Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 06.12.2009 um 10:47 schrieb Florian Lohoff:

> On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:13:14PM -0700, SteveC wrote:
>>> Richard Weait schrieb:
 I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task.  A task that
 we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't
 implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time)
 individual mappers.  I'm glad that the LWG looked after our shared
 concerns so ably, by consulting with lawyers, the Creative Commons,
 the Open Knowledge Foundation and the community at large over the few
 years of the license discussion to date.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry, but for the last two years I can't remember asking for a
>>> license change at all.
>> 
>> And there lays the point, we should all do what Ulf asks for.
> 
> So we should do the YOU or the OSMF asks us to do?
> 
> Ulf is not alone - I havent asked  ... And a lot of people did
> not do so too.
> 
> Even that i didnt ask for a license change - the new license is much to 
> complex
> for my mind - CC-BY-SA hasnt shown any real problems up to now so i see the
> whole discussion as an artificial problem. 

I'm not sure if the CC-BY-SA license is really simpler than ODbL. Just look at 
this website here http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/ and 
you'll see that the ODbL is as simple as CC-BY-SA. Plus it's now clear how to 
attribute correct and when your derived work also has to be ShareAlike and when 
not.

Personally I'm also a PD fan and the only thing I was missing from the LWG was 
a survey to see if the majority of the OSM contributors wants to keep the 
attribution and Share alike component in a new license or if they would want 
completely free data under PD or CC0.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Monitoring and coordination tools, Haiti

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 14.01.2010 um 19:15 schrieb Mikel Maron:

> - What tools are available to see in real time which areas have been mapped 
> recently?  Would it be possible to filter activity by type of features? 
> (itomapper doesn't seem to have updating data)
> - Any ideas on another tool that would allow people to "check out" an area 
> for a period of time? This would enforce anything in the API, but simply 
> easily notify other people of activity.

Not exactly what you're looking for, but maybe we could re-use some tools from 
here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Luftbilder_aus_Bayern#Erfolge
These were used to show how far an area was already mapped and if it still 
needs mapping...

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Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 14.01.2010 um 21:46 schrieb Karl Guggisberg:

> Perhaps the slippymap plugin could be tweaked to acces the haiti 
> imagery.

I got it to work this way, now waiting for Andy to fix the offset of the 
imagery because unfortunately the slippymap doesn't provide rectifying options 
like the WMS plugin.
We'll update the wiki with tutorials, tags to use etc. as soon as everything 
works.

Jonas

> I don't know it well but it seems that it loads tiles addressed 
> with (x,y)-coordinates, looks quite similar to what is availabe at 
> gravitystorm. And it uses a "level", i.e. the "zoom level", that is the 
> "z" in gravitiystorms URL? Then it could probably load tiles from  
> http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/imagery/haiti/z/x/y.png too.
> 
> -- Karl
> 
> Am 14.01.2010 21:25, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
>> Will there be a working wms server for JOSM ??
>> 
>> cetest
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>> [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Andy Allan
>> Verzonden: donderdag 14 januari 2010 20:20
>> Aan: Ian Dees
>> CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
>> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Andy Allan
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>>> 
 Mikel, I will start downloading/tiling this now.
 
 Andy, if you finish before I post anything let me know.
 
>>> The race is on :-) I'm downloading the tiff onto dev.osm.org, and have
>>> everything else waiting to go. Now if only the download was running
>>> quicker...
>>> 
>> Many thanks to Ian for helping me with this.
>> 
>> Imagery is available at
>> http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/imagery/haiti/z/x/y.png
>> 
>> Use this link in Potlatch:
>> http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/imagery/haiti/!/!/!.png
>> 
>> Note that the rectification is bleeding miles off on that geotiff.
>> I'll see if I can figure out a way to fix that, but for now press
>> space on potlatch and drag it in from the west. Zooms 19 and 20 are
>> being generated as I type.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Field Requirements from Haiti for spatial imagery-based work (processing & digitizing): NEED to map any spontaneous camps appearing in the imagery with size in area

[Jonas Krückel]

We also now have the permission to use DigitalGlobe imagery:
http://twitter.com/mikel/status/7764452473
"Just confirmed: DigitalGlobe imagery can be used for OSM tracing. Just need 
source tag, and a note in wiki. Thx DG!"

Who can make the imagery available for tracing in JOSM and Potlatch?
GeoEye imagery can already be used for tracing now: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#GeoEye

Jonas (John07)

Am 14.01.2010 um 02:27 schrieb Mikel Maron:

> Details are still emerging but apparently Digital Globe is making available 
> pre- and post- event imagery, tomorrow.  There are other sources in the 
> pipeline.
> I'm of course pushing to make sure that we have full rights to derive vectors 
> from these sources.
> 
> If this becomes available, then this is certainly the kind of thing we can 
> look for in the imagery.
>  
> -Mikel
> 
> == Mikel Maron ==
> http://mapkibera.org/
> +254 (0) 724899738
> mi...@osmfoundation.org
> 
> 
> From: nicolas chavent 
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Cc: CJ Hendrix 
> Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 6:18:32 PM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Field Requirements from Haiti for spatial imagery-based 
> work (processing & digitizing): NEED to map any spontaneous camps appearing 
> in the imagery with size in area
> 
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I am relaying a mapping requirement grounded in Haiti from GIS practitioners 
> mapping there at the United Nations Office of Coordination of Humanitarian 
> Affairs (UNOCHA):
> "NEED to map any spontaneous camps appearing in the imagery with size in area"
> 
> Best.
> N
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Chavent
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70
> Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com
> Skype: c_nicolas
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 14.01.2010 um 23:54 schrieb Erik Johansson:

>> Use this link in Potlatch:
>> http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/imagery/haiti/!/!/!.png
>> 
>> Note that the rectification is bleeding miles off on that geotiff.
> 
> Is it possible to link to a Potlatch with these tiles loaded by
> default? Would be wonderful to be able to post a link saying "Help us
> map here".
> 

Yes, see the wiki page: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#GeoEye

To trace in Potlatch, launch potlatch with this link: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=18.54954&lon=-72.3998&zoom=16&tileurl=http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/imagery/haiti/!/!/!.png

-> Note that the rectification is bleeding miles off on that geotiff. I'll see 
if I can figure out a way to fix that, but for now press & hold space on 
potlatch and drag it in from the west. 

The rectification problem should be solved soon, it is already in JOSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti EQ response: haiti field-based requirement for osm maps on gps + install instruction to humanitarian workers with low GIS/ GPS culture

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.01.2010 um 15:01 schrieb nicolas chavent:

> Hi
> 
> Below a field requirement form Haiti on gamrin gps maps which is half met
> 
> a garmin img file of roads and places with clear instructions for non-gis 
> users on how to load it to some common garmin units could be helpful.  We 
> should encourage humanitarians to load this before they arrive.  The GIS 
> staff in Haiti will not really be able to support loading this for people.

Overlaying the additional information with gpx files might be easier and faster 
than building a special maps style. In the osm wiki we have quite a lot of 
instructions on how to load the maps onto a garmin device. Problem is, that it 
differs based on the device and data used by the people.

Jonas (John07)

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[OSM-talk] Arbeitsmatrix für Haiti

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,
ich versuche seit gestern Abend den Autor von dem Tool http://osm.m0nty.de/ zu 
erreichen, das wäre perfekt, um die Arbeit in Haiti zu koordinieren. Weiß 
jemand, ob das Tool OpenSource ist und wo wir den Source Code bekommen können? 
Hat jemand eine andere E-Mail-Adresse von dem Autor als die vom Impressum?
Leute, die das Tool dann anpassen und bereitstellen, sind schon bereit.

Gruß
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.01.2010 um 23:06 schrieb nicolas chavent:

> 
> Hi there
> 
> Here's a set of humanitarian data models for consideration in the making of 
> the OSM tags for the Haiti Operation to make our data easily readable and 
> interoperable with other established thematic data sets of relevance and used 
> by the hum mapping community in the response to the Haiti EQ.
> 
> [...]
> 
> See attached in html the UNOSAT and ITHACA data models from their last 
> releases.
> 
> Damage Assessment Data model in support of OSM tagging
> 
> UNOSAT
> Data model from UNOSAT KML
> IDP Sites
> Bridges
> Obstacles
> Operational Status
> Closed
> Restricted
> ITHACA
> Data model from ITHACA shp
> Categories - Classes
> collapsed buildings
> damaged infrastructure
> landslide
> spontaneous camp

This data has been imported and I already got newer data. Help and suggestions 
for syncing and merging data in the future is needed.
More info on that: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Ithaca_Import

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Re: [OSM-talk] Arbeitsmatrix für Haiti

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.01.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:

> Jonas Krückel wrote:
>> Hi, ich versuche seit gestern Abend den Autor von dem Tool
>> http://osm.m0nty.de/ zu erreichen, das wäre perfekt, um die Arbeit in
>> Haiti zu koordinieren. Weiß jemand, ob das Tool OpenSource ist und wo
>> wir den Source Code bekommen können? Hat jemand eine andere
>> E-Mail-Adresse von dem Autor als die vom Impressum? Leute, die das
>> Tool dann anpassen und bereitstellen, sind schon bereit.
> 
> This list is English language only. There is a German language list at
> talk...@openstreetmap.org

Sorry, sent to osm-talk by accident. Unfortunately you can't undo sent :-)

Jonas

P.S: Your German is really good :-)
> 
> 
> Translation (pardon my rusty German) :
> 
> Hi, since yesterday evening I'm trying to contact the author of
> http://osm.m0nty.de/ which would be perfect to coordinate work in Haiti.
> Does anybody know if that tool is open source and where we can get the
> source code ? Does anyone have the author's e-mail address ? People who
> can customize the tool and then deploy it are standing ready.


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Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye pictures of the area e.g. around the airport?

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.01.2010 um 23:30 schrieb AssetBurned:

> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering why the satellite images are limited to that area. I mean the 
> city is bigger and I saw some markers for camps outside of the area we got as 
> sat images from GeoEye at the moment.
> So I was wondering why we are limited to that area?

We are not limited to that area. We have imagery from Digital Globe which has 
more coverages (but is sometimes slightly off) and we are currently working to 
get more GeoEye imagery up.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.01.2010 um 23:32 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:

> Jonas Krückel wrote:
>> Am 15.01.2010 um 23:06 schrieb nicolas chavent:
>>>* ITHACA
>>>  o Data model from ITHACA shp
>>>  o Categories - Classes
>>>+ collapsed buildings
>>>+ damaged infrastructure
>>>+ landslide
>>>+ spontaneous camp 
>> 
>> This data has been imported and I already got newer data. Help and
>> suggestions for syncing and merging data in the future is needed.
>> 
>> More info on
>> that: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Ithaca_Import
> 
> Talking about the ITHACA data set... I just took a look at the dedicated
> Haiti Tagstats and I just found that the import of "earthquake:damage"
> tags has been done with a value of "collapsed_buiding" that of course
> should be "collapsed_building" :
> 
> tag   value   usesnode
> earthquake:damage collapsed_buiding   1,496   1,495
> 
> But I don't know yet how to perform mass edits to correct such typo...
> Can anyone do that - and tell us how it is done ?

I think I've fixed it. Using http://www.petschge.de/osm/fixme_haiti/ and JOSM. 
No conflicts when uploading, 14xx objects changed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 16.01.2010 um 00:08 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:

> Jonas Krückel wrote:
>> Am 15.01.2010 um 23:32 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:
>> 
>>> Talking about the ITHACA data set... I just took a look at the
>>> dedicated Haiti Tagstats and I just found that the import of
>>> "earthquake:damage" tags has been done with a value of
>>> "collapsed_buiding" that of course should be "collapsed_building" :
>> 
>> I think I've fixed it. Using http://www.petschge.de/osm/fixme_haiti/
>> and JOSM. No conflicts when uploading, 14xx objects changed.
> 
> Now we have :
> 
> tag   value   uses
> earthquake:damage collapsed_building  1,499
> fixme:buildingcollapsed   1,492
> building  collapsed   787
> earthquake_damage collapsed   2
> 
> Time for harmonization ?
> 
> "earthquake_damage" should obviously be "earthquake:damage".
> 
> "fixme:building=collapsed" looks like it should be
> "earthquake:damage=collapsed_building" - but maybe there is a reason for
> "fixme" that I'm not aware of.
> 
> "earthquake:damage=collapsed_building" is the ITHACA way. Should we
> convert all the "building=collapsed" to it ? I would say yes, because
> "collapsed" is not a type of building but a building attribute - the
> ITHACA way is semantically superior.
> 
> If no one is depending on "fixme:building=collapsed" or
> "building=collapsed" then I'll convert them. Does the map rendering of
> collapsed buildings such as http://zvenzzon.mine.nu:81/map.html
> understand "earthquake:damage=collapsed_building" ? Considering the
> number of icons represented, it would appear so.

Please have a look at the information here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Ithaca_Import
Please do not change this tags right now. We are still not sure how to work on 
further updates of the data and Ithaca might also still need this tags.

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundaries in Haiti

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,

Am 16.01.2010 um 16:43 schrieb Frédéric Bonifas:

> Hi,
> 
> Based on the data here :
> https://www.geoint-online.net/community/haitiearthquake/default.aspx
> of the US Census Bureau, I extracted the city and town borders for
> Haiti.
> The tags I used are :
> 
> is_in="name of the district"
> name=*
> boundary=administrative
> admin_level=8
> source=US Census Bureau
> population=*
> id_commune="ID given in the source file"
> 
> The file is here : http://fredericbonifas.free.fr/haiti_boundaries.osm
> 
> Does it seem ok to you before uploading ?
> Is there an easy to remove these boundaries if we get better ones later ?

Please create a special import account for this. The data should be easily 
removable as long as the source tag is unique and is not deleted. I would 
suggest to use "source=US Census Bureau, boundary import, 16/01/2010"

Please also add information about the import to the Haiti wiki page.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Boundaries in Haiti

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 16.01.2010 um 20:06 schrieb Frederik Ramm:

> Hi,
> 
> Frédéric Bonifas wrote:
>> If there is a better method, then the only thing to do is to revert
>> the changeset 3632884 :
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3632884
> 
> This import does not meet normal OSM import quality standards and under 
> normal circumstances I would probably revert it until someone has the 
> time & diligence to do it properly. (The boundaries do not re-use the 
> existing coastline but instead duplicate it in a rough form; where tho 
> administrative areas meet, ways are not re-used either but duplicated.)
> 
> Usually, while we apply the rule "better crappy data than no data at 
> all" for anything surveyed by humans, we are more strict with imports, 
> and we ask people to either do it right or leave it for someone who can.
> 
> But of course this is an exceptional situation in that many people seem 
> to be using the map data *now* rather than some time later when we had 
> the time to polish it, so it was probably good to import the data, buggy 
> as it is.

I agree.
If you can provide a better import, why not just do it (may take some time of 
course) and revert the old import then?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,
Just a quick note about coordination. Unfortunately I don't have much time 
today to take care of this myself.

Everyone working on this, please make sure to coordinate the efforts and avoid 
duplicated work. If you have more detailed specifications from Jochen, please 
share them in the Wiki and here on OSM-Talk.
As soon as we have PDFs that matches Jochen's needs, please also update the 
Wiki and OSM-Talk.
I've added a task in the Wiki, you can add additional information there and 
also add your name, if you're working on it: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#tasks

Jonas


Am 17.01.2010 um 10:27 schrieb Gary68:

> so, do YOU or anyone else really need oo draw format. or was it just for
> conversion purposes?
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 01:16 -0800, Sam Vekemans wrote:
>> Oops, forgot to send this to the main list.
>> ~ and in OpenOffice Draw, a PDF can be easily made.
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Sam Vekemans 
>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:31 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF
>> To: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" 
>> 
>> Im at work (job) right now.
>> Can we make an OpenOffice draw template & add in a map key?
>> -showing what the mapnik icons show/represent.
>> Also,
>> Showing numbers as (tranparent jpg's) so they can be moved around on
>> the page and cross-referenced in a space on the 2nd page of the
>> maposmatic sheet.
>> 
>> If you dont understand, thats OK, i'll make it myself.
>> (after im done with the transparent contour map & mapsource installer)
>> 
>> Sam
>> 
>> On 1/17/10, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
>>  wrote:
>>> Maposmatic seems to do the job:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.maposmatic.org/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
>>> Namens nicolas chavent
>>> Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 2:01
>>> Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org; crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>>> CC: CJ Hendrix
>>> Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> Below a post on the topic getting Haiti OSM maps in PDF for direct use in
>>> the field and circulation in fora such as relief web. It has just been
>>> highlighted as a strong Haiti requirements from GIS responders working in
>>> Haiti
>>> "Top 1 Fied Requirement: ready to print maps ArchD size (24" x 36")"
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> N
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Mikel Maron 
>>> Date: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 1:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Haiti OSM map
>>> To: Jochen Plumeyer , nicolas chavent
>>> , Andrew Turner ,
>>> Jonas Krückel 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nicolas, Andrew, Jonas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can one of you pass along Jochen's request below ... nice PDFs and non-paved
>>> roads. One of the outputs we eventually want to have for HOT are nice PDFs
>>> for distribution through reliefweb, etc.
>>> Perhaps someone in the OSM or crisismapping community can pick up these
>>> threads
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Mikel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Jochen Plumeyer 
>>> To: Mikel Maron 
>>> Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 6:37:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Haiti OSM map
>>> 
>>>> Anything in particular we can do on the mapping side?
>>> 
>>> A super non-geek approved product would be a size-optimized PDF of the
>>> complete zone between border (including Jimaní and Pedernales) and the zone
>>> until Jacmel in the south, including all street names. I tried to produce
>>> that with osmarender, but it takes hours to calculate, seems it is not the
>>> right render tool.
>>> But the size ratio with osmarender is very good, with my tests with smaller
>>> *.osm files the ratio was about
>>> 
>>>PDF size = OSM size / 8
>>> 
>>> Which means, that you can use as well low-RAM smartphones, older webpads
>>> etc.
>>> to display that map, without the need of connectivity. And any other device
>>> which can display PDF.
>>> The OCHA site has 

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

[Jonas Krückel]

Can you maybe create several PDFs, upload them somewhere and link them on the 
Wikipage? This could save others the time that is needed to learn your great 
tool and create their own PDFs.

Jonas

Am 17.01.2010 um 13:38 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis:

> I wanted to point that MapOSMatic has huge improvements in their bag
> just five days ago (http://news.maposmatic.org/?p=83), just like:
> "* Support for the whole world. Any location in the world can now
> be rendered on maposmatic.org.
>* OpenStreetMap database updated daily. Until now, the database
> had never been updated since the service was started in September
> 2009. Now, the geographic database used to render the maps is updated
> daily, providing maps with the latest contributions to OpenStreetMap.
> Each map contains the date at which it was generated.
>* Better city search engine. Thanks to Nominatim, we now provide a
> search engine that allows to find cities in a much more usable way:
> cities with the same name can be distinguished and the search works
> even when the city name is not completely correct.
>* Support for other languages. A few parts of the map rendering
> process is language-dependent and we now have the infrastructure to
> use language-dependent code. For the moment, we support English,
> French and Italian, but we are waiting for your contributions to
> support other languages. The website has also been translated to
> German and Italian.
>* Amenities in the index. In addition to the streets, we have
> added important amenities to the index: schools, town hall, post
> offices, places of worship, etc.
> "
> 
> Sorry for spamming, but it seems that MapOSMatic can do the job. I
> tried to generate Port-au-Prince, it came out 3.1 PDF. You can select
> any area you want and let MapOSMatic to render it into PDF.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter.
> 
> 2010/1/17 Jonas Krückel :
>> Hi,
>> Just a quick note about coordination. Unfortunately I don't have much time 
>> today to take care of this myself.
>> 
>> Everyone working on this, please make sure to coordinate the efforts and 
>> avoid duplicated work. If you have more detailed specifications from Jochen, 
>> please share them in the Wiki and here on OSM-Talk.
>> As soon as we have PDFs that matches Jochen's needs, please also update the 
>> Wiki and OSM-Talk.
>> I've added a task in the Wiki, you can add additional information there and 
>> also add your name, if you're working on it: 
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#tasks
>> 
>> Jonas
>> 
>> 
>> Am 17.01.2010 um 10:27 schrieb Gary68:
>> 
>>> so, do YOU or anyone else really need oo draw format. or was it just for
>>> conversion purposes?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 01:16 -0800, Sam Vekemans wrote:
>>>> Oops, forgot to send this to the main list.
>>>> ~ and in OpenOffice Draw, a PDF can be easily made.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>>> From: Sam Vekemans 
>>>> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:31 -0800
>>>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF
>>>> To: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" 
>>>> 
>>>> Im at work (job) right now.
>>>> Can we make an OpenOffice draw template & add in a map key?
>>>> -showing what the mapnik icons show/represent.
>>>> Also,
>>>> Showing numbers as (tranparent jpg's) so they can be moved around on
>>>> the page and cross-referenced in a space on the 2nd page of the
>>>> maposmatic sheet.
>>>> 
>>>> If you dont understand, thats OK, i'll make it myself.
>>>> (after im done with the transparent contour map & mapsource installer)
>>>> 
>>>> Sam
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/10, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Maposmatic seems to do the job:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.maposmatic.org/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gert
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org 
>>>>> [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
>>>>> Namens nicolas chavent
>>>>> Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 2:01
>>>>> Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org; crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> CC: CJ Hendrix
>>>>> Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Haiti 

Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti Wiki Page Re-organizaiton; And Tasks and Ideas

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,

Am 18.01.2010 um 02:04 schrieb Mikel Maron:

> The Haiti wiki page was getting unwieldy I think, so I re-organized into 
> sub-pages with the hope that it's easier for someone to quickly find the 
> information they need ... whether they are a map user, developer, and editor.

I've added a navigation bar to the top, should make navigation between subpages 
easier. Task and Ideas moved to 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Tasks_and_Ideas
Especially the WMS links still need a clean up and some wiki internal links are 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?]

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,
I've collected the feedback here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Mapping_Coordination#What_needs_to_be_mapped.3F

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] new GeoEye & DG imagery

[Jonas Krückel]

More up to date imagery from GeoEye and DG. Please see the forwarded mails 
following.
Is someone already working on this for OSM?

Jonas

Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

> Von: "Michael Keaney" 
> Datum: 19. Januar 2010 00:42:44 MEZ
> An: 
> Betreff: RE: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> 
> DigitalGlobe collected most of the border today with WorldView02. Mostly 
> cloud Free.  We mapped nearly the entire country today with the 
> constellation. 74,795 km2 collected between WorldView01, WorldView02 and 
> Quickbird.  All of this data is being produced and pushed to the Crisis Event 
> Service.
> 
> Here are the links to browse imagery of the HA/DR border.
> 
> http://browse.digitalglobe.com/imagefinder/showBrowseMetadata?buffer=1.0&catalogId=1030010003259B00&imageHeight=natres&imageWidth=natres
> http://browse.digitalglobe.com/imagefinder/showBrowseMetadata?buffer=1.0&catalogId=1030010003974200&imageHeight=natres&imageWidth=natres
>   
> 
> It's our hope to collect additional imagery of the core area of Pap and the 
> main road from the Haitian border to the port city of Barahona, Dominican 
> Republic tomorrow. When/if available, it too will be produced and hosted on 
> CES.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:crisismapp...@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jennifer Leaning
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:17 PM
> To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
> 
> Areas in the DR near the border with Haiti, and from main airport into Haiti, 
> and other roads from DR into Port au Prince and other affected towns might be 
> useful.
> Jennifer
> 
>>>> 
> From: "Jonas Krückel (John07)"
> To:   
> Date: 1/18/2010 5:07 PM
> Subject:  [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
> 
> Hi,
> I asked before, but received only little feedback. PaP seems to be mapped 
> almost completely and we do want to focus on areas that need mapping now. But 
> we struggle to identify these. Please tell us what needs to be mapped, do you 
> mainly need streets or are POIs more important? Which areas are the most 
> important right now?
> 
> Any feedback is welcome and we also love to hear about people using our data 
> on the ground.
> 
> You can find ways to contact us here: 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Help_for_crisis_responders_.26_relief_organizations_with_OSM_data
> 
> Or simply answer to this email and I'll forward it to the right people.
> 
> Jonas
> 
> https://twitter.com/jokru
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti
> 
> 
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> Von: Chris 
> Datum: 19. Januar 2010 03:24:34 MEZ
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> Betreff: [CrisisMappers] DigitalGlobe ftp site
> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Thank you Digital Globe!!!
> 
> ftp.digitalglobe.com
> 
> QuickBird:
> 
> u: xferhaiti1
> p: ja99TrUT
> 
> 
> Worldview-1:
> 
> u: xferhaiti2
> p: 6hU9ruwu
> 
> Worldview-2
> 
> u: xferhaiti3
> p: thUKeMu3
> 
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> Von: Chris 
> Datum: 19. Januar 2010 01:20:48 MEZ
> An: CrisisMappers 
> Betreff: [CrisisMappers] Re: new GeoEye imagery
> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> 
> THANK YOU GEOEYE!!
> 
> And thanks to Steve Miller for getting this out
> 
> ftp://ftp2.geoeye.com
> user: "Haiti Collections"
> pw: "727150"
> 
> uname has a space in the middle...
> It's rate throttled, so might 

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] new GeoEye & DG imagery

[Jonas Krückel]

Update: Christopher Schmidt working on both to make them available.

Jonas

Am 19.01.2010 um 14:38 schrieb Jonas Krückel:

> More up to date imagery from GeoEye and DG. Please see the forwarded mails 
> following.
> Is someone already working on this for OSM?
> 
> Jonas
> 
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
> 
>> Von: "Michael Keaney" 
>> Datum: 19. Januar 2010 00:42:44 MEZ
>> An: 
>> Betreff: RE: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
>> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> DigitalGlobe collected most of the border today with WorldView02. Mostly 
>> cloud Free.  We mapped nearly the entire country today with the 
>> constellation. 74,795 km2 collected between WorldView01, WorldView02 and 
>> Quickbird.  All of this data is being produced and pushed to the Crisis 
>> Event Service.
>> 
>> Here are the links to browse imagery of the HA/DR border.
>> 
>> http://browse.digitalglobe.com/imagefinder/showBrowseMetadata?buffer=1.0&catalogId=1030010003259B00&imageHeight=natres&imageWidth=natres
>> http://browse.digitalglobe.com/imagefinder/showBrowseMetadata?buffer=1.0&catalogId=1030010003974200&imageHeight=natres&imageWidth=natres
>>   
>> 
>> It's our hope to collect additional imagery of the core area of Pap and the 
>> main road from the Haitian border to the port city of Barahona, Dominican 
>> Republic tomorrow. When/if available, it too will be produced and hosted on 
>> CES.
>> 
>> Mike 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:crisismapp...@googlegroups.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Jennifer Leaning
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:17 PM
>> To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
>> 
>> Areas in the DR near the border with Haiti, and from main airport into 
>> Haiti, and other roads from DR into Port au Prince and other affected towns 
>> might be useful.
>> Jennifer
>> 
>>>>> 
>> From:"Jonas Krückel (John07)"
>> To:  
>> Date:1/18/2010 5:07 PM
>> Subject: [CrisisMappers] OpenStreetMap: What needs mapping?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I asked before, but received only little feedback. PaP seems to be mapped 
>> almost completely and we do want to focus on areas that need mapping now. 
>> But we struggle to identify these. Please tell us what needs to be mapped, 
>> do you mainly need streets or are POIs more important? Which areas are the 
>> most important right now?
>> 
>> Any feedback is welcome and we also love to hear about people using our data 
>> on the ground.
>> 
>> You can find ways to contact us here: 
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Help_for_crisis_responders_.26_relief_organizations_with_OSM_data
>> 
>> Or simply answer to this email and I'll forward it to the right people.
>> 
>> Jonas
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/jokru
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
> 
>> Von: Chris 
>> Datum: 19. Januar 2010 03:24:34 MEZ
>> An: CrisisMappers 
>> Betreff: [CrisisMappers] DigitalGlobe ftp site
>> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Thank you Digital Globe!!!
>> 
>> ftp.digitalglobe.com
>> 
>> QuickBird:
>> 
>> u: xferhaiti1
>> p: ja99TrUT
>> 
>> 
>> Worldview-1:
>> 
>> u: xferhaiti2
>> p: 6hU9ruwu
>> 
>> Worldview-2
>

Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti, Requests from Responders

[Jonas Krückel]

This should probably be merged with 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/MappingCoordination#What_needs_to_be_mapped.3F
I prefer having this information in short at the top of the page, additional 
info can be at the bottom.
Jonas

Am 20.01.2010 um 11:33 schrieb Mikel Maron:

> 
> Many general mapping requests coming in from the field and other responding 
> agencies. 
> I've created a section on the wiki to collect these requests, and focus 
> efforts to fulfill them. Once completed, we notify the requester that OSM has 
> updated data.
> Yes, basically an ad-hoc ticketing system, working with the tools we have at 
> hand.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/MappingCoordination#Requests_from_Responders
> 
> It would be great for those of us on the CrisisMappers list particularly to 
> look for such requests, respond that we're working on it, add it to the wiki, 
> and mobilize mappers to work on the request.
> 
> Thanks
> Mikel
> 
> == Mikel Maron ==
> http://mapkibera.org/
> +254 (0) 724899738
> mi...@osmfoundation.org
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[OSM-talk] Haiti CrisisMapping News

[Jonas Krückel]

I just set this up: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/News

We have various sources for information about news for the OSM crisismappers. 
There is OSM-Talk, the crisismappers list, twitter, IRC and the various wiki 
pages. But it's getting increasingly difficult to follow this high traffic 
medias and stay up to date with the important information.

This wiki page will be used to list the important news like new WMS 
services/imagery available, new maps available or new map features need to be 
mapped. Please only list important news, describe them with a short note and 
link to the associated web pages.



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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] OSM / New Web Service Request

[Jonas Krückel]

FYI

Maybe this can be done with OpenLayers? Email address is below if you want to 
get in contact or subscribe to the crisismappers list.

Jonas

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> Von: "Talbot Brooks" 
> Datum: 21. Januar 2010 17:52:04 MEZ
> An: 
> Betreff: [CrisisMappers] OSM / New Web Service Request
> Antwort an: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Rather than putting up yet another GIS Server, I was wondering if anyone 
> would be interested in working with us to develop a click-through service 
> that would show the MGRS grid and allow a user to click on a given square and 
> retrieve one of our GeoPDF maps for printing?  I know Schyler and Nicolas are 
> working on an indexing service, so this would eventually allow a user to look 
> up a street name, match it’s location through the gazetteer, and then view 
> online location result and obtain printable, scaled product.  Make sense?
>  
> Talbot Brooks, Director
> Center for Interdisciplinary Geospatial Information Technologies
> Delta State University
> Box 3325
> Cleveland, MS 38733
>  
> USNG (NAD 83): 15SYT09823640
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> O: 662-846-4520
> C: 662-588-8649
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> tbro...@deltastate.edu
> http://gis.deltastate.edu
> http://mississippi.deltastate.edu
>  
> And occasionally
>  
> GIS, Operations
> MS Emergency Management Agency
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>  
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>  
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[OSM-talk] FOSSGIS 2010 summary

[Jonas Krückel]

Hi,

last week the FOSSGIS 2010, the first German OSM conference, was held in 
Osnabrück.
We've had talks and community sessions similar to other conferences like the 
SOTM and of course it was a great chance to meet a lot of people in real life 
the first time. If you're interested, I summarized every day from my 
perspective in a few blogposts, which can be found here:
http://jokru.posterous.com/tag/fossgis10
Tweets about the conference can be found here: 
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23fossgis10
And some information in the OSM-Wiki: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FOSSGIS_2010

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 30.04.2011 um 15:05 schrieb Simon Poole:

> Grant
> 
> While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web 
> Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I 
> believe Martin issue is with the rampant re-active instead of pro-active 
> information policy that infects all parts of OSM. Not that I don't understand 
> some of the reasons for this, but on the other hand it does, unnecessarily, 
> create a fair amount of animosity.

+1
I think it would have been more than appropriate to notify the community about 
such an important change.
A short email/blog post/forum post telling the community that
– the logo has been changed
– why the logo has been changed
– who made the decision and why they decided to go with this one
– and where to find the new logo as .png and .svg files so that they can update 
their own projects and websites
would have been enough and not much work for someone from Strategic to write.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 30.04.2011 um 15:55 schrieb Frederik Ramm:

> Hi,
> 
>   I don't have issues with the process (I wasn't involved in selecting the 
> old logo so I don't mind others caring for that). But I think that something 
> is technically wrong with the new logo; I think if you were looking at a 
> magnifying glass from the angle chosen here, the end of the handle would not 
> be visible like it is here. It's hard to pinpoint/describe this exactly for 
> someone who is as untalented in drawing things as I am, but I've tried to 
> sketch what I think would be  more "correct" version here:
> 
> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/osmlogo.png
> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/osm_logo_soft_freds_version.svg
> 
> This is not perfect either but maybe someone with more skill than myself 
> could have a look at the issue and make the new logo look "right".

I agree that the perspective of the handle doesn't seem right and you're 
version seems to be a lot better.
For me it looks like the glass is laying flat and the handle is sticking out a 
little bit in the original version. Your approach seems to be to make the 
handle also lie flat, another way would be to shift the glass to fit the 
current angle of the handle.

If anyone wants to compare the two different versions, here's the link for the 
original version.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/7/79/Public-images-osm_logo.svg

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Re: [OSM-talk] Navigon to Sell OpenStreetMap POIs Packages for PNDs

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 14.06.2011 um 14:29 schrieb davespod:

> http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Navigon-Add-22-Million-POIs-To-SatNav-Devices--1060.php
> 
> An interesting development. If I understand things correctly (and assuming
> CC-by-SA holds water for data), they can charge for these derived data sets,
> but they would still have to be CC-by-SA, and so anyone who bought one could
> then redistribute without charge. Does that sound right?

A note on this one for everyone not reading talk-de [1]:

Ulf Möller, who has been a member of the OSMF Board and is part of the LWG, had 
been given a test device by Navigon in order to check for correct attribution.
He was also asked by Navigon to distribute a text file [2] to the community 
which contains some basic information about how Navigon processes the data, 
links to download the packages for free (CC-BY-SA compliance AFAIK) and also 
instructions on how to install these files on a device.

> 
> P.S. If they have de-duplicated these, as they claim, perhaps it is worth
> getting our hands on as a resource for cleaning up the database...
> 

Well, it would be nice and we could certainly ask for it, but with CC-BY-SA 
only the end product falls under the license and not the processed data in 
between. Once we move on to ODbL however, this will change and we will get the 
much more interesting 'raw' data.

-- Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Navigon to Sell OpenStreetMap POIs Packages for PNDs

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 14.06.2011 um 15:43 schrieb andrzej zaborowski:

> Hi,
> 
> On 14 June 2011 15:29, Jonas Krückel  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 14.06.2011 um 14:29 schrieb davespod:
>> 
>> Well, it would be nice and we could certainly ask for it, but with CC-BY-SA
>> only the end product falls under the license and not the processed data in
>> between.
> 
> Are you sure?  If we manage to extract the processed data, it'll be
> derived from either the end product or OSM or both, so it needs to be
> CC-By-SA too and there's no way around it.

Yes, that's right. What I was trying to say is, that they only need to release 
the end product under CC-BY-SA and don't have to _provide_ any data sets from 
in between.

> 
>> Once we move on to ODbL however, this will change and we will get
>> the much more interesting 'raw' data.
> 
> Which we can't re-use in OSM however.

Maybe you should explain why not, because from my understanding this data would 
be in an OSM compatible license because of the share-a-like aspect of ODbL [1].

> 
> Someone on IRC mentioned that the situation would be clearer under
> ODbL, too, but I think this is a false positive.  Additionally with
> ODbL Navigon may take the position that they made a produced work.

Yes, their POI packages maybe produced work and could be proprietary, but they 
would still have to release the processed OSM data from in between, which as I 
stated above might be more interesting to us.

All that is only on how I understand the license and I'm not an expert on this. 
Also, I think it would be appropriate to continue this discussion on legal-talk.

-- Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

[Jonas Krückel]

FYI http://opengeodata.org/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap

-Jonas

Am 31.08.2010 um 23:26 schrieb Julio Costa Zambelli:

> Is it me or they just decided to erase the whole thing? (I am noticing
> the new tiles at the lower zoom levels)
> 
> 
> On 31 August 2010 16:51, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>> No.
>> 
>> On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ  wrote:
>>> Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
>>> Gremmen  wrote:
 
 So what ?
 
 
 Gert
 
 
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 Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org
 [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Julio Costa Zambelli
 Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2010 18:11
 Aan: OSM-talk
 Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data
 
 Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS
 selling campaign
 (http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-
 openstreetmap/)
 (The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the
 local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its map here
 in Chile and not giving any kind of attribution, is it the same
 anywhere else? Is it a known fact that they are using OSM Data and not
 giving any kind of credit to the community?
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

[Jonas Krückel]

FYI

Justin posted a note to clarify his intention behind the article and a few 
other points: http://www.41latitude.com/post/1313261274/osm-response

-Jonas

Am 14.10.2010 um 14:07 schrieb Milo van der Linden:

> Dear 41latitude,
> 
> I came accross your blog on "critique of OpenStreetMap". 
> http://www.41latitude.com/post/1310985699/openstreetmap-critique and read it 
> with interest. Some points are true, others need better explaination and I 
> think you misinterpreted some things.
> 
> Basically your critique can be drilled down to 3 main components:
> 
> [...]

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Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:

>> I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM. 
>> But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large 
>> >margin, that which would be required to attract people to the project. And 
>> still people whine about our "lack of vision"!
> 
> Nonsense Frederic, Justin makes a number of very valid points
> that make the impression on the average visitor, that show
> we are a unstructured community in some ways.
> 
> And no-one is whining, we are trying to make a better 
> OSM, and the mapnik map is in most of the cass the first
> impression the user gets.
> 
> We have voluntarily choosen to use the MAP(NIK) as 80% of our
> frontpage. There are no statements about that are just
> in for data quality.
> 
> That is the first (and too often) the last impression
> a visitor gets.

I'm not sure how much we have chosen to have a big map on the front page. It 
has been this way for years and hasn't change while the project itself has 
changed and involved in a lot of ways.

Why don't we display more info about our project on the front page but instead 
let the user more or less guess what we are about (by showing them a map and a 
search box that looks a little bit like yet another Google Maps clone and a 
small text description + a few links.)

Why don't we show them different map styles to choose from. We can force them 
to choose a map style and they will learn that OSM has more than one map (and 
maybe they also understand that OSM data can be used to produce different maps, 
but it's a start anyway). Or do you really think that this little plus over 
there is discovered by anyone visiting osm.org for the first time?

Why don't we show them upfront that we already have thousands of contributors 
mapping right now (think of something like those maps showing edits live) and 
make information about how this mapping is done available with just one click? 
Why don't we show them that OSM contributors meet up in local groups to have 
fun?

Why don't we show them the different ways OSM data can be used  - OSM data on 
mobile devices like smartphones and outdoor GPS devices, routing based on OSM, 
mashups with OSM basemaps...

Why shouldn't we educate the visitors and make them learn what OSM truly is. As 
long as we can agree, that OSM is more than a small text description on the 
side and a big map, we can do a much better job showing the diversity and 
richness of OSM and giving the visitors reasons why they should want to 
contribute to this awesome project.

And of course, I know that this needs someone to write the code for it and 
write the text and pick some images. But I think that making osm.org look even 
more similar to Google Maps and the like is the wrong way [1].

Also, please don't tell me that we can't put all this information on the front 
page, we can. Web pages can be longer than 600px because there is scrolling. 
Web pages can contain elements that move like a slideshow. They can contain 
small videos and images.
We might even have all this information available in our wiki already, but why 
shouldn't we display it upfront on osm.org?

-Jonas

[1] We can still do this and make it available as maps.osm.org for example and 
put a pretty big link on osm.org But it shouldn't be the main element on osm.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

[Jonas Krückel]

Yeah, I might do that at some point and then post a link here.

-Jonas

Am 15.10.2010 um 15:35 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:

> 
> 
> +1  Jonas, can you put some of your ideas on a wiki page ?
> 
> 
> 
> Gert Gremmen
> -
> 
> Openstreetmap.nl  (alias: cetest)
>  Before printing, think about the environment. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Jonas Krückel [mailto:o...@jonas-krueckel.de] 
> Verzonden: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:17 PM
> Aan: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
> CC: OSM Talk
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
> 
> 
> Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
> 
>>> I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM. 
>>> But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large 
>>> >margin, that which would be required to attract people to the project. And 
>>> still people whine about our "lack of vision"!
>> 
>> Nonsense Frederic, Justin makes a number of very valid points
>> that make the impression on the average visitor, that show
>> we are a unstructured community in some ways.
>> 
>> And no-one is whining, we are trying to make a better 
>> OSM, and the mapnik map is in most of the cass the first
>> impression the user gets.
>> 
>> We have voluntarily choosen to use the MAP(NIK) as 80% of our
>> frontpage. There are no statements about that are just
>> in for data quality.
>> 
>> That is the first (and too often) the last impression
>> a visitor gets.
> 
> I'm not sure how much we have chosen to have a big map on the front page. It 
> has been this way for years and hasn't change while the project itself has 
> changed and involved in a lot of ways.
> 
> Why don't we display more info about our project on the front page but 
> instead let the user more or less guess what we are about (by showing them a 
> map and a search box that looks a little bit like yet another Google Maps 
> clone and a small text description + a few links.)
> 
> Why don't we show them different map styles to choose from. We can force them 
> to choose a map style and they will learn that OSM has more than one map (and 
> maybe they also understand that OSM data can be used to produce different 
> maps, but it's a start anyway). Or do you really think that this little plus 
> over there is discovered by anyone visiting osm.org for the first time?
> 
> Why don't we show them upfront that we already have thousands of contributors 
> mapping right now (think of something like those maps showing edits live) and 
> make information about how this mapping is done available with just one 
> click? Why don't we show them that OSM contributors meet up in local groups 
> to have fun?
> 
> Why don't we show them the different ways OSM data can be used  - OSM data on 
> mobile devices like smartphones and outdoor GPS devices, routing based on 
> OSM, mashups with OSM basemaps...
> 
> Why shouldn't we educate the visitors and make them learn what OSM truly is. 
> As long as we can agree, that OSM is more than a small text description on 
> the side and a big map, we can do a much better job showing the diversity and 
> richness of OSM and giving the visitors reasons why they should want to 
> contribute to this awesome project.
> 
> And of course, I know that this needs someone to write the code for it and 
> write the text and pick some images. But I think that making osm.org look 
> even more similar to Google Maps and the like is the wrong way [1].
> 
> Also, please don't tell me that we can't put all this information on the 
> front page, we can. Web pages can be longer than 600px because there is 
> scrolling. Web pages can contain elements that move like a slideshow. They 
> can contain small videos and images.
> We might even have all this information available in our wiki already, but 
> why shouldn't we display it upfront on osm.org?
> 
> -Jonas
> 
> [1] We can still do this and make it available as maps.osm.org for example 
> and put a pretty big link on osm.org But it shouldn't be the main element on 
> osm.org


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Re: [OSM-talk] New Community Updates

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 12.11.2010 um 22:34 schrieb Simone Cortesi :

> 2010/11/12 Matthias Meißer :
>> a new week, a new Community updates Newsletter by EMerzh is out:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-11-01
>> 
>> By the way, he needs further helpers to monitor all the channels :)
> 
> thanks! It is a long desired "feature" of OSM... :)

For everyone who understands German:

We're doing something very similar on the German OSMBlog. It's called 
“Wochennotiz” and we've already made 16 versions of it. You can read the latest 
one here:  http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2010/11/osm-wochennotiz-nr-16/

-Jonas
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Gaza WMS server unavailable?

[Jonas Krückel]

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
> Forwarding this to talk@ since the talk-ps@ moderator isn't allowing
> this through.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 
> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:38 PM
> Subject: Gaza WMS server unavailable?
> To: talk...@openstreetmap.org
>
> Is the secret 2m WMS for Gaza unavailable?. I'm getting connection
> refused when trying to contact the usual server.
>   
Me too. I get red tiles with exception occured.

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Jonas Krückel]

Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Ed Loach wrote:
>   
>> Peter wrote:
>> 
>>> there has been a quite lively debate on talk-de about the 
>>> appearance of the openstreetmap.org page to "newcomers" to the
>>>   
>> project
>>
>> The front page design was mentioned here in early March, and pointed
>> to a wiki page where there was some brief discussion:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Front_Page
>> 
>
> Every single design that was thrown around at the time had the map very 
> prominently on the front page.
>   
I like the idea of a small or even bigger bubble over the map, when you 
enter the website the first time (see example 1, 3, 6)
This also could be a compromise between the three-column design and the 
current design.
Personally i also like the three-column design quite a lot. It would 
need some kind of update with the history and other things of course, 
but it would be a base to think about further designs in this direction.

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Jonas Krückel]

Eric Pritchett schrieb:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation.
> Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you
> could make better use of the domain.  Having said that, the foundation
> owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I
> trust that everyone will make great use out of it.  However, I would
> still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain
> could be used.  Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing
> the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org.  I think in the
> long term this would payoff.  Several advantages would include, but
> limited to:
>
>   * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused
> project.  I think this would be the most important.  It's
> amazing what a name can do.
>   * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like
> streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without
> sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or
> openstreemap.org/street). 
>   * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and
> remember. 
>   * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing
> things.  For example, this terrain follows the "open maps
> standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may
> leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads
> wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map.
>   
I see you points here, but I don't like the idea of changing the domain 
name because the project is called openstreetmap and we would make a lot 
of confusion, if we would change the name.
Some of your points can also be achieved by using the new domain osm.org 
(see some brainstorming about more advanced url's here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:John07/short_links)
If we would want to name the project correct today, we would probably 
have to call it opengeodata because it is about the data and not about maps.

But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email:
What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on 
openstreetmap data out there. The list is growing and with such a site 
we could give new users a fast overview. I would make the design a bit 
like the new topsites view of safari, about 4x4 thumbnails. At the 
bottom we could add links to more thumbnail pages with more maps. This 
would also fit great to your domain name.

Regards,
Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] [english 95%] Re: openmaps.org

[Jonas Krückel]

Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb:
> 2009/6/17 wer-ist-roger :
>   
>> Hej Jens,
>>
>> nice mockup. But I like more the idea of having thumbnails side by side then
>> this tab-like style.
>> 
>
> Yes, it is indeed quite nice, but IMHO not suitable for a large
> variety of different Maps (lets say 20-30).
>
>   
http://twitpic.com/80ic4
Just a sketch to illustrate my idea. You could easily add one line of 4
map thumbnails more and you also have the 'more maps' button on the bottom.
If you mouse over the thumbnails you will get additional informations
about the map.
I don't know if we would get problems with screenshots from the Reit-
und Wanderkarte including the contour lines and shaded reliefs, because
AFAIK the license is not compatible ( i do not really know if odbl will
make this better, but i don't think so) and it only works because the
are overlayed in the browser.

I also have a additional idea, what about a mobile version of
openmaps.org, automatically detecting the mobile device (iPhones mainly
;-) ) and displaying different open mobile maps (opentouchmap.org for
example)? Of course we would need a more advanced webinterface for the
mobile version so you can easily use it.

Please feel free to add your ideas!

Jonas




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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Error in OSM site when Exporting to Embedded HTML

[Jonas Krückel]

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
>   
>> Hi, I realized that when I click in the EXPORT tab of OSM.org and I choose
>> the Embedded HTML radiobox, it appears a link that says: "Click here to
>> select a marker", but when I click later on in the map, no marker is placed,
>> I'm using Firefox 3 in my Kubuntu.
>> 
>
> Can someone who can debug JS look at this? Firefox error
> console/Firebug complain about undefined variables but I can't track
> down what's wrong.
>   
I recognized this bug a few weeks ago as I was translating osm.org. It 
seemed to me that the bug appeared that time, so maybe it has something 
to do with the translation?
I checked de.yml at this time, but there was no bug, so it must be 
somewhere else.
Maybe this is a hint.

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

[Jonas Krückel]

Christoph Boehme schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>   
>> Nic Roets wrote:
>> 
>>> And if the user indicates that he just wants to add a PoI, redirect him to
>>> http://ae.osmsurround.org/ so that he can add it directly to the database.
>>>   
>> That's the point I was trying to make - do not hog all the bugs in one 
>> central place and allow users to do only what you have coded; instead 
>> open this up so that anybody can hook their app into the user interface 
>> to offer functionality.
>> 
>
> I don't quite understand how http://ae.osmsurround.org/ fits into the 
> bug-tracker idea. The amenity editor is an osm data editor that works 
> directly on the osm database. It does not create a special type of 
> amentiy bugs that need to be distributed.
>
> I could see that it makes sense to be able to add bugs to the map while 
> editing amenities but this is functionality which can easily be done 
> with the current osb.
>   
I think the idea is, if you have a bug saying POI=xy missing, than the 
bugwebsite (it must not be bugs.osm.org) could provide you a link to the 
amenity editor for fixing it directly.
Personally I think we should try to make a good API with a database 
behind it and should try to have the different functionalities made by 
different client-developers (i would say you can compare this with 
twitter, the original webinterface doesn't provide very much options, 
but with the api we see a lot of cool twitterclients adding all kind of 
functionalities and they also integrate with other services (facebook 
etc., in our case this would be JOSM..) very often.
Of course we should also add a bug-tab to the website then, but the API 
and the database is the most important thing.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Upload of mass data

[Jonas Krückel]

We have now a bulk_upload/import mailinglist for this (just created  
today), maybe go and ask there.

Jonas

Am 12.07.2009 um 20:47 schrieb "Andre Schoonbee" :

> Hi all
> I have a lot of data that I now want to upload onto OSM. The data  
> includes
> Roads, streets, rivers, parks. All data is in shp format.
>
> Any suggestions
>
> Andre
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SoC 2009 - static maps API - prototype version

[Jonas Krückel]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me like the attribution is not  
correct, you must also mention CC-BY-SA!


Jonas

Am 17.07.2009 um 01:57 schrieb Paweł Niechoda  
:



Thanks for respond!!

W dniu 16 lipca 2009 17:36 użytkownik Jochen Topf > napisał:

Hi!

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:18:35PM +0200, Paweł Niechoda wrote:
> My name is Paweł Niechoda and I am a student who is involved in Go 
ogle SoC

> 2009.
> I am working on project: OSM static maps API.
> I know that asking end-users for feedback is always the best way  
to improve

> application. So I am doing it.
> Here you can find the description of the prototype version of the  
API:

> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~pafciu17/
> and examples how API works.
> Please feel to send me any comments or sugestions for new features.
> By doing this you would help me a lot with my work.

Looks very promising!

Two small comments:
* I suggest to allow giving center by &lat=...&lon=... instead of (or
 in addition to ¢er=...) Thats the format used most widely and it
 has the advantage on not relying on the order of the longitude/ 
latitude

 coordinates.
Yeah, you are right, it is nice just to specify center point by giving
&lat and &lon params. So I added that possiblity, now there are two  
ways, you can

use either &lat and &lon or just ¢er.

* type for the ti...@home-map should be "osmarender" (not the "a").
Done

I am a bit concerned about the format of the points and paths. Its  
very
hard to see anything if all seperator characters are commas. Maybe  
have a
look at the Well-known text format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-known_text 
)
as another option. Might be a bit easier to read, on the other hand  
having

spaces in URLs is also bad. Your choice. :-)
I have had a look at Well-known text format, for sure it would be  
nice to

support it. As you mentioned it looks nice.
I will remember about it. Now I think there
are some others more important issues to work on.


Jochen
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Jochen Topf  joc...@remote.org  http://www.remote.org/jochen/  +49-721-388298


thank you again for comments:)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

[Jonas Krückel]

Tom Hughes schrieb:
> On 30/07/09 15:01, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote:
>
>   
>> on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at 
>> the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org .
>> 
>
> Funny, I obviously missed that.
>   
+1
>   
>> This is not realized yet.
>> Who can do it, please?
>> 
>
> Lots of people can, but there are very good reasons why it is where it 
> is at the moment which is why it hasn't been moved.
>
> The whole home page needs a redesign, and I don't really want to start 
> fiddling with little things like this when we should be doing the job 
> properly.
>
> There are also issues with search at the moment which mean we don't 
> actually want to make it too prominent.
>
> Since the SOTM advert has been removed it should now be on the home page 
> for most people anyway - the main problems come when there is extra 
> stuff in the sidebar like the SOTM ad that pushes it below the bottom of 
> people's windows.
>   
+1
Steve started a wiki-page with ideas for a frontpage redesign some time 
ago (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Front_Page), but it seems like 
the process stopped.
There were also some discussion about how prominent the map should be or 
if we should put more text on the frontpage (3 columns layout etc.)

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Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adres se bestätigen

[Jonas Krückel]

I translated the german part below so you're able to help him:
Personally I have no idea why this failed. We (TomH and I on dev) have  
seen such a problem some time ago and thought we've fixed it. I'm  
pretty sure that this fail has nothing to do with the localized email  
in this case.

Jonas

Am 21.08.2009 um 09:51 schrieb "Mike Harris" :

>
> Can someone out there help Andreas with his issue re confirmation of  
> his
> user account (see messages in German below)? He has sent this  
> directly to me
> and I don't know how best to help him.
>
> Mike Harris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andr...@an3as.eu]
> Sent: 21 August 2009 07:50
> To: webmas...@openstreetmap.org
> Cc: mik...@googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen
>
> [Hi Mike,
> I'm sorry to CC you in this request to webmas...@osm.org but I'm  
> heavily
> afraid that this mail will probably end up in any SPAM folder.  So I  
> picked
> an "obviosely active person" answering questions on OSM-newbies who   
> might
> perhaps give me the address / foreward this mail to a person  
> responsible
> for creating accounts which failed somehow with an error message in my
> case.
>
> Thanks for any help and sorry for the nuisance
>
>   Andreas
> ]
>
> Hallo,
>
> wenn ich dem Link unten folge, und auf "Bestätigen" klicke, bekomme  
> ich:

If I click on the link below to verify/activate my account, I get the  
following message:
>
>  Ein Benutzeraccount wurde bereits mit diesem Link bestätigt.

"An useraccount has already been activated with this link.
>
> Der account ist aber noch nicht aktiviert. :-(

But my account is still not available/active.
>
> Liegt es an meiner verspäteten Rückmeldung? (Ich hatte das whitelist 
> en der
> Addresse doch etwas zu spät gemacht und Eure Mail landete tatsächlic 
> h im
> SPAM Ordner ...)

The mail got in my spam folder and it took me some time to get it out  
of there, maybe this timespan was too long?

>
> Vielen Dank für Eure Mühen um OSM
>
>   Andreas.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:57AM +0100,  
> webmas...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
>> Hallo!
>>
>> Jemand (hoffentlich du) möchte ein Benutzerkonto erstellen für
>> www.openstreetmap.org
>>
>> Wenn du das bist, Herzlich Willkommen! Bitte klicke auf den folgenden
>> Link unter dieser Zeile, um dein Benutzerkonto zu bestätigen. Lies 
>>  danach
> weiter, denn es folgen mehr Informationen über OSM.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/confirm? 
>> confirm_string=gm72vSHgOpiV8
>> jU1rTkvYDhyR59piC
>>
>> Ein Einführungsvideo zu OpenStreetMap kannst du dir hier anschauen:
>>
>>http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=180&fromSeriesID=180
>>
>> Weitere Videos gibt es hier:
>>
>>http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=mS2P1ZqS6
>>
>> Weitere Informationen über OSM findest du in unserem Wiki:
>>
>>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide
>>
>> OpenGeoData.org ist das OpenStreetMap Blog; dort gibt es auch einen
> Podcast:
>>
>>http://www.opengeodata.org/
>>
>> Im Wiki von OpenStreetMap kannst du dich ebenfalls registrieren:
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php? 
>> title=Special:Userlogin&type=s
>> ignup&returnto=Hauptseite
>>
>> Es wird begrüßt wenn du dort eine Benutzerseite erstellst, welche
>> einen Kategorie-Tag enthält der auf deinen Standort hinweist, zum  
>> Beispiel
> [[Category:Users_in_München]].
>>
>> Eine Liste mit allen Benutzern in einer Kategorie,  die anzeigt wo  
>> sie
>> auf der Welt sind, ist hier verfügbar:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ 
>> Category:Users_by_geographical_regi
>> on
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Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 26.08.2009 um 13:44 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis :

> Hi!
>
> Congracts everyone with amount of input OSM recieves this year.
> Volunteers join us every day and changesets grow in detaility and
> quality. However, there is one set back and those are two things -
> mapnik render and NameFinder. While mapnik slowly gains additional
> renders for POIs and stuff, people can't find anything newer than
> January in NameFinder. I also think it is time to redesign it and make
> default version more good looking. Yes, I know, commercial vendors are
> here for selling services, but stil, as a geek, I contribute to OSM
> and want to use OSM slippy map.
>
> Anyway, so far I have heard about two efforts of getting NameFinder
> running again. First one is just performance improvement for old one
> (done by David Earl) and second one is completely new effort (by
> Twain).

Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder  
on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source.
So maybe we should start a kind of working group who looks at all the  
offers and possibilities and then get one running.

Maybe this could also be one topic for a hacking session on wherecampeu.

I would join a working group, who else is interested?

Jonas

>
> How far both projects are? Is there anything someone with moderate
> Linux/sysadmining/Python/Postgresql/whatever knowledge can help?
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.
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Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 26.08.2009 um 14:49 schrieb Tom Hughes :

> On 26/08/09 13:12, Jonas Krückel wrote:
>
>> Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder
>> on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source.
>> So maybe we should start a kind of working group who looks at all the
>> offers and possibilities and then get one running.
>
> Umm... Like the geocoding mailing list you mean? The one that was  
> created after discussion with the interested parties at SOTM...
>
> Tom

Yep, sorry, I don't know why i missed that list, David already gave me  
a hint know. I will subscribe asap.

Jonas
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService fail

[Jonas Krückel]

Am 08.09.2009 um 14:11 schrieb Valent Turkovic :

> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:57:10 +0200, Pascal Neis wrote:
>
>> Of course planned, but atm I can not say when it will happen.
>>
>> pascal
>
> Thank you for all your hard work and effort in making ORS service.
>
> I have one related question - do turn restrictions

No

> and oneway streets
> "work" on ORS service?

Yes

See  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/online_routers for  
more information about that.

Jonas
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Donate today for OSM's £10,000 serv er fundraiser

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

What about making the link to the Live Donor List 
 a bit bigger and noticeable.

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Donate today for OSM's £10,000 se rver fundraiser

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

And maybe also adding a link on openstreetmap.org to 
donate.openstreetmap.org

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Re: [OSM-talk] donating read-only api-mirrors

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Am 06.02.2009 um 08:28 schrieb :

>
> Hello,
>
> what about packaging everything one needs to set up a
> read-only api-server that applies the minutely diffs
> and re-importes the planet lets say once a month?
>
> Many do not need data that is accurate up to an hour
> but as there are no other servers they have to query
> the main-api-server anyway.
>
> Packaged up for an averare unix-guy to install
> in an apache-vhost, maybe with a central round-robin-dns
> over all such api-mirrors we can take a lot of load
> from the main server.
>

I think you know about ROMA and TRAPI. But i think you are speaking  
about a exact readonly-copy of the api.
Regards
Jonas


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Re: [OSM-talk] "News blog" link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) schrieb:
> Having thought about this a bit overnight I personally feel that the project
> should have an OSM specific blog that gets used for OSM community
> announcements, worthy news items and OSMF announcements. Announcements are
> easy as they report fact and it's just a matter of deciding if the
> announcement is worthy of publication on a blog or not. News is a little
> more subjective so needs a little more care. OSMF stuff is easy because OSMF
> can decide internally before an announcement is made.
>
> If the OSM community can establish a small moderator group they could
> receive potential blog posts from anyone, the "image of the week" approach
> as suggested by Peter. The group would hopefully also deal with language
> issues if a post needs putting up in more than one language (alternative
> versions perhaps on the wiki for instance).
>
> It would also be nice for OSM to have a permanent archive of Steve's
> personal blog posts to OGD that he and others made about the development and
> progress of OSM in the early months/years.
+1
A OSM specific blog would also help to inform people on one place about 
important news. A lot of people can´t read the mailinglists, forums and 
all the wiki sites, thus it is hard for them to stay informed about 
important issues.

Jonas


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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM shortcuts/macro for Gaza editing

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) schrieb:
>
> You can achieve the same end by setting up a default preset. Simply envoke
> the preset and add any other data to it (name of road etc) and hey presto
> you way now has all those common tags you want on it. I use this method for
> most objects I add instead of using the default built-in presets that come
> with JOSM.
>
> For more check out http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/TaggingPresets
>
>   
I´m also editing streets in gaza and created this preset for me:

* open your favorite text editor
* insert the following:








(you can easily add more items in this file, see 
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/TaggingPresets)

* save it as gaza-preset.xml
* open JOSM
* open Preferences, go to Map Settings (3rd tab)
* add your file at the "Tagging Preset Sources"
* restart JOSM
* if you want, you can move the preset in your toolbar for quick use
  (Preferences, Toolbar costomization)

If this instruction is good enough, i can put it on the wiki page. A 
icon for this preset would be nice, ideas?

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Ian Dees schrieb:
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, SteveC  > wrote:
>
>
> I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different front
> pages could look like which you can see on the wiki page below. There
> are some very quick ideas there but it's not a full picture by a long
> way.
>
>
>  To get some conversation going:
>
> I really like the Fp4.jpg[1] example on the URL you gave, Steve. It's 
> important to make the map (and thus its data) the largest GUI element 
> on the page. The buttons along the top draw my eye up there to see 
> what's available. I also like the "Shop" link idea.
>
> After looking at all of the examples, Fp4.jpg seems to be the one that 
> is the simplest and most eye-catching.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Fp4.jpg
I also like that. Unfortunately i can´t find a link to the wiki :-) I 
think the wiki is very important and must get a big link.
I also like Fp1.jpg because of the news section. I would change "Edit" 
to "Edit Map"!

Jonas



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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code 2009

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Hi,
it seems to me that the Pool of Potential Projects on the wikipage is 
outdated. For example routable garmin maps are already working now.
Should i correct/delete this ideas?

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code 2009

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Mikel Maron schrieb:
> Yes, need to get this page up to date. Everyone, throw in new ideas 
> for GSoC projects. Ideally they are well contained, non-essential, 
> interesting and deep, but doable by a student who may be new to OSM.
>
> If you're interested to mentor, add your name too
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code#Would_You_be_a_Mentor_in_GSoc_2009.3F
>
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Applications_2008
>
> These are the student applications. Does anyone have a copy of the 
> mentor organization application?
>
> > I would prefer to move discussions out of mailing lists to twitter
> > since this is relatively urgent matter (deadline for application is
> > Mar 13th). I am not sure though how many people here use twitter.
> > #osmgsoc
>
> Let's just stick to the lists and wiki, we're used to that. We can 
> pull off March 13. Do you want to take the lead on submitting the 
> application?
I didn´t wrote that what you quoted here, this was from dev from Artem 
Dudarev mailto:duda...@gmail.com>

Jonas
>
> -Mikel
>
> 
> *From:* Jonas Krückel (John07) 
> *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:37:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code 2009
>
> Hi,
> it seems to me that the Pool of Potential Projects on the wikipage is
> outdated. For example routable garmin maps are already working now.
> Should i correct/delete this ideas?
>
> Jonas
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Re: [OSM-talk] suggested website to upload a temporary cycling route event over OSM streetdata

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Maning Sambale schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I want to create an interactive webmap for an upcoming cycling event in
> the Philippines.  I can prepare a gpx file for the route.  Now I want it
> over OSM data.  Are there any site that provides this service (other
> than rolling my own slippy map)?
>
> The route is temporary (only for this cycling event) therefore I am
> hesitant to add it in the main OSM database.
>
>   
Maybe you could use bikemap.net for this. The site supports OSM-Layers, 
Mapnik and OpenCycleMap.
http://www.bikemap.net/#lt=11.86735&ln=121.50879&z=6&t=0
(Maybe you will have to switch the language)

Jonas


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Re: [OSM-talk] Email notification for changes on wiki watch list?

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Jens Herrmann schrieb:
> Hi,
> I just tried to find an option to receive Email notifications for
> changes on my wiki watch list, but could not find anything. Does the
> wiki software have this functionality in principle and would there be a
> way to introduce this in the osm wiki?
>
>   
This feature and the rss-feed for watchlists we´re disabled because of 
performance issues. The small wiki server wouldn´t be able to handle the 
load.

Jonas

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Re: [OSM-talk] How is the upgrade going

[Jonas Krückel (John07)]

Maarten Deen schrieb:
> I'm not on IRC, so I've got no idea, but anyone how the upgrade is going so 
> far?
>
>   
firefishy about 2h ago on twitter:  migrating API 0.6 database - phase 5 
(i started at the wrong number): re-creating consistent current tables.

No major problems yet.

Jonas

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