Family emergency -- equipment for sale
Oh, how the mighty are fallen!! Yesterday I spent a great deal of time and energy trying to defend my use of zooms against the dreaded Visigoths of prime lenses (:-)). Today, due to a family emergency, I am forced to sell my equipment in order to raise some ready cash. Thought Id give the users of this list first shot before I put them on the infamous eBay. (Although after yesterdays thread Im not sure just how much interest there will be here for my zooms! ;-) ) Up for sale are: NEW MZ-S body with BG-10 battery grip Both were purchased at the end of August, the camera from Beach Camera, the battery grip from Adorama. Both will come in their original boxes and the MZ-S has a blank warranty card. I m asking $800 for BOTH. (BTW this body is one of the later ones with the serial # beginning 478. Ive not had ANY of the problems talked about on this list frame overlap, meter problems, mirror lock up, etc.) Mint Tokina AT-X af Pro 20-25 f2.8 zoom purchased 8/22/01 from Camera world for $650 this lens for all intent is new, having been on my camera less than a half dozen times. It will come in its original box with all included paperwork (Ill send my registered warranty card), lens case, caps, etc. Im asking $400 for this one. Mint Tokina AT-X af Pro II 28-70 f2.6-2.8 zoom this has been my normal lens and has seen the most use but is in absolute MINT condition. Im asking $275 for this one and it, too, will come in its original packaging with all original accessories. Mint Tokina AT-X af Pro 80-200 f2.8 zoom this baby is a fantastic zoom. In absolutely mint condition Ive had it for about 9 months and its in PERFECT condition. It will also come with all its original packaging and equipment. I need $375 for this one. Mint Sigma 105 f2.8 EX macro if youre into macro photography this is the lens to have. Not only is it a great short tele/portrait lens, its one of the few on the market that will let you go 1:1 on your film with no accessories. It is tack sharp whether at macro or at 105mm! This one is as new and will, as all others, include all original packaging and materials. I need $200 for this one. I would ask that any buyer be willing to pay $10 towards USPS priority insured shipping in the CONUS, $15 to Canada (sorry, I can only ship to the US or Canada). I will accept cashiers checks, money orders or Pay Pal. If you have questions or want to make a purchase, you can contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Again, all this equipment is in like NEW condition and will come to you just like it came from the original supplier. If youre interested in anything I need to hear from you soon. Ill be out of touch between the 12th and 21st of November and anything not sold by the 12th will end up on eBay. My hearts breaking at having to give up this equipment but family needs take priority over personal pleasure. My loss will, hopefully, be your gain! Dave Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Heading to Italy (was: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise)
Buono Sera, Gianfranco, I'd love to get the opportunity to visit with you while in Italy! I will be in Naples between the 13th and the 18th. I'm not sure, however, how I might arrange it. I am a Southern Baptist minister and I am coming over to work with a US military church that we are partners with. As a result I will be at their mercy for transportation and activities. In addition, I will be traveling with three other individuals from my church. Most of my work with them will be done in the evening so I will be doing some sightseeing during the days. If you will mail me your phone number perhaps once we get there I can phone and arrange some time to visit and get acquainted. This will be my fourth visit to Napoli and I absolutely love the area and the people! If my wife and I could afford it we would move there immediately! There is just something unique about the people of Southern Italy that is so fresh and open. I speak molto poco l'Italiano so what a treat it would be to get to spend some time with someone so familiar with the area! Arrivederci! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gianfranco Irlanda Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:16 PM To: David Hatfield Subject: Heading to Italy (was: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise) David Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm heading to Italy in two weeks and plan on taking nothing by my 28-70 and 20-35. I'll see what happens. Hi David, Any chance we can meet? I'm in Naples (well, in Ercolano, but it's so close that you cannot part one from another...). Gianfranco Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise
I don't know, Bruce (et. al.). Seems to me that zooms are finding their own spot in today's photographic world. Years ago the argument for using primes centered on the fact that they were generally a higher quality lens that what you could find in even the highest priced zooms. I don't believe that to be the case anymore. Today's technology and production have brought zoom quality to a point that, if placed side by side, few if any could pick out shots made with primes as opposed to those made with zooms even at the highest magnification. Zooms are a great tool. They allow me to compose, shoot and recompose at a moments notice without having to waste time finding just the right spot to shoot from (assuming, of course, that my next shot will be from the same angle). The creative process still resides with me. It's only the equipment that is different. I still have to determine the best angle, framing, exposure, etc. for each shot whether I use a zoom or a prime. If I use a good quality zoom then the quality of the shot will come directly back to my capacity as a photographer, not to the nature of the lens. I currently carry four lenses in my bag the Tokina ATX-pro 28-70 f2.6-2.8 (my normal lens), a Tokina ATX-pro 20-35 f2.8, a Tokina ATX-pro 80-200 f2.8 and the Sigma 105 EX f2.8 macro (my only non-zoom) used primarily for macro shots since it produces 1:1 without attachments. The quality of these lenses easily matches even the best primes and none of them releases me from having to think about how I'm composing my shot. They simply allow me the ease of altering that composition without having to dig in my bag so often. Zooms? I love 'em!! Dave Hatfield -Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Certainly an interesting observation. I have been somewhat resistant to using zooms much for fear of the same thing happening to me. I really only have one zoom that I take now (Tokina 28-70 f:2.8) and find that I don't want it to be the default lens. But for how things fit in the bag, it is easiest to leave on the body. There are a few cases where the zoom is handy - basically when the subject keeps running around (kids, soccer, birthday party). Other than that I have tried to stick with the primes. I have been toying with getting a wide zoom, but your post gives me something to think about. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Hi everybody, Wanta start a discussion about zooms vs. primes? :-) I was out meandering around yesterday looking for autumn fall color shots and the thought occurred to me that my prime lenses have seen too little use lately. I usually have a zoom attached as the default lens... why? Convenience maybe, or maybe I'm afraid I'll miss a shot because I had a 28mm lens on-body when I needed a 200mm. When I do use a prime lens, I immediately take it off and put the zoom back on, in part, because the zoom is FAT and is harder to get in/out the lens pocket of the camera bag. I was blinded by a flash of insight and did some self-examination. Yes, I AM A PITIFUL EXAMPLE OF THE SPECIES, A ROTTEN HUSBAND AND BAD FATHER! Those things aside, I started thinking about how I have been shooting with a zoom and realized how hindering to creativity it seems to be for me. Even though the 28-200 does wide angle, when was the last time I consciously thought about using it that way. Or composed with it purposely at 28mm? I can't remember. What's happening is when I see a scene I consider shooting, I adjust the focal length [FL] :-) until I'm happy with what I see in the viewfinder and snap the picture. I feel likes it's turning me into a point and shooter. I haven't been using the wide-angle capability to it's full advantage, for instance, I could be using the short-focussing distance and greater DOF to my advantage composition-wise. I should be looking for those shots, and I DID when I purposely put a 28mm prime on, BEFORE I had a zoom. Same with longer lenses. With the zoom, I'm just using it to get closer, instead of thinking about how a long lens compresses things and then using it as a composition tool. And with the relatively small maximum apertures of the zooms, I think I've been missing shots a faster lens would allow, especially if I did not have a tripod. So... I've decided to take my zooms out of the camera bag for an indefinite period of time, at least a month, maybe forever unless it's a family vacation. I will only use a M 28mm, FA 43mm, FA 100mm macro, and M 200mm. I hope to see a difference in the results, both in quality and composition. Tom C. - This message is from
RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise
As in most cases, Shel, I agree with your analysis. However, I'm not sure that I understand your reasoning as to why a prime should be deemed better for street shooting than a zoom other than perhaps its size and weight could give it some advantage over a larger zoom. On my MZ-S the AF zooms I use are extremely easy to use and, in my opinion, add to street shooting since they allow me to approach some subjects even closer than I could with a prime without getting into their personal space. I will admit, however, that that big, 77mm eye pointed at someone can be somewhat intimidating and hard to disguise. I'm heading to Italy in two weeks and plan on taking nothing by my 28-70 and 20-35. I'll see what happens. As to enlargement size, I regularly go to 11x14 and frequently 16x20 and am very pleased with what I get in return. Poster size or larger? That's when I start thinking view camera and then, of course, primes are the only way to go (unless I've missed the fact that Rodenstock now makes a great zoom with a Copal shutter). Photo manipulation? Don't do it, never have, never will. (Oops! Never say never. I'm real interested in that new Canon FS4000US scanner BH is selling for $874 right now). As to the varifocal issue, with today's AF capabilities even on the most basic cameras, the time it takes to compose, focus, zoom, re-focus with a zoom lens generally should always be far faster than compose, focus, CHANGE LENS, re-compose, re-focus with a prime. However, since speed isn't the real issue here, you are correct in your definition of a true zoom lens and the accompanying issue of having to re-focus at varying focal lengths. I can't speak for others but with my various Tokina's this hasn't been a problem since they respond extremely fast, especially on the MZ-S. WELL, since it appears that I'm the only one on this end of the pool, I guess it's time for me and my zooms to slink off into the corner and play another game of FreeCell. Dave BTW, Shel - I don't care what anybody says, I don't think you look anything like Hannibal Lecter. I was thinking more along the lines of Abby Hoffman, but, of course, that's just my opinion! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Well, all this prime v zoom stuff is useless without consideration of the type of photography that's involved. For fast street shooting, a prime wins. For static subjects it can be argued that either is fine. For portraits a zoom can be a wonderful tool. And then we have to consider how the final photo ends up. Will it be a smallish family snap sitting in a 5x7 frame on someone's desk, or will the photo be used in an exhibition at a size large enough to make any small error or quality difference quite noticeable, or will the photographer manipulate the hell out of the negative with photo editing software. Unlike David, I do not believe that a zoom will match a prime in quality except, perhaps, at certain focal lengths or apertures, but certainly not over the entire range. And then, let's define what a zoom lens is. My understanding is that when focused one can use the full range of focal lengths without having to refocus. That's a true zoom. Most zoom lenses on the market these days are variable focal length lenses, and are extremely slow to use because when moving from one focal length to another, the lens must be refocused in order to maintain critical sharpness. Maintaining sharpness and critical focus with a heavy, slow lens is, for most people, a difficult task - certainly not as easy as with a smaller, lighter, faster, prime lens. So, whether one is better than the other really depends on many variables. David Hatfield wrote: You may be right on the BW issue. I don't shoot that much 35mm BW though I do shoot some and haven't noticed any particularly glaring problems with the various 400 speed BW films I shoot with my zooms. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise
Good luck on your choice Bruce. Whichever lens you choose I will say that I use the 20-35 far less than the 28-70. Whichever lens you go with you're looking at $500-600. That's no small change to invest in a lens that might just set in your bag the majority of the time. I'm going to Italy in a couple of weeks and will be taking the 20-35 and the 28-70 with me. When I get back, if you haven't made up your mind by then, I'll drop you a line and let you know how much use I got out of both lenses. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Dave, Thanks for your input and comments on this lens. There aren't that many choices in this type of lens for the Pentax shooter. I suspect I have two quandries, the Pentax vs. Tokina (speed and flare issues) and zoom vs. prime. I have some thinking and evaluation to do to see if I would actually use the zoom if I got it. Thanks, Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: David Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Bruce, I've been very pleased with the lens so far. I've only had it about 4 months so I haven't had a great deal of time to utilize it under extreme situations. Close focusing will get you down to about 1.5 feet, though, at the focal range this lens provides that's more than adequate in the situations I've encountered. Yes, flare can be an issue, just like it is with the 28-70, but I don't see it as overly exaggerated on this or any of my Tokina lenses. Conscientious use of the provided lens hoods will eliminate the flare in all but the most extreme cases. I'm extremely pleased with the results I get. If you're not familiar with it you might want to go to http://www.photographyreview.com/defaultcrx.aspx; you'll find 10 other user reviews listed for this lens. Don't be fooled by the 3.9 out of 5 rating it receives, though. Read the reviews and you'll find that, except for a couple of disgruntled individuals who submarine the lens, those who have it and use it are very pleased with its performance. You'll also find good reviews of the Pentax SMCP-FA 20-35 f4.0 which is, I assume, the lens you're comparing this with. Frankly, my decision to go with the Tokina came down to two factors the larger f2.8 aperture and the consistent 77mm filter size that allows me to purchase one set of filters to use on all three of my Tokina lenses. Hope this helps a little. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Dave, Since you have one of the lenses I was looking at, I would be curious how you feel about the ATX 20-35 f2.8. How is the close focusing, distortion and flare. My ATX 28-70 Pro II does *not* focus close and I really have to watch the flare. I was trying to compare the Tokina to the Pentax. Thanks for your input. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: David Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Bruce, I think it's great that in this, like in most things in life, people can say the same thing while approaching it from totally different angles (kind of like photography, huh?). If you learn the basics - learn to see; learn to think; learn to plan; be ready for the unexpected; etc. - then equipment generally becomes inconsequential apart from what you're comfortable with. I've used zooms all my photographic life (25+ years) even when they were terrible! I've grown accustomed to their feel and style. Who knows, some day I might pick up that LX I was talking about a few days back, get a good prime and start learning all over! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Dave, I'm not arguing your points at all. I am not concerned about the optical quality specifically. It has more to do with me. Years ago, I moved from a Practica screw mount match needle body to a Canon A-1 (quite a jump). While the body was quite capable, I found that it wasn't my style. I almost quit taking pictures. I finally sold it and got an Olympus OM-1 with 50mm lens. I think the point has more to do with usage and style rather than the ability of a zoom or prime to produce a great image. I'm with Shel where I find that I personally work better with a prime than a zoom. Not that I couldn't
RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise
I've learned something new, today, Bob - I HATE prune juice! I'm envious of your 4x5 capabilities. I tried medium format for a while but didn't find that it offered that much over 35 for the type shooting I do. I would like to try some 4x5 stuff but have been reluctant to invest the $$$ needed to get started. I like your compromise of the Horseman and may give that some consideration as time goes by, but, at my age, of course, there may not be much time :)! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Dave, Know that you have had your prune juice, I should mention that I have always tried to accomplish with 35mm what I would expect in medium format. Likewise, in medium format what I would expect in large format. I once had all and, speaking of intoxicating, nothing matches a fine-grained 4X5 negative. I have since cooled down and have a Horseman VHR that I use for medium format. It offers the flexibility of a view and ease as a range-finder. Sorry, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Hatfield Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise From David Hatfield I don't know, Bruce (et. al.). Seems to me that zooms are finding their own spot in today's photographic world. Years ago the argument for using primes centered on the fact that they were generally a higher quality lens that what you could find in even the highest priced zooms. I don't believe that to be the case anymore. Today's technology and production have brought zoom quality to a point that, if placed side by side, few if any could pick out shots made with primes as opposed to those made with zooms even at the highest magnification. There is some truth to the above. Film for 35mm point and shoot cameras dominate the consumer film market. As a result, the emulsions that were prominent prior the New Era are gone. The above would not apply in the case of Kodachrome 25 and Pamatomic X. Older members of the list will recall the day that Kodachrome 25 was the prominent film found at all grocery store checkouts and the only colour film was Kodacolor 100 for 126. The difference between a zoom and prime are noticeable when using BW. The eye is easily intoxicated by the colour where it is the sharpness in a BW Image. Bob -Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Certainly an interesting observation. I have been somewhat resistant to using zooms much for fear of the same thing happening to me. I really only have one zoom that I take now (Tokina 28-70 f:2.8) and find that I don't want it to be the default lens. But for how things fit in the bag, it is easiest to leave on the body. There are a few cases where the zoom is handy - basically when the subject keeps running around (kids, soccer, birthday party). Other than that I have tried to stick with the primes. I have been toying with getting a wide zoom, but your post gives me something to think about. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Hi everybody, Wanta start a discussion about zooms vs. primes? :-) I was out meandering around yesterday looking for autumn fall color shots and the thought occurred to me that my prime lenses have seen too little use lately. I usually have a zoom attached as the default lens... why? Convenience maybe, or maybe I'm afraid I'll miss a shot because I had a 28mm lens on-body when I needed a 200mm. When I do use a prime lens, I immediately take it off and put the zoom back on, in part, because the zoom is FAT and is harder to get in/out the lens pocket of the camera bag. I was blinded by a flash of insight and did some self-examination. Yes, I AM A PITIFUL EXAMPLE OF THE SPECIES, A ROTTEN HUSBAND AND BAD FATHER! Those things aside, I started thinking about how I have been shooting with a zoom and realized how hindering to creativity it seems to be for me. Even though the 28-200 does wide angle, when was the last time I consciously thought about using it that way. Or composed with it purposely at 28mm? I can't remember. What's happening is when I see a scene I consider shooting, I adjust the focal length [FL] :-) until I'm happy with what
RE: ZX series eyecups
John, Don't know what you consider a kings ransom but BH carries the eyecups for $22.50 each (prince's ransom, maybe?). As to your customer service issues - Hear, Hear!! I agree totally! On occasion it seems as though some camera stores put in their job requirements, Must be capable of rudeness at a moments notice. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John A. Hufnagel Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ZX series eyecups Well... I finally lost my *^#@ eyecup from my ZX-5n, at a camera store (a lousy one at that... I'll go there later.) Can someone point me to a source of replacements that don't cost a kings ransom? I'll probably wind up getting 2 or 3, just in case. Thanks. soap box Now my camera store rant. You would have thought that a camera store would want to attract your business... But not in this case it seems. My nomination of Worst Store Of The Week goes to Beach Camera of Maine in Greenbrook, NJ. I went in there with my camera, which I bought from them, to gather some more data on this lens compatibility problem I'm having. I've never met a more rude or discourteous persons with regards to customers in general... Not to mention he put my FA50mm f/1.4 in his cabinet by mistake and almost didn't want to return it to me! I wanted to try and give the my business as they have a decent selection of used glass there and are local (support the local guys), but I'll NEVER go back there again. Someone forgot what customer service is all about over there. /soap box -- John - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots
So, Bob, We take it you' re trauma ward physician that specializes in gorilla attacks and you're running a little low on business at the moment? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Walkden Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 1:59 PM To: Cotty Subject: Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots Hi, if it's a gorilla, especially a big one with a grey hairy back, stand as tall as you can, stare it right in the eye and beat your chest as loudly as you can. Calms them down no end! --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday, October 28, 2001, 7:43:05 PM, you wrote: I found, however, that if I did not make eye contact with an animal and if I acted as if I was going to walk by them, If it's a cat, squint repeatedly, and look away a few times. This makes them feel less threatened :-) P, - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX on eBay -- worth buying?
Thanks, Shel! You and William in your first two responses to my question have given me just the incentive I needed to wait a while. I do think an LX will be somewhere in my future since I do enjoy the tactile experience of a manual camera, but probably not at the moment. When I decide to take the plunge, I'll drop you a line. Thanks again! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LX on eBay -- worth buying? David ... The question is for what purpose would you use the LX? Will it serve you well? Have you ever held and shot with an LX? If not, before spending $$$ on as ~AS-IS~ camera, which happens to be an early model, you might want to think about getting your hands on one. The LX will add nothing to your photography except a unique metering system which has value in limited circumstances, and some nice (and useful finders, depending on what you shoot) and screens. It will, however, add immeasurably to your enjoyment of photography ~IF~ you appreciate its feel, build quality, and manual focus cameras and lenses. I'd suggest you find an LX and use it for a while, and then, if you like it, buy a newer model, with a serial number above 535. It won't cost you that much more having all the latest LX features would be a bonus. There are many questions that you should ask about any used LX that you're considering. I'd be happy to send you a list if you'd like. David Hatfield wrote: So here's my question [...] After watching this discussion list for a few months now and hearing the various opinions thrown about regarding the LX, I'm wondering if you LXr's out there could give me a few short reasons why this might be a good investment. I'm currently using the MZ-S (absolutely LOVE IT having replaced my PZ-1P with it!) and am wondering if this would really add that much to my bag to warrant the $440+ expense that winning this auction would require. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX on eBay -- worth buying?
Thanks, David! Didn't know this was a fellow PDML'r or I would have just asked for info direct. I think I'm going to take Shel's advice, though, and wait until I have a chance to get my hands on an LX to try out for a while before making a purchase. I've never had the opportunity to actually use the LX so before investing $400+ I think I need to get some in hand experience to see if it's something I really want to invest in or if it would just become a neat, but expensive, paper weight in my office. As to the vision thing - I hear and understand! At 52 my attitude is, Who cares about depth of field, does it have a good range of diopter adjustments in the viewfinder? Anyway, thanks and good luck on this and further auctions! Dave Hatfield (parson on eBay) PS this might also be a good list to have from PDML members - what's your user ID if you use eBay so we can help each other out? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David P. Chernicoff Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LX on eBay -- worth buying? The LX listed on ebay is mine. I've decided to get rid of all of my manual focus bodies (just keeping a PZ1 and PZ1p) because I've discovered what looks in focus to me often isn't (function of aging and already bad vision). I don't have the problem with focus when I wear contact lenses, just when I wear glasses (which is 95% of the time). I may end up selling those bodies too and just go with an MZ-S and my digital stuff. That being said, I will be putting a complete LX kit (body, multiple MF lenses, AF280 flash, winder, and other LX specific accessories) up for auction this weekend. The LX body in that auction was given a thorough rebuild (not just a CLA) by Pentax USA to the most recent set of LX standards (which was pretty expensive) in February of 2001. I don't want to discourage you from bidding on this auction, and the price for the package I list this weekend will be pretty steep (if it doesn't go as a package I will part it out). But I just wanted to keep a fellow PDMLer in the loop. David At 11:14 AM 10/25/2001 -0500, David Hatfield wrote: So here's my question there's this nice little LX with a 50mm f 1.4 lens on eBay right now ( http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1287611152 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1287611152 ) with about 2 hours left to bid. After watching this discussion list for a few months now and hearing the various opinions thrown about regarding the LX, I 'm wondering if you LXr's out there could give me a few short reasons why this might be a good investment. I'm currently using the MZ-S (absolutely LOVE IT having replaced my PZ-1P with it!) and am wondering if this would really add that much to my bag to warrant the $440+ expense that winning this auction would require. OK you've got two hours to convince me (or outbid me!). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cheating
Gabor, I've always wanted to hear from someone who actually used a Kiev88 and get their opinion since I have frequently considered purchasing one. I've often heard, though, of serious reliability issues with them and wanted to get the input of someone with hands-on experience. I'd love to have your opinion. Since this is considerably OT for this list if you want to reply off list just write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sas Gabor Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheating Hi, On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Any of you all use equipment other than Pentax at times? I use: - Kiev88 with 3.5/45, 2.8/80 and 2.8/150. (also have a 4.5/300 and 3.5/65, for sale) - Ricoh 500GX rangefinder - the family's Canon Prima Mini II Gabor - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Funny OT: Canon ad
Gee, and all this time I thought poorly focused, poorly composed, poorly lit pictures screamed amateur! If I had only known!! Dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-s
Mark, If you can cancel your order with Ritz you might want to check the following address http://www.netphotostore.com/index.php?expand=2256 Ritz's price is $279 for the flash with NetPhoto offering it at $209. It's still order it and we'll ship it to you when it comes in but it is about $70 cheaper allowing for shipping costs. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Cassino Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-s I can only say that I've used my Mz-S quite a bit, and have no problems to report. I very often shoot with the 2 second mirror pre-fire, and that's caused no problems. As for film jaming on re-wind - that has not happened on my Mz-S but I have had it happen a couple of times with my Pz-1p, but these were rolls that had been partially used, re-wound, and then re-loaded and advanced to their former setting. I think that the film itself may jam under some circumstances. Now - if only I could find an AF360FTZ to have flash compensation I'd be really happy. (I have one on order with Ritz camera, but apparently they cannot get them from Pentax.) - MCC At 09:23 PM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote: I have decided to take the plunge and trade in my Z1p and MZ5n for the MZ-s. Having heard about overlapping frames and the rewind giving up and LCD going wonkers when using 2 sec mlu, I am just a little bit reluctant, have any of you heard of corrective measures that Pentax has undertaken to solve these problems? Thanking you all in advance Nicolas Colarusso Montreal, Canada. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Great Deal on a 67 kit, Hurry
Too late! It's gone. Wish it had been me! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Great Deal on a 67 kit, Hurry Mark Dalal wrote: Hey Folks, If you've wanted a 67, you can't pass this one up: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1281821351 Especially with that 28mm. What up with your other email? tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PZ-1P for sale
If anybodys interested I have a like new PZ-1P for sale on eBay right now. If youd like to see it go to http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1280421797 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1280421797 or do a seller search for parson. Contact me for more info. Dave Hatfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
