Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Right on!!! Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well, I decided. First, I should address the why more clearly. Primarily, sheet redundancy. Secondarily (a close second), the ability to keep one bike shod with studded tires through the winter. Thirdly (distant third), have two different arrangements available at any one time, for those unexpected riding opportunities and quirky ad hoc preferences. That is, sometimes you just wanna ride Bullmoose, no matter what you've got set up or what you'll need the next day! This would at least enable that. Now, honestly... either the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne would provide sufficient redundancy. The fact that the Hillborne is a pure duplicate doesn't really matter with respect to redundancy. And I could put studded tires and any of my cockpits and racks and baskets and bags on either bike; so reasons two and three were also satisfied by either Hill or Hunqapillar. But... the Hunqapillar's sizing just would not work. The 58 would pose issues for getting the bars as high ad I like them. The 62 would be a challenge to straddle comfortably, which I do often as a commuter waiting for lights and what-not and when riding with my family. So another 60cm canti-studded double-top-tube Hillborne is on lay-away for delivery early next year. Green, this time. The recent July e-mail update picture is a very flattering depiction of that green. If it looks like that in person, I'll be thrilled. Thanks for the info and opinions and questions; they all helge me think this through. I already know exactly how I'll build it. I'll do some side-by-side photos when it's all set. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3OYDxqc6DpwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Uh, that's sheer redundancy. Sorry. And there's at least one ad that should be as. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean who is wondering if sheet redundancy is technical jargon in some realm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ixOu5u9HfDMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Well, I decided. First, I should address the why more clearly. Primarily, sheet redundancy. Secondarily (a close second), the ability to keep one bike shod with studded tires through the winter. Thirdly (distant third), have two different arrangements available at any one time, for those unexpected riding opportunities and quirky ad hoc preferences. That is, sometimes you just wanna ride Bullmoose, no matter what you've got set up or what you'll need the next day! This would at least enable that. Now, honestly... either the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne would provide sufficient redundancy. The fact that the Hillborne is a pure duplicate doesn't really matter with respect to redundancy. And I could put studded tires and any of my cockpits and racks and baskets and bags on either bike; so reasons two and three were also satisfied by either Hill or Hunqapillar. But... the Hunqapillar's sizing just would not work. The 58 would pose issues for getting the bars as high ad I like them. The 62 would be a challenge to straddle comfortably, which I do often as a commuter waiting for lights and what-not and when riding with my family. So another 60cm canti-studded double-top-tube Hillborne is on lay-away for delivery early next year. Green, this time. The recent July e-mail update picture is a very flattering depiction of that green. If it looks like that in person, I'll be thrilled. Thanks for the info and opinions and questions; they all helge me think this through. I already know exactly how I'll build it. I'll do some side-by-side photos when it's all set. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3OYDxqc6DpwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Now, *that's* encouraging news! Thanks! Presuming then that standover might be okay... If the effective top tube length is only 1.5cm longer than the Hillborne (the RBW geometry PDF has the Hunqapillar at 62.5cm vs the Hillborne's 61cm), then I'm confident the Hunqapillar would fit overall with my current cockpits; the bar being a little further forward won't bother me. If it's actually 3cm longer (64cm vs 61cm, as hinted at some point in this thread) then I'm a little more concerned about it. But it's looking up! Definitely in the worth consideration category. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 26, 4:59 pm, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hey so, I have an 89cm pbh. i am six feet tall. i have a 63 cm homer, a 61 atlantis and a 60 cm bombadil. if i were to choose a hunquapillar i would get a 58, to account for the larger tires and such ( the same reason i have a 61 atlantis. I can lift all of my bikes about 1-1.5 inches off the ground, but i seldom do this cause in the real world i rarely if ever need to do this. anyhow i was just at RIV last week and test rode some bikes, and did in fact ride the 62 cm hunq. i didn't lift it up, and the top tube was up there but i was able to straddle it with flat feet, and the ride was fantastic, it felt great. the have that whole crotch worrier scenario on there site if it doesn't worry you then go for the 62. i live in nyc and love having the bomba with the huge tires, it may not seem necessary , but the ride is awesome, and i find myself choosing the fat tires for city riding most of the time. On May 26, 4:09 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: i'm 93cm pbh, btw On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:04 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! On May 25, 3:55 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well if that's true then I'll probably go for the second Hillborne. But at least one place on the RBW web-site puts him at a 89 PBH and says he got the Hunqapillar as a mountain bike. I don't need (or want) the extra standover that mountain biking would suggest. But all of the numbers are close enogh that only actually straddling one would tell. The idea of a second Hillborne appeals to me enough that it makes unusually precise demands on the Hunqapillar alternative. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 5:03 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
jeezus, the agony! tls, you still haven't shared with us how you happen to be in this fortunate position of requiring a second bike, possibly even if it duplicates what you already own. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
i'm 93cm pbh, btw On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:04 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! On May 25, 3:55 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well if that's true then I'll probably go for the second Hillborne. But at least one place on the RBW web-site puts him at a 89 PBH and says he got the Hunqapillar as a mountain bike. I don't need (or want) the extra standover that mountain biking would suggest. But all of the numbers are close enogh that only actually straddling one would tell. The idea of a second Hillborne appeals to me enough that it makes unusually precise demands on the Hunqapillar alternative. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 5:03 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Hey so, I have an 89cm pbh. i am six feet tall. i have a 63 cm homer, a 61 atlantis and a 60 cm bombadil. if i were to choose a hunquapillar i would get a 58, to account for the larger tires and such ( the same reason i have a 61 atlantis. I can lift all of my bikes about 1-1.5 inches off the ground, but i seldom do this cause in the real world i rarely if ever need to do this. anyhow i was just at RIV last week and test rode some bikes, and did in fact ride the 62 cm hunq. i didn't lift it up, and the top tube was up there but i was able to straddle it with flat feet, and the ride was fantastic, it felt great. the have that whole crotch worrier scenario on there site if it doesn't worry you then go for the 62. i live in nyc and love having the bomba with the huge tires, it may not seem necessary , but the ride is awesome, and i find myself choosing the fat tires for city riding most of the time. On May 26, 4:09 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: i'm 93cm pbh, btw On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:04 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! On May 25, 3:55 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well if that's true then I'll probably go for the second Hillborne. But at least one place on the RBW web-site puts him at a 89 PBH and says he got the Hunqapillar as a mountain bike. I don't need (or want) the extra standover that mountain biking would suggest. But all of the numbers are close enogh that only actually straddling one would tell. The idea of a second Hillborne appeals to me enough that it makes unusually precise demands on the Hunqapillar alternative. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 5:03 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
On May 24, 2:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) This is a good point. Tom, if you can ride a 60cm SH, You could probably ride a 62cm or 58cm Hunqapillar, but which you prefer depends on the kind of fit you are looking for. I think standover clearance is not the most important thing- it's how it feels when riding.As you point out you have to consider ST angle and TT length, etc. On the 62cm frame the TT is about 64cm I think (the geo chart lists 62.5, but I remember there was mention of lengthening it for the final version), whereas on the SH the TT is 61cm. But, these numbers really mean nothing compared to actually riding the bike. I think this calls for loading up your SH and heading out to Rivendell to give the HP a try! :D As one more data point, I ride a 64cm quickbeam and a 56cm bombadil.They couldn't fit better to me- incidentally they have the same TT length and ST angle, and feel very similar. I have tried a 60cm bombadil, but the 60cm felt way too big for me and the kind of riding I do. My saddle height is 79cm or thereabouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Hi! A reasonable question... I like my bars really high. Looking at my Hillborne the way I've set it up, it's easy to think I should be riding the 64 Hillborne. I max out the Dirt Drop 100 stem on my Moustache and Noodle cockpits. And I know that, if my eff top tube length is to change at all from that of my current Hillborne, I'd rather it were longer, not shorter. So... the 58cm would add up to too much compromise. If it were my only Hunqapillar choice, I'll just get the 2nd Hillborne. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Hi! This may prove to be an important fact. If the eff top tube on the 62cm Hunqapillar is actually 3cm longer than that of my Hillborne, then I will not get a 62cm Hunqapillar without straddling it first. I don't think I'd have a problem with the 1.5cm difference listed in the geometry page. But 3cm sounds longer enough to demand a test. Thanks! I now know that, at the very least, I need to confirm the published numbers. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 3:43 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On May 24, 2:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) This is a good point. Tom, if you can ride a 60cm SH, You could probably ride a 62cm or 58cm Hunqapillar, but which you prefer depends on the kind of fit you are looking for. I think standover clearance is not the most important thing- it's how it feels when riding. As you point out you have to consider ST angle and TT length, etc. On the 62cm frame the TT is about 64cm I think (the geo chart lists 62.5, but I remember there was mention of lengthening it for the final version), whereas on the SH the TT is 61cm. But, these numbers really mean nothing compared to actually riding the bike. I think this calls for loading up your SH and heading out to Rivendell to give the HP a try! :D As one more data point, I ride a 64cm quickbeam and a 56cm bombadil. They couldn't fit better to me- incidentally they have the same TT length and ST angle, and feel very similar. I have tried a 60cm bombadil, but the 60cm felt way too big for me and the kind of riding I do. My saddle height is 79cm or thereabouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
You should get a 58 and set it up with a very large tire. It will work well, and you won't regret the standover when you're riding offroad. I ride a 66cm atlantis, a 62cm hunqa. I probably would've been equally happy with a 58. It's all about stem length. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! This may prove to be an important fact. If the eff top tube on the 62cm Hunqapillar is actually 3cm longer than that of my Hillborne, then I will not get a 62cm Hunqapillar without straddling it first. I don't think I'd have a problem with the 1.5cm difference listed in the geometry page. But 3cm sounds longer enough to demand a test. Thanks! I now know that, at the very least, I need to confirm the published numbers. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 3:43 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: On May 24, 2:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) This is a good point. Tom, if you can ride a 60cm SH, You could probably ride a 62cm or 58cm Hunqapillar, but which you prefer depends on the kind of fit you are looking for. I think standover clearance is not the most important thing- it's how it feels when riding.As you point out you have to consider ST angle and TT length, etc. On the 62cm frame the TT is about 64cm I think (the geo chart lists 62.5, but I remember there was mention of lengthening it for the final version), whereas on the SH the TT is 61cm. But, these numbers really mean nothing compared to actually riding the bike. I think this calls for loading up your SH and heading out to Rivendell to give the HP a try! :D As one more data point, I ride a 64cm quickbeam and a 56cm bombadil.They couldn't fit better to me- incidentally they have the same TT length and ST angle, and feel very similar. I have tried a 60cm bombadil, but the 60cm felt way too big for me and the kind of riding I do. My saddle height is 79cm or thereabouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Well if that's true then I'll probably go for the second Hillborne. But at least one place on the RBW web-site puts him at a 89 PBH and says he got the Hunqapillar as a mountain bike. I don't need (or want) the extra standover that mountain biking would suggest. But all of the numbers are close enogh that only actually straddling one would tell. The idea of a second Hillborne appeals to me enough that it makes unusually precise demands on the Hunqapillar alternative. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 5:03 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! CUS-TOM! On May 25, 3:55 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well if that's true then I'll probably go for the second Hillborne. But at least one place on the RBW web-site puts him at a 89 PBH and says he got the Hunqapillar as a mountain bike. I don't need (or want) the extra standover that mountain biking would suggest. But all of the numbers are close enogh that only actually straddling one would tell. The idea of a second Hillborne appeals to me enough that it makes unusually precise demands on the Hunqapillar alternative. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 25, 5:03 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think that Keven has a 91 cm pbh (lol that I know that) and he has the 58. Food for thought. It seems like the writeup strongly suggests that the correct size for you would be 58 cm. On May 25, 6:15 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention... RBW's geometry PDF says the 62cm Hunqapillar has a standover of 90.6cm. That's close enough to warrant a real world test before deciding. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 1:53 pm, dweendaddy dweenda...@gmail.com wrote: I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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IMHOno one bike doesn't it all as well as something made specifically for the task at hand. If a guy has a limited budget or wants a one bike does it all an all rounder that can handle the rough stuff is the best. Of course this depends on your weight. I think that since you have a Hillborne I would get a heavier frame Hunkqa and set it up as a rough stuff/camping bike. On May 23, 4:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Another vote for a Bomba. On May 23, 7:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil? If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all. But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Oh, you can bet they'll be set up with various arrangements at various times, probably rarely the same. I've got four ready-to-go cockpits now (Alba, Moustache, Noodle, tall Bullmoose 150), one not-so-ready-to- go (normal Bullmoose 150). And I have two more in mind (bar-end Silvers Alba; current one is Thumbie/Shimano) and another Bullmoose (200mm, to become tall Bullmoose while 150 becomes normal Bullmoose). One area which I won't vary is to fender or not; both bikes will wear fenders at all times. Which kind of matters, because that means that if I choose to go with 2 Hillbornes, I'll be limited to 700x40 tires (I'm not comfortable with less fender clearance than that). That's fine but not ideal. The kind of riding I do does not *require* fatter tires. But having one fatter-tired bike would be another level of variety without compromise. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 23, 11:34 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: My vote would be two non-identical Hillbornes. It would be interesting (for me) to (have you) set up the same frame for different purposes. One smooth road, one roughstuff. Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On May 23, 4:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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At this point the Bombadil just feels too pricey. I can't claim that I'm too fiscally responsible to go with a Bombadil. But I am that fiscally wimpy. That's $700-$1,100 worth of bags or racks or dynamo wheels/lights or dreamy tires or bags (I do love bags) or rugged 40-hole-Phil/Dyad/FW rear wheels or leather tape... ...you get the idea. I may spring for a paint job up front for the potential Hunqapillar or Hillborne, so the actual difference wouldn't necessarily be just the frameset price difference. I love the Hillborne orange, don't love the Hillborne green, and thus *may* spring for a different color just to avoid having two literally identical frames. And as for the Hunqapillar... ...well, I'm sorry it's rare that I feel this way about stuff RBW produces... but that paint job is *not* attractive to me. At all. There. I said it. It's right there with the grid grey bags. And the diaga-tube. That's pretty much it for RBW stuff that I don't like the look of. And I don't proclaim them to be bad art or anything. I don't know from art. They simply don't appeal to me. I should say... the diaga-tube I trust to be an actual improvement in the frame's strength. Which I am very happy to have, weighing 245. And if the cost of that is (to me) a not-so-big-deal aesthetic compromise, I'll take the strength any day. I'll look at it all day long and see nothing but the strength. But even with the Hunqapillar it's not a given that I'll get it re- painted. Looks do matter to me. But they really fade in importance when you ride a bike like the Hillborne. And eventually, though I won't come to like the look of the Hunqapillar itself, I will associate its unique appearance with the miles I enjoy riding it. I mean... I drive a Honda Fit. The thing is really kind of silly looking. But now when I look at it, I see and appreciate the things we've used it for, and not the boxy brick-like profile. It's not that I now like the way it looks. It's that now the way it looks is simply part of *it*, for which I have developed my great appreciation. But... if I do get my new bike painted... it'll almost certainly be the color of the Hillborne wearing the silver Longboard fenders on the RBW web-site. I'm told it's called Mary's Blue. And I think it'd be even more gorgeous on a Hunqapillar. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sks-longboard-fenders/27-014 Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 10:17 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for a Bomba. On May 23, 7:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil? If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all. But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small differences, but differences nonetheless. So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new bike to do? if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it. i should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides with your doppelgänger when he visits. or you could set up one hillborne as your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring. personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities. i travel a lot, and often wish i had my bike with me. i might consider getting a lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel. or maybe a fun little brommie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new bike to do? if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it. i should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides with your doppelgänger when he visits. or you could set up one hillborne as your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring. personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities. i travel a lot, and often wish i had my bike with me. i might consider getting a lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel. or maybe a fun little brommie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
I think I have something to offer here. I measured my own PBH to 91 cm. I went to Riv, used their method, and got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really going for it lol). I am 6'3 and 240 for reference. I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne. I ended up going with the Sam. I thought that it would be more versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that feels a little more lighter and spry. I thought that the Sam would be great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride a bit shorter distance. If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my list. It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast on fire trails, with a full load. Just a super fun bike to ride. I personally would not get another Sam. I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar paint job. I don't like the grey/maroon combo. I also think that getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the diagatube somehow. I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics, but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of the greatness. Even with all that being said, I would love to have one of the stock hunqas. It's a really sweet bike. One of those you have to ride it to understand things I think. I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best suited to answer your questions I think. On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small differences, but differences nonetheless. So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new bike to do? if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it. i should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides with your doppelgänger when he visits. or you could set up one hillborne as your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring. personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities. i travel a lot, and often wish i had my bike with me. i might consider getting a lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel. or maybe a fun little brommie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Why? On May 24, 1:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I personally would not get another Sam. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube, there's inconsistency in the available specifications. That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too close to call without some additional real world information. First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big. Alas life is not like that so far. We should all have such problems! :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil? If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all. But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Interesting, indeed. I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt like it to me! I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly- longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent with my 90 PBH measurement. Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the 62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean Enjoying the problem. On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I think I have something to offer here. I measured my own PBH to 91 cm. I went to Riv, used their method, and got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really going for it lol). I am 6'3 and 240 for reference. I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne. I ended up going with the Sam. I thought that it would be more versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that feels a little more lighter and spry. I thought that the Sam would be great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride a bit shorter distance. If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my list. It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast on fire trails, with a full load. Just a super fun bike to ride. I personally would not get another Sam. I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar paint job. I don't like the grey/maroon combo. I also think that getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the diagatube somehow. I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics, but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of the greatness. Even with all that being said, I would love to have one of the stock hunqas. It's a really sweet bike. One of those you have to ride it to understand things I think. I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best suited to answer your questions I think. On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small differences, but differences nonetheless. So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new bike to do? if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it. i should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides with your doppelgänger when he visits. or you could set up one hillborne as your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring. personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities. i travel a lot, and often wish i had my bike with me. i might consider getting a lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel. or maybe a fun
Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61 Atlantis. My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube, there's inconsistency in the available specifications. That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too close to call without some additional real world information. First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big. Alas life is not like that so far. We should all have such problems! :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all.But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
It's time for a sweet custom! On May 24, 3:55 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61 Atlantis. My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube, there's inconsistency in the available specifications. That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too close to call without some additional real world information. First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big. Alas life is not like that so far. We should all have such problems! :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil? If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all. But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Tom- I am 6'3 and would say that I have a relatively short inseam. I have a very long torso. I would say that the 62 Hunqa felt significantly smaller than the 64 Sam did. It didn't, however, feel tiny. Also, your comment about fendering both bikes pushes me even more firmly in the direction of picking up the Hunq - either the 62 or, gasp, the 60. Then you could still run big boy tires, even with the fenders. Just seems like you could do so much more with the combo of the Sam and the Hunqa. On May 24, 6:33 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting, indeed. I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt like it to me! I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly- longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent with my 90 PBH measurement. Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the 62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean Enjoying the problem. On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I think I have something to offer here. I measured my own PBH to 91 cm. I went to Riv, used their method, and got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really going for it lol). I am 6'3 and 240 for reference. I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne. I ended up going with the Sam. I thought that it would be more versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that feels a little more lighter and spry. I thought that the Sam would be great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride a bit shorter distance. If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my list. It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast on fire trails, with a full load. Just a super fun bike to ride. I personally would not get another Sam. I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar paint job. I don't like the grey/maroon combo. I also think that getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the diagatube somehow. I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics, but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of the greatness. Even with all that being said, I would love to have one of the stock hunqas. It's a really sweet bike. One of those you have to ride it to understand things I think. I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best suited to answer your questions I think. On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small differences, but differences nonetheless. So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
Hey, that's great. To hear the 62 Hunqapillar described as significantly smaller than the 64cm Hillborne is encouraging indeed. Thanks! Trust me... If there were a 60cm Hunqapillar, it'd be the front runner. Alas, the 58 is too small. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 7:30 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Tom- I am 6'3 and would say that I have a relatively short inseam. I have a very long torso. I would say that the 62 Hunqa felt significantly smaller than the 64 Sam did. It didn't, however, feel tiny. Also, your comment about fendering both bikes pushes me even more firmly in the direction of picking up the Hunq - either the 62 or, gasp, the 60. Then you could still run big boy tires, even with the fenders. Just seems like you could do so much more with the combo of the Sam and the Hunqa. On May 24, 6:33 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting, indeed. I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt like it to me! I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly- longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent with my 90 PBH measurement. Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the 62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean Enjoying the problem. On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I think I have something to offer here. I measured my own PBH to 91 cm. I went to Riv, used their method, and got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really going for it lol). I am 6'3 and 240 for reference. I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne. I ended up going with the Sam. I thought that it would be more versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that feels a little more lighter and spry. I thought that the Sam would be great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride a bit shorter distance. If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my list. It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast on fire trails, with a full load. Just a super fun bike to ride. I personally would not get another Sam. I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar paint job. I don't like the grey/maroon combo. I also think that getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the diagatube somehow. I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics, but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of the greatness. Even with all that being said, I would love to have one of the stock hunqas. It's a really sweet bike. One of those you have to ride it to understand things I think. I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best suited to answer your questions I think. On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at Hunqas. According to the Riv site: 5-9 to 5-11: 54cm Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on it and then, according to the site: 62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest tire is 91.5cm) Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is stretching it, so to speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
i still contend that the bike you choose needs to have a purpose. perhaps variety* is* that purpose. the hunq (i would go for the bomba) would give you a very different ride. i don't quite see the logic in getting a second hillborne just to have another hillborne. if cockpit swapping is trivial for you, then you already have a lot of untapped variety. an alternative would be to simply save your money and just *love your current bike all the more.* maybe buy it a nice beautiful bag. btw, i also wasn't a fan of the grid grey but then i came around, and now i love it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
I just put a 62 Hunqa together after receiving it in Jan-it's been that kind of spring. I'm amazed at how much I enjoy the upright position afforded by the Albatross bars!!! I have a color-matched 150mm stem them had laying around and that definitely adds to the correct fit of the bike. Suddenly I'm in 5th grade again. How can that be bad? RGZ On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: I think I have something to offer here. I measured my own PBH to 91 cm. I went to Riv, used their method, and got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really going for it lol). I am 6'3 and 240 for reference. I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne. I ended up going with the Sam. I thought that it would be more versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that feels a little more lighter and spry. I thought that the Sam would be great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride a bit shorter distance. If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my list. It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast on fire trails, with a full load. Just a super fun bike to ride. I personally would not get another Sam. I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar paint job. I don't like the grey/maroon combo. I also think that getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the diagatube somehow. I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics, but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of the greatness. Even with all that being said, I would love to have one of the stock hunqas. It's a really sweet bike. One of those you have to ride it to understand things I think. I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best suited to answer your questions I think. On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want. Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single Hunqapillar. To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective). As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small differences, but differences nonetheless. So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new bike to do? if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it. i should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides with your doppelgänger when he visits. or you could set up one hillborne as your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring. personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities. i travel a lot, and often wish i had my bike with me. i might consider getting a lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel. or maybe a fun little brommie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential
LOL!!! Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 24, 2011, at 5:37 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: It's time for a sweet custom! On May 24, 3:55 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61 Atlantis. My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube, there's inconsistency in the available specifications. That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too close to call without some additional real world information. First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big. Alas life is not like that so far. We should all have such problems! :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all.But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?If not, and you can't find a local Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at all.But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in one hand and the seat in the other, and lift; then have someone take a look at how high the wheels come off the ground. If you have an inch or two of clearance, the HP should work. Anyway good luck with the choices. -Matt On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Decision Potential
My vote would be two non-identical Hillbornes. It would be interesting (for me) to (have you) set up the same frame for different purposes. One smooth road, one roughstuff. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On May 23, 4:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm Hillborne? At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know. So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives. It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets. Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load. Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But I'm flexible. Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request! And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
