to use the old value (already restarted it many
> > > times), from the logs:
> >
> > > (II) intel(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
> > > (II) intel(0): clock: 68.9 MHz   Image Size:  331 x 207 mm <-- still
> > > getting the old values
> > > (II) intel(0): h_active: 1280  h_sync: 1301  h_sync_end 1333
> > > h_blank_end 1408 h_border: 0
> > > (II) intel(0): v_active: 800  v_sync: 801  v_sync_end 804 v_blanking:
> > > 816 v_border: 0
> >
> > > This is a Dell Inspiron 6400, X/SaX detects the card as "945 GM" and
> > > the laptop specs state (Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950), any
> > > ideas?
> >
> > I can't tell what your screenshot is supposed to be showing, but here are
>
> It's the actual view from the laptop's LCD panel, i'm not tinkering
> yet with s-video. If you have a look at the kde panel, it's not aware
> of the actual panel size and the konqueror box is fully maximazed it
> should be covering the whole screen
>
> > three changes to xorg.conf that I would try if it was my problem:
>
> I assume that's for testing with s-video, right?, i'll test it in case
> it's needed
>
> >
> > VertRefresh  56-61 # try this first
> > #   UseModes "Modes[0]" try 2nd
> > Option "NoDDC" # in Section "Device" for the graphics card (last resort)
> >
> > I doubt DDC can work via an S-Video connection.
> > --
> > "   It is impossible to rightly govern the world without
> > God and the Bible."George Washington
> >
> >  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
> >
> > Felix Miata  ***  http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
>
> Thanks a lot
> Ciro
>
Anyone using the "intel" driver?

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[James Knott]

primm wrote:

> Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very much 
> in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list. SuSE will 
> not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non supported sys 
> admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us being able to 
> communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it prevents open source 
> software from progressing to a greater extent.
> Love from Lynn.

This is one of the models of open source, including Linux.  The software
is free for the taking, but if you want support, you have to pay for it.
 If you were to buy one of the enterprise packages from Novell, you'd
have support.  If you want the free software, but don't want to pay for
support, you have to come to lists, such as this, for support.
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[opensuse] Re: Fixed: Firefox won't show any webpages

[Eberhard Roloff]

Wilfred van Velzen wrote:
[...[
>> Program that is changing it's behavior like that might be signal of
> failing
>> hardware,
> 
> It's a brand new machine. So unlikely, but not impossible...
> 
>> or your ISP DNS server was slow and Firefox considered that IPv6
>> should be used instead.
> 
> Very unlikely... Anyway, how do I check this?
> 
[...]
> 
> Ok, but still it is uncommon to be used...
> 
[...]
>so
>> good guess would be that something else makes a trouble.
> 
> Probably, and I would like to find out what the real problem is, but I
> have no clue where to start looking...
> 
using wireshark or if you prefer the commandline, tcpdump, and catching
the network packet flow for anylysis?

regards
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[opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Eberhard Roloff]

BandiPat wrote:
> On Saturday 01 September 2007, Matthew Stringer wrote:
>> Hi,
> [...]
>> Couple of things I've not pinned down, main one is the motherboard,
>> I'm leaning towards an Asus P5K3 Deluxe as it ticks all the boxes and
>> looks sufficiently high quality to last.
>>
>> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1645&m
>> odelmenu=1
>>
>> Although I'm happy that the chipset will be supported I've not found
>> any info regarding the built in periferals (i.e LAN, Wi-Fi, FireWire
>> etc).
>>
>> In addition to using the machine as a regular desktop I also want to
>> use it as part of my hobby recording studio (synth music) and have
>> decided to take the plunge and use the DAW/studio software Linux has
>> to offer so a nice quick stable machine is important.
>>
>> If anyone has an opinion on this mobo I'd be interested in hearing
>> it.
>>
>> Kindest regards
>>
>> Matthew
> =
> 
> You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux.  
> There are better choices.
> 
> bye
if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?

regards
Eberhard

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Re: [opensuse] Of openSUSE KDE package releases and stabillity.

[Will Stephenson]

On Saturday 01 September 2007 22:10:44 Tero Pesonen wrote:
> Relating to the topic of recent openSUSE KMail packages and stability 
> issues, now discussed on the list.
> 
> I've been wondering which of these openSUSE KDE packages are actually 
> stable. There's this stable(?) "KDE3" repository alongside the Community, 
> Backport, KDE4 etc.

That depends what you mean by stable.  The most stable, in terms of 
predictable changes happening to the packages, are the ones in 10.2.  The 
most stable at the software level are generally the latest and greatest from 
the build service, which will have more bugfixes than the 10.2 packages, but 
may have regressions.  

> But the packages there are being updated almost weekly. I have no idea if 
> I should or should not update to the latest packages, which seem to be 
> something in between 3.5.7 and 3.5.8

That sounds to me like you're interested in package stability.  If it ain't 
broken, don't fix it, so stay with the 10.2 packages, then upgrade to 10.3 
when it comes out.  Critical bugs in 10.2 will of course be fixed via online 
update. 

> How can one tell when these packages are "stable?" Or are they ever. It 
> seems, according to the changelogs of the RPM's, that they are constantly 
> changing. The new packages seem to fix something that went broken in the 
> last version, while adding something new which, one can only wonder, 
> could prove to be the next thing broken and so forth.

The KDE:KDE packages from the buildservice are relatively stable since KDE 3.5 
is frozen.  They are the last KDE 3 packages from the kde.org repository, but 
track the SVN by means of a diff between the released tarball and the 
repository.

KDE 3 forms an exception.  In this case, we're currently in the middle of 
switching from the KDE main branch tarballs to the Enterprise Branch.  This
more stable, more actively maintained branch of kdepim created for enterprise 
use means that for future openSUSE releases using KDE 3, the kdepim3 
that we use will benefit from more scrutiny and QA by a group of 
companies and distros with business interests in KDE PIM.

However, the process of switching the suse customisations to the sources from 
main branch to enterprise for 10.3 has created a few hiccups and these are 
visible to you in the buildservice as the 10.3 work in progress gets synced 
out to the build service.

> Mine are "release 43.1" and I've been happy with them, (unlike the version 
> before them), and have not dared to upgrade anything KDE related after I 
> upgraded to these, as I'm not sure if the newer packages would be as 
> stable as these are. On the other hand, I have no idea what I would gain 
> from the newer packages either.
> 
> The question therefore is: When 3.5.8 will be released, how can I tell 
> which will be the best 3.5.8 release to upgrade to? Are the first 
> packages that will become available the closest to the "vanilla" 3.5.8 
> provided by kde dot org, and if so, should I grab them... or will they 
> contain SUSE-specific features that may or may not cause issues that 
> would get addressed in future 3.5.8 releases under KDE3/ repository? 

The SUSE packages always contain customisations consisting of a) bugfixes or 
improvements that for reasons of translation, feature freeze or impact 
couldn't be applied directly to the central KDE repository at the time we 
packaged and b) SUSE specific alterations that adapt the packages to the SUSE 
infrastructure the packages are designed to run on.

a) type changes tend to migrate upstream over time.  b) type changes don't.  
The set of customisations/patches applied are carried over between KDE point 
releases.  Before a point release we try to upstream as many patches as 
possible, but some don't make it for a variety of reasons.

Whether vanilla kde dot org tarballs or SUSE packages are better for you is 
subjective.  We at SUSE work very hard to make what we feel are worthwhile 
improvements to the base packages from kde.org that we feel increase the 
value of the software to the user.  You may disagree about that if you hold 
the belief that vanilla packages are always of high quality and distro 
customisations tend to mess them up.

One example of how I've added to the kdepim packages is by improving the 
offline mode implementation so that on going offline, KMail terminates any 
running jobs.  So if you suspend the computer, then restart, KMail won't 
complain a few minutes after restarting that it could not contact your IMAP 
server since the IMAP process still thought it was talking to the server via 
the network connection you had before suspending.  This was too late for KDE 
3.5's freeze so probably won't go upstream except to KDE 4.

I'll try and formulate all this more generally and put it on the opensuse wiki 
somewwhere.

> Another question: Are the changes between these releases explained 
> somewhere? 

rpm -q kdepim3 --changelog is actually a better guide to what differs between 
tha

Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, James Knott wrote:
> primm wrote:
> > Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very
> > much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list.
> > SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non
> > supported sys admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us
> > being able to communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it
> > prevents open source software from progressing to a greater extent.
> > Love from Lynn.
>
> This is one of the models of open source, including Linux.  The software
> is free for the taking, but if you want support, you have to pay for it.

I have to disagree. I have free support built in from here. I pay nothing for 
it. Within minutes I get responses. Many alternative from which to try out. 
some which work and some which don't. I took a job as an admin based solely 
upon the support I could get from this list. it's a challenge but I know no 
different. I know I was second best. They hired me because of my languages. 
Not my Linux experience.

Love from Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[James Knott]

primm wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, James Knott wrote:
>> primm wrote:
>>> Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very
>>> much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list.
>>> SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non
>>> supported sys admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us
>>> being able to communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it
>>> prevents open source software from progressing to a greater extent.
>>> Love from Lynn.
>> This is one of the models of open source, including Linux.  The software
>> is free for the taking, but if you want support, you have to pay for it.
> 
> I have to disagree. I have free support built in from here. I pay nothing for 
> it. Within minutes I get responses. Many alternative from which to try out. 
> some which work and some which don't. I took a job as an admin based solely 
> upon the support I could get from this list. it's a challenge but I know no 
> different. I know I was second best. They hired me because of my languages. 
> Not my Linux experience.
> 
> Love from Lynn x

I guess I should have said "official" support.  I agree, the support
here is good.  However, some companies want support from a supplier.  In
that case, they have to go with one of the enterprise packages or hire
someone.

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[opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Art Fore]

Done a complete reinstall of 10.3 Beta2 as I could not get the Beta1 to
Beta2 upgrade to work. The reinstall is a disaster.

I downloaded and installed the 9639 nvidia driver successfully. Try
running Sax2, it runs, but will not save the settings, (kills itself) or
event test (again, kills itself). I says video driver does not support
3d, but I know it does as it did in 10.2 and 10.3 beta1. Screen comes up
in 1024X768 instead of 1680X1050. 


Will not mount usb stick drive. Shows up in MyComputer as media:sdf1,
but try to mount it, is says no such device sdf1 or device is busy. Also
try mounting it manually, says no such device /dev/sdf1

Art

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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:

> BandiPat wrote:

>> You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux.  
>> There are better choices.

> if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?

The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users
who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from
ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented
which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS.
http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html

My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I
purchased a several years old M7NCD
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an
online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power
supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization
back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced
with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system
using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and
10.3Beta2.

ASUS' stupid web site is reason enough to avoid ASUS. I just tried to get a
BIOS update there yesterday. Finding the P5A-B BIOS was easy, but finding on
site the required update tool to install it was impossible. I was lucky
enough to guess one I already downloaded for a P5S-B many years ago would be
compatible.
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Søndag 02 september 2007 14:11 skrev primm:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, James Knott wrote:
> > primm wrote:
> > > Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is
> > > very much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this
> > > list. SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being
> > > a non supported sys admin. I think we all operate in isolation with
> > > none of us being able to communicate our real fears and ideas. I
> > > believe that it prevents open source software from progressing to a
> > > greater extent. Love from Lynn.
> >
> > This is one of the models of open source, including Linux.  The software
> > is free for the taking, but if you want support, you have to pay for it.
>
> I have to disagree. I have free support built in from here. I pay nothing
> for it. Within minutes I get responses. Many alternative from which to try
> out. some which work and some which don't. I took a job as an admin based
> solely upon the support I could get from this list. it's a challenge but I
> know no different. I know I was second best. They hired me because of my
> languages. Not my Linux experience.
>
> Love from Lynn x

- just a short note...
- it may be that you were the second best at the time of hiring.
- but that situation will change :-)



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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 09:49:16 primm wrote:
> I'm desperately trying to learn to be a good admin. I'm far from it. In
> Spain companies are prepared to pay you loadsa money if you can stop them
> getting viruses and you can speak English and Spanish. So I tried just
> about all methods everyone suggested. The only ones which worked first time
> viz me copying and pasting from this thread to my cli were the renaming as
> dot (yours I think) and the rsync alternative. I also used mc as my server
> does not have a gui.

Well

shopt -s extglob
cp -a !(members) members

should have worked, and so should

export GLOBIGNORE=members
cp -a * members

I did test them before sending off the suggestions (although I did have a typo 
in there, so yes, a copy/paste wouldn't have worked)

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 11:19:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> - In *NIX OSses, there are usually more than one way of doing things. In
> your scenario, I was unsure of the correct way of doing it, mainly due to
> the very large amount of files (> 800) which, as noted, could cause a
> problem when using a simple "*"

ISTR the limit on a command line is 32K characters, so if you have very long 
file names, it would be a problem. But in most cases, you have to go way 
beyond 800 files before it becomes something to worry about.
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 04:14, John Layt wrote:

> I've used every other major package management system out there, and I
> don't recall any of them being so slow, not even urpmi.  
> patience as it is under heavy development, but it had better improve by the
> RC's.  

Better no rush. 
One of things that slows down the package management, besides that there are 
functions that will be optimized, is heavy logging necessary to hunt down 
bugs. What I value are improvements that I see, not time frame it happens. 

> Another thing, I hope they remember the ACID concepts before they 
> finish zypper off, it really should complete all the package downloads
> first before trying to apply any packages, otherwise a download failure
> could leave you with a broken system. 

It happens and it is normal during development, specially under heavy load, 
when you have to find time to go trough bug reports that are not always 
package management software although it is problem with software 
installation. 

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[opensuse] Miniature desktop slideshow ?

[Francesco Scaglioni]

Hi,

My son has just purchased a vista laptop (needed for
college).  Whilst vista looks and feels awfull the miniature
desktop slideshow in the side-bar is pleasant.  Does anyone
know of a linux equivalent ?  All the slideshow progs I can
find seem designed to run full screen.  In an ideal world
one would be able to display images either by folder, or by
tag.

TIA

Francesco
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Re: [opensuse] Of openSUSE KDE package releases and stabillity.

[Tero Pesonen]

On Sunday 02 September 2007, Will Stephenson wrote:
> On Saturday 01 September 2007 22:10:44 Tero Pesonen wrote:
> > Relating to the topic of recent openSUSE KMail packages and stability
> > issues, now discussed on the list.
> >
> > I've been wondering which of these openSUSE KDE packages are actually
> > stable. There's this stable(?) "KDE3" repository alongside the
> > Community, Backport, KDE4 etc.
>
> That depends what you mean by stable.  The most stable, in terms of
> predictable changes happening to the packages, are the ones in 10.2. 
> The most stable at the software level are generally the latest and
> greatest from the build service, which will have more bugfixes than the
> 10.2 packages, but may have regressions.
> ... [rest snipped]

Thanks for your detailed reply!

Regards,
Tero Pesonen
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[Duncan Mac-Vicar P.]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 11:14:41 am John Layt wrote:
> Not sure if this is your problem, but in Yast in Software Repositories, you
> can turn off Auto Update for the repositories, this is what forces zypper
> to re-download the full repo listing from the server everytime you so much
> as breathe.  Instead it will just reload them from cache, which is quicker
> but still annoying.

Even if autorefresh is on, refreshing repos is smart. It only download 
changed, non available files. (except for the repo index, which is used to 
check if it changed)

Duncan
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[jdd]

Andreas Jaeger wrote:


Can't a system be designed to at least give
the user the illusion that it is going faster?


the point is an update of the data is necessary only when Yast install 
don't find on the server the package it looks for.


you could  then add the "refresh" option on the error message that is 
displayed at this time.


you could also make this update nightly

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 07:41, Art Fore wrote:
> Done a complete reinstall of 10.3 Beta2 as I could not get the Beta1 to
> Beta2 upgrade to work. The reinstall is a disaster.
>
> I downloaded and installed the 9639 nvidia driver successfully. Try
> running Sax2, it runs, but will not save the settings, (kills itself) or
> event test (again, kills itself). I says video driver does not support
> 3d, but I know it does as it did in 10.2 and 10.3 beta1. Screen comes up
> in 1024X768 instead of 1680X1050.

Please post /var/log/SaX2.log to start from somewhere.

> Will not mount usb stick drive. Shows up in MyComputer as media:sdf1,
> but try to mount it, is says no such device sdf1 or device is busy. Also
> try mounting it manually, says no such device /dev/sdf1

Try advice in 
   https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302422
" ... Please remove /etc/udev/rules.d/62-dm_linear.rules, and run
dmsetup remove_all "

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Re: [opensuse] Miniature desktop slideshow ?

[Will Stephenson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 14:09:55 Francesco Scaglioni wrote:
> My son has just purchased a vista laptop (needed for
> college).  Whilst vista looks and feels awfull the miniature
> desktop slideshow in the side-bar is pleasant.  Does anyone
> know of a linux equivalent ?  All the slideshow progs I can
> find seem designed to run full screen.  In an ideal world
> one would be able to display images either by folder, or by
> tag.

In Gwenview, Settings->Configure Gwenview->SlideShow->Start in fullscreen 
mode.  This works by folder.  You can turn off the toolbars with the Settings 
menu too; and if you want to go the whole way, window borders using the 
window (alt-f3) menu.

For KDE 4 there is the Frame plasmoid which gives you a picture frame showing 
various pics on the desktop or in the sidebar, but this is not yet in the 
SUSE KDE 4 packages.  Expect it on the next major iteration of KDE 4 packages 
though.

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 20:41 +0800, Art Fore wrote:
> Done a complete reinstall of 10.3 Beta2 as I could not get the Beta1 to
> Beta2 upgrade to work. The reinstall is a disaster.
> 
> I downloaded and installed the 9639 nvidia driver successfully. Try
> running Sax2, it runs, but will not save the settings, (kills itself) or
> event test (again, kills itself). I says video driver does not support
> 3d, but I know it does as it did in 10.2 and 10.3 beta1. Screen comes up
> in 1024X768 instead of 1680X1050. 
> 
> 
> Will not mount usb stick drive. Shows up in MyComputer as media:sdf1,
> but try to mount it, is says no such device sdf1 or device is busy. Also
> try mounting it manually, says no such device /dev/sdf1
> 
> Art
> 
Automounting of the USB stick fixed itself after rebooting. I got the
nvidia fixed by using the nvidia configuration tool under system other
programs, Nvidia, however, it still did not save the resolution
correctly. I set it in the GUI to 1680 X 1050, but it saved as 1600 X
1200. It did recognize the monitor correctly though.

Now I go to Yast, Software management, it starts downloading etc, them
comes up with

[liby2] genericfrontend.cc(signal_handler):59 got signal 11 at YCP
file /usr/share/YaST2/clients/inst_packages.ycp:39
/sbin/yast2: line 385: 6563 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base
&moduel "$@" "SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $YTQT_ARGS 

Also super user file manager interface is completely different than
normal or home file manager interface. I always set view mode to
detailed list. In the new one, you select view mode and get an icon
with ?Dolphin Part. Must be something from KDE 4, but is there any way
to fix this? Even changing the normal konqueror home icon to open as
other user and root, it still does it. 

Art

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 08:41 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 07:41, Art Fore wrote:
> > Done a complete reinstall of 10.3 Beta2 as I could not get the Beta1 to
> > Beta2 upgrade to work. The reinstall is a disaster.
> >
> > I downloaded and installed the 9639 nvidia driver successfully. Try
> > running Sax2, it runs, but will not save the settings, (kills itself) or
> > event test (again, kills itself). I says video driver does not support
> > 3d, but I know it does as it did in 10.2 and 10.3 beta1. Screen comes up
> > in 1024X768 instead of 1680X1050.
> 
> Please post /var/log/SaX2.log to start from somewhere.
> 
> > Will not mount usb stick drive. Shows up in MyComputer as media:sdf1,
> > but try to mount it, is says no such device sdf1 or device is busy. Also
> > try mounting it manually, says no such device /dev/sdf1
> 
> Try advice in 
>https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302422
> " ... Please remove /etc/udev/rules.d/62-dm_linear.rules, and run
> dmsetup remove_all "
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Rajko.
Here it is. I set the display to LCD 1680XX1050 60 Hz, 16X10 aspect
ratio.

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# SaX generated X11 config file
# Created on: 2007-09-02T20:21:43+0800.
#
# Version: 8.1
# Contact: Marcus Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2005
# Contact: SaX-User list

#
# Automatically generated by [SaX2] (8.1)
# PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
#

Section "Files"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/local"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/URW"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/PEX"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
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  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/Type1"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/japanese:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/kwintv"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/uni:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/misc:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/Type1"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled"
  FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/xtest"
  FontPath "/opt/kde3/share/fonts"
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  InputDevices "/dev/input/mice"
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  Load "dbe"
  Load "type1"
  Load "freetype"
  Load "extmod"
  Load "glx"
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Section "ServerFlags"
  Option   "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver   "kbd"
  Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
  Option   "Protocol" "Standard"
  Option   "XkbLayout" "us"
  Option   "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
  Option   "XkbRules" "xfree86"
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  Driver   "mouse"
  Identifier   "Mouse[1]"
  Option   "Buttons" "5"
  Option   "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
  Option   "Name" "Logitech Optical USB Mouse"
  Option   "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
  Option   "Vendor" "Sysp"
  Option   "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
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Section "Monitor"
  Option   "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
  HorizSync31-48
  Identifier   "Monitor[0]"
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  VendorName   "--> VESA"
  VertRefresh  50-60
  UseModes "Modes[0]"
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Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Modes[0]"
EndSection


Section "Device"
  BoardName"GeForce 7300 GT"
  BusID"2:0:0"
  Driver   "nv"
  Identifier   "Device[0]"
  VendorName   "NVidia"

Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Randall R Schulz]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 03:12, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> ...
>
> As I wrote earlier, I'm somewhat reluctant giving advice out of fear
> of giving wrong advise.

I think you should just go ahead. When you're unsure of something, say 
so. Or do what I sometimes do, use it as an opportunity to look 
something up. That way you remember it better and knowledge is spread.

And keep in mind, this is an active list with lots of subscribers. If 
you say something even a little wrong, someone will probably correct 
you. And even if they don't, when someone tries it out and it doesn't 
work, they'll let you know.


Live and learn!


> ...
> But it started a lenghty discussion on the list, if this advise was
> appropriate or not. I think it ran to 30+ answers or so :-)
>
> And a wrong advise can really steal your time.

Be straightforward about what you do know and what you don't know and 
when you're simply uncertain and you've discharged your responsibility 
to honesty.


> Verner Kjærsgaard


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Re: [opensuse] Up to date bonding documentation ?

[Christian Zoz]

On Thu, Aug 30, Frank Bonnet wrote:
> 
> I've found some docs about "bonding" but it is written that it is an 
> obsolete page !
> 
> What is the "good" doc page URL for opensuse 10.2 ?

man ifcfg-bonding

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Re: [opensuse] Re: silly girls' cli copy problem

[G T Smith]

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Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> BandiPat wrote:
>> On Saturday 01 September 2007, primm wrote:
> simplist answer:
>
> cp * members/
>
> lose the -a
>
> it won't try to copy members to itself.
 It won't copy all the folders (sic: directories).
>>> I tried that but then I lose the permission settings I made on the
>>> original directores and files.:-(
>>>
>>> To repeat. It just has to be mc or rsync.
>>>
>>> But I'm wondering. Is there anyway of getting into my cli only server
>>> from a kde client on my lan? Or does the server have to have X
>>> installed too to be able to do that?
>>>
>>> Love from Lynn.
>> ==
>>
>> Lynn,
>> I've watched all these shell commands in this thread and nobody has 
>> mentioned that you could use something like Konqueror for what you want 
>> to do easily.
>>
>> Just to copy, open konqueror as file manager, do a split window from the 
>> menu, gather your directories one each in either pane, then copy.  
>> Click & drag.  Simple & quick and I'm assuming you are using KDE as 
>> your window manager.  I've also found filezilla just recently, which I 
>> like for the same functions in xfce4.
> 
> One thing the OP had as a limitation was no GUI. I would have thought
> the . trick should have worked (easier to remember, IMO, than the rsync
> command):
> 
> $ mkdir .members
> $ cp -a * .members
> $ mv .members members
> 
> BTW, I just made this a Question of the Day on Linux Brain Dump! Readers
> here aren't allowed to answer it:-)
> 
> With a GUI, I would have opened the folder, done a select all, ctrl-clicked
> the members folder, and dragged the rest to the members folder. A problem
> is that under Konqueror, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to preserve
> the attributes (ala -a). Under Krusader (my fav file manager these days),
> if you right click on Copy..., there's an option to preserve the attributes.
> 
> To answer another question in this thread, I'm just a long time software
> engineer who admins several of his own systems.
> 

BTW I first came across this peculiarity of cp (the hard way crashing a
SUN workstation after a typo ;-) ) 20 years ago and I as I was a bit
surprised that the recursive self copy of a directory was still not
picked up as something that is probably not a good thing to allow to
happen, so I decided to do a little test (nice and safely on a floppy
:-) ).

The result was interesting, the files copied OK and a empty copy of the
directory appeared and error about copying a directory on to itself
occurred.

The original held...

fileA fileB test test2

where test and test2 are directories after..

cp -a + test

one ended up with

test containing

fileA fileB test test2

with test with the original contents of test...

(After performing a second ...

cp -a * test

test/test

had the contents

fileA fileB test test2

and so on ad infinitum... but that is to be expected)

so it occurs to me that

cp -a * test ; rmdir test/test

is probably equally OK if test is empty !?!...

Now this could be a quirk due to the FAT fs on the floppy... maybe
someone is prepared to risk a partition (and possibly their sanity) to
verify this on another FS and maybe we have a 'Much ado about nothing'
scenario.

To the other question I have worked as a, programmers, systems
programmer, systems admin for a long time (mainly in an academic
environment)...


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[opensuse] No icons, distorted fonts

[Bogdan Cristea]

  I don't know what happens, but now, when I start the system, I have lost 
all icons (I can see the task bar, but no visible buttons, as for example the 
K Menu). Same phenomenon when I use an application (KMail), the buttons from 
the toolbar are not visible. When I start a terminal, the fonts in terminal 
are distorted, but not the fonts which are displayed in the window border.
I have not updated my system, nor installed something else, all happens 
suddenly with no apparent reason. 
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Re: [opensuse] No icons, distorted fonts

[Bogdan Cristea]

Hi Pete
 Yes, it is related to something in my home dir. When I am logged as root all 
seems normal.
Bogdan

On Sunday 02 September 2007 18:22, you wrote:
> Bogdan Cristea wrote:
> >   I don't know what happens, but now, when I start the system, I have
> > lost all icons (I can see the task bar, but no visible buttons, as for
> > example the K Menu). Same phenomenon when I use an application (KMail),
> > the buttons from the toolbar are not visible. When I start a terminal,
> > the fonts in terminal are distorted, but not the fonts which are
> > displayed in the window border. I have not updated my system, nor
> > installed something else, all happens suddenly with no apparent reason.
> > -- Can you give some suggestions ?
> > Bogdan Cristea
>
> Hi Bogdan
>
> Do you get the same problem if you log in as a different user?  Just
> checking to see if this is related to something in your home directory.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pete

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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 08:37, jdd wrote:

> the point is an update of the data is necessary only when Yast install
> don't find on the server the package it looks for.

YaST doesn't browse server to see what is there, or ask for  
and when it can't find it than update local database. If there is change on 
server, probably written in one small file that is fast to download, it will 
download changed files. 

The present feeling that is still slow is produced by fact that in Beta as 
installation source is used Factory that has always a lot of changes, and 
YaST has to update status very often, most of the time on every start. 

Once 10.3 get released the biggest repository (oss) that takes most of the 
time for update will be static, there will be no need for update and YaST 
will fly. That is what I have seen when Beta2 was released. Factory was 
frozen few days, and YaST sw_single was starting very fast. 

Of course there is place for improvement. 
One that I really would like to see is YOU.
It should not look for other repositories than update. The part of it's 
function, security updates, requires known source of update, you can't allow 
3rd party repositories to get in game trough dependencies, and that makes 
scan of all repositories pointless. 

Second possible speedup would be to use few mirrors at once if user has high 
speed Internet. Smart uses multiple connections, though I don't know is it 
with different mirrors. It downloads metadata very fast. That feeling is 
amplified with graphic layout that shows many downloads at once. 

> you could also make this update nightly

Right, but as mentioned above with Factory it will make not much difference, 
and later with static repo it would  disappear as a problem. 

Besides, not many desktop users leave computer on all the time. 

Second, main number of complain comes from users used to wait until task is 
done, because many GUI programs tend to be designed to ask for permanent 
attention, insted to ask whatever has to be asked in the begin and then do 
their job in background. Even with very slow software management it is 
possible to do other tasks, and from time to time check what is done. 
 
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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 08:54, Art Fore wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 20:41 +0800, Art Fore wrote:
> > Done a complete reinstall of 10.3 Beta2 as I could not get the Beta1 to
> > Beta2 upgrade to work. The reinstall is a disaster.
> >
> > I downloaded and installed the 9639 nvidia driver successfully. Try
> > running Sax2, it runs, but will not save the settings, (kills itself) or
> > event test (again, kills itself). I says video driver does not support
> > 3d, but I know it does as it did in 10.2 and 10.3 beta1. Screen comes up
> > in 1024X768 instead of 1680X1050.
> >
> >
> > Will not mount usb stick drive. Shows up in MyComputer as media:sdf1,
> > but try to mount it, is says no such device sdf1 or device is busy. Also
> > try mounting it manually, says no such device /dev/sdf1
> >
> > Art
>
> Automounting of the USB stick fixed itself after rebooting. I got the
> nvidia fixed by using the nvidia configuration tool under system other
> programs, Nvidia, however, it still did not save the resolution
> correctly. I set it in the GUI to 1680 X 1050, but it saved as 1600 X
> 1200. It did recognize the monitor correctly though.

SaX log tells that selected monitor is VESA 1024x768. 
The xorg wasn't able to detect any monitor. It attempted, but nothing found. 

> Now I go to Yast, Software management, it starts downloading etc, them
> comes up with
>
> [liby2] genericfrontend.cc(signal_handler):59 got signal 11 at YCP
> file /usr/share/YaST2/clients/inst_packages.ycp:39
> /sbin/yast2: line 385: 6563 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base
> &moduel "$@" "SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $YTQT_ARGS

Someone else should comment on this. 

> Also super user file manager interface is completely different than
> normal or home file manager interface. I always set view mode to
> detailed list. In the new one, you select view mode and get an icon
> with ?Dolphin Part. Must be something from KDE 4, but is there any way
> to fix this? Even changing the normal konqueror home icon to open as
> other user and root, it still does it.

Watch for text next to icon, is it KDE or KDE4 program.
KDE4 is still (very) buggy, you want KDE programs for setup purposes. 

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Re: [opensuse] Up to date bonding documentation ?

[Rajko M.]

On Friday 31 August 2007 10:37, Christian Zoz wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, Frank Bonnet wrote:
> > I've found some docs about "bonding" but it is written that it is an
> > obsolete page !
> >
> > What is the "good" doc page URL for opensuse 10.2 ?
>
> man ifcfg-bonding

Hi Christian,

If Frank prefer URL, in Konqueror Location field:
 man:ifcfg-bonding
;-)

http://en.opensuse.org/Bonding
http://en.opensuse.org/Bonded_Interfaces_With_Optional_VLAN

BTW, as coauthor of ifcfg-bonding manual, can you see above links. 
First probably needs update for newer versions of SUSE.  
 
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Re: [opensuse] Updates and other s/w management on 10.3

[jdd]

Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 02 September 2007 08:37, jdd wrote:


the point is an update of the data is necessary only when Yast install
don't find on the server the package it looks for.


YaST doesn't browse server to see what is there, or ask for  
and when it can't find it than update local database.


yes it does, of course. I don't speak of beta here, but of 10.x stable...

the original folder do never change, of course, so there is no need 
for test or problem, but any other do (update, guru, packman...)


and if it's not fresh it complaining not finding the package you need 
(only if there is a newer package, of course). It says "I don't find 
the CDXX", even for the net and ask for what must be done...



Right, but as mentioned above with Factory it will make not much difference,


doesn't matter really, nobody use factory for day to day work


Besides, not many desktop users leave computer on all the time.


many do, but not all, but this is easy to implement and usefull for 
some (You works that way or did at least)



their job in background. Even with very slow software management it is 
possible to do other tasks, and from time to time check what is done. 
 
it's very boring to install a new hardware and have to wait hours... 
for example a new scanner needs sane...


jdd

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[opensuse] More about installation of the Jikes compiler

[Stan Goodman]

Sorry I am unable to thread this message with those that have gone before. I 
have to use a different mail client, which is a consequence of the progress 
of "Jikes".

To review: I had been unable to install Jikes, and Bogdan was kind enough to 
direct me to 
,
 
which contains a pointer to a site at which the jikes package is available. I 
found and selected the x86_64 flavor of the program, to match my hardware.

Installing the package seemed successful (there was a notice announcing this). 
I rebooted, to  assure myself that the installation actually "took". 
Writing "jikes" in the Search field of the lizard menu brought up a line 
reading , and I clicked on it -- which produced nothing 
visible. (Running jikes with no arguments is supposed to bring up a help 
screen).

Much worse, the three Java programs on which I rely no longer start; clicking 
on their desktop icons does nothing whatever. Apparently jikes, which is 
itself a Java program has done somehow screwed up the Java installation.

I tried to start one of the java programs manually, by which is easy to do, 
and which I have done before. The result is as follows:

*
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin/jftp> java -jar lib/jftp.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: 
gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
   at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.awt.Font.tk(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.awt.Font.getPeerFromToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.awt.Font.(libgcj.so.7)
   at javax.swing.plaf.FontUIResource.(libgcj.so.7)
   at javax.swing.plaf.metal.DefaultMetalTheme.(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
   at javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel.createDefaultTheme(libgcj.so.7)
   at javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel.(libgcj.so.7)
   at javax.swing.UIManager.(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
   at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPPreferences.(Unknown Source)
   at com.myjavaworld.jftp.am.n(Unknown Source)
   at com.myjavaworld.jftp.am.(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
   at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPApplication.(Unknown Source)
   at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPApplication.main(Unknown Source)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
   at java.lang.Class.forName(libgcj.so.7)
   at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
   ...16 more
*

I have no idea how to proceed in this case, and would be grateful for any 
advice or comment.

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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Matthew Stringer]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 08:54 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:
> 
> > BandiPat wrote:
> 
> >> You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux.  
> >> There are better choices.
> 
> > if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
> 
> The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users
> who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from
> ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented
> which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS.
> http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
> 
> My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I
> purchased a several years old M7NCD
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an
> online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power
> supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization
> back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced
> with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system
> using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and
> 10.3Beta2.


I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were
running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd
return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to
speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of
OS.

The Biostar board you link to is about a million miles away from the
Asus one I was enquiring about (Biostar only make budget boards anyway),
the only alternative I've found offering a simler specification is
Abit's IP35 Pro board. But in my experience Abit boards are prone to
dying. Quite like SuperMicro but they don't offer a similar product.

Agreed that BIOS updating under Linux is still a complete PITA as
there's too much reliance on Windows, MSDOS or floppy disks!

Matthew





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Re: [opensuse] More about installation of the Jikes compiler

[Bogdan Cristea]

How do you have installed Jikes?
I recommend using yast or zypper by adding the url where the package is 
located and then install it. Using zypper from CLI, the commands are (run as 
root):
zypper sa http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse
zypper in jikes

For other java programs, you could try to update your installation using the 
above method.

On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:28, Stan Goodman wrote:
> Sorry I am unable to thread this message with those that have gone before.
> I have to use a different mail client, which is a consequence of the
> progress of "Jikes".
>
> To review: I had been unable to install Jikes, and Bogdan was kind enough
> to direct me to
> SUSE_102>, which contains a pointer to a site at which the jikes package is
> available. I found and selected the x86_64 flavor of the program, to match
> my hardware.
>
> Installing the package seemed successful (there was a notice announcing
> this). I rebooted, to  assure myself that the installation actually "took".
> Writing "jikes" in the Search field of the lizard menu brought up a line
> reading , and I clicked on it -- which produced
> nothing visible. (Running jikes with no arguments is supposed to bring up a
> help screen).
>
> Much worse, the three Java programs on which I rely no longer start;
> clicking on their desktop icons does nothing whatever. Apparently jikes,
> which is itself a Java program has done somehow screwed up the Java
> installation.
>
> I tried to start one of the java programs manually, by which is easy to do,
> and which I have done before. The result is as follows:
>
> *
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin/jftp> java -jar lib/jftp.jar
> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit:
> gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
>at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.awt.Font.tk(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.awt.Font.getPeerFromToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.awt.Font.(libgcj.so.7)
>at javax.swing.plaf.FontUIResource.(libgcj.so.7)
>at javax.swing.plaf.metal.DefaultMetalTheme.(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
>at
> javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel.createDefaultTheme(libgcj.so.7) at
> javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel.(libgcj.so.7)
>at javax.swing.UIManager.(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
>at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPPreferences.(Unknown Source)
>at com.myjavaworld.jftp.am.n(Unknown Source)
>at com.myjavaworld.jftp.am.(Unknown Source)
>at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
>at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPApplication.(Unknown Source)
>at com.myjavaworld.jftp.JFTPApplication.main(Unknown Source)
> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
> gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit at java.lang.Class.forName(libgcj.so.7)
>at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(libgcj.so.7)
>...16 more
> *
>
> I have no idea how to proceed in this case, and would be grateful for any
> advice or comment.
>
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[opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Eberhard Roloff]

Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:
> 
>> BandiPat wrote:
> 
>>> You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux.  
>>> There are better choices.
> 
>> if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
> 
> The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users
> who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from
> ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented
> which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS.
> http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
> 
> My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I
> purchased a several years old M7NCD
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an
> online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power
> supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization
> back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced
> with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system
> using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and
> 10.3Beta2.
> 
> ASUS' stupid web site is reason enough to avoid ASUS. I just tried to get a
> BIOS update there yesterday. Finding the P5A-B BIOS was easy, but finding on
> site the required update tool to install it was impossible. I was lucky
> enough to guess one I already downloaded for a P5S-B many years ago would be
> compatible.

Well I feel unable to comment on that, since I always refer to my
vendor, when my hardware fails, which I never experienced with Asus. ;-(.
However I must say, that for years now, I am used to choose either Asus
(NEVER Laptops, just MoBos!) or Gigabyte as default brands, because I
never had trouble with these (under DOS/Win/OS2/Linux...) in regard to
Bios update availability, support (via vendor), performance and anything
else I can think of.

Maybe I just stick with them for reasons of traditition, but I will
happily do so until I will have reason to act differently.

regards
Eberhard

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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Nick Zentena]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, Matthew Stringer wrote:

> > http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html

I got a not found with that link.

When did Asus start dealing direct with end users? I've always 
understood if 
you have a bad board you deal with your dealer. Who deals with their 
distributor. 

I know Asus provides bios updates for boards older then dirt. 

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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/09/02 18:41 (GMT+0100) Matthew Stringer apparently typed:

> I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were
> running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd
> return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to
> speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of
> OS.

No question if you're obviously dealing with a DOA.

But, after the vendor's no questions asked period of usually 30 days or less,
isolation of the fault of a previously working product to a particular
software or hardware component is a commonly involved prerequisite to
proceeding with an RMA return or replacement. At such point, few vendors will
offer anything more than contact information for its manufacturer's support.
This is when such questions get asked. Typically, they need to be answered in
order to get useful results. Good support asks questions that don't require
doz in order to obtain required answers.
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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

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On 2007/09/02 14:03 (GMT-0400) Nick Zentena apparently typed:

> On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, Matthew Stringer wrote:

>> > http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html

>   I got a not found with that link.

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[joe]

primm wrote:

> Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very much 
> in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list. SuSE will 
> not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non supported sys 
> admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us being able to 
> communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it prevents open source 
> software from progressing to a greater extent.

I use both sles and opensuse in data centers, and while it is true that novell
support is reserved for paid sles customers, there is a lot of help for
opensuse out there on the net. I find that google is often the best and
quickest answer for the various problems I might run into.

This list is useful of course, but in business situations one often needs an
answer within minutes, not hours or days.

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Sep 2 2007 11:40, primm wrote:
>
>Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is
>very much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through
>this list. SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to
>play being a non supported sys admin.

The better sysadmins can solve the problems without enterprise support.



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Re: [opensuse] More about installation of the Jikes compiler

[joe]

Stan Goodman wrote:

> Installing the package seemed successful (there was a notice announcing 
> this). 
> I rebooted, to  assure myself that the installation actually "took". 

Rebooted? but why? To ensure that the installation took, it is necessary only
to run the program. if it runs, the installation was successful.

> Writing "jikes" in the Search field of the lizard menu brought up a line 
> reading , and I clicked on it -- which produced nothing 
> visible. (Running jikes with no arguments is supposed to bring up a help 
> screen).

Right - to get the help text, I'd open a terminal and type "jikes"

> Much worse, the three Java programs on which I rely no longer start; clicking 
> on their desktop icons does nothing whatever. Apparently jikes, which is 
> itself a Java program has done somehow screwed up the Java installation.
> 
> I tried to start one of the java programs manually, by which is easy to do, 
> and which I have done before. The result is as follows:


> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: 

Ouch - looks like jikes has done something. I've never used jikes, but that
does not sound at all kosher. If your java is all installed from rpm packages,
you can check them to see what, if anything, has been damaged. I'm starting
from ignorance about jikes, and assuming a worst-case scanario here. So I'd
first remove jikes, then generate a list of the main java packages to check.
On my box, I get:

lucy: /home/jjs
(tty/dev/pts/3): bash: 1031 > rpm -qa | grep '^java'
java-1_5_0-sun-alsa-1.5.0_update12-3.1
java-1_4_2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-66
java-1_5_0-sun-1.5.0_update12-3.1
java-1_4_2-cacao-devel-0.96-22
java-1_5_0-sun-jdbc-1.5.0_update12-3.1
java-1_5_0-sun-devel-1.5.0_update12-3.1
javamail-1.4-16
java-1_5_0-sun-plugin-1.5.0_update12-3.1
java-1_4_2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-66
java-1_4_2-cacao-0.96-22

I'd then check each of these with rpm -V to see which files might be missing
or damaged. I'll put the above list into a file called "java-pkgs" and issue
the following command:

for i in `cat java-pkgs `do
echo $i
rpm -V $i
echo 'next?'
read junk
done

If any of these shows damage, I'd reinstall it... and no reboot.

Was jikes installed with yast or zypper, or was it downloaded and installed
with an rpm command? were there any warnings?

Just for giggles, I downloaded jikes and took a look.  Here is the list of
files in the jikes which I just installed with zypper:


lucy: /home/jjs
(tty/dev/pts/3): bash: 1045 > rpm -ql jikes
/usr/bin/jikes
/usr/include/jikesapi.h
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/AUTHORS
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/COPYING
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/ChangeLog
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/NEWS
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/README
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/TODO
/usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/license.htm
/usr/share/man/man1/jikes.1.gz


I see absolutely no possibility of conflict with any installed java files
here. After installing jikes, I still have no problem running any of my java
programs - editix, limerwire, azureus all work as before. I suspect there may
be something else going on with your system. Happy hunting and good luck!

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:58:59 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> The better sysadmins can solve the problems without enterprise support.

Depends on the problem. Relatively few sysadmins know enough about development 
to be able to fix bugs.
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[opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

[Patrik Hasibuan]

Dear my friends...

I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but not 
on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.

I checked the "remember this password" for receiving and sending an email. But 
next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type the 
password again although previously I have checked the "remember password" 
check-button.

It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I believe, 
there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my ximian-evolution 
can remember my password for future use.

It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each time 
I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.

Please tell me what should I do?

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Re: [opensuse] More about installation of the Jikes compiler

[Stan Goodman]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 22:24, joe wrote:
> Stan Goodman wrote:
> > Installing the package seemed successful (there was a notice announcing
> > this). I rebooted, to  assure myself that the installation actually
> > "took".
>
> Rebooted? but why? To ensure that the installation took, it is necessary
> only to run the program. if it runs, the installation was successful.

It is the result of long habit from a pre-Linux existence. It certainly didn't 
create the subsequent problem.

> > Writing "jikes" in the Search field of the lizard menu brought up a line
> > reading , and I clicked on it -- which produced
> > nothing visible. (Running jikes with no arguments is supposed to bring up
> > a help screen).
>
> Right - to get the help text, I'd open a terminal and type "jikes"

Too late. The bloody thing is gone.

> > Much worse, the three Java programs on which I rely no longer start;
> > clicking on their desktop icons does nothing whatever. Apparently jikes,
> > which is itself a Java program has done somehow screwed up the Java
> > installation.
> >
> > I tried to start one of the java programs manually, by which is easy to
> > do, and which I have done before. The result is as follows:
> >
> >
> > Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit:
>
> Ouch - looks like jikes has done something. I've never used jikes, but that
> does not sound at all kosher. If your java is all installed from rpm
> packages, you can check them to see what, if anything, has been damaged.
> I'm starting from ignorance about jikes, and assuming a worst-case scanario
> here. So I'd first remove jikes, then generate a list of the main java
> packages to check. On my box, I get:

> lucy: /home/jjs
> (tty/dev/pts/3): bash: 1031 > rpm -qa | grep '^java'
> java-1_5_0-sun-alsa-1.5.0_update12-3.1
> java-1_4_2-gcj-compat-devel-1.4.2.0-66
> java-1_5_0-sun-1.5.0_update12-3.1
> java-1_4_2-cacao-devel-0.96-22
> java-1_5_0-sun-jdbc-1.5.0_update12-3.1
> java-1_5_0-sun-devel-1.5.0_update12-3.1
> javamail-1.4-16
> java-1_5_0-sun-plugin-1.5.0_update12-3.1
> java-1_4_2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-66
> java-1_4_2-cacao-0.96-22

Just for laughs (no giggling), here is a list of checked packages that the 
Software Management tool turns up when searched for "java";

classpath
gcc41-gij
gcc41-gij_32bit
gcc-gij
java-1_4_2-gcj-compat
java-1_4_2-gcj-compat_32bit
jre (with a padlock; this is jre v1.6.0_02)
libgcj41
libgcj41-32bit

> I'd then check each of these with rpm -V to see which files might be
> missing or damaged. I'll put the above list into a file called "java-pkgs"
> and issue the following command:
>
> for i in `cat java-pkgs `do
> echo $i
> rpm -V $i
> echo 'next?'
> read junk
> done

As you probably read in a previous note to Bogdan, I've localized the problem 
to Java v1.4.2, which I intend to uninstall, so that v1.6.0 will be the 
default jvm. Everything I have works fine with 1.6.0.

> If any of these shows damage, I'd reinstall it... and no reboot.
>
> Was jikes installed with yast or zypper, or was it downloaded and installed
> with an rpm command? were there any warnings?

It was installed automatically from the website where it was found, using 
Zeninstaller. There were no warnings. The first thing the installation told 
me was "Success!".

> Just for giggles, I downloaded jikes and took a look.  Here is the list of
> files in the jikes which I just installed with zypper:
>
>
> lucy: /home/jjs
> (tty/dev/pts/3): bash: 1045 > rpm -ql jikes
> /usr/bin/jikes
> /usr/include/jikesapi.h
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/AUTHORS
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/ChangeLog
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/NEWS
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/README
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/TODO
> /usr/share/doc/packages/jikes/license.htm
> /usr/share/man/man1/jikes.1.gz
>
>
> I see absolutely no possibility of conflict with any installed java files
> here. After installing jikes, I still have no problem running any of my
> java programs - editix, limerwire, azureus all work as before. I suspect
> there may be something else going on with your system. Happy hunting and
> good luck!

OK, there was no possibility. Still, Java was working fine minutes before the 
installation, and was fouled up right afterward.

> Joe

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Re: [opensuse] Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Matthew Stringer]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 14:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2007/09/02 18:41 (GMT+0100) Matthew Stringer apparently typed:
> 
> > I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were
> > running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd
> > return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to
> > speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of
> > OS.
> 
> No question if you're obviously dealing with a DOA.
> 
> But, after the vendor's no questions asked period of usually 30 days or less,
> isolation of the fault of a previously working product to a particular
> software or hardware component is a commonly involved prerequisite to
> proceeding with an RMA return or replacement. At such point, few vendors will
> offer anything more than contact information for its manufacturer's support.
> This is when such questions get asked. Typically, they need to be answered in
> order to get useful results. Good support asks questions that don't require
> doz in order to obtain required answers.

But if I knew it wasn't faulty, I just couldn't get it working and had
gotten to the point of giving up and wanting my money back then a slight
over voltage is usually enough to ensure a premature death!

Still the vendor usually supplies 12 months waranty on hardware if I had
a component fail after that I'd probably just buy a new one given how
cheap they are these days. Saying that after owing PC's since the days
of 386's I don't think I've ever had one die on me.

I'm still favouring the Asus as the Gigabyte website is horrible to
navigate and I can't think of any other manufacturers (given how almost
identical all these boards are I wonder who actually makes them before
they get branded?).

M.





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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Thomas Meindl]

Hi,

I can see that you have a Logitech mouse, so you might have a look at
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262317#c19 and apply the
patch if necessary.

About the NVidia Driver please try to get the latest, because the old
ones will not install properly, because some version number in the Xorg
server was changed from 7.x to its internal version numbering. So older
NVidia driver installer think that they have found an old XFree version
and install in a wrong directory tree.

You might also try to do a
sax2 -i -m 0=nvidia
after you reinstalled the Nvidia driver. 0 is a NUMBER and not the
capital version of the letter 'o'.
Hope this helps a little,
kind regards,

Tom

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[opensuse] VMware 64-bit

[Janko Mivšek]

Hi,

I have a problem installing VMware Workstation 6.0. x86-64 on my 10.0 
64-bit. Problem is, that VMware still doesn't want to run 64bit guest 
systems and also in YAST it still reports architecture as i386. Does 
anybody know how to install it correctly?


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Re: [opensuse] VMware 64-bit

[Chris Worley]

Are you building the guest from scratch from w/in VMWare, or trying to
use an already running drive for the VM guest?

I had a similar problem trying to run a Win/XP/64
already-built-and-running disk in VMWare Server (which is compatible
[and free] w/ VMWare WorKstation 5) running under a 32-bit OpenSuSE
10.2 host.

Building a Win/XP/64 small-root disk in VMWare Server, then attaching
the existing disk as a secondary drive worked (I can see all the files
fine... now I need to figure out how to get Windows to see the
programs and users on the old disk and use the old disk for the
program and user space... what would be trivial in Unix can't be done
in WinDoh's).

Also, the community support on the VMWare list servers is really good.

On 9/2/07, Janko Mivšek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem installing VMware Workstation 6.0. x86-64 on my 10.0
> 64-bit. Problem is, that VMware still doesn't want to run 64bit guest
> systems and also in YAST it still reports architecture as i386. Does
> anybody know how to install it correctly?
>
> Best regards
> Janko
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Re: [opensuse] VMware 64-bit

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 22:16:05 Janko Mivšek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem installing VMware Workstation 6.0. x86-64 on my 10.0
> 64-bit. Problem is, that VMware still doesn't want to run 64bit guest
> systems and also in YAST it still reports architecture as i386. Does
> anybody know how to install it correctly?

What CPU is in your machine? vmware can only run 64 bit guests on recent 
chips, with the "full virtualization" feature of the CPU enabled. On AMD, I 
believe it is revision D or later, and on Xeon you need to enable full 
virtualization in your BIOS. When you try to run a 64 bit guest in vmware, 
there is a popup which explains this, together with a link to the vmware 
knowledge base which explains the reasons for it. If it was too quick for you 
to read, you can click on the button in the lower right corner, and it will 
come up in a window which doesn't close automatically

If the rpm was really called x86_64, and it still said i386 in YaST, then the 
people who created the spec file for the rpm most likely forgot to change the 
text in it. The architecture description is just plain text, so it is 
entirely possible that whoever built it just forgot to change it
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Re: [opensuse] VMware 64-bit

[Janko Mivšek]

I just checked my CPU with Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility and 
it seems that my CPU is too much "semi" 64-bit for VMware. More about 
that on 
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/dynamickc.do?externalId=1901&sliceId=1&command=show&forward=nonthreadedKC&kcId=1901


Thanks Chris anyway for a help.

Janko

Chris Worley wrote:

Are you building the guest from scratch from w/in VMWare, or trying to
use an already running drive for the VM guest?

I had a similar problem trying to run a Win/XP/64
already-built-and-running disk in VMWare Server (which is compatible
[and free] w/ VMWare WorKstation 5) running under a 32-bit OpenSuSE
10.2 host.

Building a Win/XP/64 small-root disk in VMWare Server, then attaching
the existing disk as a secondary drive worked (I can see all the files
fine... now I need to figure out how to get Windows to see the
programs and users on the old disk and use the old disk for the
program and user space... what would be trivial in Unix can't be done
in WinDoh's).

Also, the community support on the VMWare list servers is really good.

On 9/2/07, Janko Mivšek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I have a problem installing VMware Workstation 6.0. x86-64 on my 10.0
64-bit. Problem is, that VMware still doesn't want to run 64bit guest
systems and also in YAST it still reports architecture as i386. Does
anybody know how to install it correctly?

Best regards
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[opensuse] Trying to internally redistribute a recompiled kernel.

[Darragh]

Hello,

I have to add a package compiled into the kernel and I'm hoping to
distribute this modified SuSE kernel to a few machines around here in rpm
format or something else that's easily distributed.  

I'm running Open SuSE 10.2.

I know that the kernel-source package will allow me to recompile and modify
the shipped kernel on this system however, how do I then bring this kernel
in rpm format to other systems?  I think there is a noSRC application that I
need to get but I'm not entirely sure and I've no idea where I'd find it. 

Any suggestions would be very ppreciated. 



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Re: [opensuse] Trying to internally redistribute a recompiled kernel.

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Sep 2 2007 21:49, Darragh wrote:
>
>I have to add a package compiled into the kernel and I'm hoping to
>distribute this modified SuSE kernel to a few machines around here in rpm
>format or something else that's easily distributed.  
>
>I'm running Open SuSE 10.2.
>
>I know that the kernel-source package will allow me to recompile and modify
>the shipped kernel on this system however, how do I then bring this kernel
>in rpm format to other systems?  I think there is a noSRC application that I
>need to get but I'm not entirely sure and I've no idea where I'd find it. 

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 16:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 03:12, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > As I wrote earlier, I'm somewhat reluctant giving advice out of fear
> > of giving wrong advise.
>
> I think you should just go ahead. When you're unsure of something, say
> so. Or do what I sometimes do, use it as an opportunity to look
> something up. That way you remember it better and knowledge is spread.
>
> And keep in mind, this is an active list with lots of subscribers. If
> you say something even a little wrong, someone will probably correct
> you. And even if they don't, when someone tries it out and it doesn't
> work, they'll let you know.
>
>
> Live and learn!
>
Hi

That's good advice. I don't think there is any problem that some or other 
member of this list cannot help me with. This list is far better that paying 
fopr professional advice. I think as an admin you can stagnate and do things 
the same forever. That's exactly what I don't want to do. My original thread 
brought no fewer than 12 different methods to help me. Two worked out of the 
box. The others were equally interesting as taught me a lesson that there are 
indeed no correct or official ways of doing things in Linux. There are at 
least 12 equally viable solutions for each question I throw up.

Love from Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] Re: silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

O
>
> To the other question I have worked as a, programmers, systems
> programmer, systems admin for a long time (mainly in an academic
> environment)...
>
Phew. Frightening. Who'd risk being root on a lan these days. I'm having 
second thoughts. I used to have an easy job doing word processing!

Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:56, joe wrote:
> primm wrote:
> > Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is very
> > much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through this list.
> > SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to play being a non
> > supported sys admin. I think we all operate in isolation with none of us
> > being able to communicate our real fears and ideas. I believe that it
> > prevents open source software from progressing to a greater extent.
>
> I use both sles and opensuse in data centers, and while it is true that
> novell support is reserved for paid sles customers, there is a lot of help
> for opensuse out there on the net. I find that google is often the best and
> quickest answer for the various problems I might run into.
>
> This list is useful of course, but in business situations one often needs
> an answer within minutes, not hours or days.
>
> Joe

Hi Joe.

That's so true. The ubuntu list has everything you need to know about X and it 
applies equally well to SuSE. I found that out when trying to install the oh 
so sexy compiz fusion stuff which knocks macbores and windoze users of their 
feet. Ask for cli help on Ubuntu and they'd be at a loss. it's a cse of using 
the 'net to ones advantage I suppose.

Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:58, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Sep 2 2007 11:40, primm wrote:
> >Using the non enterprize version of SuSE to run a network I feel is
> >very much in it's infancy. The only method of support is through
> >this list. SuSE will not help you. It is a very dangerous game to
> >play being a non supported sys admin.
>
> The better sysadmins can solve the problems without enterprise support.


I'm on the steep learning curve of being one of your better sysadmins then!

Love from Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Richard Atcheson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 1:02:17 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Well I feel unable to comment on that, since I always refer to my
> vendor, when my hardware fails, which I never experienced with Asus. ;-(.
> However I must say, that for years now, I am used to choose either Asus
> (NEVER Laptops, just MoBos!) or Gigabyte as default brands, because I
> never had trouble with these (under DOS/Win/OS2/Linux...) in regard to
> Bios update availability, support (via vendor), performance and anything
> else I can think of.
>
> Maybe I just stick with them for reasons of traditition, but I will
> happily do so until I will have reason to act differently.

Some time ago, my brother bought a new ASUS mobo. He booted it with a floppy 
drive attached and it worked fine til he removed the floppy drive,, then it 
went tits up.  Got an RMA from ASUS and got a new one, worked ok with a 
floppy but failed when the drive was disconected.  Once failed it remained 
failed. So he called ASUS,  they acknowledged a problem with that board but 
refused to do anything but send him another identical board with the 
identical problem.  When asked about getting a non defective board they told 
him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.  

He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool.  No ASUS boards in either of 
our computer rooms again.

One solution to the "what kind of os are you using" is to always tell them XP 
or the latest windows. I've never had anyone on the phone that could tell the 
difference.  Besides, most of the folks you talk to are simply reading a 
script anyway.

Richard
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 21:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:58:59 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > The better sysadmins can solve the problems without enterprise support.
>
> Depends on the problem. Relatively few sysadmins know enough about
> development to be able to fix bugs.

In Linux you are very much on your own. Every Linux hobbyist I know thinks 
they can run a lan. Put them in charge for a day and I bet there would be 
little or anything left of /etc. Everyone seems to know better. Especially 
men. It's not about dealing with computers. It's about dealing with people. 
That's where Linux users fall down so badly. That's why they don't get the 
jobs they deserve. Too many of them still live with their Mother.

Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

>
> - just a short note...
> - it may be that you were the second best at the time of hiring.
> - but that situation will change :-)
>

Hi. I think you may just be right. I didn't have to make the coffee today :-). 
But did get told off for wearing high heels-:(

Lynn x
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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[primm]

I also used mc
> > as my server does not have a gui.
>
> Well
>
> shopt -s extglob
> cp -a !(members) members
>
> should have worked, and so should
>
> export GLOBIGNORE=members
> cp -a * members
>
> I did test them before sending off the suggestions (although I did have a
> typo in there, so yes, a copy/paste wouldn't have worked)

Hi Anders. Don't worry about it. Yours was one of the two solutions which copy 
and pasted just fine. The other was the rsync method.

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[joe]

primm wrote:
> On Sunday 02 September 2007 21:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 September 2007 20:58:59 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>>> The better sysadmins can solve the problems without enterprise support.
>> Depends on the problem. Relatively few sysadmins know enough about
>> development to be able to fix bugs.
> 
> In Linux you are very much on your own. 

On your own? What kind of statement is that? Support is available, as with any
other OS, and then some. I can pick up the phone anytime, 24/7 and call HP or
Novell to get linux support.

Then there's also support available on the net for free.

> Every Linux hobbyist I know thinks 
> they can run a lan. Put them in charge for a day and I bet there would be 
> little or anything left of /etc. Everyone seems to know better. Especially 
> men. It's not about dealing with computers. It's about dealing with people. 
> That's where Linux users fall down so badly. That's why they don't get the 
> jobs they deserve. Too many of them still live with their Mother.

Too many outmoded stereotypes. I know a number of linux admins, and as with
anything, there are some really sharp ones, and some that you wouldn't let
near your computer. All the linux admins I know are married and own houses BTW.

Joe

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Greg Freemyer]

On 9/2/07, primm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > - just a short note...
> > - it may be that you were the second best at the time of hiring.
> > - but that situation will change :-)
> >
>
> Hi. I think you may just be right. I didn't have to make the coffee today :-).
> But did get told off for wearing high heels-:(

I used to work with a woman programmer that came from Russia, (Ukraine
before that).

She always wore high heels.  I assumed it was the Russian culture.

A couple weeks ago I went to her birthday party.  I was one of 5
people there that did not speak Russian.  Part of the evening was a
parody of her life.  Much of it involved her love of heels.  ie. Here
she walking in the woods, wearing heels. etc. etc.

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Billie Walsh]

primm wrote:



In Linux you are very much on your own. Every Linux hobbyist I know thinks 
they can run a lan. Put them in charge for a day and I bet there would be 
little or anything left of /etc. Everyone seems to know better. Especially 
men. It's not about dealing with computers. It's about dealing with people. 
That's where Linux users fall down so badly. That's why they don't get the 
jobs they deserve. Too many of them still live with their Mother.


Lynn x


I don't care who ya are. That there is funny.

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RE: [opensuse] Trying to internally redistribute a recompiled kernel.

[Darragh]

Jan,

Possibly a stupid question, but where are these packages.  Yast hasn't found
them and a quick search hasn't turned up anything either.

I'll keep looking but if you could point me in the right direction I'd
appreciate it.



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To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Trying to internally redistribute a recompiled
kernel.


On Sep 2 2007 21:49, Darragh wrote:
>
>I have to add a package compiled into the kernel and I'm hoping to
>distribute this modified SuSE kernel to a few machines around here in rpm
>format or something else that's easily distributed.  
>
>I'm running Open SuSE 10.2.
>
>I know that the kernel-source package will allow me to recompile and modify
>the shipped kernel on this system however, how do I then bring this kernel
>in rpm format to other systems?  I think there is a noSRC application that
I
>need to get but I'm not entirely sure and I've no idea where I'd find it. 

lbuild-10.2 kernel-default.spec




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[opensuse] SuSE 10.1: SMP kernel 2.6.17-rc2 (or later)

[wmeler]

I have SuSE 10.1 - KDE 3.5.1.  Can somebody give me directions on how
to install the latest stable kernel (later than 2.6.17-rc2)?  I don't
want to hassle with install going to SuSE 10.2.  I need the kernel for
some built-in drivers.  I want to be sure the SMP functionality is
working.

I am comfortable making things and I used to build the kernels back in
SuSE 8.1 days, but haven't done it in a while.  Also, if there are
needed packages, please let me know where I can get the SuSE 10.1
RPMs.  Thanks!

Sincerely,
wmeler
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[opensuse] 10.1 Multiple wireless routers 1 wireless card?

[Adolph Weidanz]

Hey all...

This might be one of those that just can't be done...

Ok... I have a DLink 451 (HSDPA hotspot wireless router) that I have
setup as 192.168.1.1 w/ DHCP off (all the computers have set IPs). I
also have a ancient linksys befw11s4 wireless. In a perfect world I want
to have the linksys act as an AP for the printer (yes it is networkable)
and the dlink connect to the world. All of the computers would connect
via the dlink, but be able to print by sending via cups to 192.168.1.1/2

Now I found a couple of ideas on how to do it: I set the linksys to
192.168.1.2, both the routers are on channel 1. One place I've run into
problems is that the howtos I've found all say that the essid's have to
be different. So say, the dlink's essid is route1, and linksys is
route2. The problem with this is the network card setup requires an
essid in order to use WEP. If I use route1 then it can't see route2.

The easiest way to do it is to buy a second wireless card and set the
linksys as 192.168.0.1, but I would rather get it to work without the
this way.

Any ideas be appreciated...

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Re: [opensuse] silly girls' cli copy problem

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:12:24 primm wrote:
> In Linux you are very much on your own.

That is very much not true.

It is true that there are a lot of people out there who pretend to know things 
(or think they do) when they really don't, but that is not exclusive to 
linux. The ability to judge the appropriateness of a suggested solution is 
more important than knowing the answer yourself. I have seen many suggestions 
on many mailing lists which, if implemented, would have totally destroyed the 
installation.

But that has nothing whatever to do with linux, and everything to do with 
human nature. Many of these emails were on lists unrelated to linux

Besides, as was pointed out, you have many professional options for support.

And there are many highly knowledgable persons on this mailing list and 
others. But if you want to rely on mailing lists, you have to learn to 
distinguish good answers from bad. But that's not the same as being on your 
own, it's just life
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Re: [opensuse] 32b compiled program not running in 64x environment - open SuSE 10.2

[Alexandr Malusek]

On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:05, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

> Finally, if I run 'linux32 myexample' under a 64b booted linux it also
> works fine! So it seems, for some applications, just running a 32b
> executible under 64b environment is not enough, or am I wrong it trying to
> run *any* 32b executible *without* prefixing it with "linux32" ?

There may be various reasons why a 32-bit executable does not run on a 64-bit 
system.  For instance it's dynamically linked and the 32-bit libraries are 
not present, or the executable detects the 64-bit environment and stops 
because the programmer coded it to stop, ...

The behavior is application-specific so I suggest that you look at the Matlab 
documentation.  You can start here:
http://www.mathworks.com/support/solutions/data/1-33IG3V.html?solution=1-33IG3V

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Meindl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can see that you have a Logitech mouse, so you might have a look at
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262317#c19 and apply the
> patch if necessary.
> 
> About the NVidia Driver please try to get the latest, because the old
> ones will not install properly, because some version number in the Xorg
> server was changed from 7.x to its internal version numbering. So older
> NVidia driver installer think that they have found an old XFree version
> and install in a wrong directory tree.
> 
> You might also try to do a
> sax2 -i -m 0=nvidia
> after you reinstalled the Nvidia driver. 0 is a NUMBER and not the
> capital version of the letter 'o'.
> Hope this helps a little,
> kind regards,
> 
> Tom
> 

Mouse is a Dell, about 3 years old, so that does not really make sense.
Will change it to a PS2 mouse though.

Art

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Meindl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can see that you have a Logitech mouse, so you might have a look at
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262317#c19 and apply the
> patch if necessary.
> 
> About the NVidia Driver please try to get the latest, because the old
> ones will not install properly, because some version number in the Xorg
> server was changed from 7.x to its internal version numbering. So older
> NVidia driver installer think that they have found an old XFree version
> and install in a wrong directory tree.
> 
> You might also try to do a
> sax2 -i -m 0=nvidia
> after you reinstalled the Nvidia driver. 0 is a NUMBER and not the
> capital version of the letter 'o'.
> Hope this helps a little,
> kind regards,
> 
> Tom
> 
In Beta1 I tried the 100.14.11, but it would cause KDE to lockup on exit
when using compiz-fusion. Went back to 9639 and compiz-fusion was
working fine then. This was with xorg 7.2 and compiz-fusion 5.2.xx. It
also no longer works. Will try it again.

Art

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[opensuse] Thoughts On OS Betas

[Jerry Houston]

How well one is served by a beta distribution (of nearly everything, but
especially an OS distribution) depends on two major factors:  (1) how
much of the system you actually use, and (2) how important the
particular machine is to you.

With regard to (1), the less of a system you actually use, the more
likely a beta distribution will work just fine.  One of my laptops gets
used very lightly, for occasional email and web browsing.  10.3 Beta 1
was great on it.  More drivers that I needed were built into the kernel,
and there was way less fussing around to get things working than with
the 10.2 release.

On another machine, 10.3 Beta 1 gave me sound from the onboard sound
card, which I never had been able to get working with 10.2.  For the
first time, I was able to rip some of my CDs to .ogg files and enjoy
them through the fairly high-quality speakers connected to that machine.
 On another laptop, 10.3 Beta 2 has enabled wireless connectivity for
the first time.  That's a serious advantage for a computer that I can't
really use very well connected to an Ethernet cable.

With regard to (2), life in the fast lane definitely comes with risks.
Although being an early adopter of the newest distribution can be
exciting and rewarding, it doesn't make sense to install a beta on a
machine that's needed for serious work.  Unless, that is, you're willing
to risk trashing a file system, or have a great backup system in place.

All it takes is common sense, and reasonable precautions.  I just
finished reinstalling 10.2 on my Linux desktop machine, after I managed
to trash one of the disks with 10.3 Beta 1.  For me, that computer is a
toy, one I built for the express purpose of experimenting with Linux.
With my /user area backed up on a separate drive, I was able to restore
my email and documents fairly easily.

Would I install a beta on a machine I use for serious work, and that I
can't afford to have out of operation?  Heh.  I'm not that dumb.  But I
sure am enjoying the new openSuSE bits.  I can't wait for the stable
release!
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Re: [opensuse] Really need help from networking guru

[Carlos E. R.]

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> solve for several months now. At least point me to where I can find the

...

> I put these commands in /etc/init.d/boot.local.

which will not work, as this script runs before network is up.

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[opensuse] Re: Conflicts on KDE upgrade

[Ciro Iriarte]

2007/8/29, Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2007/8/29, Ciro Iriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi, trying to update a [EMAIL PROTECTED] system with the latest KDE3
> > packages from build service i get a lot of conflicts between kdelibs3
> > and kdelibs3-32bit. Shouldn't this libraries go to a different
> > directory?
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkspell.so.4.2.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkspell2.so.1.0.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libktexteditor.so.0.0.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkunittest.so.1.0.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkutils.so.1.2.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkwalletbackend.so.1.0.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1.0.1 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> > error: file /opt/kde3/lib/libvcard.so.0.0.0 from install of
> > kdelibs3-3.5.7-69.1 conflicts with file from package
> > kdelibs3-32bit-3.5.1-49.18.3
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ciro
> >
> Is smart choosing the wrong architecture?, i checked and the installed
> packages are for x86_64 and the repository
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1/)
> includes packages for x86_64.
>
> Regards,
> Ciro
>
Ok, seems that the kdebase3-32bit package is missing from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/,
can this be fixed?, it's present on my 10.1 and 10.2 installations by
default.

Regards,
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[opensuse] VirtualBox

[Hans Linux]

dear all
i m having problem with my VirtualBox on my opensuse 102. The error is :


VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was
either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason.
Re-setup the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.
VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).


Result Code:
0x80004005
Component:
Console
Interface:
IConsole {1dea5c4b-0753-4193-b909-22330f64ec45}

 
I try the command as suggested, but vboxdrv doesnt seem to be exist :
/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
-bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory

I installed it using opensuse10.2 repo. any idea what should i do?

Thx for any help.
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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

[Srinivasa Ragavan]

Hi,

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
> Dear my friends...
> 
> I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but 
> not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
> 
> I checked the "remember this password" for receiving and sending an email. 
> But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type the 
> password again although previously I have checked the "remember password" 
> check-button.
What is the version of Evolution/SUSE you use?

-Srini.
> 
> It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I believe, 
> there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
> ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
> 
> It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each 
> time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
> 
> Please tell me what should I do?
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> -- 
> Patrik Hasibuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Junior Programmer

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Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox]

[Brian Craft]

Hi Hans,

I too had the same error and I followed the instructions in the error
message: 

execute  '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.

This patched the kernel and fixed it.


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On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 10:02 +0700, Hans Linux wrote: 
> dear all
> i m having problem with my VirtualBox on my opensuse 102. The error is :
> 
> 
> VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was
> either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason.
> Re-setup the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.
> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
> 
> 
> Result Code:
> 0x80004005
> Component:
> Console
> Interface:
> IConsole {1dea5c4b-0753-4193-b909-22330f64ec45}
> 
>  
> I try the command as suggested, but vboxdrv doesnt seem to be exist :
> /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
> -bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory
> 
> I installed it using opensuse10.2 repo. any idea what should i do?
> 
> Thx for any help.

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Re: [opensuse] Catalyst Control Center Linux Edition

[Francisco José Cadaval Arrola]

Thank, you.

I changed to KDE from GNome and there was CCC !!
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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

[Patrik Hasibuan]

Hi Srinivasa,

Thank you for your respond.

I use OpenSuSE10.2 . Evolution ver.2.8.2 Groupware suite.

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:54:05 +0530
Srinivasa Ragavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
> > Dear my friends...
> > 
> > I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but 
> > not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
> > 
> > I checked the "remember this password" for receiving and sending an email. 
> > But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type 
> > the password again although previously I have checked the "remember 
> > password" check-button.
> What is the version of Evolution/SUSE you use?
> 
> -Srini.
> > 
> > It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I 
> > believe, there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
> > ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
> > 
> > It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each 
> > time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
> > 
> > Please tell me what should I do?
> > 
> > Thank you very much in advance.
> > -- 
> > Patrik Hasibuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Junior Programmer
> 
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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

[Srinivasa Ragavan]

Hi Patrik,

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:05 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
> Hi Srinivasa,
> 
> Thank you for your respond.
> 
> I use OpenSuSE10.2 . Evolution ver.2.8.2 Groupware suite.
There is an update to Evolution (Evolution-data-server rpm) for OpenSUSE
10.2 which fixes the problem.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222479 is the reference bug.

Thanks
Srini.

> 
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:54:05 +0530
> Srinivasa Ragavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
> > > Dear my friends...
> > > 
> > > I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE 
> > > but not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
> > > 
> > > I checked the "remember this password" for receiving and sending an 
> > > email. But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to 
> > > re-type the password again although previously I have checked the 
> > > "remember password" check-button.
> > What is the version of Evolution/SUSE you use?
> > 
> > -Srini.
> > > 
> > > It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I 
> > > believe, there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
> > > ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
> > > 
> > > It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password 
> > > each time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
> > > 
> > > Please tell me what should I do?
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much in advance.
> > > -- 
> > > Patrik Hasibuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Junior Programmer
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [opensuse] Emerald theme, how to apply to gnome panel

[Munkii]

On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 11:15 +0700, Hans Linux wrote:
> anyone can tell me how to apply the selected emerald theme to gnome
> panel? the theme only applies on window.

emerald themes can't be applied to gnome menu (unless maybe for the
shadows), they are meant to be window decoration themes not desktop
themes. you still can try to tweak it a bit so it won't look out of
place though, just right-click on an empty space in the panel, choose
properties and start tweaking..

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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

[Munkii]

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
> Dear my friends...
> 
> I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but 
> not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
> 
> I checked the "remember this password" for receiving and sending an email. 
> But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type the 
> password again although previously I have checked the "remember password" 
> check-button.
> 
> It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I believe, 
> there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
> ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
> 
> It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each 
> time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
> 
> Please tell me what should I do?
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> -- 
> Patrik Hasibuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Junior Programmer

did you enable gnome keyring?

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[opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

[Eberhard Roloff]

Richard Atcheson wrote:
> When asked about getting a non defective board they told 
> him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.  
> 
> He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool.  No ASUS boards in either 
> of 
> our computer rooms again.
> 
I fully agree that ASUS and  (feel free to insert any other brad
name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and
BIOS editions.

I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I
never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how
funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer
until you can tell about potential hardware problems via internet and
computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.

In short:
After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid
Beta-Tester.

Imho this is much better than living on the fast lane and:
Prizes tend to be lower, as well.

> One solution to the "what kind of os are you using" is to always tell them XP 
> or the latest windows. I've never had anyone on the phone that could tell the 
> difference.  

This is a good one and works out greatly for me, as well.

I do not like this approach since doing so, people will never know about
that other  OS, but at least it is quick and it works everytime!

regards
Eberhard

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