Re: CS>Re:electroporation.
Debbie McDonald wrote: > deat...@aol.com wrote: > I did take my medications and herbs as usual BUT I kept a > > cordless phone in my lap so I could call 911 in case electroporation. set in > > since I live alone > > So how would you know electroporation is setting in?? Deb There is no simple answer because it increases the effects of any toxins. If you drink a beer you may get drunk as if you drank 20 beers. If you smoke, you may get nicotine poisoning. If you eat garlic, you could get very sick as if you ate 20 times as much. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
In a message dated 11/23/99 8:00:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mdev...@mail.id.net writes: << Just so you remember, nobody can *prove* this stuff is safe for *anything*, let alone use during pregnancy, *IF* your standards of proof are those of mainstream medicine, the FDA, or liability law. >> Oh, I understand. The other side, of course, is that we cannot trust how safe the stuff "they" give us is, either. I have had several "offers" of antibiotics in the last five months due to "some" white blood cells in the urinary tract. I felt/believed that there wasn't an infection, and sure enough, there wasn't. But they are so quick. it was just irritation due to a passing kidney stone. (well, more than one!) Life isn't safe, but we live it anyway!!! I know the silver helps, at the very least. I've experienced that. I just hate to "experiment" with a growing baby inside. I don't want him/her coming out blue skinned (okay, so I exaggerate!, LOL) I've been taking quite a bit of cs for a lot of months. About a month ago, the whole family (who is sloppy about taking it) got sick with colds. I am the only one that didn't get it. Anyway, thanks again for the info!!! Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>***electroporation/amalgams
Do any of you using this technology still have your amalgam fillings? I have been afraid of putting more mercury into my brain etc ??? Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:electroporation.
deat...@aol.com wrote: I did take my medications and herbs as usual BUT I kept a > cordless phone in my lap so I could call 911 in case electroporation. set in > since I live alone So how would you know electroporation is setting in?? Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:electroporation.
In response to personal experiences with electroporation; I take two different "maintenance" medications every day of my life; I borrowed a friends silver pulser from Beck - used it way beyond what you were supposed to (didn't know any better at the time); I am still alive to tell about it. I agree, this same friend that loaned me the unit; has met Beck on several occasions at shows and he said that the same thing mentioned in another post here - Beck is mainly just trying to be safe. FYI, what I did after that - I did take my medications and herbs as usual BUT I kept a cordless phone in my lap so I could call 911 in case electroporation. set in since I live alone - to date - nothing - so use your own judgment. Jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Diane wrote: > This is a great explanation you have given us. I'm printing it out > to hold hands with as I try my next batch of "pure" cs. Thanks. I'm glad it helps. > I am just particularly nervous now about the purity of the cs, as I > found out I'm pregnant. So all the fear sets in. Will this hurt > me, the baby, the kids? Just so you remember, nobody can *prove* this stuff is safe for *anything*, let alone use during pregnancy, *IF* your standards of proof are those of mainstream medicine, the FDA, or liability law. Please consult a health care provider that you trust and be sure you are making a fully informed decision before using any information you find here or elsewhere on line. The risk and the responsibility rests squarely on *your* shoulders. Beyond that, I'm sure folks are willing to share their experiences and whatever they know or have heard, but nobody can tell you what you should do. Having kids is a wonderful part of life. I'm happy for you. Be blessed, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
No, electrocution is much more likely than an explosion. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com [SMTP:donna2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/ James, As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow myself up trying to figure this all out. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Diane, I am 6 weeks pregnant and was advised not to take CS for the first trimester. As I understood, the body might treat the baby as something foreign and the CS will will try to build up immunities to it and possibly cause a miscarriage. Teresa I am just particularly nervous now > about the purity of the cs, as I found out I'm pregnant. So all the fear > sets in. Will this hurt me, the baby, the kids? Ugg. > > > > Thanks again, > Diane > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Mike, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Now I see what I wasn't doing and should have been, while making the non-saline cs. I'll go for it again. This is a great explanation you have given us. I'm printing it out to hold hands with as I try my next batch of "pure" cs. I did get a tiny sore in my mouth, on my gum about 3 - 4 days ago, and I kept swishing my mouth with the saline cs. It had a little white spot, so was infected. I scraped myself with the toothbrush. duh. Anyway, it's almost totally gone now. I assume the cs helped. But, I know it has helped with other situations. I am just particularly nervous now about the purity of the cs, as I found out I'm pregnant. So all the fear sets in. Will this hurt me, the baby, the kids? Ugg. Thanks again, Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
> James, > As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow > myself up trying to figure this all out. > > Donna Earnest Dear Donna, No! Don`t blow yourself up! Who`d I write to??? sob boo hoo... Marsha :o) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
James, As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow myself up trying to figure this all out. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Peroxide in ears/ouch
An ENT specialist, and quickly. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: dmngirl...@aol.com [SMTP:dmngirl...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Peroxide in ears/ouch What would you suggest for a child with ruptued ear drums ? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Curses-more change!?
Curses, every time I start to feel comfortable-(health wise) using something, along come the 'smarties' who make me want to change!! As a family we changed from using butter to a combination of canola & butter on the advice of a health professional. Now that Canola is a virtual no! What can we safely use instead? Our local butter marketing people have used the slogan; "Butter eaters make better lovers" Perhaps they know something that we don't! Perhaps they may be right!! But until someone proves one way or another, what am I going to us on my toast every morning, & put on the kids sandwiches? HELP!!! Rob - Original Message - From: "2001 TV VCR" To: ; Sent: 23 November 1999 7:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > Hi Yvonne:o, > > I have been using olive oil for everything for > years. Mostly salad dressing and soups. I > heard that studies indicate that the high > consumption of this oil by people in the middle > east may explain why the rate of heart attacks > in those countries is so low. > > Because of the high price of organic I always > buy extra virgin olive oil at the supermarket. > Since the olives are probably sprayed with > chemical insecticides I often wonder if this > stuff is almost as bad as regular refined > vegetable oil. > > Bil > > - Original Message - > From: O2 Communication > To: ; > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:06 AM > Subject: RE: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > > > > Great news re. fleas - should surely work for dogs as well? > > > > During nutrition training some years ago, I leanred from Dr Don Lawson > (USA) > > that one should only cook with olive oil and butter (monosaturates) as > > compared with the polyunsaturates which, when heated, become > carcinogenic... > > and that's how we've cooked, very healthily ever since ...! > > > > Yvonne:o) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: fernwo...@aol.com [mailto:fernwo...@aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:15 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > > > > > > To those asking about jewel weed, here is a link with a great picture. > > I > > have used it all my life to prevent problems after touching poison ivy. > > HREF="http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm";>jewel weed, poison ivy, poison > ivy > > cure, folk medicine > > > > As to the discussion of cats, do you know about using brewers yeast to > > prevent fleas. In PA, I give each cat 1/4 teaspoon a day mixed with > canned > > cat food. I do this March through November, and they never have fleas > now. > > But you must start early, before there are any fleas around, or the fleas > > will move off the cats onto you. > > > > I had used Canola oil because it was recommended by Nutrition Action > as > > the best, until I recently read many horrible things about it. By the > way, > > did you know it is in most peanut butters? So I switched to Soy oil > because > > soy is supposed to be so good for you. But now someone said there are > > dangers with soy oil. Could anyone explain what the problem is with soy > > oil? > > Karen > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
RE: CS>silver producing bacteria
Great, now all we need is for them to share genes with common pathogens and they will all commit suicide or become totally resistant to Ag. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Corvus Corax [SMTP:cor...@cheerful.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>silver producing bacteria A strain of bacteria that can manufacture tiny crystals of silver has been reported by Swedish scientists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_533000/533416.stm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: "Death"
> What are your opinions of companies that sell 10 ppm cs for so much > money? Freedom of capitalism, but most consumers do not realize how > simple it is to make their own CS. We had a discussion of this just last month that wasn't too pretty. I think the best thing anyone can do is make sure the information about how to make and use CS is as widely available and of as high a quality as possible. You don't even need to talk about what the "bad guys" are doing. That's called competition. When they can't make more than one sale to a customer and almost nobody comes to them in the first place, they'll get the market's message. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> O.T. Re:peroxide in ears
> Was it food grade? There are often preservatives in other. Unlikely---but certainly possible---that it was the stuff itself. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > No, it was not food grade, it was the 3 or 3.5 %. However, prior to using it, I did correspond with the party (who I consider reliable) and was told that they used the regular household type. This person and I had no problems using it, but again, my spouse did. H.B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Peroxide in ears/ouch
What would you suggest for a child with ruptued ear drums ? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: "Death"
> I wrote: >> Please avoid religious discussions and outright evangelization. Chuck wrote: > Amen! M. giggling quietly and rocking in the corner... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>silver producing bacteria
A strain of bacteria that can manufacture tiny crystals of silver has been reported by Swedish scientists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_533000/533416.stm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: "Death"
Was someone preaching? I think I must have missed this. :) What good is it to preach anyway, isn't everyone just going to do their own thing anyway?? What are your opinions of companies that sell 10 ppm cs for so much money? Freedom of capitalism, but most consumers do not realize how simple it is to make their own CS. June -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Donna/electroporation
Hi Donna, it means that the cell walls open when electricity is applied to them -- so toxins get out -- which is good -- but other substances might get in so you need to be carefull of what is in your body at the time of using the zapper. I wouldn't smoke and use the zapper -- just in case. Take care, Katarina > >> > Katarina, > What does electoporation mean exactly? If I could just quit smoking I > would love to try one of these devices. I still have the one that someone > made me and have never tried it. > Donna > > Donna Earnest > This email contains only my opinion and should not be taken as medical advice. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Thanks for the information Mike, I'll keep trying!! Teresa M. G. Devour wrote: > > Oops. > > I should have added that you can save some time by reserving a > quarter of your last batch to act as "starter" for the next. The > initial conentration of CS particles will chop a big chunk off the > startup time. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@mail.id.net ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Brooks/pulser
Dear Brooks, Wow, that's really interesting. I would trust your experiments more than my doctors hearsay -- even though he claims it is from the horses mouth. I will actually tell him this and see what he says and get more details on this study that he said proves it doesn't happen. My guess is that it was a test tube study --not in vivo. Thanks for the warning -- it's funny -- I'm sort of uncomfortable with the pulser anyhow -- I was using it for a while and don't really know why I stopped -- it didn't make me feel better or worse -- although if I wore it for much more than two hours I started to feel kind of buzzy and dehydrated. Maybe it's because I was also using my herbs -- as per my doctor. Very interesting. Thanks again, Katarina > Dear Katarina. > I would be VERY careful in my appraisal of your doctor's counsel > that cell poration is not to be regarded as a major consideration. We have, > repeatedly, been able to induce "toxin-based" unconsciousness in canines, in our > experimental researches relating to this phenomena.. Fortunately, we were > equipped to detoxify them, all, before permanent damage occurred. Such > gneralizations, in the absence of supporting documentationdo appear to be > quite unprofessional..and potentially dangerous, if taken as proven fact. > Sincerely.. > Brooks Bradley. > Mar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:electroporation/Marshall
Hey Marshall, that's interesting -- I didn't know that only 10% of people actually are affected by electroporation. My doctor is "friends" with Beck and what he says is that Beck had one patient who had aids who took a large number of very strong aids drugs while using the pulser over a long period of time and that that person died. It wasn't clear what he died from, but Beck wanted to be careful. However, according to my doctor, recent studies at UCLA show that electroporation doesn't relaly happen. I have no idea but I do believe in being careful -- so I slowly tried using my herbs closer and closer to the time when I used the pulser, with no harmful effect. I'll try to ask my doctor who did the study -- but I bet he won't remember. Take care, katarina > Perhaps, but Beck claims on a tape that I have that a friend of his died from > it. However he said only 10% or so of the people suffer from it, so for most > people it won't happen. > > Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: "Death"
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:53:43 +, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >> Please avoid religious discussions and outright evangelization. Amen! Chuck Let's all get together and sing pumpkin carols. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Oops. I should have added that you can save some time by reserving a quarter of your last batch to act as "starter" for the next. The initial conentration of CS particles will chop a big chunk off the startup time. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help! Quick tutorial...
Hello Teresa and hello Diane! > Everytime I try to make CS, it turns out grey and has this stuff > that sticks all over the negative rod. I think it's time for a *real* simple tutorial that covers some of the basics of the two simplest processes. The first thing to do is distinguish between the salt and no-salt methods... Adding a drop or two of saline, or "a few grains" of salt, as some recipes call for, makes your water quite conductive. So current flows right away, lots of silver particles are generated right from the start, and the whole process takes only a few minutes to generate useable concentrations of CS. The product is clear to slightly milky and no significant deposits form on the electrodes. The epitome of simplicity! The downside to this technique is that it's been widely reported it makes particles much larger than those created by other methods. It is claimed that these are not as safe as we want. The other result of larger particles is less shelf life. There is frequently fallout in the bottom of the bottle after a few days to a couple of weeks. See http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm for Peter Lindemann's discussion of salt vs. no salt. That being said, and much to the horror of the purists among us , I will say that a lot of folks have used this method with good results and no problems (that we know of) to date. I started off that way and have since switched to no-salt. I wouldn't hesitate to use such CS if I needed to, but to be cautious I'd probably go back to my no-salt preparation when I could. But, what about the no salt methods? How are they different? Bigtime differences are that they are *slow*, and that you have to deal with the gunk that accumulates on the negative electrode. The basic no-salt recipe goes something like this: Start with the purest water you can get. Steam distilled in jugs from the grocery store is usually adequate, barring occasional quality control problems. Make sure eveything is clean and *very* well rinsed. Usually you would wash and rinse everything as you normally would, then follow up with at least two rinses in distilled water. Don't handle the business end of the silver wires or touch the inside of the glass so you don't get salt or oils from your skin on things. Pop the wires into the glass, using whatever arrangement you've chosen to keep them a fixed distance apart and straight. Attach the power and ... and ... err ... sit and wait. After a length of time that will vary by the purity of your water, temperature, voltage, electrode spacing, and possibly the phase of the moon (no lie!), you will see the process begin working. This stage could take anything from 20 minutes to maybe an hour. You'll then see the electrodes start to change color and texture. The positive electrode, the one that's donating the silver, will go grey and then a sort of soot-like black as the surface becomes rough on a microscopic level. A faint, wispy cloud of silver particles will start to come off the surface. The negative electrode will turn grey and start to accumulate a fuzzy looking "fluff" of silver particles that have fallen out of suspension and are clinging there. Most recipes tell you to remove the electrodes from the water, being as careful as you can not to disturb the "fluff", and wipe them off. Stir the CS to distribute the cloud of particles that form around the positive wire. Then put the wires back in place and let the process continue. Repeat these steps every once in a while (5 to 20 minutes?) until you decide to stop the run. If you get a little of the fluff in the CS, don't worry. You can let it settle and pour off the rest, or you can filter the product through unbleached coffee filters. One misunderstanding some beginners have had is stirring the fluff *into* the CS. The result is a grey, muddy looking product that I would not consider safe. The total time from the first wisps of silver from the positive wire to when you stop the run varies widely depending on many other details of the recipe which I won't cover here, since there are so many variations and we haven't settled on any single arrangement. There are several ways to know that you're really making CS and to decide when to stop the run... Shine a narrow beam flashlight or inexpensive laser pointer through the water. If you see the beam clearly, you are seeing the Tyndall effect. That's the light being scattered by all the little particles of silver in the water. If, looking closely, you can see visible "sparklies" in the beam, it means you're running for too long or at too high a current, and are generating some big particles. Another useful tool is to put a milliammeter of some sort in series with your electrodes to monitor the current. The initial current gives you a relative measure of your water purity. The ending current helps you get the same approximate concentration from batch to batch. And if your batteries are dead you'll notice tha
RE: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
Hi Donna, If you have lots of time in relation to money, you might come out ahead building your own. Yes, the total cost of the components is significantly less that the assembled machine. But, if you account for all of the time you will spend locating, order, and fabricating, you will find it is probably cost effective to buy the machine. The Marx HVAC machine is basically a 10KV center-tapped secondary with a 120 V primary, a timer, with a switch to bypass the timer for manual operation, a circuit breaker for protection, a fan, and a fan option switch and an off/on switch. The secret is in the electrode configuration, and according to Bruce, the thing is very tweaky. I think that good silver can be made by a variety of processes. I do not know what is best. My main technical sources are Bruce, Brooks and Ivan, with lots of others too. Good luck with your decision process, if you have specific questions I will try to answer them or refer them to others. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com [SMTP:donna2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/ James, Did you build your own HVAC generator? I have been looking at them, including the one from Bruce Marx but the price is kind of high for me right now. I am just starting to look into this again. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
James, Did you build your own HVAC generator? I have been looking at them, including the one from Bruce Marx but the price is kind of high for me right now. I am just starting to look into this again. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: "Death"
A gentle reminder everyone -- from the list rules: > To keep things going smoothly, we've found it helpful to prohibit > or restrict certain subjects and behaviors. ... > Please avoid religious discussions and outright evangelization. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Jeannine wrote (in private e-mail to Bil): > it's my signature and only a moron would make a comment like that Bil wrote: > Either way I think that you should turn to God. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help!
In a message dated 11/22/1999 7:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, pran...@3-cities.com writes: << I have been listening and learning and decided to make my own CS. I got the silver rods from Marsha and followed the directions to make it with the 3 9v batteries. Everytime I try to make CS, it turns out grey and has this stuff that sticks all over the negative rod. At first I bought some distilled water and after I tried it I looked at the label and it said it was distilled through reverse osmosis ( I believe they use salt in the process) Now I got some water that says steam distilled and it is still turning out grey and yucky looking. What am I doing wrong??? How can I get the yellow CS?? Someone PLEASE help me Teresa >> Teresa, I will give this a shot until the techies jump in here. If the stuff hanging off the one wire is black that is ok. You must carefully clean the wire off at intervals to keep it clean. As for the color the people on the list will want to know the following. 1. How far apart are you spacing the wires 2. How long are you running it for 3. what are you making it in? 4. How much water is being used and how much of the wire is in the water. They can get a clearer picture if you include all the details. Donna Donna Earnest This email contains only my opinion and should not be taken as medical advice. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Re: H>B>/pulser
Yes and electroporation apparently magnifies effects - for example, one aspirin might have the effect of 20 or one beer would have the effect of 20 beers on the system! Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Re: H>B>/pulser donna2...@aol.com wrote: Katarina, > What does electoporation mean exactly? If I could just quit smoking I > would love to try one of these devices. I still have the one that someone > made me and have never tried it. > Donna >From what I understand the current causes cells to become more open to substances passing into them. Any toxins, or drugs then tend to have more effect than they normally would. According to Beck, a friend of his died after eating garlic and zapping with his unit. I have not heard that the Clark unit can cause the same thing, but I really don't know. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ptemarin
Remember also that anti-perspirant deos contribute to breast cancer - they block off the natural 'elimination of toxins' process. Yvonne :o0 -Original Message- From: Liz Pavek [mailto:liz...@frontiernet.net] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 6:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Ptemarin I had a "Pan-hysterectomy" fourteen years ago. Everything was removed, and I was placed immediately on the strongest premarin they make. Ten years later, I lost a breast to breast cancer, and the doctors admitted that the premarin was probably responsible. Yet they continue to prescribe it. Did you know that premarin is the most heavily prescribed medication in the United States? Is it any wonder there's been such an increase in breast cancer? Liz -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: "Death"
To the person who has the word "death" in his (or her) e-mail address and blocked my e-mail Again, not to be rude, I don't think that commenting on a word which most people would hardly believe is part of someone's actual name qualifies me as moron. It seemed very obvious that you are trying to make a statement. If this is your name then I am very sorry. Either way I think that you should turn to God. God Bless you, Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: NIZORAL & Diflucan > NO > it's my signature and only a moron would make a comment like that > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Current Limit Resistor
Hi Katarina, In answer to your CS current limiting question Go to Radio Shack or any electronics parts distributor and ask for a 1/2 watt, 8.2k (8200 ohm) resistor. Also get two of the alligator clips that are designed to snap onto the ends of your meter probes. Get one red and one black if possible (test clips) Just cut ONE of the wires going to your silver electrodes. Now simply attach each end of the resistor to one of the wires. "In series" means that the electric current will have to flow through the added device, similar to adding a small diameter water pipe "in series" with a larger pipe to limit the water flow. Now wire in the meter (set to milliamps) in series with the resistor. Here is the diagram: wire -> -ResistorMeter-> To silver Use the alligator clips to add the meter in series so that you can disconnect it if necessary to measure battery voltage or something. To reconnect the "open" wires when the meter is not used you can attach a clip lead (available in bags of five for a couple of bucks). If you have any other questions please give me your phone no. and what time is best and I will call you. E-mails take me forever to compose. Have fun, Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 8:34 AM Subject: CS>Re:Bil/resistor > Hi Bil, > that is exciting -- I would love to limit the current on my pulser. > So do I buy a resistor at Radio Shack? and what exactly do I ask for? > Then once I have it I just cut the wires and strip them a little and then I > can wire in both the meter and the resistor? Can I wire the resistor to the > meter and then the outside two wires to the pulser lead and the one to the > electrode? > > I think I'm going to get all this stuff and start experimenting soon. > > Thanks for your help. > Take care, > katarina > > > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:02:02 -0800 > > From: "2001 TV VCR" > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>METERS & Current Limiting > > Message-ID: <008e01bf34b7$069ee780$8dd4d...@x2001> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > To Jeff and all, > > > > The output of the Bob Beck approved pulsers/ > > CS makers is 27 VDC (pure DC, no pulsing) if > > you use the correct jack (CS). > > > > To limit the current to a maximum of 2 to 3 mA > > (depends on how strong you make the CS) > > when using 27 or 30 VDC just wire a 8200 ohm > > resistor (any wattage will do) in series with one > > of the leads going to the silver. > > > > Don't worry about cutting one of the wires to > > wire in the resistor and your meter (mA scale). > > This will not affect the operation in any way > > other than to limit the current (resistor). The > > benefits far outweigh the slight damage (change > > of appearance!). > > > > If you still have questions let me know. > > Good luck, > > > > Bil > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil
Hi Yvonne:o, I have been using olive oil for everything for years. Mostly salad dressing and soups. I heard that studies indicate that the high consumption of this oil by people in the middle east may explain why the rate of heart attacks in those countries is so low. Because of the high price of organic I always buy extra virgin olive oil at the supermarket. Since the olives are probably sprayed with chemical insecticides I often wonder if this stuff is almost as bad as regular refined vegetable oil. Bil - Original Message - From: O2 Communication To: ; Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: RE: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > Great news re. fleas - should surely work for dogs as well? > > During nutrition training some years ago, I leanred from Dr Don Lawson (USA) > that one should only cook with olive oil and butter (monosaturates) as > compared with the polyunsaturates which, when heated, become carcinogenic... > and that's how we've cooked, very healthily ever since ...! > > Yvonne:o) > > -Original Message- > From: fernwo...@aol.com [mailto:fernwo...@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:15 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > > > To those asking about jewel weed, here is a link with a great picture. > I > have used it all my life to prevent problems after touching poison ivy. HREF="http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm";>jewel weed, poison ivy, poison ivy > cure, folk medicine > > As to the discussion of cats, do you know about using brewers yeast to > prevent fleas. In PA, I give each cat 1/4 teaspoon a day mixed with canned > cat food. I do this March through November, and they never have fleas now. > But you must start early, before there are any fleas around, or the fleas > will move off the cats onto you. > > I had used Canola oil because it was recommended by Nutrition Action as > the best, until I recently read many horrible things about it. By the way, > did you know it is in most peanut butters? So I switched to Soy oil because > soy is supposed to be so good for you. But now someone said there are > dangers with soy oil. Could anyone explain what the problem is with soy > oil? > Karen > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
