Re: [RBW] Re: Complete!

[James Warren]

Or how about green without Hilsen/Saluki-like details or green with 
Hilsen/Saluki-like details?

Hilsen/Saluki-like details = those lugs plus the eyelets on fork and seatstay 
for mini-racks. There was a last little batch of Rams with those details, 
making the rest of us Ram owners slightly envious. That's the kind of problem 
you want to have!

Amazing bike, by the way.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
>From: rob markwardt 
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 12:59 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Complete!
>
>Go green Rambo's!  Does anyone have a rough timeline for when the
>three different colored models were produced?
>
>Rob "http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4383522461_bf22af47af.jpg";
>Markwardt
>
>On Mar 4, 7:15 pm, Leslie  wrote:
>> Finally finished it building it.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/pool-rivendell
>>
>> Rivendell Rambouillet, 60cm
>> Shimano parts:
>>   Dura-Ace Octalink crank 53/39/30
>>   XTR triple BB
>>   Ultegra front triple derailler
>>   XT rear long cage derailler
>>   XT 11-32 9sp cassette
>>   Ultegra headset
>>   Dura-Ace quill stem
>>   Dura-Ace seatpost
>>   Dura-Ace/XTR chain
>>   Dura-Ace brake and shifter cables
>>   XT hubs
>> Velocity Dyad rims, DT spokes 36h
>> Wheels by Hands on Wheels/ Rich Lesnik
>> Nitto Noodle handlebar, 48cm
>> Tekro:
>>   R538 calipers
>>   R200A levers
>>   RL720 cyclocross levers
>> Brooks B17 saddle
>> Panaracer Pasela TG 32mm
>> MKS MT-lux compe pedals and strapless half toe-clips
>> Acorn medium/large bag
>> Velo-Orange anodized fenders
>> King Iris water bottle cages
>> Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump
>> cork tape, twine, and amber shellac
>>
>> And we're finally getting above freezing here, and no snow!  Finished
>> just in time!
>>
>> Now, to go and ride my butt off.
>
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[RBW] Re: Complete!

[rob markwardt]

Go green Rambo's!  Does anyone have a rough timeline for when the
three different colored models were produced?

Rob "http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4383522461_bf22af47af.jpg";
Markwardt

On Mar 4, 7:15 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> Finally finished it building it.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/pool-rivendell
>
> Rivendell Rambouillet, 60cm
> Shimano parts:
>   Dura-Ace Octalink crank 53/39/30
>   XTR triple BB
>   Ultegra front triple derailler
>   XT rear long cage derailler
>   XT 11-32 9sp cassette
>   Ultegra headset
>   Dura-Ace quill stem
>   Dura-Ace seatpost
>   Dura-Ace/XTR chain
>   Dura-Ace brake and shifter cables
>   XT hubs
> Velocity Dyad rims, DT spokes 36h
> Wheels by Hands on Wheels/ Rich Lesnik
> Nitto Noodle handlebar, 48cm
> Tekro:
>   R538 calipers
>   R200A levers
>   RL720 cyclocross levers
> Brooks B17 saddle
> Panaracer Pasela TG 32mm
> MKS MT-lux compe pedals and strapless half toe-clips
> Acorn medium/large bag
> Velo-Orange anodized fenders
> King Iris water bottle cages
> Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump
> cork tape, twine, and amber shellac
>
> And we're finally getting above freezing here, and no snow!  Finished
> just in time!
>
> Now, to go and ride my butt off.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 64cm A. Homer Hilsen

[Oliver S.]

To help get the right geometry info, can you tell us if this frame is
supposed to be the 63 or the 65cm? There doesn't seem to be a 64 AHH.

Oliver

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[RBW] Re: My "old" Hillborne

[Way Rebb]

Thank you all for the kind words.

It was fun putting the post together. I'm not a real big internet
gabber but I've been following this groups adventures for a couple of
months and figured what the heck.  I think the bike is about
finished.  Very reliable low maintenance transportation which is what
I was looking for...although  I might go back to smaller bags in
summer, or maybe a bigger rack in back that I could really lash stuff
to with some big fat tires, or maybe change it all to baskets and try
to find an orange fork to put on or...

Regards,
 Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Dustin Sharp]

Does this mean that a Roadeo has at least an extra half a pound of overly
stout tubing?  Or  does the weight savings on the Sachs frames come from
other things? I mean, all those baroque touches on Riv lugs must weigh
something, right? ;)

> 
> a sachs cx frame weighs about 3.5 lbs.  i get to see a lot of his cx
> bikes in action and they are ridden *hard.*   riding tubies at 30psi
> helps to soften things up a bit and take the edge off the rough stuff
> - but still, i think it's proof that a high quality lightweight steel
> bike need not be relegated to paved roads/smoothish surfaces.


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[RBW] Re: JAck Brons and Honjo 43mm?

[benzzoy]

On Mar 4, 9:24 pm, rperks  wrote:
>
> Has any body here pushed the limits?  What is the tightest fender a
> Jack Brown has been squeezed into?

I have 43mm fluted Honjos that are covering Jack Browns.  The fit is
quite tight but I haven't had any rubbing or snagging issues in
hundreds of miles of riding, even that time when I went trail-riding
on the way up to Mt. Hamilton with a small bunch from this list.

(On the other hand, I also have Planet Bike 60mm Cascadia fenders
covering 26x1.6 Continentals (really only 37mm wide) on my Surly.
Those tires look positively lost in all that empty space. :) )

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[RBW] Re: JAck Brons and Honjo 43mm?

[rperks]

Good God, I should not type anything right before bed, sorry for the
spelling

On Mar 4, 9:24 pm, rperks  wrote:
> Has any body here pushed the limits?  What is the tightest fender a
> Jack Brown has been squeezed into?
>
> Rob

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[RBW] JAck Brons and Honjo 43mm?

[rperks]

Has any body here pushed the limits?  What is the tightest fender a
Jack Brown has been squeezed into?

Rob

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[RBW] Re: roadeo forks

[dpco]

yeah i know, they are forthcoming. you guys are a tough nut.
don c.

On Mar 4, 8:38 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
> Photos, Don, Photos!
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 4, 7:44 pm, dpco  wrote:
>
>
>
> > some of you guys subscribe to jan heine's bicycle quarterly. in one
> > edition, he described different forks, specifically blades. he
> > mentioned " imperial oval". i noticed that the fork crown on my roadeo
> > is narrower than the crown on my ram. but the fork blades are very
> > ovalized. i have to reiterate, this bike rides great and the fork,
> > while very forgiving, is in no way flimsy.
> > just an observation.
> > don c.

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[RBW] Re: roadeo forks

[Bill M.]

Photos, Don, Photos!

Bill

On Mar 4, 7:44 pm, dpco  wrote:
> some of you guys subscribe to jan heine's bicycle quarterly. in one
> edition, he described different forks, specifically blades. he
> mentioned " imperial oval". i noticed that the fork crown on my roadeo
> is narrower than the crown on my ram. but the fork blades are very
> ovalized. i have to reiterate, this bike rides great and the fork,
> while very forgiving, is in no way flimsy.
> just an observation.
> don c.

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[RBW] Re: Complete!

[Leslie]

I got the crank from here on the list; it was an Octalink crank, I
needed an Octalink V1 BB;  I wanted an Ultegra, but those are NLA.
Because I have a triple crank, I went with a triple BB.   The XTR is
116.5;  however, the DA and 105 BB is 118.   I would suggest the 105's
instead;  I had to put both the thicker spacers on the ring side and
the two thin ones on the other side, in order to space the ring out
enough to keep the inner-ring bolts from tinking on the chainstay.

My *original* plan was to use cork rings, like used on fly-rod
handles; I still am contemplating it at some point down the road, but
is going to take planning.   Plan B was to use brown and gray tape in
a harlequin pattern.   However, I ended up not finding brown at my
LBS', and wanted to get it taped instead of waiting on it to
arrive. SO  plan C, what I you see, is regular ol' Inline
brand 'cork tape' and normal hemp twine;  Bullseye shellac, amber...
first coat was a 'good' coat, then about a half-hour later a second
coat aiming to hit spots missed, then an overcoat of the first.   Next
evening, put on a third coat, again focusing on any thin spots, trying
to even it out.

There was another photo, 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407872650/in/photostream/
.In addition to both ends of the tape, I also twined around/under
the hoods, and also where the shifter cables leave from the tape.

Once the shifter cables leave the downtube adapters, they're, bare
down to under the bottom bracket shell, and on across it to where they
reach the deraillers.


On Mar 4, 10:44 pm, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> Leslie,
>
> Beautiful job.
>
> Do you know the width of your BB?
>
> Also, what's the tape used on your handbars and formula (shellac /
> coats) used in getting the look.
>
> Can you post some close ups when convenient?
>
> I'm 2-3 weeks away from putting together my Atlantis and am interested
> in details.
>
> Finally, are the BB cable guides brazed on and are you running bare
> cable through them or have cable running through housing?
>
> Thanks, Mitch - Sunny San Luis Obispo, CA
>
> On Mar 4, 7:15 pm, Leslie  wrote:
>
> > Finally finished it building it.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/pool-rivendell
>
> > Rivendell Rambouillet, 60cm
> > Shimano parts:
> >   Dura-Ace Octalink crank 53/39/30
> >   XTR triple BB
> >   Ultegra front triple derailler
> >   XT rear long cage derailler
> >   XT 11-32 9sp cassette
> >   Ultegra headset
> >   Dura-Ace quill stem
> >   Dura-Ace seatpost
> >   Dura-Ace/XTR chain
> >   Dura-Ace brake and shifter cables
> >   XT hubs
> > Velocity Dyad rims, DT spokes 36h
> > Wheels by Hands on Wheels/ Rich Lesnik
> > Nitto Noodle handlebar, 48cm
> > Tekro:
> >   R538 calipers
> >   R200A levers
> >   RL720 cyclocross levers
> > Brooks B17 saddle
> > Panaracer Pasela TG 32mm
> > MKS MT-lux compe pedals and strapless half toe-clips
> > Acorn medium/large bag
> > Velo-Orange anodized fenders
> > King Iris water bottle cages
> > Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump
> > cork tape, twine, and amber shellac
>
> > And we're finally getting above freezing here, and no snow!  Finished
> > just in time!
>
> > Now, to go and ride my butt off.

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[RBW] Re: Complete!

[Mitch Browne]

Leslie,

Beautiful job.

Do you know the width of your BB?

Also, what's the tape used on your handbars and formula (shellac /
coats) used in getting the look.

Can you post some close ups when convenient?

I'm 2-3 weeks away from putting together my Atlantis and am interested
in details.

Finally, are the BB cable guides brazed on and are you running bare
cable through them or have cable running through housing?

Thanks, Mitch - Sunny San Luis Obispo, CA

On Mar 4, 7:15 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> Finally finished it building it.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/pool-rivendell
>
> Rivendell Rambouillet, 60cm
> Shimano parts:
>   Dura-Ace Octalink crank 53/39/30
>   XTR triple BB
>   Ultegra front triple derailler
>   XT rear long cage derailler
>   XT 11-32 9sp cassette
>   Ultegra headset
>   Dura-Ace quill stem
>   Dura-Ace seatpost
>   Dura-Ace/XTR chain
>   Dura-Ace brake and shifter cables
>   XT hubs
> Velocity Dyad rims, DT spokes 36h
> Wheels by Hands on Wheels/ Rich Lesnik
> Nitto Noodle handlebar, 48cm
> Tekro:
>   R538 calipers
>   R200A levers
>   RL720 cyclocross levers
> Brooks B17 saddle
> Panaracer Pasela TG 32mm
> MKS MT-lux compe pedals and strapless half toe-clips
> Acorn medium/large bag
> Velo-Orange anodized fenders
> King Iris water bottle cages
> Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump
> cork tape, twine, and amber shellac
>
> And we're finally getting above freezing here, and no snow!  Finished
> just in time!
>
> Now, to go and ride my butt off.

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[RBW] roadeo forks

[dpco]

some of you guys subscribe to jan heine's bicycle quarterly. in one
edition, he described different forks, specifically blades. he
mentioned " imperial oval". i noticed that the fork crown on my roadeo
is narrower than the crown on my ram. but the fork blades are very
ovalized. i have to reiterate, this bike rides great and the fork,
while very forgiving, is in no way flimsy.
just an observation.
don c.

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[RBW] Re: What's in Your Saddlebag?

[Leslie]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407871186/in/pool-rivendell/

Saddlebag is an Acorn medium/large bag

Park MTB-7 multi tool
Park CT-5 chain tool
Park SW-7 spoke wrench
Park TL-1 tire lever set
Rema patch kit
Boeshield T9
two inner tubes
three spare chain pins
red/blue two-sided bandana

Not shown: Swiss Army knife
Brooks saddle cover




On Jan 30, 11:04 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> > Here's my AR kit, which I had to raid to get some patches (which I ended up
> > not needing).
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4315416462/
>
> > I see from your other photos that you are sensitive to parking etiquette.
>
> My feelings exactly. One nice thing about having a 20 year old Plymouth van
> covered in stickers is that I can pull up rel close to the driver's door
> of someone straddling a line without fear of consequences.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com
> (505) 227-0523

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[RBW] Complete!

[Leslie]

Finally finished it building it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/pool-rivendell

Rivendell Rambouillet, 60cm
Shimano parts:
  Dura-Ace Octalink crank 53/39/30
  XTR triple BB
  Ultegra front triple derailler
  XT rear long cage derailler
  XT 11-32 9sp cassette
  Ultegra headset
  Dura-Ace quill stem
  Dura-Ace seatpost
  Dura-Ace/XTR chain
  Dura-Ace brake and shifter cables
  XT hubs
Velocity Dyad rims, DT spokes 36h
Wheels by Hands on Wheels/ Rich Lesnik
Nitto Noodle handlebar, 48cm
Tekro:
  R538 calipers
  R200A levers
  RL720 cyclocross levers
Brooks B17 saddle
Panaracer Pasela TG 32mm
MKS MT-lux compe pedals and strapless half toe-clips
Acorn medium/large bag
Velo-Orange anodized fenders
King Iris water bottle cages
Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump
cork tape, twine, and amber shellac

And we're finally getting above freezing here, and no snow!  Finished
just in time!

Now, to go and ride my butt off.

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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[amoll68]

JS,

I'm running a Nitto Mark's Rack, with a Tubus Nova "over the top" on
the same mid-fork braze-on, on my nubster. Works just fine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151...@n07/4339719394/in/set-72157623375460150/

Have fun!

Alex Moll
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 4, 7:01 pm, benzzoy  wrote:

> Are the Sachs race bikes replaced annually?  

I don't think so.  New framesets for new team members, of course - but
each rider gets 2 bikes (one for the pit!), and there's no reason to
replace annually unless one fails.

the columbus spirit for lugs (aka "pegorichie") tubing strikes a
really nice balance between weight/strength - framebuilders seem to
like it, and riders do too.  I think sachs uses a slightly lighter
version of these tubes for his team bikes, but off-the-shelf
pegorichie tubes seem like a great option for anyone that wants a
lightweight road bike that can handle gravel grinder/dirt road/mixed
terrain action.

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Re: [RBW] WTB Nitto DirtDrop/Technomic Standard stem

[Jon Grant]

Not mine.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/1628839826.html

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From: nathan spindel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:28:34 -0800
To: , internet-bob

Subject: [RBW] WTB Nitto DirtDrop/Technomic Standard stem

I'm looking to buy a Nitto DirtDrop 10cm stem or a Nitto Technomic
Standard 8-9cm stem (26.0 clamp). Surprisingly, RBW has neither in
stock right now.

-nathan

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[RBW] Re: roadeo, first ride

[dpco]

to be fair, my build is not  particularly light. with my old style
look pedals, the bike weighs 22.8 lbs. if i went with full record,
threadless stem, light bars, light wheels, and some race saddle, it
would be 18-19 lbs. but, i don't ride against a clock. on our club
rides we go fast for short periods and then cruise (18-20mph on the
flats). i chose my build for the old look( no carbon ) and total
practicality and comfort. the bike weighs almost the same as my old
ram, but handles slightly quicker and feels more responsive when
climbing out of the saddle on short, steep hills. if i had a choice
between a ram and a roadeo, i would choose the roadeo because it is a
better match to my type of riding. i bought my ram because the "riv"
fit really helped me to enjoy my rides with less back pain. the 59cm
roadeo and the 60cm. ram are very similar in fit. it will take me some
time to grow tired of this bike.
don c.

On Mar 4, 4:48 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> Any idea how much it weighs, Don?
>
> In a message dated 3/4/2010 7:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>
> dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> i rode  my new roadeo on its maiden voyage. just a super bike. 40mi.,
> rolling hills  around plymouth, ca.
> build as follows: 59cm roadeo, mary's blue
> campy chorus aluminum 10spd brifters, centaur
> derailleurs
> nitto  pearl stem, 44 noodles, nitto stainless
> bottle cages
> shimano  ultegra headset and r600 brakeset
> thomson seatpost with brooks b-17ti  saddle
> ta zephyr crankset, 50-34, philwood bb
> record  hubs, velocity aero and aero oc silver
> rims, 12-25 chorus  cassette
> 700x28 grand bois cerf tires(75lbs front,
> 85lbs  rear)
> sincerely, don
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[RBW] WTB Nitto DirtDrop/Technomic Standard stem

[nathan spindel]

I'm looking to buy a Nitto DirtDrop 10cm stem or a Nitto Technomic
Standard 8-9cm stem (26.0 clamp). Surprisingly, RBW has neither in
stock right now.

-nathan

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Re: [RBW] roadeo, first ride

[BPustow]

Any idea how much it weighs, Don?
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2010 7:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net writes:

i rode  my new roadeo on its maiden voyage. just a super bike. 40mi.,
rolling hills  around plymouth, ca.
build as follows: 59cm roadeo, mary's blue
campy chorus aluminum 10spd brifters, centaur
derailleurs
nitto  pearl stem, 44 noodles, nitto stainless
bottle cages
shimano  ultegra headset and r600 brakeset
thomson seatpost with brooks b-17ti  saddle
ta zephyr crankset, 50-34, philwood bb
record  hubs, velocity aero and aero oc silver
rims, 12-25 chorus  cassette
700x28 grand bois cerf tires(75lbs front,
85lbs  rear)
sincerely, don

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[RBW] Re: roadeo, first ride

[William]

Now that you are bored of it, can I have it?  I wouldn't change a
thing.  Not a single thing.

On Mar 4, 4:32 pm, dpco  wrote:
> i rode my new roadeo on its maiden voyage. just a super bike. 40mi.,
> rolling hills around plymouth, ca.
> build as follows: 59cm roadeo, mary's blue
>                         campy chorus aluminum 10spd brifters, centaur
> derailleurs
>                         nitto pearl stem, 44 noodles, nitto stainless
> bottle cages
>                         shimano ultegra headset and r600 brakeset
>                         thomson seatpost with brooks b-17ti saddle
>                         ta zephyr crankset, 50-34, philwood bb
>                         record hubs, velocity aero and aero oc silver
> rims, 12-25 chorus cassette
>                         700x28 grand bois cerf tires(75lbs front,
> 85lbs rear)
> sincerely, don

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[RBW] roadeo, first ride

[dpco]

i rode my new roadeo on its maiden voyage. just a super bike. 40mi.,
rolling hills around plymouth, ca.
build as follows: 59cm roadeo, mary's blue
campy chorus aluminum 10spd brifters, centaur
derailleurs
nitto pearl stem, 44 noodles, nitto stainless
bottle cages
shimano ultegra headset and r600 brakeset
thomson seatpost with brooks b-17ti saddle
ta zephyr crankset, 50-34, philwood bb
record hubs, velocity aero and aero oc silver
rims, 12-25 chorus cassette
700x28 grand bois cerf tires(75lbs front,
85lbs rear)
sincerely, don

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[benzzoy]

On Mar 4, 1:19 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> a sachs cx frame weighs about 3.5 lbs.  i get to see a lot of his cx
> bikes in action and they are ridden *hard.*   riding tubies at 30psi
> helps to soften things up a bit and take the edge off the rough stuff
> - but still, i think it's proof that a high quality lightweight steel
> bike need not be relegated to paved roads/smoothish surfaces.

Are the Sachs race bikes replaced annually?  I believe they are, based
on Richard Sachs' blog entries about building team bikes for his
sponsored riders.  Most of us aren't looking for single-season frames,
softie tubies or otherwise; but like you stated, a 3.5 lb steel race
frame can be done.

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Re: [RBW] Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[nathan spindel]

You could also go the route of a custom Pass & Stow rack like so:
. It's custom
made to fit around Paul canti brakes on a Quickbeam.

-nathan

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Marty  wrote:
> Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 4, 4:12 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Thanks all. Looks like I can safely commit to the brake and fork braze-
> ons and add a rack later.

Just be aware that with this set-up, the mounting point for the rack
ends up being a little further off the fork braze-ons than normal -
something to consider when settling on a rack design.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 4, 1:02 pm, rperks  wrote:
> It is common knowledge that a surly cross check is overbuilt as a
> cross bike.  Where does the Legolas fit in?  How far is a Roadeo from
> a Legolas?  or a Sachs for that matter? and what kind of abuses is one
> willing to put into the bike with respect to replacement cost and
> personal risk?

a sachs cx frame weighs about 3.5 lbs.  i get to see a lot of his cx
bikes in action and they are ridden *hard.*   riding tubies at 30psi
helps to soften things up a bit and take the edge off the rough stuff
- but still, i think it's proof that a high quality lightweight steel
bike need not be relegated to paved roads/smoothish surfaces.

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[Marty]

Thanks all. Looks like I can safely commit to the brake and fork braze-
ons and add a rack later.

Marty

On Mar 4, 4:02 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> TA used to make swell little racks that attached to the Mafac brake
> braze ons and through the center brake hole.  This worked for lighter
> weights, but would not be as stable as something that attaches to the
> brake braze ons then to the drop outs, or a separate set of braze ons
> further down the fork.
>
> On Mar 4, 12:21 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> > possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> > ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> > custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> > sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.
>
> > Marty

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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[doc]

Nope, but this one is:  
http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/touring-setup-007.jpg

Nashbar front rack with Blackburn lowriders.  I was going to get a
Jandd Extreme front rack eventually, but this setup has worked
flawlessly, all for $20.  But of course, if I was camping with a Riv,
I'd probably be more inclined to go with a Nitto setup.

On Mar 4, 9:36 am, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> yes, thats it..
> You're bike?
> do you find it's OK to do that to the braze-ons?

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[JoelMatthews]

TA used to make swell little racks that attached to the Mafac brake
braze ons and through the center brake hole.  This worked for lighter
weights, but would not be as stable as something that attaches to the
brake braze ons then to the drop outs, or a separate set of braze ons
further down the fork.

On Mar 4, 12:21 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[William]

That Hufnagel is HOT HOT HOT.

On Mar 4, 12:28 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Mar 4, 1:21 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> > possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> > ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> > custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> > sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.
>
> yes.  Paul's rack adaptor bolts work great.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hufnagelcycles/4096757221/

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[RBW] Re: 59cm XO-3 on ebay

[William]

Thanks for the link.  That's a 1992 XO-2.  Not lugged, not Japanese.
Not a great bike, IMO.  We closed those bikes out in 1992 for $220.
The thought of paying $250 for one 18 years later is beyond absurd to
me.  That one is much smaller than a 55cm also.  Probably a 48.
Again, thanks for the effort.

On Mar 4, 12:34 pm, Dave Lloyd  wrote:
> This one might be a 55:http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/1584917370.html
> (local to me in STL)
>
> --dlloyd
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:09, William  wrote:
> > There's a 59cm 1993 XO-3 on ebay.  It's super cheap as of right now
> > with 3 days to go.  I'd love to get a 55 for myself to set up as a
> > city bike.  There's not much stock on this one, if anything, but the
> > XO-3 spec wasn't anything to write home about anyway:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320495024015&ssPag...
>
> > Affordable Atlantis?
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Re: [RBW] 59cm XO-3 on ebay

[Dave Lloyd]

This one might be a 55:
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/1584917370.html
(local to me in STL)

--dlloyd



On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:09, William  wrote:

> There's a 59cm 1993 XO-3 on ebay.  It's super cheap as of right now
> with 3 days to go.  I'd love to get a 55 for myself to set up as a
> city bike.  There's not much stock on this one, if anything, but the
> XO-3 spec wasn't anything to write home about anyway:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320495024015&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>
> Affordable Atlantis?
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[Patrick in VT]

On Mar 4, 1:21 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.

yes.  Paul's rack adaptor bolts work great.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hufnagelcycles/4096757221/

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[RBW] 59cm XO-3 on ebay

[William]

There's a 59cm 1993 XO-3 on ebay.  It's super cheap as of right now
with 3 days to go.  I'd love to get a 55 for myself to set up as a
city bike.  There's not much stock on this one, if anything, but the
XO-3 spec wasn't anything to write home about anyway:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320495024015&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Affordable Atlantis?

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Aaron Thomas]

According to the table here, Ishiwata 002 it is 9/6/9:

http://www.vintage-trek.com/refurbish.htm

The Ishiwata in the table doesn't have the qualifier "E" after the
number; I don't know whether it's the same thing as the 002E of the
RB-1.

On Mar 4, 11:30 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
> And for bonus points, does anyone have an idea of the thicknesses on  
> my '90 RB-1? The brochure just says Ishiwata 022E quad-butted. I'm  
> curious. :)
>
> -nathan
>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:11 AM, reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
> > Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
> > kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
> > Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
> > anything.
>
> > On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
> >> -- Forwarded message --
>
> >> From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> >> Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> >> Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> >> To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> >>> Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> >> for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> >>> This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/
> >>> suggested
>
> >> it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> >> and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> >> even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> >> and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> >> with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> >> nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> >> they probably would.
>
> >> Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> >> really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> >> they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> >> about like the 'bouillet.
>
> >> TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie  
> >> light,
>
> >> and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> >> light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> >> who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> >> at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides  
> >> 23mm
>
> >> tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked  
> >> arms.
>
> >> So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> >> that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> >> engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> >> frame's weight.
>
> >> OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> >> than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> >> steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> >> but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> >> (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> >> but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> >> superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> >> matter.
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[Michael_S]

I ordered a new Coho Randonneuse with exactly that  set up. Chuck made
a custom rack for the bike that fits on the special Paul bolts and
some lower rack mounts on the front forks. I can't take a picture
because I had to have the fork  ID honed ( tubing defect) and it's on
its way back to me.  Seems very stable but I have not built the bike
up yet to test it out.

~Mike~

On Mar 4, 10:21 am, Marty  wrote:
> Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
> possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
> ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
> custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
> sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv hat

[johnb]

I believe this has been sold.

On Mar 4, 12:17 pm, johnb  wrote:
> I have a wool Rivendell cycling hat in orange. Very cool looking but
> does not fit my fat head. $15 covers hat and shipping to CONUS.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[nathan spindel]

And for bonus points, does anyone have an idea of the thicknesses on  
my '90 RB-1? The brochure just says Ishiwata 022E quad-butted. I'm  
curious. :)


-nathan

On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:11 AM, reynoldslugs  wrote:


Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
anything.

On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:

-- Forwarded message --

From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 

Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm

Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)

To: RBW Owners Bunch


Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks


for all your input and don't take offense.

This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/ 
suggested


it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,

and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,

even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,

and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes

with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a

nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff

they probably would.

Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here

really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,

they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,

about like the 'bouillet.

TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie  
light,


and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie

light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder

who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires

at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides  
23mm


tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked  
arms.


So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out

that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the

engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the

frame's weight.

OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger

than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated

steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,

but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal

(I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,

but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a

superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't

matter.


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rondo.

[doug peterson]

Needs more luggagenice attachment for the lights.

The only time my Atlantis looks that clean is before I hang everything
back on it after a trip.  Maybe I should pack lighter for day rides?

"the pack rat"

On Mar 3, 4:10 pm, muckum  wrote:
> Wanted to share a few recent "tweeks" to the Atlantis.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24971...@n06/sets/72157623425544101/
>
> Anybody doing Solvang Century? See you there.

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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[doug peterson]

JS:

My Atlantis came with no front eyelets ('03).  I use the Nitto M-12 &
an Acorn boxy rando all the time, and add an old Blackburn low rider
set-up for tours.  I added eyelets a while back, a dedicated pair for
each rack.  Works well except the Blackburn seems a bit flimsy (it's
aluminum & bolts together) but has not given any problems (yet).  One
of my touring buds upgraded to a Tubus Duo for his LHT and reports
it's quite stiff & solid.  I'm thinking about that as well but would
need to move my lower set of eyelets.

Check with Wayne at the Touring Store; he's quite knowledgeable.  I
THINK the reason the Duo says "needs mid fork eyelets" is perhaps it
won't work with U-bolts.  The LHT has thru fork mounts which is what
Tubus shows for the Duo.  I'm still trying to figure out if it will
work with braze-ons to either front or rear of the fork.  The Touring
Store's website has  photos & dimensions for mounting.  There's a
drawing that lists 160mm to 170mm between the mounting points for the
Duo, with the statement "you must have through-the-fork mid-fork
eyelets".

dougP

On Mar 4, 4:55 am, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently posted about picking up a nitto big front rack..and while I
> still may do that,
> I am now wondering if there is any way I could leave my mini-front
> rack on my S.H. which has mid fork eyelets brazed on and still
> use some sort of low-rider pannier mounts that could be useful in an
> upcoming trip, but that I could take off easily...
> obviously I don't want a lot of racks for super specific purposes and
> would love to just leave the mini-front on with a basket or bag on it
> and mount panniers up front-down low on occasion.
>
> here's the set up
>
> http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100056/bikeonbridge7
>
> could the Tubus low rider racks be used underneath the mini-front,
> using the same braze ons?
> I'm sure I'd need longer bolts, but I'm worried about too much weight
> on the eyelets themselves.
> I'd love to try the Tubus Duo, as there is no bar that wraps around
> the front wheel but
> I've heard this rack needs to pass through mid-fork braze
> ons..actually through the fork.
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> Thanks in Advance.
> JS

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[RBW] Re: My "old" Hillborne

[manueljohnacosta]

Awesome story Ray. I think most people on this form felt the same way
about Rivendell. I know i do.

On Mar 3, 9:38 pm, Way Rebb  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this.  I thought I'd
> share some pics of my "old" Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait,
> the pics, skip the story:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/
>
> Way back in 1982 or '83 I purchased a brand spanking new Lotus Eclair
> touring bike in Santa Cruz, CA.  That bike served me well for many
> years.  I don't know how many miles I put on it (tons) but I used it
> for school, work, grocery stores, camping, tearing through the hills,
> the valleys, rain or shine.  I didn't take long tours but did ride
> every major, and most minor, roads/trails in Santa Cruz / Monterey
> Counties probably a zillion times.
>
> Fast forward 25 years to my recent move to Livermore, CA.  This place
> is flat.  Poor old bike couldn't take that much pedaling and neither
> could I.  We were used to standing and charging up hills or getting
> low, butt back, flying down hills, very little long stretches where we
> just pedaled.  Now, the bent chainring squawked, the bent rear
> derailed squawked, my knees hurt after 30 miles or so, my neck hurt,
> shoulders, bleah. After many adjustments and attempts to make the
> endless pedaling more comfortable I decided I needed a new bike.
> Naturally I went to a bicycle store.   Unfortunately very few of the
> things they had with two wheels resembled a bicycle. I decided to hit
> garage sales and flea markets.  Not much there either.  The bikes were
> really beat up or aluminum mountain bikes or etc.  I wanted a steel
> touring bike, one that I could put racks, bags, bungee cords on and
> haul stuff.
>
> Suddenly I remembered this web site I visited.  I had purchased a
> couple of things in the past and I think they sold a bike called a…
> umm… Atlantic maybe?  It took a while to find it but it was
> Rivendell.  I saw they had the Hilsen.  It was almost what I was
> looking for except it didn't have cantilevers.   It made number 2 on
> my list.  The Kogswell made number 2 on my list as did a couple of
> others but nothing made number 1 so far.  After about four more months
> of garage sales I saw Rivendell announce the Hillborne. A bike between
> the Hilsen and Atlantis with cantilevers!  Finally a strong possible
> number 1.
>
> In Dec 08 I took a ride out to Walnut Creek.  My first visit to
> Rivendell and I was impressed.  Very friendly people and seeing the
> bikes in person was awe inspiring!   The one Hillborne was out but
> Kevin kept adjusting seat posts and saying here try this one
> (Atlantis),  here try this one (Bombadill), here try this one (Hilsen)
> until the Hillborne was back. I think I spent the entire day riding up
> and down the trail with a huge smile on my face. When I got back on
> the Lotus to ride home I immediately knew what was wrong.  The Lotus
> was way to small.  It was like riding a circus tricycle.
>
> I put a deposit on a Hillborne that day and picked it up in June of
> '09 and have been riding ever since with no pain.  The Hillborne feels
> like a luxury bike I can really stretch out on.  It takes the flats,
> hills, streams, roads, ruts, fence posts, everything like butter on a
> duck.
>
> The pictures sorta document the first six months and they are fun for
> me to look back on.  I'm surprised by how many places I've been with
> the bike considering how little free time I have.  It hasn't been just
> back and forth to work.  Bikes are a great way to get around and a
> comfortable bike is even better.  Thank you for putting up with my
> story.
>
> -Ray

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[RBW] Re: Which Handlebar Bag?

[doug peterson]

Buck:

The Barbox is about as big as you can go with a direct h'bar mount.
I'd be inclined to try to work with that, maybe with mods as suggested
above.  The Acorn one looks quite nice (I have their boxy rando bag &
love it; takes a rack, tho) - you just have to haunt their site & jump
on it when they take orders.  Definitely worth waiting for.

  Another option is a bar tube (Riv has had them; VO has one) for
carrying stuff and then a separate map case.  The pencil holders for
student notebooks are the right size for a map case & have grommets
you can use for mounting.  I used a bar tube for years & if you can
discipline yourself better than I'm able, they hold the keys/wallet/
phone/etc. but serious quanitities of real food (not powerbars!) need
a bigger bag.

dougP

On Mar 4, 7:25 am, Buck  wrote:
> Here's what I think I want for my Atlantis which is set up as a day
> bike (recently posted more Flickr pics under username ahurvitz)...
> hammered honjos, shellacked bars, Pasela's.
>
> A smallish handlebar bag for day rides. I have a Keven on the saddle
> where I keep tools, lock, mini-pump, etc. I'm looking for a bag that
> doesn't need a front rack and hopefully not a decaleur. Big enough for
> a sandwich and maybe a banana. I have a really thin windbreaker that
> scrunches up really small (sandwich bag size). An outside pocket or
> two for my cellphone. and the top large enough for a small map case
> (maybe 9x5.5).
>
> I want it to be at least as classy as the Keven. The new Sackville
> BarSack looks great, but it's larger than I want and requires the
> Nitto decaleur. And that makes it $200, which is too much. I actually
> bought a BrandV Barbox, and it was about right, but it didn't match by
> bike's style. Very utilitarian, but the velcro, etc., wasn't right. I
> bid on a couple of used Baggins bags, but they're close to $200
> including the decaleur. I've looked on peterwhitecycles, VO,
> Carradice, Zugster (nice but too expensive), etc.
>
> I'm thinking the Acorn handlebar bag would be nice and I can adapt a
> map holder. I tried ordering one the other day but they sold out
> within a couple of hours. I'd also be happy with a vintage bag in nice
> condition.
>
> Plan B is to have a friend make one out of waxed cotton. And that got
> me thinking... how come no one makes a bag that's about 10x5x5 and can
> accommodate a small map case? I'm asking because my fear is that I'll
> figure that out once it's made/bought and I realize it's too small.

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[RBW] Front Rack with Paul Racer Braze-ons?

[Marty]

Anyone try this, or know of anyone who has? Looking for a picture if
possible. I'm having an old frame fitted with the Paul Racer braze
ons, and wanted a rack up there too. The rack may end up being a
custom, or a modified stainless rack from somewhere else. Just not
sure if the special Paul bolts would accommodate a rack too. Thanks.

Marty

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[reynoldslugs]

An excellent overview, Rob.  After the Roadeo is assembled, I'll do a
triple-non-blind study, as follows:
Take the Rambouillet, Legolas, and Roadeo to the hill (about 5 miles,
2100').  Over the course of 3 - 4 hours, ride each bike up and down
the hill.  Do it again three days later, riding the bikes in different
order. Repeat every three or four days for the next 2 months.  For
longer weekend rides, rotate the bikes.  Report to list.

This experiment will result in no useable or defensible data, but will
help me get my "bucket" (that's what my tailor calls it) in shape.
RL 531

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[rperks]

Things to consider when overthinking the relationship between the tube
cross sections in relation to a bike's ride and the physical abilities
of the frame.  I am speeking from my own conclusions in progress,
based on armchair engineering and too much re-reading of BQ.  Bicyle
frames while appearing basic are really a fairly complex collection of
three dimensional tubes with more possible combinations than I can
really get my head around.

As Grant was quoted above the way you ride will play a huge roll.

How you pedal, natural cadence etc. may or may not have a certain
synergy with different bicycles in different conditions.

Heat treated steels will flex to a greater extent without plastic
deformation than a non heat treated steel, and therefore are used in
lighter or thinner sections, but the tube OD is generally increased to
moderate flex.  So does that infer that I can bounce around on my
Roadeo, it will flex more, but not retain a cold set from the
bending?  Do I want to experiment with a $2k inventment and increased
risk?  hell yeah, otherwise i would buy a bike build out of 1mm
straight gage and have giant legs.

It is common knowledge that a surly cross check is overbuilt as a
cross bike.  Where does the Legolas fit in?  How far is a Roadeo from
a Legolas?  or a Sachs for that matter? and what kind of abuses is one
willing to put into the bike with respect to replacement cost and
personal risk?

Back to the OP's question, I would still love to have all the historic
data to, overthinking it is part of the fun

Rob

P.S. something like this:
http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/35/
would let you disect a frame with tube thicknesses 0.5mm and greater,
even map out the butts, I keep meaning to ask Jan if they can get
their hands on one, he made his way into a wind tunel for goodness
sake he should be able to get one of these.



On Mar 4, 8:46 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Thanks for that!  Remember the brochures for the Ram & Rom?  They were
> described as go anywhere road bikes, with photos of the bikes off
> road.  And many of us have discovered, the Ram/Rom can take a lickin'
> off road.  I'm not sure I'd do the same with a Roadeo, which is made
> for the road.  This being said, the Ram/Rom can be built into a light
> build, and it's comfortable and it can haul.  They are on the road
> side of the all-rounder.  The Roadeo seems more purpose-built... Which
> is cool!
>
> On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
>
>
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
>
> > From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> > Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> > Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> > for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> > it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> > and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> > even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> > and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> > with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> > nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> > they probably would.
>
> > Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> > really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> > they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> > about like the 'bouillet.
>
> > TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> > and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> > light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> > who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> > at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> > tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> > So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> > that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> > engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> > frame's weight.
>
> > OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> > than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> > steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> > but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> > (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> > but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> > superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> > matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Dustin Sharp]

Didn't someone mention earlier that the tubes on the larger Roadeos are the
same if not beefier than the Rambos?  If so, I'm not sure why so much is
being made of it being a light bike that isn't designed for any kind of a
load whatsoever. 


> From: newenglandbike 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:21:37 -0800 (PST)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo
> 
> I remember from this post that most of Rivendell's frames are 8/5/8:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/9b63d62ff
> d368e31/829ef6df4ed06b49?q=#829ef6df4ed06b49
> 
> Which makes it seem strange that the larger sizes of the Roadeo would
> be 8/6/8-   since that would make it beefier than their other more
> trail-oriented frames such as the AHH (if the above post implies that
> the AHH 8/5/8 and the Quickbeam).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 12:11 pm, reynoldslugs  wrote:
>> Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
>> Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
>> kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
>> Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
>> anything.
>> 
>> On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>> 
>>> From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>> 
>>> Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>> 
>>> Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>> 
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch
>> 
 Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>> 
>>> for all your input and don't take offense.
>> 
 This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>> 
>>> it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>> 
>>> and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>> 
>>> even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>> 
>>> and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>> 
>>> with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>> 
>>> nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>> 
>>> they probably would.
>> 
>>> Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>> 
>>> really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>> 
>>> they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>> 
>>> about like the 'bouillet.
>> 
>>> TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>> 
>>> and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>> 
>>> light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>> 
>>> who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>> 
>>> at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>> 
>>> tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>> 
>>> So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>> 
>>> that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>> 
>>> engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>> 
>>> frame's weight.
>> 
>>> OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>> 
>>> than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>> 
>>> steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>> 
>>> but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>> 
>>> (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>> 
>>> but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>> 
>>> superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>> 
>>> matter.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[newenglandbike]

>From this post from a little while ago it seems that most Rivendell
frames have 8/5/8 main triangle tubes:

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/9b63d62ffd368e31/829ef6df4ed06b49?q=#829ef6df4ed06b49

Which makes it seem strange that the Roadeo would have 8/6/8 tubing in
sizes above 57, since that would mean the tubing is beefier than in
their other, more trail-oriented frames such as the AHH (if the AHH
has 8/5/8 tubes) and the Quickbeam, for example.



On Mar 4, 12:11 pm, reynoldslugs  wrote:
> Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
> Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
> kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
> Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
> anything.
>
> On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
>
> > From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> > Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> > Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> > for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> > it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> > and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> > even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> > and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> > with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> > nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> > they probably would.
>
> > Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> > really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> > they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> > about like the 'bouillet.
>
> > TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> > and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> > light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> > who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> > at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> > tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> > So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> > that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> > engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> > frame's weight.
>
> > OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> > than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> > steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> > but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> > (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> > but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> > superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> > matter.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[newenglandbike]

>From this post a little while ago, most of Rivendell's frames have
8/5/8 for the main triangle:

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/...

Which makes it seem strange, that the larger sizes of the Roadeo would
be 8/6/8-   since that would make it beefier than their other, more
trail-oriented frames, such as the AHH (if the above post implies that
the AHH has 8/5/8 TT and DT, and the Quickbeam as well for example).

On Mar 4, 12:11 pm, reynoldslugs  wrote:
> Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
> Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
> kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
> Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
> anything.
>
> On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
>
> > From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> > Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> > Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> > for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> > it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> > and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> > even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> > and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> > with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> > nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> > they probably would.
>
> > Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> > really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> > they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> > about like the 'bouillet.
>
> > TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> > and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> > light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> > who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> > at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> > tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> > So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> > that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> > engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> > frame's weight.
>
> > OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> > than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> > steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> > but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> > (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> > but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> > superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> > matter.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[newenglandbike]

I remember from this post that most of Rivendell's frames are 8/5/8:

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/9b63d62ffd368e31/829ef6df4ed06b49?q=#829ef6df4ed06b49

Which makes it seem strange that the larger sizes of the Roadeo would
be 8/6/8-   since that would make it beefier than their other more
trail-oriented frames such as the AHH (if the above post implies that
the AHH 8/5/8 and the Quickbeam).




On Mar 4, 12:11 pm, reynoldslugs  wrote:
> Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
> Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
> kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
> Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
> anything.
>
> On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
>
> > From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> > Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> > Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> > for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> > it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> > and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> > even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> > and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> > with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> > nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> > they probably would.
>
> > Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> > really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> > they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> > about like the 'bouillet.
>
> > TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> > and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> > light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> > who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> > at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> > tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> > So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> > that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> > engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> > frame's weight.
>
> > OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> > than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> > steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> > but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> > (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> > but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> > superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> > matter.

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[RBW] FS: Riv hat

[johnb]

I have a wool Rivendell cycling hat in orange. Very cool looking but
does not fit my fat head. $15 covers hat and shipping to CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[reynoldslugs]

Thanks for finding that... 8/6/8 for the larger sizes makes sense.
Now, for the last piece of the puzzle - and for the prize cigar and
kewpie doll - did Grant ever post the tubeset thicknesses for the
Rambouillet?  I looked back in old Readers and couldn't locate
anything.

On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
>
> From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> they probably would.
>
> Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> about like the 'bouillet.
>
> TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> frame's weight.
>
> OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> matter.

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[RBW] Re: Which Handlebar Bag?

[JoelMatthews]

> I do like my Zugster Rando bag (10x8x8"), as it keeps everything covered and
> leaves room for food and bulkier (wintery) clothing layers.

Way to drive it home to us folks who are five months into a possible
three year wait ;)

They do appear to be great bags anyway.

On Mar 4, 10:43 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 3/4/10 7:25 AM, Buck at ahurv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Plan B is to have a friend make one out of waxed cotton. And that got
> > me thinking... how come no one makes a bag that's about 10x5x5 and can
> > accommodate a small map case? I'm asking because my fear is that I'll
> > figure that out once it's made/bought and I realize it's too small.
>
> Interesting question.  I'm definitely a fan of smaller bags, as I manage to
> fill them up regardless of size.  The NS L'il Loafer has been an absolute
> favorite, and it's roughly the size you describe (~9x5x5"). Obviously, it's
> designed to go on the Mini Front/Mark's Rack (pretty easy on/off for a canti
> brake setup, btw...), but sizewise, I can stow enough in it for the day.
>
> If you go the homebrew way, I'd have your friend tack on four "D" rings on
> the front - can't tell you how many times the shock cord lashdown method has
> been used.  
>
> I do like my Zugster Rando bag (10x8x8"), as it keeps everything covered and
> leaves room for food and bulkier (wintery) clothing layers.
>
> hope that helps,
>
> - Jim
>
> --
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> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[Thaddeus]

I am running the Nitto M12 + Tubus duo lowrider racks,  I can add or
remove the duo's in about 15 minutes for a camping trip or a brevet,
depending on what kind of ride i'm doing.  So far, it has been a
pretty versatile setup.  I have never used a big-rack, so I can't make
a direct comparison, but the front end feels very rigid when fully
loaded. I also have through-the-fork lowrider mounts.  I wouldn't
trust too much weight on mid-fork brazed on eyelets.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Esteban]

Thanks for that!  Remember the brochures for the Ram & Rom?  They were
described as go anywhere road bikes, with photos of the bikes off
road.  And many of us have discovered, the Ram/Rom can take a lickin'
off road.  I'm not sure I'd do the same with a Roadeo, which is made
for the road.  This being said, the Ram/Rom can be built into a light
build, and it's comfortable and it can haul.  They are on the road
side of the all-rounder.  The Roadeo seems more purpose-built... Which
is cool!

On Mar 4, 7:31 am, Horace  wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
>
> From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 
>
> Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm
>
> Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)
>
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
> > Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks
>
> for all your input and don't take offense.
>
> > This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested
>
> it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,
>
> and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,
>
> even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,
>
> and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes
>
> with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a
>
> nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff
>
> they probably would.
>
> Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here
>
> really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,
>
> they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,
>
> about like the 'bouillet.
>
> TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,
>
> and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie
>
> light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder
>
> who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires
>
> at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm
>
> tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.
>
> So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out
>
> that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the
>
> engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the
>
> frame's weight.
>
> OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger
>
> than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated
>
> steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,
>
> but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal
>
> (I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,
>
> but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a
>
> superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't
>
> matter.

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Re: [RBW] Which Handlebar Bag?

[CycloFiend]

on 3/4/10 7:25 AM, Buck at ahurv...@gmail.com wrote:

> Plan B is to have a friend make one out of waxed cotton. And that got
> me thinking... how come no one makes a bag that's about 10x5x5 and can
> accommodate a small map case? I'm asking because my fear is that I'll
> figure that out once it's made/bought and I realize it's too small.

Interesting question.  I'm definitely a fan of smaller bags, as I manage to
fill them up regardless of size.  The NS L'il Loafer has been an absolute
favorite, and it's roughly the size you describe (~9x5x5"). Obviously, it's
designed to go on the Mini Front/Mark's Rack (pretty easy on/off for a canti
brake setup, btw...), but sizewise, I can stow enough in it for the day.

If you go the homebrew way, I'd have your friend tack on four "D" rings on
the front - can't tell you how many times the shock cord lashdown method has
been used.  

I do like my Zugster Rando bag (10x8x8"), as it keeps everything covered and
leaves room for food and bulkier (wintery) clothing layers.

hope that helps,

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] My "old" Hillborne

[James Dinneen]

Nice bike, nice story, great pictures and good notes on the pictures. The notes 
really help to show the defelopment of the bike and rig. Makes me ( in snowy 
Massachusetts ) long for the ability to get out and ride. I am not as hardy 
(crazy?) as the guys from Minnesota or Vermont, who ride during winter. It may 
be snowing here today, but I know Spring is near.  Thanks for the effort to 
share. Keep up the documentation. Jim D.    
Massachusetts

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From: Way Rebb 
Subject: [RBW] My "old" Hillborne
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 12:38 AM


Hello,

You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this.  I thought I'd
share some pics of my "old" Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait,
the pics, skip the story:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/

Way back in 1982 or '83 I purchased a brand spanking new Lotus Eclair
touring bike in Santa Cruz, CA.  That bike served me well for many
years.  I don't know how many miles I put on it (tons) but I used it
for school, work, grocery stores, camping, tearing through the hills,
the valleys, rain or shine.  I didn't take long tours but did ride
every major, and most minor, roads/trails in Santa Cruz / Monterey
Counties probably a zillion times.

Fast forward 25 years to my recent move to Livermore, CA.  This place
is flat.  Poor old bike couldn't take that much pedaling and neither
could I.  We were used to standing and charging up hills or getting
low, butt back, flying down hills, very little long stretches where we
just pedaled.  Now, the bent chainring squawked, the bent rear
derailed squawked, my knees hurt after 30 miles or so, my neck hurt,
shoulders, bleah. After many adjustments and attempts to make the
endless pedaling more comfortable I decided I needed a new bike.
Naturally I went to a bicycle store.   Unfortunately very few of the
things they had with two wheels resembled a bicycle. I decided to hit
garage sales and flea markets.  Not much there either.  The bikes were
really beat up or aluminum mountain bikes or etc.  I wanted a steel
touring bike, one that I could put racks, bags, bungee cords on and
haul stuff.

Suddenly I remembered this web site I visited.  I had purchased a
couple of things in the past and I think they sold a bike called a…
umm… Atlantic maybe?  It took a while to find it but it was
Rivendell.  I saw they had the Hilsen.  It was almost what I was
looking for except it didn't have cantilevers.   It made number 2 on
my list.  The Kogswell made number 2 on my list as did a couple of
others but nothing made number 1 so far.  After about four more months
of garage sales I saw Rivendell announce the Hillborne. A bike between
the Hilsen and Atlantis with cantilevers!  Finally a strong possible
number 1.

In Dec 08 I took a ride out to Walnut Creek.  My first visit to
Rivendell and I was impressed.  Very friendly people and seeing the
bikes in person was awe inspiring!   The one Hillborne was out but
Kevin kept adjusting seat posts and saying here try this one
(Atlantis),  here try this one (Bombadill), here try this one (Hilsen)
until the Hillborne was back. I think I spent the entire day riding up
and down the trail with a huge smile on my face. When I got back on
the Lotus to ride home I immediately knew what was wrong.  The Lotus
was way to small.  It was like riding a circus tricycle.

I put a deposit on a Hillborne that day and picked it up in June of
'09 and have been riding ever since with no pain.  The Hillborne feels
like a luxury bike I can really stretch out on.  It takes the flats,
hills, streams, roads, ruts, fence posts, everything like butter on a
duck.

The pictures sorta document the first six months and they are fun for
me to look back on.  I'm surprised by how many places I've been with
the bike considering how little free time I have.  It hasn't been just
back and forth to work.  Bikes are a great way to get around and a
comfortable bike is even better.  Thank you for putting up with my
story.

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rondo.

[muckum]

à la votre to you and your fine rig. Looks cushy.

On Mar 3, 7:53 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Cheers to your Frenchy-fied 
> Riv:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4309012429/sizes/l/
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Mar 3, 4:10 pm, muckum  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wanted to share a few recent "tweeks" to the Atlantis.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24971...@n06/sets/72157623425544101/
>
> > Anybody doing Solvang Century? See you there.

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[RBW] Old Nitto CrMo Bullmoose bars on ebay

[Earl Grey]

http://tinyurl.com/y8tr9a9

No connection, don't know seller, but thought someone here might be
interested.

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rondo.

[muckum]

That would be adjusted.

On Mar 4, 8:03 am, muckum  wrote:
> I need to confirm but I recall it is a 6cm. Shortened reach when I
> adjested my saddle aft.
>
> On Mar 3, 4:16 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Looks great!
>
> > How long is that stem?
>
> > Dustin> From: muckum 
> > > Reply-To: 
> > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:10:46 -0800 (PST)
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > Subject: [RBW] Atlantis Rondo.
>
> > > Wanted to share a few recent "tweeks" to the Atlantis.
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24971...@n06/sets/72157623425544101/
>
> > > Anybody doing Solvang Century? See you there.
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rondo.

[muckum]

I need to confirm but I recall it is a 6cm. Shortened reach when I
adjested my saddle aft.

On Mar 3, 4:16 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> Looks great!
>
> How long is that stem?
>
> Dustin> From: muckum 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:10:46 -0800 (PST)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Subject: [RBW] Atlantis Rondo.
>
> > Wanted to share a few recent "tweeks" to the Atlantis.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/24971...@n06/sets/72157623425544101/
>
> > Anybody doing Solvang Century? See you there.
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[RBW] Re: My "old" Hillborne

[RoadieRyan]

Thanks for the story Ray nice setup on the Sam-like the bar tape and
the "final" bag set up

On Mar 3, 9:38 pm, Way Rebb  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this.  I thought I'd
> share some pics of my "old" Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait,
> the pics, skip the story:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/
>
> Way back in 1982 or '83 I purchased a brand spanking new Lotus Eclair
> touring bike in Santa Cruz, CA.  That bike served me well for many
> years.  I don't know how many miles I put on it (tons) but I used it
> for school, work, grocery stores, camping, tearing through the hills,
> the valleys, rain or shine.  I didn't take long tours but did ride
> every major, and most minor, roads/trails in Santa Cruz / Monterey
> Counties probably a zillion times.
>
> Fast forward 25 years to my recent move to Livermore, CA.  This place
> is flat.  Poor old bike couldn't take that much pedaling and neither
> could I.  We were used to standing and charging up hills or getting
> low, butt back, flying down hills, very little long stretches where we
> just pedaled.  Now, the bent chainring squawked, the bent rear
> derailed squawked, my knees hurt after 30 miles or so, my neck hurt,
> shoulders, bleah. After many adjustments and attempts to make the
> endless pedaling more comfortable I decided I needed a new bike.
> Naturally I went to a bicycle store.   Unfortunately very few of the
> things they had with two wheels resembled a bicycle. I decided to hit
> garage sales and flea markets.  Not much there either.  The bikes were
> really beat up or aluminum mountain bikes or etc.  I wanted a steel
> touring bike, one that I could put racks, bags, bungee cords on and
> haul stuff.
>
> Suddenly I remembered this web site I visited.  I had purchased a
> couple of things in the past and I think they sold a bike called a…
> umm… Atlantic maybe?  It took a while to find it but it was
> Rivendell.  I saw they had the Hilsen.  It was almost what I was
> looking for except it didn't have cantilevers.   It made number 2 on
> my list.  The Kogswell made number 2 on my list as did a couple of
> others but nothing made number 1 so far.  After about four more months
> of garage sales I saw Rivendell announce the Hillborne. A bike between
> the Hilsen and Atlantis with cantilevers!  Finally a strong possible
> number 1.
>
> In Dec 08 I took a ride out to Walnut Creek.  My first visit to
> Rivendell and I was impressed.  Very friendly people and seeing the
> bikes in person was awe inspiring!   The one Hillborne was out but
> Kevin kept adjusting seat posts and saying here try this one
> (Atlantis),  here try this one (Bombadill), here try this one (Hilsen)
> until the Hillborne was back. I think I spent the entire day riding up
> and down the trail with a huge smile on my face. When I got back on
> the Lotus to ride home I immediately knew what was wrong.  The Lotus
> was way to small.  It was like riding a circus tricycle.
>
> I put a deposit on a Hillborne that day and picked it up in June of
> '09 and have been riding ever since with no pain.  The Hillborne feels
> like a luxury bike I can really stretch out on.  It takes the flats,
> hills, streams, roads, ruts, fence posts, everything like butter on a
> duck.
>
> The pictures sorta document the first six months and they are fun for
> me to look back on.  I'm surprised by how many places I've been with
> the bike considering how little free time I have.  It hasn't been just
> back and forth to work.  Bikes are a great way to get around and a
> comfortable bike is even better.  Thank you for putting up with my
> story.
>
> -Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[Horace]

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From: "gr...@rivbike.com" 

Date: Jul 9 2009, 1:21 pm

Subject: Frame-Bike Plans (some)

To: RBW Owners Bunch



> Newlite Roadbike. TheROADEO<---final name, final spelling, thanks

for all your input and don't take offense.


> This is really Mark's bike, by which I mean he asked for it/suggested

it as a bike for clubbies. He's a club rider a couple of days a week,

and rides his cross bikes--which to me are light enough, at 19-20lb,

even with fatty tires (and he's still the fastest by a good margin,

and the humblest). But he sees his fellow clubbies buying road bikes

with carbon this and that, and was thinking hmm, they should get a

nice lugged steel bike, and if we made it light enough and roadynuff

they probably would.

Originally,'twas gunnabe for short reach brakes, but nobody here

really rides with those anymore, so, with some input from Jay's,

they'll use standard reach brakes, which means...about 56mm reach,

about like the 'bouillet.

TUBING: The goal is a clubbie bike, so it's going to be clubbie light,

and it should, ideally, be ridding by somebody who is, if not clubbie

light, at least knows how to ride light. A Nureyev-like 225-pounder

who lifts over bumps and veers around pothholes and rides 32mm tires

at 85psi rides lighter than a Nagurski-like 150-pounder who rides 23mm

tires at 115psi and hits everything with a stiff body and locked arms.

So, it's hard to give this bike a weight limit. I should point out

that you aren't buying an engine with this bike; you're supplying the

engine, and it's good to somewhat match the engine's weight with the

frame's weight.

OK: Up to 57cm, the main tube butts are 0.65, with 0.4bellies. Bigger

than that, 0.8 butts with 0.6bellies. It's superstrong heat-treated

steel, so strength isn't much of an issue. Flex is more of an issue,

but nobody really anymore believes that flexless frames are the goal

(I never have). A more rigid frame matters if you're toting weight,

but not as much if you aren't, and as we introduce this as a

superlight clubbie-bike, its flex-under-a-touring-load shouldn't

matter.

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Re: [RBW] Which Handlebar Bag?

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Buck  wrote:
>
> I want it to be at least as classy as the Keven. The new Sackville
> BarSack looks great, but it's larger than I want and requires the
> Nitto decaleur. And that makes it $200, which is too much. I actually
> bought a BrandV Barbox, and it was about right, but it didn't match by
> bike's style. Very utilitarian, but the velcro, etc., wasn't right. I
> bid on a couple of used Baggins bags, but they're close to $200
> including the decaleur. I've looked on peterwhitecycles, VO,
> Carradice, Zugster (nice but too expensive), etc.
>
> I'm thinking the Acorn handlebar bag would be nice and I can adapt a
> map holder. I tried ordering one the other day but they sold out
> within a couple of hours. I'd also be happy with a vintage bag in nice
> condition.
>
> Plan B is to have a friend make one out of waxed cotton. And that got
> me thinking... how come no one makes a bag that's about 10x5x5 and can
> accommodate a small map case? I'm asking because my fear is that I'll
> figure that out once it's made/bought and I realize it's too small.


If you have a friend who can make the one then that same friend can
likely pull off the velcro straps from the brand-v bag and put on
whatever kind you'd like.

I've got  a brand-v seat bag and I've looked at it. Probably 10
minutes with a seam ripper to get the velcro off and however long to
put the new one on. The bags aren't so bulky to make them impossible
to get under a presserfoot.

Ask them  - it'll save you a lot of money and the brand-v bag is very nice.

just an idea.
-sv

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[RBW] Which Handlebar Bag?

[Buck]

Here's what I think I want for my Atlantis which is set up as a day
bike (recently posted more Flickr pics under username ahurvitz)...
hammered honjos, shellacked bars, Pasela's.

A smallish handlebar bag for day rides. I have a Keven on the saddle
where I keep tools, lock, mini-pump, etc. I'm looking for a bag that
doesn't need a front rack and hopefully not a decaleur. Big enough for
a sandwich and maybe a banana. I have a really thin windbreaker that
scrunches up really small (sandwich bag size). An outside pocket or
two for my cellphone. and the top large enough for a small map case
(maybe 9x5.5).

I want it to be at least as classy as the Keven. The new Sackville
BarSack looks great, but it's larger than I want and requires the
Nitto decaleur. And that makes it $200, which is too much. I actually
bought a BrandV Barbox, and it was about right, but it didn't match by
bike's style. Very utilitarian, but the velcro, etc., wasn't right. I
bid on a couple of used Baggins bags, but they're close to $200
including the decaleur. I've looked on peterwhitecycles, VO,
Carradice, Zugster (nice but too expensive), etc.

I'm thinking the Acorn handlebar bag would be nice and I can adapt a
map holder. I tried ordering one the other day but they sold out
within a couple of hours. I'd also be happy with a vintage bag in nice
condition.

Plan B is to have a friend make one out of waxed cotton. And that got
me thinking... how come no one makes a bag that's about 10x5x5 and can
accommodate a small map case? I'm asking because my fear is that I'll
figure that out once it's made/bought and I realize it's too small.

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[RBW] Re: Tubesets: Rambouillet v Roadeo

[clevewh...@gmail.com]

I recall Grant's early post on the then up-coming Roadeo saying 6-4-6
for the main triangle, and I assume he was talking about a size that
fit him - maybe a 58cm?  That would certainly make for a "lively"
ride!

I have a 54cm Rambouillet, and I too think it is overbuilt for
spirited riding.  In fact, I use it for my commuter/grocery getter and
touring because of it's stiffness.  I've learned to ride it with these
loads, but it requires a lot of attention.

This year I'm planning some touring with a front loading bike - we'll
see how that goes.


On Mar 3, 10:24 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> From what I recall, the smaller frame sizes use heat-treated OS tubing
> with .6/.38/.6. butts and bellies.
>
> My memory is not so good on the larger frame sizes, but something like
> OS .8/.5/.8 seems to ring a bell (but don't quote me on it).
>
> Grant outlined it in a post on this list, but I cannot find it right
> off the bat in the archives. With a little digging I'm sure someone
> could uncover it.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Mar 3, 8:12 pm, reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
> > Curious whether the butts and bellies of the Roadeo are same, or
> > lighter gauge, than the Rambouillet.  Does any member of the tribe
> > have data?
> > thanks
> > TTM/RL 531
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My "old" Hillborne

[Mike]

Great story, great looking bike. Welcome to the group. Keep pictures
and ride reports coming.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[jandrews_nyc]

yes, thats it..
You're bike?
do you find it's OK to do that to the braze-ons?

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[RBW] Re: questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[doc]

Do you mean like this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22253...@n00/3905485108/in/pool-classicbicycles



On Mar 4, 7:55 am, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently posted about picking up a nitto big front rack..and while I
> still may do that,
> I am now wondering if there is any way I could leave my mini-front
> rack on my S.H. which has mid fork eyelets brazed on and still
> use some sort of low-rider pannier mounts that could be useful in an
> upcoming trip, but that I could take off easily...
> obviously I don't want a lot of racks for super specific purposes and
> would love to just leave the mini-front on with a basket or bag on it
> and mount panniers up front-down low on occasion.
>
> here's the set up
>
> http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100056/bikeonbridge7
>
> could the Tubus low rider racks be used underneath the mini-front,
> using the same braze ons?
> I'm sure I'd need longer bolts, but I'm worried about too much weight
> on the eyelets themselves.
> I'd love to try the Tubus Duo, as there is no bar that wraps around
> the front wheel but
> I've heard this rack needs to pass through mid-fork braze
> ons..actually through the fork.
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> Thanks in Advance.
> JS

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[RBW] questions about a low-rider rack while still using a mini-front on top

[jandrews_nyc]

Hi,
I recently posted about picking up a nitto big front rack..and while I
still may do that,
I am now wondering if there is any way I could leave my mini-front
rack on my S.H. which has mid fork eyelets brazed on and still
use some sort of low-rider pannier mounts that could be useful in an
upcoming trip, but that I could take off easily...
obviously I don't want a lot of racks for super specific purposes and
would love to just leave the mini-front on with a basket or bag on it
and mount panniers up front-down low on occasion.

here's the set up

http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100056/bikeonbridge7

could the Tubus low rider racks be used underneath the mini-front,
using the same braze ons?
I'm sure I'd need longer bolts, but I'm worried about too much weight
on the eyelets themselves.
I'd love to try the Tubus Duo, as there is no bar that wraps around
the front wheel but
I've heard this rack needs to pass through mid-fork braze
ons..actually through the fork.

Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks in Advance.
JS

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