Re[2]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Andre, Saturday, June 12, 2004, 11:13:44 AM, you wrote: AW Hello Graham, AW On 11 Jun 2004 at 18:40:11 +0200 GMT [18:40 CEST] you wrote: GD I was running 0.4g which at least appeared to be working, I just upgraded GD to 0.5.3 and within 2 hours all my mails ended up in the Junk folder. AW When upgrading from 0.4 to 0.5 you need to delete the dictionaries and AW retrain from zero. Then v0.5 works quite fine. I get 99.7% accuracy AW here. Ok, I've deleted the dictionaries, but I still don't get the train option that used to be available in 0.4x. Can you explain how I start training BayesIt -- thank you, Grahammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %language macro crashes TB
Hallo Cyrille, On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:07:51 +0200GMT (14-6-2004, 23:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C Indeed. Using Ctrl-Enter instead of the normal reply button does not C cause these crashes. Strange! But it is rather a workaround than a solution. I agree with that, I did mention it to ritlabs and they responded to it, but as it is a rather vague problem, they couldn't pinpoint the source, so they couldn't fix it. And since I'm more a keyboard that a mouse person C This is a real bug. But it is still difficult to say *when* it C happens. Because it does not happen always, but only in combination C with certain QTs and with the %Language macro. That's the reason the bug isn't easy to fix. C But it is strange that we seem to be the only ones who experienced this C difficulty Yep. But then again, I was pointed to the Ctrl-Enter solution by somebody else as I didn't know that key combo back then. (It's so comfortably close to Ctrl-], that I'm using for next message.) For me the weirdest thing was I hadn't changed any of my templates and all of a sudden TB went crazy, though I believe it was after an update. That was the reason that my sister kept using an old version. She's not a computer person, so I have to take of upgrades for her. I updated her TB only when there was a Dutch interface, but that was quite synchronized with the older versions. RO Since then I RO disabled the main toolbar and gotten used to not using it. C What do you mean with disable the toolbar? Do you mean simply not to C *display* it? Yep. But recently on my new computer I haven't disabled it, nor did I use it. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
serial number and checksum for TheBat
Hello BatPhiles I was just reinstalling TheBat (yet again)and thought I might do it 'clean and new'...ie a new install, and without resorting to restoration of data from a Backup However...I ran into a problem with registration: I have my registration(serial) number but I don't have a checksum number recorded anywhere So..how do you get around this ..if you do a clean/new instal, you have your serial number...but no other data?? I have a feeling this has been discussed before, but... (PS No 'runtime' or 'error reading database' messages in the last few hours...;-) -- Regards, Steve Lovemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 17:41 Tuesday, 15 June 2004 Using The Bat! v2.11.02 (Protocol:usually IMAP) on Windows 98 4.10 Build B Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: serial number and checksum for TheBat
Hallo SL, On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:46:08 +1000GMT (15-6-2004, 9:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: S However...I ran into a problem with registration: I have my S registration(serial) number but I don't have a checksum number S recorded anywhere Well, the serial number is not the same as the registration key. Both the registration key and the checksum have sent to you in a message. S So..how do you get around this ..if you do a clean/new instal, you S have your serial number...but no other data?? If I'd do a clean install even without importing my old messagebase (I can hardly imagine that) I'd first export my registration mail to .msg, so that I could import it in the new install. An other option would be to save the registration key from the registry. S I have a feeling this has been discussed before, but... Yep. In case you've really lost it, try to send a message to ritlabs, they might be able to help. S (PS No 'runtime' or 'error reading database' messages in the last few S hours...;-) Good for you. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
Hello, (I use TB 2.11.02 and Bayesit 0.5.5) Can I use Black and White lists with Bayesit plugIn of the bat ? Because auto spam filtering seems to not work correctly (more than 1000 mails evaluated and no amelioration).I can't find help for parameters of the plug in and I just want to burn or to authorize e-mail addresses. Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I can't find good translation of theses words found in the Plug In (I've turned TB on French language but these terms are not translated) : -kludges -Use white list of kludges (and edit list button) -number of ranking tokens -Out of 100 score to be used for actions below : Average/maximal/minimal -Use enhanced evaluation Of course I don't ask for a simple translation but I hope I can find explain and a What for it is. I thank you for your help. WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Downloading e-mail on to second computer
Way back in August 2003 I inquired about how to set up The Bat on a laptop, download e-mail from the server, and, eventually, transfer all of the downloaded e-mail to the pre-exising Bat file on my desktop. Alie's response clued me in to synchronization. Well, after 10 months, I am just getting around to setting up The Bat on the laptop, and I am running into a problem in just trying to copy the_bat_o.exe file to the laptop. When I run the setup file, I get the following error message when I attempt to install The Bat to the c:\program directory: cannot access directory \\DESKTOP\THE BAT!\MAI Why would it try to access the desktop? And, even though a Bat subdirectory was created within the program directory, when I attemtp to click on the bat.exe file, I get the same error message. Why? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, please copy any response to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as well. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ~~( __ _o Was Tue, 15 Jun 2004, at 13:47:13 +0200, @ @ when WilWilWil wrote: Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I can't find good translation of theses words found in the Plug In (I've turned TB on French language but these terms are not translated) : -kludges Just a partial answer, on most tricky term I ever encountered in TB, and as I know not well known even amongst native English speakers: actually *anything* in header(s) area of a message. You can see this, usually hidden, part of a message, when you do Ctrl+Shift+K (or by right-click on preview pane and selecting RFC-822 headers). - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast Antispam | 10 spam letters in last 34 h. o | 216 non-spam letters in last 34 h. y | By BayesIt! 0.5.5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAzuW09q62QPd3XuIRAmbXAJ9ZEvBOfcy6qpeKkfUomP1Q0mgPPgCdGspm DL1HqGJLMZDLI86LFUDmx24= =1bnv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Graham, On 15 Jun 2004 at 09:04:30 +0200 GMT [09:04 CEST] you wrote: GD Ok, I've deleted the dictionaries, but I still don't get the train option GD that used to be available in 0.4x. GD Can you explain how I start training BayesIt The only remaining way is to use Specials- Mark as Junk/ Mark as not Junk. Mark some mails and then use these menu entries to train bayesit. -- Cheers, Andre Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family. Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 7:47:13 AM, you wrote: W Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I W can't find good translation of these words... Listen, Wilwilwil, I'm a poor English-speaking woman and I can't fathom what these things mean either! I used to think 'kludge' was something like Rube Goldberg art where you put odd things together to make them work in a way in which they were not intended! (clear as mud?) But in the computer world, words like 'kluge' and 'protocol' are for special, discrete cases and they mean something very specific. I left the Opera list after someone whose native language was not English, but who knew a lot about computing, yelled at me for wanting to develop protocols. I was using that term to mean taking specific steps to achieve a result, not anything to do with programming! So, don't worry, you're not alone! :) W Of course I don't ask for a simple translation but I hope I can W find explain and a What for it is. I look forward to learn from the answers to these questions, too! -- Cheers! Maggie Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
Hi, On Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 1:47:13 PM, WilWilWil wrote: Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I can't find good translation of theses words found in the Plug In (I've turned TB on French language but these terms are not translated) : You can have a good translation of BayesIt there : http://www.spidmail.net/tb/BayesIt.lng -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: serial number and checksum for TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello SL, On 15 June 2004, 17:46 +1000 (08:46 local time) SL [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S So..how do you get around this ..if you do a clean/new instal, you S have your serial number...but no other data?? You can't. You really should keep the original message for future reference, print it and keep it somewhere safe, or use a utility like PINs to keep registration information safe. S I have a feeling this has been discussed before, but... Yes, 16/05/2004. You'll have to contact Ritlabs about a new key... see http://www.ritlabs.com/en/about/contacts.php for details. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.04 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQM8eMDknq5PWREYNEQLdOgCg/KQMPFEQuLqiY590+f6adJ/MYfYAoPak XTUvE+Mfm/rTl4SK7P7kfRuN =lxRm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 7:01:20 PM, you wrote: Hallo Charles, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:32:19 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CMG I like the other person's suggestion more: Bottom of the screen, and it CMG can be right clicked to switch accounts just like Apple Mail. That won't help you when you've got 30 or 40 addresses all handled by the same account. How is that possible? I used to work with two accounts, both with the same account address, but with one account strictly for archiving purposes. My main account had about 30 or 40 addresses that it handled. Two weeks ago I got myself a new pc and only my main account got copied to this system. I'm not sure how to handle my archiving now. (I'm still archiving stuff at my server, though.) Is that by requesting two copies of everything you intend to receive? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
M Listen, Wilwilwil, I'm a poor English-speaking woman and I can't M fathom what these things mean either! I used to think 'kludge' was M something like Rube Goldberg art where you put odd things together to M make them work in a way in which they were not intended! (clear as M mud?) But in the computer world, words like 'kluge' and 'protocol' are M for special, discrete cases and they mean something very specific. ok, kludges are headers. If you are reading mail, hit CONTROL-SHIFT-K and it will change and show you all the normally invisible headers ( kludges). magic!! M I M left the Opera list after someone whose native language was not M English, but who knew a lot about computing, yelled at me for wanting M to develop protocols. I was using that term to mean taking specific M steps to achieve a result, not anything to do with programming! So, M don't worry, you're not alone! :) he had no right to yell, even if he was a moderator, which I doubt :) W Of course I don't ask for a simple translation but I hope I can W find explain and a What for it is. M I look forward to learn from the answers to these questions, too! go head, ask! If I can't answer it ( probably) I learn by looking it up! keeps my head clean and sharp! -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.11.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Apr2004 (4.1.412) (avast! version number) 0425-0 (14.06.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.412 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
On Tue 15 June 2004, 21:47:13 +1000, Wilwilwil wrote: Hello, (I use TB 2.11.02 and Bayesit 0.5.5) Can I use Black and White lists with Bayesit plugIn of the bat ? Because auto spam filtering seems to not work correctly (more than 1000 mails evaluated and no amelioration).I can't find help for parameters of the plug in and I just want to burn or to authorize e-mail addresses. If the Bayesit plugin is not working for you, why not try a different program. I use Popfile with great success (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/) and it has a French page at http://popfile.sourceforge.net/manual/fr/manual.html. Others have found K9 very good (http://keir.net/k9.html) and it has black and white lists available. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quoting in Forward
I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown annoying enough to post here. When I forward a message, TB insists on *quoting* the message (preceding each line with ) AND using the forward template I have set up. This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template. I end up deleting the redundant quoted text every time I forward a message. My Forward template looks like this: [begin template] %Cursor -- %QINCLUDE=kmgsig ==forwarded message=== From: %OFromName %OFromAddr To: %OToList Date: %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn Subject: %OSubj %Text End of forwarded message== [end template] I've tried inserting %Clear in the template to no avail. Is this a known problem? Is there something else I can do? Does this happen to anyone else? Thanks. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
On Wed 16 June 2004, 6:27:37 +1000, Ken Green wrote: I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown annoying enough to post here. When I forward a message, TB insists on *quoting* the message (preceding each line with ) AND using the forward template I have set up. This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template. ...snip... Is this a known problem? Is there something else I can do? Does this happen to anyone else? This is not a problem I experience. My forwarding templates simply work as you are wanting yours to. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello ken, On 15 June 2004, 15:27 -0500 (21:27 local time) ken green [KG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KG I don't recall how many versions I have noticed this, but it's grown KG annoying enough to post here. When I forward a message, TB insists on KG *quoting* the message (preceding each line with ) AND using the KG forward template I have set up. Just to confirm... are you saying you see the original message quoted _and_ again repeated by your forward template? My forward template works correctly and is essentially the same as yours. The only difference is you use a quick template for you signature. What happens if you remove '%QINCLUDE=kmgsig'? ,- | Hello %CAPITALFIRST='%TOFNAME', | | %CURSOR | | | -- | My signature etc. incl. PGP options | - Original Message - | From: %OFromName %OFromAddr | To: %OToList | Date: %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn | Subject: %OSubj | | %Text `- ...snip - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.12 Beta/1 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQM9wqzknq5PWREYNEQLa9ACg3D8FNI3V1nfNXe2oesghRZL0YiQAoMQO PVsZeGJZbReG1a2tLH3VWuzt =0+RO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
Hello ken, This happens whether I use %Text or %Quotes in my Forward template. I end up deleting the redundant quoted text every time I forward a message. My Forward template looks like this: When you say My Forward template I assume you are referring to your _account_ folder template, correct? Are you sure you don't have any folder or address book forward templates that may be different? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
Martin Webster wrote: My forward template works correctly and is essentially the same as yours. The only difference is you use a quick template for you signature. What happens if you remove '%QINCLUDE=kmgsig'? I am such... a moron. Guess what's at the bottom of that sig file?: %IF:%Quotes:%- -Original Message- From: %OFROMNAME [%OFROMADDR] Sent: %ODATE %OTIME Subject: %OSUBJ %Quotes I put that there a long time ago because I was having problems with reply text disappearing when in the editor. When I replied to a message and started typing, then invoked kmgsig, the quoted text disappeared. So I added that if clause to my sig file. Duh! Anyone know how to avoid BOTH problems? I can fix my sig file so that forwards won't have the duplicated text, but I will still have the quoted text in Replies disappear when switching signatures via QT. Unfortunately, the disappearing problem also happens when switching accounts because that signature is associated with an account. Am I doing something wrong? It seem like the %ISSIGNATURE is almost useless if limited by what I'm describing. My signatures aren't very complicated. I just prefer to make things as atomic as I can, and having a sig in one place is the best way to go, IMO. Thanks for the quick replies. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
ken green wrote: Am I doing something wrong? It seem like the %ISSIGNATURE is almost useless if limited by what I'm describing. Actually, using %ISSIGNATURE in a Reply template wipes out all quoted text. That is, simply hitting Reply (even partial quoting w/ F4) results in message with no quoted text if %ISSIGNATURE is part of that account. That can't be by design. Why would %ISSIGNATURE wipe out text that is already there? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoting in Forward
ken green wrote: I am such... a moron. I'm not completely sure what I was doing, but I seem to have gotten everything working now. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 6:47:13 AM, you wrote: W Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I can't find W good translation of theses words found in the Plug In (I've turned TB on French W language but these terms are not translated) : W-kludges W-Use white list of kludges (and edit list button) W-number of ranking tokens W-Out of 100 score to be used for actions below : Average/maximal/minimal W-Use enhanced evaluation Try typing any unknown terms into this website: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hallo Adam, On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:12:56 -0230GMT (15-6-2004, 20:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: That won't help you when you've got 30 or 40 addresses all handled by the same account. A How is that possible? TB can handle it all right, you can do it by changing the from address manually, by means of folderr identities (that's what I'm doing) or by means of the %From= macro in your templates. The rest is to convince your serverto send for for all of those addresses via one account. As I'm running my own server, that's easy. copied to this system. I'm not sure how to handle my archiving now. (I'm still archiving stuff at my server, though.) A Is that by requesting two copies of everything you intend to receive? No my server has an archiving feature, that I'm using to create monthly archives of all mal that's passing it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
