Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher wrote: A huge amount of the UDD importer's interesting code is in one file, icommon.py. I'd like to submit a series of changes to break it up such that only the most common bits of code remain there. This all sounds pretty reasonable to me. However I don't much care for the “ifoo” module naming convention. I assume the “i” stands for “importer” but it always makes me think “interface” first. If we want a namespace for these modules (and I think we do; namespaces are a good idea[1]) then let's do that the standard Python way: with a package. Because I'm uncreative with names I suggest calling it “package_importer”, or perhaps “udd”. So rather than “idatabase” I propose “package_importer.database”. What do you think? This would have the advantage of keeping the directory of scripts that are interesting for a person to run mostly separate from the libraries used to implement them. At the moment they're jumbled together. -Andrew. [1] Actually, not just good, honking great: python -c 'import this' -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
On 23/05/11 07:42, Andrew Bennetts wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: A huge amount of the UDD importer's interesting code is in one file, icommon.py. I'd like to submit a series of changes to break it up such that only the most common bits of code remain there. This all sounds pretty reasonable to me. However I don't much care for the “ifoo” module naming convention. I assume the “i” stands for “importer” but it always makes me think “interface” first. If we want a namespace for these modules (and I think we do; namespaces are a good idea[1]) then let's do that the standard Python way: with a package. Because I'm uncreative with names I suggest calling it “package_importer”, or perhaps “udd”. So rather than “idatabase” I propose “package_importer.database”. What do you think? This would have the advantage of keeping the directory of scripts that are interesting for a person to run mostly separate from the libraries used to implement them. At the moment they're jumbled together. -Andrew. [1] Actually, not just good, honking great: python -c 'import this' package_importer is a bit long. udd works for me, especially as the project lives in lp:udd. Once we have a namespace, I'm inclined to move the tests there too - that would sidestep naughty packages which install top-level tests modules on the system path. Max. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher m...@f2s.com writes: A huge amount of the UDD importer's interesting code is in one file, icommon.py. I'd like to submit a series of changes to break it up such that only the most common bits of code remain there. +1 Assuming the idea is liked, I think the best way to proceed would be for me to do a single one of these moves, merge-propose it, wait for approval, land it, and repeat the cycle until done. Sounds like a good plan. I've been willing to do that too, the main risk is to miss a dependency for a given script and catch it only when it breaks. I've tried to identify all scripts and record where they were used (see importer.crontab and etc-init.d-mass-import for some) but I'm not sure I got them all. I know this sounds a bit like FUD at this point so don't get too scared either ;) I won't mind additional smoke blackbox tests to cover that (but won't block a patch because of that either). This should minimize clashing with other branches trying to land, and potentially awkward merges. /me nods Vincent -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher _...@maxb.eu writes: snip/ package_importer is a bit long. udd works for me, especially as the project lives in lp:udd. +1 Once we have a namespace, I'm inclined to move the tests there too - that would sidestep naughty packages which install top-level tests modules on the system path. +1 Vincent -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Status of documentation
Hello, Am 20.05.2011 17:46, schrieb Barry Warsaw: A couple of quick notes on UDD documentation. At UDS-O, we agreed that the current wiki documentation should be deleted, with pointers added to Daniel's Ubuntu Packaging Guide. Even though the latter is currently only available via a temporary link, it's better not to have multiple versions of the UDD documentation floating around. This is now done. When Daniel gets a permanent URL for the docs, I will of course update the links. Here's the current URL: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/knowledge-base.html David Planella, Jono Bacon and I agreed that we might put it up at developer.u.c some time this cycle. I'll keep you in the loop about when this happens. This also means that if you want to make changes to the docs, you should branch the UPG's trunk and do a merge proposal. The trunk is at lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide I just submitted a merge proposal for the one small bit of information that I found in the wiki, but not in the reST docs: http://tinyurl.com/44b8pms Merged. Thanks everyone for your work on this! Have a great day, Daniel -- Get involved with Ubuntu Development: http://identi.ca/ubuntudev http://twitter.com/ubuntudev http://facebook.com/ubuntudev -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher _...@maxb.eu wrote: On 23/05/11 07:42, Andrew Bennetts wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: A huge amount of the UDD importer's interesting code is in one file, icommon.py. I'd like to submit a series of changes to break it up such that only the most common bits of code remain there. This all sounds pretty reasonable to me. However I don't much care for the “ifoo” module naming convention. I assume the “i” stands for “importer” but it always makes me think “interface” first. If we want a namespace for these modules (and I think we do; namespaces are a good idea[1]) then let's do that the standard Python way: with a package. Because I'm uncreative with names I suggest calling it “package_importer”, or perhaps “udd”. So rather than “idatabase” I propose “package_importer.database”. What do you think? This would have the advantage of keeping the directory of scripts that are interesting for a person to run mostly separate from the libraries used to implement them. At the moment they're jumbled together. -Andrew. [1] Actually, not just good, honking great: python -c 'import this' package_importer is a bit long. udd works for me, especially as the project lives in lp:udd. The term udd is, unfortunately, overloaded. It's also 'Ultimate Debian Database'. I suggest something that avoids that. Maybe ubuntudd or uddev? Scott K -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher wrote: package_importer is a bit long. udd works for me, especially as the project lives in lp:udd. On 23/05/11 12:19, Scott Kitterman wrote: The term udd is, unfortunately, overloaded. It's also 'Ultimate Debian Database'. I suggest something that avoids that. Maybe ubuntudd or uddev? The conflict is unfortunate. The importer's Launchpad project ID is udd, though. Given these Python modules are not going to be packaged or even used other than by files in the same tree, renaming them at a later date is trivial - therefore, I am in favour of matching the Python module name to the Launchpad project ID - and if we change both of them at the same time at some later date, that's fine. Max. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: Breaking up the importer's huge icommon.py file
Max Bowsher _...@maxb.eu wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: package_importer is a bit long. udd works for me, especially as the project lives in lp:udd. On 23/05/11 12:19, Scott Kitterman wrote: The term udd is, unfortunately, overloaded. It's also 'Ultimate Debian Database'. I suggest something that avoids that. Maybe ubuntudd or uddev? The conflict is unfortunate. The importer's Launchpad project ID is udd, though. Given these Python modules are not going to be packaged or even used other than by files in the same tree, renaming them at a later date is trivial - therefore, I am in favour of matching the Python module name to the Launchpad project ID - and if we change both of them at the same time at some later date, that's fine. To the extent Launchpad is the world, I think that's fine. Scott K-- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: [ubuntu-tr] iso dosyasından güncelleme
Seyfi selamlar, İstediğin şeyin tam olarak nasıl gerçekleştiği hakkında pek bir fikrim olmaması ile birlikte benimde ubuntu üzerinde yardıma ihtiyacım var. İkimizde baya bir araştırma yapmalıyız. Sevgiler. Tarık Geylani 22 Mayıs 2011 17:24 tarihinde Seyfi Genç seyfi.g...@gmail.com yazdı: Merhaba bende şimdi 10.10 kurulu. /home/seyfi/Masaüstü/natty-dvd-i386.iso konumundaki dosyadan sistemi güncellemek hatta dvd içeriğindeki başka programları da sisteme aktarmak istiyorum. bunu nasıl yapabilirim? Hangi komutları kullanmalıyım? -- Seyfi Genç http://www.seyfigenc.com -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr
Re: [ubuntu-tr] iso dosyasından güncelleme
Sistem - Yönetim - Yazılım Kaynakları(Depoları) giriş yapın. En altta cd/dvd göreceksiniz tikleyip uygulayın. apt-get ile birşeyler kurduğunuzda öncelikle cd'den arayacaktır. 22 Mayıs 2011 17:24 tarihinde Seyfi Genç seyfi.g...@gmail.com yazdı: Merhaba bende şimdi 10.10 kurulu. /home/seyfi/Masaüstü/natty-dvd-i386.iso konumundaki dosyadan sistemi güncellemek hatta dvd içeriğindeki başka programları da sisteme aktarmak istiyorum. bunu nasıl yapabilirim? Hangi komutları kullanmalıyım? -- Seyfi Genç http://www.seyfigenc.com -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- Halid Altuner ~ Co-Founder Software Engineer at Kuluçka w: halid.org -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr
Re: [ubuntu-tr] iso dosyasından güncelleme
23 Mayıs 2011 12:56 tarihinde Halid ha...@halid.org yazdı Sistem - Yönetim - Yazılım Kaynakları(Depoları) giriş yapın. En altta cd/dvd göreceksiniz tikleyip uygulayın. apt-get ile birşeyler kurduğunuzda öncelikle cd'den arayacaktır. Merhaba, (Hiç bakınmadan, çağrışımla soruyorum :) İso'nun olduğu dizini depo adresi olarak ekleyebilme imkanı var mı acaba? -- yaylalı 22 Mayıs 2011 17:24 tarihinde Seyfi Genç seyfi.g...@gmail.com yazdı: Merhaba bende şimdi 10.10 kurulu. /home/seyfi/Masaüstü/natty-dvd-i386.iso konumundaki dosyadan sistemi güncellemek hatta dvd içeriğindeki başka programları da sisteme aktarmak istiyorum. bunu nasıl yapabilirim? Hangi komutları kullanmalıyım? -- Seyfi Genç http://www.seyfigenc.com -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- Halid Altuner ~ Co-Founder Software Engineer at Kuluçka w: halid.org -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr
Re: [ubuntu-tr] iso dosyasından güncelleme
ISO'yu mount edebilmek için; sudo aptitude install gmountiso komutuyla gmountiso'yu kurabilirsiniz. Oldukça basit arayüzü olan bir uygulama. Uygulama, Uygulamalar - Sistem Araçları altına yerleşiyor. Mount ettikten sonra kullanabilirsiniz. 23 Mayıs 2011 14:09 tarihinde yaylalı yaylali.li...@gmail.com yazdı: 23 Mayıs 2011 12:56 tarihinde Halid ha...@halid.org yazdı Sistem - Yönetim - Yazılım Kaynakları(Depoları) giriş yapın. En altta cd/dvd göreceksiniz tikleyip uygulayın. apt-get ile birşeyler kurduğunuzda öncelikle cd'den arayacaktır. Merhaba, (Hiç bakınmadan, çağrışımla soruyorum :) İso'nun olduğu dizini depo adresi olarak ekleyebilme imkanı var mı acaba? -- yaylalı 22 Mayıs 2011 17:24 tarihinde Seyfi Genç seyfi.g...@gmail.com yazdı: Merhaba bende şimdi 10.10 kurulu. /home/seyfi/Masaüstü/natty-dvd-i386.iso konumundaki dosyadan sistemi güncellemek hatta dvd içeriğindeki başka programları da sisteme aktarmak istiyorum. bunu nasıl yapabilirim? Hangi komutları kullanmalıyım? -- Seyfi Genç http://www.seyfigenc.com -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- Halid Altuner ~ Co-Founder Software Engineer at Kuluçka w: halid.org -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr -- Halid Altuner ~ Co-Founder Software Engineer at Kuluçka w: halid.org -- ubuntu-tr mailing list ubuntu-tr@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tr
[Ubuntu-QC] CD Ubuntu 11.04 disponibles en quantité limitée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, J'ai des CD en quantité limitée d'Ubuntu 11.04 disponibles à Montréal. CE sont les CDs originaux envoyés par Canonical aux teams officiels. Si vous en voulez SVP inscrivez-vous ici: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/CDsNatty La priorité sera donnée à ceux qui sont membres d'Ubuntu QC sur Launchpad, ont un lien clair, complet vers leur page wiki et font une demande pour un événement et/ou dans une ville autre que Montréal et Québec. ** Pas de demandes individuelles (5) de CD SVP ** Si vous voulez une petite quantité, surveillez les événements et venez en chercher: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-qc/events J'ai déjà contacté qq'un d'entre vous, espérant pouvoir fournir tout le monde :) Merci, Fabian - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MagicFab ~ Local Community (LoCo) team contact pour Ubuntu Québec http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3aYw4ACgkQfUcTXFrypNVeBQCgwRxmcewvDtMehZuWL0c7+top A7gAoIb3gvNLeVPzbD5NqZtYiO3a4B+T =n4y6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
[Ubuntu-QC] Mettre en place un serveur de streaming?
Bonjour, j'aimerait mettre en place en service de streaming pour pouvoir lire mes fichiers multimédia de mon serveur ubuntu vers mon téléphone android. Quel logiciel me conseillés-vous? Patrick Gagné Envoyé depuis mon téléphone intelligent Samsung Galaxy S - Android 2.2 (Froyo) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Mettre en place un serveur de streaming?
Salut, Pour avoir testé plusieurs solutions dont Jinzora, Ampache ou Subsonic. Celui qui fonctionne numéro est c'est Subsonic (http://www.subsonic.org/pages/apps.jsp#android), mais cela ne coute que 20$ pour avoir l'application Android et il faut installer le tout sur un serveur supportant Java. L'accès au musique est super rapide contrairement aux deux applications pour Ampache (http://ampache.org/) qui dès que tu as trop de musique commence a laguer.. Voilà pour mon expérience Bonne chance On 2011-05-23 09:50, Pat wrote: Bonjour, j'aimerait mettre en place en service de streaming pour pouvoir lire mes fichiers multimédia de mon serveur ubuntu vers mon téléphone android. Quel logiciel me conseillés-vous? Patrick Gagné Envoyé depuis mon téléphone intelligent Samsung Galaxy S - Android 2.2 (Froyo) -- Yannick Pavard / Collectif La voix du libre Émission de radio sur les logiciels libres http://www.lavoixdulibre.info/ -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Mettre en place un serveur de streaming?
En principe (et donc sans l'avoir bien essayé), Ubuntu One fonctionne très bien. Tu as cependant là aussi besoin de payer pour le service (c'est environ 4$ par mois). L'avantage dans ce cas c'est que ton ordinateur n'a pas besoin de rester ouvert. https://one.ubuntu.com/mobile/ Et pour les expériences faites par Jorge Castro avec U1: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 2011/5/23 Pat pga...@gmail.com: Bonjour, j'aimerait mettre en place en service de streaming pour pouvoir lire mes fichiers multimédia de mon serveur ubuntu vers mon téléphone android. Quel logiciel me conseillés-vous? Patrick Gagné Envoyé depuis mon téléphone intelligent Samsung Galaxy S - Android 2.2 (Froyo) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Mettre en place un serveur de streaming?
Es-ce que le code du service Ubuntu one est libre? J'aimerais bien monter mon propre serveur Ubuntu One. --- Michaël Faille Étudiant au baccalauréat en génie des technologies de l'information Université du Québec - École de technologie supérieure, Montréal (Québec) Responsable TI du club étudiant CAPRA 2011/5/23 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com: En principe (et donc sans l'avoir bien essayé), Ubuntu One fonctionne très bien. Tu as cependant là aussi besoin de payer pour le service (c'est environ 4$ par mois). L'avantage dans ce cas c'est que ton ordinateur n'a pas besoin de rester ouvert. https://one.ubuntu.com/mobile/ Et pour les expériences faites par Jorge Castro avec U1: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 2011/5/23 Pat pga...@gmail.com: Bonjour, j'aimerait mettre en place en service de streaming pour pouvoir lire mes fichiers multimédia de mon serveur ubuntu vers mon téléphone android. Quel logiciel me conseillés-vous? Patrick Gagné Envoyé depuis mon téléphone intelligent Samsung Galaxy S - Android 2.2 (Froyo) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Mettre en place un serveur de streaming?
2011/5/23 Michael Faille michael.faill...@ens.etsmtl.ca: Es-ce que le code du service Ubuntu one est libre? J'aimerais bien monter mon propre serveur Ubuntu One. Sorry, j'ai parlé trop vite : http://askubuntu.com/questions/30061/how-to-install-ubuntu-one-server-software-or-alternative-for-personal-use Par contre, dans le lien précèdant, je viens de découvrir : http://sparkleshare.org/. C'est un Ubuntu One Libre! --- Michaël Faille Étudiant au baccalauréat en génie des technologies de l'information Université du Québec - École de technologie supérieure, Montréal (Québec) Responsable TI du club étudiant CAPRA 2011/5/23 Michael Faille michael.faill...@ens.etsmtl.ca: Es-ce que le code du service Ubuntu one est libre? J'aimerais bien monter mon propre serveur Ubuntu One. --- Michaël Faille Étudiant au baccalauréat en génie des technologies de l'information Université du Québec - École de technologie supérieure, Montréal (Québec) Responsable TI du club étudiant CAPRA 2011/5/23 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com: En principe (et donc sans l'avoir bien essayé), Ubuntu One fonctionne très bien. Tu as cependant là aussi besoin de payer pour le service (c'est environ 4$ par mois). L'avantage dans ce cas c'est que ton ordinateur n'a pas besoin de rester ouvert. https://one.ubuntu.com/mobile/ Et pour les expériences faites par Jorge Castro avec U1: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 2011/5/23 Pat pga...@gmail.com: Bonjour, j'aimerait mettre en place en service de streaming pour pouvoir lire mes fichiers multimédia de mon serveur ubuntu vers mon téléphone android. Quel logiciel me conseillés-vous? Patrick Gagné Envoyé depuis mon téléphone intelligent Samsung Galaxy S - Android 2.2 (Froyo) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
Martin Houston wrote: The hard disks in the Race Online PCs are all 80G at least so why is dual booting not an option there as standard. Because it's confusing. If people are learning to use computers, it makes sense that they boot into one install of one OS to do the learnings of the fundamentals. Continually switching between Linux and Windows is going to be horribly horribly confusing, even if you do concoct some scheme whereby all the files are similarly conveniently placed in each OS. Why are people being forced to choose before they know anything? They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows, *then* they would be forced to choose. Here, the choice is being made for them. I am going to try to get the Guardian involved in running this as a campaign. Why should anyone buying a reconditioned PC be denied the chance to try Linux?- If it is only a matter of the right disk image getting put on in minutes? They're not being denied the chance to try it, they're just not having the opportunity thrust upon them. Is it a problem that they're also being 'denied' the chance to try OSX? -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Falling off Active directory
As a quick hack, you could make a cronjob check wbinfo, if you get a message that it has fallen off the domain, kill and restart winbindd. On 20 May 2011 10:14, Toby Satchell tsatch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Grant, I can't see anything logs which would relate to the issue. You can test using wbinfo -u or wbinfo -g to show the users or groups, which means it is all working fine however that just returns Error looking up domain users/groups Thanks, Toby. On 20 May 2011 10:01, Grant Sewell dcg...@thymox.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2011 09:56:36 +0100 Toby Satchell wrote: Hi, We have a number of Ubuntu servers 10.04. They join to active directory run by Windows Server 2008 R2 very well. However it seems they appear to fall off or loose a connection with the AD servers. It took 9 days last time. There isn't anything useful in the logs to explain why. The only way previously was to reboot the machine, which is not really an option at times. We have just found that killing winbind and starting it again fixes the issue without have to reboot the server. Restarting winbind does not fix it it doesn't even appear to restart in the process list, seems more like a reload. We have tried many other solutions and none have they worked. Aside from making a really dodgy cron script to kill and start winbind every 7/8 days does anybody know of a fix/solution? Has anybody else had this problem? Kind regards, Toby. All joking apart, have you tried looking at the Windows Server 2008 R2 event logs to see if that end gives you any hints? Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- -- Toby Satchell BSc (hons) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04, Wubi and Windows 7
On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 16:28 +0100, alan c wrote: On 21/05/11 15:59, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Does Wubi now work in Windows 7? I heard there were problems some time ago... I had heard that some grub updates had caused problems, and I stopped recommending wubi completely at that time because the fix was way above the likely wubi users heads. I would be most interested to know if wubi is now robust against all updates. If confirmed, I will try it again and start recommending it to the many newcomers I see. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user It does work on windows 7 I installed it on my win7 box for testing and my moms for her to have a play with. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: Martin Houston wrote: The hard disks in the Race Online PCs are all 80G at least so why is dual booting not an option there as standard. Because it's confusing. If people are learning to use computers, it makes sense that they boot into one install of one OS to do the learnings of the fundamentals. Continually switching between Linux and Windows is going to be horribly horribly confusing, even if you do concoct some scheme whereby all the files are similarly conveniently placed in each OS. Why are people being forced to choose before they know anything? They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows, *then* they would be forced to choose. Here, the choice is being made for them. I am going to try to get the Guardian involved in running this as a campaign. Why should anyone buying a reconditioned PC be denied the chance to try Linux?- If it is only a matter of the right disk image getting put on in minutes? They're not being denied the chance to try it, they're just not having the opportunity thrust upon them. Is it a problem that they're also being 'denied' the chance to try OSX? As they are recruiting digital champions its down to those individuals who are doing the teaching, if you ask me to show you the internet using my own pc i will be running ubuntu, if you ask other members of the devon and cornwall lug they use other distributions, if you ask someone that uses a mac they will show you the same on a mac, if others use windows they wil be shown using windows, its a case of having more digital champions the first group will say the operating system should not have anything to do with how you use the net, as it just provides a way to load a browser ;/ mail client. paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 - lets give EVERYONE buying a second user PC a chance to try Linux.
On 23/05/11 09:53, Avi Greenbury wrote: They're specifically not. If, on first boot, they were presented with Grub asking if they wanted Linux or Windows with respect, I think the choice is between 'Ubuntu' and Windows -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011, at 11:40, alan c wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Hi, Have you tried to use the middle-click to open it into a new tab? Thanks and Regards, Liam Gallear liam.gall...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23/05/2011 11:40, alan c wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? I've just tested on the Windows version of Firefox 4 and when I right click on a bookmark I get an option to open in a new tab. I can't test on Ubuntu at the minute, but if nobody comes back to you, I'll have a look later on when I get home from work. Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
Liam Gallear wrote: Have you tried to use the middle-click to open it into a new tab? Puzzlingly, this appears to open it in the current tab, which seems a bit broken to me. -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 11:40, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? On FF 4.0.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 using Ubuntu Classic desktop, when I right click on a bookmark in the Bookmarks drop down menu (I assume that is what you are referring to) I get a context menu with Open, Open in new tab etc. When I do the same in Unity or Unity-2D it just goes to the link immediately. This would appear to be a bug in Unity. I cannot find it in Launchpad however. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011, at 12:02, Avi Greenbury wrote: Liam Gallear wrote: Have you tried to use the middle-click to open it into a new tab? Puzzlingly, this appears to open it in the current tab, which seems a bit broken to me. -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ That is a bit odd... The only other suggestion I have is maybe holding ctrl when clicking? Thanks and Regards, Liam Gallear liam.gall...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 12:08, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 23 May 2011 11:40, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? On FF 4.0.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 using Ubuntu Classic desktop, when I right click on a bookmark in the Bookmarks drop down menu (I assume that is what you are referring to) I get a context menu with Open, Open in new tab etc. When I do the same in Unity or Unity-2D it just goes to the link immediately. This would appear to be a bug in Unity. I cannot find it in Launchpad however. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/748850 which covers both right and middle click. It was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago so presumably the fix will appear soon. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 12:16, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 23 May 2011 12:08, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 23 May 2011 11:40, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? On FF 4.0.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 using Ubuntu Classic desktop, when I right click on a bookmark in the Bookmarks drop down menu (I assume that is what you are referring to) I get a context menu with Open, Open in new tab etc. When I do the same in Unity or Unity-2D it just goes to the link immediately. This would appear to be a bug in Unity. I cannot find it in Launchpad however. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/748850 which covers both right and middle click. It was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago so presumably the fix will appear soon. Sorry for keeping replying to myself, but I see now that it has been marked not-fixed again. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 12:16 +0100, Colin Law wrote: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/748850 which covers both right and middle click. It was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago so presumably the fix will appear soon. Colin Hi, The bug hasn't been fixed, but somebody changed the status for the fun of it. This doesn't work because it just isn't supported at all by dbusmenu and unity. Note, that while we want to introduce modifier state in to the dbusmenu protocol (so that CTRL+click and SHIFT+click work properly), we won't be adding right-click support (ie, the context menu isn't coming back). AFAIK, Firefox was the only application to support this, and no other GTK application did. We want the menus to behave consistently across applications rather than having users open the menu and wondering whether right-clicking will perform the action under the pointer or open a context menu instead. The title of the bug report should probably be updated to reflect that. Regards Chris signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 12:28, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 12:16 +0100, Colin Law wrote: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/748850 which covers both right and middle click. It was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago so presumably the fix will appear soon. Colin Hi, The bug hasn't been fixed, but somebody changed the status for the fun of it. This doesn't work because it just isn't supported at all by dbusmenu and unity. Note, that while we want to introduce modifier state in to the dbusmenu protocol (so that CTRL+click and SHIFT+click work properly), we won't be adding right-click support (ie, the context menu isn't coming back). AFAIK, Firefox was the only application to support this, and no other GTK application did. We want the menus to behave consistently across applications rather than having users open the menu and wondering whether right-clicking will perform the action under the pointer or open a context menu instead. I can understand the issue with right click providing a context menu as that is rather unusual. However to only have the importance marked as 'Wish List' for the Ctrl Click to open in a new tab, which is a useful feature that has been present in Ubuntu/FF and is now lost, seems too low an importance. I imagine that at the moment anything marked as just Wish List is unlikely to get done in the near future. Can you confirm whether the mods to fix it in Unity would also fix it in Unity-2D? Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Dino T. wrote: A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. Are you targeting the universities and colleges themselves as institutions, their staff, their students, or a mix of the lot? -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On 23/05/11 14:13, Avi Greenbury wrote: Dino T. wrote: A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. Are you targeting the universities and colleges themselves as institutions, their staff, their students, or a mix of the lot? Perhaps you could cover the open document standard and why universities should allow use of either .doc or odf formats, at least why they should perhaps offer both on computers, they may have to settle on 1 file format, the OU now ask for assignments to be submitted in .doc, as before it was either .doc, docx or .odf, so at least .doc is something both open office, libreoffice and MS office can cope with. and i guess it reduces issues for the people marking the assignments. perhaps using firefox over internet explorer (standards and security) thunderbird + lightning over outlook (cost, security etc) Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net Open Mic nights - Wednesday 8pm to 11pm (14+) Free entry Breakin' Ground - Street dance for young people (8+) Wednesday 6pm (starts May 11th) The Lighthouse,26 Esplanade Road, Paignton 01803 411 812 or e-mail i...@devonmusiccollective.com for more info. 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On 23/05/11 14:07, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. rather than focussing on saving money I would seek to explain about how Free software can be economically transformative by allowing you to redistribute it without counting the number of times you do so, thus allowing you to scale things out without incurring crippling costs. Look at huge server farms like google/facebook/twitter etc. or even the fact that I have about 15 VMs on my laptop that I fire up to do work for different customers. Give me a shout if you want some Natty CDs to hand out (might not have many by September though) Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On 23/05/11 14:07, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. I gave a series of 1 hour talks to a FE college a few months ago, to students on computing *related* courses. The staff I arranged with were already Ubuntu aware though were not users, most of the students were not aware. I ran the initial part of the talk from a Live USB, (started prior to the talk beginning and quite fast) then pointed to Live session vs installed. Then continued to include Ubuntu basics, Wine basics, and a used trial version of Crossover too. Towards the end, I just happened :-) to show the compiz cube with transparency an dcap image (of fishing net), and sky globe image (of a goldfish). About half the audiences took a CD and leaflets. Needed careful timing to get into one hour. Happy to discuss off list, I can send some files if you like? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 05/23/2011 01:44 PM, Liam Gallear wrote: On 23 May 2011, at 11:40, alan c wrote: Trying out Ubuntu 11.04 still an dI noticed something in Firefox which puzzles me. My usual action with my bookmarks list is to right click in the list to open the chosen bookmark item in a new tab. But I do not seem to be able to do this in Firefox 4. Am I missing something here? Is there a function which replaces bookmarks going chosen going into tabs? My immediate workaround of the apparently lost feature is to first open an empty tab then choose the bookmark, but this is an -extra- click. What gives? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Hi, Have you tried to use the middle-click to open it into a new tab? Thanks and Regards, Liam Gallear liam.gall...@gmail.com I am using Firefox 4.0.1 from with 11.04 running the Classic desktop. I can confirm that pressing the middle mouse button when selecting a bookmark opens it in a new tab. Bob G. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23/05/11 12:28, Chris Coulson wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 12:16 +0100, Colin Law wrote: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu/+bug/748850 which covers both right and middle click. It was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago so presumably the fix will appear soon. Colin Hi, The bug hasn't been fixed, but somebody changed the status for the fun of it. This doesn't work because it just isn't supported at all by dbusmenu and unity. Note, that while we want to introduce modifier state in to the dbusmenu protocol (so that CTRL+click and SHIFT+click work properly), we won't be adding right-click support (ie, the context menu isn't coming back). AFAIK, Firefox was the only application to support this, and no other GTK application did. We want the menus to behave consistently across applications rather than having users open the menu and wondering whether right-clicking will perform the action under the pointer or open a context menu instead. The title of the bug report should probably be updated to reflect that. Thanks. So if I understand correectly, crtl-click and shift-click will stand a good chance of getting fixed anyway? I have never used it till now, so, ctrl-click would open a tab, but what would shift-click do? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 15:34, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: I have never used it till now, so, ctrl-click would open a tab, but what would shift-click do? Shift-click opens the link in a new window. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
A little bit of a ramble here, but hopefully the concepts are clear. It probably depends on circumstances, but using specialist software such as stats and GIS, as an example R and QGIS allow students access to these programs at home, and not as is the case with the commercial alternatives force students into the University to work on tasks that need these programs. Something the students like, and given transport/fuel costs and a desire to reduce carbon footprints this saves students trips into Uni just to use specialist software. (some stats programs offer free copies to students, but see below) This has a knock on effect in reducing skills redundancy, as, in theory at least they can take both their skills and the software to any job they go to. I also know of employers who don't have any stats or GIS capability because the software is too expensive, giving a useful twist to getting a job as the graduate can offer not only to bring their skills, but also the software. There are of course issue. QGIS isn't an industry standard and this is often a real disadvantage, but for Stats, R is quickly becoming the standard across all industries, and even where it isn't, R skills are still in demand because of its cutting edge capability. Something else I find useful, is that with Open Source, I can introduce students to tools that doesn't require them or the University to spend any money. This gives a freedom to explore new areas of teaching and learning that would otherwise have to be avoided because of the cost. Most Open Source programs work on Linux, Macs and Windows, so again it opens these tools up to a wider range of students (not many use Linux, but an increasing number are using Macs). Graham -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
This is not strictly a Ubuntu question, but I know there are quite a few web people here so I wondered if anybody had any suggestions. Have a customer who wants a gallery page similar to this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/marcel-christ I cannot find any evidence that this is a script that is available on the web... Does anybody know anything similar? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
Hi Sean I'm no web developer, so others will be able to help more. But it looks like it is based on Jquery, which is an easier to use javascript api. script type=text/javascript src=http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js view-source:http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js/script I'd google Jquery galleries, and follow the instructions from there mate. All the best Les On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: This is not strictly a Ubuntu question, but I know there are quite a few web people here so I wondered if anybody had any suggestions. Have a customer who wants a gallery page similar to this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/marcel-christ I cannot find any evidence that this is a script that is available on the web... Does anybody know anything similar? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness Re: Avi On 23/05/11 14:13, Avi Greenbury wrote: Dino T. wrote: A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. Are you targeting the universities and colleges themselves as institutions, their staff, their students, or a mix of the lot? So far we will only be tutoring the staff whom the lessons belong too. They will be in attendance of the presentations. However do do plan to offer after hours extras to those who wish to learn more. A bit like an Ed. Linux Club. Re: Paul On 23/05/11 14:23, Paul Sutton wrote: On 23/05/11 14:13, Avi Greenbury wrote: Dino T. wrote: A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. Are you targeting the universities and colleges themselves as institutions, their staff, their students, or a mix of the lot? Perhaps you could cover the open document standard and why universities should allow use of either .doc or odf formats, at least why they should perhaps offer both on computers, they may have to settle on 1 file format, the OU now ask for assignments to be submitted in .doc, as before it was either .doc, docx or .odf, so at least .doc is something both open office, libreoffice and MS office can cope with. and i guess it reduces issues for the people marking the assignments. perhaps using firefox over internet explorer (standards and security) thunderbird + lightning over outlook (cost, security etc) The promotion of Firefox is a huge part of what we will present. We will also cover Chromium/Chrome too. But since Firefox is preinstalled in UBuntu, it will be main priority. The flexibility of LibreOffice will be the main selling point. We'll be explaining why docx is nothing more than a zipped format that includes xml files and others to create a document. Even for stability reasons, one should use .doc over .docx. Should they need to though, they'll now it can handle /docx too. Re: Alan On 23/05/11 14:41, Alan Bell. wrote: On 23/05/11 14:07, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. rather than focussing on saving money I would seek to explain about how Free software can be economically transformative by allowing you to redistribute it without counting the number of times you do so, thus allowing you to scale things out without incurring crippling costs. Look at huge server farms like google/facebook/twitter etc. or even the fact that I have about 15 VMs on my laptop that I fire up to do work for different customers. Give me a shout if you want some Natty CDs to hand out (might not have many by September though) Great point Alan. Just noted that. THanks Alan, I'll send you my details to send over the Natty CD's and I'll put them in storage for now. Re: alan c On 23/05/11 14:45, alan c wrote: On 23/05/11 14:07, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. I gave a series of 1 hour talks to a FE college a few months ago, to students on computing *related* courses. The staff I arranged with were already Ubuntu aware though were not users, most of the students were not aware. I ran the initial part of the talk from a Live USB, (started prior to the talk beginning and quite fast) then pointed to Live session vs installed. Then continued to include Ubuntu basics, Wine basics, and a used trial version of Crossover too. Towards the end, I just happened :-) to show the compiz cube with transparency an dcap image (of fishing net), and sky globe image (of a goldfish). About half the audiences took a CD and leaflets. Needed careful timing to get into one hour. Happy to discuss off list, I can send some files if you like? THat'd be a huge help thanks Alan C. :) I was going to show a few videos of what compiz can change. Videos of different desktops, alterations using docks etc to show off the extreme customsability of Ubuntu. YOu can contact me off-list at dinot1...@gmail.com. Same for anyone that wants to contact me directly, feel free. Re: Graham On 23/05/11 16:54, Alan Bell. wrote: A little bit of a ramble here, but hopefully the concepts are clear. It probably depends on circumstances, but using
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
Hi Using 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 a right click gives me the option to Open Open in a new window Open in a tab and several other bookmark options Unfortunately I can't get a screen shot of it -- Regards Gerry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:07:08 +0100 Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. One thing that you could lean on is the open nature of Free Software and how it ties in with the very nature of how Universities (should) share information with others. You could talk about how open discussion and peer review has pushed the boundaries of scientific knowledge over the past century or so, and the parallels with the open and collaborative nature of Free Software. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
On Mon, 23 May 2011 16:58:43 +0100 Sean Miller wrote: This is not strictly a Ubuntu question, but I know there are quite a few web people here so I wondered if anybody had any suggestions. Have a customer who wants a gallery page similar to this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/marcel-christ I cannot find any evidence that this is a script that is available on the web... Does anybody know anything similar? Sean Taken from the JavaScript file linked to in that website's head section: /* * imgPreview jQuery plugin * Copyright (c) 2009 James Padolsey * j...@qd9.co.uk | http://james.padolsey.com * Dual licensed under MIT and GPL. * Updated: 09/02/09 * @author James Padolsey * @version 0.22 */ Please note the license details. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Re: Grant Sewell On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:07:08 +0100 Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. One thing that you could lean on is the open nature of Free Software and how it ties in with the very nature of how Universities (should) share information with others. You could talk about how open discussion and peer review has pushed the boundaries of scientific knowledge over the past century or so, and the parallels with the open and collaborative nature of Free Software. Grant. Good idea Grant. I've made a note. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
What worries me more is this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/js/maine.js It looks bespoke, and therefore (presumably) not something can use or - indeed - find out who to ask if I can as there is nothing in the code saying who wrote it. The JQuery plug-in is a relatively small piece of script, which clearly serves as the link between JQuery and the code but it isn't the code and I am sure there is something that does similar to the end result. Alas, I am not being paid very much for this at all... favour for a friend, really so I can't afford to write something completely bespoke. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
On 23 May 2011 20:08, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: What worries me more is this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/js/maine.js It looks bespoke, and therefore (presumably) not something can use or - indeed - find out who to ask if I can as there is nothing in the code saying who wrote it. The JQuery plug-in is a relatively small piece of script, which clearly serves as the link between JQuery and the code but it isn't the code and I am sure there is something that does similar to the end result. Alas, I am not being paid very much for this at all... favour for a friend, really so I can't afford to write something completely bespoke. There are a few nice JQuery based galleries that are pretty much plug and play but there'd still be some back end functionality. It's not an out of the box solution though. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
On 23 May 2011 20:17, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few nice JQuery based galleries that are pretty much plug and play but there'd still be some back end functionality. It's not an out of the box solution though. Don't expect out of the box. I've written the CMS, this is an upgrade to it... I just don't have the time to learn JQuery or, indeed, this project isn't paying enough for it. Need something I can integrate in the same way as I'd (for example) integrate fckeditor etc. My system will upload the images, it can create thumbnails (using GD libraries) and it is the next bit that I need... the end-user presentation. I can create the files, it's the pretty scrolling bar bit that the customer wants that I just don't have the ability to produce bespoke. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23 May 2011 18:58, gerry gerry.ne...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Hi Using 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 a right click gives me the option to Open Open in a new window Open in a tab and several other bookmark options I guess you are using the Classic desktop. It is in Unity that the problem arises. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
On 23 May 2011 20:20, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 23 May 2011 20:17, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few nice JQuery based galleries that are pretty much plug and play but there'd still be some back end functionality. It's not an out of the box solution though. Don't expect out of the box. I've written the CMS, this is an upgrade to it... I just don't have the time to learn JQuery or, indeed, this project isn't paying enough for it. Need something I can integrate in the same way as I'd (for example) integrate fckeditor etc. My system will upload the images, it can create thumbnails (using GD libraries) and it is the next bit that I need... the end-user presentation. I can create the files, it's the pretty scrolling bar bit that the customer wants that I just don't have the ability to produce bespoke. Gallery[1] is a popular app which might be worth a look. The styling will be the intensive bit though. s/ 1. http://gallery.menalto.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
Could you not use WordPress and one of (many) gallery plugins? -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | http://orangecoconut.com From: Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, 23 May 2011, 20:20 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic) On 23 May 2011 20:17, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few nice JQuery based galleries that are pretty much plug and play but there'd still be some back end functionality. It's not an out of the box solution though. Don't expect out of the box. I've written the CMS, this is an upgrade to it... I just don't have the time to learn JQuery or, indeed, this project isn't paying enough for it. Need something I can integrate in the same way as I'd (for example) integrate fckeditor etc. My system will upload the images, it can create thumbnails (using GD libraries) and it is the next bit that I need... the end-user presentation. I can create the files, it's the pretty scrolling bar bit that the customer wants that I just don't have the ability to produce bespoke. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
No, you're not understanding... I already have my gallery script... but they want a SPECIFIC presentation... As close to this one, which they like, as possible... http://visualartistsuk.com/marcel-christ Single image on screen, then when you mouse over it a long scrolling bar of all the images appears left to right... and when you click on any of them, the main image on screen refreshes. So I do not need a back end as it is already there... it's the presentation layer. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help required! (off topic)
Quite a few nice designs there :) Thanks Simon. I'll use a few as ideas. I'm a designer by trade so I'll be working on the graphics for the project. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* http://www.ubuntu.com/ On 23 May 2011 20:17, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2011 20:08, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: What worries me more is this one... http://visualartistsuk.com/js/maine.js It looks bespoke, and therefore (presumably) not something can use or - indeed - find out who to ask if I can as there is nothing in the code saying who wrote it. The JQuery plug-in is a relatively small piece of script, which clearly serves as the link between JQuery and the code but it isn't the code and I am sure there is something that does similar to the end result. Alas, I am not being paid very much for this at all... favour for a friend, really so I can't afford to write something completely bespoke. There are a few nice JQuery based galleries that are pretty much plug and play but there'd still be some back end functionality. It's not an out of the box solution though. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On 23/05/11 20:05, Dino T. wrote: Re: Grant Sewell On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:07:08 +0100 Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. One thing that you could lean on is the open nature of Free Software and how it ties in with the very nature of how Universities (should) share information with others. You could talk about how open discussion and peer review has pushed the boundaries of scientific knowledge over the past century or so, and the parallels with the open and collaborative nature of Free Software. Grant. Good idea Grant. I've made a note. Are you planning to share the end result with the community perhaps under a cc license so we can use and modify for use elsewhere, Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net Open Mic nights - Wednesday 8pm to 11pm (14+) Free entry Breakin' Ground - Street dance for young people (8+) Wednesday 6pm (starts May 11th) The Lighthouse,26 Esplanade Road, Paignton 01803 411 812 or e-mail i...@devonmusiccollective.com for more info. 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 14:07 +0100, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. I recently did a Linux Awareness talk for a local computer club. I based the talk around these points: What is Linux and Open Source? What do you get? What are the advantages? What are the disadvantages? (You need to be honest). And because linux take up is poor in the UK I did a round up of who uses linux around the world to show that it isn't a niche Geek way of working. Also students are very keen on Fairtrade so push the FOSS = Fairtrade/Ethical Computing as well. Barry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Oh definitely We'll be creating a presentation using Impress with primary source design and stock / free photography. I'll be citing sources for each slide and I'll try and get a few video recordings of the project being shown to students. I'll then try and edit them and upload to Youtube. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* http://www.ubuntu.com/ On 23 May 2011 20:54, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: On 23/05/11 20:05, Dino T. wrote: Re: Grant Sewell On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:07:08 +0100 Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. One thing that you could lean on is the open nature of Free Software and how it ties in with the very nature of how Universities (should) share information with others. You could talk about how open discussion and peer review has pushed the boundaries of scientific knowledge over the past century or so, and the parallels with the open and collaborative nature of Free Software. Grant. Good idea Grant. I've made a note. Are you planning to share the end result with the community perhaps under a cc license so we can use and modify for use elsewhere, Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net Open Mic nights - Wednesday 8pm to 11pm (14+) Free entry Breakin' Ground - Street dance for young people (8+) Wednesday 6pm (starts May 11th) The Lighthouse,26 Esplanade Road, Paignton 01803 411 812 or e-mail i...@devonmusiccollective.com for more info. 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
Excellent, thanks. I plan on bringing up that Google use Ubuntu inhouse and have done since 2006 (that I'm aware of.) If you know of any huge companies that use it too, please let me know.' *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* http://www.ubuntu.com/ On 23 May 2011 21:01, Barry Titterton barry.titter...@mail.adsl4less.comwrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 14:07 +0100, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. I recently did a Linux Awareness talk for a local computer club. I based the talk around these points: What is Linux and Open Source? What do you get? What are the advantages? What are the disadvantages? (You need to be honest). And because linux take up is poor in the UK I did a round up of who uses linux around the world to show that it isn't a niche Geek way of working. Also students are very keen on Fairtrade so push the FOSS = Fairtrade/Ethical Computing as well. Barry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Encouraging laptops that work with Ubuntu
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 09:20 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 15/05/11 23:16, Martin Houston wrote: If I may make a suggestion? I haven't used the Pcspecialist notebooks mentioned by Richard Smith so cant comment on these particular choices, nice though it is to see 'No Operating system' as a money saving choice :) However if we do indeed find that machines offered by vendors like this who give the user the CHOICE of paying extra for Windows, and the machine is well behaved with Ubuntu such that it and an Ubuntu install CD could be given to a novice to go away and install, then we should reward such vendors by trying to get the message that we like their product out in as much online and print media as we can manage. That 'free pubicity' would encourage other manufacturers to do the same and we all get more choice of being able to not buy a crappy OS we do not want and won't be using. -- *Deluxe Technology Ltd* /Linux Consultant/ mhous...@deluxe-tech.co.uk mailto:mhous...@deluxe-tech.co.uk http://www.deluxe-tech.co.uk Mob: 07970 850961 I did some time back put up the site http://nakedcomputers.org which was intended to promote the selling of blank computers (so not having to advocate any particular operating system - just advocating unbundling and choice) I was thinking on the ubuntu-uk.org site we could have a list of vendors supplying blank or Ubuntu pre-installed computers to the UK market (with correct plugs and keyboard layouts obviously). Sound like a plan? It definitely sounds like a plan! And maybe users who buy any of them could add a couple of words on how well they work with Ubuntu. Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Microsoft proprietary file types?
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 00:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: On 20 May 2011 00:01, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm a web designer and host, and I often get clients email with .doc, .ppx and even .docx nowadays the question is, what should I be doing about these people? Install an app that is capable of opening the files such as OpenOffice or LibreOffice, read their files without complaining, do their work and take their money. They're not asking you for advice on what software to run or file formats to use, they're asking you to deliver a service. You can of course 'push' open formats where appropriate, but don't let it get in the way of paying your rent and feeding yourself. Agreed. And when you find a document that you can't open with LibreOffice, file a bug with them: as highlighted by Michael Meeks at FOSDEM earlier this year [1], they're on a crusade to make LibO able to open any document you could think of. So any help they can get in the form of bug reports will be welcome and will help everybody in the long run. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Olx3EvJMl0 Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Awareness
The French assembly have used Ubuntu for at least two years now, and the Gendarmerie are (or have ) migrated all of their 70,000 PCs to Ubuntu. On 23/05/11 21:05, Dino T. wrote: Excellent, thanks. I plan on bringing up that Google use Ubuntu inhouse and have done since 2006 (that I'm aware of.) If you know of any huge companies that use it too, please let me know.' *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* http://www.ubuntu.com/ On 23 May 2011 21:01, Barry Tittertonbarry.titter...@mail.adsl4less.comwrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 14:07 +0100, Dino T. wrote: Hi A friend and I are brainstorming on a 2 hour presentation to give to Universities and Colleges across Liverpool. To increase awareness and show students that they can save money using free/open source software. This is scheduled for around September 2011. What do you suggest we cover? Has to be very basic too for beginners and if they want to learn more, we'll be providing sheets out to links etc. Dino T. I recently did a Linux Awareness talk for a local computer club. I based the talk around these points: What is Linux and Open Source? What do you get? What are the advantages? What are the disadvantages? (You need to be honest). And because linux take up is poor in the UK I did a round up of who uses linux around the world to show that it isn't a niche Geek way of working. Also students are very keen on Fairtrade so push the FOSS = Fairtrade/Ethical Computing as well. Barry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 and Firefox 4
On 23/05/11 18:58, gerry wrote: Hi Using 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 a right click gives me the option to Open Open in a new window Open in a tab and several other bookmark options Unfortunately I can't get a screen shot of it I wonder if you are looking at a web page full of links, an dright clicking? My problem is looking only at an existing bookmarks list -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Why are you removing right-click context menus?
Surely it's a standard part opf functionality now? How is this change increasing usability? Especially if i am working through a large web doc and want to quickly open a new tab or save from a link or copy a url to the clipboard? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why are you removing right-click context menus?
On 24/05/11 00:39, Alex Cockell wrote: Surely it's a standard part opf functionality now? How is this change increasing usability? Especially if i am working through a large web doc and want to quickly open a new tab or save from a link or copy a url to the clipboard? who are you addressing this to? In what situation has a right click context menu been removed? Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: pidgin and twitter
Thanks, I was looking first for the protocols. But I manage to add my Twitter account. - Original Message - From: José Vilmar Estácio de Souza vil...@informal.com.br To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: pidgin and twitter Hi. Did you add the your twitter account to pidgin? You do that in the same way you add other accounts. On 05/14/2011 06:33 PM, Milton wrote: Hi, In Lucid and Maverick I tried Skype through Pidgin and now I would like to use Twitter in Pidgin. I installed pidgin-microblog. But when I start Pidgin I only get the list of Skype contacts. Do somebody knows how I can get to set my twitter account in Pidgin? Thanks in advance. Milton -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
My Experience with Stock Ubuntu 11.04 and accessibility
Below, please find my impressions of running this release. I'm using an Asus 1015PE (a netbook) as my work-a-day system. Suggestions and comments welcome! I am running Ubuntu 11.04, but still with classic Gnome. Unlike on the live cd, there are no crashes like we saw, now that I've installed it to hard drive. The machine is not vinucized; that is, I did an eyes-free, independent install from the stock 11.04 image. Orca got screwed up during the animated slide show that runs while the install is in progress. When I got to the final step, I turned Orca off and hit the 'install' button. Then, I just walked away, and came back to the machine after about a half-hour. I assumed all was ready, ejected the usb drive, and rebooted. To my delight, The narwhale came up talking, on the gdm screen. Access to the Indicator Applet (the thing used for setting up wifi, checking the battery, etc, is a bit flaky, but, fortunately, one doesn't need to play with the thing often. I activated keyboard shortcuts for adjusting volume. Next, I added the apt repositories for the Orca daily builds, installed Thunderbird, Drobbox, and a few other things I like. In every stock Ubuntu system I've ever used, Orca won't give access to the gui admin apps, unless one runs them from the terminal, with sudo. The next thing I noticed was that the skype api plugin for empathy and pidgin does not work fully in Natty. I can make calls, send and receive text messages, but cannot accept incoming calls. I hear the ring tone, see the 'accept' dialogue, but attempts to accept do nothing. I have about 12 gb of tunes, mostly in 'mp3' files. In prior Ubuntu distros, I could manage this music collection with the Rhythmbox application. In 11.04, Banshee is the new media player. Before I loaded my music collection, Banshee could open and play streams. Now that the music is in place, Banshee will not fully open, and attempts to run it result in a frozen X session. I installed Rhythmbox for comparison. Rhythmbox will browse my files, create the indices, and play the music. It will not, however, save the database for future sessions. Finally, Something I unwittingly did on Saturday has resulted in a system in which Orca will, sometimes, not start post-login. I get the login drums and talking gdm screen. I log in. I get the post-login music, then, sometimes, nothing. If I wait a minute or more, then manually start Orca, it still won't go. I have to pull the switch and restart; maybe it will work. Well, there, you have it! I'm not sure whether I'll down-grade, change distros, or just make this thing work. I have a stubborn streak that makes the third option most appealing. YMMV, Dave Hunt Twitter and Skype: wx1gdave Tel: 617 319 4491 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Lubuntu and Accessibility
I believe this can be done with speakup for speaking the console to blind people. I thin you would also have to use espeak and espeakup as the tts and the middleware because speech-dispatcher as the middleware is just way too much of a resource hog. I am not sure you are going to get the graphical screen reader, orca to be useful on anything but gnome and it is really resource intensive. I am not familiar with apps for those who are not blind, but speakup and brltty for speak and braille respectively, should work. I am willing to see what I can do if you let me know where I can get the development ISO to test. The slowest box I have that I can bring out of retirement here is a K6 II 300mhz. Is that too fast, or is that OK? Thanks, Pia On Tue, 24 May 2011, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hiyas, much has happened recently, including lubuntu getting clearance for full adoption at 11.10 by Canonical. Whilst I have quietly pushed accessibility (well, maybe not so quietly) as a part of lubuntu, we now need a bit of help off this team. Our specification of the minimal hardware it will run on cannot be broken, nor can our commitment to pre i686 processors. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu From a general chat to our head of development on lubuntu, he is of the opinion that if the code is really (and I mean really) tight, that it would be possible to include within the very tight constraints that we are committed to be able to uphold the inclusion of accessibility and has agreed that we should really strive to attain this. We are short of devs who can dedicate resources to this task, so I ask that any of you who can assist do so. I'd really like to see lubuntu 11.10 come out with as much accessibility as is possible on A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu So, once you've all had your heart attacks and say it cannot be done... the ones who go hmmm, that is actually possible.. Please make your selves known. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Lubuntu and Accessibility
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:58:58AM EST, Phill Whiteside wrote: From a general chat to our head of development on lubuntu, he is of the opinion that if the code is really (and I mean really) tight, that it would be possible to include within the very tight constraints that we are committed to be able to uphold the inclusion of accessibility and has agreed that we should really strive to attain this. The first thing is making sure LXDE is actually accessible, i.e make sure it has keyboard shortcuts, and supports the launching of the accessibility framework at startup etc. As to using the LXDE GUI with Orca etc, I think the biggest problem here is the use of python. The components of the stack written in c should be performant enough to work, and if they're not, then I am sure upstream would be willing to help try and optimize them a little more, but Orca being python is unfortunately a rather big blocker for this environment. I remember running Orca on a dual Celeron 466 a few years back in GNOME, and it was rather laggy in performance, I.e a quarter to half a second would go by before I got speech feedback from my action. So while I think the goals of getting Lubuntu more accessible are noble, I am not sure it will be possible for it to be doable with acceptable accessibility performance for users. I am not saying don't try, but unless Orca or another screen reader was developed in c, then using orca on LXDE is likely to be somewhat painful. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Lubuntu and Accessibility
Hi, Doesn't Adriane Knoppix run some form of LXDE with Orca? From the little I've used it, it's not slow, but then again I've got much better specs than what we're aiming for in this thread. I agree that running Orca on anything slower than 1.5Ghz is just simply painful, even with the increasing responsiveness of it. It's certainly a resource hog and with a system that slow, might as well just run CLI. I think a more useful goal to pursue would be making XFCE more usable. http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap/accessibility On 5/23/11, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:58:58AM EST, Phill Whiteside wrote: From a general chat to our head of development on lubuntu, he is of the opinion that if the code is really (and I mean really) tight, that it would be possible to include within the very tight constraints that we are committed to be able to uphold the inclusion of accessibility and has agreed that we should really strive to attain this. The first thing is making sure LXDE is actually accessible, i.e make sure it has keyboard shortcuts, and supports the launching of the accessibility framework at startup etc. As to using the LXDE GUI with Orca etc, I think the biggest problem here is the use of python. The components of the stack written in c should be performant enough to work, and if they're not, then I am sure upstream would be willing to help try and optimize them a little more, but Orca being python is unfortunately a rather big blocker for this environment. I remember running Orca on a dual Celeron 466 a few years back in GNOME, and it was rather laggy in performance, I.e a quarter to half a second would go by before I got speech feedback from my action. So while I think the goals of getting Lubuntu more accessible are noble, I am not sure it will be possible for it to be doable with acceptable accessibility performance for users. I am not saying don't try, but unless Orca or another screen reader was developed in c, then using orca on LXDE is likely to be somewhat painful. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
What Ubuntu should I install to help by testing
Hi :) tomorrow my hard disks should be tidied up. I'll keep Suse 11.2 64-bit to see what's going on in the RPM world and as my stable digital audio/midi workstation Edunbuntu 10.10 Maverick 32-bit (+ ubuntu studio packages) will stay. If I could help by testing, what version and architecture of Ubuntu/ Ubuntu Studio should I install on my 64-bit AMD dual-core machine? Please post a link to the download. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, C K coryis...@gmail.com wrote: SIDE NOTE: Can someone send me a screenshot of a Nautilus window using our current (Natty) GTK/Metacity themes? I'm gonna cut the Metacity theme out for a XFWM theme. -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel Cory, done. I like the simplicity and the etch design. I like the etched concept, especially when I think of it in stone or granite, it gives a sense of stability, strength, and vast, earthshaking power just under the surface. Some potent undercurrent waiting to be tapped. Kokito, would that be something we could incorporate into the banner for the website? The words Ubuntu Studio etched into granite or similar instead of the blob image, I've never liked any of the blob images. I like the Faenza icons too. Will we be able to use the gray icons with our color theme? I wouldn't mind minimizing the blue, if not removing it all together. But I'm not dead set about removing the blue, so if others like it I won't fight it. ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, C K coryis...@gmail.com wrote: SIDE NOTE: Can someone send me a screenshot of a Nautilus window using our current (Natty) GTK/Metacity themes? I'm gonna cut the Metacity theme out for a XFWM theme. -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel Cory, done. I like the simplicity and the etch design. I like the etched concept, especially when I think of it in stone or granite, it gives a sense of stability, strength, and vast, earthshaking power just under the surface. Some potent undercurrent waiting to be tapped. Kokito, would that be something we could incorporate into the banner for the website? The words Ubuntu Studio etched into granite or similar instead of the blob image, I've never liked any of the blob images. I like the Faenza icons too. Will we be able to use the gray icons with our color theme? I wouldn't mind minimizing the blue, if not removing it all together. But I'm not dead set about removing the blue, so if others like it I won't fight it. ScottL I like simplicity overall. Like a Bauhaus approach. Think Google simplicity but with subtle style. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
UbuStu Art
I don't know if he's still active or not, but Shitsukesen has some very nice work posted at Deviant Art. I've found his wallpaper to be quite beautiful, unobtrusive and conducive to creative expression. http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Studio-Wallpaper-173220729 He's also done some nice work with the UbuntuStudio brandmark http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/210/0/6/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V2_by_shitsukesen.png http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/211/f/3/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V3_by_shitsukesen.png His gallery is at http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
UbuStu Themes
Greetings All: End user here, no design or coding DNA to be had. Might I request/suggest that the final UbuStu theme provide a choice between dark and light similar to the Ambiance and Radiance themes available in plain vanilla Ubuntu? The justification for this request is that under the current UbuStu theme, many program controls, icons and selections are very hard to see, Ardour being a particular example. Thankfully, Ardour provides its own Light theme, but most of the other packages derive their display directly from Ubuntu. Thanks in advance. Ubuntu Studio rocks and I look forward to the updated LTS release. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: UbuStu Themes
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Seattle Chaz seattlec...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All: Might I request/suggest that the final UbuStu theme provide a choice between dark and light similar to the Ambiance and Radiance themes available in plain vanilla Ubuntu? If there's time that's the plan. -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
UbuStu Art
I don't know if he's still active or not, but Shitsukesen has some very nice work posted at Deviant Art. I've found his wallpaper to be quite beautiful, unobtrusive and conducive to creative expression. http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Studio-Wallpaper-173220729 He's also done some nice work with the UbuntuStudio brandmark http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/210/0/6/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V2_by_shitsukesen.png http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/211/f/3/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V3_by_shitsukesen.png His gallery is at http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 18:10 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote: I like simplicity overall. Like a Bauhaus approach. Think Google simplicity but with subtle style. The Bauhaus approach: http://www.google.de/search?hl=detbm=ischsa=Xei=DvvaTY-DGsWe-QaH8dzSDwved=0CDYQBSgAq=gropiusstadtspell=1biw=1152bih=645 Pure unadulterated kitsch, but it has got charm: http://www.google.de/search?hl=debiw=1152bih=645tbm=ischsa=1q=die +zeitmaschineaq=faqi=g5aql=oq= Excessive ornamental, but anyway, conciseness, minimalistic: http://www.google.de/search?hl=dexhr=tq=artdecocp=4bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=ischsource=ogsa=Ntab=wibiw=1152bih=645 http://www.google.de/search?um=1hl=debiw=1152bih=645tbm=ischsa=1q=jugendstilaq=faqi=g10aql=oq= Less is more, but also for supposed simplicity. I'm sure that most people like today's common desktop vogue. And as I've written before, the layout is good, but OTOH, why not doing something that isn't the current whim of trend? Not for Oneiric, but e.g. for the release that will follow. Once Bauhaus was celebrated, but here in Germany we also know the bad of this school of thinking, granted Gropiusstadt is AFAIK the most worse that ever was realized, but the idea behind the Bauhaus caused much more evil plans, than Gropiusstadt. Fortunately they were not realized. OTOH, I e.g. won't call Albers or Kandinzky Bauhaus artists. There's nothing bad with this kind of design. I like both very much. But art IMO can be more pleasant, than design. IMO all of those modern layouts are copies of the current Apple and Microsoft trend. And I bet that all flagship themes for current releases of different DEs will look similar, hence it will become very boring, if all distros will add similar themes instead of being bold avant-garde. ;) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: UbuStu Art
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 16:35 -0700, Seattle Chaz wrote: [snip] His gallery is at http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/ A very good sense of colour, e.g. http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/PC-Girl-146364875?q=gallery% 3Ashitsukesenqo=30 From old Japanese drawings to Vargas to modern styles, this kind of colouring is timeless. This is what I personally prefer. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Less is more, but also for supposed simplicity. I'm sure that most people like today's common desktop vogue. And as I've written before, the layout is good, but OTOH, why not doing something that isn't the current whim of trend? Not for Oneiric, but e.g. for the release that will follow. I've always had plans to do something very out there. Thing is, far out ideas tend to appeal to a very narrow audience. The current plan, while Mac-like in that it uses AWN will tend to be even more minimal. But still very productive. I have been testing the proposed layout on 3 other family members and they adapted very quickly. I detest the idea of moving the menu items away from the focused window. To me, it doesn't make sense as it tends to make for more mouse travel instead of moving within the currently focused window. All that aside, Ralf, after this release I think Scott would welcome anyone who could plan and implement (-this being key) something far out yet productive. :) So does anyone have a counter idea to this etched look? Should we just let Izo loose? :) -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
In my experience any wallpaper must not have a tendency to hide icons on the desktop, except of course for those users who do not set Nautilus (2 or 3) to draw icons on the desktop. I have played with a great many wallpapers but always go back to the old KDE3.5 soft-green(with my customized UI based on Ubuntustudio, theme little changed since Hardy) The reason is this: It is easy on the eyes, does not kill sleep afterwards at night with sky blue, and does not hide icons. When I used actual forest photographs the icons disappeared into the busy underbrush. I looked at some of the other wallpapers in this thread and the soft-blue as I call it with ubuntustudio logo looked like one that would work well for a lot of people and fit the blue theme. One work on blue wallpapers: according to sleep scientists, they are excellent for people working in the morning but will delay sleep long after shutdown for us night folks, as light blue is the color the eye uses to signal daytime. That was why I stopped using blue wallpapers. On the other hand, for folks in short winter days there may be nothing better. Just as a general observation: I like the simplicity, as I believe the current wallpaper is too busy/distracting (as in, it gets visually in the way to using the computer). So, style-wise, I like the direction of non-obstructive simplicity. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:39 +, Luke Kuhn wrote: In my experience any wallpaper must not have a tendency to hide icons on the desktop, except of course for those users who do not set Nautilus (2 or 3) to draw icons on the desktop. I have played with a great many wallpapers but always go back to the old KDE3.5 soft-green(with my customized UI based on Ubuntustudio, theme little changed since Hardy) The reason is this: It is easy on the eyes, does not kill sleep afterwards at night with sky blue, and does not hide icons. When I used actual forest photographs the icons disappeared into the busy underbrush. I don't use the desktop for icons, it's just the background for apps. IMO any user should add a wallpaper her/him self. When doing artwork I often prefer a decent two colour gradient. For making music it shouldn't be loud too. At the moment I'm using the Edubuntu (perhaps Ubuntu) default for Maverick, I'll call it a tree in a ubuntu-coloured landscape. Btw. I'm tiered, it took the whole night to tidy up my HDDs and now I need to make some lightscribe art for the Natty install DVD. Or is there already something I could use? I guess I simply use the logo http://ubuntustudio.org/themes/ubuntustudio/logo.png and add the release version. If it should take longer than 5 minutes, I guess I'll drop off ;). I might just as well use a marker, but I like such details, perhaps a neurosis. :D -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 Oneiric artwork brainstorming/discussion
Howdy, On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.com wrote: I like the simplicity and the etch design. I like the etched concept, especially when I think of it in stone or granite, it gives a sense of stability, strength, and vast, earthshaking power just under the surface. Some potent undercurrent waiting to be tapped. Kokito, would that be something we could incorporate into the banner for the website? The words Ubuntu Studio etched into granite or similar instead of the blob image, I've never liked any of the blob images. I am not sure I understand what you mean by the blob image. Can you be specific? Cheers, Jorge -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
gnome-raw-thumbnailer by default?
Just looking through old bugs, and I came across: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-raw-thumbnailer/+bug/6090 It pains me when I see a maybe next cycle referring to a release from four years ago. Either way promoting to main and including by default would give us thumbnails for (most) digital camera picture formats. Thanks, Scott Ritchie -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Python text editor
I am now using IDLE Python Shell. Thanks Joel. Thanks too, Ian, for the other choices. Geoffrey -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Unity
I installed Natty a few days ago and I must say I can't stand it. I have been experimenting with LXDE and other options (because GNOME 3 is nearly as bad as unity) and I think my future is with LXDE. I think Unity has turned me away from Ubuntu and I don't think it will be too long before I'm using another distro. Maybe not, we'll see. Jake -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity
On 23 May 2011 23:24, tridecet...@gawab.com wrote: I installed Natty a few days ago and I must say I can't stand it. I have been experimenting with LXDE and other options (because GNOME 3 is nearly as bad as unity) and I think my future is with LXDE. I think Unity has turned me away from Ubuntu and I don't think it will be too long before I'm using another distro. Maybe not, we'll see. Jake -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Jake You don't have to leave Ubuntu just to use LXDE - just check out Lubuntu - http://lubuntu.net/ . It's becoming official as soon as Canonical put extra hard drive space into production on their CD Image server (this is already in testing so it will be before the next release). I currently use it on all hardware that is not up to modern distribution level (Pentium 4s and older still run great even with 512MB of RAM). You've stated you don't like Gnome 3 or Unity but I don't see that argument as a reason to leave Ubuntu when there's still LXDE, XFCE KDE officially supported on Ubuntu (with many, many others unofficially supported). Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity
That's true, I am actually using LXDE with Natty as I write this email :D I know I don't have to leave to because of Unity, and I haven't yet. I guess I'm just feeling a little disappointed and am taking it out on Canonical. I feel like Unity (and GNOME3) are a demonstration of a movement in computing (society in general) that I dislike. When I use a tool I want it to be functional, not flashy; it's features right at my fingertips. It's probably not the right forum to just whinge like this, so I'm sorry. I'm just disappointed. Jake On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 23:31 +1000, Jared Norris wrote: On 23 May 2011 23:24, tridecet...@gawab.com wrote: I installed Natty a few days ago and I must say I can't stand it. I have been experimenting with LXDE and other options (because GNOME 3 is nearly as bad as unity) and I think my future is with LXDE. I think Unity has turned me away from Ubuntu and I don't think it will be too long before I'm using another distro. Maybe not, we'll see. Jake -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Jake You don't have to leave Ubuntu just to use LXDE - just check out Lubuntu - http://lubuntu.net/ . It's becoming official as soon as Canonical put extra hard drive space into production on their CD Image server (this is already in testing so it will be before the next release). I currently use it on all hardware that is not up to modern distribution level (Pentium 4s and older still run great even with 512MB of RAM). You've stated you don't like Gnome 3 or Unity but I don't see that argument as a reason to leave Ubuntu when there's still LXDE, XFCE KDE officially supported on Ubuntu (with many, many others unofficially supported). Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Thanks for the Stickers!
Hi Guys, Who's ever responsible (I'm assuming they're on the List). Many thanks for the Stickers! They finally arrived here in yesterdays post, after requesting them some time ago. So, many thanks. There's now several smiling Ubuntu faces around here, with their 'Powered by Ubuntu' stickers. The stickers were attached to laptops in a somewhat mini-coronation crowning ceremony with the utmost pride. The few left overs we have will be used for new Ubuntu converts and installs. :) Cheers, Rob -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity
On 23/05/11 23:24, tridecet...@gawab.com wrote: I installed Natty a few days ago and I must say I can't stand it. I sympathise - I know the feeling :-( . I have been experimenting with LXDE and other options (because GNOME 3 is nearly as bad as unity) The key word here is nearly as bad. In fact it is better and *more* *configurable* than Unity. Of course, at this early stage there are some quirks to iron out but the potential is definitely there. At this point I shall state that I have switched over to openSUSE (11.4 with KDE). Why you ask? Because of Unity. But why KDE? For this reason: openSUSE has always had KDE as it flagship, and has always also had very good implementation and support of Gnome. On the other hand, Ubuntu has always been Gnome with wishy-washy implementation of KDE - but now Ubuntu has dropped Gnome and has gone Unity. KDE is in there, and will be there, for the long haul and the best implementation and support of KDE is by openSUSE. Irrespective of what happens to Unity or Gnome #3, KDE will be there and will keep improving. Now, having said this, openSUSE does have good support for GNOME #3 and I have tried it. As I said, it is more configurable than Unity. I have it installed (oops, sorry, had - I used the HDs on my wife's computer) on my other set of HDs and used it, alternating between KDE and Gnome #3. If you want to try out what Gnome #3 really looks like download openSUSE 11.4 which is 'pre-configured' with Gnome #3 from here: http://www.gnome3.org/tryit.html It is basically a Live *DVD* [1] but you can install it (much more preferable) and the installation is done from within *YaST2* (GeckoComputerYaST2) and not from the boot message you get when you first run the DVD. [1] The data is just a tad too big for a normal CD - unless you want to over-burn - so burn it to a 4.7GB DVD. and I think my future is with LXDE. I think Unity has turned me away from Ubuntu and I don't think it will be too long before I'm using another distro. Maybe not, we'll see. Jake BC -- The time has been That, when the brains were out, the man would die, Macbeth, Shakespeare -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity
Jake, The desktop environment shouldn't be a reason to move away from Ubuntu. There are plenty of options for desktop environments available either in the core Ubuntu repositories or additional ppas from Launchpad; or as a last resort, somewhere like getdeb. What is it about Gnome 3 and Unity that you really don't like? cheers, Jared On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, tridecet...@gawab.com wrote: I installed Natty a few days ago and I must say I can't stand it. I have been experimenting with LXDE and other options (because GNOME 3 is nearly as bad as unity) and I think my future is with LXDE. I think Unity has turned me away from Ubuntu and I don't think it will be too long before I'm using another distro. Maybe not, we'll see. Jake -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Jared Quinn ja...@jaredquinn.info p: +61 434 624465 w: http://jaredquinn.info -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity Desktop
My understanding is that there is a bug report in Launchpad for this (from ubuntu forums a few weeks ago), and if not then there should be. Opening documents on a different workspace should definitely be classed as unexpected behaviour. You might try to find the report on Launchpad and click the effects me too button. You'll be posted updates as things develop. The Launchpad process is quite interesting: I had a few bug reports that I did for Unity 2D, including the memory leak bug in Unity2d-places. Chris From: Peter Kukums ieee_div...@kukums.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 11:07:52 PM Subject: Unity Desktop Hi folks, I was concerned about the Unity desktop for use by PC beginners, but having used it for a while now I find it is not as bad as previously discussed on this forum. However, I find one behaviour which would be confusing for beginners. Opening documents by double-clicking on them causes them to open Libre Office in another workspace if they open in full screen mode as the spreadsheets seem to. This is a bit disconcerting as it may appear to the user that nothing has happened. Does anyone out there know if there is some configuration somewhere which can be changed to cause it to open in the current workspace. I still haven't stumbled across it anywhere. Cheers, Peter-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Unity Desktop
On 23/05/11 23:07, Peter Kukums wrote: Hi folks, I was concerned about the Unity desktop for use by PC beginners, but having used it for a while now I find it is not as bad as previously discussed on this forum. However, I find one behaviour which would be confusing for beginners. Opening documents by double-clicking on them causes them to open Libre Office in another workspace if they open in full screen mode as the spreadsheets seem to. This is a bit disconcerting as it may appear to the user that nothing has happened. Does anyone out there know if there is some configuration somewhere which can be changed to cause it to open in the current workspace. I still haven't stumbled across it anywhere. Cheers, Peter I can hear the bell but cannot tell which direction the sound is coming from. :-( . Meaning, that somewhere in the back of my mind something similar was mentioned before and the answer lay in setting the default applications option to the correct choice. For example, on my wife's computer Firefox would start when Nautilus was started. Selecting the correct default application fixed the problem. But, as I said, I remember this happening but cannot remember the *exact* details, sorry :-( . Do a search in Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/). BC -- Don't argue with an idiot, people may not see the difference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
The future of the universe and the Ubuntu Metrics team
If you have not seen Matthew Paul Thomas' excellent plenary on The future of the universe, continued, do watch the recording which went up late last week: http://blip.tv/ubuntu-developers/ubuntu-uds-o-budapest-thursday-plenary-presentations-5183809 Hoping to build on the momentum from this, I've created an Ubuntu Metrics Launchpad team. It is here that I hope we can share ideas and experiences around analyzing data to better inform our decision-making and understanding of progress as we try to build a consumer-ready product. If you're interested in this area, please join the team and make sure you're on the mailing list. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-metrics Thanks, Evan -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Oneiric weekly release meeting - staying on Friday
At UDS, I took the action to explore finding a new day as opposed to Friday for Oneiric Release Review. After talking to several of the stake holders, it looks like we've got too many conflicts, and my hope of moving the meeting to earlier in the week is not going to work this cycle. (Wednesday looked close to working, but another meeting moving to #ubuntu-meeting, stomped it). Net, the weekly Oneiric Release meeting will continue to be on Friday at 1500 UTC for this cycle. Thanks, Kate -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:23 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you connect the multiface to another interface). FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite under Linux. Hm? I tries to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to current user queries, but it failed. Hi Admin [1] ;). Hi Gustin :), hi Ubuntu Studio users list :), pardon LAD ;) IIUC a HDSPe AIO or DSP 9632 is all I need, if I just need a stereo IO? I only need to buy a BF-BOXLRMKH or BF-BOCMKH breakout cable? There are a number of possible solutions. It sounds like the AIO might be what you want, but I would ask someone local if you are unsure (in other words, don't just take my word for it). If I need additional IOs and wish to avoid Multiface firmware issues, I can add AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO. You could add anything that speaks ADAT, assuming you get the PCI/PCIe card with ADAT connectors on it. If I need much more IOs and don't have enough money for RME IOs, I can e.g. use a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL by ADAT connection. The sound quality might be less good and I guess this will add extra latency and Ardour won't auto-compensate this extra latency automatically? What latency are you talking about? The only latency this adds is electrical switching and media conversion + travel time for the optical signal + the DAC/ADC. The sound quality of Behringer tends to be lower than other solutions, but this should work. As long as I'm using a mobo with PCI slots I can use AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO with a DSP 9632 and when I switch to a mobo with PCIe only I can switch from DSP 9632 to HDSPe AIO and keep AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO (and e.g. a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL ;)? This sounds right. If in doubt check with RME. The compatibility of the add on boards is listed on this page: http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_expansion_boards.php Using a DSP 9632 with a PCIe to PCI bridge doesn't work or at least could cause issues? Never heard of such a thing. I would not trust it, but I tend to be skeptical of such kludges. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
UbuStu Art
I don't know if he's still active or not, but Shitsukesen has some very nice work posted at Deviant Art. I've found his wallpaper to be quite beautiful, unobtrusive and conducive to creative expression. http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Studio-Wallpaper-173220729 He's also done some nice work with the UbuntuStudio brandmark http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/210/0/6/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V2_by_shitsukesen.png http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/211/f/3/Ubuntu_Studio_Brandmark_V3_by_shitsukesen.png His gallery is at http://shitsukesen.deviantart.com/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
UbuStu Themes
Greetings All: End user here, no design or coding DNA to be had. Might I request/suggest that the final UbuStu theme provide a choice between dark and light similar to the Ambiance and Radiance themes available in plain vanilla Ubuntu? The justification for this request is that under the current UbuStu theme, many program controls, icons and selections are very hard to see, Ardour being a particular example. Thankfully, Ardour provides its own Light theme, but most of the other packages derive their display directly from Ubuntu. Thanks in advance. Ubuntu Studio rocks and I look forward to the updated LTS release. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
