[RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[Philip Williamson]

Nope. The bigger the spread, the LESS axle movement in the different
gears. If the the rear cogs are 8 teeth apart, then the axle stays in
the same position in high and low gear, and you could (theoretically)
have vertical dropouts and a two-speed.

I'd go with the 16/19, because I'm an extremist.

The bigger the tire (or the more you care about fender line), the less
you want to move the axle. Even with the nice long QB/S1 dropouts,
I've been using gear ratios that don't move the axle much. The bike
feels a little different when you move the wheel around, you have to
fuss with the fender line, and if you have a little OCD, then it's
really satisfying when the numbers line up elegantly...

I like the 40/32 chainrings paired with a 17/21 Surly "Dingle" fixed
cog on my Quickbeam, and I just built up a coasting bike with 32/36
rings and 14/18 cogs: http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/maxs-new-bike/


 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Jul 7, 9:26 am, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> I know there have already been some posts on this topic, but I just wanted
> to check in about something...
> If one wanted to set up a SimpleOne with the 40/32 "quickbeam" crankset and
> with a White Ind DOS freewheel, is it true that it would have to be either
> the 16/18 or the 17/19 freewheel and NOT the 16/19 because of the 8 tooth
> difference the frame is designed around?

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[RBW] Re: Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?

[Jay]

Ironic ending is I decided to go for the interupter levers and the
shop I'm working with can't find anything reasonably priced that will
work with v-brakes. I mentioned the Tektro RL740 on the Riv site but
their distributers don't stock 'em. If I want to later I know that I
can order them from Riv and install them myself.

Thanks for all the input. Very helpful bunch, this is.

Jay

On Jul 1, 6:55 pm, Jay  wrote:
> I bought Forrest's Sam Hillborne and am having it built for commuting
> in a mix of interurban roads and city traffic and the occasional tour.
> Coming from a sordid MTB past, I currently commute on an old steel
> mountain bike with slicks. I ordered the Nitto Noodle bars on faith,
> never having actually used drop bars before.
> I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to go with cross style
> interrupter levers either in addition to or instead of the drop bar
> brake levers for better control in traffic.
> Or is it just a matter of getting used to the drop bar levers?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: Belated Hunqapillar new owner report/photo

[brian tester]

Hi Geoff. Nice Hunq!
I have been thinking a little bit about the Bullmoose. I agree that it
seems ideal for the Hunqapillar.
Some eyeballing has led me to believe my current position with the
Ahearne bar is very close to what I would get with a BM. Bullmoose
looks so nice though!

-B.

On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, Geoff  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Congrats on your new(+2 mths) Hunqapillar!  Great pic!  
>
> I recently got my Hunqapillar, too, and love riding it, though on far more
> civilized roads(black top and other smooth paved) than you've been.
>
> The Albatross bar's a great bar.  My wife has one on her Betty Foy and loves
> it.  Another bar consideration would be the Bullmoose bar, which seems ideal
> for the likes of the Hunqapillar and the Bombadil.  I have one on my Hunq,
> and I love it.  It's a beautiful bar, and I love how the sweepback places
> the grips at such a natural angle.  My hands and wrists really appreciate
> it.  Handling with the Bullmoose bar is superb.  I can only imagine how
> awesome it would be for navigating down rough trails like Bolinas Ridge.
>
> Here's a poor photo of my setup: My Hunqapillar 
> cockpit
>   (The
> grips are Brooks Slender Grips)
>
> Enjoy your Hunq!
>
> Geoff

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[RBW] Re: Belated Hunqapillar new owner report/photo

[Joe Bernard]

You guys are killing me with the Hunqapillar pics. What a gorgeous bike! 
Diggin' the "RBW" decal on the seat-tube. I've been wanting Riv to do that 
for a long time. It goes a way towards tying what appear to most eyes to be 
bikes from different companies together under one brand. That's a convoluted 
sentence, isn't it? Put another way, a non-Rivvy-type person seeing an 
Atlantis sail by thinks it's made by "Atlantis". The Hunqapillar is more 
clearly a "Rivendell Hunqapillar". Better. 
 
Joe "I think I'll hang around Bolinas and wait for one to go by" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Miyata 1000 for sale in North Bay, CA

[Nick]

I am selling an '84 Miyata 1000 in Santa Rosa with all-original
components (incl. Deer Head derailleurs).  This is a wonderful bike,
great on long loaded tours or overnight dirt-trail excursions.  The
only reason I'm considering a sale is I want to put down the money on
a custom frame.  I am asking $1200 for complete bike in its current
setup (Technomic+Promenades+SunTour Thumbies+Tektro levers), and I'm
throwing in the original bars/stem/brakes and clamp-on Shimano DT
shifters, as well as the original tires and some handy SKS fenders.
Plenty of bang for the buck.  The CL ad is here:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/2482282054.html


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[RBW] New Herse Crank (and BQ Spoiler Alert!)

[Brian Hanson]

I know this is a bit of a crossover, but I haven't seen it discussed yet.
Jan (Bicycle Quarterly) announced the crank they are working on:
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/rene-herse-cranks/

This looks like an ideal crank for my Hilsen now that I've tried and liked a
compact'ish double.  Jan makes a good point about a triple arm being plenty
strong, but it's certainly something I've not seen yet.  Has anyone used
something like this from the "olden days"?

BTW - my BQ arrived yesterday - good stuff as usual.  An interesting
comparison between tire size  showing basically no difference from a power
required to maintain speed.  He talks about pressure making a far bigger
difference in power required (lower is better to a point).

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[charlie]

I use the 16-19 with a 39x36 but it would work with a 40x32 also. I
find I ride 90% of the time in the 39x16 (66") but plan on a 22 tooth
freewheel for the flip side for off road and steeper climbs. I use my
36x19 primarily for hills & headwinds or just when I am puttering
around. I don't find that I need the super lows of my geared bike
because I save energy for climbs by spinning on the flats and coasting
on downhills. If I were doing a serious amount of climbing I would
just set the bike up with lower over all gearing or use a geared bike
but.. odd as it may sound I haven't found the need to do so. My
Simple One gets me up all the steep hills in my area in the 51" plus I
climb them faster. I'm slower on the flats and down hill but not by
much however my overall times are nearly the same.

On Jul 7, 9:26 am, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> I know there have already been some posts on this topic, but I just wanted
> to check in about something...
> If one wanted to set up a SimpleOne with the 40/32 "quickbeam" crankset and
> with a White Ind DOS freewheel, is it true that it would have to be either
> the 16/18 or the 17/19 freewheel and NOT the 16/19 because of the 8 tooth
> difference the frame is designed around?

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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 installation?

[Zack]

So I am going to give this a shot - find an old fender mounted tail light. 
 Gut it.  Install the E3 tail light.  Attach to fender.  Hopefully it works!

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[RBW] Re: FS: phil fix/free laced to mavic a719 | nitto front rack

[erik jensen]

Hi Folks,

Everything has sold.

Thanks to the many inquiries, apologies to those who I wasn't able to reply
directly to.

More on the way.

Cheers,

erik

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:51 PM, erik jensen  wrote:

> ~*Phil Wood Fix/Free High Flange Hub, 120mm*, laced to a Mavic A719
> (silver!) with wheelsmith spokes (36h). All silver. It's an amazing wheel,
> and has been used lightly. I put less than 1000 miles on, most of fixed so
> there's very little brake wear. I built it myself! I build good wheels! I
> have a front schmidt hub with thousands of miles of abuse loaded offroad and
> on, true as day 1. You'll enjoy this wheel. It's good. There's a small ding
> in the rim but I can't feel it when braking. 120 bucks, I'll ship or you can
> pick it up in the bay. Lockring included. I'll also toss in a 19t fixed
> surly cog if you want it.
>
> ~*Nitto Big Front Rack*, but not with the typical triangulation. Not sure
> of the specific model, but it's lightly used and super functional. This is
> what it looks like, 
> perfect for your next 
> tour. Thought it might be useful on my hunqapillar,
> but it never was used so I'm getting rid of it for something I would. 80
> dollars.
>
> Some other items will roll out in the next few days, but it kills me to
> have this stuff just collecting dust in my basement. Again, you can pick it
> up locally (I'm in oakland), or I'm happy to ship.
>
> *Will Trade For:* Paul Interrupter Levers, Paul Canti Brake Levers, Phil
> or White Industries rear cassette hub, 700c Schwalbes of various breeds
> (tell me what you have).
>
> Don't like my price? Make an offer.
>
> Thanks!
>
> erik
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[RBW] Re: replacing bearings in Phil "Rivy" FW hub

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Thanks folks! All of the info I've gotten (here and elsewhere) is
consistent with the instructions on the site in concept (not all
details, though... e.g. my hub needs 5mm allen wrenches, not 8),

So I think it is simply that I was being too shy with it. I'll give it
another go over the next couple of weeks and post my experience here.

(This time I won't have to first spend hours trying to get the
freewheel off I bought a cheap-but-massive pipe wrench!)

Thanks!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Jul 6, 11:35 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> i unscrewed one side, turned the wheel over and smacked down hard on the
> axle. out popped bearing 1, bearing two came out just as easy.
>
> don't be shy with it.
>
> erik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Dlbracey  wrote:
> > I've had the same problem.  I contacted Phil Wood by email and I've
> > pasted the response below.  Unfortunately I still couldn't get it to
> > work with these instructions.  I just put it back together and kept
> > riding, though I will eventually need to replace the bearings.  It has
> > been a few months since I've looked at it, so I can't remember the
> > details.
>
> > The following is the response I got from PW:
>
> > Using a bolt that will fit into the axle on the side which the cap is
> > removed from ( in order not to damage the thread ) support the hub
> > without interfering with the bearing and tap firmly on the bolt with
> > the hammer. The axle is shouldered on the inside so it will push the
> > bearing out on the opposite side. If you go to this link on our web
> > site we have pics of the axle/bearing being removed from a rear track
> > hub, the concept is the same.
>
> >http://www.philwood.com/support/partsservice.php
>
> > This didn't work for me, but maybe it will work for you.  Let me know
> > if you find out how to do it.
>
> > Dan
>
> > On Jun 25, 10:13 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi, all!
>
> > > Anyone ever replaced the bearings in a Phil "Rivy" FW hub?
>
> > > The FSA instructions on the Phil site are wrong enough that I don't want
> > to follow them without some additional info / assurance for fear of breaking
> > something (or, more likely given the strength of this hub's components,
> > hurting myself).
>
> > > Anybody ever actually done this? If so, how did you get the old bearings
> > out? I have figured a way to get the end caps off but not how to get the old
> > bearings out.
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > Yours,
> > > Thomas Lynn Skean
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[Mike S]

I live in the rather flat Piedmont region of NC (Greensboro) and I've
had a Quickbeam for 2+ years now. The gearing I've got it is the 40/32
double in front with a 15T Phil fixed sprocket and a 16/18 Dos Eno on
the flop.

I have used the fixed gear approx 99% of my riding, as I only recall
using the 16T freewheel once when I was totally bushed after getting
lost for 30 miles and needing to coast home. I also tried the 16T once
cruising town just to see how it felt, and I was really just bored to
tears with it. When you really fall in love with fixed riding, being
limited to one speed freewheeling just doesn't have much appeal.

I could see making use of the lower gears on the groomed woods trail
at the school I go to, as plenty of mtn. bikers kick it back there and
it would probably be nice at 32/16. The great thing about a sturdily
set up QB/S1 is that it's totally a multi-application bike. For road
riding however, I think it is worth trying out different gearings with
fixed-only if your in a relatively flat area.

"In a world dominated by the digital
The metronome I listen to beats inside of my chest
It speeds up with the level of stress
It's built to last, but analog at best"
- RJD2

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On Jul 7, 4:15 pm, jamison brosseau 
wrote:
> I'm not sure u would be happy with any of those gears in NYC.
> Too much spinning.  I think in a flattish place like this the mid to
> low 70s is a TGIF place to be.
> On Jul 7, 12:26 pm, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
>
> > I know there have already been some posts on this topic, but I just wanted
> > to check in about something...
> > If one wanted to set up a SimpleOne with the 40/32 "quickbeam" crankset and
> > with a White Ind DOS freewheel, is it true that it would have to be either
> > the 16/18 or the 17/19 freewheel and NOT the 16/19 because of the 8 tooth
> > difference the frame is designed around?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar, interesting fork detail

[Montclair BobbyB]

I believe these are fashioned after the porteur bikes, which used the
additional attach points of the fork crown (as opposed to a single
brake-bolt mount) to add strength and stability at the rack level for
the typically bigger and heavier loads carried on the wider porteur
racks.

I have them on my Bombadil, and I wish my Platrack attachment took
advantage of these.

BB

On Jul 7, 10:19 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> How about using a Mark's rack with four point mounting?  Should be
> more stable than mounting to the center of the fork crown.   I have
> one of those "other bikes" also, and hacked a four point mount for a
> cheap Nashbar rack that stiffened it up write a bit.
>
> Bill
>
> On Jul 4, 6:21 pm , Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>
>
> > After ogling Geoff's new Hunqapillar for a while, I went over to Rivbike to
> > do some more ogling, and discovered an odd detail: The forks are threaded on
> > top of the crown so you can mount a rear rack on the front. Um..why? Is
> > there a benefit to doing this over mounting a nice front Nitto I'm not aware
> > of?
>
> > Joe Bernard
> > Fairfield, CA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[jamison brosseau]

I'm not sure u would be happy with any of those gears in NYC.
Too much spinning.  I think in a flattish place like this the mid to
low 70s is a TGIF place to be.
On Jul 7, 12:26 pm, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> I know there have already been some posts on this topic, but I just wanted
> to check in about something...
> If one wanted to set up a SimpleOne with the 40/32 "quickbeam" crankset and
> with a White Ind DOS freewheel, is it true that it would have to be either
> the 16/18 or the 17/19 freewheel and NOT the 16/19 because of the 8 tooth
> difference the frame is designed around?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Great to know--thanks.  I am reading and rereading all these details
on the website but don't yet have it all in my head.

Christian

On Jul 7, 1:42 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian
> wrote:
>
> >    My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
> > want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
> > terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
> > seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
> > either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.
>
> According to the Riv website, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway) put
> standard-sized mountain bike off-road tires on the Atlantis. They say it
> takes tires up to 52 mm. If you walk into your LBS and ask to buy a mountain
> bike tire, they'll show you tires that are 2.1 in (53.3 mm), 2.35 in (59.6
> mm) or 2.5 in (63.5 mm). 26 x 1.5 tires are not as common; I know this
> because that's what I use on my Atlantis and I've from time to time gone to
> a bike shop to try to find a replacement, with little success.
>
> The Hunqa and Bomba suggested tire sizes go up to 55 mm. So they'll accept
> the narrower 2.1 inch mountain bike tires, but not wider ones.
>
> -- Anne Paulson
>
> My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Yeah, suspension might be nice. I rode the Montana section in 1998 and
had a suspension front fork--a Voodoo Erzulie.  I do not know about
the rest of the route but the MT section was mostly dirt roads that I
*think* would be OK with fat tires at low pressure.  In fact, I
remember my wife and I saying that our tires were TOO fat for most of
the conditions--we'd rather have had something with less rolling
resistance.  Now I am veering way off topic.

Thanks

Christian

On Jul 7, 1:17 pm, SteveF  wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:31:47 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> > Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there
> > are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again.
>
> > So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I
> > have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt
> > road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything
> > else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and
> > there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the
> > Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to
> > do it on.
>
> > The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/
> > w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building
> > up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will
> > test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have-
> > you now.
>
> > Thanks and best wishes,
>
> > Christian
>
> Well, I'd go by intended purpose.  If you want to do the divide trail, go
> with the Hunq for it's off-road leanings.  If you plan mainly paved touring,
> the Atlantis is worth considering.  The $500 price difference is worth
> considering, too, of course!  
> (I'd want suspension for a Divide ride, myself--my Rivish leanings stop when
> the trail gets bumpy!)
>
> Steve
>
> Steve  

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Re: RE: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[newenglandbike]

P.S.  S/O as in significant other, not Simple One.:D

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Re: RE: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[newenglandbike]

It's hard to say what percentage for each gear, but they each get used.I 
go down to 32/22 in the woods, because we have rooty/rocky trails that go up 
and down, and you don't want to go super fast in there anyway, even on long 
descents, since you can't see very far and branches and things block the 
trails sometimes.When I ride to work which is probably a longer than 
average commute it's usually in 40/16. When riding downtown or riding 
with my S/O, I will put it in 40/19 for a more relaxed ride that is also 
handy for lights.Sometimes I'll leave it in 40/19 for the morning ride 
to work which happens at an obscenely early time (but I do love the morning, 
before the cars...)

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[James Warren]

I love the ride of the QB, but I like gears and never wanted to get off the 
bike to shift. So I bought my QB with schemes of somehow making it a shifter. 
Right now, it's a 3 speed shifted at the crank (24-36-46) with a front 
derailleur and only one cog in the back. (I use a friction bar-end shifter on 
the handlebar to operate the front derailleur.) A derailleur in the rear is 
used solely for the purpose of maintaining chain tension when the front 
radically shifts.

However, I still want a lower gear. Since this frame seems to have survived a 
car accident, I'm moving forward with plans to install Alfine 11 into it and 
using a single 36T chainring up front and removing all derailleurs. The 
effective gear ratios appear excellent on paper: 0.825 as the lowest and 3.36 
as the highest.

I have to spread the rear from 120 mm to 135 mm, but I'm going for it. Waiting 
for parts to arrive.

-Jim W.


On Jul 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Larry Powers wrote:

> How often do you shift your QB?  You have 3 speeds with your setup, what 
> percentage of the time do you ride in each?  I am guessing that one gets 80 
> or 90 percent of the use.
>  
> I really like the idea of my QB having two gears.  I changed gearing once on 
> a ride just to see how quickly I could do it.  Other then that I have never 
> needed to change the gearing for the 40x17 combination I normally use.  The 
> one situation I can see where having a lower gear would be helpful is for a 
> head wind on a long ride.  Maybe a 4 or 6 tooth different would be the right 
> set up for me.  I would not shift for steep rollers because you would need to 
> do it at the top and bottom of each climb.  I would rather walk a bit then do 
> that.  If I lived out west then a lower gear for the long grades might also 
> be helpful.  
>  
> Just curious how others are using the gears on their QB.  
> 
> Larry Powers 
>  
> Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
> 
>  
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:21:31 -0700
> From: matthiasbe...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing
> 
> No not at all-  I use the 16/19 on my QB and it's very handy. Typical 
> gears you'll use are 40/16, 40/19, or 32/19 (Or in my case 32/22 since there 
> is a 22t f/w on the flipside), so you'd set up your chain length for that.
> You wouldn't want to shift from 40/19 to 32/16 even if the dropouts were long 
> enough, since those two ratios (57" and 55") are virtually the same.  You can 
> always adjust your effective chain length to within 1/8" with a half-link but 
> it's not necessary.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Anne Paulson]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian
wrote:

>My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
> want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
> terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
> seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
> either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.


According to the Riv website, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway) put
standard-sized mountain bike off-road tires on the Atlantis. They say it
takes tires up to 52 mm. If you walk into your LBS and ask to buy a mountain
bike tire, they'll show you tires that are 2.1 in (53.3 mm), 2.35 in (59.6
mm) or 2.5 in (63.5 mm). 26 x 1.5 tires are not as common; I know this
because that's what I use on my Atlantis and I've from time to time gone to
a bike shop to try to find a replacement, with little success.

The Hunqa and Bomba suggested tire sizes go up to 55 mm. So they'll accept
the narrower 2.1 inch mountain bike tires, but not wider ones.

-- Anne Paulson

My hovercraft is full of eels

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RE: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[Larry Powers]

How often do you shift your QB?  You have 3 speeds with your setup, what 
percentage of the time do you ride in each?  I am guessing that one gets 80 or 
90 percent of the use.
 
I really like the idea of my QB having two gears.  I changed gearing once on a 
ride just to see how quickly I could do it.  Other then that I have never 
needed to change the gearing for the 40x17 combination I normally use.  The one 
situation I can see where having a lower gear would be helpful is for a head 
wind on a long ride.  Maybe a 4 or 6 tooth different would be the right set up 
for me.  I would not shift for steep rollers because you would need to do it at 
the top and bottom of each climb.  I would rather walk a bit then do that.  If 
I lived out west then a lower gear for the long grades might also be helpful.  
 
Just curious how others are using the gears on their QB.  

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 



Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:21:31 -0700
From: matthiasbe...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

No not at all-  I use the 16/19 on my QB and it's very handy. Typical gears 
you'll use are 40/16, 40/19, or 32/19 (Or in my case 32/22 since there is a 22t 
f/w on the flipside), so you'd set up your chain length for that.You 
wouldn't want to shift from 40/19 to 32/16 even if the dropouts were long 
enough, since those two ratios (57" and 55") are virtually the same.  You can 
always adjust your effective chain length to within 1/8" with a half-link but 
it's not necessary.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Jim M.]

On Jul 6, 8:25 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie  wrote:
> I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
> Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which
> is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
> Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
> suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or
> the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.

The Great Divide route is on my to-do list. I follow the Tour Divide
race, and the most popular tire among winners has been the WTB
Nanoraptor, which is about a 52, and will fit a Hunq. Deanna Adams did
the Divide on a fixed-gear road bike with Ritchey cyclocross tires:
http://www.xo-1.org/2009/06/deanna-adams-tackles-tour-divide.html

A few years ago, former Riv employee Daniel did the Divide route on,
IIRC, the proto-Hunq, or maybe proto-Bomba. I'm sure the Atlantis
would do fine on the route, but personally I'd want fatter tires and
would probably choose a Hunq (or my non-Riv 29er, which fits 65's.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne gearing

[newenglandbike]

No not at all-  I use the 16/19 on my QB and it's very handy. Typical 
gears you'll use are 40/16, 40/19, or 32/19 (Or in my case 32/22 since there 
is a 22t f/w on the flipside), so you'd set up your chain length for that. 
   You wouldn't want to shift from 40/19 to 32/16 even if the dropouts were 
long enough, since those two ratios (57" and 55") are virtually the same.  
You can always adjust your effective chain length to within 1/8" with a 
half-link but it's not necessary.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[SteveF]

On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:31:47 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there 
> are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again. 
>
> So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I 
> have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt 
> road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything 
> else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and 
> there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the 
> Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to 
> do it on. 
>
> The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/ 
> w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building 
> up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will 
> test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have- 
> you now. 
>
> Thanks and best wishes, 
>
> Christian


Well, I'd go by intended purpose.  If you want to do the divide trail, go 
with the Hunq for it's off-road leanings.  If you plan mainly paved touring, 
the Atlantis is worth considering.  The $500 price difference is worth 
considering, too, of course!  
(I'd want suspension for a Divide ride, myself--my Rivish leanings stop when 
the trail gets bumpy!) 

Steve

Steve  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Christian
 wrote:
> I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
> love the color.  I am sure it would do all I would want it to do.  For
> now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
> happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
> the Atlantis.  I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
> 54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.
>
> As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
> but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too.  Who knows.
>
> Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
> and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
> conditions.  I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
> I'll try the Sam too.  My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
> want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
> terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
> seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
> either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  My Terraferma can do most things but
> it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
> it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.
>



Have you considered a used atlantis? There have been a number on sale
from time to time on this list. I've debated selling mine occasionally
b/c I've come to the conclusion that I bought a size below where I
should have, but I've never quite pulled the trigger on selling it
b/c, despite being a bit small, it still rides well. :)

-sv

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Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[SteveF]

On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:37:55 AM UTC-4, Larry Powers wrote:
>
>  Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original 
> Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a 
> cream head tube...   
>
>
Well, yeah-my Orange'bouillet is my favorite bike aesthetically though I've 
come to prefer my 650b bikes' performance and proportions.  Though I'd call 
the trim on the Rambly more white than cream, and a pretty stark white at 
that.

Looks good no matter how you call it.

Steve 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
love the color.  I am sure it would do all I would want it to do.  For
now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
the Atlantis.  I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.

As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too.  Who knows.

Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
conditions.  I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
I'll try the Sam too.  My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  My Terraferma can do most things but
it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.

Best wishes,

Christian

On Jul 7, 10:22 am, Larry Powers  wrote:
> Per Riv:
>
> The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of 
> its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first 
> production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, 
> commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or 
> wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a 
> saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.
>
> The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest 
> use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the 
> Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for 
> heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I 
> would not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis.  
>
> Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows 
> the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is 
> optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike 
> and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most 
> production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with 
> upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can 
> do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike 
> for this use.  
>
> Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for 
> loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  
> Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any 
> of the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis 
> does not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be 
> the Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no 
> interest in riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am 
> lucky enough to own several several bicycles and between them I can choose 
> the one most suited to the ride of the day.
>
> The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because 
> it the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason 
> so take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best 
> and get out and ride.
>
> Larry Powers
>
> Rambouillet
> Atlantis
> Quickbeam
>
> Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?
> > From: palin...@his.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:08:58 -0400
>
> > On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> > > How light a rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
> > > because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
> > > was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
> > > riders with light loads?
>
> > You're right, that's nonsense. The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
> > bike suitable only for "light touring" and light riders.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[William]

Christian

Have you made progress on your decision?  It seems that you are leaning to 
the 54cm Hunqa and that sounds to me like it would be an excellent choice. 
 The total list of all possible choices of Rivs seems like it would be:

1.  54cm Hunqa
2.  56cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter Con: 26" wheels (if you don't like 
26" wheels) also maybe too small?  $$
3.  58cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter and 700C wheels Con: maybe too 
large?  $$
4.  56cm Hillborne.  Pro:  Much less expensive  Con:  Maybe forced to 
sidepull brakes in that size.  
5.  56cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, uses your existing 650B 
infrastructure  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe too big
6.  52cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, 650B.  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe 
too small

Since it's a 54cm Hunqa, there is no diagotube, so the frameset weight 
between that and the Atlantis will be essentially identical.  Seems like 
that's your bike.  Have you concluded that?

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[RBW] SimpleOne gearing

[jandrews_nyc]

I know there have already been some posts on this topic, but I just wanted 
to check in about something...
If one wanted to set up a SimpleOne with the 40/32 "quickbeam" crankset and 
with a White Ind DOS freewheel, is it true that it would have to be either 
the 16/18 or the 17/19 freewheel and NOT the 16/19 because of the 8 tooth 
difference the frame is designed around?

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[RBW] Historic site

[SISDDWG]

http://www.theliberator.be/militarybicycles.htm

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RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Larry Powers]

Per Riv:
 
The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of 
its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first 
production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, 
commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or 
wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a 
saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.

The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest 
use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the 
Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for 
heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I would 
not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis.  
 
Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows 
the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is 
optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike 
and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most 
production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with 
upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can 
do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike for 
this use.  
 
Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for 
loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  
Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any of 
the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis does 
not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be the 
Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no interest in 
riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am lucky enough to 
own several several bicycles and between them I can choose the one most suited 
to the ride of the day.
 
The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because it 
the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason so 
take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best and 
get out and ride.

Larry Powers 
 
Rambouillet
Atlantis
Quickbeam
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 

> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?
> From: palin...@his.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:08:58 -0400
> 
> On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> > How light a rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
> > because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
> > was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
> > riders with light loads?
> 
> You're right, that's nonsense. The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
> bike suitable only for "light touring" and light riders.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar, interesting fork detail

[Bill M.]

How about using a Mark's rack with four point mounting?  Should be
more stable than mounting to the center of the fork crown.   I have
one of those "other bikes" also, and hacked a four point mount for a
cheap Nashbar rack that stiffened it up write a bit.

Bill

On Jul 4, 6:21 pm , Joe Bernard  wrote:
> After ogling Geoff's new Hunqapillar for a while, I went over to Rivbike to
> do some more ogling, and discovered an odd detail: The forks are threaded on
> top of the crown so you can mount a rear rack on the front. Um..why? Is
> there a benefit to doing this over mounting a nice front Nitto I'm not aware
> of?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Fairfield, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
> because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
> was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
> riders with light loads?

You're right, that's nonsense.  The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
bike suitable only for "light touring" and light riders.



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[RBW] Re: WTT 59cm Bleriot for 61cm Bleriot

[hobie]

I don't have a 61cm Bleriot but would you consider selling your 59cm 
Bleriot frame? Thanks

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