Re: Capacity of a 128 mbyte card.
If you use jpg the file sizes will vary. It is impossible to give a precise answer. DagT På 23. jun. 2005 kl. 21.12 skrev Don Williams: Hi Shel, I am talking about the maximum sized images of the highest quality only -- not images of different sizes. The camera itself, without a card, will only hold two -- and it has ~9 mbytes of internal memory. So how many 5.1 megapixel images will a 128 mbyte card hold? Alternatively, how big is an Optio 5.1 megabit image at the best resolution? How are you anyway? I haven't been here for a long time. I'm now concentrating on microscopy and I'm using the Wild MPS 51 35mm and a modified webcam. The Pentaxes are in the cupboard. Best, D Shel Belinkoff wrote: According to quick calculation - since each image may be a little different in size - between 60 and 70 Shel [Original Message] From: Don Williams How many of the best quality images (highest possible resolution) from the 5.1 megapixel Pentax Optio S5Z can be saved on a 128 mbyte SD card? -- Dr E D F Williams ___ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Photomicro Link -- 18 05 2005
Re: RE: Signing off for a while
> fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > http://www.public.asu.edu/~mharp/viking_kittens/VikingKitten.htm > > > > They aren't proper Viking kittens. They aren't pink (=scary) enough. They are if you are a mouse. DagT
Re: What Were You Trying to Say?
Of course you are saying something. You show your personal selection of the world that passes by. You may not be able to put it into words, but the message is there. This is what I choose to show you, this is what I think is worth showing. DagT Den 27. jun. 2006 kl. 18.55 skrev frank theriault: > Boris' recent PESO (or was it a PAW?) featured at least two questions > along the lines of the above subject line. > > Which got me to thinking: What difference does it make? I very often > take photos which, ~at the time I take them~, I have no idea "what I'm > trying to say". I just take them, look at them later, and if I like > them, I print them. > > Is that wrong? > > Why does no one ask that question when they see a gorgeous photo of an > equally gorgeous sunset? What does a sunset have to "say" (except > perhaps, "isn't this beautiful")? > > I'm not being critical of Boris' two questioners, or in any way > implying that they ought not to have asked the questions, I just don't > understand why I see it asked so often with regard to some > photographs. > > cheers, > frank > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What Were You Trying to Say?
Of course. Sometime words can´t give the answer, but that is what they are asking for. Remember that words are quantified, you have a fairly limited set of words to describe each emotion, while photos are continuous with thousands of nuances for each emotion, colour or tone of grey. Try to describe "grey". Let´s see, you´ve got black, white, grey, dark grey, light grey, a little more light than dark grey, slightly grey white, etc. You get problems with grey, then what about stories, emotions. Sometimes, when words get clumsy, pictures are great. DagT (who is very clumsy in a foreign language) Den 30. jun. 2006 kl. 23.07 skrev frank theriault: > Well, of course I'm saying something with a photograph. Sometimes I > communicate better or more effectively that way than in other ways - > that's the whole point, right? > > What irks me, is someone asking me what I'm trying to say. > > It's in the photograph. That's what the photograph is for: to > communicate something that's otherwise difficult to simply communicate > in few words - if at all. > > So chances are if someone asks me what I'm trying to say, I honestly > can't answer them. > > cheers, > frank > > On 6/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In a message dated 6/28/2006 9:24:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> Bingo! >> >> Very well put. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> >> = >> Ditto. Agree with the above and the below. >> >> Marnie aka Doe >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: What Were You Trying to Say? >> >> >>> Of course you are saying something. You show your personal >>> selection >>> of the world that passes by. You may not be able to put it into >>> words, but the message is there. This is what I choose to show you, >>> this is what I think is worth showing. >>> >>> DagT >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
A weird little story of Copyright
Just to keep your minds off politics .-) During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had the TV on (and sound off), just in case there was a weather forecast. Suddenly something known caught my attention on the TV. In a program about some opera seminar in western Norway a singer was standing in front of a painting, and the painting was identical to one of my photographs. After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the picture down and claimed that he was a not a very good painter and therefore his painting was not a copy of my picture. He said that he would sell it if someone wanted it and that I could by it if I wanted to. Now the story has been twice in the local radio station and will be in the local newspaper tomorrow. But since I live in a different part of the country I have only seen the references on Internet. One of the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it has been a busy week... here´s a link with where you can see the pictures: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.708983 DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.16 skrev Charles Robinson:
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote:
>
>> Just to keep your minds off politics .-)
>>
>
>> After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at
>> www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had
>> downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the picture
>> down and claimed that he was a not a very good painter and therefore
>> his painting was not a copy of my picture. He said that he would
>> sell it if someone wanted it and that I could by it if I wanted to.
>>
>
> My opinion: If the artist is holding onto the painting for himself
> ("personal use"???), then "no harm, no foul". But if he is intending
> to SELL it, you are entitled to a large share, if not ALL of the
> money - since it is really your image.
That was my first reaction too, and I said that if it was sold the
price should be given to the kids. The Copyright issue is one thing,
he is selling a painting showing people who may be recognized, and
without asking them.
Now I´ve just decided that the picture is to be destroyed. Otherwise
it may be resold some day.
> Good luck!
Thanks!
DagT
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Re: A weird little story of Copyright
True, it was pure luck that I discovered it. That is why have reacted, when it is discover the reactions should be sufficiently hard to discourage others from doing the same. DagT Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.27 skrev Tom C: > That being said... it's rather absurd to think that anyone can do > that with anyone's work at any time and no harm is done, except > when the owner of the original image accidentally finds out! > > Tom C. > > >> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: pdml@pdml.net >> Subject: RE: A weird little story of Copyright >> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:22:05 -0600 >> >> He may not have been a very good painter but he's good enough to >> make it obvious that it's a copy of your work. I hope you at >> least get some degree of compensation without too much acrimony. >> For him to offer to sell YOU a painting he made after >> surrepticiously using your picture as the basis, is plain backwards. >> >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: A weird little story of Copyright >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:08:03 +0200 >>> >>> Just to keep your minds off politics .-) >>> >>> During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had >>> the TV >>> on (and sound off), just in case there was a weather forecast. >>> Suddenly something known caught my attention on the TV. In a >>> program >>> about some opera seminar in western Norway a singer was standing in >>> front of a painting, and the painting was identical to one of my >>> photographs. >>> >>> After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at >>> www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had >>> downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the >>> picture >>> down and claimed that he was a not a very good painter and therefore >>> his painting was not a copy of my picture. He said that he would >>> sell it if someone wanted it and that I could by it if I wanted to. >>> >>> Now the story has been twice in the local radio station and will be >>> in the local newspaper tomorrow. But since I live in a different >>> part >>> of the country I have only seen the references on Internet. One of >>> the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that >>> the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it >>> has been a busy week... >>> >>> here´s a link with where you can see the pictures: >>> http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.708983 >>> >>> DagT >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: When we get out new K10D's in the fall...
DNG Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 20.34 skrev Mark Roberts: > We won't have to update our RAW conversion software :) > > -- > Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > 412-687-2835 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 20.31 skrev mike wilson:
> DagT wrote:
>
>> Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.16 skrev Charles Robinson:
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just to keep your minds off politics .-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>> After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at
>>>> www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had
>>>> downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the
>>>> picture
>>>> down and claimed that he was a not a very good painter and
>>>> therefore
>>>> his painting was not a copy of my picture. He said that he would
>>>> sell it if someone wanted it and that I could by it if I wanted to.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My opinion: If the artist is holding onto the painting for himself
>>> ("personal use"???), then "no harm, no foul". But if he is
>>> intending
>>> to SELL it, you are entitled to a large share, if not ALL of the
>>> money - since it is really your image.
>>
>>
>> That was my first reaction too, and I said that if it was sold the
>> price should be given to the kids. The Copyright issue is one thing,
>> he is selling a painting showing people who may be recognized, and
>> without asking them.
>>
>> Now I´ve just decided that the picture is to be destroyed. Otherwise
>> it may be resold some day.
>
> But the photograph has been posted on the internet. I don't think you
> have much chance with that argument.
Yes I do. I usually get around 200 visitors to each picture, that is
less than I would have got in a popular gallery. There is, legally,
no different between making it available on the net or in a gallery.
According to Norwegian law (and Danish as well as probably Swedish
and german etc) I keep the right to control the use of my picture
even after it has been published.
The law gives me control over any sales of my picture and versions of
it in other techniques, like drawings and paintings.
DagT
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Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 03.11 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:13:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > One of > the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that > the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it > has been a busy week... > > here´s a link with where you can see the pictures: > http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.708983 > > DagT > = > Whoa. He didn't change it at all, did he? > > And your photo is so much better. > > Good luck on this, Dag. > > Maybe you can look at it as imitation is the most sincere from of > flattery. > Look at it that way, that is, before you win. I know, I should, except that it annoys me that it is one of his arguments. He claims that he did ask a photographer once who said that well, of course, it is an honor. I told him that sure, it would have been an honor to be asked. (but with this picture I would not have allowed it). DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Hah! I can do wonders with an axe .-) Even more fun: Send three kids with paint into the gallery and go for a walk. Just imagine the two boys in the painting coming into the gallery and start painting on their own picture. DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 12.29 skrev Jostein Øksne: > Sounds like fun. > Hard to imagine Dag doing it, though...:-) > > Jostein > > > On 7/14/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the >>> painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >>> sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his >>> action in writing. >> >> If it was me I'd vandalise the painting and accept a court case. >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> Cotty >> >> >> ___/\__ >> || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche >> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com >> _ >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 11.36 skrev Cotty: > On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the >> painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >> sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his >> action in writing. > > If it was me I'd vandalise the painting and accept a court case. It would have been tempting if it was closer, but I don´t have the time to travel 500km just to vandalize a painting .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: So. Whos getting the K10d right away or are we waiting.
I had a talk with the Pentax sales rep. in Norway yesterday and he showed me some information about this camera (sorry, cant tell you .-). It seems that everything is not clear yet, but from what I ´ve seen and heard I´ll buy one as soon as I have the money. DagT PS: My 21mm is on its way to Norway. I´ll get it next week. Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 18.36 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > The istD came out and every one balked or held out. > Then WW bought one and > gave a favorable review. Then, > slowly alot of PDMLers came over to digital(i already had my D1 at > this time). > > Now that we have seen the istD/DS/DS2/DL will we be waiting to see > if there are problems, > or will we dive in head first when > they hit the stores. > > I for one will wait a bit. Still smarting from the D2H header i > made.:-) but i'm sure i;ll > ge one just for the is. > > Just curious is all. > > Dave > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
That was a Patent issue. Polaroid had some very general patents. DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 19.07 skrev William Robb: > > - Original Message - > From: "graywolf" > Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright > > > That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries > protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The > painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries derivative > works are not allow without permission, in others they are. Even the > courts do not seem to understand the copyright laws. It is clear that > copyright (USA) does not protect ideas, only the results of the ideas, > but in some cases the courts have ruled as if the idea is protected. I > have no idea what the specific laws say in your country. > > Interstingly, and a bit closer to home, Eastman Kodak managed to > run afoul > of Polaroid's instant print process, not because they copied the > technology > (they didn't), but because the court agreed that Polaroid had claim > on the > instant print concept. > It cost Kodak close to a billion dollars in late 1980's US currency. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: So. Whos getting the K10d right away or are we waiting.
Sure, but I´m sure that someone will start complaining about something right away .-) DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 20.09 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I'll buy right away. I think the K100D will be enough of a test bed > that we can expect a bug-free camera. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> The istD came out and every one balked or held out. >> Then WW >> bought one and >> gave a favorable review. Then, >> slowly alot of PDMLers came over to digital(i already had my D1 at >> this time). >> >> Now that we have seen the istD/DS/DS2/DL will we be waiting to see >> if there are >> problems, >> or will we dive in head first when >> they hit the stores. >> >> I for one will wait a bit. Still smarting from the D2H header i >> made.:-) but i'm >> sure i;ll >> ge one just for the is. >> >> Just curious is all. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Sounds like the typical tabloid version of a patent, In reality I suspect that the claims are more specific .-) DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 20.47 skrev P. J. Alling: > A friend of mine who did some wading into the shallow end of the > Polaroid patents, came the conclusion that Polaroid had patented the > process of osmosis, which was the basis for their claim. He was > astounded that Polaroid won the case. > > DagT wrote: > >> That was a Patent issue. Polaroid had some very general patents. >> >> DagT >> >> Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 19.07 skrev William Robb: >> >> >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "graywolf" >>> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >>> >>> >>> That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries >>> protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The >>> painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries derivative >>> works are not allow without permission, in others they are. Even the >>> courts do not seem to understand the copyright laws. It is clear >>> that >>> copyright (USA) does not protect ideas, only the results of the >>> ideas, >>> but in some cases the courts have ruled as if the idea is >>> protected. I >>> have no idea what the specific laws say in your country. >>> >>> Interstingly, and a bit closer to home, Eastman Kodak managed to >>> run afoul >>> of Polaroid's instant print process, not because they copied the >>> technology >>> (they didn't), but because the court agreed that Polaroid had claim >>> on the >>> instant print concept. >>> It cost Kodak close to a billion dollars in late 1980's US currency. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
.-) Well, in Europe the settlements from cases like this are very much dependent on the loss the copyright owner has been subject to. I haven´t lost much more than a few days of frustration during my holidays, so it wouldn´t amount to much. I thought about your "Bad taste" picture and wondered if I should send him a copy of my picture with the same treatment that your picture had, but I decided against it DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 21.53 skrev Jens Bladt: > Interesting story, Dag. So, sue him! And perhps the TV station. Or > at least > get a setlemnet. Theres realy no harm done, but of course the > painter should > pay you, like buying a license. > > > PS: Yet annother relation between phptpgraphy and painting ;-) > > Regards > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af > DagT > Sendt: 13. juli 2006 18:08 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: A weird little story of Copyright > > > Just to keep your minds off politics .-) > > During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had the TV > on (and sound off), just in case there was a weather forecast. > Suddenly something known caught my attention on the TV. In a program > about some opera seminar in western Norway a singer was standing in > front of a painting, and the painting was identical to one of my > photographs. > > After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at > www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had > downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the picture > down and claimed that he was a not a very good painter and therefore > his painting was not a copy of my picture. He said that he would > sell it if someone wanted it and that I could by it if I wanted to. > > Now the story has been twice in the local radio station and will be > in the local newspaper tomorrow. But since I live in a different part > of the country I have only seen the references on Internet. One of > the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that > the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it > has been a busy week... > > here´s a link with where you can see the pictures: > http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.708983 > > DagT > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/387 - Release Date: > 07/12/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: > 07/13/2006 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Great, maybe you can confirm the news from Sunnmørsposten that he has removed the picture from the Gallery? I´ll be away from Internet a few days now (how will I survive? .-) but I would appreciate it. You can send it off list. And by the way, while there you should have a look at Eirik Holmøyviks pictures at the same gallery. (And here: http:// www.luguber.net ) DagT Den 15. jul. 2006 kl. 01.34 skrev Tim Øsleby: > I've been very busy working, so I didn't see this before. You don't > have to > go this far Dag. I live 500 meters away from the gallery ;-) > > I can imagine the headlines in the local paper. Wuha > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> DagT >> Sent: 14. juli 2006 13:18 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >> >> >> Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 11.36 skrev Cotty: >> >>> On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>>> That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the >>>> painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >>>> sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his >>>> action in writing. >>> >>> If it was me I'd vandalise the painting and accept a court case. >> >> It would have been tempting if it was closer, but I don´t have the >> time to travel 500km just to vandalize a painting .-) >> >> DagT >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A weird little story of Copyright
Wow, thanks! I won! .-) I haven´t met Eirik in person yet, but yes, he seems like a nice guy and by the way: He is working with copyright issues. DagT Den 15. jul. 2006 kl. 11.58 skrev Tim Øsleby: > Just been at the gallery. The painting is gone :-) > > And Eiriks pictures are very good. He is a gentleman to. I used to > work with > the guy. Not a photo related job, a regular job. > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> DagT >> Sent: 15. juli 2006 11:28 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >> >> Great, maybe you can confirm the news from Sunnmørsposten that he has >> removed the picture from the Gallery? >> >> I´ll be away from Internet a few days now (how will I survive? .-) >> but I would appreciate it. You can send it off list. >> >> And by the way, while there you should have a look at Eirik >> Holmøyviks pictures at the same gallery. (And here: http:// >> www.luguber.net ) >> >> DagT >> >> Den 15. jul. 2006 kl. 01.34 skrev Tim Øsleby: >> >>> I've been very busy working, so I didn't see this before. You don't >>> have to >>> go this far Dag. I live 500 meters away from the gallery ;-) >>> >>> I can imagine the headlines in the local paper. Wuha >>> >>> >>> Tim >>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >>> >>> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds >>> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> DagT >>>> Sent: 14. juli 2006 13:18 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >>>> >>>> >>>> Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 11.36 skrev Cotty: >>>> >>>>> On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: >>>>> >>>>>> That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you >>>>>> get the >>>>>> painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >>>>>> sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his >>>>>> action in writing. >>>>> >>>>> If it was me I'd vandalise the painting and accept a court case. >>>> >>>> It would have been tempting if it was closer, but I don´t have the >>>> time to travel 500km just to vandalize a painting .-) >>>> >>>> DagT >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
H, Congratulations. Pentax called me today, it has arrived. I ´ll get it tomorrow. Now I´m really looking forward to it .-) DagT Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 14.24 skrev Jan van Wijk: > Just got this one in today. > > All I can say it is a real limitted, same style, > same look and feel, and comes with the > same type of leather pouch. > > It is much less of a 'pancake' than the 40mm is, > actually resembles the 43 limitted more. > > Hood and cap are perfect too, the hood > uses some kind of smart bayonet mount :-) > > Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: > > http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php > > > Regards, JvW > > > -- > Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Lens Test: DA 21 vs. FA 20
I´m tired of all of this talk about sharpness. What about vignetting and distortion. The latter is the reason why i´m not very happy with my A20mm. DagT Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 18.49 skrev Joseph Tainter: > My DA 21 F3.2 Limited arrived yesterday, so last evening I went out to > test it against the FA 20 F2.8. I followed my usual protocol: > > Subject was a mud-brick wall, with cracks and many small rocks. > Tripod. > Distance for the DA 21 was about 1 meter. For the FA 20 I brought the > tripod closer by a few cm. > All apertures tested from wide open through F16. > All photos processed the same in PS. > All comparisons done at Actual Pixels. > > My tests are for sharpness across the field. Obviously this test > doesn't > allow for evaluation of bokeh. Both lenses seem well corrected for > distortion. > > My usual caveat: I conduct these tests for myself. I post them as a > public service in case anyone else finds them useful. If you don't > find > the test useful, you are free to ignore it. > > Wide open (DA 21 @ F3.2, FA 20 @ F2.8): > The FA 20 is very slightly sharper across the field. Emphasis on > "slightly." > > F4: > The FA 20 seems a bit sharper in the center. The lenses are about > equal > at the edges and in the corners. > > F5.6: > The FA 20 seems a bit sharper in the center and in the corners. The > lenses are about equal at the edges. > > F8: > The DA 21 is just slightly better in the center and in the corners. > The > FA 20 seemed a bit better at the edges. > > F11: > The DA 21 is a bit better in the center and at the edges. The FA 20 > seems slightly sharper in the corners. > > F16: > The DA 21 was slightly better across the field. > > The bottom line is that these two lenses are essentially equal in > sharpness. The FA 20 has a slight edge from wide open through F5.6. > From > F8 through F16 the DA 21 has a slight edge. But you have to go to > extreme enlargement to see these differences. At more moderate > enlargement one would have a hard time telling these lenses apart. > > Joe > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 23.09 skrev frank theriault: > On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of >> speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. >> Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices. > > Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a Pentax digital > body would make a great package for street shooting, both in terms of > total compactness and focal length. For that purpose, I rarely shoot > much wider open then f4.0 anyway, usually much smaller. f3.2 would > suite me just fine for most of my purposes. I´m buying the 21 because of its size, and because I hope it is better with respect to distortion. I would love to have a 20mm 2.0, but that is not a possibility right now (Sigma has far too much quality variation for me to put any money close to it). Also, a limited lens like that will be very expensive. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Jump
Just a summer picture: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689 *istD and DA 14mm 2.8 DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
.-) That was a nicely phrased warning. I think something like "Warning: naked child" would only make things worse for those who DID look. OK, maybe I should have warned you, sorry about that. It´s just that the thought didn´t occure to me. I´ve seen naked children running around in many parts of the world, and in many cultures. I think the US is the only place were it can get you into trouble. In principle I think too much self censoring in cases like this is to accept the US rules in the rest of the world. It is a kind of cultural imperialism. This is an international list. Does that mean that we should follow all the cultural dependent taboos in each country, or that the users of this list should do as they do when they travel abroad and just accept that the rules are different here? On the other hand we do not want friends on the list to get into trouble. That is how the self censoring works. Catch 22. In my view this is just an innocent child and if someone manages to thinks anything perverted in relation to it the problem is in their minds. And thanks for the comments! DagT Den 19. jul. 2006 kl. 01.42 skrev Paul Stenquist: > I agree that it's a beautiful photo of an innocent child. But that > being said, I don't want to lose my job. So a warning would be nice. > "Not Office Friendly" is a common and effective one. > Paul > On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Bob W wrote: > >> Well, you know what, the more you accept their view of things the >> more >> they'll impose it on you. >> >> It's a beautiful, innocent picture of a kid having fun, and we should >> all celebrate and enjoy that - there's so little of it left in the >> world. >> >> Anyone who thinks otherwise is a twisted pervert and should go screw >> themselves rather than waste all our time with their mean little >> minds. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Bob >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Tom C >>> Sent: 18 July 2006 23:51 >>> To: pdml@pdml.net >>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>> >>> Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in >>> trouble, especially >>> if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there >>> happens to be a >>> nosy corporate spy. >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >>>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100 >>>> >>>> Great photo! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bob >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of DagT >>>>> Sent: 18 July 2006 23:17 >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: PESO - Jump >>>>> >>>>> Just a summer picture: >>>>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689 >>>>> >>>>> *istD and DA 14mm 2.8 >>>>> >>>>> DagT >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 19. jul. 2006 kl. 06.38 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > Just a summer picture: > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689 > > *istD and DA 14mm 2.8 > > DagT > === > Gotta say my first reaction to this is that looks dangerous. Kept > looking for > the water. Didn't find any. > > Nice carefree stuff, but watch out -- it may turn into a painting. > > Marnie aka Doe > :-) Thanks Marnie! DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 06.16 skrev William Robb: > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith McGuinness" > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump > > > I stopped looking at anything from Dag ages ago because he is an > asshole in > this regard. > > William Robb And that, of course, is what you have to do. The responsibility is on your side, and as you never can know what is in the other end of an internet link you have to be extremely careful. Maybe I´ll put the text "Safe for William Robb and others" if I want you to have a look .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Good point .-) I never have the time to follow this list at work... DagT Den 19. jul. 2006 kl. 11.01 skrev David Savage: > Shouldn't you be working instead of browsing the PDML? > > > > Dave (at work) > > On 7/19/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I agree that it's a beautiful photo of an innocent child. But that >> being said, I don't want to lose my job. So a warning would be nice. >> "Not Office Friendly" is a common and effective one. >> Paul > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 06.05 skrev Keith McGuinness: > I am NOT saying that what you did is in anyway wrong but you've > got to remember that the LAWS in other countries might be > different, not only the customs. Well, that only brings a new problem. How much do we have to know about foreign law? How much does US citizens know about our law, and how much do we know about other countries? In relation to the Nikon Contest many years ago (so long that I may remember wrong) I think there was restriction in Japan against showing pubic hair. So shaved models got through. How was I supposed to know, or understand, that? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
I know Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 10.44 skrev P. J. Alling: > You can ask. > > DagT wrote: > >> Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 06.05 skrev Keith McGuinness: >> >> >> >>> I am NOT saying that what you did is in anyway wrong but you've >>> got to remember that the LAWS in other countries might be >>> different, not only the customs. >>> >>> >> >> Well, that only brings a new problem. How much do we have to know >> about foreign law? How much does US citizens know about our law, and >> how much do we know about other countries? >> >> In relation to the Nikon Contest many years ago (so long that I may >> remember wrong) I think there was restriction in Japan against >> showing pubic hair. So shaved models got through. How was I supposed >> to know, or understand, that? >> >> DagT >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 20.01 skrev Kenneth Waller: >> You can ask. > > Or you can listen to those pdml'ers from that particular country. > > Kenneth Waller So maybe we should have a poll. Everybody tells about the specific taboos in each country represented in PDML and how they should be avoided. Maybe we should think about countries where we would like to have members. From what I´ve heard the word "democracy" could cause problems in China, but... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 22.16 skrev Bob W: > The overwhelming majority of people everywhere love watching children > play and enjoy themselves, with or without clothes on, in the most > innocent way, and think nothing of it. However there is a small but > vocal group of people who are always ready to see wickedness and rush > in to cover things up. These are the people who equate nakedness with > sexuality, and who also think all sexuality is wrong. Unless the rest > of us stand up to them and say no to their stupidity they will win, > and they will impose their warped ideas on us again and again because > we let them. Just think of the Victorians covering up table legs. Well said. I find this fear of the extremists and the trouble they may cause a little scary. We let them scare us and we let them rule, just out of convenience. I don´t want anybody here to get into trouble but on the other hand I don´t like having to take specific steps, limiting my freedom to express myself, just in case some maniac on the other side of the world doesn´t like it. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 21.10 skrev frank theriault: > On 7/20/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As long as you know what to ask. >> >> Why would it occur to somebody in a culture where it is routine for >> parents to photograph their naked children on a beach to thing that >> other cultures might be uptight about it? >> >> Does anyone here, for example, consider the difficulties that >> might be >> caused to people in some Muslim countries if you show a woman with >> her >> face uncovered, perhaps driving a car? >> >> I'll bet nobody here has ever given it a single moment's thought, yet >> we expect other people to know all the peculiar nuances of our own >> moral and legal hang-ups. >> >> Publish and be damned! > > Well, here's my take on this, FWIW. > > Firstly, let me say that when I saw it, I thought it was a beautiful > photo of a lovely child enjoying himself on a summer's day. No > thoughts of a sexual nature crossed my mind, and neither did any red > flags go up telling me that anyone would be offended, shocked or in > any way titillated by the photo. Thanks! > Oh well. > > That being said, it seems to me that if Dag had put "Naked Child" in > the SL, or "explicit sexual content" or whatever, wouldn't that just > draw those perverts that google such phrases to look at this photo? > Seems to me that would be much worse than offending a few people who > are squimish about seeing a bit of flesh. I agree > We all know that Dag shows (innocent) pix of his kid, sometimes with > no clothes on. Knowing that, take the Robb approach. Don't look at > any of his photos. I agree > I can't believe that any cop or prosecutor, seeing one or two photos > that may be in my work computer's cache would choose to prosecute, > given the innocent nature of them, especially with an explanation of > how and why they got here, and especially given the fact that there > are no other nekkid kids in that cache. That´s good to hear. I still hope there is some sensibility on the legal systems. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
It has seen a lot of use today, and I have to agree. It is a jewel. My first impression is great. Joseph Tainter has commented on sharpness, and it looks OK. Maybe a little bit better than the A20, but I have not made any direct comparisons. Here´s some other comments: CA/Purple fringing is good. Even with white clouds through branches and leaves it was hardly possible to see any. Distortion: I haven´t noticed any even with straight lines close to the edges. That is a lot better than the A20mm. Vignetting: very little @ f:3.2, which is better than A20mm. Mechanics: Great, almost like A20mm, but with clutch and AF. Looks: Cute. The 43mm filter thread is inside the hood. Nice, but I´ll have to buy a new filter to use it. The 49mm filter may not be used together with the hood. It´s my first limited, but I´m tempted to put me on the list for the 70mm... DagT Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 14.24 skrev Jan van Wijk: > Just got this one in today. > > All I can say it is a real limitted, same style, > same look and feel, and comes with the > same type of leather pouch. > > It is much less of a 'pancake' than the 40mm is, > actually resembles the 43 limitted more. > > Hood and cap are perfect too, the hood > uses some kind of smart bayonet mount :-) > > Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: > > http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php > > > Regards, JvW > > > -- > Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Maybe I should simply put it in my signature: "Links are entered at your own risk." DagT Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 00.02 skrev P. J. Alling: > How about this, we'll post a warning that it's a photo of a human > being > and you are considered warned. > > Bob W wrote: > >>> I would expect we'd be advised by that Moslem pdml'er as to >>> local customs if >>> it affected him/her. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Let's try it. I have converted to Islam. I no longer wish to see any >> photographs that depict human beings. Please do not post any more to >> the list, otherwise I could get into trouble with my imam. >> >> -- >> Salaam, >> Bob >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Kenneth Waller >>> Sent: 20 July 2006 19:50 >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>> >>> >>> >>>> Does anyone here, for example, consider the difficulties >>>> >>>> >>> that might be >>> >>> >>>> caused to people in some Muslim countries if you show a >>>> >>>> >>> woman with her >>> >>> >>>> face uncovered, perhaps driving a car? >>>> >>>> >>> I would expect we'd be advised by that Moslem pdml'er as to >>> local customs if >>> it affected him/her. >>> >>> This is really no different than respecting the wishes of a >>> friend when you >>> visit them. ie if you smoke & he didn't like smoking in his >>> house, you would >>> refrain from smoking when visiting him. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> As long as you know what to ask. >>>> >>>> Why would it occur to somebody in a culture where it is routine >>>> >>>> >> for >> >> >>>> parents to photograph their naked children on a beach to thing >>>> >>>> >> that >> >> >>>> other cultures might be uptight about it? >>>> >>>> Does anyone here, for example, consider the difficulties >>>> >>>> >>> that might be >>> >>> >>>> caused to people in some Muslim countries if you show a >>>> >>>> >>> woman with her >>> >>> >>>> face uncovered, perhaps driving a car? >>>> >>>> I'll bet nobody here has ever given it a single moment's >>>> >>>> >>> thought, yet >>> >>> >>>> we expect other people to know all the peculiar nuances of our own >>>> moral and legal hang-ups. >>>> >>>> Publish and be damned! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of DagT >>>>> Sent: 20 July 2006 09:42 >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>>>> >>>>> I know >>>>> >>>>> Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 10.44 skrev P. J. Alling: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You can ask. >>>>>> >>>>>> DagT wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Den 20. jul. 2006 kl. 06.05 skrev Keith McGuinness: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am NOT saying that what you did is in anyway wrong but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> you've >> >> >>>>>>>> got to remember that the LAWS in other countries might be >>>>>>>> different, not only the customs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, that only brings a new problem. How much do we have to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> know >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> about foreign law? How much does US citizens know about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> our law, and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> how much do we know about other countries? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In relation to the Nikon Contest many years ago (so long that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> I >> >> >>>> may >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> remember wrong) I think there was restriction in Japan against >>>>>>> showing pubic hair. So shaved models got through. How was >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> I supposed >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> to know, or understand, that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DagT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> When you're worried or in doubt, >>>>>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 06.15 skrev William Robb: > - Original Message - > From: "Tom C" > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump > >> >> How do you know your pictures of your naked children are not >> ending up on >> the hard drive of somebody lurking on the list that's a >> pedophile? Gives >> one pause for thought, huh? > > It would if one actually thought I did, and I do each time. A very few pictures I have will never be published for that reason. But there is always a limit. The image we are discussing here is less problematic, in my view, than some pictures from US beauty contests for children. Of course, they do have clothes on but there are lots of food for maniacs there. I´d rather see a naked child than one that has been put into sexy clothes by her parents, but I guess that is just me. Enough is enough. I said in an early message that maybe I should have warned you, as I don´t want anyone to get into trouble. I still think it is strange and may forget in the future, so maybe those who are offended do like William Robb it will be fine. Don´t look before you know that it is safe. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
:-) Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 08.15 skrev Don Williams: > The psychiatrist held up the first Rorschach plate and asked the > patient > to comment. > "Sex!" was the immediate response. > Plate Two got the same response -- as did all the others. > The frustrated doctor then drew a wiggly line of a piece of paper. > "What about that?" he asked. > "Sex." > A straight line, two dots, a circle and a square all were met by cries > of "SEX! SEX!" > Finally the exasperated doctor said, "You're quite obviously > obsessed by > sex." > "ME! ME! Obsessed? You're the one drawing all these filthy pictures!" > > Don > > Tom C wrote: >> Bob, >> >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> I agree that nakedness need not = sexuality. >> >> I'm also pointing out that there is another collection of people, >> not quite >> as vocal, but with the power of the law behind them, that are >> lurking out >> there to pounce on people that they develop a desire to prosecute. >> >> Those are the ones that scare me, because guilt or innocence is >> not even the >> issue. >> >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:16:22 +0100 >>> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> no - I'm not implying that, and I apologise if my posts read that >>> way. >>> But I do think that a lot of people are being cowed by the >>> censorious >>> and over-cautious. >>> >>> The overwhelming majority of people everywhere love watching >>> children >>> play and enjoy themselves, with or without clothes on, in the most >>> innocent way, and think nothing of it. However there is a small but >>> vocal group of people who are always ready to see wickedness and >>> rush >>> in to cover things up. These are the people who equate nakedness >>> with >>> sexuality, and who also think all sexuality is wrong. Unless the >>> rest >>> of us stand up to them and say no to their stupidity they will win, >>> and they will impose their warped ideas on us again and again >>> because >>> we let them. Just think of the Victorians covering up table legs. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Bob >>> >>> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: 20 July 2006 20:49 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO - Jump I've noticed that your words and others, seem to imply that those who had a problem with the photo being posted without a warning (not necessarialy the photo itself), have a perverse or distorted view of the subject. That was not the case. Tom C. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr E D F Williams > www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ > 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 15.26 skrev William Robb: > > Hey fuckface, your pictures don't offend me. They don't affect me > in any way > at all, other than to inspire another yawn. After spending a couple of > decades printing pictures almost exactly the same as your crap, I > have a > pretty jaundiced view of pictures of naked kids. > I just don't want them showing up on my computer by accident > because of the > child porn laws in my country. > And I will continue to not look at your pictures, not because I am > offended > by them, but because I have seen the same kind of crap often enough > that I > see no merit in it. Ooohhh! :-D DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 18.20 skrev Godfrey DiGiorgi: > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 9:07 AM, DagT wrote: > >> Ooohhh! >> :-D > > I know, Dag. It's nice to know that WW hasn't been offended. Yes, it sure is. D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 15.30 skrev William Robb: > > - Original Message - > From: "mike wilson" > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump > >> >> Why do they need to be naked? Paedophiles sexualise children. >> End of >> story. _Any_ child photo is fair game. >> > > May be end of story in your mind, ut you could try reading the rest > of the > story. > Child porn laws sexualize children, and therin lies the problem for > people > who innocently click on an internet link. If you can be prosecuted for finding something by accident on an internet link you should stay off the internet. Either that, or you are being more than a little bit paranoid. Here´s a nice little story: My wife had a rare family name when I met her. I think there were 28 people in Norway, and probably in the world, with that name. So, you should think it was safe to make a search on that name on the internet. The third hit on Altavista was, however, to a pornographic web site featuring schoolgirls. So, if that happened at an office in the US or in Canada I could be arrested? Wow! Oh, and by the way, the explanation was probably simple as one of the persons with that name is an HTML programmer, and one of the modules he has made may have been used by the website. Maybe he could have been arrested as well? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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OK then, lets start a thread about avoiding psychopaths .-) My answer is that you can´t and you shouldn´t. I have met at least two of them. One of them threatened to take my to court for doing my job (I rejected his patent application). The story was in the magazines related to his technical field and well known in that field. Should I have hidden under a stone and let him have his way? No, it would means not doing what I believed was right. Would it help if I did so? No, he hated me already, so he would have found another way to hurt me. My giving up would just have encouraged him, and the people who new the case would hate me because I gave up (he was not very popular in his field). That would probably put me out of business later. But of course, around here we have a rule that if the case against you proves to be unjustified, the other part has to pay all your costs. That is discouraging for some of the madmen. DagT Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 17.56 skrev Tom C: > It ends when you're in jail and your life and reputation has been > ruined by > some psycopath in a position of power. > > It happens all to often... maybe not by the accidental viewing of a > picture, > but by someone making false accusations and then going on a witchhunt. > Constructing circumstantial evidence is child's play. > > Tom C. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
I have acknowledges a couple of times that I probably should have warned you, but I do see little understanding from some that these things may occur. Also I as a foreigner find that I´m held responsible for the effects of stupid laws in other countries. I´m sitting here at home in my own country, acting within the laws of my country. Of course I may try to take some cultural differences into consideration, like trying not to discuss political or religious issues (like Lebanon and Israel) or showing drawings of Muhammad, but things happen when the foreign rules are introduced being opposed to the local juridical logic, one may forget. It happens all ways, especially when religion and politics is introduced. For my part I hate it when some middle state theorist starts talking about religiously related north European court cases, but at least know that I should have shut up :-) Of course it is strange that the most important country in inventing the internet is one of the countries where using it is dangerous, but ... this whole thing reminds me of a story about rental cares in the US, with a sticker in the rear mirror says "remember that what you see in the mirror is behind you". I don´t know if it´s true, but it fits with the impression we get on the outside sometimes. The advice to citizens in some countries should be: "Don´t follow any link if you do not know the content in advance". DagT Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 20.30 skrev Aaron Reynolds: > DagT, ridiculing the laws of another country, even when they > deserve to be ridiculed, does not make them less applicable to > inhabitants of those countries. > > Our child pornography laws over-reach and have terrible > consequences for innocent people who run afoul of them. I think > they are poorly thought out and badly implemented. Despite my > disagreement with them, I am not immune from prosecution. > > A large portion of this list are from North America and are subject > to the same idiotic laws. In deference to these people, can you > please post a content warning with your links? > > Recently, a man spent several months in jail on child pornography > charges. He was turned in by a photofinisher (who is obligated > under the law to report anything vaguely resembling child porn ) > for a photograph of him kissing his infant's belly. He was held > without bail because a seizure and search of his computer turned up > photos of a relative's children frolicking in a sprinkler in the > backyard -- not even saved pictures, but cached ones, because the > relative had made an online gallery and sent him the link. > > Of course, when it went to trial the case was thrown out, but the > man lost months of his life. > > Yes, I live in a country with stupid laws. But I would be more > stupid to ignore them and put myself at risk. I am no martyr and I > don't want to miss out on any part of my son's life because I > wasn't careful. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: PESO - Jump > Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:55 pm > Size: 1K > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 15.30 skrev William Robb: > >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "mike wilson" >> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >> >>> >>> Why do they need to be naked? Paedophiles sexualise children. >>> End of >>> story. _Any_ child photo is fair game. >>> >> >> May be end of story in your mind, ut you could try reading the rest >> of the >> story. >> Child porn laws sexualize children, and therin lies the problem for >> people >> who innocently click on an internet link. > > If you can be prosecuted for finding something by accident on an > internet link you should stay off the internet. > > Either that, or you are being more than a little bit paranoid. > > Here´s a nice little story: > My wife had a rare family name when I met her. I think there were 28 > people in Norway, and probably in the world, with that name. So, you > should think it was safe to make a search on that name on the > internet. The third hit on Altavista was, however, to a pornographic > web site featuring schoolgirls. So, if that happened at an office in > the US or in Canada I could be arrested? Wow! > > Oh, and by the way, the explanation was probably simple as one of the > persons with that name is an HTML programmer, and one of the modules > he has made may have been used by the website. Maybe he could have > been arrested as well? > > DagT > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 23.45 skrev Cotty: > On 21/7/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> The >> advice to citizens in some countries should be: "Don´t follow any >> link if you do not know the content in advance". > > Agreed! > > <http://tinyurl.com/r7aho> > > (Office friendly) > Yeah, sure, scare sperm whales to death with motor boat chasing them in stead of killing off some whales from the whales species that are too numerous. :-} DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
The Norwegian name is "Vågehval", and in latin "Balaenoptera acutorostrata". I´m not sure what it is called in English but according to the International Whaling Commission there were about 18 of them in 2004. Not exactly extinct, and this is the type that Norwegians are hunting. As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". Actually it tastes very good when prepared in the right way .-) DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 00.29 skrev John Forbes: > Which whale species are "too numerous"? > > John > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:58:02 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 23.45 skrev Cotty: >> >>> On 21/7/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>>> The >>>> advice to citizens in some countries should be: "Don´t follow any >>>> link if you do not know the content in advance". >>> >>> Agreed! >>> >>> <http://tinyurl.com/r7aho> >>> >>> (Office friendly) >>> >> >> Yeah, sure, scare sperm whales to death with motor boat chasing them >> in stead of killing off some whales from the whales species that are >> too numerous. >> >> :-} >> >> DagT > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 03.24 skrev Keith McGuinness: > DagT wrote: >> The Norwegian name is "Vågehval", and in latin "Balaenoptera >> acutorostrata". I´m not sure what it is called in English but >> according to the International Whaling Commission there were about >> 18 of them in 2004. Not exactly extinct, and this is the type >> that Norwegians are hunting. >> >> As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". >> Actually it tastes very good when prepared in the right way .-) > > I would like to nominate DagT for this month's Most Un-Polically > Correct award (actually, perhaps this year's...). > > Keith McG 8-) Wow! Thanks! I hate being one in the crowd .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
We are only about 4,5 million, and whales are large. I think they only kill a few hundred whales each year. We eat other animals too... DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 09.24 skrev Jens Bladt: > Well, I'm glad that 6 billion people (or is it 7) don't all want to > eat > whale ... > 18 isn't all that many. What are there - perhaps 1 million > whales of all > kinds? > Regards > > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af > Keith McGuinness > Sendt: 22. juli 2006 03:24 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump) > > > DagT wrote: >> The Norwegian name is "Vågehval", and in latin "Balaenoptera >> acutorostrata". I´m not sure what it is called in English but >> according to the International Whaling Commission there were about >> 18 of them in 2004. Not exactly extinct, and this is the type >> that Norwegians are hunting. >> >> As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". >> Actually it tastes very good when prepared in the right way .-) > > I would like to nominate DagT for this month's Most Un-Polically > Correct award (actually, perhaps this year's...). > > Keith McG 8-) > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: > 07/20/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: > 07/20/2006 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 09.55 skrev Bob W: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of DagT >> Sent: 22 July 2006 08:37 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump) >> >> We are only about 4,5 million, and whales are large. I think they >> only kill a few hundred whales each year. We eat other animals > too... >> >> DagT >> > > Bushmeat? > > -- > Cheers, > Bob Cute little lambs, calves and chickens, taken from their mothers at an early age .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
The opinion of the IWC is on the move, and one of the reasons is that some smaller countries are tired of being used by the people who are against whaling. If anybody has been bought it has happened on both sides. I can show other links contradicting yours, but this is becoming too OT, even for me. DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 10.43 skrev John Forbes: > So 180,000 (probably a small fraction of the population 100 years > ago) is > "too numerous"? > > Too numerous for what? > > Too numerous to become extinct next year? So you'll continue > hunting them > to the brink of extinction, and at the same time bribe non-seafaring > nations to join the IWC and vote for a relaxation of the ban? > > Then when the ban is lifted, you'll wipe them all out, and start > again on > other sea-life like the various bill-fish that are currently being > fished > to death, like marlin. > > http://billfish.org/default.asp > > And you call Norwegians "intelligent people"! > > Good grief. > > John > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:42:50 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The Norwegian name is "Vågehval", and in latin "Balaenoptera >> acutorostrata". I´m not sure what it is called in English but >> according to the International Whaling Commission there were about >> 18 of them in 2004. Not exactly extinct, and this is the type >> that Norwegians are hunting. >> >> As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". >> Actually it tastes very good when prepared in the right way .-) >> >> DagT >> >> Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 00.29 skrev John Forbes: >> >>> Which whale species are "too numerous"? >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:58:02 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 23.45 skrev Cotty: >>>> >>>>> On 21/7/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: >>>>> >>>>>> The >>>>>> advice to citizens in some countries should be: "Don´t follow any >>>>>> link if you do not know the content in advance". >>>>> >>>>> Agreed! >>>>> >>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/r7aho> >>>>> >>>>> (Office friendly) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, sure, scare sperm whales to death with motor boat chasing >>>> them >>>> in stead of killing off some whales from the whales species >>>> that are >>>> too numerous. >>>> >>>> :-} >>>> >>>> DagT >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
In principle I agree, but the problem around here (one of our main incomes is from fish) is that the increasing number of whales and seals is also hurting the amount of fish in the sea. So, the natural balance has been shifted by us long ago and now we have to control all parts to provide a sustainable population of both fish, whales and others. DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 10.13 skrev David Savage: > Maybe so, but it's not sustainable. > > 40 or so years ago people were saying "There's plenty of fish in the > sea." Well there isn't now. Just because there are a lot of whales > now, doesn't mean there always will be. > > You talk to anyone who is involved in commercial fishing. Wild fish > stocks are in decline, fishermen are having to travel further & > further to make a catch. All the while they're having to pay more on > fuel & getting paid less for the catch. > > I'm not saying whaling is right or wrong, but it's always dangerous > when people talk is if the supply of natural resources is bottomless > pit. > > Dave > > BTW the English name for the whales that Norway catch is Minke. > > On 7/22/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are only about 4,5 million, and whales are large. I think they >> only kill a few hundred whales each year. We eat other animals too... >> >> DagT > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
Here´s a small question: Where did Keiko (from the Free Willy movies) run to get away from the americans? To a safe Norwegian fjord! .-) DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 03.36 skrev Paul Stenquist: > Championing freedom of speech in regard to nude photos of children > might be considered PC in some circles. But eating whales is a > definite no-no among that same constituency. > Paul Stenquist > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: > >> DagT wrote: >>> The Norwegian name is "Vågehval", and in latin "Balaenoptera >>> acutorostrata". I´m not sure what it is called in English but >>> according to the International Whaling Commission there were about >>> 18 of them in 2004. Not exactly extinct, and this is the type >>> that Norwegians are hunting. >>> >>> As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". >>> Actually it tastes very good when prepared in the right way .-) >> >> I would like to nominate DagT for this month's Most Un-Polically >> Correct award (actually, perhaps this year's...). >> >> Keith McG 8-) >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Yeah, an amazing display of knowledge and logic. D Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 15.15 skrev Carlos Royo: > Thanks, John, for explaining this matter much better than I could. > Please accept my congratulations and a big applause. > > Carlos > > John Forbes wrote: >> So 180,000 (probably a small fraction of the population 100 years >> ago) is >> "too numerous"? >> >> Too numerous for what? >> >> Too numerous to become extinct next year? So you'll continue >> hunting them >> to the brink of extinction, and at the same time bribe non-seafaring >> nations to join the IWC and vote for a relaxation of the ban? >> >> Then when the ban is lifted, you'll wipe them all out, and start >> again on >> other sea-life like the various bill-fish that are currently being >> fished >> to death, like marlin. >> >> http://billfish.org/default.asp >> >> And you call Norwegians "intelligent people"! >> >> Good grief. >> >> John >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 15.16 skrev Carlos Royo: > David Savage wrote: >> On 7/22/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Here´s a small question: >>> Where did Keiko (from the Free Willy movies) run to get away from >>> the >>> americans? >>> To a safe Norwegian fjord! .-) >>> >> >> And people say whales are smart. >> >> >> > > But they don't read newspapers... > Carlos Or maybe they are better than people in distinguishing between whale types. Some are almost extinct, others are not. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 15.48 skrev William Robb: > >> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:42:50 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> As we say in Norway: "Intelligent people eat intelligent food". > > You need to eat something other than the assholes. Visit us if you dare... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New telephoto lenses?
I thought you were the one who was supposed to know .-) My guess is YES to both. Just look at what has happened: Most longer lenses are discontinued. The only new high end new lenses are short and have light focussing constructions. Some Pentax officials are talking about updating the K mount and fast AF. So my guess is that they are working on USM or similar contructions and will implement it in any lens where the focussing is a limiting factor in the focussing speed. These are mostly the lenses that have been removed from the market and may/should be replaced by new ones. DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 01.49 skrev Pål Jensen: > Anyone with any idea whether there are new telephoto lenses in the > pipeline? > I particularly want a 100-400 ED IF lens. > Are there any chance for a prime lens wider than the 14/2.8 lens? > > > Pål > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Whale hunting photos
Interesting. According to this they use several hours to kill the poor animal. Norwegian Patent No 1, more than 130 years ago, was an explosive whale harpoon to end its sufferings more rapidly. DagT Den 22. jul. 2006 kl. 20.04 skrev Bob W: > Here are some photos here of the same people hunting whales: > http://www.vanhulsenbeek.com/lamalera/index.htm > > Different photographer. Pictures aren't as good as Ishikawa's > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > >> -Original Message- >> From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 22 July 2006 12:02 >> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >> Subject: Whale hunting photos >> >> >> Actually, whatever the rights and wrongs of whale-hunting, on >> whatever scale, it can be very photogenic. I have a wonderful >> Japanese book by Bon Ishikawa called "The Last Whale Hunters >> of Indonesia" (isbn 4-10-419101-9) which documents some >> subsistence-level whale-hunters. The photos are superb. >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/4104191019/ref=dp_im >> age_text_0/026-9445807-1146853?ie=UTF8 >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Bob > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
No, he died from pneumonia. Before that he played with some kids, ate some fish and had a nice time. DagT Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 01.39 skrev Norman Baugher: > Where he was promptly eaten. His running probably had something to > do with > Michael Jackson... > Norm > > From: "DagT" > Here´s a small question: > Where did Keiko (from the Free Willy movies) run to get away from the > americans? > To a safe Norwegian fjord! .-) > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 04.53 skrev William Robb: > > - Original Message - > From: "DagT" > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump > >> Visit us if you dare... > > Thanks for the offer, I'll stick with places whose people don't eat > endangered species and post kiddie porn on the net though. > > William Robb Oh, we´ve got a few things that are more in your stile too, as old fashioned pin-up girls. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 19.49 skrev Cotty: > On 22/7/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Thanks for the offer, I'll stick with places whose people don't eat >> endangered species and post kiddie porn on the net though. > > I'll give that my seal of approval. Oh, well, the taste isn´t that good but the skin is good for shoes. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New telephoto lenses?
Wow, if you are feeding a large part of the world with food it really explains why you are so popular, and why you have the world record in debt to other countries. DagT Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 20.57 skrev P. J. Alling: > If your definition is true then you are wrong. The carrying capacity > for the US is much higher than the current population. We feed a > large > part of the rest of the world. The US does import lots of luxury > foods, > (any fruit or vegetable out of season is a luxury by the way), which > require large amounts of human labor. The foods we produce are those > that can be machine harvested and processed. The difference in labor > cost in Mexico is the only thing that even makes importing fruits and > vegetables remotely possible. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/23/2006 9:55:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> But even the US isn't overcrowded by any stretch of the imagination. >> Europe is far more densely populated. You can make a good argument >> for >> overpopulation in Europe, but not for the US or (especially) Canada, >> both of which have very low population density, even if much of the >> population tends to stuff itself into small areas of high density. >> >> -Adam >> === >> Overpopulation is when the land people live on can no longer >> support them. >> The US passed that point a long, long time ago. Need I remind you >> how the US has >> drained the third world of resources to keep its population going? >> Let's just >> take food. The Central Valley in California used to feed most of >> the US and >> other parts of the world as well. I don't know what happened to >> it, but now >> about all our produce comes from Mexico. Which does leave one >> wondering what >> Mexicans eat. Or where other countries will get their oil etc. >> when they need it. >> >> Get real. >> >> Marnie aka Doe >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New telephoto lenses?
Sure, we are too far north to ba able to support ourselves with corn completely (we live about as far north as Fairbanks, Alaska) but I was thinking about other parts of the world, like Ukraine, White Russia etc who have even better farming conditions. As for the other part: Norwegian wealth depends largely on the oil dependency of the rest of the western world. That was the reason for the arrogance in that posting. Sorry about that. I´ve never understood why the west does not use it´s technology and wealth to become independent of oil. DagT Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 21.38 skrev Bob Sullivan: > Dag, > You need to stick to whales and kiddie porn, > or come out and meet a 7 bottom plow in Iowa. > We have states here with more acres in corn than you can imagine. > I suspect more than all the land that can be farmed in your country. > Regards, Bob S. > > On 7/23/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Wow, if you are feeding a large part of the world with food it really >> explains why you are so popular, and why you have the world record in >> debt to other countries. >> >> DagT >> >> Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 20.57 skrev P. J. Alling: >> >>> If your definition is true then you are wrong. The carrying >>> capacity >>> for the US is much higher than the current population. We feed a >>> large >>> part of the rest of the world. The US does import lots of luxury >>> foods, >>> (any fruit or vegetable out of season is a luxury by the way), which >>> require large amounts of human labor. The foods we produce are >>> those >>> that can be machine harvested and processed. The difference in >>> labor >>> cost in Mexico is the only thing that even makes importing fruits >>> and >>> vegetables remotely possible. >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>>> In a message dated 7/23/2006 9:55:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>>> But even the US isn't overcrowded by any stretch of the >>>> imagination. >>>> Europe is far more densely populated. You can make a good argument >>>> for >>>> overpopulation in Europe, but not for the US or (especially) >>>> Canada, >>>> both of which have very low population density, even if much of the >>>> population tends to stuff itself into small areas of high density. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> === >>>> Overpopulation is when the land people live on can no longer >>>> support them. >>>> The US passed that point a long, long time ago. Need I remind you >>>> how the US has >>>> drained the third world of resources to keep its population going? >>>> Let's just >>>> take food. The Central Valley in California used to feed most of >>>> the US and >>>> other parts of the world as well. I don't know what happened to >>>> it, but now >>>> about all our produce comes from Mexico. Which does leave one >>>> wondering what >>>> Mexicans eat. Or where other countries will get their oil etc. >>>> when they need it. >>>> >>>> Get real. >>>> >>>> Marnie aka Doe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> When you're worried or in doubt, >>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Ebay: That should teach him...
wow, there you really increased the interest for this link .-) DagT > Fra: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > NOT SAFE FOR WORK > > On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: > > > This bugger has not only stolen my picture but the complete description > > as well: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Minox-35-GT_W0QQitemZ260005633309 > > > > Ralf > > > > -- > > Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany > > private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de > > manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 > > Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Well said Tim. Porn involving children is far too serious to be related to pictures like this. Apart from that I don´t take William too seriously. He is just throwing out bad words in lack of anything else to say. DagT Den 24. jul. 2006 kl. 19.20 skrev Tim Øsleby: > I've read most of the thread, so I've got your point, don't you > worry ;-) > > I wasn’t very clear about my real point, sorry about that. > What is on my mind is that totally innocent pictures of children, > becomes > kiddie porn if we decide to call them that. And the picture > starting the > debate isn't. > > My next point is: Calling innocent pictures of children kiddie porn > may also > confuse a lot of people. If we call pictures like the one Dag > submitted > kiddie porn, people might jump to the conclusion that children porn is > harmless. > > IMO, children porn is a way to serious matter to be messed with > like this. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> William Robb >> Sent: 24. juli 2006 17:15 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tim Øsleby" >> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >> >> >>> Seriously Bill. Do you really think the picture Dag posted is kiddie >> porn? >>> I don't. >> >> It doesn't matter what I think the picture is. >> What does matter is that Canadian kiddie porn laws have an arrest >> now, >> prove >> it later mindset, and I don't feel the need to deal with that. >> A few people made a fairly simple request regarding posting content >> warnings, and gave valid reasons for wanting them. >> Fag decided to be a twit about it. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO - Jump
> Fra: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump > > > > Agreed. Although I still think people should warn for non-kiddie porn nude > > kid pics. > > In North America, there is not a solid line dividing "non kiddie porn nude > pics" from kiddie porn. Of course not, but it does help to use your brain. In the US, at least, artists like Sally Mann has NOT been arrested for making kiddie porn. That shows very clear that a picture of a naked child is not automatically regarded as kiddie porn even though her children sometimes indicate some sexuality. The same goes for Jock Sturges, who has published several books with naked people of all ages. >From a legal aspect this means that the limits existing in your head, and >which you try force upon others, is much stricter than the legal practice in >reality is. Another thing: sometimes your language is of the kind that I do not want my children to use. Can you please put a warning in the subject line next time? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 25. jul. 2006 kl. 18.01 skrev Tom C: >> >> In North America, there is not a solid line dividing "non kiddie >> porn nude >> pics" from kiddie porn. >> >> William Robb > > While I'm not offended by the human body, if I was at a public park > and saw > pre-pubescent older children running around naked I would likely > leave. > That being said, I don't enjoy looking at this kind of picture > either. And > even more, I question the need to show this kind of picture. > > Call me a prude or North American or whatever you want. I question > why one > HAS to show pictures of naked children when one could show pictures > of them > clothed. > > If Dag posted a naked picture of his wife, might some consider that > porn? I > would suggest so. Now, show naked pictures of children. It's just > a step > away. It is good that you do not visit Norway these days, Tom. In the heat children are playing naked in the sun. Innocently and without thought about strange thought on the other side of the world. By the way: I have published nude photos of my wife, and they are much less pornographic than Williams pin-up pictures .-) And why do I publish these photos? Because I like them, I would like to hear others opinions about them as photographs and like any other statement it is my right to do so in a free country. Actually I do not need a reason. If the US is limiting its citizens freedom to express themselves it is their problem, not mine. If your strange morals is making internet a dangerous place for you it is also your problem. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: [OT] Whales for lunch (was PESO - Jump)
Den 25. jul. 2006 kl. 18.42 skrev Godfrey DiGiorgi: > On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: > >>>> Friend of mine has a bumper sticker designed to offend almost >>>> everybody. It reads "NUKE THE GAY WHALES!" >> >> I always thought it was "Nuke the Gay Whales for Christ" >> > > It goes right next to the bumper sticker that says > "STOP NUCLEAR DECAY!" I would really like that one .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Warning - naked wife picture.
But I forgot .-) Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 00.00 skrev John Forbes: > Got you, Tom C! :-) > > John > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 25. jul. 2006 kl. 19.18 skrev frank theriault: > On 7/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> You're a prude ;-) > > I say: someone ~should~ post a picture of their naked wife, just as a > scientific experiment, to guage the reaction... Sorry it´s the best I can do on such short notice: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=65890 DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 00.26 skrev Tom C: > The internet is just an image or reflection of the world in general. Exactly, TomC. The world in general, and not just North America. North American laws and their weird interpretations are not relevant there. DagT http://dag.foto.no Please note that clicking on internet links may involve some hasards. You never know what is on the other side... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
I have a problem even reading PDML at work, simply because it is not what I´m paid for (and being one of the owners I guess I should be a good example). For that reason a person watching porn at work could loose his job, even here. Once in a while, when I´ve had to search for things on the web as part of my work, I have stumbled upon porn. Sure, I back off once I see what kind of link it was, but that is a very long way from fearing prosecution because it is kept in the cache on the computer, as some have claimed may happen in the US and Canada. DagT Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 04.32 skrev Bob Sullivan: > Dag, > > Nice photo, but not one for work. > I would be uncomfortable looking at this on my work screen. > > At work, we live by the morals of the combined organization. > In the US, we have had lots of training on being sensitive toward > others, > so as not to offend them for their beliefs or preferences. > So I personally avoid looking at pictures that women could interpret > as somehow seeing them as objects rather than individual people. > > It's not really been a problem except for the guy who went to Thialand > and loaded a bunch of porn onto his company laptop. When he insisted > on playing it at work, one of the neighboring women complained and he > was marched out the door. > > Regards, Bob S. > > On 7/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In a message dated 7/25/2006 3:15:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> writes: >> Sorry it´s the best I can do on such short notice: >> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=65890 >> >> DagT >> === >> That's nice, Dag. Makes a nice abstract. And it did have a >> warning. :-) So I >> looked. >> >> The human body is a thing of beauty. >> >> Marnie aka Doe >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Thanks! DagT Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 04.49 skrev Paul Stenquist: > Nice work, Dag. I wouldn't hesitate to look at this at work or > anywhere else. > Beautiful picture. > Paul > > > > On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > >> Dag, >> >> Nice photo, but not one for work. >> I would be uncomfortable looking at this on my work screen. >> >> At work, we live by the morals of the combined organization. >> In the US, we have had lots of training on being sensitive toward >> others, >> so as not to offend them for their beliefs or preferences. >> So I personally avoid looking at pictures that women could interpret >> as somehow seeing them as objects rather than individual people. >> >> It's not really been a problem except for the guy who went to >> Thialand >> and loaded a bunch of porn onto his company laptop. When he insisted >> on playing it at work, one of the neighboring women complained and he >> was marched out the door. >> >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On 7/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> In a message dated 7/25/2006 3:15:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> writes: >>> Sorry it´s the best I can do on such short notice: >>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=65890 >>> >>> DagT >>> === >>> That's nice, Dag. Makes a nice abstract. And it did have a >>> warning. :-) So I >>> looked. >>> >>> The human body is a thing of beauty. >>> >>> Marnie aka Doe >>> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
> Fra: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 02:42 PM 26/07/2006, DagT wrote: > >Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 00.26 skrev Tom C: > > > > > The internet is just an image or reflection of the world in general. > > > >Exactly, TomC. The world in general, and not just North America. > >North American laws and their weird interpretations are not relevant > >there. > > > Dag, it's not a question of if the laws are valid outside of North > American. It's a matter of being courteous towards your fellow PDML'ers. > > How would you feel if a member of this list lost their job or worse, got > arrested, because they looked at your picture? > > I agree the laws are stupid, but they are the laws that our North American > friends have to live by. > > I can't for the life of me understand why your unwilling to say "OK, in > future I'll post a warning" and leave it at that. As I said, it's just a > simple matter of courtesy. I have admitted more than once that maybe I should have posted a warning because I do not want anybody to be hurt. However, I also say that as the rules are strange and the border lines are very diffuse to me I may blunder again. As in this case it may simply not cross my mind. What I probably should do is to be inspired by some US stile warnings in my signature, with a general warning against following any link on the Internet .-) Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially hidden accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me want to help them protect themselves... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Talk about crap
> Fra: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 7/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the > > Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax > > payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every crackpot who > > wishes to tell us about his hallucinations? > > It rankles me that people use the "not with my tax dollars" argument > to try to muzzle academics whose views don't coincide with theirs. > > I didn't realize that part of the deal with public funds going to > universities was to allow the public to set curriculum, or otherwise > tell profs what to say (or not to say). > > In fact, I thought that tax dollars going to post-secondary > institutions was all about recognizing that the particular values and > freedoms of academia were worth preserving and promoting, not so that > the government or the people could use that funding as a platform to > promote personal or popular agendas or censor unpopular thoughts. > > I guess I'm naive. > Then so am I. Academia not only has to allow unpopular view, it depends upon it. All science is based on the ciritical discussion of any subject. If you throw out the discussions you may very well throw out thoughts and solutions that may turn out to be valuable. If the students in this case learns to be critical toward the professors views, and hopefully to any professors view, they have learned something very valuable, as science is based on a sceptical view on authorities. If the discussions about his methods make them more aware of the methods they use themselves it is also a good thing, because the scientific method (in any science) is more valuable than the recent findings and conclusions. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Talk about crap
> Fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2006/07/26 Wed PM 12:04:42 GMT > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: Re: Talk about crap > > > > > Fra: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > On 7/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the > > > > Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax > > > > payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every crackpot who > > > > wishes to tell us about his hallucinations? > > > > > > It rankles me that people use the "not with my tax dollars" argument > > > to try to muzzle academics whose views don't coincide with theirs. > > > > > > I didn't realize that part of the deal with public funds going to > > > universities was to allow the public to set curriculum, or otherwise > > > tell profs what to say (or not to say). > > > > > > In fact, I thought that tax dollars going to post-secondary > > > institutions was all about recognizing that the particular values and > > > freedoms of academia were worth preserving and promoting, not so that > > > the government or the people could use that funding as a platform to > > > promote personal or popular agendas or censor unpopular thoughts. > > > > > > I guess I'm naive. > > > > > Then so am I. > > > > Academia not only has to allow unpopular view, it depends upon it. All > > science is based on the ciritical > >discussion of any subject. If you throw out the discussions you may very > >well throw out thoughts and > >solutions that may turn out to be valuable. > > > > If the students in this case learns to be critical toward the professors > > views, and hopefully to any professors > >view, they have learned something very valuable, as science is based on a > >sceptical view on authorities. If the > >discussions about his methods make them more aware of the methods they use > >themselves it is also a good > >thing, because the scientific method (in any science) is more valuable than > >the recent findings and conclusions. > > > > DagT > > You can just picture the scene a few decades ago: > > Mad Professor: > "I've had an idea about his photography business. Everyone is sick of > waiting for film to be processed, > accidentally getting light on it, having to pay through the nose for > processing. Why don't we try to capture the > image on one of those silicon devices the Limeys have invented and then make > a device that prints it by spitting > ink at paper?" > > All the Bubbas in the lecture theatre roll about like Cadbury's Smash > Martians, while the Japanese exchange > student writes in his/her notebook If in the US The Eastman Kodak Company would probably withdraw their fundings from his university and the mad professor would be out on the street. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO - Jump
> Fra: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 4:46 AM, DagT wrote: > > > Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially hidden > > accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me want to > > help them protect themselves... > > Great, that's fine, but what about the rest of us? I'll try to remember you, but I may forget so you'll have to take your chances. Like I would if I should try the link in your signature. Today I tried a link to a person i knew, but it turned out to to be hacked and redirected to some things I didn't want to see. Some racist propaganda against muslims. Not very nice at all. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 17.51 skrev Tom C: >> >> Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially hidden >> accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me want >> to help >> them protect themselves... >> >> DagT >> >> > > Don't worry about it. No love lost here. If kids in your country > that are > way old enough to know how to dress themselves, instead run about > like naked > animals in public, and you want to display your kids own naked > bodies to the > world go ahead. I won't be looking. > > Tom C. > In case you haven´t noticed: We human beings ARE animals .-) Actually it is interesting. All three kids are able to dress themselves, but the small ones think it is more comfortable to be naked. The oldest, being seven, does mind and because of that I wouldn´t dream of photographing him naked. He does not mind pictures of him being naked when he was younger. DagT http://dag.foto.no Please note that clicking on internet links may involve some hasards. You never know what is on the other side... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Tim is good at this, isn´t he. OK, I´ll admit that I was probably unnecessarily provoked by some statements. I won´t get into which. It is time to stop the thread folks. Let´s discuss some photography... DagT Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 19.14 skrev Tom C: > Actually Tim, > > I don't have as much problem with it as my previous posts might > imply. Sorry for coming across as offensive. Thinking other's > customs are strange, and showing a degree of tolerance works both > ways though. > > The whole thing started of course, because of Dag's photo, and a > number of us responded with requests to post a warning in the > future, which he agreed to do, unless he forgets. I think that's > fair. > > However, IMO, he's continued to display some degree of belligerence > after that fact, which probably has perpetuated this thread. It's > probably time to let it drop, n'est pas? > > Tom C. > > > > >> From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:25:31 +0200 >> >> Pardon me saying this Tom: but the "run about like naked animals" >> part >> sounds very ethnocentric in my ears. To be totally strait with >> you, I find >> it rather offensive. >> >> In Norway, it is totally common to let children have fun, with or >> without >> clothes. When they get shy, they start wearing clothes at the >> beach. That's >> our customs. I don't find anything wrong about that. You may think >> this is >> strange, but to us, it's completely natural. >> >> If you think twice, before responding to this, I think you see my >> point ;-) >> >> >> Tim >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >> >> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds >> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> > Tom C >> > Sent: 26. juli 2006 17:52 >> > To: pdml@pdml.net >> > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >> > >> > > >> > >Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially >> hidden >> > >accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me >> want to >> > help >> > >them protect themselves... >> > > >> > >DagT >> > > >> > > >> > >> > Don't worry about it. No love lost here. If kids in your >> country that are >> > way old enough to know how to dress themselves, instead run >> about like >> > naked >> > animals in public, and you want to display your kids own naked >> bodies to >> > the >> > world go ahead. I won't be looking. >> > >> > Tom C. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO and Lens test...
...of the DA21mm. http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=248881 Note that some islands on the right makes the distortion seem larger than it actually is. The mid tones have been lightened a little bit to show some detail in the faces. "Office safe" .-) DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
I´m not offended, but my appetite is... Some nude kids? Anyone? DagT Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 22.04 skrev Bob W: > The gallery shows why such an apparently draconian measure is for the > good of all humanity! > > Especially this: > > Warning: not office friendly. Not out-of-the-office friendly either. > In fact, not an act of friendship by any description, anywhere, > anytime or anyhow. Do not follow this link if you are easily offended. > Do not follow this link even if you are really, really difficult to > offend. Probably best to leave well alone under all circumstances. > Especially if you wear a pacemaker, but even if you've the heart of an > athletic ox, be advised that this is not for you. No. No. No. > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries/index.html?in_image_id=2726 > 59&in_gallery_id=8276&in_page_id=1055 > > Told you so. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Tom C >> Sent: 26 July 2006 20:55 >> To: pdml@pdml.net >> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >> >> Not just North America... ;-) >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? >> in_article_id=397618&in_page_id=1770 >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> >>> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To: pdml@pdml.net >>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:21:32 -0600 >>> >>> Sounds good! >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:15:23 +0200 >>>> >>>> Tim is good at this, isn4t he. >>>> >>>> OK, I4ll admit that I was probably unnecessarily provoked by some >>>> statements. I won4t get into which. >>>> >>>> It is time to stop the thread folks. Let4s discuss some >> photography... >>>> >>>> DagT >>>> >>>> Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 19.14 skrev Tom C: >>>> >>>>> Actually Tim, >>>>> >>>>> I don't have as much problem with it as my previous posts might >>>>> imply. Sorry for coming across as offensive. Thinking other's >>>>> customs are strange, and showing a degree of tolerance works > both >>>>> ways though. >>>>> >>>>> The whole thing started of course, because of Dag's photo, and > a >>>>> number of us responded with requests to post a warning in the >>>>> future, which he agreed to do, unless he forgets. I think > that's >>>>> fair. >>>>> >>>>> However, IMO, he's continued to display some degree of >> belligerence >>>>> after that fact, which probably has perpetuated this >> thread. It's >>>>> probably time to let it drop, n'est pas? >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Tim Xsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >>>>>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:25:31 +0200 >>>>>> >>>>>> Pardon me saying this Tom: but the "run about like >> naked animals" >>>>>> part >>>>>> sounds very ethnocentric in my ears. To be totally strait with >>>>>> you, I find >>>>>> it rather offensive. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Norway, it is totally common to let children have >> fun, with or >>>>>> without >>>>>> clothes. When they get shy, they start wearing clothes at the >>>>>> beach. That's >>>>>> our customs. I don't find anything wrong about that. >> You may think >>>>>> this is >>>>>> strange, but to us, it's completely natural. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you think twice, before responding to this, I think >> you see my >>>>>> point ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim
Re: PESO - Jump
Who did you think you got it from? Post-victorians... DagT Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 21.55 skrev Tom C: > Not just North America... ;-) > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? > in_article_id=397618&in_page_id=1770 > > Tom C. > > > > >> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: pdml@pdml.net >> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:21:32 -0600 >> >> Sounds good! >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> >>> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:15:23 +0200 >>> >>> Tim is good at this, isn´t he. >>> >>> OK, I´ll admit that I was probably unnecessarily provoked by some >>> statements. I won´t get into which. >>> >>> It is time to stop the thread folks. Let´s discuss some >>> photography... >>> >>> DagT >>> >>> Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 19.14 skrev Tom C: >>> >>> > Actually Tim, >>> > >>> > I don't have as much problem with it as my previous posts might >>> > imply. Sorry for coming across as offensive. Thinking other's >>> > customs are strange, and showing a degree of tolerance works both >>> > ways though. >>> > >>> > The whole thing started of course, because of Dag's photo, and a >>> > number of us responded with requests to post a warning in the >>> > future, which he agreed to do, unless he forgets. I think that's >>> > fair. >>> > >>> > However, IMO, he's continued to display some degree of >>> belligerence >>> > after that fact, which probably has perpetuated this thread. It's >>> > probably time to let it drop, n'est pas? >>> > >>> > Tom C. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >>> >> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>> >> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:25:31 +0200 >>> >> >>> >> Pardon me saying this Tom: but the "run about like naked animals" >>> >> part >>> >> sounds very ethnocentric in my ears. To be totally strait with >>> >> you, I find >>> >> it rather offensive. >>> >> >>> >> In Norway, it is totally common to let children have fun, with or >>> >> without >>> >> clothes. When they get shy, they start wearing clothes at the >>> >> beach. That's >>> >> our customs. I don't find anything wrong about that. You may >>> think >>> >> this is >>> >> strange, but to us, it's completely natural. >>> >> >>> >> If you think twice, before responding to this, I think you see my >>> >> point ;-) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Tim >>> >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >>> >> >>> >> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds >>> >> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) >>> >> >>> >> > -Original Message- >>> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> >> Behalf Of >>> >> > Tom C >>> >> > Sent: 26. juli 2006 17:52 >>> >> > To: pdml@pdml.net >>> >> > Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially >>> >> hidden >>> >> > >accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me >>> >> want to >>> >> > help >>> >> > >them protect themselves... >>> >> > > >>> >> > >DagT >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > Don't worry about it. No love lost here. If kids in your >>> >> country that are >>> >> > way old enough to know how to dress themselves, instead run >>> >> about like >>> >> > naked >>> >> > animals in public, and you want to display your kids own naked >>> >> bodies to >>> >> > the >>> >> > world go ahead. I won't be looking. >>> >> > >>> >> > Tom C. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO and Lens test...
Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 22.47 skrev Cotty: > On 26/7/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> ...of the DA21mm. >> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=248881 >> >> Note that some islands on the right makes the distortion seem larger >> than it actually is. The mid tones have been lightened a little bit >> to show some detail in the faces. >> >> "Office safe" .-) > > Disgraceful. A gratuitous and totally uncalled-for inclusion of a > sailboat in the top left hand corner. You should be bloody ashamed of > yourself you flippin whale-eater. What an afront. If I want bleeding > sailboats in the pics I look at, I can very well find them on lots of > places on the internet, I don't need them thrust in my face by you > Scandinavian Scumballs. I mean, come on! > > More warnings please next time. Anything more than a rowboat, even > with > just a hint of canvas, the slightest whiff of a tiller, maybe. But an > outright yacht ?! what were you thinking man? > OK, I give in. From now on I´ll do better, and be inspired by a friend of mine and his wedding picture: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6751 The comments are in Norwegian, and mostly office friendly. DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 23.49 skrev John Forbes: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:37 +0100, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> And, of course, for the maths department you need to hire the >> resident >> loon on sci.math who claims to have a simple proof of Fermat's last >> theorem (insert obligatory joke here about the margins of this post >> being too small to contain the proof). >> >> There's a reason why the patent department returns claims about >> perpetual motion machines, unopened, and it's not to suppress >> freedom of speech - it's to avoid wasting everybody's time. > > I had the impression that the US Patent Department registers every > patent > application it receives. That's why US patent law is such a mess. > > John Not completely true, but it may seem that way sometimes. Regarding perpetual motion machines it is a fact that the international patent classification system has classes for such things. Usually getting that class on your application leads to a final rejection, but in the US they do in fact have some granted patents on inventions being classified as perpetual motion machines... DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Talk about crap
I need a warning about pictures like this. I don't want my wife to see it... DagT > Fra: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So are the Polish ones. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4115164.stm > > Look at the size of his flange! > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Cotty > > Sent: 27 July 2006 08:35 > > To: pentax list > > Subject: Re: Talk about crap > > > > On 26/7/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > >I don't know how true this is, but I have heard that > > plumbers in England can > > >pretty much charge whatever they want, some making 1/4 > > million pounds a > > >year. > > > > Norwegian plumbers are all off shooting porn > > > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4802928.stm> > > > > [office friendly] > > > > -- > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Yes, you are actually right. I guess I´m just too used to these OT threads .-) DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 07.01 skrev P. J. Alling: > Strangely this thread was discussing photography. > > DagT wrote: > >> Tim is good at this, isn´t he. >> >> OK, I´ll admit that I was probably unnecessarily provoked by some >> statements. I won´t get into which. >> >> It is time to stop the thread folks. Let´s discuss some >> photography... >> >> DagT >> >> Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 19.14 skrev Tom C: >> >> >> >>> Actually Tim, >>> >>> I don't have as much problem with it as my previous posts might >>> imply. Sorry for coming across as offensive. Thinking other's >>> customs are strange, and showing a degree of tolerance works both >>> ways though. >>> >>> The whole thing started of course, because of Dag's photo, and a >>> number of us responded with requests to post a warning in the >>> future, which he agreed to do, unless he forgets. I think that's >>> fair. >>> >>> However, IMO, he's continued to display some degree of belligerence >>> after that fact, which probably has perpetuated this thread. It's >>> probably time to let it drop, n'est pas? >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" >>>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:25:31 +0200 >>>> >>>> Pardon me saying this Tom: but the "run about like naked animals" >>>> part >>>> sounds very ethnocentric in my ears. To be totally strait with >>>> you, I find >>>> it rather offensive. >>>> >>>> In Norway, it is totally common to let children have fun, with or >>>> without >>>> clothes. When they get shy, they start wearing clothes at the >>>> beach. That's >>>> our customs. I don't find anything wrong about that. You may think >>>> this is >>>> strange, but to us, it's completely natural. >>>> >>>> If you think twice, before responding to this, I think you see my >>>> point ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >>>> >>>> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds >>>> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Behalf Of >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tom C >>>>> Sent: 26. juli 2006 17:52 >>>>> To: pdml@pdml.net >>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - Jump >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> hidden >>>> >>>> >>>>>> accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> want to >>>> >>>> >>>>> help >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> them protect themselves... >>>>>> >>>>>> DagT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Don't worry about it. No love lost here. If kids in your >>>>> >>>>> >>>> country that are >>>> >>>> >>>>> way old enough to know how to dress themselves, instead run >>>>> >>>>> >>>> about like >>>> >>>> >>>>> naked >>>>> animals in public, and you want to display your kids own naked >>>>> >>>>> >>>> bodies to >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> world go ahead. I won't be looking. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
Yes .-) Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 05.56 skrev P. J. Alling: > Nice, very tasteful. Yours? > > DagT wrote: > >> Den 25. jul. 2006 kl. 19.18 skrev frank theriault: >> >> >> >>> On 7/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> You're a prude ;-) >>>> >>>> >>> I say: someone ~should~ post a picture of their naked wife, just >>> as a >>> scientific experiment, to guage the reaction... >>> >>> >> >> Sorry it´s the best I can do on such short notice: >> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=65890 >> >> DagT >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
That is probably true. Another thing is that some patent attorneys are so good at camouflaging real inventive that they end of with a PM .-) DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 17.24 skrev graywolf: > Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines > are > not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without > consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented that > fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that case, > been cleverly concealed by the applicant. > > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > DagT wrote: > but in the US they do in fact have some granted >> patents on inventions being classified as perpetual motion >> machines... > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 17.43 skrev keith_w: > graywolf wrote: >> Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM >> machines are >> not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without >> consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented that >> fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that case, >> been cleverly concealed by the applicant. > > Seriously, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of obtaining the patent? > > If motion without decay from the world around it (entropy, I guess) > is not one > of the claims, the applicant/patent holder has no claim or recourse > against > those who wold steal the essence of the idea. > > Just thinking about it... A good thought, but some of these inventors are so certain that they have invented a PM that they try to fool the patent office into giving them the patent. The claims may be unclear (and difficult to attack or defend) but they still cover the PM. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond or rules and order. In Germany they often have Ph. D´s while in the US they often have bachelors degrees in their technical field... .-) DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 21.29 skrev Bob W: > Perhaps he drew it with brakes and intends to put a big sign on them > when he's built it saying "Warning - do not apply brakes. Applying > brakes invalidates warranty". > > That would easily get by the patent clerks, who are probably not very > good at physics anyway. Especially the Swiss. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of graywolf >> Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >> >> Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM >> machines are >> not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without >> consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented > that >> fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that > case, >> been cleverly concealed by the applicant. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Not really, I should know. I am a patent attorney and former patent examiner/clerk in Norway, and a partner here: http:// www.protector.biz/uk/ You´ll find my face somewhere on that cite. ...and just to say somethng about the US patent attorneys: They have law degrees as well, making them very good at handling conflicts. DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 22.15 skrev Bob W: > Really? You amaze me. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of DagT >> Sent: 28 July 2006 20:51 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >> >> Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond or >> rules and order. In Germany they often have Ph. D´s while in the US > >> they often have bachelors degrees in their technical field... .-) >> >> DagT >> >> Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 21.29 skrev Bob W: >> >>> Perhaps he drew it with brakes and intends to put a big sign on > them >>> when he's built it saying "Warning - do not apply brakes. Applying >>> brakes invalidates warranty". >>> >>> That would easily get by the patent clerks, who are >> probably not very >>> good at physics anyway. Especially the Swiss. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Bob >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of graywolf >>>> Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >>>> >>>> Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM >>>> machines are >>>> not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without >>>> consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented >>> that >>>> fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that >>> case, >>>> been cleverly concealed by the applicant. >>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
sh... I didn´t see that one .-) Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 23.19 skrev Bob W: > Amazing. I'm astounded that any Swiss patent clerk could possibly be > good at physics. Who'd have thought such a thing was possible? They'll > have their faces on t-shirts next, I'll bet. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of DagT >> Sent: 28 July 2006 21:34 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >> >> Not really, I should know. I am a patent attorney and former patent > >> examiner/clerk in Norway, and a partner here: http:// >> www.protector.biz/uk/ You´ll find my face somewhere on that cite. >> >> ...and just to say somethng about the US patent attorneys: >> They have >> law degrees as well, making them very good at handling conflicts. >> >> DagT >> >> Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 22.15 skrev Bob W: >> >>> Really? You amaze me. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Bob >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of DagT >>>> Sent: 28 July 2006 20:51 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >>>> >>>> Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond or >>>> rules and order. In Germany they often have Ph. D´s while >> in the US >>> >>>> they often have bachelors degrees in their technical field... > .-) >>>> >>>> DagT >>>> >>>> Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 21.29 skrev Bob W: >>>> >>>>> Perhaps he drew it with brakes and intends to put a big sign on >>> them >>>>> when he's built it saying "Warning - do not apply brakes. > Applying >>>>> brakes invalidates warranty". >>>>> >>>>> That would easily get by the patent clerks, who are >>>> probably not very >>>>> good at physics anyway. Especially the Swiss. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of graywolf >>>>>> Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >>>>>> >>>>>> Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM >>>>>> machines are >>>>>> not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without >>>>>> consideration. Now it is possible some things have been > patented >>>>> that >>>>>> fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that >>>>> case, >>>>>> been cleverly concealed by the applicant. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> DagT >> http://dag.foto.no >> >> Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
I know now, I must have been tired last night... DagT Den 29. jul. 2006 kl. 04.04 skrev graywolf: > But you never heard of Albert Einstein, correct? > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > DagT wrote: >> Not really, I should know. I am a patent attorney and former patent >> examiner/clerk in Norway, and a partner here: http:// >> www.protector.biz/uk/ You´ll find my face somewhere on that cite. >> >> ...and just to say somethng about the US patent attorneys: They have >> law degrees as well, making them very good at handling conflicts. >> >> DagT >> >> Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 22.15 skrev Bob W: >> >>> Really? You amaze me. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Bob >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of DagT >>>> Sent: 28 July 2006 20:51 >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >>>> >>>> Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond or >>>> rules and order. In Germany they often have Ph. D´s while in >>>> the US >>>> they often have bachelors degrees in their technical field... .-) >>>> >>>> DagT >>>> >>>> Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 21.29 skrev Bob W: >>>> >>>>> Perhaps he drew it with brakes and intends to put a big sign on >>> them >>>>> when he's built it saying "Warning - do not apply brakes. Applying >>>>> brakes invalidates warranty". >>>>> >>>>> That would easily get by the patent clerks, who are >>>> probably not very >>>>> good at physics anyway. Especially the Swiss. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of graywolf >>>>>> Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> Subject: Re: Talk about crap >>>>>> >>>>>> Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM >>>>>> machines are >>>>>> not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without >>>>>> consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented >>>>> that >>>>>> fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that >>>>> case, >>>>>> been cleverly concealed by the applicant. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> DagT >> http://dag.foto.no >> >> Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. >> >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ultrasonic lenses?
I'm not sure if you have seen this but Pentax got a patent for a control system for an ultrasonic motor last year. US patent US6894422: http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US2002089257&F=0&RPN=US6894422&DOC=dcb65d04ab6827e7a25d16cf9851f8c86f US6301441, from the same inventor, is also interesting and has been cited against a later patent from Canon... DagT (just doing some miscellaneous patent searches today...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Ultrasonic lenses?
> Fra: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 7/31/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > DagT > > (just doing some miscellaneous patent searches today...) > > You crazy fun loving guy you. Well, at least this is office friendly, and even a little relevant. Summer holiday is over... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: August PUG is open
> Fra: Keith McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > DagT -- Interesting shapes and colours. I liked it more the > second time I looked at it. (Surprised to see no naked people, > though.) Thanks Keith .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: August PUG is open
Thanks Evan! DagT Den 2. aug. 2006 kl. 00.54 skrev Evan Hanson: > Great gallery this month. > > Here are my favorites: > Outstanding in its field: I guessed it was Velvia before I even > scrolled > down. > > @: Great composition > > Kirk in the Hills: Another great shot by Paul. > > Under Construction: Ann you never cease to amaze. > > All in all a great month for PUG. > > Evan > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PUG is dying?
Den 2. aug. 2006 kl. 11.44 skrev John Forbes: > I think I need to eat my words on this subject. > > The August PUG is the best for a long time. I especially liked > Bruce D's > Oakland Temple, Greg Cooper's Church Top, Dag T's "@" (my > favourite), and > Anne S's wonderfully whimsical (and cleverly named) "Under > construction", > just to name a few. > > The high (and high quality) turnout does suggest that a simple > theme can > be more inspirational than a quirky one designed to challenge the > photographer. This was a straightforward subject, but it didn't > produce > banal images. Or perhaps it is just that the subject is a popular > one. > > John Thanks John! I agree with you regarding this PUG. Lots of good pictures. DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Stumped Over K10D
> Fra: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 03/08/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For the camera as per Peter's spec's, or the upcoming 10MP body? > > > > For me, the buffer size is the spec I'm most interested in. > > As per Peters spec. I already have a 6MP camera and the 10MP is still vapour. I thnk it is condensating fast now, at least according to the preliminary specs I saw a couple of weeks ago. Also, this should be the right camera to use to introduce the USM technology described the the patents I found last week... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
From some discussions last week I think some have the freedom to scare others. The land of the free becomes the land of the scared... DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 18.28 skrev Tom C: > It's the freedom to enslave others... > > Tom C. > > "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or > numbered." > > Patrick McGoohan in "The Prisoner" > > > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? >> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 >> >> I always thought a "Freedom Fighter" fought for freedom, many >> given that >> label seem to fight against it. >> >> Norman Baugher wrote: >> >>> Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... >>> Norm >>> >>> From: "P. J. Alling" >>> >>> >>> >>>> No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their >>>> authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. >>>> Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. >>>> >>>> William Robb wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this >>>>>> you >>>>>> contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be >>>>>> defended >>>>>> everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, >>>>>> eventually you >>>>>> have to use force... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> We call those people "terrorists". >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> When you're worried or in doubt, >> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some images...
Nice... But velvia never did have anything to do with reality anyway .-) DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 16.20 skrev Pål Jensen: > I've put up about 20 images as a portfolio at Photo.net. > Almost all of them are taken a few km from home, which is in Northern > Norway. Most are taken at night! > > the link: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=266609 > > > Any coments are welcomed. > > Pål > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photography = obstruction of justice?
Sure, but I value the freedom to speak my mind and seek my wisdom without being scared of what may be stored in my cache .-) DagT Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 22.20 skrev Tom C: > Freedom is always a relative term, as there is no such thing as > 'absolute > freedom'. > > Tom C. > > "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or > numbered." > > > > >> From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? >> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:55:06 +0200 >> >> From some discussions last week I think some have the freedom to >> scare others. >> >> The land of the free becomes the land of the scared... >> >> DagT >> >> Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 18.28 skrev Tom C: >> >>> It's the freedom to enslave others... >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, >>> debriefed or >>> numbered." >>> >>> Patrick McGoohan in "The Prisoner" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: Photography = obstruction of justice? >>>> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 >>>> >>>> I always thought a "Freedom Fighter" fought for freedom, many >>>> given that >>>> label seem to fight against it. >>>> >>>> Norman Baugher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Let's throw in Freedom Fighter somewhere as well... >>>>> Norm >>>>> >>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> No, like all good libertarians we call those who overreach their >>>>>> authority stateists. Those who finally rebel are called rebels. >>>>>> Terrorists are a different kettle of fish entirely. >>>>>> >>>>>> William Robb wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who says we tolerate it. When the cops do something like this >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> contact a lawyer and the local press. Freedom needs to be >>>>>>>> defended >>>>>>>> everywhere, but it needs to be defended. If it isn't, >>>>>>>> eventually you >>>>>>>> have to use force... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> We call those people "terrorists". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> When you're worried or in doubt, >>>>Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> DagT >> http://dag.foto.no >> >> Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT http://dag.foto.no Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Some images...
Of course, they sell images of what we want nature to look like, not how it really is .-) We don't want reminders, we want dreams. DagT > Fra: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But velvia never did have anything to do with reality anyway .-) > > Yeah, so I guess that explains why it was the choice of most outdoor pros.. > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "DagT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Some images... > > > Nice... > > But velvia never did have anything to do with reality anyway .-) > > DagT > > Den 3. aug. 2006 kl. 16.20 skrev Pål Jensen: > > > I've put up about 20 images as a portfolio at Photo.net. > > Almost all of them are taken a few km from home, which is in Northern > > Norway. Most are taken at night! > > > > the link: > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=266609 > > > > > > Any coments are welcomed. > > > > Pål > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > DagT > http://dag.foto.no > > Beware of internet links. You never know what is on the other side. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: K10D - More News
The Nikon-people are saying the same, but that does not make it right. Remember that the requirements made by the FF sensor makes lot of the Canon lenses useless (at least in vignetting, edge sharpness..), so you have to add new lenses to the cost. If I had to change many of my lenses anyway I'd rather have a cropped 645D. You get the best from the lenses and you get an even larger sensor. DagT > Fra: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm broke right now, but even I don't see that as a huge price. What > would you have expected to pay for a FF 35mm DSLR even three years ago. > I think the Kodak DCS cameras were about $6000. Which was about half > the price of the equivalent Canon? While imaging chips are probably not > going to halve in price in the next three years, they may fall by > another 1/3 with a savings in the support hardware, (the rest of the > camera that is), of maybe 50% being not unreasonable. We, (yes the > royal we), could postulate that a FF DSLR would be selling for less that > $2000.00. Maybe around say $1600.00. How many on this list paid that > much for their *ist-D. Pentax will have to build one, just to compete. > If they can't they're doomed anyway, and I think they know it. > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > >Only the Canon pro cameras are full frame. None sell for less than > >$3000. > >On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > > > > > >>After Pentax killed the MZ-D/MR-52 in IIRC 2003 there were people on > >>this list who predicted that Pentax would never introduce a Digital SLR > >>that they would be film forever. The *ist-D was announced, what within > >>a year, in peoples hands in less than 1 1/2 years. Canon has managed > >>to > >>bring the cost of a FF DSLR into the realm of mere mortals. If Pentax > >>can get a FF sensor and build a camera for a price that they feel is > >>competitive they will build it. Personally I think that Canon's > >>propaganda machine is good enough that FF 35mm format will remain the > >>holy grail of DSLR development, (not that they don't have a point). > >>Pentax will either have one within the next 3-4 years, (1.3 crop is > >>close enough for government work), be a name on a Samsung product, or > >>be > >>out of the Camera business. This is especially so if the 645D has > >>limited sales success. If I'm right, (and I hope I am, not about the > >>645D but about the FF sensor), I'll send you a bottle of Tabasco. > >> > >>Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>The *ist was a stopgap film camera. No one considered it a top of the > >>>line offering. I will eat this message if Pentax releases a 1.3 or > >>>full-frame camera. It ain't gonna happen. > >>>Paul > >>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>It was sold as the new top of the line, and in most respects had, at > >>>>least for Pentax top of the line specifications. The MZ-S was the > >>>>Flagship but was soon discontinued anyway. The *ist effectively > >>>>replaced the MZ-S the MZ3/ZX5n MZ-6/ZX-L etc. Don't forget the green > >>>>button Kludge on the *ist-D didn't come along until there was a > >>>>wave of > >>>>protest from Pentax's user base in Japan, (and here, but Japanese > >>>>users > >>>>are what Pentax probably really cared about). I have no doubt that > >>>>Pentax will change sensors as soon as it makes economic sense to do > >>>>so. > >>>>If a 1.3 crop or full frame 35mm sensor is released next week with a > >>>>price/quality ratio that makes economic sense. Don't doubt that > >>>>those > >>>>DA lenses will be suddenly obsolete. > >>>> > >>>>Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>The film *ist was a limited offering aimed at newbie amateurs. It > >>>>>was built for use with consumer zooms. It wasn't likely that many > >>>>>would want to use it with pre-A lenses. > >>>>>Paul > >>>>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>
