[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
With regard to puncture resistance, I highly recommend spending $4 on a roll of one inch Gorilla tape and applying it to the inside of the tire in the same way you'd apply the now very expensive Panaracer Flataway. I have it on my Hetres and it's doing a fine job. On Jun 13, 11:24 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I'm now riding GB Cypres on my Rambouilett. The best feel of any clincher I've ever ridden. Seems to me comparable to the way a good more robust tubular like a Clement Paris-Robaix used to feel. But that's so long ago and my memory is so bad that my credibility is, as they say in court, suspect. In any event, I really like the tire. They are definitely not as puncture resistant as the tires they replaced - RuffyTuffys. Several flats in 200 miles. Small bits of glass. For now the trade-off is worth it. GeorgeS On Jun 11, 10:24 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: A little over a year ago, I made a few statements comparing tires based on theory. I was wrong. http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/msg/ca91f41f70f6d57a I now have a few hundred miles on a pair of 584X32mm (actual 30mm) Grand Bois Cypres tires (same wheels, bicycle, etc.) and can positively say, with back to back comparison, that there is a noticeable difference in feel between the similar Maxy Fasty tires. The most accurate comparison I can provide is: The Maxy Fasty's feel like riding over suede whereas the Cypres' feel like riding over velvet. Of course, the Cypres' lighter casing and thinner tread is a trade off for durability. That analysis is for each rider to determine on their own. For me, that means riding the MF's for utility, errands, commuting, and shorter rides; and saving the Cypres for my longer, weekend rides. Just wanted to set the record straight and acknowledge my previous error. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
I highly recommend the Hetre, although I have to admit to complete lack of experience regarding the narrower tire. The Hetre has changed the way I ride in that it gives so much more stability. Descent is no longer a white knuckle affair, but a joy. It is a very fast tire, depending only on the engine. I don't know what the trail is on the Bleriot, but putting a wider tire on it will change the steering - I think for the better - but you should ask Jan Heine, who has far more experience and understanding of the matter than I. On Jun 11, 8:18 am, Rocky.Bondad fundamental.bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh I'm still undecided if I should get the Cypres or the Hetres for my wife's Bleriot. She mainly rides on the weekends and I want to get her nice comfy fast tires. I hear so many great reviews for both Grand Bois tires. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
I am unfamiliar with Gorilla tape and Flataway. They're both adhesive tapes? Do they change the feel of the tires? What's the tradeoff? Thanks. GeorgeS On Jun 18, 9:06 am, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: With regard to puncture resistance, I highly recommend spending $4 on a roll of one inch Gorilla tape and applying it to the inside of the tire in the same way you'd apply the now very expensive Panaracer Flataway. I have it on my Hetres and it's doing a fine job. On Jun 13, 11:24 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I'm now riding GB Cypres on my Rambouilett. The best feel of any clincher I've ever ridden. Seems to me comparable to the way a good more robust tubular like a Clement Paris-Robaix used to feel. But that's so long ago and my memory is so bad that my credibility is, as they say in court, suspect. In any event, I really like the tire. They are definitely not as puncture resistant as the tires they replaced - RuffyTuffys. Several flats in 200 miles. Small bits of glass. For now the trade-off is worth it. GeorgeS On Jun 11, 10:24 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: A little over a year ago, I made a few statements comparing tires based on theory. I was wrong. http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/msg/ca91f41f70f6d57a I now have a few hundred miles on a pair of 584X32mm (actual 30mm) Grand Bois Cypres tires (same wheels, bicycle, etc.) and can positively say, with back to back comparison, that there is a noticeable difference in feel between the similar Maxy Fasty tires. The most accurate comparison I can provide is: The Maxy Fasty's feel like riding over suede whereas the Cypres' feel like riding over velvet. Of course, the Cypres' lighter casing and thinner tread is a trade off for durability. That analysis is for each rider to determine on their own. For me, that means riding the MF's for utility, errands, commuting, and shorter rides; and saving the Cypres for my longer, weekend rides. Just wanted to set the record straight and acknowledge my previous error. John McMurry Burlington, VT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Quoting clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com: I highly recommend the Hetre, although I have to admit to complete lack of experience regarding the narrower tire. The Hetre has changed the way I ride in that it gives so much more stability. Descent is no longer a white knuckle affair, but a joy. It is a very fast tire, depending only on the engine. I don't know what the trail is on the Bleriot, but putting a wider tire on it will change the steering - I think for the better - but you should ask Jan Heine, who has far more experience and understanding of the matter than I. The Bleriot is the same setup as the Saluki. I recently put Hetres on my saluki and I'm thrilled with the result. Handling is the same as it was, only the ride is far more plush. This is particularly noticeable as the pavement quality deteriorates or the pavement disappears. Also, the tire feels noticeably faster than the Col de la Vie or the Ourson. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
I've had the fatty rumpkins on for a couple of weeks now and have been enjoying them through some mixed trail/road business and my regular commute. Had to remove the fenders, mine were cut to accomodate the CdlVs, and were a smidgen too small for the fatty's. So for right now, the bleriot is in its top-down summer mode, unless I do something rash and snag some new fenders that would take fatty's/hetres. On that front, I'm guessing my options include VO zeppelins and the larger Honjos Jitensha carries? On Jun 17, 12:26 am, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On Jun 16, 8:45 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I hope I didn't come across wrong, I don't doubt your explanation, I was just hopeful that perhaps someone on this list had enough of a connection to someone at grand bois to float the idea of a 700c hetre by them. I have asked them. The answer is that right now, no new Grand Bois tires are planned. The molds for the existing tires need to be amortized first. If something comes along, I suspect it'll be a 650B x 38 mm, which is a true hole in the current lineups of tires. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Quoting Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com: I've had the fatty rumpkins on for a couple of weeks now and have been enjoying them through some mixed trail/road business and my regular commute. Had to remove the fenders, mine were cut to accomodate the CdlVs, and were a smidgen too small for the fatty's. So for right now, the bleriot is in its top-down summer mode, unless I do something rash and snag some new fenders that would take fatty's/hetres. On that front, I'm guessing my options include VO zeppelins and the larger Honjos Jitensha carries? Yes. Also BQ carries the 58mm Honjos, including a hammered version that Jitensha doesn't have. Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=sets are some photos of my Saluki with the 58mm Honjos from Jitensha (these are the fluted ones) including detail of the mods I had to make to get the fenders to fit at the chainstays. You'd have to do something similar with the Bleriot. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Quoting palin...@his.com: Quoting Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com: I've had the fatty rumpkins on for a couple of weeks now and have been enjoying them through some mixed trail/road business and my regular commute. Had to remove the fenders, mine were cut to accomodate the CdlVs, and were a smidgen too small for the fatty's. So for right now, the bleriot is in its top-down summer mode, unless I do something rash and snag some new fenders that would take fatty's/hetres. On that front, I'm guessing my options include VO zeppelins and the larger Honjos Jitensha carries? Yes. Also BQ carries the 58mm Honjos, including a hammered version that Jitensha doesn't have. Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=sets are some photos of my Saluki with the 58mm Honjos from Jitensha (these are the fluted ones) including detail of the mods I had to make to get the fenders to fit at the chainstays. You'd have to do something similar with the Bleriot. I was afraid of that. Copied the wrong flickr URL. You'll find this will work a lot better: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/ My apologies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
I have to agree about the Fatty Rumpkins. They are great tires. I switch between them and Hetres on my Saluki - depending oh how much time I am spending off paved roads. They are similar enough in size that either pair fits underneath my fenders with the same fender line. Hetres are, hands down, the best tire I have ever used. The FRs, for what they offer, are near the top too. Jason On Jun 15, 4:22 pm, franklyn frankly...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting that Fatty Rumpkins don't get much discussion attention when people talk about 650b general purpose tires. I have had them for 4 months and 1000 miles on my commuter and not a single problem. They measure fairly close to the hetre in width on synergy rims (40mm) and they are fairly silent, especially after the initial period of wear. I have used it on a few mixed-terrain rides and they grip fairly well in shallow gravel and semi-wet dirt paths. They are not as fast as the hetres, but they are also plenty comfortable and puncture proof. I got them for $22.50 a piece (not foldable) from Universal Cycles in Portland. I love my Hetres and Cypres, but I love --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
I ride the Fatty Rumpkins a lot on my Bleriot, agree with the coments about them, and have wondered about the Hetres. Which of the two is best for mostly dirt roads would you think? Why? Tim On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:08 AM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree about the Fatty Rumpkins. They are great tires. I switch between them and Hetres on my Saluki - depending oh how much time I am spending off paved roads. They are similar enough in size that either pair fits underneath my fenders with the same fender line. Hetres are, hands down, the best tire I have ever used. The FRs, for what they offer, are near the top too. Jason On Jun 15, 4:22 pm, franklyn frankly...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting that Fatty Rumpkins don't get much discussion attention when people talk about 650b general purpose tires. I have had them for 4 months and 1000 miles on my commuter and not a single problem. They measure fairly close to the hetre in width on synergy rims (40mm) and they are fairly silent, especially after the initial period of wear. I have used it on a few mixed-terrain rides and they grip fairly well in shallow gravel and semi-wet dirt paths. They are not as fast as the hetres, but they are also plenty comfortable and puncture proof. I got them for $22.50 a piece (not foldable) from Universal Cycles in Portland. I love my Hetres and Cypres, but I love --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On Jun 16, 8:58 am, Timothy Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: I ride the Fatty Rumpkins a lot on my Bleriot, agree with the coments about them, and have wondered about the Hetres. Which of the two is best for mostly dirt roads would you think? what makes the hetre unique is that it can rightly be considered a reasonably fast rolling road tire that also happens to excel on dirt because of it's size. i suppose that statement works in reverse too - it's a dirt road tire that also happens to excel on the road because it rolls reasonably fast. which tire is better on dirt? well, both are obviously comfortable at 40mm. although in my experience, the casings on the GB tires make things more comfortable than other tires - just as Juan McMurry stated above. both seem durable by all accounts. so, that leaves performance - and i'd be surprised if the fatty rumpkin was as fast a tire as the hetre over any terrain. but on the dirt, i'm not sure this even matters. i guess it depends on how comfortable and fast one needs/wants to be - certainly, it's only a matter of degrees. small degrees. a 40 tire is comfy. and i don't think many folks on this list are looking to race on dirt roads. in any event, my buddies ride anywhere between 28-35 on dirt roads, which we spend a lot of time on. we're all comfortable, and we don't need to slow down when the pavement ends. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Patrick in VTpsh...@drm.com wrote: On Jun 16, 8:58 am, Timothy Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: I ride the Fatty Rumpkins a lot on my Bleriot, agree with the coments about them, and have wondered about the Hetres. Which of the two is best for mostly dirt roads would you think? what makes the hetre unique is that it can rightly be considered a reasonably fast rolling road tire that also happens to excel on dirt because of it's size. i suppose that statement works in reverse too - it's a dirt road tire that also happens to excel on the road because it rolls reasonably fast. which tire is better on dirt? well, both are obviously comfortable at 40mm. although in my experience, the casings on the GB tires make things more comfortable than other tires - just as Juan McMurry stated above. both seem durable by all accounts. so, that leaves performance - and i'd be surprised if the fatty rumpkin was as fast a tire as the hetre over any terrain. It's interesting to me. The explanation that Jan gave as to why there is no 700c version of the hetre is the lack of bikes that can take a 700x42 tire. Given that a lot of 700c riv riders can take a 42mm tire I wonder if there is enough of a market to justify a 700c hetre. I know I'd be willing to buy a pair if they were available. oh and incase no one has looked it looks like the hetre now comes in white, in addition to red and black. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On Jun 16, 7:23 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: The explanation that Jan gave as to why there is no 700c version of the hetre is the lack of bikes that can take a 700x42 tire. Given that a lot of 700c riv riders can take a 42mm tire I wonder if there is enough of a market to justify a 700c hetre. I know I'd be willing to buy a pair if they were available. The Grand Bois tires, like all Grand Bois products, were introduced because Grand Bois needed them for their custom bikes, and couldn't find suitable products made by others. In Japan, there are few people who ride a 700C tire wider than 30 mm, so there is no perceived need for wider 700C tires. If you want wider tires, Grand Bois prefers 650B wheels, just like most of the French constructeurs did. For the same reason, there won't be Grand Bois 27 tires - that size is virtually unknown in Japan. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Jan Heinehein...@earthlink.net wrote: On Jun 16, 7:23 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: The explanation that Jan gave as to why there is no 700c version of the hetre is the lack of bikes that can take a 700x42 tire. Given that a lot of 700c riv riders can take a 42mm tire I wonder if there is enough of a market to justify a 700c hetre. I know I'd be willing to buy a pair if they were available. The Grand Bois tires, like all Grand Bois products, were introduced because Grand Bois needed them for their custom bikes, and couldn't find suitable products made by others. In Japan, there are few people who ride a 700C tire wider than 30 mm, so there is no perceived need for wider 700C tires. If you want wider tires, Grand Bois prefers 650B wheels, just like most of the French constructeurs did. For the same reason, there won't be Grand Bois 27 tires - that size is virtually unknown in Japan. I understood the reason, I was just wondering if there was enough of a market among rivendell (and probably kogswell and surly) 700c riders to justify making a 700c hetre. I hope I didn't come across wrong, I don't doubt your explanation, I was just hopeful that perhaps someone on this list had enough of a connection to someone at grand bois to float the idea of a 700c hetre by them. Nevertheless, thanks, -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On Jun 11, 11:18 am, Rocky.Bondad fundamental.bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh I'm still undecided if I should get the Cypres or the Hetres for my wife's Bleriot. She mainly rides on the weekends and I want to get her nice comfy fast tires. I hear so many great reviews for both Grand Bois tires. If she weighs around 150 lbs or less, I'd say get the cypres. I'm a hair under 160 and switch between the hetre and cypres fairly often - at my weight, both tires feel decadent. in other words, saying that the hetre is more comfortable than the cypres ain't saying much, esp. if the majority of riding is being done on paved roads. On my rando bike, I save the cypres for brevets and ride the hetre for everything else (although i did do a 350k and 400k on the hetre this year - it performed better than I thought, but the cypres is still my favorite when speed is a factor). Something else to consider - the hetre has a much longer life than the cypres. If she starts riding more than just mostly weekends, you might want to go with the hetre. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Quoting Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com: On Jun 11, 11:18 am, Rocky.Bondad fundamental.bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh I'm still undecided if I should get the Cypres or the Hetres for my wife's Bleriot. She mainly rides on the weekends and I want to get her nice comfy fast tires. I hear so many great reviews for both Grand Bois tires. If she weighs around 150 lbs or less, I'd say get the cypres. I'm a hair under 160 and switch between the hetre and cypres fairly often - at my weight, both tires feel decadent. in other words, saying that the hetre is more comfortable than the cypres ain't saying much, esp. if the majority of riding is being done on paved roads. On my rando bike, I save the cypres for brevets and ride the hetre for everything else (although i did do a 350k and 400k on the hetre this year - it performed better than I thought, but the cypres is still my favorite when speed is a factor). Something else to consider - the hetre has a much longer life than the cypres. If she starts riding more than just mostly weekends, you might want to go with the hetre. Also, the Hetre is a better tire for dirt road riding. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
On smooth paved roads, the difference between the Hetre (650B x 40 mm actual) and the Cypres (650B x 30 mm actual) is minimal. Once the roads get rough, the Hetre absorbs bigger bumps (expansion joints, frost heaves, chipseal, potholes) better. On unpaved roads, the Cypres is fine, but the Hetre is better, especially on deep gravel. Regarding flats, Gino had bad luck in his area with the Cypres. I get around 2000 miles between flats here in Seattle, compared to about 3000 miles for a Rivendell Rolly-Poly. It all depends where you ride and how you ride. From what I hear, the Hetre does appear more flat- proof. I haven't had a flat on mine yet, but I have only ridden them about 3000 miles. Speed-wise, there probably is little between these tires, especially once the Hetre's thicker tread wears down a bit. I prefer the Hetre, because it allows me to worry less about potholes and focus more on the scenery. And I can keep going when the pavement ends. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
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[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Well if one were budget-minded or budget-impaired, one could purchase plush 650b tires for less than $20 (CDLV). They don't offer the same performance, but they do get you there in comfort, and last this side of forever. It's mostly that context that I was speaking to. Cheers, Gino On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Steve Palincsarpalin...@his.com wrote: What's so hard to bear about the price of the Hetre? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
It's interesting that Fatty Rumpkins don't get much discussion attention when people talk about 650b general purpose tires. I have had them for 4 months and 1000 miles on my commuter and not a single problem. They measure fairly close to the hetre in width on synergy rims (40mm) and they are fairly silent, especially after the initial period of wear. I have used it on a few mixed-terrain rides and they grip fairly well in shallow gravel and semi-wet dirt paths. They are not as fast as the hetres, but they are also plenty comfortable and puncture proof. I got them for $22.50 a piece (not foldable) from Universal Cycles in Portland. I love my Hetres and Cypres, but I love the FR as a do-it-all tire Franklyn On Jun 15, 4:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:46 -0700, Gino Zahnd wrote: Well if one were budget-minded or budget-impaired, one could purchase plush 650b tires for less than $20 (CDLV). They don't offer the same performance, but they do get you there in comfort, and last this side of forever. It's mostly that context that I was speaking to. Well, here we are in complete agreement. CdlVs do last a long time and hold up well in poor conditions, and they're a real bargain. I switched my Saluki to Hetres, but the new P/R, which will be built as a porteur/city bike is getting CdlVs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
Thanks, John, for the correction. Regarding Bicycle Quarterly's tire tests, the statistical analysis of our results showed that the differences we found were real, not some artifacts of changes in conditions or in rider position. Anybody who wants to criticize the results of the tests needs to look at the statistics and figure out how they were flawed. Both the Grand Bois and the Maxy-Fasty were tested several times, and always came out the same. I am confident in our results, just as I am confident in the test results that showed that higher pressure (beyond a certain point) does not provide a worth-while increase in speed. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
In my experience, the Cypres was very prone to puncture. I had more than one flat for every 100 miles I rode with that tire. In my book, that is completely unacceptable. On the other hand, I've been riding the Hetre on my Saluki for 500 miles now, and have yet to flat, even with a good amount of mixed terrain riding in thorny Chico and Mt. Lassen/northern Sierras. Aside from the better durability, I'll also stick my neck out and say that the Hetre is hands down the most comfortable tire I've ever ridden. It's fast, quiet, and durable. If you can stomach the cost of the Hetre, they're certainly at the top of the 650b tire heap. Gino Chico, CA On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Rocky.Bondadfundamental.bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh I'm still undecided if I should get the Cypres or the Hetres for my wife's Bleriot. She mainly rides on the weekends and I want to get her nice comfy fast tires. I hear so many great reviews for both Grand Bois tires. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
