Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Interesting stuff guys.I have an Audionote Dac Zero,with which the touch sounds substantially better than via it's analogue out.The analogue is still good,and both sound better than my Arcam with the dac. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Good stuff Ali.. what Arcam you got again? Just trying to get a comparative feel for the Touches Analogue out quality.. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Just the CD 63,but I also have a Marantz CD94 MKII that has had it's DAC section removed so is just a transport,and I'd say the Touch sounds better than it. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
cool, sounding better and better! What arcam? couldnt find a cd63! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Sorry,typo,I'm doing this on my phone.It's the CD62. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Interesting! I received my Touch last night and within 5 minutes had it playing. It took me longer to get it out of the box than to get it playing music! The first thing I did was plug the Touch into my Oracle DAC1000 right next to my Duet, synced the Touch with the Duet, level-matched them and then proceeded to listen to a few of my favorite albums, occasionally switching between Touch and Duet. The switch was so seamless that frequently I thought it did not actually switch. After perhaps an hour or so of listening I did begin to hear subtle differences with the Touch being a wee bit more relaxed, refined and defined. I do wonder if the Touch needs 'breakin' time... anyone with experience on that? I have not YET attempted to compare via the Touch analog outs but will certainly do that at some point. I will say that running the Duet digital out thru my DAC was dramatically better than the Duet analog outs. Overall, I am one very happy Touch owner. My Duet will soon be demoted to kitchen duty. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Good stuff! Yes,I've heard a Duet via analogue out for a quick listen and I wasn't impressed.Interesting it's very close to the Touch via digi out. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Out of curiosity, when you previously compared the analog out of the SB3 vs Lavry, did you conduct the test the same way as the comparison of the Lavry vs Touch? i.e. Level matched and with the ability to -instantly- switch between the two. -- Merlinwerks Merlinwerks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20433 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Merlinwerks;533696 Wrote: Out of curiosity, when you previously compared the analog out of the SB3 vs Lavry, did you conduct the test the same way as the comparison of the Lavry vs Touch? i.e. Level matched and with the ability to -instantly- switch between the two. Yes. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
give the guy a break! thats twice he's said it was all IMHO etc etc :) Im sure as the days go on there will be more equally as good audio (not audioPHILE ;)) comparisons. Id be checking the Audiophile forums for that. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mlsstl;533516 Wrote: Sorry I wasn't clear. Let me try again. 1. The Lavry sounds like the Lavry whether I'm using the SB3 or the Touch as the digital source for the DA-10. 2. As such, my original comments about the analog output of the Touch compared to the Lavry still stand. On day 3 of listening, things are still very, very close for me. I think the Lavry is ever so subtly better, but it is in the territory where I have to really work at it to notice. So, in that sense, the analog output of the Touch is definitively superior to the SB3. This seems reasonable to me - I've always found/felt the Lavry to be quite transport-insensitive...OTH it always sounds like the Lavry. Remember there's no such thing as a (truly) neutral DAC - they all have some kind of sonic signature. Some dacs are more transport sensitive and these I would expect to be improved by the Touch compared to the SB3 - based on my own experiences and also the findings of others such as Pat at ART Audio and John Swenson. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mlsstl;533700 Wrote: I will reiterate that this is just my experience and other people can and will reach different conclusions. I only compared them for the purpose of making an equipment choice for myself. I make no representation of scientific rigor or universal application. Gazjam;533715 Wrote: give the guy a break! thats twice he's said it was all IMHO etc etc :) Im sure as the days go on there will be more equally as good audio (not audioPHILE ;)) comparisons. Id be checking the Audiophile forums for that. Easy guys :) I was definitely not questioning the results, actually I'm not surprised by them. I just wanted to confirm that both tests (SB3 vs. Lavry and Lavry vs. Touch) were done the same way. I really believe that if more people had the ability to instantly compare two devices as opposed to relying on audio memory, there would be about half the number of audio companies that there are right now ;) -- Merlinwerks Merlinwerks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20433 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Merlinwerks;533788 Wrote: Easy guys :) I was definitely not questioning the results, actually I'm not surprised by them. I just wanted to confirm that both tests (SB3 vs. Lavry and Lavry vs. Touch) were done the same way. I really believe that if more people had the ability to instantly compare two devices as opposed to relying on audio memory, there would be about half the number of audio companies that there are right now ;) Sorry. I was trying to be funny, not terse. That's a hazard with short posts - no way to include inflection or body language. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
me either! :) all smilies firmly in place.. And your right, if you can directly switch between sources it's alway better. What surprised me a wee bit was the similar sound quality between the sb3 and the Touch via digital out. I think m modded beresford caiman dac is quite transport sensitive going by recently having to try different dvd players to act as digital transport into my Dac. (I sold my sb3 so back to silver discs for awhile!!) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Neither my Flickr nor Facebook picture albums can be shown by the Touch. My SQB Radio has no problems with it, so settings/account are fine. I (try) use these as 'when stopped' screensaver...start loading...error: Could not retrieve imagefile. Check player's network connectivity -- Sakkerju Squeezebox Server-7.5.1 SSODS *** Squeezebox Radio *** Squeezebox Touch *** WD TV Live Media Player Synology DS209+II - DSM 2.3-1141 - WD Caviar WD20EARS 2TB (RAID1) *** Linksys WRT320N 1Gb Sakkerju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37149 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Neither my Flickr nor Facebook picture albums can be shown by the Touch. My SQB Radio has no problems with it, so settings/account are fine. I (try) use these as 'when stopped' screensaver...start loading...error: Could not retrieve imagefile. Check player's network connectivity -- Sakkerju Squeezebox Server-7.5.1 SSODS *** Squeezebox Radio *** Squeezebox Touch *** WD TV Live Media Player Synology DS209+II - DSM 2.3-1141 - WD Caviar WD20EARS 2TB (RAID1) *** Linksys WRT320N 1Gb Sakkerju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37149 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
erland;533241 Wrote: 1. Audio quality is comparable or even slightly better on the Touch depending on what amplifier/speaker/DAC you connect it to. SLIGHTLY better? Im using my (well, I WAS..) SB3 connected to a Beresford Caiman Dac and sounded sublime to me. The touch screen and the new interface etc wasnt a feature for me as I used IPENG on my Ipod to control my music. A few of the Beta testers over on the Audiophile forum reported that the digital output on the Touch was SIGNIFICANTLY better than the SB3...to the extent that if you were using a DAC and were choosing between the Trasporter and the Touch.. ..get the Touch. if its to be used purely as a digital transport into a good Dac. Did you compare the SB3 and the Touch via digital outs into a Dac or...? Just curious...the improved sound quality through the digital out was my only reason for selling my SB3..gonna miss the big VU meters! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Gazjam;533292 Wrote: SLIGHTLY better? A few of the Beta testers over on the Audiophile forum reported that the digital output on the Touch was SIGNIFICANTLY better than the SB3...to the extent that if you were using a DAC and were choosing between the Trasporter and the Touch.. I've only tried the analogue outputs, as I've understood there might be a bigger difference on the digital outputs as long as you feed them into a good DAC. I don't have an external DAC and the built-in one in my Sherwood RVD-9090 receiver isn't good enough to justify using the Touch with digital outputs. I've not done a A/B blind test with the analogue outputs, I've just compared the SB3 and Touch by switching the receiver inputs myself. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
erland;533356 Wrote: I've only tried the analogue outputs, as I've understood there might be a bigger difference on the digital outputs as long as you feed them into a good DAC. I don't have an external DAC and the built-in one in my Sherwood RVD-9090 receiver isn't good enough to justify using the Touch with digital outputs. I've not done a A/B blind test with the analogue outputs, I've just compared the SB3 and Touch by switching the receiver inputs myself. I've used a SB3 with a Lavry DA10 DAC for the past couple of years as my primary music source. The Touch arrived Friday and I spent quite a bit of time the past couple of days listening to the Touch. I level-matched the SB3/Lavry output with the Touch and synced the two players. I was then able to switch between the two inputs for back-to-back comparison. The difference between the SB3 analog out and though the Lavry is quite noticeable to me (though I don't consider the SB3 analog bad - just rather pedestrian.) In comparing the Touch analog out to the SB3/Lavry, the difference is extremely subtle in my book. I have to strain to hear the difference. I am very impressed and will probably end up selling my Lavry. In audiophile-land, the Touch has no right to sound as good as it does for the price. ;-) However, I'm sure others will disagree with that thinking, but that's fine by me. When I have to strain to hear the difference between two pieces of equipment, that's a sign for me to let go of the issue and just enjoy the music. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mlsstl;533436 Wrote: In comparing the Touch analog out to the SB3/Lavry, the difference is extremely subtle in my book. I have to strain to hear the difference. I am very impressed and will probably end up selling my Lavry. In audiophile-land, the Touch has no right to sound as good as it does for the price. ;-) But what about the Touch Lavry compared to the Touch with analog out? -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mlsstl;533436 Wrote: I've used a SB3 with a Lavry DA10 DAC for the past couple of years as my primary music source. The Touch arrived Friday and I spent quite a bit of time the past couple of days listening to the Touch. I level-matched the SB3/Lavry output with the Touch and synced the two players. I was then able to switch between the two inputs for back-to-back comparison. The difference between the SB3 analog out and though the Lavry is quite noticeable to me (though I don't consider the SB3 analog bad - just rather pedestrian.) In comparing the Touch analog out to the SB3/Lavry, the difference is extremely subtle in my book. I have to strain to hear the difference. I am very impressed and will probably end up selling my Lavry. In audiophile-land, the Touch has no right to sound as good as it does for the price. ;-) However, I'm sure others will disagree with that thinking, but that's fine by me. When I have to strain to hear the difference between two pieces of equipment, that's a sign for me to let go of the issue and just enjoy the music. It is just good rational decision making. I see so many people who let other people determine their preferences that it is refreshing to see the other side of the coin. -- Kevin Haskins Kevin Haskins's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30729 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
bloody hell.. I had heard the Touch sounded goodbut thats a great Dac its up against! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mlsstl;533436 Wrote: ...However, I'm sure others will disagree with that thinking, but that's fine by me. When I have to strain to hear the difference between two pieces of equipment, that's a sign for me to let go of the issue and just enjoy the music. And fact is, that in the end, it is all between the ears! -- Sakkerju Squeezebox Server-7.5.1 SSODS *** Squeezebox Radio *** Squeezebox Touch *** WD TV Live Media Player Synology DS209+II - DSM 2.3-1141 - WD Caviar WD20EARS 2TB (RAID1) *** Linksys WRT320N 1Gb Sakkerju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37149 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
or all in the head? :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Gazjam;533451 Wrote: bloody hell.. I had heard the Touch sounded goodbut thats a great Dac its up against! Keep in mind that is just my opinion. While I love good music played on a fine stereo, I've never been one to chase that last fraction of [insert buzz word here]. I would probably give the Lavry first place based on my long experience, but frankly the differences are quite subtle in my book. Other people with different stereos, or who concentrate on different factors, could well reach a different opinion. Just to set a point of reference, I have very eclectic tastes in music but my personal reference point is how well a system handles the music of voice and acoustic instruments. I've got a fairly simple system where the source feeds an Image 65i tube amp (6550 outputs) to a pair of Spendor SP1/2E speakers. Nothing fancy, but I really enjoy the way it plays music. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Boulderguy;533028 Wrote: The touchscreen is obvious of course. Specifically, I'm curious about things like this - It's in my bathroom now and I love it there because it's the only one of my Squeezeboxes on which I really don't _have to_ use a remote - which is what I need in a bathroom. So from a usability perspective it's really good, though the only other Squeezebox I sometimes use the built-in UI on is the Radio in the kitchen, on all others I only control them remotely, music selection is purely remotely (iPeng, obviously) except for the Touch. How does the use of a USB HD compare to using the SB server software? Does it eliminate the 2-10 sec delays so common with the server? Having the music collection reside on the SB is my primary motivation for getting a touch, is it worth it? Don't know what server you use. If it's a decent one (not ReadyNAS or something) and you still seeing these delays something else is going on which will probably not be fixed by the Touch. The server on the Touch is faster than a NAS and slower than a PC or fast server. It's well usable. If you _really_ want to go fast, get the 7.6 beta, that's the Touch's server for big systems. How does the user interface compare to the SB3 in terms of intuitiveness friendliness? For instance, is it readable from across the room? Does it use the same menus format? Menus are different, but as much as I still love my SB3 I never considered it usable using it's own UI. Touch is much better. Readability across the screen is still better on the SB3 but the Touch looks much cooler with the big cover art. Especially if you use all the cool screen savers one can build with Erland's CustomClock Applet If I'm listening at nite with the lites off, is the Touch going to light up the room with it's screen? Face it: yes. I can leave out the light in my bathroom and find my way. Any usability quirks, headaches or assets that aren't obvious before owning a touch? You have to keep in mind how the server works or you are going to be confused: If you plug in a USB stick (or disc) it first scans the library before showing stuff in the menus. Unfortunately it doesn't talk about that at all so if you don't know what it's doing you can easily think it doesn't work correctly. That's quite confusing, I believe What's your favorite thing (compared to SB3)? That it's got a screen that is big enough to be able to actually find music on the device. Least favorite? That the display doesn't get dark The thing you wish you knew before getting it? Nothing. It's much better than what I expected it to be. Audio Quality: I find it to be better than the SB3, which also came as a surprise to me yet frankly I believe both are good enough and it's easier (and more rewarding) to tweak the rest of your Audio chain. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mdconnelly;533473 Wrote: So... you mean you couldn't tell any difference between the Touch with Lavry DAC versus the Touch with analog outs? (earlier you said that the Lavry was quite an improvement when coupled with the Sb3 so I want to make sure I understand what you mean by 'with either source'). Thanks! Sorry I wasn't clear. Let me try again. 1. The Lavry sounds like the Lavry whether I'm using the SB3 or the Touch as the digital source for the DA-10. 2. As such, my original comments about the analog output of the Touch compared to the Lavry still stand. On day 3 of listening, things are still very, very close for me. I think the Lavry is ever so subtly better, but it is in the territory where I have to really work at it to notice. So, in that sense, the analog output of the Touch is definitively superior to the SB3. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
