Re: [Phono-L] Large Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet For Sale

[zonophone2006]

hi jerry

can you send some pictures

thanks

rob


-Original Message-
From: DeeDee Blais 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Large Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet For Sale




I am selling a large oak cylinder record cabinet for a friend.  The cabinet 
holds 216 cylinders and all but seven of the numbered pegs are still in the 
cabinet.  It is 21" wide, 20" deep, and stands 34.5" high and would look very 
nice with a Triumph or Opera.  The tiger oak is very attractive and I'm happy 
to 
send photos.  The price is $650 and I'm happy to deliver it to the CAPS sale.  
Please call 541-990-0781 or email jerry.bl...@yahoo.comThanks, Jerry Blais


  
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor VV-3X

[zonophone2006]

 hi all
i do have a table model with the x after it and it is real
around 1917 they did this in a model change
it is in the victor data book for that but not sure on your model


 


 

-Original Message-
From: Jay Horenstein 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VV-3X










I went to the Victor Victrola page and found no such animal. If it is indeed
real, it's something special.

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VV-3X

Very possible, they're turning up.
--Original Message--
From: Steven Medved
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
To: Phono-l
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VV-3X
Sent: Aug 6, 2009 9:18 AM


Chinese reproduction ID plate?
 
> Ok, this one has got me stumped, I have contacted a seller of a crank
victor phonograph with a top lid (I do not have any pictures of it) who is
insisting that it is a VV-3X according to the ID plate. Naturally I can find
nothing about this in LFTD or the Victor Data book. Has anyone ever heard of
this one? It is a real mystery to me. He says it looks like a typical Table
model with a top lid, and has looked at the ID plate 3 times to confirm that
Model number for me. What gives here? 
> 
> 
> Bruce 
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[Phono-L] EDISON IDELIA D-2

[Zonophone2006]

I am in the process of thinning out my collection and have an edison idelia 
 d-2 that i will be putting on ebay soon
if anyone is interested please contact me off list before i put it up
thank you
zono
 



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[Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

[zonophone2006]

hi

i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone here

does anyone have one

most of the parts are there except for a pump and the reproducer

at one time some one was making the pump

any help will be appreciated

thanks

zono
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Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

[zonophone2006]

 thank you andy but cant find a phone number for him


 


 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Baron 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone









Reid Welch in Miami would also know all about the details of this machine (if 
you can reach him).?
?

Andy?
?


On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:28 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:?
?

>?

> hi?

>?

> i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone here?

>?

> does anyone have one?

>?

> most of the parts are there except for a pump and the reproducer?

>?

> at one time some one was making the pump?

>?

> any help will be appreciated?

>?

> thanks?

>?

> zono?

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Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

[zonophone2006]

 thank you for all your help all


 


 

-Original Message-
From: John Maeder 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone











Paul Baker was making pumps.

> From: jay.horenst...@gmail.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:35:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone
> 
> Stan Stanford of Portland, and Jerry Blais of Albany Oregon each have
> beautifully restored Auxetophones. It might be worth a call to one of
> These gentlemen.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Baron
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:04 AM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone
> 
> Reid Welch in Miami would also know all about the details of this  
> machine (if you can reach him).
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:28 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >
> > hi
> >
> > i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone here
> >
> > does anyone have one
> >
> > most of the parts are there except for a pump and the reproducer
> >
> > at one time some one was making the pump
> >
> > any help will be appreciated
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > zono
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Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

[zonophone2006]

 ty


 


 

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From: muldwo...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone










 

You might want to contact Paul Baker.  He probably has what you need  or 
can help you find it.  His email address is _cla...@roadrunner.com_ 
(mailto:cla...@roadrunner.com) 
 
--Grant
 
In a message dated 8/19/2009 5:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
zonophone2...@aol.com writes:

hi

i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone  here

does anyone have one

most of the parts are there except for  a pump and the reproducer

at one time some one was making the  pump

any help will be  appreciated

thanks

zono




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Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

[zonophone2006]

 


 thank you
i will try to reach one or both of them


 

-Original Message-
From: Jay Horenstein 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone










Stan Stanford of Portland, and Jerry Blais of Albany Oregon each have
beautifully restored Auxetophones. It might be worth a call to one of
These gentlemen.

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:04 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

Reid Welch in Miami would also know all about the details of this  
machine (if you can reach him).

Andy


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>
> hi
>
> i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone here
>
> does anyone have one
>
> most of the parts are there except for a pump and the reproducer
>
> at one time some one was making the pump
>
> any help will be appreciated
>
> thanks
>
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Re: [Phono-L] An interesting observation

[Zonophone2006]

hi
no its accurate
i have been doing that for years
zono
 
 
In a message dated 8/28/2009 5:24:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:


Been  meaning to post this for a few days now...

I was recently
spinning  some discs on my Victor Orthophonic suitcase model, and it
dawned on me to  try something out.  I slipped a new needle into the
shank, and I  pulled it back out maybe a millimeter or so, just enough
to keep the blunt  end from resting against whatever it rests against
before tightening the  thumbscrew.  I immediately heard a noticeable
difference in volume  (maybe 1 to 2 dB), slightly wider frequency
response, and most  significantly, an openness (for lack of a better
word) I'd never heard  before on any windup phono.  It seemed like all
this time, something  was slightly constricting the diaphragm, just like
pretty much every windup  phono I've ever heard in person, and suddenly
there was a whole new freedom  to the sound pouring out of it.

Has anyone else ever tried/noticed  this?  Mr. Bogantz, is this my 
imagination?

Best to  all,
Robert
_
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Re: [Phono-L] Information Needed For 15.5 Regina Music Box Discs

[zonophone2006]

 check with porter music box


 


 

-Original Message-
From: kugl...@wmconnect.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:02 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Information Needed For 15.5 Regina Music Box Discs










Howdy friends.  I just purchased a coin operated Regina Music Box for the 
family.  Does anoyone have any 15.5 discs that they would like to sell?  
Also, where is the best place to purchase reproduction discs?  Any help much 
appreciated!  Thanks.

Brantley
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[Phono-L] HERE IS BARBARA HUMMELS NOTICE

[zonophone2006]

WWW.VANDERMAY.COM

JUST CLICK ON HER NAME

VERY NICE 
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Re: [Phono-L] Pathe 16" Giant Records

[zonophone2006]

hi

i had mine shipping and he put them between two pieces of hard board or masonite

and they came from france 

shipping was expensive but they came with no damage

zono


-Original Message-
From: Glenn Longwell 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe 16" Giant Records




I've been contacted by someone who has two of these 16" Pathe records and two 
Music Service Co. Inc. records pressed by Pathe.? I'm thinking of making an 
offer on them but am concerned about having them shipped.? What are they made 
of?? Are they shellac and unlikely to make a journey through the post office?? 
I 
can guide them on shipping methods but people don't?always listen completely!? 
What do these go for?? Playing them will be a different dilemna but I'll deal 
with that later.

Thanks,
Glenn
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs and related advertisements for sale

[Zonophone2006]

merle 
did you or anyone see kurts new catalog
some rare bubble books in this time
zono
hope to see all at wayne
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2009 4:25:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
msprin...@juno.com writes:

Hi  Everyone --
It's fall cleaning time around here, and I've got some  phonographs and 
advertising material for sale.  I'll be going to Wayne  and can bring them 
along (or otherwise ship them, of course), and I'm happy to  send photos.  
Here's what I have:
PHONOGRAPHS
1.  Vanophone --  Good working order and all parts original (at least as 
far as I can  tell).  This is the version without the speed control slider on 
the  front.  $345.
2.  Mikkyphone -- The gasket that holds the  reproducer to the tone arm 
will need to be replaced, but otherwise in good  working order and all parts 
original (at least as far as I can tell).   This is the more valuable version 
with the "Made in Occupied Japan" label on  it.  The plastic carrying handle 
is also there and in perfect  condition.  $295
3.  Baby Jeannette -- This is a child's tin and  cast iron phonograph, and 
it's in pretty rough shape.  The key is not  original but everything else 
looks to be, including the reproducer and tone  arm.  I don't know enough to 
know whether it works.  $95
4.   Polly Portable phonograph -- This is the one with the paper 
collapsible horn,  which is missing.  The carrying handle on the case has also 
been  
replaced.  Otherwise everything else is there and original.  A good  machine 
for parts.  $85
ADVERTISEMENTS
1.  Orthophonic  Victrolas Electrolas and Radiola Combinations -- A 
sixteen-page catalog  featuring all the new models from Victor, dated 1925.  
It's 
in really  good condition with a protective sleeve.  $50
2.  A two-sided  advertisement for a Victrola No. 4 Sound Box -- 
Multi-colored flyer with a  drawing of the sound box on one side and an 
illustration 
and description of  the change in the horn and tone chamber made in Victor 
phonographs in August  1925.  $15
If you're interested in any of these, please contact me  off-list.
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Re: [Phono-L] Courtesty

[Zonophone2006]

now lets talk diamond disk
i am using pledge on them to clean them up
in edisons book on disk it said they were lube before they left the  factory
any comments

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Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser

[Zonophone2006]

i have one i got in florida but its a 45
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 9:45:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
appywan...@hotmail.com writes:

Indiana  -- where I now live -- had the highest Klan membership of any 
state during the  1920's Klan hey-dey.
I was just in a shop in rural Indiana and spotted a  'KKK' 78rpm record. 

> From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
> To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:19:34 +
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser
>  
> 
> Good point, Rich.  Actually, Les Docks (the Record  Pricing Guide guy) 
told me that in his native Michigan, it was what he  considered "a hotbed of 
Klan activity."  I found that astounding.  I  suppose, just like smart, kind, 
and gracious people, stupid people are  everywhere too!
> 
> Bless their hearts.  (Now THAT'S  Southern.)  :)
> 
> r.
> 
> 
> > Date:  Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:53:56 -0500
> > From:  rich-m...@octoxol.com
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser
>  > 
> > Don't limit yourself to just the south for having these  views/thoughts.
> >   ..."referring to individuals who live  in the 60's in terms of racial 
> > prejudice, of which I encounter  many in my day-to-day life here in the 
> > South, who come up with  (and believe in) even wackier stuff than this."
> > 
> >  john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > > Oh, ok thanks!
>
>  _
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Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser

[Zonophone2006]

so true 
my partners are from detroit and talk about a bad attitude for prejudice  
but they were mugged and robbed a lot there
i believe we all bleed the same
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:


Good  point, Rich.  Actually, Les Docks (the Record Pricing Guide guy) told 
me  that in his native Michigan, it was what he considered "a hotbed of 
Klan  activity."  I found that astounding.  I suppose, just like smart,  kind, 
and gracious people, stupid people are everywhere too!

Bless  their hearts.  (Now THAT'S Southern.)  :)

r.


>  Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:53:56 -0500
> From:  rich-m...@octoxol.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser
> 
>  Don't limit yourself to just the south for having these  views/thoughts.
>   ..."referring to individuals who live in  the 60's in terms of racial 
> prejudice, of which I encounter many in  my day-to-day life here in the 
> South, who come up with (and believe  in) even wackier stuff than this."
> 
> john9...@pacbell.net  wrote:
> > Oh, ok thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Photos of Andy's VV-XVIII

[Zonophone2006]

waves has one on ebay
he was offering it for 3600 at wayne
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 4:18:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes:

Andy,
Great score and great machine! Your lucky because you get to  feel good  
every time you look at it! I got a couple of machines that  I get that  
good feeling from.

Steve  Andersen
http://www.theedisonshop.com
On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:41 PM,  bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:

> Absolutely Gorgeous !! What a  splendid example of top the line  
> Victor Cabinetry at its best  !!
>
> Bruce
> - Original Message -
> From:  "Andrew Baron" 
> To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
> Cc: "Greg Lockwood"  
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:13:40  PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Phono-L] Photos of Andy's  VV-XVIII
>
> Hi all and many thanks for your thoughtful comments  on my XVIII story.
>
> The phonograph continues to give pleasure.  I overhauled the
> reproducer, set the speed with a strobe disc, and  have played perhaps
> two dozen sides by now; listening as I continue to  clean, polish and
> fuss over its cosmetic issues.
>
> This  is the first time I've used an image-hosting service, so I hope
> it  works for those interested in viewing the machine. Viewing the
> photos  shouldn't require any kind of log-in. You can double-click
> each image  to see it large, and also drag the entire browser window
> larger, which  will stretch the photos even bigger. If there's
> something pertinent to  be aware of that relates to a particular image,
> I've put in a brief  sentence or two that should appear below some of
> them.
>
>  You can see in the images that I "borrowed" the lower key escutcheon
>  from my XVII. Still looking for one of these if anyone has one.
>  Finally, the "before" series of pictures isn't a true untouched view.
>  I had already done a quickie clean up to get the first layer of grime
>  off when the before photos were shot. The after 1st cleanup photos
>  show it as it looks right now. There's still work to be done as can
> be  seen.
>
> Here's the link:
>  
http://s599.photobucket.com/albums/tt71/andybaron_photos/Victor%20VV-XVIII/
>
>  If for some reason it doesn't work for you, let me know.
>
> Best  to all,
> Andy Baron
> Santa Fe
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Re: [Phono-L] Courtesty

[Zonophone2006]

hi steve
a friend had read it in the edison diamond disk book by george frow
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 9:35:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


What  book and where does it say the records were lubed?  

The reason I  am interested, I have recently been thinking that DD's would 
likely benefit  from a lube.  I have written with a man that said he had 
used Pledge on  his wax cylinder records for 20 years with no adverse affects.

I  appreciate you post because I find it interesting.

Pledge has  HYDROTREATED HEAVY NAPHTHA, I have no idea how it would affect 
the record  surfaces.   

http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/safety/MSDS/PLEDGE%20LEMON.htm

>  From: zonophone2...@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:56:34  -0400
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Courtesty
> 
> now lets talk diamond disk
> i am using  pledge on them to clean them up
> in edisons book on disk it said they  were lube before they left the  
factory
> any comments
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??

[Zonophone2006]

hi glen
i agree with this
i paid 450 for one about 7 years ago  but the metal horn on this is at  
least 450 
if it is in good shape
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2009 12:10:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi Glen,  the machine is worth around $900. It's a fairly late machine and 
needs a good  cleaning. The BNW is a scarce machine. You don't see to many 
of these. I also  have a late BNW and I paid $900 for mine. Hopes this will 
help you. Good luck  with your purchase. Harvey  Kravitz





From: Glenn  Longwell 
To: Antique Phonograph List  
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:21:53  AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??

Hey folks, looking for  some help.  I have an opportunity to acquire a 
Columbia BNW.  What's  the going rate for one of these for a fair offer?  
Pictures are up on my  website at

http://www.majesticrecord.com/columbiabnw.htm.

This  would be my first outside horn disc machine.  So am out of touch on  
values.  I'm also figuring it's a BNW based on Columbia Phonograph  
Companion by Robert Baumbach.  Corrections welcome.

Thanks for  your  help.

Glenn
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book

[zonophone2006]

 hi
follow ebay 
there have been three of them on there in the last year
they seem to go for about 150 now
boy i am glad i got mine when it came out
zono

 

 

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From: kugl...@wmconnect.com
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Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book










Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 
help very much appreciated.  Thanks.

Brantley
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book

[zonophone2006]

 hi
the book was only about 40 new
at shows and on ebay i have seen it for about 150

 

 

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From: Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book









Is the book really worth $625 to $900?  One dealer has one for $1,600!! 
 

Ray 
 


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Medved"  

To: "Phono-l"  

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:14 PM 

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book 
 


> 

> http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip=
>  

> 

> 

> 

>> From: kugl...@wmconnect.com 

>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500 

>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 

>> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book 

>> 

>> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 

>> help very much appreciated.  Thanks. 

>> 

>> Brantley 

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[Phono-L] hello all

[Zonophone2006]

i just picked up on ebay a talking book from canada
joan and robin you may know
its the watermelon coon and the front banner is blank but the back and  
front are the same as the us version other than the canadian address
in 1919 was canada pc in not putting the title on the front
there is no erasure of the title it just was never printed on it
thanks
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

[Zonophone2006]

HI
CHECK WITH RON SITKO
HE HAS LOTS OF PARTS
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2009 7:58:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
agw1...@aol.com writes:

Hello  Friends,
I have a 1923 Victorola VV-VI that needs a crank, crank  hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with  the ball bearing 
cage 
for the arm swivel.
The crank must be male  threaded and the distance from the crank reciever 
in the motor to the  outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
Can anyone help me find  same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE  ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE  STORIES
http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html
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Re: [Phono-L] Christmas miracle

[Zonophone2006]

PROBABLY THE SELLER
LOL
ZONO
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2009 3:19:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bruce78...@comcast.net writes:

I hope  they come forward and Identify themselves, we certainly need 
something  outrageous and provocative and crazy like this to finally displace 
Tiger Woods  from the top of the headlines every evening !! 
- Original Message  - 
From: "Jay Horenstein"  
To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 1:39:35 PM GMT -05:00  US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [Phono-L] Christmas miracle 

Well...the  $70,000 shroud of Jesus Silvertone auction has ended. I wonder 
who the  blessed winner is? 

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor II on ebay

[Zonophone2006]

HI ALL
it appears to me that all the nickel is off 
it does not appear to be gold plated
zono
 
 
In a message dated 12/14/2009 4:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bruce78...@comcast.net writes:

=370303962111

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Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867

[zonophone2006]

 brice 
i so agree with you
ebay is cavet emptor
and this machine was cheap enough even if just for parts
i am sure we have all spent more than that on a meal out
happy holidays to all
zono

 

 

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From: brice paris 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867


I am a little shocked here.  Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to 
be misrepresented and the pictures are clear.  A bidder has a responsibility to 
follow through on their contract  win or lose.   What am I missing???





From: William Buchanan 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867

Friends,

It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that 
it 
was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real 
Victrola I will have no problems paying him.

Can somebody tell me what I purchased?

Ebay item 220523099867

They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this?

Thank you Bill 



  
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Re: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think

[Zonophone2006]

ger 
 
_Michigan Antique  Phonograph Society_ 
(http://www.michiganantiquephonographsociety.org/)  
 
you should go to one of the phono shows in the spring
there is one in wayne new jersey and i believe lynn bilton still has one in 
 connecticut about 50 mile south of you down rte 7
you may be able to find it on maps link
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2009 10:14:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ge...@comcast.net writes:

The poor  London model of Edison's Diamond Disc machine looks like it had 
been tortured.  The vertical section was there afterall, but a cable, wood 
block and some  other things (part going into the horn) were missing. Someone 
had SOLDERED the  horn on the top to another piece (sloppy shiney solder), I 
guess to keep it  from dragging...poor soul of a machine. My impression is 
that without ALL the  parts, there would be stress on both the record 
grooves and the diamond  reproducer, which would be forced to take on the 
burden 
of moving the heavy  pieces across the record...at least that's the way it 
seems to me.  

Needless to say, the machine still sits with the seller...who is now a  bit 
wiser, since I shared the photo and what I knew with her. She seemed not  
at all disappointed and actually fascinated to learn something about the poor 
 mess.

As for its WEIGHT. I've got an "AH-HAH!" I took the flashlight  and checked 
out the left side where the 24 slots for records was. I could see  that 2, 
that's TWO, thick metal weights were in place behind the slots. They  went 
across the back, one high, one low. This was probably to balance the  weight 
of the phono in the right-sided compartment. BOTH sides were equally  heavy, 
and I mean heavy! I could not lift one corner. Wow, was all I could  say.

But again. This was a fun adventure and learning experience which  didn't 
cost many bucks. It would not have been either without the help of this  
great group. :)

I will, however, now keep an eye out for an Edison  (table model) which 
could play my records! And I think I know a little bit  about how these 
machines work...not a lot, but enough probably to just get  into more trouble. 
LOL 
Oh, and I will wash the records with denatured alcohol  before I put them 
away. 

One last question on STORAGE: Store records  flat, right? 
But what do you put between them, and is a paper box OK  ?

Thank you  all,
Ger

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Re: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed

[zonophone2006]

 HI BILL
welcome to the list
great car you have too
lets get glen on the list too
happy holidays
rob in florida

 

 

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From: zucc...@comcast.net
To: PhonoList 
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed




Hello everyone on Phono-L: 



I am a new subscriber to Phono-L and would like to introduce myself.  I live in 
Vermont and am primarily a collector of records (1920s hot dance & jazz, as 
well 
as film soundtrack and early radio discs) but I have a few machines and love 
listening to them. 



Victor Credenza story: I always took with a grain of salt any story I heard 
about how wonderful it was to listen to early electrical records on a Victor 
Credenza preferring to use my nice Numark turntable, a truncated 2.5 mil 
stylus, 
my Souvenir noise reduction unit, and nice, quiet amp.  I was quite vocal about 
this too whenever the subject of playing records and cylinders on original 
equipment came up for discussion.  But then I heard a scroll Victor "Gems from 
Rio Rita" played on a friend's Credenza , one that had been properly restored , 
and I couldn't believe the warmth and depth of the sound. I bought one and 
restored it and while I wouldn't play my best store stock records on it, I do 
have several crates of late '20s scroll Victors that listen to on the big 
machine.  



That leads me to a request.  I have acquired a second full-sized Credenza that 
is without its backboard and wonder if anyone on the list might have one 
available so I can complete its restoration.  If you do, please contact me 
privately at 



zuccawt @comcast.net 



Best regards to everyone and Happy New Year. 



Bill Zucca 
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Re: [Phono-L] 1904 Edison triumph A with automatic reproducer

[Zonophone2006]

HOPE HE GETS IT
TOO BAD ITS NOT A MOBLEY OR FLETCHER REPRODUCER
M
ZONO
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:37:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Triumph-Model-A-Cylinder-Machine-RARE_W0QQitemZ17
0426053885  

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Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs

[zonophone2006]

i agree with you steve
and it took me over a year to get a settlement from them for a victor m  
motor that was broken in transit
best to all
zono
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2010 5:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


I  highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will 
be sent  UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground.  I have had 2 triumphs and 
an  order of auto parts damaged by UPS.  UPS is wonderful for small, light  
parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic  
alligator mouth sorting system.

Save a phono, use Fed Ex.  Also  Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if 
there is an accident.   

Steve



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Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs

[zonophone2006]

hi all
on bigger items, believe it or not, i have used greyhound and not had any  
problem and its very cost effective
i agree on the fork lift problem
i had one victor one cabinet sent to me from vermont to florida that had a  
gaping hole in the back of it from a fork lift and ups was the provider in 
this  case
zono
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:43:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
abefed...@gmail.com writes:

Hi  All,
I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have  been in
the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others  and the
fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any  form of 
bad
treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4  years and 
UPS-6
years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight  company that deals
in special shipment of special goods. The stories he  told of both companies
made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I  build a box that will
make it almost anywhere and my last item still did  not get there. They 
drive
a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4  plywood for sides. 3 months
later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But  they did EVERYTHING they
could to keep from paying the claim. Photos  showing how the crate was put
together shamed them and a bit of advice from  my nephew to stay on them at
least twice a week really worked.

For  our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should  get
there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or  pay
the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive  machines 
it
is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it  really to
expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working  through that on 
a
machine now.

But bottom line on a common carrier  youse pays your money and takes your
chances

Happy New  Year
Abe

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff   wrote:

> Steve-
> FedEx  does  not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this
> past  year I shipped a  banner front  Edison Home in 3 boxes with  each
> carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for  the 
case,
> one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism  was badly 
damaged
> when  the tines of a fork lift  went  completely through the center of its
> box. The motor frame was broken  into pieces and  the bolts holding the 
motor
> frame to the  bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a
> machine  via FedEx!
> Bill
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM,  Steven Medved wrote:
>
>
>> I highly recommend if anyone  purchases a phono that the seller says will
>> be sent UPS, ask them  to send it Fed Ex ground.  I have had 2 triumphs 
and
>> an order  of auto parts damaged by UPS.  UPS is wonderful for small,  
light
>> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by  their automatic
>> alligator mouth sorting  system.
>>
>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex.  Also Fed Ex is  much easier to collect from if
>> there is an  accident.
>>
>>  Steve
>>
>>
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Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing

[zonophone2006]

 kurt nauck has them on her auction list on occassion
i have about 5 
they are interesting 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Glenn Longwell 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:56 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing


A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent 
phonograph.  Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record 
brand.  Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral.  
Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the 
machine was purchased in Rhode Island.
 
Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no 
Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me.  
I 
have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the phonograph:
 
www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm
 
This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had 
originally guessed.  The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well 
as citing 8 inch double sided records.  I wonder if these were Crescents, or 
Operaphones.  What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a 
phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph.  It shows a reproducer set up 
to play vertical records.  Can anyone identify it?
 
Thanks,
Glenn
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[Phono-L] hi just trying to get hold of the rolfs

[zonophone2006]

hi joan and rob
just seeing if you are coming to the florida show
rob
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[Phono-L] victrola electric 18

[zonophone2006]

 hi all
i just purchased a  electrola 18
does any one have a set of instruction books for this
its a different on and off control and trying to figure out how it is set up
thanks
zono

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Re: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record

[zonophone2006]

 

 HI ALL
i was a bidder on this 
i purchased one on ebay a few months ago that was mint
this one had tearing and damage but still a good one
the canadians did not allow the title on the front as the american version has 
it
zono


 

 

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From: Mike Stitt 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record


Yes it does seem they have dropped a little.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM,  wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Watermelon-coon-Talking-book-record-1919-antique_W0QQitemZ120525550961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item1c0fe1f571QQautorefreshZtrue
>
> This unusual Talking book selection from 1919 just sold for almost $200.00
> on ebay.
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Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

[Zonophone2006]

now i used to own a cathedral  upright phono
zono
 
 
In a message dated 2/9/2010 3:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ediso...@verizon.net writes:

Ah, the  Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? )Now we need to see a  
house shaped like a phono !


- Original Message -  
From: "Glenn Longwell" 
To: "Antique  Phonograph List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09,  2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped  like a house


Here's another one for your viewing  pleasure...

I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and  took pictures. 
The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand  dollars for it. It 
didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this  particular dealer  brought.

www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm

Glenn

--- On  Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault  wrote:


From: Ron  L'Herault 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen  everything. Phono shaped like a house
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'"  
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04  PM


Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there  somewhere?

Ron

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From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04  AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything.  Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something  interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black  Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John  Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

[Zonophone2006]

HI ALL
For my two cents
i have a corvette and a avalanche
they are both great cars and great mileage on the vette
the avalanche is a great truck but the mileage is not 
seems all cars have some problems
i e the nissans and toyotas in the news lately too
its a mechanical device and like even phonographs can have some  problems
just my thoughts
zono
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:41:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jim...@earthlink.net writes:

Hybrids  are not yet what they are cracked up to be.I had an 2006  Lexus
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was  consistently 6
- 8 miles below its rated mileage. I  don't think hybrid technology is
yet perfected. One  should wait for the next generation hybrids with
more efficient batteries,  etc.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances,  Inc.

jim...@earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
>  From: Ron L'Herault 
> To: Antique Phonograph  List 
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07  PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> nice, but more  expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
> mileage.   I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.  
I
>  wish I could afford a hybrid.
>
> Ron L
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  john9...@pacbell.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
> To:  Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Vehicle?
>
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats,  lotsa features, I can
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love  mine!
> John Robles
> --Original Message--
> From:  Ron L'Herault
> Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
> To:  'Antique Phonograph List'
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20  PM
>
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a  common upright
> Victrola.   It fills all my other  criteria.What about the Kia Soul?
and
> doesn't Hyundai  have a hatchback?
>
> Ron L
>
> -Original  Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  jim...@earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To:  Phono-L@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I am  on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice  
of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul  antique
> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to  transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond  Disc Phonograph (C-250) as
well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I  need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to  use my 1969 GMC
pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4  cylinder vehicle & have looked at
Hondas
> (all of which  have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I  consider
unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 &  Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines)  & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it
might
> be nice to  get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim  Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
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[Phono-L] Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury

[Zonophone2006]

 
  

 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
To: ladynids...@aol.com,  zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: 3/16/2010 4:56:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury





  

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CC:  lawrence.dub...@uvm.edu, jmvill...@aol.com, big...@suscom-maine.net,  
musicalland...@charter.net, cfkri...@hotmail.com, mmleve...@earthlink.net,  
ascob...@aol.com, markely...@earthlink.net, fran...@dishmail.net,  
recordp...@aol.com, lkras...@optonline.net
Sent: 3/16/2010 2:30:26 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Story about Ken Woodbury


Hello, everyone.
I  was chatting with Ken Woodbury today about the one-month-away Wayne  
show.  I mentioned the upcoming anniversary of Ken's heart attack  at a prior 
April show and he led me to this link which provides  some insight into what 
happened to him that fateful day.  He was  technically dead on the floor at 
the PAL and was brought back to happier  times and a normal life, all 
through the experimental new "cool technology"  described in this article. I 
thought some of you would enjoy reading it, as  I did.
Glen Gurwit 

_http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts_ 
(http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hearts) 

_ggur...@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ggur...@hotmail.com) 


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[Phono-L] Fwd: Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury

[Zonophone2006]

 
  

 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
Reply-to: phono-l@oldcrank.org
To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:41:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: [Phono-L] Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury







From: zonophone2...@aol.com
To:  ladynids...@aol.com,  zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: 3/16/2010 4:56:44  P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Fwd: Story about Ken  Woodbury







From: ggur...@hotmail.com
To:  mid...@earthlink.net,  zonophone2...@aol.com, d...@dgio.net,  
bauerk...@msn.com, na...@78rpm.com,  ps...@us.ibm.com,  
corni...@comcast.net, 
l...@intertique.com,  mbr...@catamountarts.org,  78rpm...@comcast.net
CC:  lawrence.dub...@uvm.edu, jmvill...@aol.com,  big...@suscom-maine.net,  
musicalland...@charter.net,  cfkri...@hotmail.com, mmleve...@earthlink.net, 
 
ascob...@aol.com,  markely...@earthlink.net, fran...@dishmail.net,  
recordp...@aol.com,  lkras...@optonline.net
Sent: 3/16/2010 2:30:26 P.M.  Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Story about Ken Woodbury


Hello, everyone.
I   was chatting with Ken Woodbury today about the one-month-away Wayne   
show.  I mentioned the upcoming anniversary of Ken's heart  attack  at a 
prior 
April show and he led me to this link which  provides  some insight into 
what 
happened to him that fateful  day.  He was  technically dead on the floor 
at 
the PAL and was  brought back to happier  times and a normal life, all 
through the  experimental new "cool technology"  described in this article. 
I  
thought some of you would enjoy reading it, as  I did.
Glen Gurwit  

_http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts_  
(http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts)  

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[Phono-L] hello all

[Zonophone2006]

hi
a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named  
stilek in canada
does anyone have his email
thanks
zono
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Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm

[Zonophone2006]

its an interesting machine
i have one and know of quite a few out there
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/18/2010 7:41:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bruce78...@comcast.net writes:

Good  Luck with your sale Bob, I went to the link and that is really 
fascinating  alternate sound technology for its time. Wonder how many of the 
actual units  still survive. 

Bruce 
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob"   
To: "Phono L List"   
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:15:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern  
Subject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm 

I am in the process of  downsizing and am selling off miscellaneous 
phonograph items. I have a  complete tone arm and diaphragm for a Vitaphone 
phonograph. I know this design  was manufactured and sold in Canada from 1913 
to 
1916. It is unusual in that  the tone arm did not contain the diaphragm. It 
was mounted in a stand at the  rear of the arm. The arm is made of wood and it 
vibrated. The vibrations were  transferred to the diaphragm which is 
mounted at the rear of the arm. My arm  is similar to those shown at  
http://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html According to this web  
sight the 
tone arm was capable of playing both lateral and vertical cut  records. I 
can supply pictures of my parts to anyone that is seriously  interested in 
it. I don't have an idea of the value of this piece so I will  sell it to the 
highest offer I receive. If you are interested, email me at  
rvu...@comcast.net and I will provide detailed pictures of my part.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside?

[zonophone2006]

 HI JOHN
you did right 
a triumph is a good machine but does take up alot of room
if it had been an idelia that would be different but the fireside is a nice one 
with a good horn and more compact
kudos
zono

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john robles 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:44 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside?


Hi everyone, and a very nice Sunday to you all.
I went to our Golden State Phonograph Society (California MAPS Chapter) club 
meeting at Ron Dethlefson's house yesterday, and as we usually offer things for 
sale, I took my Triumph model B with 2/4 conversion, model H reproducer and 
repro 14" horn and my Fireside A with orig Fireside horn in very nice 
condition. 
I had only taken the Fireside because a friend was going to bring me a Fireside 
crane so I could hang the horn. I took the Triumph on a whim. So what happened 
is that I ended up choosing between them. I sold the Triumph and kept the 
Fireside. The Triumph takes a huge bite out of my room with the MG horn, and I 
don't like it with the 14" horn. The Fireside looks great with a very nice 
original red horn I got recently. Lots of paint on the horn. And the machine 
plays great. So although the Triumph is a nice heavy duty machine, very nice 
condition, 2/4, I still preferred the Fireside. Now for the question - 
Have you ever made a choice between a more valuable and rarer machine and a 
less 
valuable and more common machine? and if so, which one did you keep?
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside?

[zonophone2006]

 my best one was when i bought my triumph and was new to collecting i was 
offered a mahogany triumph and a oak one for the same price and a friend 
convinced me to buy the oak
if i had only known forty years ago
lol
zono

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Back 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside?


Opera or Fireside?   Let me think about it.  ;-)

But seriously, yes.for my first cylinder machine, 28 years ago, I picked an 
Edison Standard A over a 4 clip Standard.  It was pointed out to me that the 
particular 4 clip was a much quieter machine, not to mention probably more 
valuable as it was older than the Standard A.  They were both the same price. 

As I said, I picked the Standard A because it had the nice, large Edison banner.

BTWmy wife bought this for me as a wedding present 28 years ago.

:-)

Dennis 



  
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Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside?

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
i have a d2 triumph but believe it for not it never had a cygnet
my cygnet is on my idelia and my concert / opera
the concert is my workhouse
its the best for playing ba s
the idelia is a nice machine but more for show than use
all it is is a glorified triumph
anyway they are all fun to own
best to all
zono
 
 
In a message dated 4/19/2010 4:57:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes:

In my  case, I'll take my Triumph with a wood Cygnet horn. When I first 
started  collecting over 20 years ago, my first cylinder machine was a 
Fireside. It  plays good and is compact. I was living in the barracks at the 
Bremerton Navy  yard. I still have that machine. I really didn't care if I had 
a 
Triumph or  not I couldn't afford one.  A few years down the road, I got a 
Triumph  Model D with the oak Cygnet horn and reproducer really cheap. I like 
the  Cygnet horn because it doesn't take up a lot of room like a Triumph 
morning  glory horn will take. That about the closest I'll have to an Opera. 
Maybe I'll  get lucky and stumble into an Opera.

Harvey  Kravitz





From: Dennis  Back 
To: Antique Phonograph List  
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 6:05:59  PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or  Fireside?

Opera or Fireside?   Let me think about it.   ;-)

But seriously, yes.for my first cylinder machine, 28 years ago,  I 
picked an Edison Standard A over a 4 clip Standard.  It was pointed out  to me 
that the particular 4 clip was a much quieter machine, not to mention  
probably more valuable as it was older than the Standard A.  They were  both 
the 
same price. 

As I said, I picked the Standard A because it had  the nice, large Edison 
banner.

BTWmy wife bought this for me as a  wedding present 28 years ago.

:-)

Dennis 




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Re: [Phono-L] hello all - Berliner Repro Parts

[zonophone2006]

 THANK YOU
i am ordering some parts but he is almost out of the business 
thanks
rob

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Angstman 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 12:00 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all - Berliner Repro Parts



Ken,

 

I bought some repro parts from Miroslav Stehlik in Canada. He makes the fibre 
gears and most, if not all of the replacement parts.

His email address is: m.steh...@sentex.ca 

 

Curt
 
> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:36:14 -0700
> From: phonogra...@charter.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Good to hear from you. sorry I don't have any guts for a Berliner. I have a 
repro case, tone arm and traveling arm. 
> 
> Any good finds lately? Will you be going to Bill Bailey's meeting on 5/22?
> 
> Scott.
>  Ken and Brenda Brekke  wrote: 
> > Scott,
> > 
> > Any chance you have a repro gear for a Trademark Berliner? I am looking for
> > the one with the ratchet pawls on it.
> > Contact me off list at kb...@charter.net. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Ken B. 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Malawski
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:48 PM
> > To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all
> > 
> > Hey Rob;
> > 
> > What parts are you looking for? I have a few repro parts here. Hope you
> > are doing well.
> > 
> > Scott.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 AM
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > Subject: [Phono-L] hello all
> > 
> > hi
> > a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named
> > stilek in canada does anyone have his email thanks zono
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[Phono-L] re mirek and his prices

[zonophone2006]

 hello all
i had planned on getting some parts from mirek
be careful  he raised his prices over his old catalog and is greedy on shipping 
as well
this is our correspondence
hopefully he will have the rest of his inventory for the rest of his life
be careful all
rob  




 
 NO PROBLEM
YOUR GREED ON SHIPPING TURNED ME OFF]
I DIDNT MIND THE PRICES GOING UP BUT I AM SURE I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID 
THIS TO YOU
HAVE A GREAT LIFE
rob


 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Miroslav Stehlik 
To: zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Fw: good morning


Hi Rob,
Thank you for taking my time for nothing! Please, do not order from me any 
more. Your los!
Happy collecting!
Mirek
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   zonophone2...@aol.com 
  
To: m.steh...@sentex.ca 
  
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:49   AM
  
Subject: Re: Fw: good morning
  


  
hi mirek
  
i have been thinking it over and will pass on the order
  
i cant get out during the day for the m.o.
  
thank you
  
rob
  
 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:13:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
m.steh...@sentex.ca writes:
  

Hi,

Are you still interested? I sold two Zonos today!

I will be in Europe most of May, leaving next Monday

Mirek

- Original Message - 
From: Miroslav Stehlik 

To: zonophone2...@aol.com 

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: good morning




Hi,

 You are ordering  the following :

two zonophone reproducers..$330.00
2 Berliner fiber gears,148 Teeth.$ 96.00
2 Berliner hold down nuts...$ 44.00
1 long curved crank...$ 29.00

 

Sub Total$ 499.00

 

Shipping/H: Expedited Parcel ( surf.Mail traceable ).. $ 22.00 ( no 
insurance) $27.00* ( insured for $500.00)*

 

Payment by International Money Order or equivalent, the Total 
is.. $ 512.00 or* $ 517.00*  

When paying by PayPal, the Total 
is$ 532.00  

I will ship as soon as I receive the payment ( next work. day)

* Note, that I can not be responsible for lost or damage to the shipment!

Please comfirm your choices.

Mirek

 

 


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Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
it was his whole general attitude
i would not buy from him again if it was free
we are all consumers and if we treat our customers with a bad attitude we  
loose customers
anyway its over and i wont deal with him or his attitude
best to all and i hope i am the only one beside john who he has copped an  
attitude with
happy collecting all
rob
 
 
In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:03:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

I once  dealt with Mirek and he was similarly nasty with me.
John Robles
Sent  from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From:  "Ron L'Herault" 
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:50:03  
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices

Unless one knows the weight of the  packed shipment, a buyer can't really
tell if the shipper is off the mark  with his shipping costs, and I believe
he Marek in Canada, right?   Shipping from Canada is always more expensive 
in
my experience.  If  you want an inflated price for shipping try the $10 I 
was
charged to ship  0.1 pounds (less than two ounces) of repro car parts from 
PA
to MA.   They use UPS.   The post office would have cost under $2.00  I'll
bet.

Ron L

-Original Message-
From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:44  AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] re mirek and his  prices


hello all
i had planned on getting some parts from  mirek
be careful  he raised his prices over his old catalog and is  greedy on
shipping as well
this is our correspondence
hopefully he  will have the rest of his inventory for the rest of his life
be careful  all
rob  





NO PROBLEM
YOUR GREED ON SHIPPING  TURNED ME OFF]
I DIDNT MIND THE PRICES GOING UP BUT I AM SURE I AM NOT THE  ONLY ONE WHO
SAID THIS TO YOU
HAVE A GREAT  LIFE
rob








-Original  Message-
From: Miroslav Stehlik 
To:  zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Fw:  good morning


Hi Rob,
Thank you for taking my time for nothing!  Please, do not order from me any
more. Your los!
Happy  collecting!
Mirek

- Original Message - 

From:   zonophone2...@aol.com 

To:  m.steh...@sentex.ca 

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010  3:49   AM

Subject: Re: Fw: good morning




hi mirek

i have been thinking it over and  will pass on the order

i cant get out during the day for the  m.o.

thank you

rob



In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:13:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
m.steh...@sentex.ca writes:


Hi,

Are you still interested? I sold two Zonos   today!

I will be in Europe most of May,  leaving next Monday

Mirek

- Original Message -  
From: Miroslav Stehlik 

To:  zonophone2...@aol.com 

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010  5:11 PM

Subject: Re: good morning




Hi,

You are ordering   the following :

two zonophone   reproducers..$330.00
2 Berliner fiber  gears,148 Teeth.$ 96.00
2 Berliner  hold down nuts...$ 44.00
1  long curved crank...$  29.00



Sub  Total$
499.00



Shipping/H: Expedited Parcel (   surf.Mail traceable ).. $ 22.00 ( no
insurance) $27.00*  ( insured for $500.00)*



Payment by International Money Order or  equivalent, the Total
is.. $ 512.00 or* $   517.00*  

When paying by  PayPal, the  Total
is$  532.00 
 

I will ship as soon as I  receive the payment ( next work. day)

* Note, that I can not be responsible for lost or  damage to the
shipment!

Please comfirm your  choices.

Mirek






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Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L] Wayne Show & Stanton Auction

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
i had a friend who bought and idelia three years ago for 17 k
it needed some restoration so its a matter of condition
i love my idelia and would not sell it for that cheap
so its up to the market place 
 
 
In a message dated 4/28/2010 3:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com writes:


What  kind of condition was the Idelia in?  $20,000 does not seem like a 
record  price.

Bruce Johnson 
youTube channel:  www.youtube.com/user/Cylinderphonograph



Phono-L] Wayne Show  & Stanton Auction



Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:26:59  PM
From: 
"Robin & Joan Rolfs" 
To:  
"Phono-L" 
Greetings,

Photo's of  
the Wayne Show can be found on the WIMAPS website  at
www.wimaps.org

The show was well attended and sales were  brisk.   A rainy day detoured
sales in the parking lot on  Saturday.  The show is growing and the
attendance was  excellent.

The Stanton auction was incredible with awesome  
phonographs for sale.
Buyers were ready to stimulate the economy and  
prices for rare items set
some record prices.  Highlights  were:

Eldridge Johnson Model C phonograph: $3500.00
Very rare Salter  mahogany 
double bow front record cabinet:  $6700.00
Rare  lever-wind ratchet 
phonograph: $21,000.00
Edison Idealia Cylinder  Phonograph: $20,000.00
Vogue records sold between $25.00 & $35.00 with  the exception of a few 
rare
Vogues that made $100.00
Phonograph  lamps were in demand with a Fairy Lamp bringing  $3800.00.
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[Zonophone2006]

 
In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:03:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

I once  dealt with Mirek and he was similarly nasty with me.
John Robles
Sent  from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From:  "Ron L'Herault" 
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:50:03  
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices

Unless one knows the weight of the  packed shipment, a buyer can't really
tell if the shipper is off the mark  with his shipping costs, and I believe
he Marek in Canada, right?   Shipping from Canada is always more expensive 
in
my experience.  If  you want an inflated price for shipping try the $10 I 
was
charged to ship  0.1 pounds (less than two ounces) of repro car parts from 
PA
to MA.   They use UPS.   The post office would have cost under $2.00  I'll
bet.

Ron L

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From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:44  AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] re mirek and his  prices


hello all
i had planned on getting some parts from  mirek
be careful  he raised his prices over his old catalog and is  greedy on
shipping as well
this is our correspondence
hopefully he  will have the rest of his inventory for the rest of his life
be careful  all
rob  





NO PROBLEM
YOUR GREED ON SHIPPING  TURNED ME OFF]
I DIDNT MIND THE PRICES GOING UP BUT I AM SURE I AM NOT THE  ONLY ONE WHO
SAID THIS TO YOU
HAVE A GREAT  LIFE
rob








-Original  Message-
From: Miroslav Stehlik 
To:  zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Fw:  good morning


Hi Rob,
Thank you for taking my time for nothing!  Please, do not order from me any
more. Your los!
Happy  collecting!
Mirek

- Original Message - 

From:   zonophone2...@aol.com 

To:  m.steh...@sentex.ca 

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010  3:49   AM

Subject: Re: Fw: good morning




hi mirek

i have been thinking it over and  will pass on the order

i cant get out during the day for the  m.o.

thank you

rob



In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:13:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
m.steh...@sentex.ca writes:


Hi,

Are you still interested? I sold two Zonos   today!

I will be in Europe most of May,  leaving next Monday

Mirek

- Original Message -  
From: Miroslav Stehlik 

To:  zonophone2...@aol.com 

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010  5:11 PM

Subject: Re: good morning




Hi,

You are ordering   the following :

two zonophone   reproducers..$330.00
2 Berliner fiber  gears,148 Teeth.$ 96.00
2 Berliner  hold down nuts...$ 44.00
1  long curved crank...$  29.00



Sub  Total$
499.00



Shipping/H: Expedited Parcel (   surf.Mail traceable ).. $ 22.00 ( no
insurance) $27.00*  ( insured for $500.00)*



Payment by International Money Order or  equivalent, the Total
is.. $ 512.00 or* $   517.00*  

When paying by  PayPal, the  Total
is$  532.00 
 

I will ship as soon as I  receive the payment ( next work. day)

* Note, that I can not be responsible for lost or  damage to the
shipment!

Please comfirm your  choices.

Mirek






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Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices

[Zonophone2006]

mirek had told me he was selling out and if you look at an old catalog he  
raised his prices considerably 
when jerry madsen sold out he was not greedy and sold at fair prices
mirek did make good quality items and i have bought from him in the past 
its just his attitude now and how to screw the customer since he wont need  
us anymore
i have said my feeling on it and wish anyone else better luck dealing with  
him
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/28/2010 3:24:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boru...@flash.net writes:

Mike - I  agree with you
I have purchased several parts from Mirek and have always  been very  
satisfied with both the quality and the cost which is only  a fraction  
of what an original part would cost  - assuming you  could  find one.  
As far as shipping goes, it is expensive to  ship out of the country.  
Shipping a 4 pound 1 ounce package from the  US to Canada costs a  
minimum of $27.00 via USPS  and it doesn't  take much to weigh 4  
pounds. I certainly hope that suppliers like  Mirek continue their  
valuable contribution to our  hobby.
Bill


On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Mike Stitt  wrote:

> Whoa,
> Many people that make parts come and go. Good  quality reproduction  
> parts can
> turn a machine useful  and displayable until an original part can be  
> found if
>  at all.
>
> I take a different view, I'm very thankful all these  people do what  
> they do
> and I doubt they are getting  rich and perhaps in many cases just  
> covering
>  cost.
>
> Regardless of shipping cost or attitude I appreciate  having the  
> option.
>
> He is after all making parts  for a very limited production run.
>
> Now if you pay a parts  supplier and don't get your parts that is a
> conversation to  have.
> Oldcranky
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28,  2010 at 10:47 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  Agreed. I charge exact shipping and I usually have boxes onhand.   
>> If I have
>> to buy new boxes I might charge $1 or so.  Sometimes you have to  
>> pay the cost
>> of doing  business as a courtesy. I have found that it builds repeat
>>  customers.
>> John
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless  BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>  From: bruce78...@comcast.net
>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010  17:41:53
>> To: Antique Phonograph  List
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re mirek  and his prices
>>
>> Folks who deliberately try to stuff  their pockets with your money by
>> deliberately inflating the  shipping costs on an item, are nothing  
>> short of
>>  despicable . That is a fact !!
>> - Original Message  -
>> From: "Ron L'Herault " < lherault @bu. edu  >
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:50:03 PM GMT -05:00  US/Canada  
>> Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re  mirek and his prices
>>
>> Unless one knows the weight of  the packed shipment, a buyer can't  
>> really
>> tell  if the shipper is off the mark with his shipping costs, and I   
>> believe
>> he Marek in Canada, right? Shipping from  Canada is always more  
>> expensive in
>> my  experience. If you want an inflated price for shipping try the   
>> $10 I was
>> charged to ship 0.1 pounds (less than two  ounces) of repro car  
>> parts from
>> PA
>>  to MA. They use UPS. The post office would have cost under $2.00  I'll
>> bet.
>>
>> Ron L
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org [  mailto :phono-l-bounces@  
>> oldcrank
>> .org]  On
>> Behalf Of zonophone2006@ aol .com
>> Sent: Wednesday,  April 28, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org
>>  Subject: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices
>>
>>
>>  hello all
>> i had planned on getting some parts from  mirek
>> be careful he raised his prices over his old catalog and is  greedy on
>> shipping as well
>> this is our  correspondence
>> hopefully he will have the rest of his inventory  for the rest of  
>> his life
>> be careful  all
>>  rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NO  PROBLEM
>> YOUR GREED ON SHIPPING TURNED ME OFF]
>> I DIDNT  MIND THE PRICES GOING UP BUT I AM SURE I AM NOT THE ONLY  
>>  ONE WHO
>> SAID THIS TO YOU
>> HAVE A GREAT LIFE
>>  rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: Miroslav Stehlik 
>> To: Zonophone2006@ aol .com
>> Sent: Wed,  Apr 28, 2010 10:38 am
>> Subject: Re: Fw : good  morning
>>
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>> Thank you for  taking my time for nothing! Pleas

Re: [Phono-L] Another Stanton's update

[Zonophone2006]

hi ken
look to steve farmer
he does a great job
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/30/2010 11:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kb...@charter.net writes:

As  expected, the recent Stanton's auction was an exciting experience.
There  were many high end machines there that brought a wide variety of
bidding  excitement.  The Edison Idelia was very impressive but brought  
only
$20K when the presale expectations were much higher.  The Edison  Class M in
the upright cabinet only went for a little over $10K.   Music boxes were a
bit soft on prices.  The very nice Reginaphone went  for around $4K.  Many 
of
the front mount Victors were in the $1,200 to  a high of around $2,500 for
the MS.  If anyone has a chance to take in  an auction at Stanton's, I would
highly recommend it.   

I  ended up with three more Victors for my collection along with a nice
record  cabinet, Edison Standard, Babson Brothers flowered cylinder horn, 
and
many  small items.  One of the Victors was a Rigid Arm R.  The arm has  been
resoldered where it attaches to the piece in the back bracket and the  
finish
has been buffed off almost completely.  The anodizing on the  back bracket 
is
weak but visible.  My question is, Does anyone know  anyone that restores 
the
anodized finish on parts?  Is it hard to do  yourself?  Thanks in advance 
for
any advice.

Ken  Brekke
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Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm

[Zonophone2006]

your reproductions are very nice
i got a few from you with the machine at union
thanks
rob
 
 
In a message dated 4/30/2010 11:14:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kb...@charter.net writes:



I see that there is some interest in Vitaphones here  lately.  If anyone is
interested, I have some reprints of original  Vitaphone catalogs, brochures,
and factory photos.  Contact me off  list at kb...@charter.net if anyone
would like  copies.

Thanks,
Ken Brekke



-Original  Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Keith Wright
Sent:  Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm


Thanks for offer Greg.  If you  email them to the address below, I will post
them on the Vitaphone  page.

Cheers,
Keith

ke...@keithwright.ca

> From:  gbogan...@charter.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Thu, 29  Apr 2010 23:15:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone  Arm
> 
>[snip]
> 
> I can't  remember if Phono-L has a photo hosting page.  I can 
> furnish  photos of the model 60 if someone can advise where to post them.
>  
> Greg Bogantz
> 
> 

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Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm

[Zonophone2006]

hi ken
i compared it to one of howards and its the same machine
hope all is well 
rob
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2010 8:45:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kb...@charter.net writes:

Rob,
The Vitaphone was surely an interesting machine.  Did  you ever determine if
the one you got from me was a prototype of some  sort?
Ken 

-Original Message-
From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:58  AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone  Arm

your reproductions are very nice
i got a few from you with the  machine at union thanks rob


In a message dated 4/30/2010 11:14:21  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kb...@charter.net writes:



I see  that there is some interest in Vitaphones here  lately.  If anyone  
is
interested, I have some reprints of original  Vitaphone catalogs,  
brochures,
and factory photos.  Contact me off  list at  kb...@charter.net if anyone
would like  copies.

Thanks,
Ken  Brekke



-Original  Message-
From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of Keith Wright
Sent:  Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42  PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone  Arm


Thanks for offer Greg.  If you  email them to the  address below, I will 
post
them on the Vitaphone   page.

Cheers,
Keith

ke...@keithwright.ca

>  From:  gbogan...@charter.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>  Date: Thu, 29  Apr 2010 23:15:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Vitaphone Tone  Arm
> 
>[snip]
> 
>   I can't  remember if Phono-L has a photo hosting page.   I can 
> furnish  photos of the model 60 if someone can advise  where to post them.
>  
> Greg Bogantz
> 
>  

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...

[Zonophone2006]

HELLO ALL
on another interesting note
i have seen some mandrels on both a banner home and a banner standard that  
have an indented ring on the left side
both are nickel plated
did edison try a new design for a brief period
just curious
zono
 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2010 3:13:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes:

Hi  Al,
Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an  
Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a  
brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original  
owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get 
it  back to original.
Thanks,
Harvey  Kravitz






From:  "clockworkh...@aol.com" 
To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels...  some idle  thoughts...


Greetings Harvey:

The solid brass mandrels were  on the early M and E electric machines. They 
were press fit onto the steel  mandrel shaft.  Even in those days solid 
brass 
of that diameter was  expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896.  
As 
the M topworks  was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel 
became a hollow  cylinder with brass ends pressed in.  It was a thick wall 
brass which  still carried some weight.  The smaller diameter end was 
indented 
to  allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate.  In 1901 the nickel  
plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in  
brass 
costs and reduced the number of machining operations.  The  indented end 
continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not  require it.  
For the 
rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass  mandrel continued to serve 
well.

The Home phonograph had the thick  walled hollow brass mandrel with end 
pieces almost from the earliest  machines.  Only the very lowest serial 
numbers 
are occasionally found  with a solid mandrel and the indented end.  The 
Home 
had that thick  walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was 
reduced as  nickel plating was added.  The drawn thin brass mandrel was  
introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the  
mandrel 
shaft remained the same until the Model B was  introduced.

SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for  a later thin 
walled nickeled mandrel.  They then charge more for the  brass mandrel than 
they paid for the whole phonograph.  So, you can  find a Home with a serial 
number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel  that should not be there.  
 And 
further along there will be an  eBay listing for the original brass mandrel 
for a higher price than the  mutt machine.  Gr ! ! !

I hope that helps.  I am away  from my research materials so I only 
guarantee the above to be 50%  correct...

Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list

[Zonophone2006]

hi
i have been several times and each time it seems like i spend at least 5k  
not counting the motel and plane
it sure if fun and a great candy land and the donleys are great guys
unfortunately  i have to go to dc for my brother 60th surprise bd  party 
that sat night
oh well
have fun
zono
 
 
In a message dated 5/26/2010 4:25:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:


Not  to blow your mind or burst your bubble, but there are those among us  
unfortunate enough to have never been to a Union show.  I've heard about  
them for all my adult years, but never had the money when I was available, and 
 never available when I had the money.  Maybe this will be the  year!

-Robert



> From: jnic...@fuse.net
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 2010 22:43:55 -0400
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list
> 
> Let's see, this year  is the 35th annual Union phonograph show.  I've 
only missed one, so this  will be my 34th year!  Hard to imagine that there 
might be collectors who  missed the show the previous 34 years!
> 
> Jim
> 
>  On May 25, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote:
> 
>  >  If you have never been to this phonograph show, I would
>  > highly recommend attending. 
> 
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[Phono-L] union

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
i hear paul baker and kurt knauck were banned from union for setting up a  
new show
has anyone heard of this too
paul tried this five years ago i know and had to apologize to the union  
attendees
anyone else heard this
zono
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Re: [Phono-L] Howard Hazelcorn

[Zonophone2006]

hi john
howard is at union this weekend but you can contact him at 
_mrporp...@aol.com_ (mailto:mrporp...@aol.com) 
rob
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2010 10:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

Hello  all
Anyone know how to get hold of Howard Hazelcorn? I had his email  address 
when he bought some items from me but I can't find it now. I am  thinking he 
is my last hope of getting the linkages on this Columbia grafonola  correct. 
This is the one where the on/off mech, the speed control and a  strange 
looking intermediate link are not correctly set, so that none of them  work.
This model is the only table model made after 1924, but there were  several 
uprights, all of which had a sort of pyramidal lid and some had two  
compartments on the back with doors over them. I have heard they were for  
storing 
booze during Prohibition.
Any leads, as always, greatly  appreciated.
Thanks
John  Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Another bargain on fleabay

[Zonophone2006]

yes
i remember a few years ago i was at the wayne show and someone brought one  
up to charley hummel to appraise
as i remember he was nice to the seller
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2010 7:56:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
edisonst...@comcast.net writes:



Every now & then someone will carry one of these  "things" into a 
Phonograph Show to try & sell to one of the Vendors, only  to have their Dream s
hattered when they find out the extent they or someone in  the family had been 
taken ! Sad that it happens but seen all to often &  Ebay & other auction 
outlets make it real easy   
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[Phono-L] HELLO ALL

[zonophone2006]

I JUST PICKED UP AN  EDISON D STANDARD WITH THE TWO SHUT OFFS ON IT
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE TOP PART THAT ATTACHES TO THE REPRODUCER
ITS THE ONE THAT IS IN TIM AND GEORGES BOOK ON CONTRAPTIONS
THANKS
ZONO

 

 


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Re: [Phono-L] Repro- Let Us Not Forg. Cyl labels?

[zonophone2006]

good luck
i paid alot for an original several years ago
a good copier should work though

 

 


 

 

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From: Dennis Back 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Oct 24, 2010 3:02 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Repro- Let Us Not Forg. Cyl labels?


A friend of mine is looking for a repro Let Us Not Forget BA cylinder top 
label.  

I can't remember who was doing these.   

Anyone here with a better memory than mine?   :-)

Thanks,
Dennis 



  
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[Phono-L] MBSI ARTICLE

[zonophone2006]

HI ALL
There is a good article by larry karp in the new mbsi journal on the chocolate 
records and the machine
good reference to to renee if anyone else is a member
zono

 

 


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Re: [Phono-L] Edison ALVA Phonograqph-offers invited

[Zonophone2006]

wow gary 
are you really downsizing
i am impressed
now to make more room for blue amberols
rob
 
 
In a message dated 11/4/2010 6:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ambe...@cox.net writes:

Hello  fellow phonoholics,

I have decided to downsize my collection and I am  starting with this 
wonderful machine.The ALVA is in excellent condition. I  will be accepting 
offers 
via e-mail, I will not quote an asking price. I will  accept phone calls 
with questions at 401-245-6014. I can e-mail photos upon  request from 
ambe...@cox.net

Machine Details:

Model-Edison ALVA  Phonograph
Serial No. 71732
Horn-Original Oak Music Master
Model O  reproducer
Very early machine
Early 2 post 
Early electric motor  
Wiring updated

Considerations: 

I will accept offers until  Friday, November 12 at 12:00 am. Offers to be 
for purchase of machine, crane,  and horn only, other details will be worked 
out later with regards to  shipping, insurance, delivery, or pickup. Payment 
deposit of $2000.00   required after deal is consummated. Balance to be 
paid by agreed arrangements,  only NO PAYPAL. Seller has the right to reject 
any and all offers.

May  the best offer win,

Thanks very much,
Gary Bernstein
Barrington,  R.I.

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Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism

[zonophone2006]

 HI ALL
I KNOW EDISON PUT THE SERIAL NUMBER UNDER THE IDELIA NAME PLATE 
GLAD TO KNOW ITS UNDER ALL

 


 

 

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From: Steven Medved 
To: Phono-l 
Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism



Each Edison reproducer has its own serial number.  The B D CHK and the small 
tops shared serial numbers, the R and S shared serial numbers, the O and N 
shared serial numbers.  The N-56 can be found with both R&S and O&N serial 
numbers.  The DD reproducers all have serial numbers, they started out with 
just 
numbers and ran through F.  
 
I saw a home on eBay with the serial number drilled off, I wonder if they knew 
the serial number is also under the ID plate?
 
Edison DD reproducers have letters before the serial numbers some are codes:
 
On the regular reproducer Edison started out with numbers and worked his way up 
and then started over with A and he got clear up to the letter F.  On the 
regular DD you will note numbers & A to F on the standard DD reproducer.  With 
the DD reproducers the letter designations appear to have been changed when he 
made changes or improvements to the reproducers.  Except for in the A series 
when the when the dome of the cup was made thicker resulting in about a 2 oz. 
weight increase and the elimination of the inner sleeve these changes are not 
readily noticeable visually, but the later ones have better sound.

NS after the serial number is an Edisonic 7960 NS is an example of this.
NS after the serial number beginning with letter is a Converted Edisonic F88690 
NS is an example of this. You could trade in a regular reproducer with $6.75 
and 
save $12.75 on an Edisonic that normally cost $19.50; Edison then modified the 
head with a larger limit loop and installed the heavy weight and thicker 
diaphragm on it.  The standard diaphragm varies between .009 and .011; the 
Edisonic is more consistent around .0125.  The cheap yellow notebook paper is 
.003, common white paper is .005.
 
LG is long play LonG
EM is one with Duncan stop Electric Model
LD is the Dance Loud Dance
NS stands for New Standard.
 
Each phonograph and reproducer had a serial number, when the model O came out 
it 
was two days wages and Edison was serious about keeping track and control of 
his 
products mainly to protect his patents.  
 
With regards to DD serial numbers, 947, a copper oxidized is the earliest 
serial 
number I have seen, F80885 in the gun metal or antique finish is the latest and 
it was converted to an Edisonic so the serial number is F80885 NS.  I have seen 
three Dance reproducers that were converted to the New Standard they have 
serial 
numbers like LD 9838 NS, LD 9476  NS,  and did not have the small spring or the 
cross bar it was connected to above the reproducer’s cup.  I have seen two with 
the Duncan stop that have been converted with serial numbers like EM 8497 NS.

 
> Do you have the Serial numbers or some other identifying marks on those items 
that were stolen. So if they show up on Craigslist or Ebay, we can trap those 
the sleazy Crooks that made off with the Reproducers ?? 
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Re: [Phono-L] (no subject)

[zonophone2006]

 

 


 

 HI ALL
I THINK CHARLEY IS BACK IN BUSINESS
HE HAD ADVERTISED IN THE GROOVE ABOUT THAT I BELIEVE


-Original Message-
From: Vinyl Visions 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 11:02 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] (no subject)




 
Does anyone have any spare parts for a dancing rastus or just the top parts 
with 
chickens, boxers, etc. ? Also, since Charlie Weatherbee quit making repros, 
does 
anyone have patterns for them?
Curt 

 
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Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?

[Zonophone2006]

interesting
i  have an idelia but my concert/opera is my work horse
it has the best sound of all when i play some of the hot 5000  clylinders
if we were talking a chipendale chair i would be more concerned with  
restoration but most of these phonographs were mass produced for consumption 
and  
have a lot of wear
i do not like the super gloss look but many restorations can closely  
approximate what left the factory and if you are honest when you sell it it  
should not matter
just a few thoughts
zono
 
 
In a message dated 11/13/2010 3:43:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


Ron  said it very well.  I would favor a mint machine over a restored one 
but  I would not discriminate over a restored machine as that is the only way 
most  people can own a mint looking machine.  I would also love to have a 
1795  silver dollar in uncirculated condition, but I had to settle for one 
with a  hole that was filled in that was in average condition.  

I  recently got a gold Exhibition in the deluxe hinged box, the mildew 
smell was  horrible.  I sprayed the inside with Lysol and I will have to treat 
it  once more to get rid of the smell.  Some people would likely be upset I  
got rid of the original mildew, but if you cannot enjoy what you have why  
collect?  I cringe when someone cleans $20,000 of the value of an Idelia  by 
polishing the copper oxidation off, but some people cringe when you restore  
an all brass horn to original look.  

Most people would prefer  mint machines, but the reality is if you want to 
enjoy a machine that looks  perfect it will most likely be restored.  The 
only two machines that I  have that are excellent is my VV-IV and my VV-VI 
that came in an aftermarked  console which protected it.  

My Triumph E is one I had  restored.  Someone varnished over the whole 
thing and ruined the case,  made the pin striping run, and the machine was in 
excellent shape until  someone ruined it.

I had the bedplate refinished, now it looks better  than new.  I enjoy the 
machine because it looks so nice, when I want to  play records I go to my 
crappy looking A in a B case Triumph.  I have  seen people with machines that 
look new, unfortunately there are not enought  to go around.

One year a radio collector brought a Triumph A with a  wooden horn and an 
iron and brass O to show it to people.  The finish was  so alligatored it 
acutally felt like the reptile when you touched it.   The O was rusty and when 
I told the guy it would restore nicely he was  horrified and told me he did 
not buy it to listen to or restore, he liked to  keep things just as he 
found them.  

Steve

> I agree  with Steve.  It depends on condition and the machine itself. It 
can be  subjective and dependent on the collector or individual as well.  Do 
you  want a common but pristine original Vic -IV, for example, or would you 
rather  have a refurbished and refinished Edison Opera brought back to 
showroom  beauty?  Also rarity might be a consideration.  Would someone wait  
for a near original Edison Idealia or take one that was redone?  It  
depends...cost, rarity, the collector themselves are only a few of the  
considerations.  
> I think most of us would take the rarest  machine in the most original 
condition at the lowest cost (speaking in general  terms).  Cost, especially 
in todays economy may be a key determiner in  the utlimate decision made.
>  
> Ron 
> 
>   
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Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert

[zonophone2006]

 hi all
believe it or not
i still run into eddie gibson here in florida
still selling phonograph and trying to do repairs

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: clockworkhome 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 3:21 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer  alert




Greetings Dave:
I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name.  Whenever I have 
tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I 
don't know what I am talking about.  Luckily he has never had anything I need 
for my collection.
When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around.  
Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that 
makes it much more difficult to con us.
Regards to all,
Al



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Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert

[zonophone2006]

 yes al
i even have the book i bought from you on cylinder phonos years ago that you 
signed
you are great in more than phonos
i used to correspond with george frow too and he was very informative also
great guys to get information when i was green in phonos
thanks to you both 
rob

 


 

 

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From: Jim Nichol 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer  alert


Al, you're too modest!  Your book on Edison cylinder phonographs is what 
ORIGINALLY started saving us from crooks and ignorant sellers.

Jim

On Dec 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:

> Greetings Dave:
> I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name.  Whenever I 
have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me 
I 
don't know what I am talking about.  Luckily he has never had anything I need 
for my collection.
> When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around.  
Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that 
makes it much more difficult to con us.
> Regards to all,
> Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert

[zonophone2006]

SO TRUE
i once bought a rare coin that was a fake and ebay and paypal would do nothing 
about it
its cavet emptor

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Steven Medved 
To: Phono-l 
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer  alert



Thanks, I did not know that.



> From: a...@popyrus.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer  alert
> 
> Hi Steve ~
> 
> The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get  
> reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection.  The  
> unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never  
> happened to begin with.
> 
> Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the  
> item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly  
> mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude.  And yet,  
> he probably left a positive feedback.
> 
> I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers  
> who would rather be made whole again financially on their  
> misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase,  
> than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on  
> this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable  
> experience.
> 
> I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about  
> anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but  
> based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and  
> customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous.  He  
> certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules".
> 
> That's my take on it.
> 
> Andy
> 
> On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
> 
> >
> > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good.
> >
> >
> >>> Hi all!  I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this  
> >>> individual in the past.  I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to  
> >>> those experiences posted thus far.  I purchased an Edison machine  
> >>> from him and it was packed relatively well.  It could have been  
> >>> better, but all was safe.  The machine was exactly as stated, but  
> >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the  
> >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun  
> >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but  
> >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and  
> >>> everything was actually great!  I just thought I'd provide another  
> >>> view of just my experience.  I would not necessaril recommend him,  
> >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these  
> >>> posts.  I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up  
> >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig  
> >>> deeper.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antique Edison
> >>> (412) 257-8926
> >>> 301 Murray Ave
> >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017
> >>> antiquedi...@aol.com
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
i know he still lives in st johnsbury vermont
i was up there for a auction with a close friend of his
i will see if i can get a phone number for him from a friend of his
zono
 
 
In a message dated 12/23/2010 3:07:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ba...@barrykasindorf.com writes:

OK,
Anyone know how to contact him? He has seemed hard to reach  in the past.
-Barry


On 12/23/2010 3:05 PM, john9...@pacbell.net  wrote:
> I'd appreciate the effort, Barry! Just make sure Martin doesn't  object!
> Thanks
> John
> --Original  Message--
> From: Barry Kasindorf
> Sender:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
> To: Antique Phonograph List
>  ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: [Phono-L] New Amberola  Graphic
> Sent: Dec 23, 2010 11:55 AM
>
> Hi,
> I  subscribed to this a long time ago and have most of the issues Martin
>  printed. I am not sure if he will ever make anymore but I assume  not.
>
> I can scan them and make them available online if there  is any interest.
> It will take a while to locate them and I may need a  few fills.
> -Barry
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[Phono-L] Fwd: FW: Brian Rust 1922-2011

[Zonophone2006]

this is a sad thing
 


 

 

Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:52:46 -0500
Subject: Brian Rust  1922-2011
From: jazzpr...@earthlink.net
To:  jazzpr...@earthlink.net



We are saddened to have  to inform visitors to the site, that Brian Rust 
died peacefully in his  sleep, on January 5th. His loss is devastating to 
those who knew him as a  true and constant friend, for many years. The world of 
discography and the  study of early jazz history has changed completely, by 
his death. He leaves  behind his wife of six decades, Mary; daughters Angela 
and Pamela; and son,  Victor; plus grandchildren. As details of funeral 
arrangements and addresses  to which condolences may be sent become available, 
we will update this  bulletin.

_http://rustbooks.com./_ (http://rustbooks.com./)   =


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Re: [Phono-L] Victor R

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
and steve farmer does a great job
i have had him work  on an idelia for me
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/2011 6:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
appywan...@hotmail.com writes:

Steve  Farmer can replicate that finish.

> From: kb...@charter.net
>  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600
>  Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R
> 
> Jeff,
> 
>   
> 
> The orange based stripper works well.  Just try it in a  small area under 
the
> turntable first.  It's good to hear that  there are still some good finds 
out
> there. 
> 
>   
> 
> The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a  previous owner
> that took off most of the nice oxidized finish.   The finish behind the 
swing
> arm and on the reproducer is fine.   My question for everyone on Phono-L 
is:
> Is it hard to redo the  oxidized finish on a part like this?  Or, is there
> someone that  can be recommended to do this type of work?
> 
>  
>  
> Thanks, 
> 
> Ken B.
> 
> Wisconsin
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor P (WAS-Salvaging Spray Painted Victor-R)

[Zonophone2006]

wow neuman miller 
now that is a name i have not heard in a long time
now what about karl frick
that show how long some of us have had this sickness
lol
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/2011 10:18:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
back...@yahoo.com writes:

While  you all are talking about the bronze, oxidized Victor R...it brings 
back a  fond memory of mine.

My first front mount was a Victor P that I  purchased in 1973.  I really 
knew nothing about phonographs back  then.  I DID have sense enough to know 
that the Thorens reproducer was  "most likely" a replacement part.  Of course 
I later got a long necked  Exhibition from Neuman Miller.  

As for the hardware, the horn  support and motor bedplate was a dull or 
dirty grey/silver.  It looked  like spray paint.  I left it as it was.  Some 
years later...maybe in  the 1980's I learned that the Victor P's (and R's) had 
the oxidized bronze,  tiger finish.  I tried a little paint remover and 
WALLA!  I had a  tiger striped, bronze oxidized Victor P after all!  

A belated,  but sincere Happy New Year to all,
Dennis 




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Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board

[zonophone2006]

YES MY MOTOR BOARD DOES SWIVEL
ZONO

 

 


 

 

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From: William Zucca 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:00 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board


If I could verify that the motor board is on a swivel then I would place a

board lined with a felt strip on it across the BACK of the motor board and

give a few swift blows with the mallet to see if I can loosen it.  Perhaps

someone who owns an XVII can verify that the motor board swivels on a pivot

just to the rear of its center so I don't do any damage.



GrnMountain Bill



On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:54 PM, john robles  wrote:



> SOunds like a case of simple warpage and wood swelling then...

>

> --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca  wrote:

>

> From: William Zucca 

> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board

> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 

> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:52 PM

>

> John:  Yes, everything have been removed from the motor board and frame.

> Only the motor screws remain. I even tried tapping with rubber mallet to

> see

> if there would be any movement.  But there is none.

>

> Thanks for the picture.

>

> GrnMountain Bill

>

> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:35 PM, john robles 

> wrote:

>

> > Did you remove the turntable and reposition the automatic stop yoke? This

> > is often the culprit, because the two arms of the stop yoke overlap form

> the

> > motorboard to the motorboard frame. Check this link to a photo of what I

> > mean. The yoke is circled in white.

> > http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/

> > John Robles

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca  wrote:

> >

> > From: William Zucca 

> > Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board

> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:04 PM

> >

> > Dear Phono-Lers:

> >

> > I recently acquired a Victrola VV-XVII.  It is pretty nice machine but is

> > missing the crank, needle cup, motor board knob, and one large storage

> door

> > knob.

> >

> > ANYWAY...

> >

> > After removing the screws that hold down the motor board (two in the

> front

> > and perhaps a third in the rear center just in from the tonearm bracket),

> I

> > have been unable to get the board to either swivel on a pivot or come up

> > out

> > of the top of the machine!  What am I doing wrong?  There is no movement

> of

> > the motor board in any direction.  It is stuck tight.  Any suggestions

> > about

> > how to remove it?

> >

> >

> > On the back of the machine there is a panel that seems to be held in with

> > two brass screws on its bottom edge and also has two "acorn" wooden plugs

> > at

> > the top.  I removed all of these and this panel too is stuck fast!  What

> is

> > going on?

> >

> > Regards,

> > GrnMountain Bill

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Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
we have had that problem here a lot in florida
the police recommend you meet at the police dept to do your exchange if you 
 buy from craigs list
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/14/2011 9:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:


Beware of Craigslist also... the old saying "If it sounds too  good to be 
true..." You might find a bargain, but be careful. On that note, a  collector 
from NC just found a Regina-Phone for $1,200, so you never  know.
Also, if you list on Craigslist - NEVER meet someone at your house -  if 
you are going to meet, go to McDonald's or a public place. A friend of mine  
had a number of high end phonographs stolen from his home because of that.  
Fortunately, he got the NC SBI involved and they recovered all  but one,  
just a day before they were leaving the country. 

> From:  steve_nor...@msn.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Fri, 14  Jan 2011 19:05:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud -  Beware (?)
> 
> 
> Before eBay hid the buyers ID I bid on an  Alva to see the final price 
and get photos. A man wrote and told me he had a  number of Alvas in stock and 
would be happy to sell me one for $1500.
>  
> > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:20:25 -0800
> > From:  hexaph...@sbcglobal.net
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
> > 
> >  I suspect the motor doesn't exist, thus I'd never get it. He keeps 
avoiding my  request for a picture to validate whether it is a correct one. It 
seems there  are scammers scouring the various boards on the net including 
phonograph  forums. I prefer to keep to those I am familar with.
> > 
>  > Ron
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Ron L'Herault   wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From:  Ron L'Herault 
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'"  
> > Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:49  PM
> > 
> > 
> > Did you ever get the motor? Is it  different from the usual spring 
motors
> > for Victors of that  period?
> > 
> > Ron L
> > 
> >  -Original Message-
> > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  
[mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of  hexaph...@sbcglobal.net
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:56  PM
> > To: Antique Phonograph List
> > Subject: [Phono-L]  Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all. On one of  the phonograph forums I had a "Wanted" notice 
indicating
> > I was  looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor. I received a 
response
>  > from a Brian Kidd. His email is bra...@blumail.org . This one has all  
the
> > red flags waving. He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly  for one. 
He
> > is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western  union payment 
and his
> > pricing is way out of line i.e. not even  reasonable. He wanted 690 
euro or
> > more than $900 for a motor of  which, of course, he had " in stock. 
Playing
> > along, I asked for  pictures. None have been provided (surprise). Anyone
> > else familar  with this individual? I would assume he is responding to 
other
> >  people looking for items. Just for a final amusement, I sent him an  
email
> > stating I would most certainly send a western union for the  full 
amount once
> > I received the product. I am waiting for my  reply. Beware.
> > 
> > Ron
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Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
tell me about it
i have three copies of warsaw concerto
lol
its still all good
 
 
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vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:


The  same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which 
at the  time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare 
time  scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours 
on the  phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. 
And then,  when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because 
you just  never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder 
than doing a  search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no 
one in America  ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and 
demand, as well as a new  generation of people who inherited a collection from 
their dad or grandfather  and would rather have a new loud muffler on their 
Japanese car or a stereo to  blow the body panels off...

> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08  -0800
> From: smst...@gmail.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
> 
> It's the  economy, it's the internet.
> I own many records and cylinders. Many  very rare. Why own a record? As a
> digital file it as it takes up so  little space.
> And most of the time free or close to free.
> Not  much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to
>  collect something different it is always at the top of the market,
>  regardless of the economy..[?]
> Mike
> oldcranky
> 
>  On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles   
wrote:
> 
> > Hello all
> > Well, after I had offered  it here with no takers, I had listed my 
Theodore
> > Roosevelt  cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around 
$100,
> >  and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder  
(Social
> > and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the  economy, or 
what?
> > Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for  less than $85 so I think 
I'll
> > keep it.
> > John  Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] MG

[Zonophone2006]

 
In a message dated 1/20/2011 6:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:

Don't  forget the ultra scarce TB either.  Those are 19" wire wheels and  
used 4.50/5.00x19 tires.

On 01/20/2011 05:06 PM, Vinyl Visions  wrote:
>
> " an MG-TD, my ultimate dream car"
>
> I  love them too, but a TA, TC or TF would definitely fill the bill. I 
actually  think I like the built in headlights of the TF better and what about 
the large  wire wheels of the TA and TC?
>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:48:43 -0800
>> From: majesticrec...@snet.net
>> To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>
>> Well, if you're going to drag in the MG  jokes...
>>
>> Q. Why do people in England drink their beer  warm?
>>
>> A. Because their refrigerators are powered by  Lucas.
>>
>>
>> Boy, would I love to have an MG-TD,  my ultimate dream car. Perhaps 
after I find
>> that large collection  of E condition Robert Johnson Vocalions, Son House
>> Paramounts,  etc.
>>
>>  Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> From:  Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph  List
>> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011  2:24:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>
>> If there is no puddle of oil under the  machine then it is out of oil and
>> you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA  leaked like a sieve.
>>
>> On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM, Greg  Bogantz wrote:
>>> Well, the English must have eventually figgered  it out. As a biker and
>>> with a brother who still owns a 1970  Norton Commando, I know what 
you're
>>> saying. When I was in the  engineering lab at RCA Records, we purchased
>>> from England an  EMI record testing machine that contained a Garrard 401
>>>  turntable, sometime in the late 1970s. I took the tester apart to  
check
>>> on something (which wasn't working, of course) and just  busted out
>>> laughing when I spied a puddle of oil underneath  the platter bearing,
>>> pooled on the bottom pan of the cabinet.  Yep, it's English all right. I
>>> called all my biker buddies  over to have a look at it, and we all had a
>>> good laugh over  it.
>>>
>>> Greg  Bogantz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -  Original Message - From: "William  Zucca"
>>> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20,  2011 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you hear the one  about why there was never a successful phonograph
>>> industry in  England?
>>>
>>> (answer:) Because they couldn't  figure out how to make the machines 
break
>>> down and start  leaking oil every  week.
>>>
>>> Ha  Ha,
>>> GrnMountain Bill
>>>
>>> On Thu,  Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM,   wrote:
>>>
 Did you hear about the dyslexic  anorexic? She never thought she was 
fat
  enough.
 -Original Message-
  From: Tom Jordan
 Sender:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:25:25
 To: 'Antique Phonograph  List'
 Reply-To: Antique  Phonograph List
 Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New Phonogram

 I can't help  it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He laid
  awake at night wondering Is there a  dog?

 -Original  Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  
[mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On Behalf Of Peter  Fraser
 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00  AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram

  Dog is my copilot!

 Sent from my  iPhone

 -- Peter
  pjfra...@mac.com

 On Jan 20, 2011, at  2:48 AM, john robles   
wrote:

> No rush..my god passed away  and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my
 phono purchases  have sort of taken a downturn for the moment...
>  Thanks
>  John
>
> --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P  Ingram   wrote:
>
> From: D P  Ingram
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  New Phonogram
> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
> Date: Wednesday,  January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM
>
> Hi.  Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting  out
 our
 duplicate holdings so found a  lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio
 )  :)
>
> Best,  Darren
>
>
>  ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦
> ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦  www.ingram.fi ¦
> ¦
> ¦ MUSIC  LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi
>  ¦
> ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn  8001
>  ¦
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Darren,  no hurry.
>>  John
>>
>> --- On Fri,  12/31/10, D P Ingram   wrote:
>>
>> From: D P  Ingram
>> Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New Phonogram
>> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
>> Date: Friday,  December 31, 2010, 8:27  AM
>>
>> Possibly a couple  but I cannot check for a day or two until after 
the
  holiday.
>>
>>  Darren
>>
>>
>>  ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦
>> ¦ darren at  ingram.fi ¦ www.in

Re: [Phono-L] MG

[Zonophone2006]

now mine was a tr 2
a lot lot more power and the same fun stuff
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2011 6:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:

Don't  forget the ultra scarce TB either.  Those are 19" wire wheels and  
used 4.50/5.00x19 tires.

On 01/20/2011 05:06 PM, Vinyl Visions  wrote:
>
> " an MG-TD, my ultimate dream car"
>
> I  love them too, but a TA, TC or TF would definitely fill the bill. I 
actually  think I like the built in headlights of the TF better and what about 
the large  wire wheels of the TA and TC?
>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:48:43 -0800
>> From: majesticrec...@snet.net
>> To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>
>> Well, if you're going to drag in the MG  jokes...
>>
>> Q. Why do people in England drink their beer  warm?
>>
>> A. Because their refrigerators are powered by  Lucas.
>>
>>
>> Boy, would I love to have an MG-TD,  my ultimate dream car. Perhaps 
after I find
>> that large collection  of E condition Robert Johnson Vocalions, Son House
>> Paramounts,  etc.
>>
>>  Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> From:  Rich
>> To: Antique Phonograph  List
>> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011  2:24:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>
>> If there is no puddle of oil under the  machine then it is out of oil and
>> you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA  leaked like a sieve.
>>
>> On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM, Greg  Bogantz wrote:
>>> Well, the English must have eventually figgered  it out. As a biker and
>>> with a brother who still owns a 1970  Norton Commando, I know what 
you're
>>> saying. When I was in the  engineering lab at RCA Records, we purchased
>>> from England an  EMI record testing machine that contained a Garrard 401
>>>  turntable, sometime in the late 1970s. I took the tester apart to  
check
>>> on something (which wasn't working, of course) and just  busted out
>>> laughing when I spied a puddle of oil underneath  the platter bearing,
>>> pooled on the bottom pan of the cabinet.  Yep, it's English all right. I
>>> called all my biker buddies  over to have a look at it, and we all had a
>>> good laugh over  it.
>>>
>>> Greg  Bogantz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -  Original Message - From: "William  Zucca"
>>> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20,  2011 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you hear the one  about why there was never a successful phonograph
>>> industry in  England?
>>>
>>> (answer:) Because they couldn't  figure out how to make the machines 
break
>>> down and start  leaking oil every  week.
>>>
>>> Ha  Ha,
>>> GrnMountain Bill
>>>
>>> On Thu,  Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM,   wrote:
>>>
 Did you hear about the dyslexic  anorexic? She never thought she was 
fat
  enough.
 -Original Message-
  From: Tom Jordan
 Sender:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:25:25
 To: 'Antique Phonograph  List'
 Reply-To: Antique  Phonograph List
 Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New Phonogram

 I can't help  it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He laid
  awake at night wondering Is there a  dog?

 -Original  Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  
[mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On Behalf Of Peter  Fraser
 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00  AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram

  Dog is my copilot!

 Sent from my  iPhone

 -- Peter
  pjfra...@mac.com

 On Jan 20, 2011, at  2:48 AM, john robles   
wrote:

> No rush..my god passed away  and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my
 phono purchases  have sort of taken a downturn for the moment...
>  Thanks
>  John
>
> --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P  Ingram   wrote:
>
> From: D P  Ingram
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  New Phonogram
> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
> Date: Wednesday,  January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM
>
> Hi.  Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting  out
 our
 duplicate holdings so found a  lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio
 )  :)
>
> Best,  Darren
>
>
>  ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦
> ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦  www.ingram.fi ¦
> ¦
> ¦ MUSIC  LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi
>  ¦
> ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn  8001
>  ¦
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Darren,  no hurry.
>>  John
>>
>> --- On Fri,  12/31/10, D P Ingram   wrote:
>>
>> From: D P  Ingram
>> Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New Phonogram
>> To: "Antique Phonograph  List"
>> Date: Friday,  December 31, 2010, 8:27  AM
>>
>> Possibly a couple  but I cannot check for a day or two until after 
the
  holiday.
>>
>>  Darren
>>
>>
>>  ¦ D 

Re: [Phono-L] MG

[Zonophone2006]

the tr2 was great and could out run the mg
great competition years ago
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2011 10:26:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
smst...@gmail.com writes:

I owned  a TR 2. Powered with a great Massy Ferguson engine.  A tractor
powered  sports car. Gotta love the English.
Oldcranky

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011  at 1:58 AM,  wrote:

> now mine was a tr  2
> a lot lot more power and the same fun stuff
>
>
>  In a message dated 1/20/2011 6:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>  rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:
>
> Don't  forget the ultra  scarce TB either.  Those are 19" wire wheels and
> used  4.50/5.00x19 tires.
>
> On 01/20/2011 05:06 PM, Vinyl  Visions  wrote:
> >
> > " an MG-TD, my ultimate dream  car"
> >
> > I  love them too, but a TA, TC or TF would  definitely fill the bill. I
> actually  think I like the built in  headlights of the TF better and what
> about
> the large   wire wheels of the TA and TC?
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan  2011  11:48:43 -0800
> >> From:  majesticrec...@snet.net
> >> To:   phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New   Phonogram
> >>
> >> Well, if you're going to drag in  the MG  jokes...
> >>
> >> Q. Why do people in  England drink their beer  warm?
> >>
> >> A.  Because their refrigerators are powered by  Lucas.
>  >>
> >>
> >> Boy, would I love to have an  MG-TD,  my ultimate dream car. Perhaps
> after I find
>  >> that large collection  of E condition Robert Johnson Vocalions,  Son
> House
> >> Paramounts,  etc.
>  >>
> >>  Glenn
> >>
>  >>
> >>
> >>   
> >> From:   Rich
> >> To: Antique  Phonograph  List
> >> Sent: Thu,  January 20, 2011  2:24:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  New  Phonogram
> >>
> >> If there is no puddle of  oil under the  machine then it is out of oil
> and
> >>  you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA  leaked like a sieve.
>  >>
> >> On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM, Greg  Bogantz  wrote:
> >>> Well, the English must have eventually  figgered  it out. As a biker 
and
> >>> with a brother who  still owns a 1970  Norton Commando, I know what
> you're
>  >>> saying. When I was in the  engineering lab at RCA Records,  we 
purchased
> >>> from England an  EMI record testing  machine that contained a Garrard
> 401
> >>>   turntable, sometime in the late 1970s. I took the tester apart to
>  check
> >>> on something (which wasn't working, of course) and  just  busted out
> >>> laughing when I spied a puddle of  oil underneath  the platter 
bearing,
> >>> pooled on the  bottom pan of the cabinet.  Yep, it's English all 
right.
>  I
> >>> called all my biker buddies  over to have a look  at it, and we all 
had
> a
> >>> good laugh over   it.
> >>>
> >>> Greg  Bogantz
>  >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  -  Original Message - From: "William  Zucca"<
>  rochr...@gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Antique Phonograph   List"
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January  20,  2011 12:46 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New   Phonogram
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Did  you hear the one  about why there was never a successful  
phonograph
> >>> industry in  England?
>  >>>
> >>> (answer:) Because they couldn't  figure  out how to make the machines
> break
> >>> down and  start  leaking oil every
>   week.
> >>>
>  >>> Ha  Ha,
> >>> GrnMountain Bill
>  >>>
> >>> On Thu,  Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32  PM,   wrote:
>  >>>
>  Did you hear about the dyslexic   anorexic? She never thought she was
> fat
>    enough.
>  -Original Message-
>    From: Tom Jordan
>   Sender:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
>   Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:25:25
>   To: 'Antique Phonograph   List'
>  Reply-To:  Antique  Phonograph List
>   Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New Phonogram
>  
>  I can't help  it! :0) Did you  hear about the dyslexic atheist? He 
laid
>   awake  at night wondering Is there a  dog?
> 
>   -Original  Message-
>   From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
>  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
>  On Behalf Of  Peter  Fraser
>  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011  11:00  AM
>  To: Antique Phonograph List
>    Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
>  
>   Dog is my copilot!
>  
>  Sent from my  iPhone
>  
>  -- Peter
>    pjfra...@mac.com
> 
>   On Jan 20, 2011, at  2:48 AM, john  robles
> wrote:
>  
> > No rush..my god passed  away  and left me with $1600 in vet 
bills...my
>   phono purchases  have sort of taken a downturn for the moment...
>  >  Thanks
> >   John
> >
> > --- On Wed,  1/19/11, D P  Ingram   wrote:
>  >
> > From: D P   Ingram
> > Subject: Re:  [Phono-L]  New Phonogram
> > To: "Antique  Phonograph  List"
>  > Date: Wednesday,  January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM
>  >
> > Hi.  Still looking. Not  found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting
>  out
>   our
>  duplicate holdings so found  a  lot more other stuff (phono, gram,
> radio
>   )  :)
> >
>  > Best,  Darren
> >
>  >>>

Re: [Phono-L] MG

[Zonophone2006]

the tr 2 and 3 mostly differed in the grill work and the doors
and the 3 engine was 10 more horse power and i think syncromesh  tranny
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2011 11:00:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lhera...@bu.edu writes:

I have  the fondest memories of my  '58 TR3, a car I owned from  '68-70.   I
have a '73 TR-6 now but still miss the 3.

Ron  L

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Friday,  January 21, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] MG

They were interesting engines.  4 cyl tractor engine  converted to OHV. 
IIRC the TR-3 was a slightly larger version of a  modified tractor motor. 
And, 3 main bearings in a 5500 rpm engine  was a real stroke of 
brilliant engineering.  They were real fun cars  though.  You only got 
damp in a rainstorm with the top down as long  as you were driving 25 to 
30mph, more than that and the back of your head  and the inside of the 
windshield got wet.  Black leather seats and  sun

On 01/21/2011 09:26 AM, Mike Stitt wrote:
> I owned a TR  2. Powered with a great Massy Ferguson engine.  A tractor
> powered  sports car. Gotta love the English.
> Oldcranky
>
> On Fri,  Jan 21, 2011 at 1:58 AM,   wrote:
>
>> now mine was a tr 2
>> a lot lot more  power and the same fun stuff
>>
>>
>> In a message  dated 1/20/2011 6:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>  rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:
>>
>> Don't  forget the  ultra scarce TB either.  Those are 19" wire wheels and
>> used  4.50/5.00x19 tires.
>>
>> On 01/20/2011 05:06 PM, Vinyl  Visions  wrote:
>>>
>>> " an MG-TD, my ultimate  dream car"
>>>
>>> I  love them too, but a TA, TC  or TF would definitely fill the bill. I
>> actually  think I  like the built in headlights of the TF better and what
>>  about
>> the large  wire wheels of the TA and  TC?
>>>
 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011  11:48:43  -0800
 From: majesticrec...@snet.net
  To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  New  Phonogram

 Well, if you're  going to drag in the MG  jokes...

  Q. Why do people in England drink their beer   warm?

 A. Because their refrigerators  are powered by   Lucas.


 Boy, would  I love to have an MG-TD,  my ultimate dream car. Perhaps
>>  after I find
 that large collection  of E condition  Robert Johnson Vocalions, Son
>> House
  Paramounts,  etc.

Glenn




 From:   Rich
 To: Antique  Phonograph  List
 Sent:  Thu, January 20, 2011  2:24:59 PM
 Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] New  Phonogram

 If there  is no puddle of oil under the  machine then it is out of oil
>>  and
 you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA  leaked like a  sieve.

 On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM,  Greg  Bogantz wrote:
> Well, the English must have  eventually figgered  it out. As a biker
and
>  with a brother who still owns a 1970  Norton Commando, I know  what
>> you're
> saying. When I was in  the  engineering lab at RCA Records,  we
purchased
> from England an  EMI record  testing machine that contained a Garrard
>>  401
>   turntable, sometime in the late 1970s.  I took the tester apart to
>> check
> on  something (which wasn't working, of course) and just  busted  out
> laughing when I spied a puddle of oil  underneath  the platter 
bearing,
> pooled on the  bottom pan of the cabinet.  Yep, it's English all 
right.
>>  I
> called all my biker buddies  over to have a  look at it, and we all 
had
>> a
> good laugh  over  it.
>
> Greg   Bogantz
>
>
>
>  -  Original Message - From: "William  Zucca"<
>>  rochr...@gmail.com>
> To: "Antique Phonograph   List"
> Sent: Thursday,  January 20,  2011 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  New   Phonogram
>
>
>  Did you hear the one  about why there was never a  successful
phonograph
> industry in   England?
>
> (answer:) Because  they couldn't  figure out how to make the machines
>>  break
> down and start  leaking oil  every
>>week.
>
>  Ha  Ha,
> GrnMountain  Bill
>
> On Thu,  Jan 20,  2011 at 12:32 PM, wrote:
>
>> Did you hear about  the dyslexic  anorexic? She never thought she was
>>  fat
>>enough.
>> -Original  Message-
>>   From: Tom  Jordan
>> Sender:   phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan  2011  11:25:25
>> To: 'Antique Phonograph   List'
>> Reply-To:  Antique  Phonograph  List
>> Subject:  Re:  [Phono-L] New  Phonogram
>>
>> I can't  help  it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist?  He
laid
>>   awake at night  wondering Is there a   dog?
>>
>>  -Original  Message-
>> From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
>>  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
>> On Behalf Of  Peter  Fraser
>> 

Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356

[Zonophone2006]

jerry
the 356 is legendary
what a car
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2011 12:57:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes:

I was  going to let this British car stuff run its course but I can't help  
myself.  You have not driven a car until you've experienced a Porsche  356. 
 The 
car begged to be driven. When it turned 90,000 miles we  drove it 90 mph 
and it 
wanted to go faster.  It started every time  and you didn't need to keep 
AAA on 
the speed dial.  It did mark its  spot in the garage but that was a small 
price 
to pay.  Jerry  Blais



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[Phono-L] florida show

[Zonophone2006]

hi all
just got home from the florida show
lots of great bargains and lots of sales for me
there was a victor model 230 that vtla mark brought that was very  nice
i got a vtla second model from ron haring for a very good price
a mahogany home with a repeater showed up also for a very good price
along with a victor c for 3250
lots of great machines and people
anyone else have any comments
zono
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Re: [Phono-L] florida show

[zonophone2006]

HI
NO I JUST SAW IT
I DID NOT ASK
ROB

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Baron 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] florida show


Do you recall what the mahogany Home with repeater was priced at?



Just curious.



Andy Baron





On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:18 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:



> hi all

> just got home from the florida show

> lots of great bargains and lots of sales for me

> there was a victor model 230 that vtla mark brought that was very   

> nice

> i got a vtla second model from ron haring for a very good price

> a mahogany home with a repeater showed up also for a very good price

> along with a victor c for 3250

> lots of great machines and people

> anyone else have any comments

> zono

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Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356

[zonophone2006]

HEY JOE
THAT IS TRUE
I HAD A 1958 CORVETTE IN 69 
NOW A 2006
WHAT TECHNOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES
BUT BOTH FUN

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Joe Filer 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356


Wait a minute, I have a 1966 Corvette. I have owned 4 Porsches, 5 MG's, 1 

Triumph, 1 Rabbit. I can tell you none of them matches the excitement of a 

vintage Corvette. OK, the Rabbit was a pickup truck and shouldn't count. This 
is 



my 6th Corvette, and man is it fun.

Joe Filer











From: john robles 

To: Antique Phonograph List 

Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 5:02:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356



It's starting to look to me like all phonograph collectors have Porsches, 

Triumphs and MGs...maybe we need to start Porsche-L??  :-)

John



--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Mike Stitt  wrote:



From: Mike Stitt 

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356

To: "Antique Phonograph List" 

Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:30 AM



Sooo Jerry, did you sell the 356 and keep the VW diesel rabbit?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Mike

Oldcranky



On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Jan and Harold  wrote:



> I couldn't agree with you more Jerry.  My ex had one. I loved driving that

> car. Some people called it a glorified VW, but it had power galore!  There

> were a number of times that guys came over and opened the car door for me

> when I drove that carI knew it wasn't me because it never happened once

> when I drove the old Toyota :)

> Jan

>

>

> Victoria BC

>

>

>

>

> On 2011-01-21, at 9:57 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote:

>

> > I was going to let this British car stuff run its course but I can't help

> > myself.  You have not driven a car until you've experienced a Porsche

> 356.  The

> > car begged to be driven. When it turned 90,000 miles we drove it 90 mph

> and it

> > wanted to go faster.  It started every time and you didn't need to keep

> AAA on

> > the speed dial.  It did mark its spot in the garage but that was a small

> price

> > to pay.  Jerry Blais

> >

> >

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Re: [Phono-L] MG

[zonophone2006]

NOW ALL
WE HAD A LOCAL SINGER HERE A FRIEND OF BOB DYLAN
WHO WROTE
I WILL PUT A BAR IN MY CAR AND DRIVE MYSELF TO DRINK
ERIC VAN SCHMIDT

 

 


 

 

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From: Rich 
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Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG


It hurts nothing as it is clearly marked as to subject.  Some people 

need to lighten up a bit.



On 01/23/2011 09:45 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

> sorry.  It really should have been taken off-list.  At least there are lots

> of car-related records although I don't know of any that mention British

> sports cars.

> Ron L

>

> -Original Message-

> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On

> Behalf Of tuban...@aol.com

> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:04 PM

> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG

>

> OK boys, I'm outa here.   If you can't keep the rant kinda phono  related I

> don't need to wade thru all the CAR talk.

> They do have forums for that.

>

> Don

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Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph

[Zonophone2006]

now the book by frow and al shows a g 
anyone seen a g
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2011 11:41:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
phonofo...@aol.com writes:

The  Standard F was the last of the Standard series to be produced so they 
will  command more money, but $6100.00?  I do recall a Standard F was sold 
by a  local auction house in  North Carolina in May 2009  for $900 or so  not 
too far from where the ebay Standard  F was sold. The standard F at  
auction was very dirty, dark  and it came with the original Model S  
reproducer. I 
can't say this is the same machine. The one on ebay came with a  model H 
and not the S it was supposed to come with. So it appears along the  way the 
reproducer and carriage maybe were switched  out.





-Original Message-
From: DanKj  
To: Antique Phonograph List  
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 11:46 pm
Subject:  Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph


Yes, I keep his  listings on my Favorites list, because he always has 
interesting stuff with  clear, numerous pics ! 
Eebae is great for collecting pics of things  phonographic. I just need to 
resist the urge to bid for the heckuvvit, because  too many times I've been 
surprised & won something I didn't REALLY need  (the $118 perfect Thinkpad 
and yet another disc 'Standard A' come to mind... )  


- Original Message - From: "Tim Gray"   
To: "Antique Phonograph List"   
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:58 PM  
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph 

>  Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of  
> nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked  
them 
> up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big  radio 
> collection. his items are always very nice and they bring  better than 
> average prices.   
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Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?

[zonophone2006]

WHAT KIND OF WORK
I CAN PASS IT ON TO A FRIEND HERE IN SARASOTA
ZONO

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john robles 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 10:48 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?


Hi all

I have a contact in Florida (near Clearwater and St, Petersburg) who needs some 

work done on a Diamond Disc phonograph, C-150 Sheraton. Anybody know anyone 

there??

Thanks

John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?

[zonophone2006]

HI JOHN
HE IS PROBABLY RIGHT
BETTER TO SELL AS IS

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john9ten 
To: phonolist 
Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?


I'm not sure it is going to be worth it. One of my phono mentors thinks it 
probably needs a couple hundred dollars worth of work and she won't get that 
back from it in this economy.
Thanks
John
-Original Message-
From: zonophone2...@aol.com
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:00:10 
To: 
Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?

WHAT KIND OF WORK
I CAN PASS IT ON TO A FRIEND HERE IN SARASOTA
ZONO

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john robles 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 10:48 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Florida repair persons?


Hi all

I have a contact in Florida (near Clearwater and St, Petersburg) who needs some 

work done on a Diamond Disc phonograph, C-150 Sheraton. Anybody know anyone 

there??

Thanks

John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Horns For Sale *SOLD* Thanks

[zonophone2006]

hi
is it sold
if so its ok
if not i will take the victor berliner

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Wayne 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 6:41 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Horns For Sale *SOLD* Thanks




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Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale

[zonophone2006]

hi don
very nice price on the 240
i love mine

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john9ten 
To: phonolist 
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale


I'll take the Reginaphone if you give me 4 years to pay.

--Original Message--

From: Don Henry & Kelly Peters

Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org

To: phonolist

ReplyTo: phonolist

Subject: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale

Sent: Feb 11, 2011 1:09 PM





Hi All:

A few items going on the chopping block: Victor VI w/wood horn $4900; Edison 

Triumph w/wood cygnet $2700; rare Columbia paneled wood horn, needs work, $500; 

Zonophone Grand Opera rear mount with Green horn, $1800, Edison Spring Motor 

$2800, Early Edison Home w/ banner lid, $500, Reginaphone Model 240 with 

Lionsheads, restored $8200. Thanks. Don Henry   
  

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[Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS

[zonophone2006]

HI
IS ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE
THANKS
ZONO

 

 


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[Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer

[Zonophone2006]

on another note
anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late  20s
 
 


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Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record

[Zonophone2006]

well if you don't want it 
send it to florida
zono
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2011 6:01:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes:

Mike,  Didn't we find a Black Patti record in Corvallis at a garage sale on 
our  
way to a anniversary party for Dottie & Ira?   Jerry



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Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS

[Zonophone2006]

my bp record is the one the minister giving a sermon
i wish it was the rarer blues one
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2011 11:45:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
smst...@gmail.com writes:

I've  been looking for on over 20 years. I have many scarce records and
labels,  from 2" Decca's to a 7' paper label American Vitaphone. No  BP
tho'.
Mike

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:39 AM,wrote:
> These recorded are valuable  espeically the race recordings. There were 
some common of the day recordings  recorded on the Black Patti, such as 
Dalhart, that are of lesser value than  the race records. A few years back one 
of 
the 78RPM journals  did a story  on all the Black Patti records.
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Glenn Longwell  
> To: Antique Phonograph List  
> Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:46 am
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
>
>
> Yes, they  are very common and not valuable at all.  Please send to me.
> Ok,  just kidding.  Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for  
Chicago
> ecord Company, which was started by Mayo Williams.  It  was a race record
> abel.  It only existed for about 6 months in  1927 and had only 54 
releases.
> uantities were small so the records are  fairly rare and valuable.
>
> lenn
>
>
>  
> rom: "zonophone2...@aol.com"  
> o: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> ent:  Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM
> ubject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI  RECORDS
> HI
> S ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE  RELATIVE VALUE
> HANKS
> ONO
>
>
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Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan

[zonophone2006]

NAH ITS A GUY LOMBARDO
 

 


 

 

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From: DeeDee Blais 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:31 am
Subject: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan


That's right... you snatched a Black Swan out of my hands and gave me a Glen 

Miller saying I'd enjoy it more.  Jerry





  

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Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan

[Zonophone2006]

ahhh yes
the old song  enjoy yourself
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 10:55:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
phonofo...@aol.com writes:

I think  the early Guy Lombardo's on the Okeh label from the late 1920s are 
not half  bad actually. Same goes with Lawrence Welk from the late 1920s.  





-Original Message-
From: Steven Medved  
To: Phono-l  
Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 10:37 am
Subject:  Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan



hose are impossible to  enjoy no matter what the  song.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4qcCIH0yg0

NAH ITS A GUY  LOMBARDO

That's right... you snatched a Black Swan out of my hands and  gave me a 
Glen 

Miller saying I'd enjoy it more. Jerry

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Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan

[Zonophone2006]

jerry traded me one black swan for two black pattis  as i  remember
lol
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:59:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


They  are not half bad they are half good.  But to take a Black Patti and a 
 Black Swan and give Jerry a Welk and a Lombardo in exchange..that is  
sad.

> I think the early Guy Lombardo's on the Okeh label from the  late 1920s 
are not half bad actually. Same goes with Lawrence Welk from the  late 1920s. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Steven Medved  
> To: Phono-l  
> Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 10:37 am
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti... Black Swan
> 
> 
>  
> hose are impossible to enjoy no matter what the song.
>  
> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4qcCIH0yg0
> 
> NAH ITS A  GUY LOMBARDO
> 
> That's right... you snatched a Black Swan out of  my hands and gave me a 
Glen 
> 
> Miller saying I'd enjoy it more.  Jerry
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Re: [Phono-L] Zon -O -Phone

[Zonophone2006]

hey allen 
glad somebody knows the dates
hope you are doing great in the north
rob
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2011 12:45:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
allena...@aol.com writes:


In a  message dated 3/30/2011 11:06:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
tom...@msn.com writes:

This is  a late model Zonophone "Home."  These were made after Victor
bought the  company in  1904.*


-
Make that purchase Sept  1903.

allen

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Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?

[zonophone2006]

HI STEVE
I AGREE
I HAVE SEVERAL COLLECTOR FRIENDS WHO HAVE ONE OFF CASES THAT WERE DONE BY 
OWNERS OF THE PERIOD WITH SOME VERY FANCY EMBELISHMENTS
I AGREE IT MAY HURT THE PRICE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTING JUST THE SAME
ZONO

 

 


 

 

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From: The Farmers 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?


What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description?
While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the 
factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph 
experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore 
as far as he knows was applied at the factory.  It looks like this seller 
sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable 
about those items than the average phonograph expert.  If I had a purse to 
sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse 
experts would laugh at too.

And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned 
it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems.

-- Greg Farmer


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?


> "He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor", And 
> where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very 
> strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steven Medved" 
> To: "Phono-l" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700
>> From: smst...@gmail.com
>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
>>
>> Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom  
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the
>> > paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his 
>> > answer
>> > back in his auction. Ward S.
>> > - Original Message - From: "Rich" 
>> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the
>> >> depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell 
>> >> what
>> >> you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date 
>> >> it.
>> >> Does not realy look Factory though.
>> >>
>> >> On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would 
>> >>> put
>> >>> special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an 
>> >>> artistic
>> >>> owner did this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve
>> >>> On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> 
>>  I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and
>>  decorated case which matches and appears to be old...
>> 
>>  Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to
>>  match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare?
>>  eBay Item number: 230604577714
>> 
>>  http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork

[zonophone2006]

HI ALL
CHARLEY HUMMEL HAD ONE A FEW YEARS AGO
YOU MAY ASK HIM OR TIM OR PAUL
GOOD LUCK
ZONO

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Vinyl Visions 
To: phono-l 
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork




Do you have a pic of your "new" Pathe? 





On the subject of Pathe - does anyone have any idea of what a Pathe advertising 

plaster rooster might be worth? I found one recently, but haven't been able to 

convince the owner to part with it...  It is a display in an old store and no 

one knows what it is, since it's painted black. 





> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:37:39 -0700

> From: john9...@pacbell.net

> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

> Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork

> 

> Hello All

> I thought I would post a piece of reproducer arts and crafts for you. I 

received a Pathephone 40 yesterday through the kindness of a Phono-L member who 

responded to my search for one. The reproducer label was aged and blackened, 
and 

since it is paper you can't clean it without risking loss of the image. I found 

a decent picture of a reproducer online, and..well, the story is written on the 

before and after image at this link:

> http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone%20reproducer/

> Thanks

> John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove

[zonophone2006]

HI all
issue looks good but can see what you mean
all that matters is its there
zono

 

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: john robles 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 2:56 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove


I didn't notice either and I thought the whole issue looked great. Very slick. 
Congrats!
John Robles

--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Vinyl Visions  wrote:

From: Vinyl Visions 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 8:32 PM


Hi Tim,


I have done a lot of graphics work myself, as I majored in advertising and have 
always enjoyed designing my own business brochures, webpages, cards, etc. Those 
images did not appear as a "misprint" to me, in fact I didn't notice the bleed 
while perusing this issue, until you just pointed it out. So, in my opinion 
(for 
what it's worth) they look fine and I think they wouldn't look "as good" with a 
symmetric space on top. It's kind of like framing a piece of art with mat 
board, 
the border at the bottom is always larger and not symmetrical for eye appeal. 
Just my 2 cents... 



Curt

> From: d...@themccormicks.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:01:33 -0400
> Subject: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Michael Evans (our new graphic designer) attempted a design concept
> with a few images that normally work for flyers and brochures, but failed to
> be artistically communicated in our magazine.  The most obvious use of this
> technique was on the Jerry Fabris' article.  Artists like to use free space
> and openness.  We antique lovers prefer the security of symmetry.  Pages 42,
> 44, 45, 47 and 48 are filled with two huge images each.  The upper most
> image appears to run off the top of the page as was intended by the graphic
> designer.  Very little, if any, of the image is actually missing - the top
> of the page bleed completes the image border (you'll be able to see for
> yourself what I'm talking about when you get your copy).  Unfortunately, the
> technique does not fit the topic.  I'll be receiving a hundred E-Mails
> reporting this presumed mistake.
> 
> Michael had to create this issue (his first ITG) from scratch which
> took him an enormous amount of time.  The first .PDF proof I received from
> Michael was laid-out in signature format, so I could not detect where the
> bleed ended and had no idea of his artsy concept.  He provided me the second
> proof in my preferred format, and only then did I discover what I assumed
> was an error.  By then, we were so close to the "send-it-to-the-printer"
> date, and was told that he would have to shrink the images in order to
> maintain border symmetry, that I made the decision not to delay the issue an
> additional 3 days for delivery, and hoped the larger images would be
> beneficial to our readers after all.  Well, now that I have the magazine in
> front of me, it looks like it was a printing mistake and not the intended
> artistic openness concept that Michael had hoped for.  I have discussed this
> with Michael, and border symmetry will be followed in future issues.
> 
> I just told you that I was concerned about getting this issue to the
> printer on time. WELL.  We delivered this to Short Run on March 8th.  The
> delivery date to Faris Mailing was scheduled for March 28th.  On March 16th,
> the printer had massive equipment failure.  Keep in mind, these folks own
> multi-million dollar State-Of-The-Art presses and binders.  They finally
> delivered ITG to Faris Mailing last Friday, April 8th.  It was mailed on
> Tuesday, April 12th.  I received my copy on Thursday.
> 
> Excluding all the challenges of production, this has been our most
> ambitious issue that I can recall.  It is 52 pages in length and filled with
> fascinating works from some very impressive contributors.  I highly
> recommend that you pick up a copy for yourself.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim
> 
> Tim McCormick, President
> Michigan Antique Phonograph Society
> presid...@maps-itg.org
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