Re: CS>Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I read this morning that labs here use something called "thin layer 
spectroscopy"  to look for the large molecules characteristic of added 
sugars.Article said 90% of honey sold in Japan comes from China, at 
wholesale about ¥500 (say, five US dollars) per kilogram.   Break-even 
in stores is ¥800 per kilogram, so the profits are pretty small.   
About 20& of the stuff analyzed turns out to have been adulterated.





On Saturday, May 26, 2007, at 00:11 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
In Japan, as I write, there's a big scandal about honey, both 
domestic and imported.  Some mfgrs. have been adding sweeteners to 
their "pure" honey had at last were found out.Lots of "pure 
honey" on sale at half price in the groceries these days!


I am not sure how the scam was exposed.



Turns out that telling if sugar has been added to honey is pretty 
simple.  Sugar molecules have handedness, and will rotate light by a 
certain amount right or left depending on the sugar and the handedness 
of the molecule.  If I remember right the handedness of pure honey is 
one direction, unless made from sucrose, in which it is then the other 
direction.  So a simple test with polarized light can determine if it 
has been adulterated this way, and if so, how much.


Marshall


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CS>Re: CS/OT list - 25 May

[Sandee George]

Hi There to all - you may be interested in reading this article -
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6186193.html?tag=nl.e540
Sandee
Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset


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Re: CS>Sore throat

[Dee]

This is good news Ruth, and you're very welcome.  Regards Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: ruth strackbein
Date: 25/05/2007 01:13:08
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Sore throat
 
Dee and Sol, Have been to see the surgeon today.  He thinks we need to
investigate further about other things that may be playing into this
situation before opting for surgery.  See message to Kirsten.  Thanks for
your concern and input. ruth
 
From Ruth Strackbein
 
 
>

CS>1 ppm, How big it is ( or How big is it )

[CWFugitt]

Most people that have never worked with small quantities have never seen 1 
ppm of anything.   They can only guess at the actual quantity that 1 ppm 
represents.


With some materials, you will never see 1 ppm or even 5 or 10.
Others you can see,  vividly.

That is what I want to show you, how to make 1 ppm, or maybe 3, and 
actually see it.


This has little to do with the units discussion or with CS, but it will 
show you how small 1 ppm or 3 ppm actually is.


Recap of units and the ratio of mg to grains


1 pound =  453.5924  grams = 453 592.37 milligrams

1 pound = 7 000 grains

1 grain = 64.7989  mg   ( usually considered and used as 65 )

The grain is the unit we will be using. or rather the .1 grain

.1 grain = 6.4708  mg   ( usually used as 6.5 mg per .1 grain )

Typically, half this amount,  1/2 of .1 grain =  .05 grain
( is the smallest resolution the eye can manage )
.05 grain is equal to 3.25 mg or  3.25 ppm weight.

This is only true when using the one liter standard.
1 ppm of a 500 gallon tank is different, as are other volumes and weights.
The lead mass can only be compared to the  1 ppm in the one liter volume.

Easy Experiment

Use a small piece of paper.  Approx 1.5 inches by 2.0 inches
With a good grain scale, this can be weighed.  It could be also be 
weighed  with a mg scale but few have those other than labs.


Now.  Write you name on the paper using a common lead pencil.
A # 2  wooden pencil would be best.  Point should be medium sharp,  not 
dull or not really sharp as just out of a good quality pencil sharpener.
Of course you can use a mechanical pencil with small lead or a carpenter 
pencil, but the value of the weight will be different.


You can now weigh the amount of lead that is required to write your name.
If it is a double or triple name,  you might have 1 ppm of lead  ( or 
equivalent weight ) in one part of your name. In 3 names, maybe 3 to 4 ppm 
of weight.


If you have a long complex name, the total lead may be as high as 4 or 5 mg.

Again, the lead hardness and width can effect this. This is about as close 
as you can get to see 1 ppm, 3 ppm or maybe 5 ppm.


After doing it a few times, you would become more skilled at weighing your 
name.   Good balance or beam scales can do this.   A digital grain or mg 
scale should do even better, but only if it is good quality and high dollar.
The cheap ones are worthless for this and most other tasks that require 
small measurements under 20 to 50 mg.


I have done this a number of times over the years.   The result can be 
relatively consistent.


Eliminate any air movement,  fans, air conditioners, ect.  They can move 
and disturb the beam dampening.


For comparison, the grain is about 65 times larger than the mg.

You might have fun weighing fleas, ticks, house flies,  and chiggers.
If you find out how many ppm they are, please tell me.

Wayne

Re: CS>Krishna

[Clayton Family]

On May 25, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

..and by then, who cares what color you are?
 A 300 year old blue person?  No big deal, Mr Krishna...just keep on 
dancing with Shiva, he don't care what color you are.
[Krishna is often depicted in art works as being blue skinned.  I 
don't know why.]


Ode


Well, I think according to the tradition, there were many colors of 
people created, and blue was one. Not shades of brown, mind you, but 
think rainbow colors, maybe pastel versions.


From Wikipedia:

The Brahma Samhita describes Krishna's complexion as being "tinged with 
the hue of blue clouds",[2] and he is often depicted in paintings with 
blue or dark-blue skin.



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Re: CS>distilled water (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Leslie]

I was thinking about getting a water distiller, so wondering if you are 
saying this is not a good thing?? I have to get some kind of a water filter, 
as our water is contaminated. I am buying now.


Thanks,

Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: CS>distilled water (UNCLASSIFIED)





  Any sheet of plastic works and the water evaporates with sun 
powerdoesn't boil, doesn't need to.
In fact, boiling the water in a regular distiller is a good way to foul 
the condenser.


Ode


At 10:59 PM 5/24/2007 +0200, you wrote:


Medwith, Robert wrote on 5/24/2007, 5:35 PM:  [snipped]

> Easiest Solar unit is a plastic sheet over a hole in the ground, with a
rock to hold down center.
> A glass or jar under plastic sheet in center.

That's interesting, Bob.  For the plastic sheet, do you mean something 
similar to the thickness of a tarp?

How long does it usually take for the water to boil?

Thanks.  Jodi
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RE: CS>distilled water (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Ode Coyote]

  Any sheet of plastic works and the water evaporates with sun 
powerdoesn't boil, doesn't need to.
In fact, boiling the water in a regular distiller is a good way to foul the 
condenser.


Ode


At 10:59 PM 5/24/2007 +0200, you wrote:


Medwith, Robert wrote on 5/24/2007, 5:35 PM:  [snipped]

> Easiest Solar unit is a plastic sheet over a hole in the ground, with a 
rock to hold down center.

> A glass or jar under plastic sheet in center.

That's interesting, Bob.  For the plastic sheet, do you mean something 
similar to the thickness of a tarp?

How long does it usually take for the water to boil?

Thanks.  Jodi
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Re: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Ode Coyote]

  ##  That might be 3.8 grams of silver "retained" over any given period 
of time in an average body weight.
 Normal people eliminate silver at around 98% in 48 hours, so, figure how 
long one would have to drink as much water that doesn't kill them in order 
to retain that much silver at a given PPM.
 If the system ISN'T normal, the critical PPM and time span would be much 
lower [depending on how not normal ], but probably still not possible at 20 
PPM and under without getting really really really old.


..and by then, who cares what color you are?
 A 300 year old blue person?  No big deal, Mr Krishna...just keep on 
dancing with Shiva, he don't care what color you are.
[Krishna is often depicted in art works as being blue skinned.  I don't 
know why.]


Ode


At 07:46 PM 5/24/2007 -0500, you wrote:


Thanks for the input.  So is the following summary accurate?

For Pure water (DH2O)1ml (cc) of  DH20 = 1g of mass

ppm = parts per million usually stated as unit mass/unit mass

Since pure water is 1g:1ml we can state CS/EIS as a concentration of 
mass/unit volume


For 10 ppm CS/EIS 1ml DH2O has 1 ug of Silver in it or 10mg 
silver per liter.


For 20 ppm CS/EIS 1ml DH2O has 2 ug of Silver in it or 20mg 
silver per liter.


There are 1000ug in a mg and 1000mg in a gram

Therefore, if it estimated that it would take 3800mg of silver/day to 
cause argyria you would have to drink:


380,000 ml or 12,667 ounces or 99 gallons of 10ppm CS/EIS to risk it.  OR

190,000 ml or 6,334 ounces or 49.5 gallons of 20ppm CS/EIS to risk it.


On 5/23/07, Silver Smith <cag@gmail.com> wrote:
I was reading some info on Argyria and came across the following 
statement, "The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated 
to be 3.8 grams per day"


I have two questions about that statement.

1.  If you are drinking a 10ppm "concentration" of CS/EIS, how many 
ounces or milliliters (ml)  of the 10ppm CS/EIS would you have to drink 
to reach the 3.8 grams for a day.


2. How many days would you need to drink it to "get it" (argyria)?

I need a bit of help fully understanding what we mean in terms of 
concentration when we use ppm as the "unit of concentration". I 
understand that ppm = parts per million.   I assume that 
would  be  "parts of silver" per some unit of volume (water)?  In the 
clinical lab we measure concentration of analytes in the blood in mg/dl 
or ug/dl..etc.  So would ppm be microgram (ug-1millionth of a gram) 
per some volume of water?  What would the volume of water be?


Thanks,

SS





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Re: CS>Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[Marshall Dudley]

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
In Japan, as I write, there's a big scandal about honey, both domestic 
and imported.  Some mfgrs. have been adding sweeteners to their "pure" 
honey had at last were found out.Lots of "pure honey" on sale at 
half price in the groceries these days!


I am not sure how the scam was exposed.



Turns out that telling if sugar has been added to honey is pretty 
simple.  Sugar molecules have handedness, and will rotate light by a 
certain amount right or left depending on the sugar and the handedness 
of the molecule.  If I remember right the handedness of pure honey is 
one direction, unless made from sucrose, in which it is then the other 
direction.  So a simple test with polarized light can determine if it 
has been adulterated this way, and if so, how much.


Marshall


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CS>nebulizing with CS

[Wendy]

Some of you may have seen this before, but as I was researching
nebulizing with CS I thought you would ifnd it interesting

Wendy
canada

http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/lung-infection-oxygen-neb
ulizer.html

Note: This testimonial is reported by the
trustee of the silvermedicine.org website. This experiment was conducted
lawfully by a co-researcher conducting personal scientific research. The
information provided below documents a test experiment that requires a
good deal of knowledge, experience, and quick access to qualified
medical personnel.


Lung Infection: No Immune System Response
From: Jason R. Eaton
Date: 02/01/01
Contact: Email 


Greetings!

Monday morning, I had a shocking thing happen. While sitting in the
middle of an algebra lecture ( yes, at 30 years old I'm actually back in
school ) I experienced a severe pain behind my lower ribcage. For the
next several hours the pain increased, and as the pain increased, my
capacity for breathing diminished. In the middle of my database class
later that evening, I had to get up and leave. I could not actually make
it out to the parked car walking ( where my partner was waiting, I 
had phoned her ). I crawled the rest of the way to the car.

My partner began to insist that she take me to the hospital ( after all
we've been through, you'd think... ). I literally could not breath.
Between half breaths I told her that it seemed my lower lobes were
filling up with either fluid or mucus, and that if I was admitted to the
hospital, they would most likely insert chest tubes and quite possibly
put me on a vent. I told her not only would I be at increased risk for
everything else in that hospital, but that the treatment would cause at
least three further problems to deal with. I told her absolutely not. I
told her dying this way wasn't the worst way to go.

Upon arriving home, I discovered to my shock that I was not running a
temperature. THAT scared me. However, I was recovering from my initial
subconscious reaction of fear, and began to design my own treatment
protocol. I ingested six ounces of colloidal silver. However, I was not
near confident that this would be effective, due to the fact that I
believe the CS must be able to reach the site of the infection.

I ingested two home-made herbal blends with zero effect. I ingested 1000
mg of vitamin C and began taking doses of zinc.

My breathing capacity was at a level I'd never experienced before. My
lung span was reduced by more than 3/4. I had no coughing reaction
whatsoever, no reduction in appetite and no temperature.

My oxygen bottle, which I use for my CS nebulizer, was empty. I waited
until Tuesday afternoon whereby I gathered enough strength to drive to
the local welding supply store. Through fear, I almost started clay pack
treatments, but I'd been looking forward to trying out the nebulizer on
an actual illness.

Lifting the empty oxygen bottle was like trying to lift about 50 pounds.
I had to stop several times to catch my breath in and out of the shop.
If I stayed perfectly still for long enough, I could 
catch my breath and feel relatively good. Any movement weakened my body
incredibly. I could speak maybe one sentance at a time before having to
stop and just breath. Walking and talking was out of the question.

Tuesday night, I used the nebulizer for the first time, and incorrectly
( I figured this out the next day ). It is quite different using this
nebulizer on healthy lungs compared to hurting lungs.

Nothing I had done even touched my condition. My temperature remained
normal. At this point, I was convinced that I had either a very severe
case of bronchitis or bronchial pnemonia. I know QUITE a few tricks on
triggering the body into action, including herbal baths, steam baths,
ect. Nothing was making any difference to my core condition.

Wednesday early afternoon, I figured out that I must get the atomized
particles to the lung tissues that were in trouble. This, I assure you,
was quite painful. I used the nebulizer, breath after breath, for about
three minutes.

The effect was almost instantaneous and very dramatic. At the time, I
wasn't quite what you'd call "coherent" so my sense of time might have
been a bit off. At any rate, within moments, the mucus in my lungs began
to break up. I won't describe the coughing fits that followed. They
lasted for about eight minutes ( a guess ). 

When I was done, I was left shaking, drenched with sweat, purple faced,
and burning up.

I didn't have the strength to do another treatment that night. The
following morning ( was that this morning? wow ), upon "waking up" ( a
very slow process in my current condition ) I repeated the treatment.
This time, I "nebulized" for about three minutes. About six minutes
later, I began once again with the "collodial silver induced" coughing,
although this time, it was not severe.

I have regained my lung capacity and about half of my strength. I've
continued the treatment all today, every 1 to 2 hours

RE: CS>Fw: Byron Richards To Be on Jonathan Emord's Radio Show Saturday 2 PM Pacific Time re Dire Need to Amend S.1082/HR1561

[Dan Nave]

 Wouldn't this amendment also prevent anyone from looking into things
like GM foods too?

The problem with things like this is there is a 6 page rant but very
little in the way of sober information 
and analysis about the facts of the regulations and their possible
effects.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Paula Perry [mailto:p...@zoomnet.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Fw: Byron Richards To Be on Jonathan Emord's Radio Show
Saturday 2 PM Pacific Time re Dire Need to Amend S.1082/HR1561


- Original Message -
From: IAHF.COM
To: p...@zoomnet.net
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Byron Richards To Be on Jonathan Emord's Radio Show Saturday 2
PM Pacific Time re Dire Need to Amend S.1082/HR1561



 Attorney Jonathan Emord.John Hammell With Byron Richards DC
Book
Expo
IAHF List: Please leave a note to yourself to go to
http://www.talkstarradio.com/hosts/emordpage.htm on Saturday at 2 PM
Pacific
time to tune in Attorney Jonathan Emord's radio show.
His guest will be Byron Richards, Certified Clinical Nutritionist,
author of
Fight For Your Health- Exposing FDA's Betrayal of America and a regular
columnist on News With Views on Health Freedom issues. If you haven't
already read Richard's alerts about S.1082/HR 1561- see his most recent
one
here: http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron31.htm
Emord has done more to defend your access to dietary supplements than
any
attorney in the world and you can trust him when he tells you we MUST
amend
S.1082/HR 1561 or health freedom will be totally destroyed. You can see
transcripts of his legal victories over the FDA on his website at
http://www.emord.com
They'll be discussing The FDA Prescription Drug User Fee Act of 2007
(S.1082/HR 1561) with specific emphasis on how this "must pass"
legislation
WILL TORPEDO DSHEA (Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act), unless
we
can get an AMENDMENT into it to specifically protect dietary
supplements.
NSF ONCE AGAIN ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK HEALTH FREEDOM MOVEMENT WITH DISINFO
RE
CAM GUIDANCE DOC
With the so called "Natural Solutions Foundation" once again attempting
to
DISTRACT the grass roots by misdirecting people to write to the
unelected
bureaucrats at FDA about the CAM Guidance Document, its VERY IMPORTANT
that
all of you actively REACH OUT to more people to urge them to tune in
this
all important radio show so that they can truly UNDERSTAND whats going
on,
and what to do about it!! Especially urge health food stores to tune in,
and
to play it loud enough for customers in their stores to hear the
broadcast!
See specific instructions below on what to do, and get them into every
health food store in your area!
NSF is a controlled opposition group operating inside the health freedom
movement. IAHF and Allied groups won't give them the time of day because
they're actively misleading the public by misdirecting people into dead
ends. Once again: we have ZERO LEVERAGE over the unelected bureaucrats
at
the FDA. You can send them comments til you're blue in the face and
they'll
just IGNORE them all, but FDA cannot make law, only Congress can!
People who waste their time sending comments to FDA about the CAM
Guidance
Document are playing right into FDA's hands, because when they do that
and
FAIL to put ALL their energy into DEFENDING DSHEA by working to get an
amendment into S.1082/HR 1561 to specifically protect dietary
supplements,
they create the situation where FDA can attack us the way they say they
WANT
TO in the CAM Guidance Document.
Hopefully this painfully obvious truth will sink into enough people's
brains
that more of you can help IAHF and Allied Groups to COUNTER NSF's
Disinformation Campaign which is intended to DESTROY health freedom.
Never
forward an enemies campaign. If you know anyone who is receiving NSF's
so
called "alerts", do us a favor and urge that person to unsubscribe and
to
stop forwarding garbage which undermines our movement. So the FDA has
extended their "Comments Period" on CAM Guidance Document? My response:
"So
WHAT???" Its IRRELEVANT! THE REAL ISSUE IS TO DEFEND DSHEA BY GETTING AN
AMENDMENT INTO S.1082/HR 1561
Keep in mind here that this bill MUST PASS congress before August recess
or
else the Prescription Drug User Fee Act will expire and they're not
going to
let that happen, so we MUST get our amendment in, and as the summer
wears
on, it gets HARDER and HARDER to rally the grass roots! Thats why NSF's
so
called "alert" is so reprehensible, and all of us must work together to
overcome their efforts to destroy health freedom.
WHAT YOU MUST DO:
1. Read this alert http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron31.htm
2. At the end of it you'll find this form letter, please send it in to
your
Senators and Congressman: (hypertext links shown below don't work, go to
the
News With Views article to read them)
Changes in Proposed Bills
Proposed amendment to S 1082 and HR 1561:
The bills are hereby amended to prohibit the Foundation 

RE: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Dan Nave]

 Many units in the English system have practical (useful) units, that
are mostly divisible by two.
Important when you don't have a calculator.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Concentration?ppm?

Dan Nave wrote:
> Which is colder, -40 degrees C, or -40 degrees F?
>   
They are equal, that is the crossover temperature of the two scales. 
Now, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold. How
about a pound of feathers and a pound of gold. No wonder I like the
metric system better.

Marshall
> Water is a special case.
>
> Dan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:34 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Concentration?ppm?
>
> Evening Marshall,
>
>  >>At 10:07 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote:
>
>   
>> It is numerically correct.  Actually it is mg/kg, but since a 
>> kilogram of water is a liter, then the equation holds.
>> 
>
> Thanks for explaining all this.
>
>   
>> Of course you can for water. The DEFINITION of a liter is 1000 grams 
>> of
>> 
>
>   
>> water.  Thus from the definition there are 1,000,000 micrograms in a
>> 
> liter.
>
>   So, ... a Liter is a unit of weight?  I thought it was a unit of

> volume?  Both I guess.
>
>   
>> That is correct, ppm for something is weight/weight, IE for water it
>> is1 mg/kg of water which equals 1 mg/liter of water.
>> 
>
>Ok maybe I should accept this. I am used to working with 
> weights that have a specific value, always, every day.
>
> I suppose this water standard means  relatively pure water.
> Low, very low, EC.   I think some water, especially the mineral water
> in TX, CA, and Nevada would mess up the weight of one liter by some 
> small percent.
>
>   
>> It is for the English system. But in the metric system when dealing 
>> with water, volume and weight are interchangeable at STP provided you

>> know the equalities.
>> 
>
>I understand that water should have a standard.
> I don't have any of the mineral water to weigh.
>
> Oh well... I hope to explain a few things that may be of value to 
> the ones that don't normally work with small units in my next message.
>
> As always, . correct me when I am wrong.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Wayne
>
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RE: CS>Units and Unit Conversion

[Dan Nave]

Greetings Wayne,

acre = (210 ft x 210 ft)   does not appear to be correct.
(210 x 210 = 44100)

The rest appear to be correct if: 
1 chain = 66 feet.
1 acre = 10 sq chains
1 acre = 660 x 66 = 43560 sq ft

Dan

-Original Message-
From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Units and Unit Conversion

Many units exist, some of which most of us have never used or heard
about.

Some are historical and go back hundreds of years, maybe thousands of
years.

I found this file 15 or more years ago. I have added a few things and
formatted it in blocks, and alphabetical order.

If you have only  a slight interest in Units, I urge you to add this
file 
to your collection.   If you have no interest in units, you still need
to 
scan it to see these units.  ( A bit of History at your fingertips )

http://www.fugitt.com/files/convert.txt

While this is not a  scientific file, most of the units are correct.
And most are converted to units you will recognize in the second
columns.

Minor errors exist, but I did not make them.
As I scanned the list this AM, I noticed the dimensions of the ACRE are
wrong, as are 100% of the definitions when referencing a square acre.

I think there are close to 500 units in the file. It is ASCII TXT.
After I put it on the website, my browser loaded it in word pad.

It looks much better in a Plain Jane ASCII editor like Qedit with
yellow text on black background.   Make it any color you like but try
not 
to make it proportional spacing as that will misalign the columns You
could read it into a database or spreadsheet, then format it nicely if
desired.

Tell me you knew all those units and I will buy your lunch.

Wayne

A classical file of Units and Units Conversion
http://www.fugitt.com/files/convert.txt
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[Judith McGeary]

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Re: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Carlos P�rez]

Absolutely right!

Thanks for the correction.

Carlos



From: Heidrun Beer 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Concentration?ppm?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:46:37 +0200

On Fri, 25 May 2007 08:39:27 -0400, Carlos Pérez wrote in
:

>A liter is one cubic decimeter of anything. One cubic decimeter of water 
is

>equal to one deciliter of water, and  contains 1000 ml of water.
>One mililiter of DISTILLED water weights one milligram.
>A liter is a unit of volume.


Slight correction: One cubic decimeter of water is
equal to one liter of water. One deciliter would be
1/10 of a liter or 100 ml.





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[Heidrun Beer]

On Fri, 25 May 2007 08:39:27 -0400, Carlos Pérez wrote in
:

>A liter is one cubic decimeter of anything. One cubic decimeter of water is 
>equal to one deciliter of water, and  contains 1000 ml of water.
>One mililiter of DISTILLED water weights one milligram.
>A liter is a unit of volume.


Slight correction: One cubic decimeter of water is
equal to one liter of water. One deciliter would be
1/10 of a liter or 100 ml.





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RE: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Carlos P�rez]

A liter is one cubic decimeter of anything. One cubic decimeter of water is 
equal to one deciliter of water, and  contains 1000 ml of water.

One mililiter of DISTILLED water weights one milligram.
A liter is a unit of volume.


Carlos



From: Ode Coyote 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Concentration?ppm?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 06:53:40 -0400


 At 0 deg C or 32 Deg F water isn't water any more.
Ode


At 12:52 PM 5/24/2007 -0500, you wrote:


Which is colder, -40 degrees C, or -40 degrees F?

Water is a special case.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Concentration?ppm?

Evening Marshall,

 >>At 10:07 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote:

>It is numerically correct.  Actually it is mg/kg, but since a kilogram
>of water is a liter, then the equation holds.

Thanks for explaining all this.

>Of course you can for water. The DEFINITION of a liter is 1000 grams of

>water.  Thus from the definition there are 1,000,000 micrograms in a
liter.

  So, ... a Liter is a unit of weight?  I thought it was a unit of
volume?  Both I guess.

>That is correct, ppm for something is weight/weight, IE for water it
>is1 mg/kg of water which equals 1 mg/liter of water.

   Ok maybe I should accept this. I am used to working with
weights that have a specific value, always, every day.

I suppose this water standard means  relatively pure water.
Low, very low, EC.   I think some water, especially the mineral water
in TX, CA, and Nevada would mess up the weight of one liter by some
small percent.

>It is for the English system. But in the metric system when dealing
>with water, volume and weight are interchangeable at STP provided you
>know the equalities.

   I understand that water should have a standard.
I don't have any of the mineral water to weigh.

Oh well... I hope to explain a few things that may be of value to
the ones that don't normally work with small units in my next message.

As always, . correct me when I am wrong.

Thanks again,

Wayne


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RE: CS>Concentration?....ppm?

[Ode Coyote]

 At 0 deg C or 32 Deg F water isn't water any more.
Ode


At 12:52 PM 5/24/2007 -0500, you wrote:


Which is colder, -40 degrees C, or -40 degrees F?

Water is a special case.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Concentration?ppm?

Evening Marshall,

 >>At 10:07 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote:

>It is numerically correct.  Actually it is mg/kg, but since a kilogram
>of water is a liter, then the equation holds.

Thanks for explaining all this.

>Of course you can for water. The DEFINITION of a liter is 1000 grams of

>water.  Thus from the definition there are 1,000,000 micrograms in a
liter.

  So, ... a Liter is a unit of weight?  I thought it was a unit of
volume?  Both I guess.

>That is correct, ppm for something is weight/weight, IE for water it
>is1 mg/kg of water which equals 1 mg/liter of water.

   Ok maybe I should accept this. I am used to working with
weights that have a specific value, always, every day.

I suppose this water standard means  relatively pure water.
Low, very low, EC.   I think some water, especially the mineral water
in TX, CA, and Nevada would mess up the weight of one liter by some
small percent.

>It is for the English system. But in the metric system when dealing
>with water, volume and weight are interchangeable at STP provided you
>know the equalities.

   I understand that water should have a standard.
I don't have any of the mineral water to weigh.

Oh well... I hope to explain a few things that may be of value to
the ones that don't normally work with small units in my next message.

As always, . correct me when I am wrong.

Thanks again,

Wayne


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CS>Re: Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[Charles Marcus]

Seeing only this title gave me a chill: Raw Honey???
 
No such thing as Raw Honey exists.


Sure it does - just like raw milk vs. non-raw.

Most processors heat their honey to 140+ degrees. This honey is not raw.

Honey that is *not* heated beyond normal temperature ranges for the area 
in which it is produced *is* *raw*.



Honey is Honey,


Only true in the very limited, strict sense that honey that is cut with 
water/corn syrup is not truly 'honey' anymore. But this is very 
misleading, when the average person believes that 'Sue-Bee' honey they 
buy at Publix is 'honey'.



and it is to be used straight from the bee,


Yes, this is the desired form to use - but most honey sold today does 
not fit into this category.


When we extracted honey from our bees (we used to have some 4 to 6 
beehives, each good for some 40.000 of our little friends in 
prosperous times of rain and flowers) we would not even allow a drop 
of water to mix with our product -the honey-; in that case the broth 
would be considered of unworthey quality, which it is.


Then you are to be commended... but your comments above ignore the 
reality that is the world today...


So let us not talk of   p u r e   honey or   r a w   honey, it sounds 
a bit ignorant.


Actually, your comments are what sound ignorant (no offense - I agree in 
a purely philosophical sense with everything you have said).



"processed" honey does not have the right to be called honey
anymore.


Again, while technically true, this statement ignores reality.

Charles


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CS>Re: Catfish Fins, How Bad can they be ?

[Charles Marcus]

Hi Wayne - Is he taking mega doses of vitC - like 10K 3X/day until he 
gets the runs, then back off a bit.


It is much better to take less, more often...

Say 1-2 Grams every hour, all day long... but obviously, this isn't 
nearly as convenient or easy.


Taking larger amounts won't hurt anything, but according to some, a lot 
of it will be wasted (ie, just because you don't experience the runs 
doesn't mean your body is absorbing/utilizing all of it)...



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CS>Re: Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[Charles Marcus]

Just thirty minutes south of us on route 7 in the little town of 
Ferrisburg, Vt, is a relatively unknown treasure known as the Honey 
Gardens (www.honeygardens.com).
 
To these people, making raw honey and honey related products is not 
just a business, it is a way of life.They have worked tirelessly to 
apply organic methods to bee keeping, and the results are the best 
tasting raw honey we have ever tasted, and a number of wonderful 
honey related products.  Look around their website, it is full of 
great honey information.


Very cool! Thanks for the link...


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CS>Fw: Byron Richards To Be on Jonathan Emord's Radio Show Saturday 2 PM Pacific Time re Dire Need to Amend S.1082/HR1561

[Paula Perry]

- Original Message - 
From: IAHF.COM
To: p...@zoomnet.net
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Byron Richards To Be on Jonathan Emord's Radio Show Saturday 2 PM
Pacific Time re Dire Need to Amend S.1082/HR1561



 Attorney Jonathan Emord.John Hammell With Byron Richards DC Book
Expo
IAHF List: Please leave a note to yourself to go to
http://www.talkstarradio.com/hosts/emordpage.htm on Saturday at 2 PM Pacific
time to tune in Attorney Jonathan Emord's radio show.
His guest will be Byron Richards, Certified Clinical Nutritionist, author of
Fight For Your Health- Exposing FDA's Betrayal of America and a regular
columnist on News With Views on Health Freedom issues. If you haven't
already read Richard's alerts about S.1082/HR 1561- see his most recent one
here: http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron31.htm
Emord has done more to defend your access to dietary supplements than any
attorney in the world and you can trust him when he tells you we MUST amend
S.1082/HR 1561 or health freedom will be totally destroyed. You can see
transcripts of his legal victories over the FDA on his website at
http://www.emord.com
They'll be discussing The FDA Prescription Drug User Fee Act of 2007
(S.1082/HR 1561) with specific emphasis on how this "must pass" legislation
WILL TORPEDO DSHEA (Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act), unless we
can get an AMENDMENT into it to specifically protect dietary supplements.
NSF ONCE AGAIN ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK HEALTH FREEDOM MOVEMENT WITH DISINFO RE
CAM GUIDANCE DOC
With the so called "Natural Solutions Foundation" once again attempting to
DISTRACT the grass roots by misdirecting people to write to the unelected
bureaucrats at FDA about the CAM Guidance Document, its VERY IMPORTANT that
all of you actively REACH OUT to more people to urge them to tune in this
all important radio show so that they can truly UNDERSTAND whats going on,
and what to do about it!! Especially urge health food stores to tune in, and
to play it loud enough for customers in their stores to hear the broadcast!
See specific instructions below on what to do, and get them into every
health food store in your area!
NSF is a controlled opposition group operating inside the health freedom
movement. IAHF and Allied groups won't give them the time of day because
they're actively misleading the public by misdirecting people into dead
ends. Once again: we have ZERO LEVERAGE over the unelected bureaucrats at
the FDA. You can send them comments til you're blue in the face and they'll
just IGNORE them all, but FDA cannot make law, only Congress can!
People who waste their time sending comments to FDA about the CAM Guidance
Document are playing right into FDA's hands, because when they do that and
FAIL to put ALL their energy into DEFENDING DSHEA by working to get an
amendment into S.1082/HR 1561 to specifically protect dietary supplements,
they create the situation where FDA can attack us the way they say they WANT
TO in the CAM Guidance Document.
Hopefully this painfully obvious truth will sink into enough people's brains
that more of you can help IAHF and Allied Groups to COUNTER NSF's
Disinformation Campaign which is intended to DESTROY health freedom. Never
forward an enemies campaign. If you know anyone who is receiving NSF's so
called "alerts", do us a favor and urge that person to unsubscribe and to
stop forwarding garbage which undermines our movement. So the FDA has
extended their "Comments Period" on CAM Guidance Document? My response: "So
WHAT???" Its IRRELEVANT! THE REAL ISSUE IS TO DEFEND DSHEA BY GETTING AN
AMENDMENT INTO S.1082/HR 1561
Keep in mind here that this bill MUST PASS congress before August recess or
else the Prescription Drug User Fee Act will expire and they're not going to
let that happen, so we MUST get our amendment in, and as the summer wears
on, it gets HARDER and HARDER to rally the grass roots! Thats why NSF's so
called "alert" is so reprehensible, and all of us must work together to
overcome their efforts to destroy health freedom.
WHAT YOU MUST DO:
1. Read this alert http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron31.htm
2. At the end of it you'll find this form letter, please send it in to your
Senators and Congressman: (hypertext links shown below don't work, go to the
News With Views article to read them)
Changes in Proposed Bills
Proposed amendment to S 1082 and HR 1561:
The bills are hereby amended to prohibit the Foundation or Institute from
evaluating the health benefit or efficacy of foods, dietary ingredients, and
dietary supplements and to limit review of foods, dietary ingredients and
dietary supplements to a determination of whether they are safe. In
assessing whether dietary ingredients and dietary supplements are safe, the
Foundation or Institute shall not compare product risks with health benefits
or efficacy. Instead, the Foundation or Institute shall determine whether
the product presents a significant risk of illness or injury under
conditions of us

CS>Units and Unit Conversion

[CWFugitt]

Many units exist, some of which most of us have never used or heard about.

Some are historical and go back hundreds of years, maybe thousands of years.

I found this file 15 or more years ago. I have added a few things and 
formatted it in blocks, and alphabetical order.


If you have only  a slight interest in Units, I urge you to add this file 
to your collection.   If you have no interest in units, you still need to 
scan it to see these units.  ( A bit of History at your fingertips )


http://www.fugitt.com/files/convert.txt

While this is not a  scientific file, most of the units are correct.
And most are converted to units you will recognize in the second columns.

Minor errors exist, but I did not make them.
As I scanned the list this AM, I noticed the dimensions of the
ACRE are wrong, as are 100% of the definitions when referencing
a square acre.

I think there are close to 500 units in the file. It is ASCII TXT.
After I put it on the website, my browser loaded it in word pad.

It looks much better in a Plain Jane ASCII editor like Qedit with
yellow text on black background.   Make it any color you like but try not 
to make it proportional spacing as that will misalign the columns
You could read it into a database or spreadsheet, then format it nicely if 
desired.


Tell me you knew all those units and I will buy your lunch.

Wayne

A classical file of Units and Units Conversion
http://www.fugitt.com/files/convert.txt
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Re: Re: CS>Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[noblemetals]

2000 years
> 
> From: "Kirsteen Wright" 
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu PM 03:58:12 EST
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Raw Honey have a heart!
> 
> How long will honey keep for?
> 
> Kirsteen
> 
> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
> 
> 

TJ
Conservative Libertarian American!!



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Re: CS>Knot

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I must be tired.  I meant to write  "from a few hundred THOUSAND cycles 
. . . " The company has been through three models by now.


As I wrote some time back,  they seem intent on staying in business and 
making continuous upgrades, a practice known in Japan as "kaizen."   
It's the mark of leading companies . . .






On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 08:55 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

R.e. magnetic pulsers:  SOTA instruments has greatly upgraded their 
unit's capacitor, from a few hundred cycles to over 30 million. 
 



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Re: CS>Raw Honey???? have a heart!

[Bonnie]

Yes, I love Tropical Traditions and their items and the lipbalms are on  Sale 
until Sunday, 10 for ten dollars as well as their raw  honey and raw organic 
flax seeds.  Best membership I ever bought in any company.  I also have their 
Chi machine and it keeps me going after I ride all day because of my job.

Bonnie
from New Hampshire


  - Original Message - 
  From: Pat 
  To: silver list 
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Raw Honey have a heart!


  I'll have to try their products.  So far by far the best lip balm sticks I've 
found are made by Tropical Tradtions...citrus or the plain which has a sort of 
honey flavor.  I tried Burt's Bees and absolutely hate it because of the 
flavor.  

 Pat





   (www.honeygardens.com).

  To these people, making raw honey and honey related products is not just a 
business, it is a way of life.They have worked tirelessly to apply organic 
methods to bee keeping, and the results are the best tasting raw honey we have 
ever tasted, and a number of wonderful honey related products.  Look around 
their website, it is full of great honey information.

  Their products are sold in many organic food stores so you may have 
encountered them.  If not, you can order them from the website.  We highly 
recommend the propolis salve and spray.  The salve makes the best lip balm 
ever, and the spray can be used for many purposes, including antiseptic.  We 
also use all the other products, including the actual raw honey.  If you order 
honey, I advise not ordering anything less than a five pound jar.  The honey 
seems to get harder when it crystallizes in the smaller jars and is just not as 
wonderful as it is in the five pounder or the larger sizes.  





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