Re: OT Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Sunday, October 19, 2003, 11:44:33 PM, you wrote:

> You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
> I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
> though.

> Thrainn

Mitochondrial 'Eve' lived about 150,000 years ago. That is about 6,000
generations ago.

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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Sunday, October 19, 2003, 11:22:44 PM, you wrote:

> Chuck the first part of that journey, unless you like traffic and misery,
> and substitute with M11, A14, M6 then...

that was according to Bill Gates, so it must be correct! (Autoroute
software).

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Re: OT Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread graywolf
Yes, I always hear these little number games. Actually, since there always has 
been an immense amount of inbreding in human populations the number game is 
meaningless. I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even 
millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even 
indirectly. This number game is the same arithmetic that says you can never hit 
the wall you are driving toward at 100kph. You need to use a calculus not 
arithmetic for these kinds of problems.

In a small population like Iceland maybe most of the people whose families have 
lived there for several hundred years are interrelated, but 6 generations give 
512 ancestors. However many of those 512 ancestors can be the same person, if 
just 2 of your ancestors were related then there you only have 256 possible 
ancestors in 6 generations. In all likelihood in a population as small as 
Iceland many of ones ancestors were cousins, maybe only 5th or 6th cousins but 
that reduces the number of ancestors in ones family tree drastically.



Thrainn Vigfusson wrote:
You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
though.

Thrainn

On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote:

Hi, Thrainn.

I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you
haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this
list. :-)
Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population
is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those "do you
know...", based on who you are, where your family is from etc.
Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all
nations...
-Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to
go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-)
Jostein

-
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-
- Original Message -
From: "Thrainn Vigfusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: OT Re: New to the list

I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to
tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her.
We get a lot of "...then you must know..." questions here, mainly because
the


whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are
or


where you live, you can expect answers like "My wife's cousin's husband's
great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about
her."


BTW,  I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees
of
the


entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few
seconds,


you can find out how you are related to anybody.

On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote:

Hi, again,

Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which
she


is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small place,
I didn't know it's that small.
And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the
earlier


post).

It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and
mentioning


how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing
Canadian


joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells
a


story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from
Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met
them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million
Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't
met your cousins."
Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings
anyway...




cheers,
frank




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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Keith Whaley


Cotty wrote:
> 
> On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
> >northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
> >the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
> >country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)
> >
> >How far is London-Glasgow, really?
> 
> About 3 1/2 six-packs of McEwan's (travelling south)

South? From where? The Arctic circle?

Oh, you must mean Glasgow-London!  

- keith
 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty



Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
Welcome.  In case you've missed it, the 6x7 users on the list are
refered to as "the brotherhood".  I'm sure they are pleased to welcome
another "true believer".


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Re: OT Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Thrainn Vigfusson
You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
though.

Thrainn

On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote:
> Hi, Thrainn.
>
> I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you
> haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this
> list. :-)
>
> Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population
> is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those "do you
> know...", based on who you are, where your family is from etc.
>
> Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all
> nations...
> -Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to
> go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-)
>
> Jostein
>
> -
> Pictures at: http://oksne.net
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: "Thrainn Vigfusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: OT Re: New to the list
>
> > I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to
> > tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her.
> >
> > We get a lot of "...then you must know..." questions here, mainly because
>
> the
>
> > whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are
>
> or
>
> > where you live, you can expect answers like "My wife's cousin's husband's
> > great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about
>
> her."
>
> > BTW,  I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees
> > of
>
> the
>
> > entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few
>
> seconds,
>
> > you can find out how you are related to anybody.
> >
> > On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote:
> > > Hi, again,
> > >
> > > Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which
>
> she
>
> > > is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small place,
> > > I didn't know it's that small.
> > >
> > > And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the
>
> earlier
>
> > > post).
> > >
> > > It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and
>
> mentioning
>
> > > how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing
>
> Canadian
>
> > > joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells
>
> a
>
> > > story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from
> > > Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met
> > > them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million
> > > Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't
> > > met your cousins."
> > >
> > > Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings
>
> anyway...
>
> > > 
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > frank




Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread mishka
you are kidding, right?
i am almost envisioning a "large, mostly empty" highway from Boston to NYC
( i guess that should count for "major towns", eh? ).
I-95 that is. last time i went there (a few weeks ago), i got stuck in traffic
for almost two hours between stamford and pelhams. at 11pm.
and the same on the way back.
mishka

Thus Americans tend to envision major towns connected by large, mostly empty,
highways, while the English think in terms of narrow, winding roads, with
massive congestion on the few limited-access highways.




Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
>northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
>the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
>country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)
>
>How far is London-Glasgow, really?

About 3 1/2 six-packs of McEwan's (travelling south)




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RE: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bob Walkden wrote:

> TimeDistance InstructionRoadFor   
>   Dir Toward
> 09:00   0.0 Depart London, UK   A2021.4 km  W
> 09:02   1.4 Turn left onto  A3022.3 km  W
> 09:06   3.6 Go onto A5  1.8 km  NW
> 09:09   5.5 Turn right onto A5205   0.8 km  E
> 09:11   6.3 Turn left onto  A41 6.3 km  NW
> 09:20   12.6Turn left onto  A406439 m   W
> 09:21   13.0At Kingsbury, bear right onto   M1  122.0 
> kmW   Luton
> 10:22   135.0   At M1-M6, turn left ontoM6  363.3 
> kmW   Coventry
> 13:24   498.3   At Carlisle-North, go onto  A74 [E5], 
> [E18] 10.0 km W   Glasgow
> 13:30   508.3   Go onto M74 [E5], 
> [E18] 13.3 km NW  Glasgow
> 13:37   521.6   Go onto A74 [E5]  
>   5.2 km  W   Glasgow
> 13:41   526.7   Go onto M74 [E5]  
>   18.7 km W   Glasgow
> 13:50   545.4   Bear right onto A74 [E5]  
>   30.1 km N   Glasgow
> 14:09   575.5   Go onto A74-M [E5]
>   11.7 km W   Glasgow
> 14:15   587.2   At Abington, bear left onto M74 [E5]  
>   47.3 km N   Glasgow
> 14:39   634.5   At Birkenshaw, bear right onto  M73 [E5]  
>   1.5 km  N   
> 14:40   635.9   At Old Monkland, bear left onto M8 [E5] 14.6 
> km N   Glasgow
> 14:41   636.7   Refuel before here: last refuel 636.7 
> kilometres ago
> 14:48   650.5   At Glasgow-Centre, turn left onto A8  1.0 km  E
> 14:49   651.6   Arrive Glasgow, UK  
> 
> distances measured in the Napoleonic manner.

Chuck the first part of that journey, unless you like traffic and misery,
and substitute with M11, A14, M6 then...

Malcolm




Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>
> Isn't there some little factoid somewhere about if you walk around the
> entire boundary of Norway it's the same distance as from the Earth to the
> moon? Bonus points if you find Slartibartfast's signature...

Dunno how long it really is, but the "fiddlybits" certainly add length to
the coastline.
Slartibartfast's signature would probably be drowned by some hydropower dam,
though...

This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)

How far is London-Glasgow, really?

Jostein



Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread graywolf
Some times it is. "I'm going to the drug store, be back day after tomorrow", he 
told his wife as he fired up the airplane.

Cotty wrote:

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:


Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we 

from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is 

where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.

"That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in 
astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...


Bloody hell! And I thought it was a long way to the chemist's...



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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread graywolf
Damn, these Canadians can't tell a Thomas Van Veen in the DC area, from a Thomas 
Rittenhouse in the NC Mountains either. That is understandable as we both have 
ancestors from Holland so are very hard to tell apart especially when one of us 
signs our posts "tv" and the other "graywolf". That makes it really truely hard 
to tell the difference.

If I was paranoid I would think my name was being used as an insult. Then TV and 
I would have to beat he bunny ears off you. But I think you probably just had 
enough to drink and it is time you went to bed.

(GRIN)

frank theriault wrote:

Just you wait, Thomas Rittehouse!



-frank



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pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Funny, all my Canadian friends know the bike guy in bunny ears.

They say you wear really tight shorts.

tv


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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread graywolf
When I lived in Oklahoma I was always being asked if I knew someone or another 
in Detroit where I grew up. They never seemed to be able to understand that the 
Detroit metro area had 5 times as many people as the whole state of Oklahoma. It 
is really a matter of where folks are from (village, town, city, metro-area) as 
to how they look at such things, not what nationality they are.

In fact there are Canadian's who think Toronto, ON is 4000 miles from Vancouver, 
BC when it is in fact 2491.6 miles by road (according to the "AAA Map&Go" 
software, shortist route). But what is 1500 miles between friends (GRIN)?

frank theriault wrote:

Hi, again,

Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which 
she is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small 
place, I didn't know it's that small.

And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the 
earlier post).

It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and 
mentioning how small your country's population is, reminds me of an 
ongoing Canadian joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every 
Canadian I know tells a story of visiting the US, and when the Americans 
find out we're from Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in 
Vancouver, maybe you've met them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, 
there are 35 million Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from 
Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins."

Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings 
anyway...  

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to the list
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:02 +
Sorry about the previous message. I hit the send button by accident.

I dont know Bjork personally. I've  only seen her a few times shopping 
and so
on.
The population of Iceland is only about 280 thousand, so sooner or 
later you
see everybody. For example, I met the president of Iceland at a kiosk the
other day.

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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we
>> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
>> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>>
>> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
>> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...
>
>Well, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but enemies...
>We have some decent stretches of driving in my little country too, and the
>distance itself is endurable. But UK traffic makes all of a difference.

Isn't there some little factoid somewhere about if you walk around the
entire boundary of Norway it's the same distance as from the Earth to the
moon? Bonus points if you find Slartibartfast's signature...




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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we 
>from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is 
>where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>
>"That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in 
>astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

Bloody hell! And I thought it was a long way to the chemist's...




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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Keith Whaley


frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Who posted earlier in the week that in North America, 100 years is a long
> time, and in England (or was it Europe?), 100 miles is a long way?
> 
> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we
> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
> 
> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

You'd never GET there in a weekend!

keith whaley
> 
> cheers,
> frank



Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread brooksdj
 Hi, Thrainn,
Welcome to the list. At times we can be very knowledgeable, and at 
minimal,entertaining,
at best

I too have just started with a used 6x7 and like it very much.I have been shooting 
E100vs
and some 
kodak neg film during the summer,but plan on doing B&w with it over the winter months.

Enjoy the emails.

Dave Brooks
> > From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: New to the list
> > >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
> > >
> > >Hi there,
> > >
> > >My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm
> > > Icelandic and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I
> > > started with an MX and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a
> > > MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the
> > > F100mm f2.8 macro, the 17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8
> > > Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
> > >
> > >I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning
> > > to use.
> > >
> > >I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days,
> > >but
> > >I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.
> > >
> > >Thrainn
> >
> > _
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Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we
> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>
> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

Well, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but enemies...
We have some decent stretches of driving in my little country too, and the
distance itself is endurable. But UK traffic makes all of a difference.

cheers,
Jostein



Re: New to the list

2003-10-19 Thread frank theriault
Who posted earlier in the week that in North America, 100 years is a long 
time, and in England (or was it Europe?), 100 miles is a long way?

Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we 
from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is 
where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.

"That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in 
astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

cheers,
frank


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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





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A friend of mine's parents had some relative coming over from England for a
visit. This was when travelling by steamer was more common than by air, and
the relatives were going to be landing in Halifax.
The friends parents recieved a wire asking if they could meet the relatives
on a particular day, when the ship arrived.
What with being in Regina and all, they wired back, asking if the people in
England could meet them instead, as they were closer...
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RE: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, 
> and mentioning 
> how small your country's population is, reminds me of an 
> ongoing Canadian 
> joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian 
> I know tells a 
> story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out 
> we're from Canada, 
> they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've 
> met them."  Of 
> course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million 
> Canadians, and Vancouver 
> is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins."

Funny, all my Canadian friends know the bike guy in bunny ears.

They say you wear really tight shorts.

tv
 



Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread mishka
thank god america is much more populous! (that has nothing to do
with president of Iceland, you know)
mishka

For example, I met the president of Iceland at a kiosk the 
other day.




Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread frank theriault
Hi, again,

Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which she 
is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small place, I 
didn't know it's that small.

And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the earlier 
post).

It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and mentioning 
how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing Canadian 
joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells a 
story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from Canada, 
they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met them."  Of 
course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million Canadians, and Vancouver 
is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins."

Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings anyway...  


cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to the list
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:02 +
Sorry about the previous message. I hit the send button by accident.

I dont know Bjork personally. I've  only seen her a few times shopping and 
so
on.
The population of Iceland is only about 280 thousand, so sooner or later 
you
see everybody. For example, I met the president of Iceland at a kiosk the
other day.

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Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread graywolf
Welcome aboard.

If you stay awhile you will find that folks here are mainly interested in Pentax 
 cameras, but we talk about all kinds of other things. We try to stay away from 
politics and religion as they get kind of abusive sometimes. About the only real 
rule we have, and it is really just kind of a gentleman's agreement, is not to 
post comments about Ebay ads unless you are the seller. No one wants a lot of 
competition for something they have their eye on.

The guy who runs the list is Doug Brewer, he kind of volunteered to take over 
when Pentax USA decided to drop it for liability reasons, so we owe the 
continued existence of the list to him. He is a nice guy and not much into 
controlling the list. He only removes folks for bouncing e-mails, so don't let 
your server get backed up.

Hope you enjoy hanging out with us.





Thrainn Vigfusson wrote:
Hi there,

My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm Icelandic 
and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I started with an MX 
and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along 
with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the F100mm f2.8 macro, the 
17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8 Ex and the 400mm f5.6. 

I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning to 
use.

I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days, but 
I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7. 

Thrainn



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Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread Thrainn Vigfusson
Sorry about the previous message. I hit the send button by accident.

I dont know Bjork personally. I've  only seen her a few times shopping and so 
on.
The population of Iceland is only about 280 thousand, so sooner or later you 
see everybody. For example, I met the president of Iceland at a kiosk the 
other day.

On Saturday 18 October 2003 21:18, frank theriault wrote:
> Hi, Thrainn,
>
> Icelanding, eh?  Do you know Bjork?  I think she's smokin'.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: New to the list
> >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
> >
> >Hi there,
> >
> >My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm
> > Icelandic and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I
> > started with an MX and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a
> > MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the
> > F100mm f2.8 macro, the 17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8
> > Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
> >
> >I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning
> > to use.
> >
> >I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days,
> >but
> >I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.
> >
> >Thrainn
>
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Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread Thrainn Vigfusson
On Saturday 18 October 2003 21:18, frank theriault wrote:
> Hi, Thrainn,
>
> Icelanding, eh?  Do you know Bjork?  I think she's smokin'.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: New to the list
> >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
> >
> >Hi there,
> >
> >My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm
> > Icelandic and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I
> > started with an MX and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a
> > MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the
> > F100mm f2.8 macro, the 17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8
> > Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
> >
> >I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning
> > to use.
> >
> >I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days,
> >but
> >I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.
> >
> >Thrainn
>
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Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread frank theriault
But, seriously, Thrainn,

Welcome to the list.  A few things to know:

First, ignore everything I say.  It's all pretty much trivial spewings (can 
you feel all the heads nodding up and down in agreement as you read this?).

Second, you'll learn lots about photography in general, and Pentax 
specifically, here.  There are many very knowledgeable members on this list. 
 Over the years (kripes, it ~has~ been years, hasn't it? ) I think I've 
learned more about photorgraphy from this list that from any other source.

Third, your gear puts you in very fine company here.  I only wish I had a 
6x7 system.  You are now officially a member of "The Brotherhood", which is 
what 6x7 owners have in all seriousness, dubbed themselves.  I believe that 
there will be an initiation ceremony at midnight tonight, and it involves 
mutilation of small animals (but I can't be sure, as I've not been an 
initiate, and insiders can't tell of the ceremony on pain of death).

And, lastly, Welcome Aboard!!

cheers,
frank from Toronto, Canada


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, Thrainn,

Icelanding, eh?  Do you know Bjork?  I think she's smokin'.

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Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Thrainn,

Icelanding, eh?  Do you know Bjork?  I think she's smokin'.

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New to the list
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
Hi there,

My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm Icelandic
and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I started with an MX
and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along
with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the F100mm f2.8 macro, the
17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8 Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning to
use.
I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days, 
but
I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.

Thrainn


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RE: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread David Madsen
Hi Thrainn,

I, too, am new to the list.  From one newbie to another, welcome.  My name
is Dave and I am from the US.

Dave Madsen




Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread Pat White
Hi, Thrainn, welcome to the list, and welcome to the Brotherhood of 6x7
owners.  I'm Pat, and I'm from Canada.

Brother Pat




Re: New to the list

2003-10-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi there.

My name is Boris and I am from Israel .

Welcome to the list.

Boris



Re: New to the list

2003-09-24 Thread frank theriault
Welcome aboard, Andre,

Your English is way better than my Portuguese!  (That's because I don't speak
Portuguese at all)  :-)

Besides, some of the worst English written here is from our members in
England.  Try reading some of Cotty's posts some time...  

You'll have fun, and learn a lot too.  Nice to have you here.

cheers,
frank from Toronto, Canada

Andre Albano wrote:

> Hi there, I'm new in the list.
>
> My name is André, I'm brazilian and I own a MZ-M (ZX-M) and a K1000 (that I
> use most of the time). Besides it's weight I worship that camera.
> I hope I can learn a lot here.
>
> P.S.: Sorry about my english, sometimes I think it sounds terrible.
>
> André

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-Jean Paul Sartre





Re: New to the list

2003-09-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Hi there, I'm new in the list.
>
>My name is André, I'm brazilian and I own a MZ-M (ZX-M) and a K1000 (that I
>use most of the time). Besides it's weight I worship that camera.
>I hope I can learn a lot here.


Hi André,

Welcome to the list.

>
>P.S.: Sorry about my english, sometimes I think it sounds terrible.

No worries, nobody here can hear you.




Cheers,
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Re: New to the list

2003-09-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Welcome. Your English is just fine, at least from my (Israeli born in 
Russia) point of view. You're bound to have much fun with these 
fellows.

Boris

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:13:44 -0700
 "Andre Albano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi there, I'm new in the list.

My name is André, I'm brazilian and I own a MZ-M (ZX-M) and a K1000 
(that I
use most of the time). Besides it's weight I worship that camera.
I hope I can learn a lot here.

P.S.: Sorry about my english, sometimes I think it sounds terrible.

André




Re: New to the list

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Brogden

Hi, and welcome to the list.  Don't worry about your English.  It sounds
fine to me, and as long we can understand what you're saying it doesn't
matter how you say it.

The K1000 is a great simple camera, though I have to admit that I *like*
its heaviness.  Feels more sturdy to me.

chris


On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Andre Albano wrote:

> Hi there, I'm new in the list.
>
> My name is André, I'm brazilian and I own a MZ-M (ZX-M) and a K1000 (that I
> use most of the time). Besides it's weight I worship that camera.
> I hope I can learn a lot here.
>
> P.S.: Sorry about my english, sometimes I think it sounds terrible.
>
>
> André
>



New to the list

2003-09-24 Thread Andre Albano
Hi there, I'm new in the list.

My name is André, I'm brazilian and I own a MZ-M (ZX-M) and a K1000 (that I
use most of the time). Besides it's weight I worship that camera.
I hope I can learn a lot here.

P.S.: Sorry about my english, sometimes I think it sounds terrible.


André



Re: new to the list

2002-11-25 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Glen O'Neal
Subject: RE: new to the list


> Ernst,
>
> Welcome to the list. Its nice to have you with us. Please
enjoy the engaging
> conversation and feel free to ask questions or offer advice
whenever you
> like.

And please, don't post in html.

William Robb




RE: new to the list

2002-11-24 Thread Glen O'Neal



Ernst,
 
Welcome to the list. Its nice to have you with us. Please enjoy the 
engaging conversation and feel free to ask questions or offer advice whenever 
you like. 
 
Welcome aboard,
Glen O'Neal

  -Original Message-From: Ernst Zerche 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:26 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: new to the 
  list
  
  Hi,
  after reading your messages on the list for 
  some time I eventually decided to join in. I hesitated because my English is 
  not so good, but I think you will be tolerant with an Austrian speaking 
  "Pentaxian".
  I started photography during my time as a 
  development worker abroad and my first camera in the early eighteens was a 
  Miranda Auto Sensorex EE, a gift of a good friend. On the way back home a 
  purchased my first Pentax, the medium format 6x7 in Hong Kong. By now I'm a Pentax enthusiast. 
  I like doing portraits, journey photography with my MZ-5n and Limited Lenses 
  and since two years with my LX as back up.
  I'm really impressed from the Limited Lenses. 
  I have made enlargements 50x70 from my slides and people, even the guy from my 
  favourite photo shop in town, asked me what kind of equipment I use, if it is 
  medium format. Then of course I confess proudly it is simply 35 mm Pentax 
  Limited!
  So I'm here, and I like this 
  community!


Re: new to the list

2002-11-23 Thread Kristian-H. Schuessler



To all PENTAXIAN: Please excuse me, if I'm not writing in 
English today.
 
 
Hallo Ernst,
 
ein herzliches "Grüß Gott" aus dem Schwarzwald - und wie Du siehst, kannst Du 
mit mir auch in Deutsch kommunizieren:
 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Mit Mittelformat 6/7 habe ich keine Erfahrung, nur in 
120/220  6/6
ROLLEI 2,8 E  und MAMIYA C 33.
 
PENTAX Limited Lenses besitze ich leider auch nicht, aber eine 
LX, mit der ich gelegentlich arbeite (Journalist und Bildreporter, 64 Jahre 
alt), und dann habe ich mehrere PENTAX K2- und  zwei K2 DMD-Gehäuse, die 
leider niemand mehr repariert, die also immer weniger werden.
 
Mit der ersten SPOTMATIC auf dem Markt  bin ich von EDIXA 
auf PENTAX umgestiegen,
finanziell bitter war dann der Umstieg vom Schraubgewinde aufs 
Bajonett. Hatte ein Leben lang kein Zoom und keinen Autofocus 
benutzt.
 
Meine Objektive mit Bajonett  F = 20   24   28 
  2x 35    MACRO 50   2x 85  105   
200  mm, im Laufe der Jahre angeschafft, natürlich nicht auf 
einmal.
 
Mit dem Alter wegen meiner schlechten Augen habe ich nun für 
Schwarz/weiß-Reportagen ein PENTAX 28-105
Zoom und  ein MZ-3 Gehäuse angeschafft. Später noch ein 
SIGMA 60 - 200. Und nun akzeptieren die Redaktionen nur 
noch 
Dateien und ich bin vor fünf Jahren zusätzlich noch mit 
Scanner und einer digitalen Camera eingestiegen. Das war eine sehr große 
Umstellung, vor allem, weil die Digitalen nicht schnell genug 
reagieren.
 
Alle guten Wünsche
"Gut Licht !"
Krstian-H. Schüssler

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ernst 
  Zerche 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:26 
  PM
  Subject: new to the list
  
  
  Hi,
  after reading your messages on the list for 
  some time I eventually decided to join in. I hesitated because my English is 
  not so good, but I think you will be tolerant with an Austrian speaking 
  “Pentaxian”.
   
   


Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread Cotty
Silly question, but is the film rewind button jammed into the 'up' 
position? If so, this would inhibit winding on...

HTH

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Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread Dr E D F Williams
You can probably get it off if you wear a rubber glove to get a grip. A pair
of pliers is not a good idea.

Don

Dr E D F Williams

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Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: new to the list, + a repair question


> "Stephanie Stiavetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >everyone, thanks for all of your input.
> >
> >I tried both of the suggestions below, as well as bruce's advice to lift
the
> >shutter manually, and nothing has worked.  I decided to take the silly
thing
> >apart (hell, it was free, and if nothing else it would be a learning
> >experience) but two of the screws are stuck and whoever tried to take
them
> >out before me destroyed the top of the screws so that no screwdriver will
> >grip them.
> >
> >how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a screwdriver won't
work?
> >there's got to be a way.
>
> Before you go any further you should  be aware that the cap on the pivot
of
> the wind lever (and the nut underneath it) is a left-hand thread, so you
> have to turn it the reverse of the normal direction to loosen and remove
it.
> (Turn it CLOCKWISE to remove it, in other words.)
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> www.robertstech.com
> Photography and writing
>





RE: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread gfen
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Stephanie Stiavetti wrote:
> how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a screwdriver won't work?
> there's got to be a way.

Hammer.

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Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread Mark Roberts
"Stephanie Stiavetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>everyone, thanks for all of your input.
>
>I tried both of the suggestions below, as well as bruce's advice to lift the
>shutter manually, and nothing has worked.  I decided to take the silly thing
>apart (hell, it was free, and if nothing else it would be a learning
>experience) but two of the screws are stuck and whoever tried to take them
>out before me destroyed the top of the screws so that no screwdriver will
>grip them.
>
>how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a screwdriver won't work?
>there's got to be a way.

Before you go any further you should  be aware that the cap on the pivot of
the wind lever (and the nut underneath it) is a left-hand thread, so you
have to turn it the reverse of the normal direction to loosen and remove it.
(Turn it CLOCKWISE to remove it, in other words.)

-- 
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www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing




Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread Dr E D F Williams
If the screws you are talking about are the three on the bottom plate they
are quite small. You'd need to drill holes for a screw extractor. You'd have
to make that -perhaps from a small (2 mm) square file? - without destroying
the threads. Of course it might be possible to re-tap the holes to 2 mm, but
I wouldn't like to try that. The original screws are 1,7 mm in diameter with
a threaded portion 2,5 mm long. Is there nothing left of the star at all?
Could you not get a sharp single bladed jewellers screwdriver (2 mm) into
what remains? To drill a hole for a screw extractor would be a very
difficult job.

When you do get the plate off how are you going to put it back? You'd need
to order new screws from Pentax. Incidentally you may be on the right track.
I think the mechanism that links mirror, shutter and cocking lever is simply
sticky. Most of this kind of trouble comes from two levers on the bottom of
the shaft not doing their job. Simple local CLA may be all that's needed.
Off course if the shutter is jamming its and entirely different kettle of
fish.

Don

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Stephanie Stiavetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: new to the list, + a repair question


> everyone, thanks for all of your input.
>
> I tried both of the suggestions below, as well as bruce's advice to lift
the
> shutter manually, and nothing has worked.  I decided to take the silly
thing
> apart (hell, it was free, and if nothing else it would be a learning
> experience) but two of the screws are stuck and whoever tried to take them
> out before me destroyed the top of the screws so that no screwdriver will
> grip them.
>
> how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a screwdriver won't
work?
> there's got to be a way.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:17 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: new to the list, + a repair question
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Stephanie Stiavetti
> > Subject: new to the list, + a repair question
> >
> > I tried to get one of my ME Supers to repeat your problem,
> > unsuccessfully. If the mirror is locked up, but you cannot
> > release the shutter, then the mechanism has come out of its
> > sequence. You could try to finish advancing the film by opening
> > the camera back and rolling the sprocket towards the take up
> > spool.
> > This might cause the shutter to complete it's cycle.
> > Or, you could paddle its bottom, that might jar the mechanism
> > into sequence.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
> > > on to my question:  I recently acquired an old, very loved,
> > Pentax ME
> > > Super SE.  the mirror is stuck in the up position and
> > replacing the
> > > batteries hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried to gently
> > dislodge the mirror
> > > and it will move back to the down position, but then it pops
> > right back
> > > up.  neither the shutter release or the film advance lever are
> > > functioning.
> >
> >
> >
>





Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-21 Thread Cotty
>Hi, Cotty,
>
>As opposed to my well reasoned (if brief) answer?  
>
>-frank
>
>Cotty wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephanie,
>>
>> Welcome aboard. Somone knowledgable will answer your questions presently.

LOL! I'm on the digest. I shouldn't make time sensitive responses. 
Apologies.

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Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Stephanie Stiavetti
Subject: RE: new to the list, + a repair question


> everyone, thanks for all of your input.
>
> I tried both of the suggestions below, as well as bruce's
advice to lift the
> shutter manually, and nothing has worked.  I decided to take
the silly thing
> apart (hell, it was free, and if nothing else it would be a
learning
> experience) but two of the screws are stuck and whoever tried
to take them
> out before me destroyed the top of the screws so that no
screwdriver will
> grip them.
>
> how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a
screwdriver won't work?
> there's got to be a way.

A drill.
For the screws that are in good shape, put the screwdriver onto
the screw and tap it lightly with a hard object, such as a tack
hammer. This will loosen the screw so it can be removed. There
are no user servicable parts inside the ME-Super, but you may
have fun dismantleing it.


William Robb





RE: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread Stephanie Stiavetti
everyone, thanks for all of your input.

I tried both of the suggestions below, as well as bruce's advice to lift the
shutter manually, and nothing has worked.  I decided to take the silly thing
apart (hell, it was free, and if nothing else it would be a learning
experience) but two of the screws are stuck and whoever tried to take them
out before me destroyed the top of the screws so that no screwdriver will
grip them.

how on earth do you get these tiny things out when a screwdriver won't work?
there's got to be a way.




> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: new to the list, + a repair question
>
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: Stephanie Stiavetti
> Subject: new to the list, + a repair question
>
> I tried to get one of my ME Supers to repeat your problem,
> unsuccessfully. If the mirror is locked up, but you cannot
> release the shutter, then the mechanism has come out of its
> sequence. You could try to finish advancing the film by opening
> the camera back and rolling the sprocket towards the take up
> spool.
> This might cause the shutter to complete it's cycle.
> Or, you could paddle its bottom, that might jar the mechanism
> into sequence.
>
> William Robb
>
>
> > on to my question:  I recently acquired an old, very loved,
> Pentax ME
> > Super SE.  the mirror is stuck in the up position and
> replacing the
> > batteries hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried to gently
> dislodge the mirror
> > and it will move back to the down position, but then it pops
> right back
> > up.  neither the shutter release or the film advance lever are
> > functioning.
>
>
>




Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Stephanie Stiavetti
Subject: new to the list, + a repair question

I tried to get one of my ME Supers to repeat your problem,
unsuccessfully. If the mirror is locked up, but you cannot
release the shutter, then the mechanism has come out of its
sequence. You could try to finish advancing the film by opening
the camera back and rolling the sprocket towards the take up
spool.
This might cause the shutter to complete it's cycle.
Or, you could paddle its bottom, that might jar the mechanism
into sequence.

William Robb


> on to my question:  I recently acquired an old, very loved,
Pentax ME
> Super SE.  the mirror is stuck in the up position and
replacing the
> batteries hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried to gently
dislodge the mirror
> and it will move back to the down position, but then it pops
right back
> up.  neither the shutter release or the film advance lever are
> functioning.





Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Bruce,

I know (that's why I put the little disclaimer in there) that the shutters are
different.  I just thought it was a cheap and easy thing to try.  Wouldn't
hurt, although might not help either.

My response to Cotty was just a joke...  

cheers,
frank

Bruce Rubenstein wrote:

> Well, if the jam is due to the shutter cycle not finishing, then it may not
> apply since the MX has a completly different shutter than the ME Super.
>
> BR
>
> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi, Cotty,
>
> As opposed to my well reasoned (if brief) answer?  
>
> -frank

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Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Well, if the jam is due to the shutter cycle not finishing, then it may not
apply since the MX has a completly different shutter than the ME Super.

BR

From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, Cotty,

As opposed to my well reasoned (if brief) answer?  

-frank






Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
One of the resons for the mirror not coming down, is that the thing that was
supposed to happen before the mirror drops, didn't happen. The thing that
has to happen first is that the shutter has to close. It may look like it's
down (rear curtain), but it may not be all the way down (I had this happen
with a Program Plus). I know of two ways to un jam it. The first is to hold
the camera in one hand, and smack the bottom of it into the heel of your
other hand. The other way is to lift the shutter curtain (leaves) and let
them drop back down. You can use a toothpick or a thin pick to lift it.

BR

From: Stephanie Stiavetti
...the mirror is stuck in the up position and replacing the
batteries hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried to gently dislodge the mirror
and it will move back to the down position, but then it pops right back
up.  neither the shutter release or the film advance lever are
functioning.






Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Cotty,

As opposed to my well reasoned (if brief) answer?  

-frank

Cotty wrote:

> Hi Stephanie,
>
> Welcome aboard. Somone knowledgable will answer your questions presently.
>

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fears it is true." -J. Robert
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Re: new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread Cotty
Hi Stephanie,

Welcome aboard. Somone knowledgable will answer your questions presently.

Cheers!

Cotty in the UK


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new to the list, + a repair question

2002-11-20 Thread Stephanie Stiavetti
I recently joined the list and have been watching your messages fly by at
light speed.  I figure now would be a good time to introduce myself.

I'm a photography enthusiast who recently started working toward an arts
degree, majoring in fine art/b&w.  I've had a camera around my neck for
the past three years and am hoping to one day be able to make a living in
the darkroom.  hey, I can dream, right?

anyways, I'm happy to find a community of what seems to be like-minded
individuals.

on to my question:  I recently acquired an old, very loved, Pentax ME
Super SE.  the mirror is stuck in the up position and replacing the
batteries hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried to gently dislodge the mirror
and it will move back to the down position, but then it pops right back
up.  neither the shutter release or the film advance lever are
functioning.

any ideas?  the camera was free, so throwing a few bucks at it won't be a
problem, or if there's a way that I (being fairly mechanically adept) can
repair it myself that would be great also.

~sjs




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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Scott Nelson

Pentax Stuff:
MZ5n
FA28-70 f/4
A50 f/1.7
FA 80-200 f/4.7-5.6
and I just bought a K 24 f/2.8 on ebay the other day.

Non Pentax stuff:
Manfrotto 190CL + 352RC ballhead
various UV filters, Polarizers, etc.
-Scott

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> Scott
> Good Morning , and welcome to the group. I live in Richmond, BC, so It's
> great to have another PDML'r in the area. BTW what equipment do you use?
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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Hi Scott,

Welcome aboard.

If you've been reading it for a while, you won't need telling that it's a 
very good bunch of people here. It's even better contributing, cos all of 
a sudden the most amazing range of opinions come plopping into your In 
Box and you soon find yourself sat more getting a typing RSI instead of 
'Winder's Finger' or 'Finder's Eye' :-)

Enjoy.

Cotty
>I've just joined the PDML.  I've been reading it for a little while, but now
>I decided to take the plunge.  I live in Vancouver, BC, and I've only been
>doing photography for just under a year.  I'm also an avid mountaineer, rock
>climber and backcountry skier, so most of my photography tends to be very
>outdoor oriented.  If anyone is interested in seeing some of my work, I've a
>a few photos up on www.bivouac.com, a canadian mountaineering website.  You
>will have to join the site as a member to see them though.  I'm looking
>forward to hearing from all of you, especially those in the Vancouver area.
>
>- -Scott


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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Welcome, Scott.
You'll enjoy this group.
It's "colorful".  (Or is that "colourful"?)



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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread James Adams

Scott
Good Morning , and welcome to the group. I live in Richmond, BC, so It's
great to have another PDML'r in the area. BTW what equipment do you use?
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Re: New to the list

2002-05-10 Thread kleickly

Greetings and welcome!

You certainly live in a beautiful place.  I've been there several times and 
was overwhelmed by the breathtaking scenery everywhere.  My daughter lives in 
the Pacific NW, so I try to get up to BC whenever I go to visit.  She keeps 
telling me I have to go to Whistler (one of her favorite places), but haven't 
have a chance as yet.

Enjoy the list.  Looking forward to seeing your photos in the PUG.

Kathy L
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New to the list

2002-05-09 Thread Scott Nelson

Hi everyone,

I've just joined the PDML.  I've been reading it for a little while, but now
I decided to take the plunge.  I live in Vancouver, BC, and I've only been
doing photography for just under a year.  I'm also an avid mountaineer, rock
climber and backcountry skier, so most of my photography tends to be very
outdoor oriented.  If anyone is interested in seeing some of my work, I've a
a few photos up on www.bivouac.com, a canadian mountaineering website.  You
will have to join the site as a member to see them though.  I'm looking
forward to hearing from all of you, especially those in the Vancouver area.

-Scott
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Re: New to the list

2001-04-16 Thread Rapture


Hi Eddie, welcome to the list.  I believe there are lurkers from both 
Malaysia and Singapore but its
good to hear from you.  I saw your three pics, love them.  Good patience 
there :)
I am now in Taiwan and Taiwan seems to import quite a substantial amount of 
MZ-3 Limited Black body
package(with 43mm).  Some Shops still have them and seems that no one wants 
to buy them.
I have checked with Cathay Photo and a couple others and they have no 
stock.  And Damn, you have
both lenses, envy!  Are you gonna get the 31mm Limited also?  Should be out 
in these 2 or 3 months.
MZ-S should be out in May over here.  Will email you separately once i get 
more time. Ciaos.

Jason


At 11:25 AM 4/12/2001 +0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>I have just subscribe to the list and discovered the images at PUG!! Very 
>nice!!
>I do mostly macrophotography and dabbled in some UV reflectance images. They
>can be seen at http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/windows/htmls/index9.htm
>showing macro shots of palm flowers not fruits as captioned. When I got my
>LX about 3-4 years ago, I sold off a lot of other equipment to purchase it
>and did not regret it at all. Since then I acquired the PZ1 SE, the
>43mmf1.9, 77mm f1.8 ...I don't know when this acquisition is going to end!!
>I have heard that MZ3 and the two lenses above now comes in black. Have not
>seen it yet!! The silver chrome ones complements my PZ1 very well. These
>lenses are beautiful and sharp!!
>Regards to all
>Eddie


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Re: New to the list

2001-04-12 Thread William Robb

Well thank you. All of us at the PUG are quite proud of the
response it recieves.
http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html
has submission guidelines
http://pug.komkon.org/general/themes.html
has the upcoming themes listed.
Thanks
William Robb
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Subject: Re: New to the list


> Will consider sending some images to the gallery
> after reading how to do it. My images have to be
> rescanned or scaled down to meet the requirements.
> I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed
> it tremendously!!
>
> Best Wishes
> Eddie


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Re: New to the list

2001-04-12 Thread Rfsindg

Welcome Eddie,

I saw your photos over at the site you mentioned, so you know how it works.  
Scaling stuff down is a simple resizing in almost anybody's software package. 
 You'll have a welcome audience for whatever you post.

Regards,  Bob S.

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 I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed
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 Best Wishes
 Eddie >>
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Re: New to the list

2001-04-12 Thread S B Teoh

Will consider sending some images to the gallery
after reading how to do it. My images have to be
rescanned or scaled down to meet the requirements.
I must add I visited the gallery again and enjoyed
it tremendously!! 

Best Wishes
Eddie





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Re: New to the list

2001-04-11 Thread S B Teoh

Hi All,
I have just subscribe to the list and discovered the images at PUG!! Very nice!!
I do mostly macrophotography and dabbled in some UV reflectance images. They
can be seen at http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/windows/htmls/index9.htm
showing macro shots of palm flowers not fruits as captioned. When I got my
LX about 3-4 years ago, I sold off a lot of other equipment to purchase it
and did not regret it at all. Since then I acquired the PZ1 SE, the
43mmf1.9, 77mm f1.8 ...I don't know when this acquisition is going to end!!
I have heard that MZ3 and the two lenses above now comes in black. Have not
seen it yet!! The silver chrome ones complements my PZ1 very well. These
lenses are beautiful and sharp!!
Regards to all
Eddie

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