date:20171116

Default mechanism works everywhere and requires no set-up.

Maybe what is needed is a grid of techniques vs. abilities to help people 
decide which approach is best for them.

Or a helper with a series of drop-downs (net-based, no-net, android, 
i-device, complexity) 

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On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:51:48 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> In the latest TW we have THE AGONY OF RICHES ...
>
> As of today we have 16 (yes, SIXTEEN) kosher ways of saving TiddlyWiki ...
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted
>
>
>
> Is there ONE that works with everything (EVERY PLATFORM) that is easy to 
> set up?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>  
>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey all,

With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc

I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought out 
"New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% drunk 
the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time explaining it 
to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to either save 
like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah you could 
install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"

I think this community can try to develop sort of an EverNote-likeish-clone 
that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and use. What do you guys 
think? 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Jeremy
>
> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest hassle 
> for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>
> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>
> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
> so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
> of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
> OTHER stuff FF did too.
>
> In mourning
> Josiah 
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>
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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

Ciao Mark S.

I think my "feel" here comes from pretending to be a newbie on the block. 

It really is daunting to have TOO MANY options without some kind of 
guidance about some Square One.

I think you are right that some kind of table or decision tree could help.

Best wishes
Josiah 

Mark S. wrote:
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> Default mechanism works everywhere and requires no set-up.
>
> Maybe what is needed is a grid of techniques vs. abilities to help people 
> decide which approach is best for them.
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[tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Just a thought.

This group's Modus Operandi looks somewhat dated.

Best wishes
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

For what it's worth, here's the code I insert into the filter plugin to 
allow me to have selectable filters:


<$select tiddler="$:/temp/tdn/user-filter" default='General Usage'>
<$list filter='[tag[Filter]sort[title]]'>
<$view field='caption'/>




It gets inserted below <$vars uf=...

Each filter tiddler is tagged 'Filter', has a caption field to describe it, 
and the filter content goes in the text field.

My flow is that usually first thing in the morning I reset used tiddlers, 
check items due for the day, and use various filters to look at things that 
are in waiting mode and move them into the task list for the day. Some 
tasks that are for late in the day are given a priority for later, and 
hidden away until needed. Having a drop-down filter makes this moving back 
and forth simpler.

Mark


On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:08:39 AM UTC-8, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Arkady
>
> Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and 
> linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to 
> write an answer. 
>
> Have you tried http://cardo.wiki/ ? It is one of the most feature rich 
> TW-based solutions I know of. 
>
> Maybe GTD is an acronym aiming too high for my simple tool. I have no 
> plans to extend it any further at the moment and I wanted to keep it simple 
> and intuitive even for beginners from the very beginning. Something between 
> simple ToDo lists and real GTD systems was missing in my eyes, so I built 
> it. If I would start today I would look at the trello-ish solutions as 
> alternatives. 
>
> Concerning your questions: 
>
> To hide items you won’t or can’t work on, you can use tags or priorities. 
> A simple tag filter is always present, but there is also a personal filter 
> you could use to filter out certain priorities. Have a look at the 
> user-filter tab of the plugin, you will find filter examples there. 
>
> I did not have the time to try, but I am pretty sure it would be possible 
> to eliminate tasks due more than a given number of days from now this way.
>
> For recurring tasks I personally just set a new date when one is done, 
> this way I can take weekends and local holidays into account. By the way: 
> If you check done, reactivate the task and check done again, both 
> done-dates are registered in the tiddler. 
>
> Last but not least: No, I do no intend to add more features. My ambition 
> is to improve  existing features and usability. Feel free to add all the 
> features you like and please keep me updated if you do so. 
>
> All the best and happy do-ing!
> Thomas 
>
>
>
> Arkady Grudzinsky  schrieb am So. 12. 
> Nov. 2017 um 21:18:
>
>> Hi, Thomas,
>>
>> Great plugin.  I'm always on the look for a good task management 
>> application.  I have tried dozens of them.  
>>
>> What I value most is the ability to hide items that cannot be done now.  
>> GTD uses "contexts" for this purpose.  I suppose a "context" is just a 
>> tag.  I can use some special character for tags denoting contexts 
>> ("@computer", "@home", etc.).  "Projects" are also just tags.  So, I guess, 
>> your system can accommodate that.  But there are two other conditions that 
>> can make a task irrelevant now:
>>
>> 1. Task dependencies.  I'd like the ability to hide tasks that cannot be 
>> started before another task is completed.  And when the blocking task is 
>> completed, the blocked task should become "active" and show up in the 
>> lists.  It helps to unclutter the lists tremendously.  Very few otherwise 
>> excellent task management applications allow that.  
>>
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/TODO-dependencies.html
>>
>> 2. The ability to postpone tasks.  Some tasks cannot be started until 
>> some future time.  I'd like to have the ability to set this time and hide 
>> the task from the list until that time.  Emacs Org Mode uses "SCHEDULED" 
>> attribute for that.  Some implementations of todo.txt call it "threshold".  
>> I use this feature most frequently for recurring tasks.  E.g. if I just 
>> mowed my lawn, I don't want to see it on my list again sooner than in 2 
>> weeks.  And for daily items that need to be done each evening, for example, 
>> having a timestamp is critical to hide items until "6pm", for example.  GTD 
>> uses the concept of "tickler" for this.  In Monkey GTD which I used for a 
>> while many years ago, tasks could be converted into "ticklers".  But I find 
>> it unnecessary since this, imo, is just a task attribute.
>>
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Deadlines-and-scheduling.html
>>
>> You do have reminders, but this is not quite the same thing.  They don't 
>> seem to hide tasks until a certain time.  
>>
>> Another important feature is task recurrence - the ability to regenerate 
>> the task with due dates and threshold dates in the future.  The best 
>> implementation of this I found in Emacs Org Mode.  They have 3 kinds of 
>> recurring events:
>>
>> 1. Recurring in a certain interval after the

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

Ciao cari Arkady & Thomas,

I have been using Thomas' ToDoNow a long time. I'm still using it. It works.

Why do I like it? Honed Minimalism. GTD systems got OVER-complex for one 
person only able to do one thing at a time. Thomas went back to HIS basics 
and found something workable.

It is a very, very good PERSONAL To Do System. It is NOT a collaborative 
PROJECT Manager and was never meant to be one. It has limited aims but 
within those its really stellar.

Regarding hiding stuff you don't want to see the Custom Filter mechanism 
that goes a long way to helping you with that but if its not enough, as 
Thomas suggests, I'd look at CARDO.

Best wishes
Josiah

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
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> Hi Arkady
>
> Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and 
> linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to 
> write an answer. 
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> This group's Modus Operandi looks somewhat dated.

WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks or 
searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a replacement 
I think it's a non-starter.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

2017-11-16 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi Arkady

Thank you very much for writing down all these interesting thoughts and
linking to relevant concepts! And sorry for the long time it took me to
write an answer.

Have you tried http://cardo.wiki/ ? It is one of the most feature rich
TW-based solutions I know of.

Maybe GTD is an acronym aiming too high for my simple tool. I have no plans
to extend it any further at the moment and I wanted to keep it simple and
intuitive even for beginners from the very beginning. Something between
simple ToDo lists and real GTD systems was missing in my eyes, so I built
it. If I would start today I would look at the trello-ish solutions as
alternatives.

Concerning your questions:

To hide items you won’t or can’t work on, you can use tags or priorities. A
simple tag filter is always present, but there is also a personal filter
you could use to filter out certain priorities. Have a look at the
user-filter tab of the plugin, you will find filter examples there.

I did not have the time to try, but I am pretty sure it would be possible
to eliminate tasks due more than a given number of days from now this way.

For recurring tasks I personally just set a new date when one is done, this
way I can take weekends and local holidays into account. By the way: If you
check done, reactivate the task and check done again, both done-dates are
registered in the tiddler.

Last but not least: No, I do no intend to add more features. My ambition is
to improve  existing features and usability. Feel free to add all the
features you like and please keep me updated if you do so.

All the best and happy do-ing!
Thomas

Arkady Grudzinsky  schrieb am So. 12. Nov. 2017 um
21:18:

> Hi, Thomas,
>
> Great plugin.  I'm always on the look for a good task management
> application.  I have tried dozens of them.
>
> What I value most is the ability to hide items that cannot be done now.
> GTD uses "contexts" for this purpose.  I suppose a "context" is just a
> tag.  I can use some special character for tags denoting contexts
> ("@computer", "@home", etc.).  "Projects" are also just tags.  So, I guess,
> your system can accommodate that.  But there are two other conditions that
> can make a task irrelevant now:
>
> 1. Task dependencies.  I'd like the ability to hide tasks that cannot be
> started before another task is completed.  And when the blocking task is
> completed, the blocked task should become "active" and show up in the
> lists.  It helps to unclutter the lists tremendously.  Very few otherwise
> excellent task management applications allow that.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/TODO-dependencies.html
>
> 2. The ability to postpone tasks.  Some tasks cannot be started until some
> future time.  I'd like to have the ability to set this time and hide the
> task from the list until that time.  Emacs Org Mode uses "SCHEDULED"
> attribute for that.  Some implementations of todo.txt call it "threshold".
> I use this feature most frequently for recurring tasks.  E.g. if I just
> mowed my lawn, I don't want to see it on my list again sooner than in 2
> weeks.  And for daily items that need to be done each evening, for example,
> having a timestamp is critical to hide items until "6pm", for example.  GTD
> uses the concept of "tickler" for this.  In Monkey GTD which I used for a
> while many years ago, tasks could be converted into "ticklers".  But I find
> it unnecessary since this, imo, is just a task attribute.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Deadlines-and-scheduling.html
>
> You do have reminders, but this is not quite the same thing.  They don't
> seem to hide tasks until a certain time.
>
> Another important feature is task recurrence - the ability to regenerate
> the task with due dates and threshold dates in the future.  The best
> implementation of this I found in Emacs Org Mode.  They have 3 kinds of
> recurring events:
>
> 1. Recurring in a certain interval after the previous due date.  These are
> good for things like paying bills or filing tax returns.  Org Mode uses
> "+1w" syntax for those.
>
> 2. Recurring in a certain interval after the last completion date.  These
> are good for things like mowing the lawn or having a haircut.  Org Mode
> uses ".+1w" syntax for those
>
> 3. Recurring on a certain date, after "now".  This is good for catching up
> on delinquent tasks.  E.g. if I have to send weekly reports on Fridays and
> forgot to mark it "done" for a whole month, I want the task to recur on the
> next Friday rather than having to mark the task "Done" 4 times incrementing
> the due date by a week.  Org Mode uses "++1w" syntax for those.
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Repeated-tasks.html
>
> Do you have any ideas on how to implement these concepts with your plugin?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:15:15 AM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> With enormous gratitude for inspiring users like *Mark S.* and *Josiah*
>> (aka @TiddlyTweeter) who contributed many ideas and testing:

[tw] Re: A Rant

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:55:31 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao PMario
>
> Furicle wrote:
>>
>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
>>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>>
>>
> PMario replied: 
>
>> See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/h0k7z62N79Y
>> and: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9984ShVVbbA
>>
>> for possible replacements. 
>>
>
> The problem with these is they are NOT documentation. They are discussion 
> of emergent projects. Newbies who simply want to get on and DO IT will 
> likely not bother. 
>

Yea, but my first 3 clickable links in the first post are links to 
documentation and a video instruction. 
I really don't know, how to provide better info, than let a user watch, how 
it should work. .. 

If this ins't enough info, I really don't know, what more can be done. 

I know, that the video needs to be refined, once the final version is out. 

have fun!
mario
PS: I also got some hints, how to improve the visual feedback of the AddOn, 
reviewing my own video. Which will land in one of the next versions. 

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

Hi mark, 

This info works very well. I'll include it in the addOn docs. 

The important thing is that the "mklink" command is only available with 
cmd.exe ... powershell doesn't know it, or it may be a different one. 

have fun!
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Re: [tw] A Rant

Ciao Jeremy

The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest hassle 
for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 

BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."

The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
OTHER stuff it did too.

In mourning
Josiah 

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older nw.js 
> rather than Electron.
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[tw] Yearning for ONE method ...

In the latest TW we have THE AGONY RICHES ...

As of today we have 16 (yes, SIXTEEN) kosher ways of saving TiddlyWiki ...

https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted



Is there ONE that works with everything (EVERY PLATFORM) that is easy to 
set up?

Best wishes
Josiah
 

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> At the risk of asking a stupid question - would it be difficult to just wrap 
> it all up in an Electron app bundle like Slack et al?

That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older nw.js 
rather than Electron.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: Link to external PDF

See https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20embed%20PDF%20and%20other%20documents

The section on _canonical_uri is most relevant. 

In your example, try changing the \ to a / . 

Good luck!

Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:16:26 AM UTC-8, Natanael wrote:
>
>
> Is there any way to create a new Tiddler that contains an external 
> embedded PDF? 
>
> I'd like to include some eBooks as Tiddlers, without having to bloat the 
> .html file by making binary imports of heavy pdf files. 
>
> I seems I cannot even create an external relative file link (Windows), 
> maybe I'm writing it incorrectly? The only thing that happens when I click 
> the link is a window of "My computer"... 
>
>
>
>
>
> For the record, I'm using TiddlyDesktop.
>
>
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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-16 Thread dazeller86

I found tiddly-saver here: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9984ShVVbbA and it works 
quite well.
Only negative point is that it requires a dedikated place to store the 
TiddlyWiki.

Am Samstag, 28. Oktober 2017 11:33:51 UTC+2 schrieb Norm Davis:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Ciao Jeremy

Thanks for the reply.

I was being more prodding than helpful.

FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.

Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as it 
evolves.

Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that 
clearly. 

I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b) 
understanding of it.

The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to 
find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised 
mess.

Can't we do better?

Best wishes
Josiah

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> WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks or 
> searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a 
> replacement I think it's a non-starter.
>
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[tw] Re: A Rant

Ciao PMario

You do get it--but you miss something also--I think. 

IF you refer to a thread people read the THREAD. 

But they DO NOT need to read the thread. 

What they NEED is direct links to INSTRUCTIONS of what to do to get 
something working FIRST.

Discussion should NEVER come first IMO when the aim is ACTIVATING SIMPLE 
UTILITY. 

Discussion is for troubleshooting, NOT setup.

Josiah

PMario wrote:

Yea, but my first 3 clickable links in the first post are links to 
> documentation and a video instruction. 
> I really don't know, how to provide better info, than let a user watch, 
> how it should work. ..
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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

I have entered my correct wiki name and password in the TiddlySpot Saver 
settings and then tried multiple times to save but just cannot save my 
upgraded TW to TiddlySpot. 
After opening the TW on TiddlySpot, I saved a local copy (by removing the 
password). After opening the local copy, I was also unable to save this 
version back to TiddlySpot.
I am using Firefox 57 on Ubuntu 16.04.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:07:52 PM UTC+13, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> Yes, I did try that, but was not successful. I will try again once I am 
> back at my home computer.
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Mc
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 11:38:30 PM UTC+13, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello, have you tried going to *Control Panel* >> *Saving* >> *TiddlySpot 
>> Saver* ? Just input your Wiki Name and Password there, and then save. 
>> That's how I did it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:01:21 PM UTC+9, AndrewMc wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I have a TW hosted on TiddlySpot that uses TW version 5.1.14. Now that 
>>> version 5.1.15 has been released, I would like to upgrade.
>>> I have followed the instructions at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading 
>>> and now have an upgraded version of the TW saved on my local drive.
>>>
>>> My problem is, how do I get my upgraded local TW onto TiddlySpot?
>>> Or, can I avoid creating a local file and somehow upgrade TW on 
>>> TiddlySpot directly?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrew Mc
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Comments re TiddlyDesktop and External Attachments Plugin

I was interested in trying TiddlyDesktop again now that it had the External
Attachments Plugin (EAP).

*Installing*:

The only instructions are in the video, which are aimed at mac users. I
unzipped the file and loaded it into a directory reserved for apps without
a regular install.

There is no indication which file you are supposed to run. Nothing that
starts with "tiddlydesktop." which is what you would expect. I guessed that
you invoke it with NW.exe -- Is this right?

After running, not understanding I added a file folder that contains TW
files. Then I realized that this wasn't what was meant, and discovered that
the Remove button doesn't actually work. I think it may be refusing to work
because the folder has no data to provide a title. I eventually used the
advanced option to find the tiddler that represented the folder and then
delete it.

Next I loaded an empty 5.1.15 tw and then used the plugin manager to
download the EAP. I saved and reloaded the TW. I then dragged an image
into the frame. The entire image flooded the frame rather than offering to
import. The TW was no longer accessible and I was not able to navigate
backwards to the TW. I closed the frame and tried to use the "open" button
back in the desktop manager. It would not open.

So, I closed the entire TiddlyDeskTop app and attempted to restart it. It
wouldn't restart. I used my Windows task manager to find the nw.exe process
and killed it. After that I could restart it.

*Summary*:

* No windows-friendly instructions how to launch
* Removing entrees doesn't always work
* External Attachments Plugin doesn't work
* Dragging in an image will make your TW inaccessible
* App doesn't shut itself down completely on closing requiring manual kill

Thanks!
Mark

TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9
Win 7, 64 home premium

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

If we had a wiki would it be legal to import massive amounts of data from 
Tiddlywiki.com ? I'm sure we wouldn't want to re-invent every wheel.

Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:48:51 AM UTC-8, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is 
> proper forums instead of Google's attempt to replace nntp. We also probably 
> need a wiki that can be edited by mutliple people.
>
> Forums would allow categorization of discussions easier.
>
> A wiki with multiple editors would allow different people to manage 
> different aspects of documentation such as end-user guides, developer 
> guides, dedicated guides to each of the 20 or so savers, etc.
>
> But to do the above would require funding for hosting. 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:25:09 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I was being more prodding than helpful.
>>
>> FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.
>>
>> Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as it 
>> evolves.
>>
>> Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that 
>> clearly. 
>>
>> I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b) 
>> understanding of it.
>>
>> The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to 
>> find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised 
>> mess.
>>
>> Can't we do better?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks 
>>> or searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a 
>>> replacement I think it's a non-starter.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw] Comments re TiddlyDesktop and External Attachments Plugin

2017-11-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mark

I’ll investigate what’s happened, but in the meantime you should be able to 
recover by deleting the data folder for TiddlyDesktop. In Windows, I think 
it’ll be something like:

c:\users\yourname\AppData\Local\TiddlyDesktop

I think what went wrong with your drag and drop might be that by dragging to 
the blank bottom area of the TW window you won’t trigger the drop dialogue. 
Move around until you see the green bar before you release the mouse. (This bug 
isn’t TiddlyDesktop specific, and can happen in ordinary browsers too).

Best wishes

Jeremy



> On 16 Nov 2017, at 17:45, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was interested in trying TiddlyDesktop again now that it had the External 
> Attachments Plugin (EAP).
> 
> Installing:
> 
> The only instructions are in the video, which are aimed at mac users. I 
> unzipped the file and loaded it into a directory reserved for apps without a 
> regular install.
> 
> There is no indication which file you are supposed to run. Nothing that 
> starts with "tiddlydesktop." which is what you would expect. I guessed that 
> you invoke it with NW.exe -- Is this right?
> 
> After running, not understanding I added a file folder that contains TW 
> files. Then I realized that this wasn't what was meant, and discovered that 
> the Remove button doesn't actually work. I think it may be refusing to work 
> because the folder has no data to provide a title. I eventually used the 
> advanced option to find the tiddler that represented the folder and then 
> delete it.
> 
> Next I loaded an empty 5.1.15 tw and then used the plugin manager to download 
> the EAP.  I saved and reloaded the TW. I then dragged an image into the 
> frame. The entire image flooded the frame rather than offering to import. The 
> TW was no longer accessible and I was not able to navigate backwards to the 
> TW. I closed the frame and tried to use the "open" button back in the desktop 
> manager. It would not open.
> 
> So, I closed the entire TiddlyDeskTop app and attempted to restart it. It 
> wouldn't restart. I used my Windows task manager to find the nw.exe process 
> and killed it. After that I could restart it.
> 
> Summary:
> 
> * No windows-friendly instructions how to launch
> * Removing entrees doesn't always work
> * External Attachments Plugin doesn't work
> * Dragging in an image will make your TW inaccessible
> * App doesn't shut itself down completely on closing requiring manual kill
> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
> 
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Re: [tw] Comments re TiddlyDesktop and External Attachments Plugin

Dragging and dropping exactly on the green bar still results in the image 
taking over the screen and inability to access the original TW.

Once I close TiddlyDeskTop and end the nw.exe process and restart, I can 
then re-open the original TW5 file -- but no image has been added.

In an older 5.1.14 file, without the plugin, dropping exactly on the green 
bar imports the image -- but as binary which of course is not what is 
wanted.

Thanks!
Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:53:14 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> I’ll investigate what’s happened, but in the meantime you should be able 
> to recover by deleting the data folder for TiddlyDesktop. In Windows, I 
> think it’ll be something like:
>
> c:\users\yourname\AppData\Local\TiddlyDesktop
>
> I think what went wrong with your drag and drop might be that by dragging 
> to the blank bottom area of the TW window you won’t trigger the drop 
> dialogue. Move around until you see the green bar before you release the 
> mouse. (This bug isn’t TiddlyDesktop specific, and can happen in ordinary 
> browsers too).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On 16 Nov 2017, at 17:45, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> I was interested in trying TiddlyDesktop again now that it had the 
> External Attachments Plugin (EAP).
>
> *Installing*:
>
> The only instructions are in the video, which are aimed at mac users. I 
> unzipped the file and loaded it into a directory reserved for apps without 
> a regular install.
>
> There is no indication which file you are supposed to run. Nothing that 
> starts with "tiddlydesktop." which is what you would expect. I guessed that 
> you invoke it with NW.exe -- Is this right?
>
> After running, not understanding I added a file folder that contains TW 
> files. Then I realized that this wasn't what was meant, and discovered that 
> the Remove button doesn't actually work. I think it may be refusing to work 
> because the folder has no data to provide a title. I eventually used the 
> advanced option to find the tiddler that represented the folder and then 
> delete it.
>
> Next I loaded an empty 5.1.15 tw and then used the plugin manager to 
> download the EAP.  I saved and reloaded the TW. I then dragged an image 
> into the frame. The entire image flooded the frame rather than offering to 
> import. The TW was no longer accessible and I was not able to navigate 
> backwards to the TW. I closed the frame and tried to use the "open" button 
> back in the desktop manager. It would not open.
>
> So, I closed the entire TiddlyDeskTop app and attempted to restart it. It 
> wouldn't restart. I used my Windows task manager to find the nw.exe process 
> and killed it. After that I could restart it.
>
> *Summary*:
>
> * No windows-friendly instructions how to launch
> * Removing entrees doesn't always work
> * External Attachments Plugin doesn't work
> * Dragging in an image will make your TW inaccessible
> * App doesn't shut itself down completely on closing requiring manual kill
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9 
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[tw] Re: Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Hmmm, 

I'm on Telegram. So not for me.

-m

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[tw] TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-16 Thread PaulT

After taking some time off from using Tiddlywiki (classic) I needed to use 
it again. I installed TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9 and launched my work which is 
saved on a local drive. Everything looked fine till I reloaded the file. 
Even though I'd made changes and it said they had been saved, it was the 
original unchanged file. I've played with it a bit and in the TiddlyDesktop 
everything looks normal, says it is saving, knows the right location, but 
nothing is saved. I've even searched all of my hard disks looking for any 
file created today. But nothing looks like it could be the saved TW. 

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

I T   A P P E A R S   T H ET E L E G R A P H   I S   S T I L L   W O R 
K I N G.   S T O P.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hmm, doesn't look dead:
>
> https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-is-telegram-different-from-whatsapp
>
> Dot-org, so hopefully not a company.
>
> Another interesting FAQ: "Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my 
> beloved and enslave my children?"
>
> Mark
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S., PMario & Lost Admin
>>
>> PMario in humour mode wrote ...
>>
>>> I'm on Telegram. So not for me.
>>>
>>
>> Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>>> ... In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is 
>>> proper forums...
>>>
>>
>> Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> ... I'm sure we wouldn't want to re-invent every wheel.
>>>
>>
>> IMO Google Groups is a PIT of losing your history almost before you made 
>> it.
>>
>> I'll wait a bit on PMario getting beyond the Telegram which died in 1996 
>> as far as I know. Though there are rumours some corporation stole the name 
>> recently.
>>
>> Right. Lets not re-invent the wheel. Just have one :-)
>>
>> Josiah, x  
>>
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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread TonyM

Furicle,

*I feel your pain. Although I am happy using multiple methods to save and
manage tiddlywikis and except for a few small bug fixes I could not want
for more features or options,*
*the fact is the information is not clearly **available** for a **newcomer
to choose which path to take, have clear instructions to do so, *
*and most **importantly does not demand a careful step by step, focused
process to **achieve** a basic outcome. *
*All solutions are somewhat **sensitive** in some way often **requiring** a
fix or more information and **choosing* *amongst** the options difficult.*

*In defence of the **community, a concerted effort has being made to
develop solutions and solutions are demonstrating **engineering* *excellence,
knowledge and skills of our community.*

*I have no doubt the methods and instructions will mature, and will be
packaged in some way.*

*In the mean time we will help anyone here, and work to reducing the
barriers.*

*Regards*
*Tonyt*

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-16 Thread TonyM

Josiah,

I would host for free, or a sponsor add.

I have being professionally involved in growing an online community from 
2,000 to around 45,000 in enterprise social, yammer

I would consider something like Yammer, myself which is both a chat, 
microblog and long running conversation platform, file and groups, mentions 
etc... however any new platform needs every member to adopt.
I may even be in a position to offer a yammer network as well.

The trick is to propose an alternative and invite select people to 
participate, building a team of proponents. 

They will have to champion adoption and initially mine existing channels to 
republish content until economies of scale and content levels make it self 
sustaining.

Not withstanding this we should maximise the use of tiddlywiki itself, 
"drink out own campaign" (nicer than dog food)

Regards
Tony

 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

Since I was already doing tests today on TiddlyDesktop, I downloaded a 
brand new classic and tested it. It seemed to actually save tiddler changes.

Just speculation -- I wonder if you have an older TWC that isn't saving 
with the new TD? One way to test would be to download a new empty TWC and 
see if you can get that to save. 

Good luck,
Mark

Win 7 64bit Home Premium
TD 0.0.9


On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:28:52 PM UTC-8, PaulT wrote:
>
> After taking some time off from using Tiddlywiki (classic) I needed to use 
> it again. I installed TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9 and launched my work which is 
> saved on a local drive. Everything looked fine till I reloaded the file. 
> Even though I'd made changes and it said they had been saved, it was the 
> original unchanged file. I've played with it a bit and in the TiddlyDesktop 
> everything looks normal, says it is saving, knows the right location, but 
> nothing is saved. I've even searched all of my hard disks looking for any 
> file created today. But nothing looks like it could be the saved TW. 
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Ciao Mark S., PMario & Lost Admin

PMario in humour mode wrote ...

> I'm on Telegram. So not for me.
>

Lost Admin wrote:

> ... In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is 
> proper forums...
>

Mark S. wrote:
>
> ... I'm sure we wouldn't want to re-invent every wheel.
>

IMO Google Groups is a PIT of losing your history almost before you made it.

I'll wait a bit on PMario getting beyond the Telegram which died in 1996 as 
far as I know. Though there are rumours some corporation stole the name 
recently.

Right. Lets not re-invent the wheel. Just have one :-)

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

2017-11-16 Thread coda coder

Someone should add this as a PR.

Nailed.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:17:39 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Which method of saving are you intending to use?
>
> For default saving, your file has to go in the browser downloads directory 
> OR, if you change setting to "ask each time" you can save anywhere.
>
> But, if you save with default saving without "ask each time" each save 
> will be made like file(1), file(2), etc. Which means when you restart your 
> browser you will need to find the last file(x) and launch that one.
>
> If you use BJ or Mario's save plugin, then for BJ's your file location is 
>
> /tiddlywikilocation/file or
> /tiddlywikilocation//file
>
> and for Mario's it's 
>
> //file   or
> ///file
>
> This sounds limiting, but you can put a symbolic link (linux) or a 
> junction (windows) in  which can point to anywhere else 
> on your hard drive.
>
> You can find information for making symbolic links (linux) or junctions 
> (windows) on line. I don't know what kinds of links are available for Macs, 
> but I assume they have them also.
>
> Hopefully this clears things a little,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:29:23 PM UTC-8, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I decided to create two new local tiddlywikis last night. It has been a 
>> long while (several years) since I last did this and I was immediately 
>> confused by the options in GettingStarted. 
>> Do I put the TW files in any local folder? Or, do I need to keep them in 
>> the Firefox download folder (or sub-folder within that)?
>>
>> I have seen mention of using links; while I do use Ubuntu Linux, I 
>> haven't actually created symlinks before and am not sure how they would 
>> apply with TW.
>> I also use Windows 7 and Android (and possibly Windows 10) for reading my 
>> TW, so this just adds to my stress whereby I may need a different setup in 
>> each operating system environment.
>>
>> Like some others in this thread, I would appreciate some guidance.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew Mc
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:55:37 AM UTC+13, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao BJ
>>>
>>> Right. Its very close to how FF used to be (and good) and also wider. 
>>>
>>> The issue is that someone hitting TW now using won't automatically know 
>>> its very relevant. 
>>>
>>> I was wondering WHICH of the sixteen options are universal. Your saver 
>>> looks close. But how do we let folk know what is least complex and workable?
>>>
>>>
>>> BJ wrote:

 I wrote savetiddlers to work the same as tiddlyfox - it has a one click 
 install. The extra step is that you must create a directory in the 
 downloads dirrectory called 'tiddlywikilocations' and move your 
 tiddlywikis 
 there. 
 BJ

>>>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

Ciao Furicle

Furicle wrote: I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use
> TW. I think a new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>

I think your sentiment is spot-on.

Its a bit of a insolvable issue as there is NO dedicated "Make It Simple
For Newbies" Department. The problem is that WITHIN the TW Community
(mainly here) there is great concern to enable new methods of saving. And
its SOLVED a read important issue & is (right now) being refined even
further.

Its coming out in a really GOOD place with many more options than before.
Like this ...

HOWEVER for a newbie it can be a NIGHTMARE being confronted with so many
options the implications of which, at ground zero, they can't possible know
at the start. In addition they are not all so well documented--they rely a
lot on IMPLICIT knowledge that is quite technical.

Some way of NAVIGATING one's way to a MINIMAL solution would help.

BUT, on the whole the standard TiddlyWiki has an IMPLYING on SAVING that
you are prepared to dabble in quite a lot of D.I.Y., I think

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: A Rant

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 4:58:57 PM UTC+1, Furicle wrote:
>
> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>
> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>

See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/h0k7z62N79Y
and: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9984ShVVbbA

for possible replacements. 

have fun!
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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-16 Thread Ste Wilson

I've not upgraded that one yet so it's 5.1.14

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[tw] Tiddlywiki logout button for the nodejs server

2017-11-16 Thread Guille Rmo

Hi all. I am new with tiddlywiki and I am very interested on hacking it. I 
just deployed it in my personal server and since I didn't see a logout 
button, I had to make one :) 

I made a tutorial for this and posted it in 
steemit: 
https://busy.org/utopian-io/@elguille/adding-a-logout-button-to-tiddlywiki


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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

Ciao BJ

Right. Its very close to how FF used to be (and good) and also wider. 

The issue is that someone hitting TW now using won't automatically know its 
very relevant. 

I was wondering WHICH of the sixteen options are universal. Your saver 
looks close. But how do we let folk know what is least complex and workable?


BJ wrote:
>
> I wrote savetiddlers to work the same as tiddlyfox - it has a one click 
> install. The extra step is that you must create a directory in the 
> downloads dirrectory called 'tiddlywikilocations' and move your tiddlywikis 
> there. 
> BJ
>

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[tw] Re: Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-16 Thread Tristan Kohl

I moved to DeltaChat some time ago and never looked back. A few days ago 
they started work on an iOS app so I would second Mario in this regard.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:07:32 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hmmm, 
>
> I'm on Telegram. So not for me.
>
> -m
>

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Hmm, doesn't look dead:

https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-is-telegram-different-from-whatsapp

Dot-org, so hopefully not a company.

Another interesting FAQ: "Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my 
beloved and enslave my children?"

Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S., PMario & Lost Admin
>
> PMario in humour mode wrote ...
>
>> I'm on Telegram. So not for me.
>>
>
> Lost Admin wrote:
>
>> ... In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is 
>> proper forums...
>>
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> ... I'm sure we wouldn't want to re-invent every wheel.
>>
>
> IMO Google Groups is a PIT of losing your history almost before you made 
> it.
>
> I'll wait a bit on PMario getting beyond the Telegram which died in 1996 
> as far as I know. Though there are rumours some corporation stole the name 
> recently.
>
> Right. Lets not re-invent the wheel. Just have one :-)
>
> Josiah, x  
>

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[tw] Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

Hi All

I have a TW hosted on TiddlySpot that uses TW version 5.1.14. Now that 
version 5.1.15 has been released, I would like to upgrade.
I have followed the instructions at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading and 
now have an upgraded version of the TW saved on my local drive.

My problem is, how do I get my upgraded local TW onto TiddlySpot?
Or, can I avoid creating a local file and somehow upgrade TW on TiddlySpot 
directly?

Cheers
Andrew Mc

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

2017-11-16 Thread Riz

:-D

5.14 came out with several notable improvements especially when it comes to 
drag and drop. Naturally it created a wealth of opportunities. 

It also goes on to prove that TW5 can act as a good backbone for dedicated 
single page applications. It is quite possible to have a wunderlist clone or 
teuxdeux clone in TW5. 

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

2017-11-16 Thread Stephen Wilson

You wait years for a Kanban solution the two come along at once.

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 08:55:35 UTC, Riz wrote:
>
> Also,  try the standalone version,  which has more features. 
>
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Tekkan
>
> Let me know if you have any feedback
>
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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Hello JD,

It's looking very nice!

On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest font 
level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works great and 
I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar scrolls 
down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button again. 
All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and new 
tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the top 
of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.

Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? (He 
says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there a 
minute ago...)

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself was 
> upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>   or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
> *controls 
>area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a stylesheet 
>option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

2017-11-16 Thread Eneko Gotzon

Hi Mark, thank you very much for your answer.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile
> mode by comparing this regex string:
>
> /mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i
>
> against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can navigate
> to this page:
>
> https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_nav_useragent
>
> and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user
> agent.
>

Sorry for not having been more precise: I get that warning editing the
TiddlyMap file within

TiddlyDesktop.app
 (on a macbook air), but if I open it using Tiddly Drive the warning does
not appear

.
*Maybe TiddlyDesktop is not well suited for editing TiddlyMap files?*

Thank you!


> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>>
>> Hi wonderful coders :)
>>
>> I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that
>> turns TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).
>>
>> After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the
>> wiki's sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not
>> displayed in mobile mode
>> *.
>> That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a laptop.
>>
>> I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the menu
>> options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. Perhaps
>> somebody can help me.
>>
>> Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.
>>
>> Thank you very much, code geniuses!
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

Oops. Forgot the code. Here we go.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:07:58 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't know much about Macs, and especially how TiddlyDesktop operates 
> with them.
>
> If you download a new TW file (because I don't want to endanger your 
> existing work), then you can import the attached file into that new TW. 
> Then SAVE and RELOAD.
>
> Then In TiddlyDesktop open a tiddler in that new TW and create macro 
> <> and then preview it.
>
> This should tell you what TiddlyDesktop thinks your user agent is. It 
> might help in tweaking TD or maps. Might. Maybe. Possibly. ;-)
>
> I would be curious what it reports.
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark, thank you very much for your answer.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile 
>>> mode by comparing this regex string:
>>>
>>> /mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i
>>>
>>> against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can 
>>> navigate to this page:
>>>
>>> https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_nav_useragent
>>>
>>> and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user 
>>> agent.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for not having been more precise: I get that warning editing the 
>> TiddlyMap file within
>>  
>> TiddlyDesktop.app
>>  (on a macbook air), but if I open it using Tiddly Drive the warning 
>> does not appear 
>> 
>> . 
>> *Maybe TiddlyDesktop is not well suited for editing TiddlyMap files?*
>>
>> Thank you!
>>  
>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:

 Hi wonderful coders :)

 I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that 
 turns TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).

 After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the 
 wiki's sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not 
 displayed in mobile mode 
 *.
  
 That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a 
 laptop.

 I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the 
 menu options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. 
 Perhaps somebody can help me.

 Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.

 Thank you very much, code geniuses!
 -- 
 *Eneko Gotzon Ares*
 *Izan, egon, egin*
 *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
 *Tf *
 *(+34) 943 273 431 - (+34) 639 626 858*
 *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko 
 dira eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz 
 gero berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea 
 eskertuko litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota 
 bhttps://drive.google.com/a/dondom.net/file/d/1xlwb-9p2Qhd4HAGgoCDk_7XJRI_auAuB/view?usp=sharing
  
 ere
  
 edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu 
 elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun 
 balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote 
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>> *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko dira 
>> eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero 
>> berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea eskertuko 
>> litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota bere 
>> edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu 
>> elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun 
>>

Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

I don't know much about Macs, and especially how TiddlyDesktop operates 
with them.

If you download a new TW file (because I don't want to endanger your 
existing work), then you can import the attached file into that new TW. 
Then SAVE and RELOAD.

Then In TiddlyDesktop open a tiddler in that new TW and create macro 
<> and then preview it.

This should tell you what TiddlyDesktop thinks your user agent is. It might 
help in tweaking TD or maps. Might. Maybe. Possibly. ;-)

I would be curious what it reports.

Good luck!
Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>
> Hi Mark, thank you very much for your answer.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile 
>> mode by comparing this regex string:
>>
>> /mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i
>>
>> against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can 
>> navigate to this page:
>>
>> https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_nav_useragent
>>
>> and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user 
>> agent.
>>
>
> Sorry for not having been more precise: I get that warning editing the 
> TiddlyMap file within
>  
> TiddlyDesktop.app
>  (on a macbook air), but if I open it using Tiddly Drive the warning does 
> not appear 
> 
> . 
> *Maybe TiddlyDesktop is not well suited for editing TiddlyMap files?*
>
> Thank you!
>  
>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi wonderful coders :)
>>>
>>> I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that 
>>> turns TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).
>>>
>>> After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the 
>>> wiki's sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not 
>>> displayed in mobile mode 
>>> *.
>>>  
>>> That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a laptop.
>>>
>>> I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the 
>>> menu options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. 
>>> Perhaps somebody can help me.
>>>
>>> Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much, code geniuses!
>>> -- 
>>> *Eneko Gotzon Ares*
>>> *Izan, egon, egin*
>>> *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
>>> *Tf *
>>> *(+34) 943 273 431 - (+34) 639 626 858*
>>> *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko 
>>> dira eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz 
>>> gero berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea 
>>> eskertuko litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota 
>>> bhttps://drive.google.com/a/dondom.net/file/d/1xlwb-9p2Qhd4HAGgoCDk_7XJRI_auAuB/view?usp=sharing
>>>  
>>> ere
>>>  
>>> edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu 
>>> elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun 
>>> balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote 
>>> edonolako ardurei.*
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>
>
> -- 
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> *Izan, egon, egin*
> *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
> *Tf *
> *(+34) 943 273 431 - (+34) 639 626 858*
> *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko dira 
> eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero 
> berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea eskertuko 
> litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota bere 
> edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu 
> elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun 
> balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote 
> edonolako ardurei.*
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

2017-11-16 Thread Eneko Gotzon

I am exhausted, I must go to sleep, tomorrow I will follow.

Thank you for helping me. See you tomorrow!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I don't know much about Macs, and especially how TiddlyDesktop operates
> with them.
>
> If you download a new TW file (because I don't want to endanger your
> existing work), then you can import the attached file into that new TW.
> Then SAVE and RELOAD.
>
> Then In TiddlyDesktop open a tiddler in that new TW and create macro
> <> and then preview it.
>
> This should tell you what TiddlyDesktop thinks your user agent is. It
> might help in tweaking TD or maps. Might. Maybe. Possibly. ;-)
>
> I would be curious what it reports.
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark, thank you very much for your answer.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile
>>> mode by comparing this regex string:
>>>
>>> /mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i
>>>
>>> against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can
>>> navigate to this page:
>>>
>>> https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_
>>> nav_useragent
>>>
>>> and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user
>>> agent.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for not having been more precise: I get that warning editing the
>> TiddlyMap file within
>>
>> TiddlyDesktop.app
>>  (on a macbook air), but if I open it using Tiddly Drive the warning
>> does not appear
>> 
>> .
>> *Maybe TiddlyDesktop is not well suited for editing TiddlyMap files?*
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:

 Hi wonderful coders :)

 I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that
 turns TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).

 After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the
 wiki's sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not
 displayed in mobile mode
 *.
 That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a 
 laptop.

 I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the
 menu options nor either information about how to overcome the warning.
 Perhaps somebody can help me.

 Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.

 Thank you very much, code geniuses!
 --
 *Eneko Gotzon Ares*
 *Izan, egon, egin*
 *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
 *Tf *
 *(+34) 943 273 431 - (+34) 639 626 858*
 *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko
 dira eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz
 gero berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea
 eskertuko litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota
 bhttps://drive.google.com/a/dondom.net/file/d/1xlwb-9p2Qhd4HAGgoCDk_7XJRI_auAuB/view?usp=sharing
 ere
 edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu
 elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun
 balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote
 edonolako ardurei.*

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>> *Izan, egon, egin*
>> *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
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>> <+34%20639%2062%2068%2058>*
>> *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko dira
>> eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero
>> berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea eskertuko
>> litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota bere
>> edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein

[tw] TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

2017-11-16 Thread Eneko Gotzon

Hi wonderful coders :)

I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that turns
TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).

After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the wiki's
sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not displayed in
mobile mode
*.
That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a laptop.

I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the menu
options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. Perhaps
somebody can help me.

Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.

Thank you very much, code geniuses!
--
*Eneko Gotzon Ares*
*Izan, egon, egin*
*Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
*Tf *
*(+34) 943 273 431 <+34%20943%2027%2034%2031> - (+34) 639 626 858
<+34%20639%2062%2068%2058>*
*——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko dira
eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero
berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea eskertuko
litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota bere
edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu
elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun
balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote
edonolako ardurei.*

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[tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile 
mode by comparing this regex string:

/mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i


against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can navigate 
to this page:

https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_nav_useragent

and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user 
agent.

I'm wondering if your laptop is a chrome book?

There used to be one or more extensions for Firefox that would let you 
return your own custom user agent string. Depending on browser and platform 
perhaps those are still available?

Good luck!
Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>
> Hi wonderful coders :)
>
> I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that 
> turns TW onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).
>
> After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the wiki's 
> sidebar but also a warning saying that *The editor is not displayed in 
> mobile mode 
> *.
>  
> That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a laptop.
>
> I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the menu 
> options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. Perhaps 
> somebody can help me.
>
> Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.
>
> Thank you very much, code geniuses!
> -- 
> *Eneko Gotzon Ares*
> *Izan, egon, egin*
> *Donostia – EH, Baskonia, NA Oso*
> *Tf *
> *(+34) 943 273 431 - (+34) 639 626 858*
> *——Mezu hau eta berari atxikitako agiri oro isilpeko dira 
> eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero 
> berau ezabatzea eskatzen da eta igorleari horren berri ematea eskertuko 
> litzake. Baimen agerikorik gabe debekatuta dago mezu honen edota bere 
> edukinen edozein erabilera edo hedatzea, bai osoki zein zatiz. Mezu 
> elektronikoak andea daitezke; mezu hau andeaturik, aldaturik edota aizun 
> balego Eneko Gotzon Aresek edota bere ordezkariek uko egiten diote 
> edonolako ardurei.*
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-16 Thread Paul Truzzi

Oh I'm sure it is old, it isn't the new fangled TW5 (I'd move over if I
could find a theme that looked like the classic). The one I'm running
says it is TiddlyWiki 2.8.1.

On 11/16/2017 2:54 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
Since I was already doing tests today on TiddlyDesktop, I downloaded a
brand new classic and tested it. It seemed to actually save tiddler
changes.

Just speculation -- I wonder if you have an older TWC that isn't
saving with the new TD? One way to test would be to download a new
empty TWC and see if you can get that to save.

Good luck,
Mark

Win 7 64bit Home Premium
TD 0.0.9

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:28:52 PM UTC-8, PaulT wrote:

After taking some time off from using Tiddlywiki (classic) I
needed to use it again. I installed TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9 and
launched my work which is saved on a local drive. Everything
looked fine till I reloaded the file. Even though I'd made changes
and it said they had been saved, it was the original unchanged
file. I've played with it a bit and in the TiddlyDesktop
everything looks normal, says it is saving, knows the right
location, but nothing is saved. I've even searched all of my hard
disks looking for any file created today. But nothing looks like
it could be the saved TW.

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[tw] Re: Image and text alignment

Hi,

I did make a small bundle some time ago. It's attached here. You can 
download it, and drag and drop import it to tiddlywiki.com to play with it. 

have fun!
mario

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Description: application/json

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-16 Thread JD

Hey, thanks for the feedback! Yes, I  wanted to use Riz's sidebar with 
this, but it seems I forgot to add " !important" to the "top" parameter of 
tc-sidebar-scrollable... I'll have this fixed by 1.0.1, which is probably 
tomorrow. Another: the search results of the simple-search is drawn behind 
the sidebar and vertical tab buttons. 

Regarding the search-for-themes bug, I want to replicate the issue to see 
what tiddler needs fixing, can I ask what edition you loaded the plugin 
into?  Loading it into Tiddlywiki.com and Tiddlywiki.com/empty.html isn't 
showing that search-for-themes bug for me. Thanks!



On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:30:47 PM UTC+9, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>
> Hi JD, 
> Just giving this a test.  Thoughts so far...it plays nicely with Riz's 
> sidebar, which is good :)
>
> The default (I.e. what I see after dragging the plugin and refreshing) on 
> mobile the initial refresh shoes a search for themes.  Closing it and 
> resaving on mobile seems to get rid of this. 
>
> On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:07:04 UTC, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>   or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>> *controls 
>>area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>> stylesheet 
>>option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>
>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

2017-11-16 Thread JD

Hello, have you tried going to *Control Panel* >> *Saving* >> *TiddlySpot 
Saver* ? Just input your Wiki Name and Password there, and then save. 
That's how I did it.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:01:21 PM UTC+9, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I have a TW hosted on TiddlySpot that uses TW version 5.1.14. Now that 
> version 5.1.15 has been released, I would like to upgrade.
> I have followed the instructions at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading and 
> now have an upgraded version of the TW saved on my local drive.
>
> My problem is, how do I get my upgraded local TW onto TiddlySpot?
> Or, can I avoid creating a local file and somehow upgrade TW on TiddlySpot 
> directly?
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Mc
>
>

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

Which method of saving are you intending to use?

For default saving, your file has to go in the browser downloads directory 
OR, if you change setting to "ask each time" you can save anywhere.

But, if you save with default saving without "ask each time" each save will 
be made like file(1), file(2), etc. Which means when you restart your 
browser you will need to find the last file(x) and launch that one.

If you use BJ or Mario's save plugin, then for BJ's your file location is 

/tiddlywikilocation/file or
/tiddlywikilocation//file

and for Mario's it's 

//file   or
///file

This sounds limiting, but you can put a symbolic link (linux) or a junction 
(windows) in  which can point to anywhere else on your 
hard drive.

You can find information for making symbolic links (linux) or junctions 
(windows) on line. I don't know what kinds of links are available for Macs, 
but I assume they have them also.

Hopefully this clears things a little,

Mark


On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:29:23 PM UTC-8, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I decided to create two new local tiddlywikis last night. It has been a 
> long while (several years) since I last did this and I was immediately 
> confused by the options in GettingStarted. 
> Do I put the TW files in any local folder? Or, do I need to keep them in 
> the Firefox download folder (or sub-folder within that)?
>
> I have seen mention of using links; while I do use Ubuntu Linux, I haven't 
> actually created symlinks before and am not sure how they would apply with 
> TW.
> I also use Windows 7 and Android (and possibly Windows 10) for reading my 
> TW, so this just adds to my stress whereby I may need a different setup in 
> each operating system environment.
>
> Like some others in this thread, I would appreciate some guidance.
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Mc
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:55:37 AM UTC+13, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao BJ
>>
>> Right. Its very close to how FF used to be (and good) and also wider. 
>>
>> The issue is that someone hitting TW now using won't automatically know 
>> its very relevant. 
>>
>> I was wondering WHICH of the sixteen options are universal. Your saver 
>> looks close. But how do we let folk know what is least complex and workable?
>>
>>
>> BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> I wrote savetiddlers to work the same as tiddlyfox - it has a one click 
>>> install. The extra step is that you must create a directory in the 
>>> downloads dirrectory called 'tiddlywikilocations' and move your tiddlywikis 
>>> there. 
>>> BJ
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

Yes, I did try that, but was not successful. I will try again once I am 
back at my home computer.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 11:38:30 PM UTC+13, JD wrote:
>
> Hello, have you tried going to *Control Panel* >> *Saving* >> *TiddlySpot 
> Saver* ? Just input your Wiki Name and Password there, and then save. 
> That's how I did it.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:01:21 PM UTC+9, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I have a TW hosted on TiddlySpot that uses TW version 5.1.14. Now that 
>> version 5.1.15 has been released, I would like to upgrade.
>> I have followed the instructions at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading 
>> and now have an upgraded version of the TW saved on my local drive.
>>
>> My problem is, how do I get my upgraded local TW onto TiddlySpot?
>> Or, can I avoid creating a local file and somehow upgrade TW on 
>> TiddlySpot directly?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew Mc
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

Hi All

I decided to create two new local tiddlywikis last night. It has been a 
long while (several years) since I last did this and I was immediately 
confused by the options in GettingStarted. 
Do I put the TW files in any local folder? Or, do I need to keep them in 
the Firefox download folder (or sub-folder within that)?

I have seen mention of using links; while I do use Ubuntu Linux, I haven't 
actually created symlinks before and am not sure how they would apply with 
TW.
I also use Windows 7 and Android (and possibly Windows 10) for reading my 
TW, so this just adds to my stress whereby I may need a different setup in 
each operating system environment.

Like some others in this thread, I would appreciate some guidance.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:55:37 AM UTC+13, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao BJ
>
> Right. Its very close to how FF used to be (and good) and also wider. 
>
> The issue is that someone hitting TW now using won't automatically know 
> its very relevant. 
>
> I was wondering WHICH of the sixteen options are universal. Your saver 
> looks close. But how do we let folk know what is least complex and workable?
>
>
> BJ wrote:
>>
>> I wrote savetiddlers to work the same as tiddlyfox - it has a one click 
>> install. The extra step is that you must create a directory in the 
>> downloads dirrectory called 'tiddlywikilocations' and move your tiddlywikis 
>> there. 
>> BJ
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

2017-11-16 Thread Birthe C

I have upgraded a couple of my TW's on tiddlyspot, but it was not without 
difficulties. I had to try several times before success. When the upgraded 
TW finally was uploaded to tiddlyspot, I could not save. I am sure my 
password was entered correct, but got the mismatch message. I failed to see 
any logic in this.

I could open on my TW on tiddlyspot in firefox and save without any 
problems using the very same password.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-16 Thread iain

I have experienced the same problem with TW classic - I assumed it was the 
older version of TW Classic that was the problem. It might be good is 
someone has a suggested solution.

Iain

On Friday, 17 November 2017 09:28:52 UTC+11, PaulT wrote:
>
> After taking some time off from using Tiddlywiki (classic) I needed to use 
> it again. I installed TiddlyDesktop 0.0.9 and launched my work which is 
> saved on a local drive. Everything looked fine till I reloaded the file. 
> Even though I'd made changes and it said they had been saved, it was the 
> original unchanged file. I've played with it a bit and in the TiddlyDesktop 
> everything looks normal, says it is saving, knows the right location, but 
> nothing is saved. I've even searched all of my hard disks looking for any 
> file created today. But nothing looks like it could be the saved TW. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

2017-11-16 Thread Birthe C

When TW5 was in the beta stage Matabele created http://wills.tiddlyspot.com/ 
with 
lots of ticklers.

I've always given op on complex systems. It takes longer time to learn to 
know them - and to use them. Better get things done than keep all those 
systems going.

With Thomas ToDoNow I finally got something I love to use. Better still my 
friend started to use tiddlywiki to use ToDoNow.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

2017-11-16 Thread Riz

For android users, in case Antidwiki failed to work for you, here is the step
by step instructions for an absolute beginner to set up a web-dav server.

1. Install a web-dav server app. The app I used is
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.theolivetree.webdavserver=en

2. Create a folder in your internal memory/internal storage. Let us say,
myFolder. Place your TW5s in here.

3. Open the app. Select settings menu of the app (top right corner). Change
the following items.

- Network Interface: Loopback
- Home directory: Custom folder
- Custom folder; /sdcard/myFolder

4. Back to the main interface of the app. Start the server.

5. Open your mobile browser and type in the address field: "127.0.0.1:8080"

6. A page will open listing all files you placed in "myFolder". Open a
tiddlywiki and try saving after some modifications.

Pros:
- Several Web-dav server apps are available in play store, you are not bound
with one.
- Relatively easier to set up. Once the first set is done, subsequent launches
is just a matter of starting the server from the app.

Cons:
- So far, external sdcard saving has not worked for me.

Extra tips:
- You can use an app like
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dk.tacit.android.foldersync.lite=en
to sync the "myFolder" to dropbox/gdrive/onedrive.
- If you have like one major Tiddlywiki, you can add a shortcut to it placed in
your home-screen. While your TW is open, select "Add to home-screen" from the
overflow menu of chrome browser (the three dots menu on the top right).

Personally I am a fan of Tiddlyserver by Arlen and is using the same in
android. However, setting it up in android involves a few more steps and
might scare a terminal-shy new-comer away, admittedly. Nevertheless, if
anyone wants to do it and need help, by all means ask.

Live long and prosper,
Riz

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-16 Thread Stephen Wilson

Hi JD, 
Just giving this a test.  Thoughts so far...it plays nicely with Riz's 
sidebar, which is good :)

The default (I.e. what I see after dragging the plugin and refreshing) on 
mobile the initial refresh shoes a search for themes.  Closing it and 
resaving on mobile seems to get rid of this. 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:07:04 UTC, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself was 
> upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>   or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
> *controls 
>area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a stylesheet 
>option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: version 0.6 of savetiddlers now available

2017-11-16 Thread Platykurtic

Thanks! I just installed & tested the latest version & it works great. Any 
plans to eventually add this to Firefox & Chrome's add-in repositories once 
you are comfortable that savetiddlers is stable enough?

Thanks again!

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:26:55 PM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:
>
> Anyway, everything seems to work when the TWs are opened from the folder 
> that, in the Firefox settings, is specified as download folder -- standard 
> or non-standard doesn’t matter. Sorry for the confucion, I’m happy ... I 
> think. ;)
>

Ahh, You are right, the video may be confusing in this regard. ... I will 
make it clear in the final version. 

It is the FireFox downloads folder, that will be tested by the temp(x).html 
file. ... 

Unfortunately there is no other way in the AddOn API, that lets me check 
the FF download folder setting. ... 
At least I don't know one. So if anybody has a better info, please let me 
know. 

I did test the FF download folder setting, and it seems to work.

-m

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 7:09:03 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You need a catchier name. Like HanoiSaver or  57Savers, or Save-n-back, or 
> FoxySave -- something to make it easy to remember, find, and search for.
>

HanoiSaver ... I don't need to save Hanoi. I'm sure they can take care for 
them selfs :)

But you are right. I'll consider a different one for the final V1.0.0 
version 
-m 

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:22:14 PM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot! Tested it on Win 7 64 Bit, FF 57. Saving and backups work 
> ONLY if the FF download folder is set to the Windows download folder. If 
> this is not the case, i.e. in the FF options a custom folder is set for 
> downloads, only the very first save (after the "save again!" notice) works, 
> but no later saves and no backups. The temp(x).html is saved to the custom 
> folder.
>

This seems to be a bug. ... I'll have a closer look. I actually forgot to 
test that usecase. .. 
 
-m

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