[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Ya Ya, 
 

> This is awesome. However, 'sliders' seems not work. Or, I need to install 
> other thing for it?
>

Can you be more specific about what exactly you were trying to do and in 
which way it's failing? And yes, to use the extended tag filters of 
*MatchTagsPlugin* you need to install it first, if that's what you mean. ;-)

Tobias. 

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Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jan,

Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull. 
> I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags.
>

Great news! ;-)

One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an 
> order in the pop-up.
> For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the 
> alphabetical order of the is very comfortable.
> For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it would 
> be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig.
>

This has been discussed by *PMario *a while ago. Personally, I don't see 
that as a functionality of *TagSearchPlugin*. Instead, what you want in 
order for a consistent experience is to *always* retrieve those tagging 
tiddlers in your custom order whenever a plugin or the core asks for them, 
i.e. also in the sidebar.

So what is needed is some code that hijacks *store.getTaggedTiddlers()* and 
returns them based on some sort criteria rather than the current core 
mechanism for that. I imagine there could be a *order.tagging* field at the 
tiddler being the tag holding the information of all tiddlers that actually 
have been ordered, with all new and unordered ones being put at the end.

There could be some UI in the EditTemplate. For starters, this field could 
be all manual and populated with current tags when opening the tag in 
EditMode. This means, that at the point where you want a custom order, your 
tag definitely needs to become a tiddler and not just be a tag.

For example you the UI could show a number next to each tag...

[X] Tagging Order (Enable / Disable)

[1] Foo
[2] Bar
[3] Baz

Changing the number for *Bar* from 2 to 1 would resort the list and save 
the *order.tagging *field as follows...

[[Bar]] [[Foo]] [[Baz]]

Saving changes to this field could be generally ignored so long as you have 
not modified it yet, i.e. you don't care about defining a custom order. So, 
hitting the enable / disable button would not only toggle a panel showing 
the numbering but essentially remove the *order.tagging* field unless you 
specifically want it.

Anyhow, this code is out of scope for *TagSearchPlugin *and should be 
something for a new plugin perhaps called *TagOrderPlugin*.

Extending this functionality to tags via some *order.tags* field (and not 
only *order.**tagging*) would also remedy the fact that, due to indexing 
purposes, tags in TiddlySpace are always stored alphabetically, which 
sometimes really is not what you want / need... and actually broke some of 
the now outdated behaviour of *ColoredLinksPlugin *(being replaced by 
*PaintrPlugin*).

Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Ya Ya]

This is awesome. However, 'sliders' seems not work. Or, I need to install 
other thing for it?

On Friday, November 8, 2013 3:10:25 AM UTC+8, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I've spent a while looking at the examples and studying the 
>> ListOfParameters, but as a novice TW user it's a bit too much for my small 
>> brain to take in.
>>
>
> Well, it's quite straight forward. The parameters you look for are 
> meaningfully called *sliders *and *filter*.
>  
>
>> Could I trouble you for a more specific example of combining 
>> MatchedTagsPlugin and GetPlugin? I think maybe I'm being too 
>> ambitious/demanding expecting to be able to do this as a "newbie". No 
>> worries if you're too busy!
>>
>
> I created an example that shows you how *GetPlugin* works with the 
> extended tag filter of *MatchTagsPlugin* to possibly output what you're 
> looking for...
>
> http://get.tiddlyspace.com/#MatchTags
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday, Nov 7th, 2013

[Måns]

Hi Eric

Thank you for helping me with my "alternative image path fallback issue" in 
Firefox. Now it works well (images are shown) both in my fET.tables and in 
my list templates. :-D (

Don't know how/where to post a feature request for being able to specfy 
fallbacks for missing fieldvalues - like the instance where a tiddler is 
missing  when using store.getTiddlerText("MissingTiddler","FallbackText")

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Den fredag den 8. november 2013 00.05.16 UTC+1 skrev Eric Shulman:
>
> TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 is LIVE NOW!
>
> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpi303rauuuips8o7tnqsn58
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> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:07:42 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> The TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic offers LIVE online video chat discussions, 
>> walk-throughs, immediate, real-time help with all aspects of TiddlyWiki 
>> Classic.  Ask questions and get solutions to problems you are having, 
>> suggest improvements to "core" features, learn about TiddlyWiki Classic 
>> formatting, configuration, macros, styles/themes, plugins... and more!
>>
>> The next TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic, hosted on Google Hangout, will be 
>> held on:
>>
>>Thursday, November 7th, 2013, 3pm-5pm Pacific Daylight Time (GMT-7).
>>
>> I will post a link to the Hangout HERE, shortly before it is scheduled to 
>> begin.
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
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Re: [tw] [TW5] How to create a list of blocked or unblocked tasks?

[Arkady Grudzinsky]

I was about to ask how to create a list of tasks not tagged with other
tasks, but I have figured it out:

[tag[task]!tag[done]] -[tag[task]tagging[]]


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

>
> I'm glad it's making sense for you. If you're enjoying it I would
> encourage you to spread the word as far as you can - TW5 needs the oxygen
> of popularity to survive.
>

Tiddlywiki is a great way to keep records of information with complex
relationships.

I have tried various flavors of "MindMapping" software - Freemind, XMind,
CMapTools, TheBrain.  They are useful, but limited and tend to grow too
cumbersome as more functionality is added.

I also tried many different task management systems: Todoist, Google tasks,
task (a console text-based Linux application, very powerful, BTW), GTG,
Evolution, various Firefox add-ons.  In most of them, it's difficult to
create links between tasks/projects/contexts/contacts/emails/files etc.  I
like simple systems like "hipster PDA" which is just a stack of index
cards.  But with index cards, planning projects is difficult.  I can sort a
stack of cards by priority, but I cannot place same card into multiple
stacks grouped by contact/context/project.  Linking an index card to
computer files or emails is, of course, difficult.

TW5 seems unsurpassed in its flexibility while using a very minimal
interface.  It resembles a stack of index cards while allowing to group and
sort these cards as needed.

I do spread the word as much as I can.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday, Nov 7th, 2013

[Eric Shulman]

TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 is LIVE NOW!

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpi303rauuuips8o7tnqsn58

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:07:42 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:

> The TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic offers LIVE online video chat discussions, 
> walk-throughs, immediate, real-time help with all aspects of TiddlyWiki 
> Classic.  Ask questions and get solutions to problems you are having, 
> suggest improvements to "core" features, learn about TiddlyWiki Classic 
> formatting, configuration, macros, styles/themes, plugins... and more!
>
> The next TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic, hosted on Google Hangout, will be held 
> on:
>
>Thursday, November 7th, 2013, 3pm-5pm Pacific Daylight Time (GMT-7).
>
> I will post a link to the Hangout HERE, shortly before it is scheduled to 
> begin.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[PVHL]

@Devin Well done. I completely forgot to mention Java security settings, 
though I spent quite a while playing with them myself before things worked. 
Aging brain.
 
@all This page tests if a Java applet (unsigned) will 
runon your current browser settings, 
tells you the version if it works, and 
gives some hints as to why if it doesn't. Another site that won't work with 
the Java update coming in the new year!
 
To quote the above page:

*YOUR BROWSER LIES: *Java 7 Update 10 introduced a new checkbox that 
disables the use of Java in all browsers. By and large, this is a good 
thing, but there seems to be a failure to communicate between Java and many 
web browsers. As a result, all the browsers I have tried so far incorrectly 
report that Java is not installed when, in fact, it may be installed but 
this new security feature has been enabled. Just an FYI.

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Re: [tw] [TW5] How to create a list of blocked or unblocked tasks?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Arkady

Yess!  This is exactly what I was looking for.
>
> I don't quite understand how the "tagging[]" condition works.  It looks
> like filters preceeding the "tagging[]" apply to the tag tiddlers and
> filters following "tagging[]" apply to the list tiddlers themselves.  Is it
> correct?
>

The tagging filter replaces the currently accumulated tiddlers with any
tiddlers that they are tagging. I'm afraid it only makes sense with a
rather careful and specific reading the very similar English words tag,
tags, tagging, tagged etc.


>  Thank you very much!
>

I'm glad it's making sense for you. If you're enjoying it I would encourage
you to spread the word as far as you can - TW5 needs the oxygen of
popularity to survive.

Many thanks,

Jeremy.


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Fundraising

[Måns]

Hi Eric

Great document.
I've had a very bad concience for a couple of years  - because I really 
wanted to contribute to your tip jar, however my personal economic 
situation has been very bad too - and my own TiddlyWiki work hasn't really 
given me any extra personal income - even if it has helped me a lot - both 
professionally (I'm a teacher) and for personal (hobby) use.

Your writeup on how a little funding from "one percent" of the members 
might be able to fund your work to a great extent - and how this document - 
documents your never ending inclination to work for the community - if in 
anyway financially possible - has made me become both a "one time tipper" 
(25$) and setup a one-year pledge (gold: 30$ pr. month)...

Thanks for being there for all of us.

Great job!

Cheers Måns Mårtensson


Den mandag den 4. november 2013 12.14.37 UTC+1 skrev Eric Shulman:
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> Greetings TiddlyFriends!
>
> Open source projects combine the skills and resources of a community for 
> the benefit of the entire group.  In addition to active, spontaneous 
> participation, most open source projects also need some essential technical 
> resources and a small dedicated core group of "key contributors" as well as 
> real operating funds in order to maintain the systems, services, and people 
> that keep the project alive and thriving.
>
> Unfortunately, many open source projects are seriously underfunded, and 
> TiddlyWiki is no exception to that pattern.  As Thanksgiving and the 
> Winter season holidays are fast approaching, now is a good time to give 
> thanks and add your favorite open source project (TiddlyWiki, of course!) 
> to your gift giving plans.
>
> To avoid the "TL;DR effect" (too long; didn't read) of a long online post, 
> I've written a TiddlyWiki Classic document that provides some background 
> information about the current funding situation and suggest some practical 
> goals for generating revenue through "community funding" strategies.
>
> It's posted here: http://tiddlytools.github.com/fundraising.html 
>
> Please read this document at your earliest opportunity, and then make a 
> donation 
> (http://tiddlytools.github.com/fundraising.html#MakeADonation)
>  that 
> reflects your own sense of the real-world value of the benefits that you've 
> actually received. Whether you can afford to donate just a small amount 
> every now and then, or make a regular monthly pledge or even a generous 
> lump-sum contribution, if enough people in donate on a consistent basis, I 
> believe it can add up to an amount capable of supporting all the needs of 
> the TiddlyWiki community.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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Re: [tw] [TW5] How to create a list of blocked or unblocked tasks?

[Arkady Grudzinsky]

Jeremy,

This is awesome! Thanks a lot!

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Arkady
>
> I don't think it's currently possible to filter for your postponed tasks;
> as discussed previously, we'd need a new filter operator that allows
> comparisons.
>

I understand.  For now, I created a list of postponed tasks grouped by
"start" date and delete the "start" field manually each day.  To do that, I
customized the "sameday.js" filter to use "start" field instead of
"modified" and added the new filter as "samestartday".  Works for me.
Actually, moving tasks from "postponed" to "active" manually makes me
review them at the same time.

!Postponed Tasks
<$list
filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[task]!tag[done]has[start]sort[start]eachday[start]]"
itemClass="tw-menu-list-item">''
<$view field="start" format="date" template="DDth MMM "/>''
<$list
filter="[!tag[done]samestartday{!!start}sort[created]!sort[priority]]"
itemClass="tw-menu-list-subitem"> <$checkbox tag="done">
<$view field="priority"/>
<$view field="title" format="link"/>





> Anyhow, this gives us tiddlers tagged task that are not done:
>
> [tag[task]!tag[done]]
>
> This gives us all the tiddlers tagged with tiddlers that are tagged task
> that are not done:
>
> [tag[task]!tag[done]tagging[]]
>
> We can further filter for tiddlers that are themselves tasks:
>
> [tag[task]!tag[done]tagging[]tag[task]]
>
>
Yess!  This is exactly what I was looking for.

I don't quite understand how the "tagging[]" condition works.  It looks
like filters preceeding the "tagging[]" apply to the tag tiddlers and
filters following "tagging[]" apply to the list tiddlers themselves.  Is it
correct?

 Thank you very much!


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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 $view format question

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:43:24 PM UTC-8, Bob Robison wrote:

> also wish the TiddlyWiki IRC channel was a bit more active, or that there 
> was some other open chat area that was a good place to post quick questions 
> in a more interactive venue.
>

Both Jeremy and I host Google Hangouts (live video chat with 
screensharing).  Jeremy's "TiddlyWiki Hangouts" are on Tuesdays at 4pm UDT. 
 My "TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic" Hangouts are on Thursdays, 3pm Pacific Time 
(UDT-8).

The next TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic is going to start in about 20 minutes or 
so

I will be posting a link when it's up and running... please join us there 
for a live, interactive TiddlyWiki discussion and help session.

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 $view format question

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bob

I've gone through phases of using IRC, but usually end up finding it a bit
distracting to have it constantly running in the background. Maybe it's
time I gave it another go - I mostly manage to avoid getting drawn into
Twitter, despite having it running all the time.

I sympathise with the documentation issues. My main aim at the moment is to
try to make five.tiddlywiki.com a readable, definitive reference for the
new stuff. Helping with documentation is one of the least glamorous but
most appreciated ways to help open source projects, if you're able to lend
a hand.

Best wishes

Jeremy




On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Bob Robison  wrote:

> Ah -- OK, I saw your comment above about the inline/block mode, but didn't
> fully grasp the signficance of the whitespace.  I also *thought* I had
> clean syntax there and didn't realize I had the extra spaces after one of
> my entries.  Taking that out cleared that up, thanks.
>
> I've been a bit frustrated as I've tried to dig through the various
> examples -- trying to determine which things correspond to
> TiddlyWikiClassic, which to TW5, and which things only make sense in the
> TiddlySpace context.  I'm slowly piecing it together, but wish there was a
> cleaner place for searching out some of these questions.  I do also wish
> the TiddlyWiki IRC channel was a bit more active, or that there was some
> other open chat area that was a good place to post quick questions in a
> more interactive venue.
>
> Thank you for responding to this dumb question so quickly!
> bob
>
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:30:55 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob
>>
>> The problem is that you've got some space characters immediately
>> following the <$view field="text" format="wikified"/> widget. Anything
>> other than a newline immediately after the opening tag of a widget (or html
>> element) causes it's content to be parsed in inline mode, rather than block
>> mode.
>>
>> So, the fix is to remove the spaces, and ensure that the /> characters
>> are immediately followed by a newline.
>>
>> The rules for this stuff are too complex and fiddly. It's not addressed
>> in the current widget refactoring, but it will be fixed soon,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Bob Robison  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm... This is almost exactly what I'm trying to do as well, but still
>>> having problems.
>>>  have:
>>>
>>> !! To Do List
>>> <$list filter="[tag[todo]]" >
>>>
>>> <$view field="title" format="link"/>
>>> <$view  field="text" format="wikified"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> When I have a tiddler tagged todo that has a bulleted list, this does
>>> not seem to be wikified the way I would expect.  I just get asterisks
>>> followed by the text with all lines run together.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?  I tried with and without the semi-colons previously
>>> suggested, I'm not sure of the significance of that.
>>>
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Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? TagSearch, x-plore: Great plugins, great Support.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Tobi.
Thanks for your great support. Now the two plugins work wonderfull.
I can only recommend TagSearch for everybody with a systematic Set of Tags.

One Small wish is left. It would be wonderfull it was possible to set an 
order in the pop-up.
For your usecase of tbGTD the current order which is produced by the 
alphabetical order of the is very comfortable.
For those who don't want to add a prefix for readability reasons, it 
would be a nice alternative to be able to order them in the TagSearchConfig.


Again Many thanks
Jan


Am 07.11.2013 14:09, schrieb Tobias Beer:


I would be delighted  if I was able to show your great
Tagging-Addon in the EditMode. This would have two big advantages.
- I would prefer to have a slim toolbar in the ViewMode.
- In the EditMode users are more aware of the relevance of tags.
As I would like to share the collection I am doing with other
users, I would prefer if only those who knew what tags do touch them.


I see, use tagging but only have it visible as needed.

the xplore-Tagging furnishes information which is especially
valuable while I am editing ( tiddlers linking and tagging to the
tiddler), so I would like to have the button to display it there.
Shall I post a feature request for these whishes?


I see, this makes sense. Whil I just added an issue here...

https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/68

...it turns out you were not using the latest version of x-plore as 
can be found at...


http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#x-plore

So, it looks like that version does work properly in EditMode.

I don't know whether TagSearch really works in my TW- The Span
called "Typ" you see on the left of the toolbar is still produces
by the the x-tagger-plugin, the button for TagSearch at the moment
is placed on the right of the Toolbar.


I see, mhhh. I have no idea why the *tagSearch* toolbar command fails 
to find the handler. Perhaps you have some legacy CoreTweaks or such 
installed that prevents the *tagSearch* toolbar command from working 
properly?


I wanted to change to TagSearch because of the better
possibilities of configuration and because of the sticky behaviour
which would be very practical when meditating about a set of tags.


Sure. As a workaround, if I add this in the toolbar section in the 
*ViewTemplate* of your *SmartTheme* it works fine...




I have already tried to implement the Tag-Dropdown-Menu of
Delicious Tagging but it would not work-That ist to say it
produced a long field of all my tags.  I thought it needs prefixes
to function correctly.


Actually, you don't need prefixes. All you should have to do is to 
point to the tag category section such as 
*TagSearchConfig##Tags* using something like this in a *zzConfig*...


|
config.macros.deliciousTagging.catList ='TagSearchConfig##Tags';
|

Tobias.
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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[Devin Richards]

So I just realized that the pop-up I am seeing is NOT from Chrome, but Java 
so I opened with Windows Java Control Panel  and then on the Security tab I 
set security to Medium and now it prompts me to load the TiddlySaver.jar.

Yeah! it works!

HTH



On Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:37:11 PM UTC-5, Devin Richards wrote:
>
> @PVHL I don't have a local policy file, just the one global, and I can't 
> imagine that Win7 Ent is that different from Win7 Pro. Did I read that you 
> were using a portable apps version of either TW or Chrome? I wonder if this 
> makes a difference? Would UAC settings affect this? I am bothered by the 
> fact that in the Java security pop-up the name of the file is just 
> "file://" it does not point to the Jar.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:22:02 PM UTC-5, PVHL wrote:
>>
>> @Tobias No obstacle; one has been created, though I haven't had time to 
>> test it with old java versions yet. The problem is that Oracle introduced a 
>> bug in the last Java update that stops it running if signed as noted in my 
>> Nov 4th post. The bug 
>> reportis demonstrated 
>> here , though they've 
>> closed the report as not reproducible -- I can reproduce it (Win 7 
>> enterprise), but can't see a way to comment on the Oracle site. They say it 
>> will work in update 51, but 51 will also stop unsigned jars working and 
>> requires manifest entries that I'm still researching. Hoping to have to 
>> have a signed jar that will work in the future updates rather than having 
>> one now that creates a flurry of "doesn't work" reports. Do you feel I 
>> should upload a signed jar for people to test that won't work in the next 
>> Java update? Let me know. I won't have time to do further work on this 
>> until I finish work elsewhere (hopefully on the weekend).
>>  
>> @Devin I wonder if your system policy settings are being overridden 
>> by your user policy file? As stated, I'm no expert in Java security and 
>> policy file use. I'm also wondering if WIn7 Enterprise uses policy files 
>> differently from other versions. I can't look into this at present.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 $view format question

[Bob Robison]

Ah -- OK, I saw your comment above about the inline/block mode, but didn't 
fully grasp the signficance of the whitespace.  I also *thought* I had 
clean syntax there and didn't realize I had the extra spaces after one of 
my entries.  Taking that out cleared that up, thanks.  

I've been a bit frustrated as I've tried to dig through the various 
examples -- trying to determine which things correspond to 
TiddlyWikiClassic, which to TW5, and which things only make sense in the 
TiddlySpace context.  I'm slowly piecing it together, but wish there was a 
cleaner place for searching out some of these questions.  I do also wish 
the TiddlyWiki IRC channel was a bit more active, or that there was some 
other open chat area that was a good place to post quick questions in a 
more interactive venue.

Thank you for responding to this dumb question so quickly!
bob

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:30:55 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Bob
>
> The problem is that you've got some space characters immediately following 
> the <$view field="text" format="wikified"/> widget. Anything other than a 
> newline immediately after the opening tag of a widget (or html element) 
> causes it's content to be parsed in inline mode, rather than block mode.
>
> So, the fix is to remove the spaces, and ensure that the /> characters are 
> immediately followed by a newline.
>
> The rules for this stuff are too complex and fiddly. It's not addressed in 
> the current widget refactoring, but it will be fixed soon,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Bob Robison 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hmm... This is almost exactly what I'm trying to do as well, but still 
>> having problems.
>>  have:
>>
>> !! To Do List
>> <$list filter="[tag[todo]]" >
>>
>> <$view field="title" format="link"/>
>> <$view  field="text" format="wikified"/>   
>> 
>>
>> When I have a tiddler tagged todo that has a bulleted list, this does not 
>> seem to be wikified the way I would expect.  I just get asterisks followed 
>> by the text with all lines run together.
>>
>> What am I missing?  I tried with and without the semi-colons previously 
>> suggested, I'm not sure of the significance of that.
>>
>> bob
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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[Devin Richards]

@PVHL I don't have a local policy file, just the one global, and I can't 
imagine that Win7 Ent is that different from Win7 Pro. Did I read that you 
were using a portable apps version of either TW or Chrome? I wonder if this 
makes a difference? Would UAC settings affect this? I am bothered by the 
fact that in the Java security pop-up the name of the file is just 
"file://" it does not point to the Jar.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:22:02 PM UTC-5, PVHL wrote:
>
> @Tobias No obstacle; one has been created, though I haven't had time to 
> test it with old java versions yet. The problem is that Oracle introduced a 
> bug in the last Java update that stops it running if signed as noted in my 
> Nov 4th post. The bug 
> reportis demonstrated 
> here , though they've closed 
> the report as not reproducible -- I can reproduce it (Win 7 enterprise), 
> but can't see a way to comment on the Oracle site. They say it will work in 
> update 51, but 51 will also stop unsigned jars working and requires 
> manifest entries that I'm still researching. Hoping to have to have a 
> signed jar that will work in the future updates rather than having one now 
> that creates a flurry of "doesn't work" reports. Do you feel I should 
> upload a signed jar for people to test that won't work in the next Java 
> update? Let me know. I won't have time to do further work on this until I 
> finish work elsewhere (hopefully on the weekend).
>  
> @Devin I wonder if your system policy settings are being overridden 
> by your user policy file? As stated, I'm no expert in Java security and 
> policy file use. I'm also wondering if WIn7 Enterprise uses policy files 
> differently from other versions. I can't look into this at present.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 $view format question

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bob

The problem is that you've got some space characters immediately following
the <$view field="text" format="wikified"/> widget. Anything other than a
newline immediately after the opening tag of a widget (or html element)
causes it's content to be parsed in inline mode, rather than block mode.

So, the fix is to remove the spaces, and ensure that the /> characters are
immediately followed by a newline.

The rules for this stuff are too complex and fiddly. It's not addressed in
the current widget refactoring, but it will be fixed soon,

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Bob Robison  wrote:

> Hmm... This is almost exactly what I'm trying to do as well, but still
> having problems.
>  have:
>
> !! To Do List
> <$list filter="[tag[todo]]" >
>
> <$view field="title" format="link"/>
> <$view  field="text" format="wikified"/>
> 
>
> When I have a tiddler tagged todo that has a bulleted list, this does not
> seem to be wikified the way I would expect.  I just get asterisks followed
> by the text with all lines run together.
>
> What am I missing?  I tried with and without the semi-colons previously
> suggested, I'm not sure of the significance of that.
>
> bob
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[tw] Re: TW5 $view format question

[Bob Robison]

Hmm... This is almost exactly what I'm trying to do as well, but still 
having problems.
 have:

!! To Do List
<$list filter="[tag[todo]]" >
<$view field="title" format="link"/>
<$view  field="text" format="wikified"/>   


When I have a tiddler tagged todo that has a bulleted list, this does not 
seem to be wikified the way I would expect.  I just get asterisks followed 
by the text with all lines run together.

What am I missing?  I tried with and without the semi-colons previously 
suggested, I'm not sure of the significance of that.

bob

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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[PVHL]

@Tobias No obstacle; one has been created, though I haven't had time to 
test it with old java versions yet. The problem is that Oracle introduced a 
bug in the last Java update that stops it running if signed as noted in my 
Nov 4th post. The bug 
reportis demonstrated 
here , though they've closed 
the report as not reproducible -- I can reproduce it (Win 7 enterprise), 
but can't see a way to comment on the Oracle site. They say it will work in 
update 51, but 51 will also stop unsigned jars working and requires 
manifest entries that I'm still researching. Hoping to have to have a 
signed jar that will work in the future updates rather than having one now 
that creates a flurry of "doesn't work" reports. Do you feel I should 
upload a signed jar for people to test that won't work in the next Java 
update? Let me know. I won't have time to do further work on this until I 
finish work elsewhere (hopefully on the weekend).
 
@Devin I wonder if your system policy settings are being overridden by your 
user policy file? As stated, I'm no expert in Java security and policy file 
use. I'm also wondering if WIn7 Enterprise uses policy files differently 
from other versions. I can't look into this at present.

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Bug with Tags display?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi JpWire

I've added a ticket for this issue just to make sure it doesn't get
forgotten:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/202

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:26 AM, JpWire  wrote:

> I am able to replicate the issue now.
> 1. Open a tag list
> 2. Save the file
> 3. Close the file (do not close the tags list)
>
> Looks this has something to do with the state as outlined in this thread:
> http://j.mp/173CseX
>
> I've attached a copy of my file that has the issue. Based on Jeremy's
> suggestion in that thread, the fix is to delete this tiddler (from More Tab
> > System)
>
>
>
> *$:/state/tagpopup--tiddlerTitle:tips;--tiddlerTitle:$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar;--tiddlerTitle:$:/core/ui/SideBar;-tiddlerTitle:$:/core/ui/PageTemplate;-*
> Cheers!
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 4 November 2013 19:08:11 UTC-5, JpWire wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, it doesn't. I came home and tested the file on my Win 7 PC and it's
>> still the same issue. Same FF version, i.e. 24. Also tested on IE 10 and no
>> luck.
>> Here's what it looks like if you open up another Tags list.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 4 November 2013 18:49:23 UTC-5, infernoape wrote:
>>>
>>> Does it toggle off by clicking the yellow tag that says PM? I should
>>> toggle. On my android phone, it toggles and goes away if I touch it again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Touch
>>>
>>> JpWire  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually enjoy using TW5, but there's this one bug that prevents me
>>> from using it further and going back to 2.8.
>>> I use the tags feature a lot, but sometimes, the Tags List does not
>>> close - see image below
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> If I click outside of the list, nothing happens. If I click on another
>>> Tags List (say, Passwords), then the Passwords Tag List appears *behind*the 
>>> PM list. If I refresh or close the browser, the PM Tags list still
>>> doesn't close.
>>>
>>> Browser being used: FF 24.0. OS: Win XP (yes, pretty old, I know).
>>>
>>> Tested with Chrome Version 30.0.1599.101 m and unable to close the Tags
>>> List.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Tobias Beer]

I have added *<>* to the *Parameter* table, so you can now 
perhaps more easily find stuff in that addmittedly long bit of 
documentation.

http://get.tiddlyspace.com/#Parameters

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Re: [tw] [TW5] How to create a list of blocked or unblocked tasks?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Arkady

I don't think it's currently possible to filter for your postponed tasks;
as discussed previously, we'd need a new filter operator that allows
comparisons.

Anyhow, this gives us tiddlers tagged task that are not done:

[tag[task]!tag[done]]

This gives us all the tiddlers tagged with tiddlers that are tagged task
that are not done:

[tag[task]!tag[done]tagging[]]

We can further filter for tiddlers that are themselves tasks:

[tag[task]!tag[done]tagging[]tag[task]]

Does that help?

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Arkady Grudzinsky wrote:

> My TW5 use case is a task management system.  I find the <$list> widget
> along with the ability to create custom fields very instrumental.  I need a
> filter for "blocked" tasks - tasks tagged with other tasks.
>
> Concepts (nothing new - most borrowed from previous implementations such
> as mGSD):
> * A task is a tiddler tagged "task".
> * Complete tasks - tiddlers tagged "task" and "done".
> * Postponed tasks - tiddlers tagged "task" with "start" field set to some
> date in the future.  Postponed tasks replace ticklers in my system.
> * Blocked tasks - tiddlers tagged "task" which are also tagged with
> incomplete task tiddlers (tiddlers tagged "task", but not "done")
> * Active tasks - filter="[tag[task]!tag[done]!has[draft.of]!has[start]]" -
> need to add a condition for unblocked tasks (tasks not tagged with other
> incomplete tasks).
>
> How can I ceate a filter for "blocked" and "unblocked" tasks?
>
> This is also useful to select tasks that do not belong to any project -
> tiddlers not tagged with tiddlers tagged "project" or projects that do not
> belong to realms, areas, etc.
>
> Is it possible to create such filters?
>
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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Bob Flandard]

Hello Tobias,

Thank you for the example.

I'd nearly got there, so thanks for the pointer. I'll explore some more and 
see if I can fathom some of the structure.

Regards,

Bob

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday, Nov 7th, 2013

[Scott Simmons]

I won't be able to make it this evening, but I'll be there in spirit.

Haunting Google.

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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Bob,

I've spent a while looking at the examples and studying the 
> ListOfParameters, but as a novice TW user it's a bit too much for my small 
> brain to take in.
>

Well, it's quite straight forward. The parameters you look for are 
meaningfully called *sliders *and *filter*.
 

> Could I trouble you for a more specific example of combining 
> MatchedTagsPlugin and GetPlugin? I think maybe I'm being too 
> ambitious/demanding expecting to be able to do this as a "newbie". No 
> worries if you're too busy!
>

I created an example that shows you how *GetPlugin* works with the extended 
tag filter of *MatchTagsPlugin* to possibly output what you're looking 
for...

http://get.tiddlyspace.com/#MatchTags

Tobias.

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Inline Editing of fields

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:07:54 PM UTC-8, Vincent Yeh wrote:

> I am not familiar with the field things in TiddlyWiki 
>
... I don't know about the template things
>

TWCore custom tiddler fields and templates (ViewTemplate/EditTemplate) are 
very effective for creating tiddlers with use-case specific fields.

... view mode editing capabilities in the TiddlyWiki (classic). It's 
> working in many cases for regular tiddler text (not sure for fields, 
> though)...
>

For some other plugins that do various types of field editing, you should 
check out:
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#EditFieldPlugin (edit fields from view mode)
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#EditSectionPlugin (popup editor for tiddler 
sections)
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ListboxPlugin (set fields from droplists and 
listboxes)
   http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CheckboxPlugin (set/clear tags or field 
values)

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Inline Editing of fields

[Jeremy Ruston]

If I understand correctly, you're trying to switch fragments of a tiddler
into edit mode? That's not going to be easy. Because raw wikitext can be
generated by macro parameter expansion there isn't a straightforward
relationship between the tiddler source text and the text that the parser
sees.

Best wishes

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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Stephan Hradek wrote:

> Thanks for the hint, Vincent.
>
> I'd still like to have the fields be editable. But additionally, being
> able to edit parts of a tiddler inline would also help. But my focus is
> more to TW5.
>
> In order not to learn (too much) Klingon and not to have too much
> overhead, I also thought about how this could be achieved. My idea is to
> have something like this:
>
> {{ InlineEditor }} <>
> So this is to include the Buttons which will allow editing.
>
> And then you need to mark the editable blocks like so:
> @@.editable
> This is an editable text block.
>
> 2nd paragraph of the block
> @@
>
> Or you can even mark parts of a line as editable:
> This is just one @@.editable
> word
> @@
> which is editable
>
> I updated my tiddlyspot to show how the
> view mode could look like. I choose pink as background just for
> illustration puposes. Of course clicking the button doesn't do anything yet
> besides switching the buttons. And I'm still using Javascript directly in
> the onclick handler. But as long as I don't know any API, I don't want to
> put too much effort in doing it properly ;)
>
>


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Re: [tw] [TW5] Inline Editing of fields

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Stephan

>
> As you already told me before Hangout #20, you know about this loose of
> focus. Memorizing the field and refocussing after tiddler refresh won't
> help, I fear. When a test input receives focus, usually the content gets
> selected, if I'm not mistaken. So when you type a character, before the
> next one, the text will be selected and the next character will delete that
> selected part.
>

As Vincent notes, we can in fact remember the text selection in order to
restore it correctly. It's fiddly, but do-able. The tricky part is tracking
widget nodes across refresh cycles, because of the way that DOM nodes can
get recreated as part of the refresh cycle.

My idea would be, at least for my use case, to not update anything until
> the "done" button is pressed.
>

In effect that is how TW5 already works. Edits happen live to the draft of
the tiddler, and then clicking done copies the draft over the original. So,
the actual edit isn't performed until you click done. We update the draft
live so that it can be synced to the server/localstorage for backup.


> I'd like to explore that idea but I have no clue about any JavaScript API
> offered by TW5 or whether there is any. I need to know how to retrieve and
> store the field values.
>

There's quite a lot of dev documentation on five.tiddlywiki.com, and a
great deal of comments in the code.


> I also like to know whether or not the change of a class in my posted
> example can, for this case, be assumed safe? As long as the tiddler I'm
> editing does not get refreshed, I don't see, at the moment, a problem.
>

The tiddler you're editing could get refreshed because of, say, an
unrelated change in the content of the story list. It's pretty fundamental
to TW5 that DOM nodes are dynamically created. It's just the same as modern
frameworks like Angular.


> Another idea, how I thought I could achieve what I want, was something
> like this: I need to create some Form Tiddler which defines the layout and
> fields which are editable. This Form Tiddler then serves as the View and
> Edit template at the same time. It should be possible to create a tiddler
> with this Form Tiddler as its template. Clicking the EDIT button should
> then simply offer to change the fields.
>

I'll reply separately to your later message about this part.

Best wishes

Jeremy


>
> I hope I could explain what I mean!?
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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[Tobias Beer]

>
> Just lazy I guess ;)
> In my example the are 6 groups with up to 12 checkboxes in every group. 
> Often but not always a whole group or several groups have to be checked 
> together. Would be nice to only have to click 6 times instead of 40 times :D
>

The thing is, this does involve a bit of coding and I'm a bit reluctant to 
be doing and testing all that just for your special usecase. To begin with, 
I would certainlyconstruct the tag table using javascript, that way you can 
easily add the desired toggle all inputs into the table head cells 
programatically.

Anyway, here's some UNTESTED code for the script section that might point 
you towards how it could be done. If you don't have any js knowledge, we'll 
need to work on it further.

//make jQuery available via $
(function($){

//use a two-dimensional configuration array to define the tag categories
cats = [
[
'cat 1 title',
'cat 1 item 1 title|cat 1 item 1 tag',
'cat 1 item 2 title|cat 1 item 2 tag'
],[
'cat 2 title',
'cat 2 item 1 title|cat 2 item 1 tag',
'cat 2 item 2 title|cat 2 item 2 tag'
]
];

//first, determine the number of rows
var rows = 0;
cats.map(function(cat){
rows = Math.max(rows, cat.length);
})

var r, c, cat, $td, $tr,
$table = $('').addClass('borderless smallTable table100').
appendTo(place),
$tbody = $('').appendTo($table),
//the function that toggles all tags for a category
toggleAll = function(){
//get the checkbox to toggle all
var $i = $(this),
//and the containing table
$table = $i.closest('table');
//get all related tag inputs and set value to that of this 
checkbox
$('[rel="' +  $i.attr('toggle') + '"]', $table).val($i.val());
};

//loop the categories and append the tags to the table...
for(r = 0; r').appendTo($tbody);
//when header
if(r==0){
//add header class
$tr.addClass('table-header');
}
//loop cats
for(c==0;c< cats.length;c++){
//get category
cat = cats[c];
//when table head
if(r==0){
$td = jQuery('')
.html(cat[0])
.appendto($tr);
jQuery('')
.text('all')
.attr('toggle','cat'+c)
.click(toggleAll)
.appendTo($td);
//table body
} else {
//get tag definition and split by pipe
var t = cat[r].split('|');
$td = jQuery('').appendTo($tr);
jQuery('')
.addClass('element checkbox')
.attr('rel','cat'+c)
.val(t[1])
.appendTo($td);
jQuery('')
.addClass('choice')
.attr('for','tags')
.text(val[0])
.appendTo($td);
}
}
};

})(jQuery);

They shouldn't. It's mostly as a precation against error. The form is 
> geared toward old, not-so-computer-savy-old-ladies ;)


Well, then you need to sanitize any potentially corrupt values in your *
submitHandler*, e.g...

//get title input
var $title = jQuery('the selector for the title input');
//set value to trimmed value, removing any blanks
$title.val($.trim($title.val());

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[Tobias Beer]

>
> Just lazy I guess ;)
> In my example the are 6 groups with up to 12 checkboxes in every group. 
> Often but not always a whole group or several groups have to be checked 
> together. Would be nice to only have to click 6 times instead of 40 times :D
>

The thing is, this does involve a bit of coding and I'm a bit reluctant to 
be doing and testing all that just for your special usecase. To begin with, 
I would certainly construct the tag table using javascript, that way you 
can easily add the desired toggle all inputs into the table head cells 
programatically.

Anyway, here's some UNTESTED code for the script section that might point 
you towards how it could be done. If you don't have any js knowledge, we'll 
need to work on it further.

//make jQuery available via $
(function($){

//use a two-dimensional configuration array to define the tag categories
cats = [
[
'cat 1 title',
'cat 1 item 1 title|cat 1 item 1 tag',
'cat 1 item 2 title|cat 1 item 2 tag',
],[
'cat 2 title',
'cat 2 item 1 title|cat 2 item 1 tag',
'cat 2 item 2 title|cat 2 item 2 tag',
]
];

//first, determine the number of rows
var rows = 0;
cats.map(function(cat){
rows = Math.max(rows, cat.length);
})

var r, c, cat, $td, $tr,
$table = $('').addClass('borderless smallTable table100').
appendTo(place),
$tbody = $('').appendTo($table),
//the function that toggles all tags for a category
toggleAll = function(){
//get the checkbox to toggle all
var $i = $(this),
//and the containing table
$table = $i.closest('table');
//get all related tag inputs and set value to that of this 
checkbox
$('[rel="' +  $i.attr('toggle') + '"]', $table).val($i.val());
};

//loop the categories and append the tags to the table...
for(r = 0; r').appendTo($tbody);
//when header
if(r==0){
//add header class
$tr.addClass('table-header');
}
//loop cats
for(c==0;c< cats.length;c++){
//get category
cat = cats[c];
//when table head
if(r==0){
$td = jQuery('')
.html(cat[0])
.appendto($tr);
jQuery('')
.text('all')
.attr('toggle','cat'+c)
.click(toggleAll)
.appendTo($td);
//table body
} else {
//get tag definition and split by pipe
var t = cat[r].split('|');
$td = jQuery('').appendTo($tr);
jQuery('')
.addClass('element checkbox')
.attr('rel','cat'+c)
.val(t[1])
.appendTo($td);
jQuery('')
.addClass('choice')
.attr('for','tags')
.text(val[0])
.appendTo($td);
}
}
};

})(jQuery);


They shouldn't. It's mostly as a precation against error. The form is 
> geared toward old, not-so-computer-savy-old-ladies ;)


Well, then you need to sanitize any potentially corrupt values in your *
submitHandler*, e.g...

//get title input
var $title = jQuery('the selector for the title input');
//set value to trimmed value, removing any blanks
$title.val($.trim($title.val());

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Bob Flandard]

Excellent, thanks Eric,

That's nice! Everyone will want one of those.

I notice the slider text (%0 - %5) isn't wikified (i.e. the ~ symbol is 
rendered) but I can live with that (I probably need to install your plugin 
for removing automatic links from camelCase).

Now I just need to figure out how to make those sliders all the same width 
(some people).

Thanks Eric,

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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Eric Shulman]

Try this:

>
> <\>==="}} "\n\n" (moveable)>>
>
>
errata: 
replace (moveable) with the tag expression you want, e.g, (tag1 AND 
tag2)

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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 11:28:32 AM UTC-8, Bob Flandard wrote:

> 1) The slider buttons formed a nested hierarchy rather than a single 
> column.
>

NestedSliders syntax "eats" the trailing newline that is needed by the 
bullet syntax.  Use "\n\n" (two newlines) as the separator and both sliders 
and bullets will render properly.
 

> 2) The slider buttons revealed the "description" (not the tiddler), rather 
> than either containing the description in the button text or having it on 
> the same line next to the button.
>

Try this:

<\>==="}} "\n\n" (moveable)>>

* Description marker (%5) moved into the slider label, so it will display 
as "TiddlerName - descriptive text"
* <> macro used to show content inside slider panel
* Note use of evaluated parameter syntax with ">\>" instead of just ">>" -- 
i.e., {{"... >\>..."}} -- This allows you to enter the <> 
macro as a parameter value while preventing the ">>" from prematurely 
ending the containing <> macro
 
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

[Jeremy Ruston]

>
>
>
> Not sure, I was thinking more in terms of using / extending the default
> mechanism for adding / editing / removing fields so as to (somewhat
> adaptively) allow for multiline content in a custom field.
>

Right. There is already a mechanism for a tiddler field to specify the type
attribute of the input element used to edit it. This is how the "color"
field gets its special editor:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/boot/boot.js#L725

I've just extended the mechanism to allow the element tag to be specified
in the same way, which would allow a field module to stipulate that a text
area be used by default for editing that field. I'll push the change
shortly.

Best wishes

Jeremy.




>
> Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Bob Flandard]

Hello Tobias,

Thank you for extending the functionality of GetPlugin.

I've spent a while looking at the examples and studying the 
ListOfParameters, but as a novice TW user it's a bit too much for my small 
brain to take in.

Could I trouble you for a more specific example of combining 
MatchedTagsPlugin and GetPlugin? I think maybe I'm being too 
ambitious/demanding expecting to be able to do this as a "newbie".

No worries if you're too busy!

Regards,

Bob

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[magev958]

>  I'd like to have a checkbox to toggle tag1, tag2, tag3 all at once.
>>
>
> Not sure what you want exactly, do you want to assign or remove a number 
> of tags collectively? Based on what reasoning / logic? What is wrong with 
> having multiple tag columns as in your example? Keep in mind that the 
> tiddler you're talking about doesn't exist until you hit the submit button. 
>
 
Just lazy I guess ;) 
In my example the are 6 groups with up to 12 checkboxes in every group. 
Often but not always a whole group or several groups have to be checked 
together. Would be nice to only have to click 6 times instead of 40 times :D
 

>   I have also run in some strange problem.
>> It all work in my TW on my usb-stick but when I moved it (copy & paste) 
>> to the network-drive at work the script gives a error "Identifier, string 
>> or number is expected" (translated from swedish). It still work from 
>> usb-stick if I bring both up in windows next to each other but the 
>> network-copy give an error?
>>
>
> No idea what could be wrong. At what point do you get the error, when you 
> open the form tiddler or when you try to submit, i.e. save the TiddlyWiki?
>
 
This error message shows directly when I open the tiddler. In the place the 
script usually is hidden.
 

>   And if the title start or end with a blank space the tiddler vanish 
>> "The tiddler 'tiddlerTitle' doesn't yet exist. Double-click to create it". 
>> But if I open the TW in Notepad its there!
>>
>
> Well, tiddler titles shouldn't start or end with blanks, afaic. Why would 
> they?
>
 
They shouldn't. It's mostly as a precation against error. The form is 
geared toward old, not-so-computer-savy-old-ladies ;)
Magnus

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[tw] TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday, Nov 7th, 2013

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday Nov. 7, 2013

[Eric Shulman]

DATE CORRECTED: November ***7th***, 2013

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:59:59 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> The TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic offers LIVE online video chat discussions, 
> walk-throughs, immediate, real-time help with all aspects of TiddlyWiki 
> Classic.  Ask questions and get solutions to problems you are having, 
> suggest improvements to "core" features, learn about TiddlyWiki Classic 
> formatting, configuration, macros, styles/themes, plugins... and more!
>
> The next TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic, hosted on Google Hangout, will be held 
> on:
>
>Thursday, November 7th, 2013, 3pm-5pm Pacific Daylight Time (GMT-7).
>
> I will post a link to the Hangout HERE, shortly before it is scheduled to 
> begin.
>
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[tw] TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic #7 - Thursday Nov. 6, 2013

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[tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Dave,

That is very handy.

Thanks,

Ton

On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:34:32 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Sometimes you want lists of tiddlers to display more than just the tiddler 
> title, but not the entire contents of the tiddler. You can write up a brief 
> summary of the tiddler in a summary field, then create lists that display 
> the title and the summary field of the tiddlers in that list (or the 
> tiddlers with a certain tag).
>
> See http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm "Lists with tiddler summaries" for 
> instructions.
>
> Dave
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[tw] Re: Tiddly Wiki Mascot

[Tobias Beer]

Great to see someone with a design background take on this!

- tobias

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi magev958,

I'd like to have a checkbox to toggle tag1, tag2, tag3 all at once.
>

Not sure what you want exactly, do you want to assign or remove a number of 
tags collectively? Based on what reasoning / logic? What is wrong with 
having multiple tag columns as in your example? Keep in mind that the 
tiddler you're talking about doesn't exist until you hit the submit button. 

I have also run in some strange problem.
> It all work in my TW on my usb-stick but when I moved it (copy & paste) to 
> the network-drive at work the script gives a error "Identifier, string or 
> number is expected" (translated from swedish). It still work from usb-stick 
> if I bring both up in windows next to each other but the network-copy give 
> an error?
>

No idea what could be wrong. At what point do you get the error, when you 
open the form tiddler or when you try to submit, i.e. save the TiddlyWiki?

And if the title start or end with a blank space the tiddler vanish "The 
> tiddler 'tiddlerTitle' doesn't yet exist. Double-click to create it". But 
> if I open the TW in Notepad its there!
>

Well, tiddler titles shouldn't start or end with blanks, afaic. Why would 
they?

Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

[Tobias Beer]

>
> In the refactored branch you'll be able to say <$edit-text field="myfield" 
> tag="textarea"/> to force a text area instead of an . 
> In TW5 input text areas always resize the fit their text. Does that answer 
> your question?
>

Not sure, I was thinking more in terms of using / extending the default 
mechanism for adding / editing / removing fields so as to (somewhat 
adaptively) allow for multiline content in a custom field.

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Wiki Mascot

[Robert Gibson]

I forgot to mention that I keep the updates on my tumblr blog in a queue. 
As long as I have updates they will be published three times a day.
A lot of these pictures might not be all that interesting to most people as 
this is a Work in progress and most of the images will have little or 
nothing to do with the final result. Some of the images are just life 
studies or random doodles, but I thought I'd share them anyway.
As Jeremy already mentioned my main focus will be on the mascot itself. 
However, I will also throw in some logo designs as the mascot is obviously 
tied to the logo itself.

Thanks for the encouraging comments so far!
Cheers guys!

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[magev958]

I have also run in some strange problem.
It all work in my TW on my usb-stick but when I moved it (copy & paste) to 
the network-drive at work the script gives a error "Identifier, string or 
number is expected" (translated from swedish). It still work from usb-stick 
if I bring both up in windows next to each other but the network-copy give 
an error. ?
 
And if the title start or end with a blank space the tiddler vanish "The 
tiddler 'tiddlerTitle' doesn't yet exist. Double-click to create it". But 
if I open the TW in Notepad its there!
 
I'm very confused right now

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[magev958]

I'd like to have a checkbox to toggle tag1, tag2, tag3 all at once. I 
haven't been able to do that. But as I wrote in my last post, I don't know 
JS and don't know how to intepret the code :/

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[tw] Re: A few newbie questions before recommending TiddlyWiki

[Stephan Hradek]

For the first upload Safari, later FF14.

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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[Tobias Beer]

Out of curiosity, what is the obstacle with creating a signed jar? Is that 
more than a click of a button /a whole approval process of sorts?

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

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> Makes me wonder though how hard it would be to dynamically and
> automagically turn a field input into a textarea, perhaps when one hits
> *ENTER*, i.e. set the number of displayed lines of such a textarea to the
> number of literal newline characters in it. Perhaps it could even always
> be a textarea, starting with 1 line?
>

In the refactored branch you'll be able to say <$edit-text field="myfield"
tag="textarea"/> to force a text area instead of an .
In TW5 input text areas always resize the fit their text. Does that answer
your question?

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

[David Gifford]

I have no idea what you just said or what you are wondering.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> Thanks, Dave, that's a very useful tip.
>
> Makes me wonder though how hard it would be to dynamically and
> automagically turn a field input into a textarea, perhaps when one hits
> *ENTER*, i.e. set the number of displayed lines of such a textarea to the
> number of literal newline characters in it. Perhaps it could even always
> be a textarea, starting with 1 line?
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[tw] Re: TW5 tip: Use fields for brief summaries of tiddlers

[Tobias Beer]

Thanks, Dave, that's a very useful tip.

Makes me wonder though how hard it would be to dynamically and 
automagically turn a field input into a textarea, perhaps when one hits *
ENTER*, i.e. set the number of displayed lines of such a textarea to the 
number of literal newline characters in it. Perhaps it could even always be 
a textarea, starting with 1 line?

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[tw] Re: Auto close-all?

[Tobias Beer]

>
> But if I can trouble You once more, I would like to implement the 
> "toggle-group-of-tags"-funktion, as in 
> http://www.tiddlytools.com/#DailyChecklist, into the form. Think it can 
> be done?


When I look at your example I already see something like that working. What 
precisely are you missing? 

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki.org Logo Ideas

[Tobias Beer]

On Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:02:11 UTC+1, Bauwe Bijl wrote:

> I believe mechanisms like "Bubble my Page" are interesting ...
> This creates an image (logo if you like) and the same time a 
>  visualization of the content of a (single)page.
>
> Here the results from five.tiddlywiki.com :
>
>
> http://www.infocaptor.com/bubble-my-page?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffive.tiddlywiki.com%2F&size=300
>
 
Mhhh, me gets the idea of a little tiddler (fish) and some bubbly stuff... 
perhaps the colorful bubbly stuff is coming out of his mouth or brains... 
smart and witty as the little bugger is.

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Re: [tw] alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ? x-tagger!

[Tobias Beer]

>
>  I would be delighted  if I was able to show your great Tagging-Addon in 
> the EditMode. This would have two big advantages.
> - I would prefer to have a slim toolbar in the ViewMode.
> - In the EditMode users are more aware of the relevance of tags. As I 
> would like to share the collection I am doing with other users, I would 
> prefer if only those who knew what tags do touch them.
>

I see, use tagging but only have it visible as needed.
 

> the xplore-Tagging furnishes information which is especially valuable 
> while I am editing ( tiddlers linking and tagging to the tiddler), so I 
> would like to have the button to display it there. Shall I post a feature 
> request for these whishes?
>

I see, this makes sense. Whil I just added an issue here...

https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/issues/68

...it turns out you were not using the latest version of x-plore as can be 
found at...

http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#x-plore

So, it looks like that version does work properly in EditMode.
 

> I don't know whether TagSearch really works in my TW- The Span called 
> "Typ" you see on the left of the toolbar is still produces by the the 
> x-tagger-plugin, the button for TagSearch at the moment is placed on the 
> right of the Toolbar.
>

I see, mhhh. I have no idea why the *tagSearch* toolbar command fails to 
find the handler. Perhaps you have some legacy CoreTweaks or such installed 
that prevents the *tagSearch* toolbar command from working properly?
 

> I wanted to change to TagSearch because of the better possibilities of 
> configuration and because of the sticky behaviour which would be very 
> practical when meditating about a set of tags.
>

Sure. As a workaround, if I add this in the toolbar section in the *
ViewTemplate* of your *SmartTheme* it works fine...




I have already tried to implement the Tag-Dropdown-Menu of Delicious 
> Tagging but it would not work-That ist to say it produced a long field of 
> all my tags.  I thought it needs prefixes to function correctly.
>

Actually, you don't need prefixes. All you should have to do is to point to 
the tag category section such as *TagSearchConfig##Tags* using something 
like this in a *zzConfig*...

config.macros.deliciousTagging.catList = 'TagSearchConfig##Tags';

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TiddlySaver.jar available

[Devin Richards]

@PVHL yes I put the wiki.html and the new TiddlySaver.jar both in C:\tw and 
then copied the grant statement from your post on Oct30 into my C:\Program 
Files (x86)\Java\jre7\lib\security\java.policy file and still get the error 
that my local policy has prevented a file from running, the name of the 
file is TiddlySaver and the location is just file://   

would appreciate any help you can give as I use my TW daily


On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, PVHL wrote:
>
> @Devin Did you put the TiddlySaver.jar from my fork in the same directory 
> as the TW file? (i.e. both in c:\tw if that's what you used in the policy 
> file -- you can replace the c:\tw in the grant statement with any path, of 
> course, so long as they all match.) If you'd like to work on this some more 
> I'd be happy to help via email, though FIrefox + TiddlyFox still seems the 
> better solution to me.
>  
> @Daniel Thanks for reporting back. You have the same set-up as the one I 
> tested on. I agree that messing with a policy file is unwanted, but without 
> a signed jar it's the only way. If all the TWs are in/below a single 
> directory, it only needs to be done once, if the above Oct 30th settings 
> (or similar) are used. I'm not sure anyone will want to retrograde their 
> Java install so I'm assuming there is little need for a signed jar right 
> now, given it won't work in 1.7.0_45. Hopefully Oracle will fix the bug.
>  
> Cheers, Paul.
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[tw] Re: A few newbie questions before recommending TiddlyWiki

[PMario]

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:58:32 AM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2013 08:01:13 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>>
>> The TW version used there is quite old. So IMO tiddlyspot isn't an option 
>> anymore.
>>
>> TW5 can be stored on tiddlyspot. Proof: http://skeeve.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>

Which browser did you use to upload?
-m 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyLock - a simple multi-user TiddlyWiki dumb question

[Jeff Smith]

I was afraid it might be something like that. Thanks for the info!

On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:50:36 PM UTC-5, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 1:56:36 PM UTC-8, Jeff Smith wrote:
>
>> I am trying to use the TiddlyLock plugin with the latest TiddlyWiki core 
>> (2.8.1) and it doesn't seem to be working. Have you been able to validate 
>> that it works with this core?
>>
>
> The problem you're having probably isn't directly related to the TiddyWiki 
> core version you're using.  If I recall correctly, TiddlyLock works by 
> creating a 'lock file' in the same directory as the TiddlyWiki document 
> (for the first user to load the document), and then checking to see if that 
> lock file exists (for subsequent users).  Unfortunately, this almost 
> certainly uses "privileged" local file I/O functions that are no longer 
> permitted by most browsers.
>
> Sorry this response isn't more encouraging.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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[tw] Re: [TWC] matchTags links with a slider

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Bob,

I have just extended GetPlugin to 
now allow rendering tiddler contents not only in lists or tables but 
also sliders and tabs...

http://get.tiddlyspace.com/#Examples

You should be able to combine that with *MatchTagsPlugin* using the *filter 
*parameter.

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[tw] Re: A few newbie questions before recommending TiddlyWiki

[Fred]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I found 
http://tiddlertoddler.tiddlyspot.com to contain enough infos to get started.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:58:32 AM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2013 08:01:13 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>>
>>
>> The TW version used there is quite old. So IMO tiddlyspot isn't an option 
>> anymore.
>>
>> TW5 can be stored on tiddlyspot. Proof: http://skeeve.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Logo

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 18:56:30 UTC+1 schrieb Julio:
>
> Hello Bob and all,
>
> I was looking at your logos during lunch and started 
> thinking and came up with this doodled concept.
> This in keeping with the "fish" motif. 
> Just an idea to throw in the hat per se.
>
 
+1

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[tw] Re: A few newbie questions before recommending TiddlyWiki

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2013 08:01:13 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>
>
> The TW version used there is quite old. So IMO tiddlyspot isn't an option 
> anymore.
>
> TW5 can be stored on tiddlyspot. Proof: http://skeeve.tiddlyspot.com/ 

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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddly Wiki Mascot

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Robert

These are terrific. The fish are alive and stylish, and there's a funky
kind of contemporary vibe that's instantly appealing. The variety of
species and orientations looks great.

(And for everyone else's benefit, Robert emailed me earlier in the summer
offering his services. He's an experienced, professional designer and very
kindly offered to undertake his full creative process for TiddlyWiki. I
repeated for Robert the remarks I've made before here about my own
particular thoughts/prejudices, and the constraints in terms of what we
might want to do with a logo. We ended up thinking more about mascots than
conventional logos, possibly as a result of my bringing in my old
tiddler=fish idea).

I don't know what kind of feedback is most useful; hopefully other people
will express their opinions too. I'd be interested to explore how to evoke
the feeling you get when you see a shoal of fish: the multiplicity of
smaller organisms acting as a single one. The detail in the fish
illustrations is terrific, and I wouldn't want to lose that; maybe one or
or more larger fish could be shown in front of a wall of tiddlers.

Many thanks for your work on this,

Best wishes

Jeremy




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> Nice. Reminds me a bit of the O'Reilley bestiarium.
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Logo

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bob, Julio

Thanks for these. I do really like Bob's original T+W+V symbol, even though
it does indeed cross over into being a bit of a riff on the letter shapes.
Julio's concept is also appealing - combining the letter shape thing with
the fish illustration is clever.

The collective creative process is interesting, and I look forward to more!

Best wishes

Jeremy






On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Bob Flandard  wrote:

> Hello Julio,
>
> It has a pleasing "The lost World" feel about it, like a fossil of the
> long extinct Minimus Wikasaurus.
>
> Good works!
>
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Inline Editing of fields

[Stephan Hradek]

Thanks for the hint, Vincent.

I'd still like to have the fields be editable. But additionally, being able 
to edit parts of a tiddler inline would also help. But my focus is more to 
TW5.

In order not to learn (too much) Klingon and not to have too much overhead, 
I also thought about how this could be achieved. My idea is to have 
something like this:

{{ InlineEditor }} <>
So this is to include the Buttons which will allow editing.

And then you need to mark the editable blocks like so:
@@.editable
This is an editable text block.

2nd paragraph of the block
@@

Or you can even mark parts of a line as editable:
This is just one @@.editable
word
@@
which is editable

I updated my tiddlyspot to show how the view 
mode could look like. I choose pink as background just for illustration 
puposes. Of course clicking the button doesn't do anything yet besides 
switching the buttons. And I'm still using Javascript directly in the 
onclick handler. But as long as I don't know any API, I don't want to put 
too much effort in doing it properly ;)

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