Re: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread Scott Barnes 
iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in
a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw)
doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then
upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ...
80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:

> I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up
> with a dog like iOS?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>
>> VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)
>>
>> http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Regards,
>> Scott Barnes
>> http://www.riagenic.com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously
>>> exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 
>>>
>>> I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of
>>> the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my
>>> productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in
>>> favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to
>>> the ribbon OK). 
>>>
>>> There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with
>>> one of the other hacks that I listed. 
>>>
>>> NiceVS
>>>
>>>
>>> http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
>>> 
>>>
>>> I hate to have to do these things. 
>>> --
>>>
>>> **Ian Thomas**
>>> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore
>>> old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't
>>> normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products
>>> are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people
>>> just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn
>>> resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style
>>> change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour,
>>> fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and
>>> brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far
>>> (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a
>>> charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft
>>> that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they
>>> recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> And then there's Windows 8 ...
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Wallace Turner 
since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free
copy of your content please?


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
> to End”
>
>
> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>
>
> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>
> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Heinrich Breedt 
really??


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Wallace Turner wrote:

> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
> free copy of your content please?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
>> to End”
>>
>>
>> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>>
>>
>> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
>> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
>> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
>> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
>> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>>
>> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>>
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Heinrich Breedt

“Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.”
- William B. Sprague

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Stephen Price 
Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if
someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
preferably).

Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a
cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
you in the street.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wrote:

> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
> free copy of your content please?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
>> to End”
>>
>>
>> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>>
>>
>> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
>> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
>> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
>> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
>> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>>
>> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>>
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Wallace Turner 
Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner wrote:

> I dont agree sorry.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think
>> if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
>> share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
>> regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
>> preferably).
>>
>> Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself
>> a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
>> you in the street.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner > > wrote:
>>
>>> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
>>> free copy of your content please?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing:
 End to End”


 *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 


 "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer
 satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A
 quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course
 covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI
 levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration
 build server."

 Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

 Cheers
 Jason

 Sent from Windows Mail


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Wallace Turner 
I dont agree sorry.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price wrote:

> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if
> someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
> share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
> regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
> preferably).
>
> Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a
> cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
> you in the street.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
>> free copy of your content please?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
>>> to End”
>>>
>>>
>>> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>>>
>>>
>>> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
>>> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
>>> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
>>> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
>>> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>>>
>>> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Heinrich Breedt 
Mate, you are out of line.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner wrote:

> Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> I dont agree sorry.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price > > wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think
>>> if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
>>> share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
>>> regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
>>> preferably).
>>>
>>> Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself
>>> a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
>>> you in the street.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner <
>>> wallace.tur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
 free copy of your content please?


 On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing:
> End to End”
>
>
> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>
>
> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer
> satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A
> quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course
> covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI
> levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration
> build server."
>
> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>


>>>
>>
>


-- 
Heinrich Breedt

“Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.”
- William B. Sprague

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Arjang Assadi 
Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can we
discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed programming
models instead?


On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt  wrote:

> Mate, you are out of line.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner > > wrote:
>>
>>> I dont agree sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price <
>>> step...@perthprojects.com> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think
 if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
 share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
 regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
 preferably).

 Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make
 yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as
 we pass you in the street.



 On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner <
 wallace.tur...@gmail.com> wrote:

> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
> free copy of your content please?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing:
>> End to End”
>>
>>
>> *http://bit.ly/pstesting* 
>>
>>
>> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer
>> satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A
>> quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical 
>> course
>> covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI
>> levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration
>> build server."
>>
>> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>>
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Heinrich Breedt
>
> “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.”
> - William B. Sprague
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Wallace Turner 

good idea! i'll save Jason some typing by posting this:
http://pluralsight.com/training/Courses/TableOfContents?courseName=eda

:)

On 20/06/2013 8:21 PM, Arjang Assadi wrote:
Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can 
we discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed 
programming models instead?



On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt > wrote:


Mate, you are out of line.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner
mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner
mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I dont agree sorry.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price
mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming.
Personally, I think if someone in our community
produces anything they are proud of and want to share
with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails
were to become a regular thing then you could politely
ask them to stop (off list preferably).

Since you are in the business of begging, could you
please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so
we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the
street.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner
mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com>> wrote:

since you are in the business of spamming the list
could you provide a free copy of your content please?


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,
mailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk>>
wrote:

Hi all,
My new Pluralsight course has just been
released “Automated Testing: End to End”

_http://bit.ly/pstesting_

"We shouldn't live in fear of our code.
Long-term customer satisfaction, product
agility, and developer happiness are crucial.
A quality suite of automated tests helps
achieve this. This practical course covers how
and what to test at the unit, integration, and
functional UI levels; and how to bring them
all together with continuous integration build
server."

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a
great morning 😊
Cheers
Jason
Sent from Windows Mail








-- 
Heinrich Breedt


“Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by
striking.” - William B. Sprague

RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Thomas 
Agreed, Stephen – not spam, definitely informative – and in my opinion, 
helpful. 

Perhaps it is the right thing / fashionable to preface it with a pseudo-xml 
token  and it would be all OK. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:53 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

 

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if 
someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share 
with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular 
thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). 

 

Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a 
cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in 
the street. 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner  
wrote:

since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free 
copy of your content please?

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:

Hi all,

 

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”

 

  http://bit.ly/pstesting

 

"We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, 
product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of 
automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what 
to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring 
them all together with continuous integration build server."

 

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

 

Cheers

Jason

 

Sent from Windows Mail

Distributed Programming models

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Thomas 
(Arjang – hijacking won’t get it discussed)

 

can we discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed programming 
models instead

 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Arjang Assadi
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:21 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

 

Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can we discuss 
what frameworks are available to support distributed programming models 
instead? 

 

On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt  wrote:

Mate, you are out of line.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner  
wrote:

Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner  
wrote:

I dont agree sorry. 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price  
wrote:

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. ………

RE: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread Nick Randolph 
Well said. Punished myself by using it for a day - never been so relieved to 
get rid of it (oh wait, actually the last time was when I tried using an iphone 
5 for a week... need I say more).

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 7:46 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a 
bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing 
lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your 
digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the 
mullet Steve would have wanted.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith 
mailto:meski...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up with a 
dog like iOS?

Mike

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes 
mailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas 
mailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
Greg, Greg - I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great 
influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft.
I can't stand Office 2013 - I appreciate some features, but find some of the 
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my 
productivity). I don't think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour 
of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon 
OK).
There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted - NiceVS. It overlaps with one of 
the other hacks that I listed.
NiceVS
http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
I hate to have to do these things.

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours 
and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. 
We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my 
experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and 
run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been 
quite startling. Why is this happening?

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change 
where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, 
etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better 
with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first 
preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there 
some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do 
they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they 
put through the usability testing?

And then there's Windows 8 ...

Greg




--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Nathan Chere 
Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement does classify as spamming, regardless of 
volume.

Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not completely out of 
nowhere and it is just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you 
choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to 
flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it.

Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch 
times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if 
someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share 
with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular 
thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably).

Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a 
cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in 
the street.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner 
mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com>> wrote:
since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free 
copy of your content please?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, 
mailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all,

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”


http://bit.ly/pstesting


"We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, 
product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of 
automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what 
to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring 
them all together with continuous integration build server."

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

Cheers
Jason

Sent from Windows Mail





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Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Wallace Turner 

for the record:

jasi...@yahoo.co.uk
21-Mar *(first post)*: /Hi Greg, as well as the fat books, you may find 
the Pluralsight MVC videos helpful too.../
21-Mar:*(of a commercial nature) */I’ve been lean publishing a book 
called Keeping Software Soft at //http://KeepingSoftwareSoft.com/
29-May:*(***of a commercial nature*)* /If anyone’s thinking about doing 
any Win 8 app dev, my first Pluralsight course was recently published/
19-Jun: /(/*of a commercial nature*/*)*My new Pluralsight course has 
just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”/


He is also based in the UK so the cynic in me wonders how many dotnet 
user groups worldwide might be receiving the same messages.



On 21/06/2013 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere wrote:


Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement *does* classify as spamming, 
regardless of volume.


Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not 
*completely* out of nowhere and it *is* just one email. But WT’s call 
is fair enough too. If you choose to resort to spam to get the word 
out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you need to accept the bad 
will that comes with it.


Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend 
your lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their 
cardboard signs.


*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price

*Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I 
think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of 
and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails 
were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to 
stop (off list preferably).


Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make 
yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free 
stuff as we pass you in the street.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner 
mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com>> wrote:


since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a 
free copy of your content please?


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, > wrote:


Hi all,

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: 
End to End”


http://bit.ly/pstesting

"We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer 
satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A 
quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical 
course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and 
functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with 
continuous integration build server."


Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

Cheers

Jason

Sent from Windows Mail

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to report this email as spam.




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Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Stephen Price 
True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not "
indiscriminately" sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic.

Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so
those inclined can come and watch your show.
:)

Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a
hangover from having lived there few years ago.

Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never hear
the bloody end of it.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere wrote:

>  Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement *does* classify as spamming,
> regardless of volume.
>
> ** **
>
> Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not *completely*out 
> of nowhere and it
> *is* just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to
> resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you
> need to accept the bad will that comes with it.
>
> ** **
>
> Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your
> lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
>
> ** **
>
> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if
> someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
> share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
> regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
> preferably). 
>
> ** **
>
> Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a
> cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
> you in the street. 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
> free copy of your content please?
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
> to End”
>
>  
>
> http://bit.ly/pstesting
>
>  
>
> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>
>  
>
> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> Jason
>
>  
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Click here  to
> report this email as spam.
>
>
> This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
>

Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
So I heard you liek Pluralsight courses... :)

Another meme for Friday.



On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Stephen Price
wrote:

> True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not "
> indiscriminately" sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic.
>
> Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so
> those inclined can come and watch your show.
> :)
>
> Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a
> hangover from having lived there few years ago.
>
> Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never
> hear the bloody end of it.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere 
> wrote:
>
>>  Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement *does* classify as spamming,
>> regardless of volume.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not *completely*out 
>> of nowhere and it
>> *is* just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to
>> resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you
>> need to accept the bad will that comes with it.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your
>> lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs.
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM
>>
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think
>> if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to
>> share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a
>> regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list
>> preferably). 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself
>> a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass
>> you in the street. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a
>> free copy of your content please?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End
>> to End”
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://bit.ly/pstesting
>>
>>  
>>
>> "We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction,
>> product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of
>> automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and
>> what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to
>> bring them all together with continuous integration build server."
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Click here  to
>> report this email as spam.
>>
>>
>> This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
Nice quote.  Google says it's *skeuomorphism *though.  (what kind of
language puts euo in that order???)

Mike

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:

> iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in
> a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw)
> doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then
> upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ...
> 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted.
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up
>> with a dog like iOS?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Regards,
>>> Scott Barnes
>>> http://www.riagenic.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas wrote:
>>>
 Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously
 exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

 I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some
 of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my
 productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in
 favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to
 the ribbon OK). 

 There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with
 one of the other hacks that I listed. 

 NiceVS


 http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
 

 I hate to have to do these things. 
 --

 **Ian Thomas**
 Victoria Park, Western Australia

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks

 ** **

 Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore
 old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't
 normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products
 are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people
 just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn
 resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?***
 *

  

 Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style
 change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour,
 fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and
 brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far
 (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a
 charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft
 that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they
 recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing?

  

 And then there's Windows 8 ...

  

 Greg

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Distributed Programming models

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
Like SETI and Folding et al  use?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOINC_client%E2%80%93server_technology



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> (Arjang – hijacking won’t get it discussed)
>
> ** **
>
> can we discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed
> programming models instead
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
> --
>
> **Ian Thomas**
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Arjang Assadi
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:21 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
>
> ** **
>
> Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can we
> discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed programming
> models instead? 
>
> ** **
>
> On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt  wrote:**
> **
>
> Mate, you are out of line.
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Hes not exactly sharing it, is he?
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner 
> wrote:
>
> I dont agree sorry. 
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. ………
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Message Queing

2013-06-20 Thread Corneliu I. Tusnea 
Hi,

Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with
.Net?
I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I
want to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive.

Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally.

Thanks,
Corneliu.

Re: Message Queing

2013-06-20 Thread Joseph Cooney 
I've had good experiences with zeromq, in a fairly limited context.
On 21 Jun 2013 11:48, "Corneliu I. Tusnea"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with
> .Net?
> I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I
> want to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive.
>
> Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally.
>
> Thanks,
> Corneliu.
>
>
>

RE: Message Queing

2013-06-20 Thread Nathan Chere 
RabbitMQ works great.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 11:48 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Message Queing

Hi,

Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with .Net?
I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I want 
to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive.

Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally.

Thanks,
Corneliu.




Click here to report 
this email as spam.


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RE: Message Queing

2013-06-20 Thread GregAtGregLowDotCom 
Have you got SQL Server in the loop? If so, Service Broker. At least then
you know it's persisted.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 11:48 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Message Queing

 

Hi,

 

Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with
.Net?

I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I
want to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive.

 

Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally.

 

Thanks,

Corneliu.

RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread David Ames 
No worries ☺

https://pluralsight.com/training/Subscribe/Step1?isTrial=True


Free 10day trial via the above link.


Dave


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Wallace Turner
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:31 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free 
copy of your content please?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, 
mailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all,

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”


http://bit.ly/pstesting


"We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, 
product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of 
automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what 
to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring 
them all together with continuous integration build server."

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

Cheers
Jason

Sent from Windows Mail

RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

2013-06-20 Thread Paul Evrat 
 

Personally I would like to hear about the products and services that people / 
organisations on the forum have to plug and about whatever they are working on. 
I would have a little more faith and recourse with such a product or service 
than some random finding on the web.

 

Perhaps once a month the forum moderators could declare  and 
of course some time later  ? 

 

Wouldn’t most people have some interest in this or curiosity at least?

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 11:15 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

 

True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not 
"indiscriminately" sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic. 

 

Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so 
those inclined can come and watch your show. 

:)

 

Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a hangover 
from having lived there few years ago. 

 

Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never hear the 
bloody end of it. 

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere  
wrote:

Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement does classify as spamming, regardless of 
volume.

 

Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not completely out of 
nowhere and it is just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you 
choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to 
flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it.

 

Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch 
times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

 

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if 
someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share 
with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular 
thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). 

 

Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a 
cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in 
the street. 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner  
wrote:

since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free 
copy of your content please?

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM,  wrote:

Hi all,

 

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”

 

  http://bit.ly/pstesting

 

"We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, 
product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of 
automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what 
to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring 
them all together with continuous integration build server."

 

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 😊

 

Cheers

Jason

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

 

 

 

Click here   to report 
this email as spam.

 

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 www.websense.com

 

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RE: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Thomas 
It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs 
(skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?

But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of 
Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Nice quote.  Google says it's skeuomorphism though.  (what kind of language 
puts euo in that order???)

 

Mike

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes  wrote:

iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a 
bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing 
lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your 
digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the 
mullet Steve would have wanted.




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:

I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up with a 
dog like iOS?

 

Mike

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes  wrote:

VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)

 

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013

 




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great 
influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the 
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my 
productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour 
of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon 
OK). 

There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of 
the other hacks that I listed. 

NiceVS

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
 

I hate to have to do these things. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours 
and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. 
We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my 
experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and 
run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been 
quite startling. Why is this happening?

 

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change 
where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, 
etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better 
with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first 
preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there 
some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do 
they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they 
put through the usability testing?

 

And then there's Windows 8 ...

 

Greg

 





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

 





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
*I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8  on
it.

(disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion, but
a personal one)

Mike



On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs
> (skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?
>
> But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging
> praise of Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 
> --
>
> **Ian Thomas**
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
> ** **
>
> Nice quote.  Google says it's *skeuomorphism *though.  (what kind of
> language puts euo in that order???)
>
> ** **
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in
> a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw)
> doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then
> upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ...
> 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted.
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:**
> **
>
> I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up
> with a dog like iOS?
>
> ** **
>
> Mike
>
> ** **
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)
>
> ** **
>
> http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> ** **
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
>
> Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted
> great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 
>
> I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of
> the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my
> productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in
> favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to
> the ribbon OK). 
>
> There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one
> of the other hacks that I listed. 
>
> NiceVS
>
>
> http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
> 
>
> I hate to have to do these things. 
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
>  
>
> Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore
> old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't
> normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products
> are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people
> just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn
> resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?
>
>  
>
> Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style
> change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour,
> fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and
> brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far
> (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a
> charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft
> that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they
> recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing?
>
>  
>
> And then there's Windows 8 ...
>
>  
>
> Greg
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Thomas 
Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of are 
the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and Win8Pro) – 
quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was a Windows8 
Slate (WinRT ?). 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:13 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

*I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8  on it. 
 

 

(disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion, but a 
personal one)

 

Mike

 

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs 
(skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?

But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of 
Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Nice quote.  Google says it's skeuomorphism though.  (what kind of language 
puts euo in that order???)

 

Mike

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes  wrote:

iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a 
bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing 
lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your 
digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the 
mullet Steve would have wanted.




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:

I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up with a 
dog like iOS?

 

Mike

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes  wrote:

VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)

 

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013

 




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great 
influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the 
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my 
productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour 
of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon 
OK). 

There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of 
the other hacks that I listed. 

NiceVS

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
 

I hate to have to do these things. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours 
and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. 
We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my 
experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and 
run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been 
quite startling. Why is this happening?

 

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change 
where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, 
etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better 
with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first 
preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there 
some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do 
they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they 
put through the usability testing?

 

And then there's Windows 8 ...

 

Greg

 





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

 





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills





 

-- 
Meski


   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: VS2012 hacks

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
Just Pro, AFAIK.  You'd think that the hardware for Android would be a good
match for RT, though?

Query for Microsoft:  is RT available as a piece of software, or only sold
with hardware?

Mike

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of
> are the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and
> Win8Pro) – quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was
> a Windows8 Slate (WinRT ?). 
>
> ** **
> --
>
> **Ian Thomas**
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 12:13 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
> ** **
>
> *I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8
>  on it.  
>
> ** **
>
> (disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion,
> but a personal one)
>
> ** **
>
> Mike
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
>
> It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs
> (skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?
>
> But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging
> praise of Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
>  
>
> Nice quote.  Google says it's *skeuomorphism *though.  (what kind of
> language puts euo in that order???)
>
>  
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in
> a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw)
> doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then
> upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ...
> 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted.
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith  wrote:**
> **
>
> I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up
> with a dog like iOS?
>
>  
>
> Mike
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)
>
>  
>
> http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013
> 
>
>  
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
>
> Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted
> great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 
>
> I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of
> the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my
> productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in
> favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to
> the ribbon OK). 
>
> There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one
> of the other hacks that I listed. 
>
> NiceVS
>
>
> http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
> 
>
> I hate to have to do these things. 
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
>  
>
> Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore
> old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't
> normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products
> are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people
> just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn
> resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?
>
>  
>
> Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style
> change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour,
> fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and
> brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far
> (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a
> charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft
> that is driving this trend? Do they explain the

Tablets - WinRT and Android

2013-06-20 Thread Ian Thomas 
(tangential to VS2012 hacks)

Yes, that was my thought – the Slate 7 hardware has ARM processor, and the 
WinRT would be a good fit. Then HP would have directly competing Android vs 
Windows tablets.  

The US prices on (Android) Slate 7 are under $200. But the Nexus 7 is a 
better-configured tablet ($+) – 3G/HSPA+ ($AU350 or so).  

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Just Pro, AFAIK.  You'd think that the hardware for Android would be a good 
match for RT, though?

 

Query for Microsoft:  is RT available as a piece of software, or only sold with 
hardware?

 

Mike

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of are 
the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and Win8Pro) – 
quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was a Windows8 
Slate (WinRT ?). 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

Re: Tablets - WinRT and Android

2013-06-20 Thread mike smith 
Which is why I have the n7 3G myself.  (In my defense, I also have a
TouchPad)

Mike


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> (tangential to VS2012 hacks)
>
> Yes, that was my thought – the Slate 7 hardware has ARM processor, and the
> WinRT would be a good fit. Then HP would have directly competing Android vs
> Windows tablets.  
>
> The US prices on (Android) Slate 7 are under $200. But the Nexus 7 is a
> better-configured tablet ($+) – 3G/HSPA+ ($AU350 or so).  
>
> ** **
> --
>
> **Ian Thomas**
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 12:36 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks
>
> ** **
>
> Just Pro, AFAIK.  You'd think that the hardware for Android would be a
> good match for RT, though?
>
> ** **
>
> Query for Microsoft:  is RT available as a piece of software, or only sold
> with hardware?
>
> ** **
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of
> are the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and
> Win8Pro) – quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was
> a Windows8 Slate (WinRT ?). 
>
>  
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills