[OSM-talk-be] OSM Stats is updated
for Belgium: http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Belgium never more than 60 mappers / day in the past year. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Hi all, Did anybody contacted them? Did that lead to something? Regards. Vincent S. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
thanks. I see better -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Hi Nicolas, This tool ( i speak only for the result i gave) take every node tagged with place=* ie place=town, name=Etterbeek Then the tool count the amount of nodes (every type) around this place and if it's below a certain number it's flagged as "sparsely" or if there is a really low number of node as "unmapped". It's really a rudimentary tool that indicate places where there is a LOOT of stuff to do :) But the tool doesn't take in the count (yet??) the amount of POIs, the streetnames, the number or higways , buildings, ... Regards, Brice aka eMerzh On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 21:20, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Thanks eMerzh > >> Stats are in 1 month : >> >> From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???) >> From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places > > great improvements. > > What if we created a Belgian project of the week to map, one after the > other these unmapped places. > > I bet that very soon we would be able to map more than one a week, and > it would be nice to work together on a place or somes places > >> As last time, this only count the number of nodes in a certain radius >> of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing >> imagery :p > > i am still not sure I understand what this means. > > Are the streetnames missing ? What other info are to be added ? Would > it be interesting / necessary to organize in these places mapping > parties ? > > Best regards, > > Nicolas > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Thanks eMerzh > Stats are in 1 month : > > From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???) > From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places great improvements. What if we created a Belgian project of the week to map, one after the other these unmapped places. I bet that very soon we would be able to map more than one a week, and it would be nice to work together on a place or somes places > As last time, this only count the number of nodes in a certain radius > of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing > imagery :p i am still not sure I understand what this means. Are the streetnames missing ? What other info are to be added ? Would it be interesting / necessary to organize in these places mapping parties ? Best regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Thanks Linusable ;) Folks, There is (as every month or so) an update of the unmapped place . available as usual at : http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/index.html for the map and http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html for the details in a html way Stats are in 1 month : >From 117 to 61 unmapped places ( No more for the next update???) >From 390 to 291 sparsely mapped places As last time, this only count the number of nodes in a certain radius of the place...not the POIs or streetname or analyses of the bing imagery :p Have fun ;-) On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:10, Linusable wrote: > Congratulations for the job. A small article is posted about OSM covering on > the wordpress of LoLiGrUB (http://www.loligrub.be), a LUG near Mons. The > news is re-used by http://www.interlug.be > > Hope this will incite new contributors ! > > linusable > > > Le 01/06/11 09:22, eMerzh a écrit : >> >> Hi everybody, here is an update about unmapped places >> >> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ >> >> (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely mapped) >> >> as usual the textual report is here >> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html >> >> btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67 >> sparsely mapped place >> >> :) >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard wrote: >>> >>> On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote: Hi, the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql with data from the 12th april. >>> >>> I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length >>> will >>> sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much >>> lower. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lennard >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Congratulations for the job. A small article is posted about OSM covering on the wordpress of LoLiGrUB (http://www.loligrub.be), a LUG near Mons. The news is re-used by http://www.interlug.be Hope this will incite new contributors ! linusable Le 01/06/11 09:22, eMerzh a écrit : Hi everybody, here is an update about unmapped places http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely mapped) as usual the textual report is here http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67 sparsely mapped place :) On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard wrote: On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote: Hi, the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql with data from the 12th april. I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length will sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much lower. -- Lennard ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Well, I don't say things are not ok, just that we have zero support from our (many) goverments, as far as I know, and a big wall is hit with them because we do not have a "legal body". In my view, any local chapter would be 99% a channel between our local authorities and the OSMF. Local animations, community, mapping parties, etc... would be out-of-scope, unless some wants to use the "label" for such. 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré > (Following my opinion, a Belgian Local Chapter might help the community, > without taking the place of this community... I am volunteer to discuss > those points) > Julien > > Le 1 juin 2011 14:33, Julien Fastré a écrit : > > Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice : >> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63(french) >> http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64(dutch) >> >> I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now... >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.htmland >> follow the threads >> >> >> Julien >> >> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet >> >>> Why was it deemed not necessary? >>> >>> Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt) >>> or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium? >>> >>> If you need members/administrators, you can count me in. >>> For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in >>> french): http://www.assoc.be >>> >>> - Chris - >>> >>> >>> 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré >>> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that. If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate. We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also give mine... But i am on holiday until monday) Julien 2011/6/1 Chris Browet > > >> > See >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. >> Someone is >> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? >> >> who ? >> > > Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the > name. > > >> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration >> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be >> asked to support / decide. >> >> For example : >> >> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with >> maposmatic) ? >> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to >> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? >> >> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM > database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? > They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than > managing their own... > > - Chris - > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julien FASTRE >> http://www.meta-morphoses.be >> > > > > -- > Julien FASTRE > http://www.meta-morphoses.be > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
(Following my opinion, a Belgian Local Chapter might help the community, without taking the place of this community... I am volunteer to discuss those points) Julien Le 1 juin 2011 14:33, Julien Fastré a écrit : > Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice : > http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63(french) > http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64 (dutch) > > I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now... > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.htmland > follow the threads > > > Julien > > 2011/6/1 Chris Browet > >> Why was it deemed not necessary? >> >> Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt) >> or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium? >> >> If you need members/administrators, you can count me in. >> For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in >> french): http://www.assoc.be >> >> - Chris - >> >> >> 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré >> >>> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month >>> ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that. >>> >>> If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate. >>> >>> We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th >>> May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give >>> his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also >>> give mine... But i am on holiday until monday) >>> >>> Julien >>> >>> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet >>> > > See > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. > Someone is > > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? > > who ? > Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the name. > It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration > as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be > asked to support / decide. > > For example : > > 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) > ? > 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to > have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? > > Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than managing their own... - Chris - ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julien FASTRE >>> http://www.meta-morphoses.be >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > > > -- > Julien FASTRE > http://www.meta-morphoses.be > -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Something good to read is the brochure from the Ministry of Justice : http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=63 (french) http://www.just.fgov.be/cgi_justice/publications/show_pdf.pl?id=64 (dutch) I think it was not necessary because things seemed to be ok until now... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2009-August/000876.html and follow the threads Julien 2011/6/1 Chris Browet > Why was it deemed not necessary? > > Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt) > or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium? > > If you need members/administrators, you can count me in. > For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in > french): http://www.assoc.be > > - Chris - > > > 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré > >> The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month >> ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that. >> >> If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate. >> >> We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th >> May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give >> his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also >> give mine... But i am on holiday until monday) >> >> Julien >> >> 2011/6/1 Chris Browet >> >>> >>> > See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? who ? >>> >>> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the >>> name. >>> >>> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be asked to support / decide. For example : 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ? 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM >>> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? >>> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than >>> managing their own... >>> >>> - Chris - >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julien FASTRE >> http://www.meta-morphoses.be >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Why was it deemed not necessary? Is it because usually administration does not requires it (which I doubt) or just because a lack of opportunity to get open data in Belgium? If you need members/administrators, you can count me in. For reference, a site which looks interesting regarding asbl/vzw (in french): http://www.assoc.be - Chris - 2011/6/1 Julien Fastré > The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month > ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that. > > If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate. > > We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th May > (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give his > point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also give > mine... But i am on holiday until monday) > > Julien > > 2011/6/1 Chris Browet > >> >> >>> > See >>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone >>> is >>> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? >>> >>> who ? >>> >> >> Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the >> name. >> >> >>> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration >>> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be >>> asked to support / decide. >>> >>> For example : >>> >>> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ? >>> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to >>> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? >>> >>> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM >> database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? >> They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than >> managing their own... >> >> - Chris - >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > > > -- > Julien FASTRE > http://www.meta-morphoses.be > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
The question of the Belgian Local Chapter was discussed a couple of month ago, but the idea was abandoned because there was no need for that. If someone want to relaunch the idea, I am quite volunteer to associate. We discussed about that after the informal meeting in Liege on the 13th May (drinking a beer /after/ the meeting). Ivo was there: maybe he will give his point of view on the subject. (if I have more time monday, i can also give mine... But i am on holiday until monday) Julien 2011/6/1 Chris Browet > > >> > See >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone >> is >> > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? >> >> who ? >> > > Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the > name. > > >> It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration >> as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be >> asked to support / decide. >> >> For example : >> >> 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ? >> 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to >> have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? >> >> Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM > database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? > They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than managing > their own... > > - Chris - > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
> > > See > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is > > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? > > who ? > Se below, in the list of local chapters. Ivo van den Maagdenberg is the name. > It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration > as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be > asked to support / decide. > > For example : > > 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ? > 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to > have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? > > Thinking aloud, but what about the argument that a filled open OSM database might spare some of Brussels (scarce) money? They could use existing soft (and even infrastructure) rather than managing their own... - Chris - ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
> FYI, at the Hack Democracy Open Data conference, unfortunately, I could not attend > but really to the building shapes. The two are mostly unrelated. good to know. > Of course you can always try to push both ways and see what happens. indeed > I don't remember the specifics, but they also recommended to invoke > two EU directives saying that the public should have access to this > data when making such a request. Inquire directive. I planned to mention it. Thanks for your input. -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Hi Chris > Regarding the attribution, it might be worthwhile to inform them that OSM is > doing this for a number of other sources via the "source" tag. good point. > Might be also interesting to inform them of other cities using "opendata" > licenses (There a number of them in France). I planned to let them know about that. I am following closely what is done around Brest but also in Rennes and Paris. > They will probably ask for a legal representative of OSMF. indeed. THis was the main, unsolvable point when I contacted them 4 years ago. They wanted a legal representative of OSMF in Belgium ! In the UK was not good ! > See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is > (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? who ? > Thinking about it, Belgium has the notion of "Association de fait" > (http://www.belgium.be/fr/economie/entreprise/creation/types_de_societe/associations/). > It has no jurisdictional existence like an ASBL has, but, assuming OSMF > endorsement, it might be a sufficient (and lightweight) way to act as a > representative of the OSMF, which is a legal entity... very good point. > If I can do something to help (I' a brusseleer, too), don't hesitate. thanks. I shall not hesitate. It could be god to also build up the proposal, for the adminsitration as well as for politicians that we could meet too as they could be asked to support / decide. For example : 1/ where OSM could bring a more precise local map (eg. with maposmatic) ? 2/ where the OSM process of citizen contributions (that URBIS tries to have) could be helpful for the local authorities too ? Best regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Hi, FYI, at the Hack Democracy Open Data conference, it was said that it is not necessary to have access to the restricted "P&B" database (which contains the full cadastre) to get access to the building shapes. The other URBIS databases seem to be good enough for that. In other words, you probably shouldn't request access to the "cadastre" (which records many things on terrain owners and has privacy issues), but really to the building shapes. The two are mostly unrelated. Of course you can always try to push both ways and see what happens. I don't remember the specifics, but they also recommended to invoke two EU directives saying that the public should have access to this data when making such a request. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:51, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Thanks for the info > > I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the > URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see > http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to > be allowed to use these data to help OSM. > > I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is > apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a > reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see > http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees). > I want to discuss this and other points > > Mention obligatoire > > L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute > information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est > autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du > support employée pour transmettre les données : > > « Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB » > ou > « Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling & > Copyright CIBG » > ou > « Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB » > > > Urbis could be used to > 1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to > help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not > yet done the job themselves. > 2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ... > > Suggestions welcom. > > Best regards, > > Nicolas > > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Hi, Regarding the attribution, it might be worthwhile to inform them that OSM is doing this for a number of other sources via the "source" tag. Might be also interesting to inform them of other cities using "opendata" licenses (There a number of them in France). They will probably ask for a legal representative of OSMF. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters. Someone is (was?) working on a local chapter for Belgium, apparently? Thinking about it, Belgium has the notion of "Association de fait" ( http://www.belgium.be/fr/economie/entreprise/creation/types_de_societe/associations/). It has no jurisdictional existence like an ASBL has, but, assuming OSMF endorsement, it might be a sufficient (and lightweight) way to act as a representative of the OSMF, which is a legal entity... If I can do something to help (I' a brusseleer, too), don't hesitate. - Chris - On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:51, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Thanks for the info > > I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the > URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see > http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to > be allowed to use these data to help OSM. > > I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is > apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a > reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see > http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees). > I want to discuss this and other points > > Mention obligatoire > > L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute > information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est > autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du > support employée pour transmettre les données : > >« Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB » >ou >« Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling & > Copyright CIBG » >ou >« Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB > » > > > Urbis could be used to > 1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to > help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not > yet done the job themselves. > 2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ... > > Suggestions welcom. > > Best regards, > > Nicolas > > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] OSM stats and URBIS
Thanks for the info I am considering to recontact CIRB, who manages not to say own the URBIS database of Brussels GIS info, including cadastre, ... (see http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis for details) to be allowed to use these data to help OSM. I know that we can have freely (aka gratis) URBIS, but the licence is apparently not compatible with OSM. For any use of URBIS data, a reference to URBIS and CIRB must be made. (see http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/departements/services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees). I want to discuss this and other points Mention obligatoire L'Utilisateur s'engage à indiquer le message suivant sur toute information, programmes d'application ou produit divers qu'il est autorisé à transmettre à un tiers, indépendamment de la forme du support employée pour transmettre les données : « Réalisé avec Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB » ou « Verwezenlijkt door middel van Brussels UrbIS®© - Verdeling & Copyright CIBG » ou « Realized by means of Brussels UrbIS®© - Distribution & Copyright CIRB » Urbis could be used to 1/ check that OSM includes all the streets of URBIS (and conversely to help Urbis a little and show we are nice people ;-) If they have not yet done the job themselves. 2/ add to OSM some info from Urbis (eg: cadastre ... Suggestions welcom. Best regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Hello, it's only a run of the script made by gary68 at : http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/utils/gary68/unmappedplaces.pl after i only split the txt file in 2 basically the script count the number of nodes in a certain distance of the place node (the distance depends of the place type) as described here http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html Definitions City: 4 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 4800/2400 Town: 1 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 400/200 Village: 0.5 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 60/30 Suburb: 0.5 km radius - sparse/unmapped thresholds 60/30 It's not exact and certainly miss a lot of sparsely mapped place (i-e without name, ..) but it's a good indication :) On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 09:56, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > 2011/6/1 eMerzh : >> Hi everybody, here is an update about unmapped places >> >> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ > > thanks > >> (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely mapped) > > how did you build these maps ? > >> as usual the textual report is here >> http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html >> >> btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67 >> sparsely mapped place > > congratulations. How was this done ? On the fields or only with the > help of Bing images ? > > Thanks, > > Nicolas > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
2011/6/1 eMerzh : > Hi everybody, here is an update about unmapped places > > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ thanks > (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely mapped) how did you build these maps ? > as usual the textual report is here > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html > > btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67 > sparsely mapped place congratulations. How was this done ? On the fields or only with the help of Bing images ? Thanks, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Hi everybody, here is an update about unmapped places http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (it's now splitted in 2 layers :unmapped ans sparsely mapped) as usual the textual report is here http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html btw, in the last 18 days we have mapped 33 unmapped place and 67 sparsely mapped place :) On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 14:12, Lennard wrote: > On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote: >> >> Hi, >> the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql >> with data from the 12th april. > > I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length will > sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much lower. > > > -- > Lennard > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
On 14-5-2011 10:20, eMerzh wrote: Hi, the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql with data from the 12th april. I assume you took the projection into account? Plainly doing ST_Length will sum the projected length of the roads. The real length will be much lower. -- Lennard ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:20, eMerzh wrote: > > and the assumed total length is taken from here : > > http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/statistiques/circulation_et_transport/longueur_du_reseau_routier_revetu_en_km.jsp > > This is the one I meant... Cool. Thanks. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Hi, the lenght of osm highway are directly calculated from an osm2pgsql with data from the 12th april. and the assumed total length is taken from here : http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/statistiques/circulation_et_transport/longueur_du_reseau_routier_revetu_en_km.jsp On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:05, Chris Browet wrote: > > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:50, eMerzh wrote: >> >> if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km. >> > Those are highways in the OSM sense, i.e. any roads, right? Out of > curiosity, where did you get that number? > > - Chris - > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Thanks for the excellent information. I'll have a look around Gistel. Georges 2011/5/13 eMerzh > Hi everybody, > > Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium. > > in summary : > > You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html / > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map) > > We have added in 1 week : > > 446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day > 612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day. > > if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km. > > In 1 Month we have mapped : > > 113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them) > 67 Sparsely mapped (there are still 390 of them) > > > If you want to se more go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry > about that) > > > http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29 > > Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job! > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:50, eMerzh wrote: > > if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km. > > Those are highways in the OSM sense, i.e. any roads, right? Out of curiosity, where did you get that number? - Chris - ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
I took this a challenge ;). You can scratch 'Gomery' from the sparsely mapped places. I like this list a lot. When I get bored with my own community, I tend to search for 'empty' spots on the map, an try to bingify them. Your list is a great resource for that! And the OSM stats keep impressing me. Where is the time I downloaded my garmin map of Belgium smaller as 10meg, it's now more as 30... Great work, and keep on mapping! Regards, Peter On 05/13/2011 05:50 PM, eMerzh wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium. > > in summary : > > You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html / > http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map) > > We have added in 1 week : > > 446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day > 612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day. > > if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km. > > In 1 Month we have mapped : > > 113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them) > 67 Sparsely mapped (there are still 390 of them) > > > If you want to se more go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry > about that) > > > http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29 > > Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job! > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] OSM stats
Hi everybody, Today i've compiled some stats about OSM in belgium. in summary : You can see a list of unammped / sparsely mapped village in http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/result.html / http://bmaron.net/osm_stats/unmapped/ (on a map) We have added in 1 week : 446,72 km of highway (w-o track) so 63,81km /day 612,64 km of highway with "track" so 87,5 km/day. if we count that the belgian higways are 118414km long osm miss 29440 km. In 1 Month we have mapped : 113 Unmapped places ( there are still 117 of them) 67 Sparsely mapped (there are still 390 of them) If you want to se more go to my blog page (it's only in fr ... sorry about that) http://blog.bmaron.net/index.php?post/2011/05/13/Stats-OSM-pour-mai-%3A%29 Happy mapping everyone, keep doing great job! ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be