[OSM-talk-be] OSM Stats is updated

2014-09-08 Thread Marc Gemis
for Belgium:

http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Belgium

never more than 60 mappers / day in the past year.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-10-05 Thread VS
Hi all,

Did anybody contacted them? Did that lead to something?

Regards.

Vincent S.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-15 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
thanks. I see better

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-15 Thread eMerzh
Hi Nicolas,

This tool ( i speak only for the result i gave) take every node tagged
with place=*

ie place=town, name=Etterbeek

Then the tool count the amount of nodes (every type) around this place
 and if it's below a certain number it's flagged as "sparsely" or if
there is a really low number of node as "unmapped".
It's really a rudimentary tool that indicate places where there is a
LOOT of stuff to do :)

But the tool doesn't take in the count (yet??) the amount of POIs, the
streetnames, the number or higways , buildings, ...

Regards,

Brice aka eMerzh

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 21:20, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> Thanks eMerzh
>
>> Stats are in 1 month :
>>
>> From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???)
>> From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places
>
> great improvements.
>
> What if we created a Belgian project of the week to map, one after the
> other these unmapped places.
>
> I bet that very soon we would be able to map more than one a week, and
> it would be nice to work together on a place or somes places
>
>> As last time, this only count the number of nodes  in a certain radius
>> of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing
>> imagery :p
>
> i am still not sure I understand what this means.
>
> Are the streetnames missing ? What other info are to be added ? Would
> it be interesting / necessary to organize in these places mapping
> parties ?
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-15 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Thanks eMerzh

> Stats are in 1 month :
>
> From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???)
> From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places

great improvements.

What if we created a Belgian project of the week to map, one after the
other these unmapped places.

I bet that very soon we would be able to map more than one a week, and
it would be nice to work together on a place or somes places

> As last time, this only count the number of nodes  in a certain radius
> of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing
> imagery :p

i am still not sure I understand what this means.

Are the streetnames missing ? What other info are to be added ? Would
it be interesting / necessary to organize in these places mapping
parties ?

Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-14 Thread eMerzh
Thanks Linusable ;)

Folks, There is (as every month or so) an update of the unmapped place .

available as usual at :
http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/index.html for the map

and  http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html for the details
in a html way


Stats are in 1 month :

>From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???)
>From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places

As last time, this only count the number of nodes  in a certain radius
of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing
imagery :p


Have fun ;-)







On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:10, Linusable  wrote:
> Congratulations for the job. A small article is posted about OSM covering on
> the wordpress of LoLiGrUB (http://www.loligrub.be), a LUG near Mons. The
> news is re-used by http://www.interlug.be
>
> Hope this will incite new contributors !
>
> linusable
>
>
> Le 01/06/11 09:22, eMerzh a écrit :
>>
>> Hi everybody,  here is an update about unmapped places
>>
>> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/
>>
>> (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely  mapped)
>>
>> as usual the textual report is here
>> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html
>>
>> btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67
>> sparsely mapped place
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote:

 Hi,
 the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql
 with data from the 12th april.
>>>
>>> I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length
>>> will
>>> sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much
>>> lower.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-11 Thread Linusable
Congratulations for the job. A small article is posted about OSM 
covering on the wordpress of LoLiGrUB (http://www.loligrub.be), a LUG 
near Mons. The news is re-used by http://www.interlug.be


Hope this will incite new contributors !

linusable


Le 01/06/11 09:22, eMerzh a écrit :

Hi everybody,  here is an update about unmapped places

http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/

(it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely  mapped)

as usual the textual report is here
http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html

btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67
sparsely mapped place

:)



On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard  wrote:

On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote:

Hi,
the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql
with data from the 12th april.

I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length will
sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much lower.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Chris Browet
Well, I don't say things are not ok, just that we have zero support from our
(many) goverments, as far as I know, and a big wall is hit with them because
we do not have a "legal body".

In my view, any local chapter would be 99% a channel between our local
authorities and the OSMF. Local animations, community, mapping parties,
etc... would be out-of-scope, unless some wants to use the "label" for such.


2011/6/1 Julien Fastré 

> (Following my opinion, a Belgian Local Chapter might help the community,
> without taking the place of this community... I am volunteer to discuss
> those points)
> Julien
>
> Le 1 juin 2011 14:33, Julien Fastré  a écrit :
>
> Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice :
>> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63(french)
>> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64(dutch)
>>
>> I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now...
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.htmland 
>> follow the threads
>>
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 
>>
>>> Why was it deemed not necessary?
>>>
>>> Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt)
>>> or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium?
>>>
>>> If you need members/administrators, you can count me in.
>>> For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in
>>> french): http://www.assoc.be
>>>
>>> - Chris -
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré 
>>>
 The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of
 month ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that.

 If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate.


 We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th
 May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will 
 give
 his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also
 give mine... But i am on holiday until monday)

 Julien

 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 

>
>
>> > See
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters.
>> Someone is
>> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?
>>
>> who ?
>>
>
> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
> name.
>
>
>> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
>> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
>> asked to support / decide.
>>
>> For example :
>>
>> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with
>> maposmatic) ?
>> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
>> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?
>>
>> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM
> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than
> managing their own...
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Julien Fastré
(Following my opinion, a Belgian Local Chapter might help the community,
without taking the place of this community... I am volunteer to discuss
those points)
Julien

Le 1 juin 2011 14:33, Julien Fastré  a écrit :

> Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice :
> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63(french)
> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64 (dutch)
>
> I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now...
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.htmland 
> follow the threads
>
>
> Julien
>
> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 
>
>> Why was it deemed not necessary?
>>
>> Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt)
>> or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium?
>>
>> If you need members/administrators, you can count me in.
>> For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in
>> french): http://www.assoc.be
>>
>> - Chris -
>>
>>
>> 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré 
>>
>>> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month
>>> ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that.
>>>
>>> If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate.
>>>
>>> We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th
>>> May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give
>>> his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also
>>> give mine... But i am on holiday until monday)
>>>
>>> Julien
>>>
>>> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 
>>>


> > See
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters.
> Someone is
> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?
>
> who ?
>

 Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
 name.


> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
> asked to support / decide.
>
> For example :
>
> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic)
> ?
> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?
>
> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM
 database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
 They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than
 managing their own...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Julien Fastré
Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice :
http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63 (french)
http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64 (dutch)

I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now...
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.html and
follow the threads

Julien

2011/6/1 Chris Browet 

> Why was it deemed not necessary?
>
> Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt)
> or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium?
>
> If you need members/administrators, you can count me in.
> For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in
> french): http://www.assoc.be
>
> - Chris -
>
>
> 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré 
>
>> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month
>> ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that.
>>
>> If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate.
>>
>> We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th
>> May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give
>> his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also
>> give mine... But i am on holiday until monday)
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 
>>
>>>
>>>
 > See
 > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone
 is
 > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?

 who ?

>>>
>>> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
>>> name.
>>>
>>>
 It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
 as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
 asked to support / decide.

 For example :

 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic)
 ?
 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
 have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?

 Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM
>>> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
>>> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than
>>> managing their own...
>>>
>>> - Chris -
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Chris Browet
Why was it deemed not necessary?

Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt) or
just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium?

If you need members/administrators, you can count me in.
For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in
french): http://www.assoc.be

- Chris -

2011/6/1 Julien Fastré 

> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month
> ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that.
>
> If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate.
>
> We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th May
> (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give his
> point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also give
> mine... But i am on holiday until monday)
>
> Julien
>
> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet 
>
>>
>>
>>> > See
>>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone
>>> is
>>> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?
>>>
>>> who ?
>>>
>>
>> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
>> name.
>>
>>
>>> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
>>> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
>>> asked to support / decide.
>>>
>>> For example :
>>>
>>> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ?
>>> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
>>> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?
>>>
>>> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM
>> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
>> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than
>> managing their own...
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Julien Fastré
The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month
ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that.

If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate.

We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th May
(drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give his
point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also give
mine... But i am on holiday until monday)

Julien

2011/6/1 Chris Browet 

>
>
>> > See
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone
>> is
>> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?
>>
>> who ?
>>
>
> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
> name.
>
>
>> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
>> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
>> asked to support / decide.
>>
>> For example :
>>
>> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ?
>> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
>> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?
>>
>> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM
> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than managing
> their own...
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Chris Browet
>
> > See
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is
> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?
>
> who ?
>

Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the
name.


> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
> asked to support / decide.
>
> For example :
>
> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ?
> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?
>
> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM database
might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money?
They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than managing
their own...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
> FYI, at the Hack Democracy Open Data conference,
unfortunately, I could not attend

> but really to the building shapes. The two are mostly unrelated.

good to know.

> Of course you can always try to push both ways and see what happens.

indeed

> I don't remember the specifics, but they also recommended to invoke
> two EU directives saying that the public should have access to this
> data when making such a request.

Inquire directive. I planned to mention it.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Hi Chris

> Regarding the attribution, it might be worthwhile to inform them that OSM is
> doing this for a number of other sources via the "source" tag.
good point.

> Might be also interesting to inform them of other cities using "opendata"
> licenses (There a number of them in France).

I planned to let them know about that. I am following closely what is
done around Brest but also in Rennes and Paris.

> They will probably ask for a legal representative of OSMF.

indeed. THis was the main, unsolvable point when I contacted them 4
years ago. They wanted a legal representative of OSMF in Belgium ! In
the UK was not good !

> See
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is
> (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?

who ?

> Thinking about it, Belgium has the notion of "Association de fait"
> (http://www.belgium.be/fr/economie/entreprise/creation/types_de_societe/associations/).
> It has no jurisdictional existence like an ASBL has, but, assuming OSMF
> endorsement, it might be a sufficient (and lightweight) way to act as a
> representative of the OSMF, which is a legal entity...

very good point.

> If I can do something to help (I' a brusseleer, too), don't hesitate.

thanks. I shall not hesitate.

It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration
as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be
asked to support / decide.

For example :

1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ?
2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to
have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Benoit Leseul
Hi,

FYI, at the Hack Democracy Open Data conference, it was said that it
is not necessary to have access to the restricted "P&B" database
(which contains the full cadastre) to get access to the building
shapes. The other URBIS databases seem to be good enough for that. In
other words, you probably shouldn't request access to the "cadastre"
(which records many things on terrain owners and has privacy issues),
but really to the building shapes. The two are mostly unrelated. Of
course you can always try to push both ways and see what happens.

I don't remember the specifics, but they also recommended to invoke
two EU directives saying that the public should have access to this
data when making such a request.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:51, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> Thanks for the info
>
> I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the
> URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see
> http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to
> be allowed to use these data to help OSM.
>
> I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is
> apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a
> reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see
> http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees).
> I want to discuss this and other points
>
> Mention obligatoire
>
> L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute
> information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est
> autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du
> support employée pour transmettre les données :
>
>    « Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB »
>    ou
>    « Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling &
> Copyright CIBG »
>    ou
>    « Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB »
>
>
> Urbis could be used to
> 1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to
> help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not
> yet done the job themselves.
> 2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ...
>
> Suggestions welcom.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Chris Browet
Hi,

Regarding the attribution, it might be worthwhile to inform them that OSM is
doing this for a number of other sources via the "source" tag.
Might be also interesting to inform them of other cities using "opendata"
licenses (There a number of them in France).

They will probably ask for a legal representative of OSMF. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is
(was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently?

Thinking about it, Belgium has the notion of "Association de fait" (
http://www.belgium.be/fr/economie/entreprise/creation/types_de_societe/associations/).
It has no jurisdictional existence like an ASBL has, but, assuming OSMF
endorsement, it might be a sufficient (and lightweight) way to act as a
representative of the OSMF, which is a legal entity...

If I can do something to help (I' a brusseleer, too), don't hesitate.

- Chris -

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> Thanks for the info
>
> I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the
> URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see
> http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to
> be allowed to use these data to help OSM.
>
> I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is
> apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a
> reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see
> http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees).
> I want to discuss this and other points
>
> Mention obligatoire
>
> L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute
> information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est
> autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du
> support employée pour transmettre les données :
>
>« Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB »
>ou
>« Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling &
> Copyright CIBG »
>ou
>« Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB
> »
>
>
> Urbis could be used to
> 1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to
> help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not
> yet done the job themselves.
> 2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ...
>
> Suggestions welcom.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
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[OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS

2011-06-01 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Thanks for the info

I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the
URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see
http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to
be allowed to use these data to help OSM.

I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is
apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a
reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see
http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees).
I want to discuss this and other points

Mention obligatoire

L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute
information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est
autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du
support employée pour transmettre les données :

« Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB »
ou
« Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling &
Copyright CIBG »
ou
« Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB »


Urbis could be used to
1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to
help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not
yet done the job themselves.
2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ...

Suggestions welcom.

Best regards,

Nicolas

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-01 Thread eMerzh
Hello,
it's only a run of the script made by gary68
at : 
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/utils/gary68/unmappedplaces.pl

after i only split the txt file in 2

basically the script count the number of nodes in a certain distance
of the place node (the distance depends of the place type)

as described here http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html

Definitions

City: 4 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 4800/2400
Town: 1 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 400/200
Village: 0.5 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 60/30
Suburb: 0.5 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 60/30



It's not exact and certainly miss a lot of sparsely mapped place (i-e
without name, ..) but it's a good indication :)



On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 09:56, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> 2011/6/1 eMerzh :
>> Hi everybody,  here is an update about unmapped places
>>
>> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/
>
> thanks
>
>> (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely  mapped)
>
> how did you build these maps ?
>
>> as usual the textual report is here
>> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html
>>
>> btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67
>> sparsely mapped place
>
> congratulations. How was this done ? On the fields or only with the
> help of Bing images ?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-01 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
2011/6/1 eMerzh :
> Hi everybody,  here is an update about unmapped places
>
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/

thanks

> (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely  mapped)

how did you build these maps ?

> as usual the textual report is here
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html
>
> btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67
> sparsely mapped place

congratulations. How was this done ? On the fields or only with the
help of Bing images ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-06-01 Thread eMerzh
Hi everybody,  here is an update about unmapped places

http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/

(it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely  mapped)

as usual the textual report is here
http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html

btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67
sparsely mapped place

:)



On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard  wrote:
> On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql
>> with data from the 12th april.
>
> I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length will
> sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much lower.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-14 Thread Lennard

On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote:

Hi,
the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql
with data from the 12th april.


I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length 
will sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much 
lower.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-14 Thread Chris Browet
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:20, eMerzh  wrote:

>
> and the assumed total length is taken from here :
>
> http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/statistiques/circulation_et_transport/longueur_du_reseau_routier_revetu_en_km.jsp
>
> This is the one I meant... Cool. Thanks.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-14 Thread eMerzh
Hi,
the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql
with data from the 12th april.

and the assumed total length is taken from here :
http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/statistiques/circulation_et_transport/longueur_du_reseau_routier_revetu_en_km.jsp


On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:05, Chris Browet  wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:50, eMerzh  wrote:
>>
>> if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km.
>>
> Those are highways in the OSM sense, i.e. any roads, right? Out of
> curiosity, where did you get that number?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-14 Thread Georges De Gruyter
Thanks for the excellent information.  I'll have a look around Gistel.
Georges

2011/5/13 eMerzh 

> Hi everybody,
>
> Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium.
>
> in summary :
>
> You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html  /
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map)
>
> We have added in 1 week :
>
> 446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day
> 612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day.
>
> if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km.
>
> In 1 Month we have mapped :
>
> 113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them)
> 67 Sparsely mapped  (there are still 390 of them)
>
>
> If you want to se more  go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry
> about that)
>
>
> http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29
>
> Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job!
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-14 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:50, eMerzh  wrote:

>
> if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km.
>
> Those are highways in the OSM sense, i.e. any roads, right? Out of
curiosity, where did you get that number?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Leemans

I took this a challenge ;).
You can scratch 'Gomery' from the sparsely mapped places.

I like this list a lot. When I get bored with my own community, I tend
to search for 'empty' spots on the map, an try to bingify them.
Your list is a great resource for that!

And the OSM stats keep impressing me.
Where is the time I downloaded my garmin map of Belgium smaller as
10meg, it's now more as 30...

Great work, and keep on mapping!

Regards,
Peter

On 05/13/2011 05:50 PM, eMerzh wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium.
> 
> in summary :
> 
> You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html  /
> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map)
> 
> We have added in 1 week :
> 
> 446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day
> 612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day.
> 
> if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km.
> 
> In 1 Month we have mapped :
> 
> 113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them)
> 67 Sparsely mapped  (there are still 390 of them)
> 
> 
> If you want to se more  go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry
> about that)
> 
> 
> http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29
> 
> Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job!
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[OSM-talk-be] OSM stats

2011-05-13 Thread eMerzh
Hi everybody,

Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium.

in summary :

You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in
http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html  /
http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map)

We have added in 1 week :

446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day
612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day.

if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km.

In 1 Month we have mapped :

113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them)
67 Sparsely mapped  (there are still 390 of them)


If you want to se more  go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry
about that)


http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29

Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job!

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