Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Randolfe Wicker]

It was published by Jennifer.  However, she 
uses footage from a Josh Leo video with him sucking on a flask as the audio is 
talking about someone becoming hopelessly "addicted" to alcohol.
 
It was a remix/collaboration vlog.  When you 
watch 50 a day, you can't keep all the details straight in your head.  No 
slight meant to Jennifer or anyone else.
 
I think the Yahoo vlog search included one 
(possibly only one) of your videos.
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Markus Sandy 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn 
  Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
  No, that was Jennifer Rundle - get a clue Randy!http://www.blip.tv/file/5629Randolfe 
  Wicker wrote: 
  


Thanks Enric. I think Josh Leo had a vlog 
entitled "Don't Let This Happen to You" a couple days ago which used old 
films against the consumption of alcohol to great effect.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Randolfe Wicker]

I watched the movie on Blip TV two days ago.  
I even left feedback telling the guy that if he really thought God had spoken to 
him about porn, he probably needed psychiatric help.
 
There was another similar vlog on with a misleading 
title that featured an ex-striper who was out evangelizing working girls and 
trying to get them to come to church.
 
 
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InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bill 
  Day 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:45 
  PM
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. 
  Grow up! There's real life going on.
  Randolfe, why are you so intolerant?  You have not 
  seen the movie yet you judge it is sour puss evangelism VH-1 watched 
  the movie and they thought it was funny enough to order a pilot for a 
  reality series.  check out the movie site http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com 
  and tell me what is sour puss about it? Here is the 
  rottentomatoes review (which uses the word "hilarious.") http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10005116/reviews.php?critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1371399I 
  think you are mixing up the non-christian filmmaker with christians who appear 
  in the film. The Jpeg of the kids reading porn spam does make a 
  point. I just think your fear of getting christians cooties is clouding 
  your judgement.  Bill Dayhttp://mebillday.blogspot.com--- 
  In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>> That JPEG picture used  by Bill Day to make a 
  point was actually the cover picture for a Christian Evangelical group 
  whose leader said God spoke to him and spoke of "porn".  It was a 
  sham.  > > I thought it was an attempt at off-color humor 
  when I first saw it.  And, yes, it was too interesting not to 
  explore. What a disappointment to find a sour-puss Evangelical instead of 
  tasteless sick comic in the video.> > And for that matter, the 
  photo could hardly be called pornographic, it was the wording and when you 
  start censoring words you really are getting into censorship.> > 
  > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > Videographer, Writer, 
  Activist> Advisor: The Immortality Institute> Hoboken, 
  NJ> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> 
  201-656-3280> > >   - Original Message 
  - >   From: Bill Day >   To: 
  videoblogging@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Friday, December 02, 
  2005 4:48 AM>   Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. 
  Grow up! There's real life going on.> > > 
  >   yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is 
  related to kids encountering this stuff. >   I like to 
  use this illustration in that regard. > >   http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg> 
  >   People find it irresponsible to create a picture like 
  this, but then support "who the &@[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   cares if we 
  see a dick" type of attitude. > >   Ironic. > 
  > >   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>   >>   > 
  Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some 
  of you >   make >   > mention of 'self 
  policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? 
  >   Don't >   > we have enough 
  policing?>   > >   > What is going to 
  happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese are 
  >   > distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in 
  the issue of what is decent and what >   is 
  >   > not is to be part of the problem. 
  >   > >   > Hello- In a few decades 
  the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at 
  >   > war based on complete deception and implemented by 
  torture.   Who the fuck cares if >   you 
  >   > see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian 
  directories such as itunes which will >   > remove 
  such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their 
  directory >   > with no explanation. 
  >   > >   > No censorship. If you are 
  afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and >   
  watch >   > nothing else.>   > 
  >   > If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is 
  another matter entirely. >   > >   > 
  Richard Bluestein>   > podshow.com>   
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

Sure thing!  Have fun.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Enric. I think Josh Leo had a vlog entitled "Don't Let This
Happen to You" a couple days ago which used old films against the
consumption of alcohol to great effect.
> 
> Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
> 
> Videographer, Writer, Activist
> Advisor: The Immortality Institute
> Hoboken, NJ
> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
> 201-656-3280
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Enric 
>   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:24 PM
>   Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real
life going on.
> 
> 
>   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > What format should you use to download if you do want to remix and
>   post in a vlog???  They are vintage sad ravings.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
>   > 
>   > Videographer, Writer, Activist
>   > Advisor: The Immortality Institute
>   > Hoboken, NJ
>   > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
>   > 201-656-3280
> 
>   I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx quick start.
> 
> -- Enric
> 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   - Original Message - 
>   >   From: Markus Sandy 
>   >   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real
>   life going on.
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   right on!
>   > 
>   >   As to why?  Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these
classics 
>   >   from the internet archive:
>   > 
>   >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965
>   >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2
>   >   http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex
>   > 
>   >   With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty interesting:
>   > 
>   >   http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004
>   > 
>   >   markus
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Rishey wrote:
>   > 
>   >   >Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see
>   porn? Some of you make 
>   >   >mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what
>   that sentence means? Don't 
>   >   >we have enough policing?
>   >   >
>   >   >What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a
>   vagina? NOTHING. THese are 
>   >   >distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of
>   what is decent and what is 
>   >   >not is to be part of the problem. 
>   >   >
>   >   >Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be
>   underwater. Our world is at 
>   >   >war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who
>   the fuck cares if you 
>   >   >see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories
>   such as itunes which will 
>   >   >remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com
>   from their directory 
>   >   >with no explanation. 
>   >   >
>   >   >No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe
>   to Rocketboom and watch 
>   >   >nothing else.
>   >   >
>   >   >If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter
>   entirely. 
>   >   >
>   >   >Richard Bluestein
>   >   >podshow.com
>   >   >  
>   >   >
>   > 
>   >   -- 
>   > 
>   >   My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us
>   > 
>   >   http://apperceptions.org
>   >   http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
>   >   http://spinflow.org
>   >   http://wearethemedia.com
>   >   http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Randolfe Wicker]

Thanks Enric. I think Josh Leo had a vlog 
entitled "Don't Let This Happen to You" a couple days ago which used old films 
against the consumption of alcohol to great effect.
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Enric 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. 
  Grow up! There's real life going on.
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, 
  Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>wrote:>> What 
  format should you use to download if you do want to remix andpost in a 
  vlog???  They are vintage sad ravings.> > > Randolfe 
  (Randy) Wicker> > Videographer, Writer, Activist> 
  Advisor: The Immortality Institute> Hoboken, NJ> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> 
  201-656-3280I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx 
  quick start.  -- Enric> > >   
  - Original Message - >   From: Markus Sandy 
  >   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com >   
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM>   Subject: Re: 
  [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's reallife going on.> 
  > >   right on!> >   As to 
  why?  Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these classics 
  >   from the internet archive:> >   
  http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965>   
  http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2>   
  http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex> 
  >   With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty 
  interesting:> >   http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004> 
  >   markus> > >   Rishey 
  wrote:> >   >Do you ask yourself why it is that you 
  think people shouldn't seeporn? Some of you make >   
  >mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize whatthat 
  sentence means? Don't >   >we have enough 
  policing?>   >>   >What is going to 
  happen if you accidentally see a penis or avagina? NOTHING. THese are 
  >   >distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in 
  the issue ofwhat is decent and what is >   >not is to 
  be part of the problem. >   >>   
  >Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could beunderwater. 
  Our world is at >   >war based on complete deception and 
  implemented by torture.   Whothe fuck cares if you 
  >   >see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian 
  directoriessuch as itunes which will >   >remove such 
  material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.comfrom their directory 
  >   >with no explanation. >   
  >>   >No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, 
  then subscribeto Rocketboom and watch >   >nothing 
  else.>   >>   >If you're talking about 
  SPAM, however, that is another matterentirely. >   
  >>   >Richard Bluestein>   
  >podshow.com>   >  >   
  >> >   -- > >   My name is 
  Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us> >   http://apperceptions.org>   
  http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com>   
  http://spinflow.org>   http://wearethemedia.com>   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Miss Amy]

as an outsider,  I read through all these responses. The back and
forth is hilarious! Ah- controversy is such the life spice.

I agree with whomever said- who the fuck cares if ANYONE sees someone's
pee-pee. That's the least of the disturbing things that exist on the
internet and the outside world for which it is a mirror.  I'd be
more upset if my kid saw someone get shot on the TV. Death is worse
than sex. Censorship is worse than sex. Pee-pees good--- killing,
manipulating, discriminating bad.

www.hidingfromsociety.com

xox,
Amy from OhioOn 12/2/05, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Something that is never mentioned in all this talk 
about "kids and adult content" is that if they are "too young", they won't find 
it interesting.  If they find it interesting, they are probably old enough 
to be viewing it.
 
That was what was really wacky about that JPEG with 
two kids barely old enough to walk and talk supposedly saying what their email 
(porno) content was.  They weren't old enough to go on a computer.  If 
they were on a computer, they wouldn't know what the words meant.
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280

 
 

  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  Michael 
  Ridley 
  To: 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn 
  Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
  Perhaps. I'd argue that that decision is up to their 
  parents.  I firstgot online in 1992 or so, and I guess I would have 
  been about 12 or 13at the time.  My parents didn't choose to be 
  involved in what I was orwas not looking at, content-wise.  Granted 
  you could say that in 1992there wasn't much general awareness of the 
  "dangers" of being online,but my dad was savvy enough to know what was 
  up..he just didn't feelthe need to make an issue of it, because he felt I 
  had the commonsense to make appropriate choices.But who knows, for 
  some other parents, sure maybe they want to filterthat out.  But the 
  point is, the onus is on the consumer (parent) noton the content 
  provider.  As the saying goes, if you don't like it,don't watch 
  it.-mOn 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael 
  Ridley>>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  
  >>  > OK well now this is my pet peeve.  I want 
  everyone to shut the fuck>  up about>  > 
  kids.  It is not the mission of the world to protect all children 
  from>  > anything that might be dangerous at any time in any 
  place.  Now the>  whole>  > subject of what is 
  or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of>  > worms 
  that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the 
  point.>  >>  > The point is - it is not my 
  responsibility to filter my site (or my>  life in>  
  > general) in the event that some child might happen upon it.  
  There's>  this>  > concept called parental 
  responsibility.  It's a doctrine which puts>  
  forth>  > the concept that if you are going to have children, 
  then that's an>  active>  > exercise which requires 
  full participation for approximately 16 to>  18 
  years.>  >>  > If you are so concerned about 
  what material of an objectionable>  nature your>  > 
  kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those 
  things.>  Sort of>  > like how you might not let 
  them wander around the red light district of>  > Amsterdam on 
  their own at 4 AM.  Same concept.  The correct 
  solution>  here is>  > for parents to step up and 
  make rules and set limits, not to have some>  > arbitrarily 
  large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits>  the 
  rights>  > of all adults everywhere.>  
  >>  > I will not be subjugated by the delicate and 
  impressionable nature>  of 4 year>  > olds.  
  That's a non-starter for me.>  >>  > 
  -m>  >>>  So people under the age of 
  eighteen should be kept by adults from>  sites like 
  mefeedia?>>    -- 
  Enric>>>>  > On 12/2/05, Bill Day 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  > >>  > 
  >>  > > yes it is part of life... but much of this 
  discussion is related>  to kids>  > > 
  encountering this stuff.>  > > I like to use this 
  illustration in that regard.>  > >>  > > 
  http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg>  
  > >>  > > People find it irresponsible to create a 
  picture like this, but then>  > > support &qu

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Randolfe Wicker]

Something that is never mentioned in all this talk 
about "kids and adult content" is that if they are "too young", they won't find 
it interesting.  If they find it interesting, they are probably old enough 
to be viewing it.
 
That was what was really wacky about that JPEG with 
two kids barely old enough to walk and talk supposedly saying what their email 
(porno) content was.  They weren't old enough to go on a computer.  If 
they were on a computer, they wouldn't know what the words meant.
 
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
 
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality 
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Ridley 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn 
  Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
  Perhaps. I'd argue that that decision is up to their 
  parents.  I firstgot online in 1992 or so, and I guess I would have 
  been about 12 or 13at the time.  My parents didn't choose to be 
  involved in what I was orwas not looking at, content-wise.  Granted 
  you could say that in 1992there wasn't much general awareness of the 
  "dangers" of being online,but my dad was savvy enough to know what was 
  up..he just didn't feelthe need to make an issue of it, because he felt I 
  had the commonsense to make appropriate choices.But who knows, for 
  some other parents, sure maybe they want to filterthat out.  But the 
  point is, the onus is on the consumer (parent) noton the content 
  provider.  As the saying goes, if you don't like it,don't watch 
  it.-mOn 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael 
  Ridley>>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  
  >>  > OK well now this is my pet peeve.  I want 
  everyone to shut the fuck>  up about>  > 
  kids.  It is not the mission of the world to protect all children 
  from>  > anything that might be dangerous at any time in any 
  place.  Now the>  whole>  > subject of what is 
  or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of>  > worms 
  that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the 
  point.>  >>  > The point is - it is not my 
  responsibility to filter my site (or my>  life in>  
  > general) in the event that some child might happen upon it.  
  There's>  this>  > concept called parental 
  responsibility.  It's a doctrine which puts>  
  forth>  > the concept that if you are going to have children, 
  then that's an>  active>  > exercise which requires 
  full participation for approximately 16 to>  18 
  years.>  >>  > If you are so concerned about 
  what material of an objectionable>  nature your>  > 
  kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those 
  things.>  Sort of>  > like how you might not let 
  them wander around the red light district of>  > Amsterdam on 
  their own at 4 AM.  Same concept.  The correct 
  solution>  here is>  > for parents to step up and 
  make rules and set limits, not to have some>  > arbitrarily 
  large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits>  the 
  rights>  > of all adults everywhere.>  
  >>  > I will not be subjugated by the delicate and 
  impressionable nature>  of 4 year>  > olds.  
  That's a non-starter for me.>  >>  > 
  -m>  >>>  So people under the age of 
  eighteen should be kept by adults from>  sites like 
  mefeedia?>>    -- 
  Enric>>>>  > On 12/2/05, Bill Day 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>  > >>  > 
  >>  > > yes it is part of life... but much of this 
  discussion is related>  to kids>  > > 
  encountering this stuff.>  > > I like to use this 
  illustration in that regard.>  > >>  > > 
  http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg>  
  > >>  > > People find it irresponsible to create a 
  picture like this, but then>  > > support "who the 
  &@[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  > > cares if we see a dick" type of 
  attitude.>  > >>  > > 
  Ironic.>  > >>  > >>  > 
  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>  > > >>  > > > Do you ask 
  yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't>  see 
  porn?>  > > Some of you>  > > 
  make>  > > > mention of 'self policing' the community? Do 
  you realize what that>  > > sentence means?>  
  > > Don't>  > >

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

LOL, quite obviously...

   -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> sorry all this underneath rant was basically aimed at comments during  
> the day, it bares nothing to the thread attached.
> On 2 Dec 2005, at 19:34, Paul Knight wrote:
> 
> > Hi randy and enric,
> >
> > Although I understand that both of you have probably non-issues  
> > with pornography, check out this please before you pass any  
> > judgement.  What we have here is an adult site offering for free,  
> > not only 3 minute clips, but on some occations 30 minute clips of  
> > hardcore and specialised pornography, graphically showing the  
> > actors indulging in Bukaki, anal sex, bondage and fetish acts,  
> > which is as far away from the normal sexual act as you might expect  
> > to find on your top shelves, or even typing in "porn" in google,  
> > with or without the safety tabs on.
> > My problem is this, it's free, and aimed at ipods, not computers.   
> > Yes the site is office friendly, because you must download it; none  
> > of these films are streaming, yet.  I am neither a moralist or any  
> > kind of activist, but it's the kids who download this, pop it onto  
> > there ipods or psps or irivers, take them then into school and show  
> > this stuff around as they do, 'cos it's cool.  Then getting their  
> > ipods confiscated and then the where did you get this stuff from?  
> > questions start to appear.
> >
> > paul
> > On 2 Dec 2005, at 18:24, Enric wrote:
> >
> >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > What format should you use to download if you do want to remix and
> >> post in a vlog???  They are vintage sad ravings.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
> >> >
> >> > Videographer, Writer, Activist
> >> > Advisor: The Immortality Institute
> >> > Hoboken, NJ
> >> > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
> >> > 201-656-3280
> >>
> >> I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx quick start.
> >>
> >>   -- Enric
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   - Original Message -
> >> >   From: Markus Sandy
> >> >   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> >> >   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM
> >> >   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real
> >> life going on.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   right on!
> >> >
> >> >   As to why?  Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these  
> >> classics
> >> >   from the internet archive:
> >> >
> >> >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965
> >> >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2
> >> >   http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex
> >> >
> >> >   With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty interesting:
> >> >
> >> >   http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004
> >> >
> >> >   markus
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   Rishey wrote:
> >> >
> >> >   >Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't  
> >> see
> >> porn? Some of you make
> >> >   >mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what
> >> that sentence means? Don't
> >> >   >we have enough policing?
> >> >   >
> >> >   >What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a
> >> vagina? NOTHING. THese are
> >> >   >distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of
> >> what is decent and what is
> >> >   >not is to be part of the problem.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be
> >> underwater. Our world is at
> >> >   >war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.
> >> Who
> >> the fuck cares if you
> >> >   >see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories
> >> such as itunes which will
> >> >   >remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com
> >> from their directory
> >> >   >with no explanation.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe
> >> to Rocketboom and watch
> >> >   >nothing else.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter
> >> entirely.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >Richard Bluestein
> >> >   >podshow.com
> >> >   >
> >> >   >
> >> >
> >> >   --
> >> >
> >> >   My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us
> >> >
> >> >   http://apperceptions.org
> >> >   http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
> >> >   http://spinflow.org
> >> >   http://wearethemedia.com
> >> >   http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/
> >> >
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

In the podcast from the Blogher session "Blogging for Business",
Christine Halvorson of Stonyfield Yogurt talks about how the president
of the company insisted on creating a company blog even though the
marketing department was in the beginning opposed to it:

Blogher related site
http://surfette.typepad.com/blogher/2005/11/blogher_audioca.html
http://tinyurl.com/ds29y

IT Conversations podcast of session
http://www.itconversations.com/series/blogher05.html
http://tinyurl.com/9cbmv

Stonyfield Farm Blog
http://www.stonyfield.com/weblog/

   -- Enric
   http://www.cirne.com
   Determine the Media

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I need to learn how to speak about my feelings of commercialization in
> the media.
> it never quite comes out right.
> nothing wrong with busness and profit and money...
> what is wrong is the amount of negative influence, explotation, and
> lack of respect for the community for which a company lives in.
> but as my punk upbringing has taught me: "its not what they sell, its
> what we buy."
> 
> > Thinking that companies will push out feeds of the 30 second
commercials
> > you see on tv is a little silly. No company is that fucking stupid
(well,
> > there'll be two and then it'll backfire and there'll be none).
> 
> i meant more the spam blogs. just like a majority of email is
> spam...my fear is that youll see feeds full of little commercials for
> whatever spam 'sells'.
> 
> but as Sull mentioned, i can see tradtional companies sponsoring
> videoblogs that are entertaining or informattive.
> The Circuit City Tech Review where two cool, alternative hosts talk
> about the latest camcorders.
> 
> 
> > I keep seeing this latent assumption that if a company is behind a
> > (video)blog then they don't have anything worthwhile to say. It's
just not
> > true. Of course you have to let the company know when they fuck up (if
> > they start sending 30 commercial clips out and calling it a vlog), but
> > this idea that as a company they can't make vlogs is just annoying
to no
> > end.
> 
> companies in the US have a very bad reputation for making content that
> is authentic or useful. usually they add their "image/concept content"
> to popular entertainment.
> I must look at their content in the subway car when i ride to work. I
> got to see their content on every phone booth. I hear it in the cab's
> radio between the news updates. i got to see it when i read the
> magazine and newspaper.  Their content is the TV.
> and what do i gain from their content?
> 
> i cant think the last time a large US company made a piece of content
> that was worthwhile.
> when they do, ill be the first to subscribe.
> andreas, i hope there is a turning point here and companies will begin
> to create/sponsor material that is useful.
> 
> jay
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Paul Knight]

sorry all this underneath rant was basically aimed at comments during the day, it bares nothing to the thread attached.On 2 Dec 2005, at 19:34, Paul Knight wrote: Hi randy and enric,Although I understand that both of you have probably non-issues with pornography, check out this please before you pass any judgement.  What we have here is an adult site offering for free, not only 3 minute clips, but on some occations 30 minute clips of hardcore and specialised pornography, graphically showing the actors indulging in Bukaki, anal sex, bondage and fetish acts, which is as far away from the normal sexual act as you might expect to find on your top shelves, or even typing in "porn" in google, with or without the safety tabs on.My problem is this, it's free, and aimed at ipods, not computers.  Yes the site is office friendly, because you must download it; none of these films are streaming, yet.  I am neither a moralist or any kind of activist, but it's the kids who download this, pop it onto there ipods or psps or irivers, take them then into school and show this stuff around as they do, 'cos it's cool.  Then getting their ipods confiscated and then the where did you get this stuff from? questions start to appear.paulOn 2 Dec 2005, at 18:24, Enric wrote:  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What format should you use to download if you do want to remix and post in a vlog???  They are vintage sad ravings. >  >  > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker >  > Videographer, Writer, Activist > Advisor: The Immortality Institute > Hoboken, NJ > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ > 201-656-3280  I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx quick start.    -- Enric  >  >  >   - Original Message -  >   From: Markus Sandy  >   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com  >   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM >   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. >  >  >   right on! >  >   As to why?  Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these classics  >   from the internet archive: >  >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965 >   http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2 >   http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex >  >   With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty interesting: >  >   http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004 >  >   markus >  >  >   Rishey wrote: >  >   >Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you make  >   >mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don't  >   >we have enough policing? >   > >   >What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese are  >   >distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what is  >   >not is to be part of the problem.  >   > >   >Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at  >   >war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who the fuck cares if you  >   >see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which will  >   >remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their directory  >   >with no explanation.  >   > >   >No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and watch  >   >nothing else. >   > >   >If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely.  >   > >   >Richard Bluestein >   >podshow.com >   >   >   > >  >   --  >  >   My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us >  >   http://apperceptions.org >   http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com >   http://spinflow.org >   http://wearethemedia.com >   http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ >  >   aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >   msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >   skype: msandy >   spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >  >  >  >   SPONSORED LINKS Individual  Fireant  Typepad   > Use   >  >  > -- >   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  >  > a..  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. >    > b..  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] >    > c..  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.  >  >  > -- >   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "vi

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[petertheman]

It's a good idea, but requires more coding than I can muster right
now.. Will probably implement this in January..

Peter

> Not that this thread hasn't run it's course, but I do like one  
> suggestion that was made, and I sincerely hope that Peter takes it  
> into serious consideration. The suggestion was to "safe filter" by  
> default, much the way Google does for image searches. Considering how  
> "public" (both figuratively and financially) Google is, I feel they  
> devised a very good solution; the filter is easy enough to disable  
> should you desire to.
> 
> My 2¢.
> 
> - joshpaul
> 
> On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!
> > of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...
> > but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing  
> > that their are always exceptions.
> > no solution will ever be perfect.
> >
> >
> > On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jay dedman wrote:
> > > >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> > > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
> > friendly" stuff.
> > > >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
> > content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> > > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
> > content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
> > to decide how best to approach that.
> > > >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
> > owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
> > the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
> > this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues  
> > maybe ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > great idea. very proactive.
> > > > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for  
> > eric's kids.
> > > > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > > > but i think the feed died out.
> > > > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > > > itll come as content grows.
> > > >
> > > > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> > >
> > > Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about
> > > kids.mefeedia.com? :)
> > >
> > > It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging  
> > directory
> > > and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff
> > > comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
> > the
> > > reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just  
> > another cog
> > > in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > --
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> > > videoblog for the future...
> > >
> >
> > I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
> > but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

Last year I was a projectionist at the Cinequest Film Festival  in the University Theatre .  A rucuous group of poeple came in, yelling, shouting, joking and having fun.  Then they showed the film, "Missionary Positions" which I thought was well done and honest.  I don't agree that porn is "bad" or "good".  But the people who made the film have a quirky view of the world with some ideas that make sense.  -- Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Randolfe, why are you so intolerant?  You have not seen the movie yet you judge it is sour > puss evangelism VH-1 watched the movie and they thought it was funny enough to > order a pilot for a reality series.  > > check out the movie site > > http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com > > and tell me what is sour puss about it? > > Here is the rottentomatoes review (which uses the word "hilarious.") > > http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10005116/reviews.php?> critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1371399> > I think you are mixing up the non-christian filmmaker with christians who appear in the > film. > > The Jpeg of the kids reading porn spam does make a point. I just think your fear of getting > christians cooties is clouding your judgement.  > > Bill Day> http://mebillday.blogspot.com> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> >> > That JPEG picture used  by Bill Day to make a point was actually the cover picture for a > Christian Evangelical group whose leader said God spoke to him and spoke of "porn".  It > was a sham.  > > > > I thought it was an attempt at off-color humor when I first saw it.  And, yes, it was too > interesting not to explore. What a disappointment to find a sour-puss Evangelical instead > of tasteless sick comic in the video.> > > > And for that matter, the photo could hardly be called pornographic, it was the wording > and when you start censoring words you really are getting into censorship.> > > > > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > > > Videographer, Writer, Activist> > Advisor: The Immortality Institute> > Hoboken, NJ> > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> > 201-656-3280> > > > > >   - Original Message - > >   From: Bill Day > >   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > >   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:48 AM> >   Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.> > > > > > > >   yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this > stuff. > >   I like to use this illustration in that regard. > > > >   http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg> > > >   People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support "who the > &@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >   cares if we see a dick" type of attitude. > > > >   Ironic. > > > > > >   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> >   >> >   > Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you > >   make > >   > mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? > >   Don't > >   > we have enough policing?> >   > > >   > What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese > are > >   > distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and > what > >   is > >   > not is to be part of the problem. > >   > > >   > Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is > at > >   > war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who the fuck cares > if > >   you > >   > see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which > will > >   > remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their > directory > >   > with no explanation. > >   > > >   > No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and > >   watch > >   > nothing else.> >   > > >   > If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely. > >   > > >   > Richard Bluestein> >   > podshow.com> >   >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   SPONSORED LINKS Individual  Fire

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Bill Day]

Randolfe, why are you so intolerant?  You have not seen the movie yet you judge 
it is sour 
puss evangelism VH-1 watched the movie and they thought it was funny enough 
to 
order a pilot for a reality series.  

check out the movie site 

http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com 

and tell me what is sour puss about it? 

Here is the rottentomatoes review (which uses the word "hilarious.") 

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10005116/reviews.php?
critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1371399

I think you are mixing up the non-christian filmmaker with christians who 
appear in the 
film. 

The Jpeg of the kids reading porn spam does make a point. I just think your 
fear of getting 
christians cooties is clouding your judgement.  

Bill Day
http://mebillday.blogspot.com




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That JPEG picture used  by Bill Day to make a point was actually the cover 
> picture for a 
Christian Evangelical group whose leader said God spoke to him and spoke of 
"porn".  It 
was a sham.  
> 
> I thought it was an attempt at off-color humor when I first saw it.  And, 
> yes, it was too 
interesting not to explore. What a disappointment to find a sour-puss 
Evangelical instead 
of tasteless sick comic in the video.
> 
> And for that matter, the photo could hardly be called pornographic, it was 
> the wording 
and when you start censoring words you really are getting into censorship.
> 
> 
> Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
> 
> Videographer, Writer, Activist
> Advisor: The Immortality Institute
> Hoboken, NJ
> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
> 201-656-3280
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Bill Day 
>   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:48 AM
>   Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going 
> on.
> 
> 
> 
>   yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids 
> encountering this 
stuff. 
>   I like to use this illustration in that regard. 
> 
>   http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg
> 
>   People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then 
> support "who the 
&@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   cares if we see a dick" type of attitude. 
> 
>   Ironic. 
> 
> 
>   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >
>   > Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? 
> Some of you 
>   make 
>   > mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that 
> sentence means? 
>   Don't 
>   > we have enough policing?
>   > 
>   > What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? 
> NOTHING. THese 
are 
>   > distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is 
> decent and 
what 
>   is 
>   > not is to be part of the problem. 
>   > 
>   > Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. 
> Our world is 
at 
>   > war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who the 
> fuck cares 
if 
>   you 
>   > see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as 
> itunes which 
will 
>   > remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from 
> their 
directory 
>   > with no explanation. 
>   > 
>   > No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to 
> Rocketboom and 
>   watch 
>   > nothing else.
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Eric Rice]

I agree.

All I can do in this world is protect my own kids. I make the rules. So when I 
populate 
FireANT, I'm putting in the things like the kidsafe feed (which could be 
abused--but that's 
what parenting entails)

I also have a client that has T&A in their video podcast. Mine is not to 
question why--- 
there's some content and there's an audience for that content.

One of the challenges I face is not being able to necessarily list that content 
in all places. 
And in theory, I can't even use OurMedia, since it could be argued that I am 
commercial (I 
constantly bring up the question: where does indie end and commercial begin? )

At any rate, I know it's difficult to always control everything a kid sees.. 
after all, I'm only 5 
years into the game. But there are a whole bunch of peripheral issues with 
that. Is the 
content wrong or right? I'm in California, where probably a lot more of my 
neighbors see 
no issue with the famous "postcards from buster" episode that could be 
viewed 
completely the opposite by some similar parent of age and demographic in 
another part of 
the country and/or world.

On the other hand, I do like reasonable ratings, either boolean or a sliding 
scale 1 for G, 2 
for PG (great for art/criminal/education issues of adult nature---) 3 for 
mature... it's not 
to try and label it but also to help clarify what it is... we do this with NSFW 
tags. And 
besides, does NSFW make a great marketing vehicle? ;-)

Just my thoughts.

ER




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK well now this is my pet peeve.  I want everyone to shut the fuck up about
> kids.  It is not the mission of the world to protect all children from
> anything that might be dangerous at any time in any place.  Now the whole
> subject of what is or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of
> worms that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the point.
> 
> The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my life in
> general) in the event that some child might happen upon it.  There's this
> concept called parental responsibility.  It's a doctrine which puts forth
> the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an active
> exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to 18 years.
> 
> If you are so concerned about what material of an objectionable nature your
> kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those things.  Sort of
> like how you might not let them wander around the red light district of
> Amsterdam on their own at 4 AM.  Same concept.  The correct solution here is
> for parents to step up and make rules and set limits, not to have some
> arbitrarily large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits the rights
> of all adults everywhere.
> 
> I will not be subjugated by the delicate and impressionable nature of 4 year
> olds.  That's a non-starter for me.
> 
> -m
> 
> On 12/2/05, Bill Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids
> > encountering this stuff.
> > I like to use this illustration in that regard.
> >
> > http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg
> >
> > People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then
> > support "who the &@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > cares if we see a dick" type of attitude.
> >
> > Ironic.
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn?
> > Some of you
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> > > mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that
> > sentence means?
> > Don't
> > > we have enough policing?
> > >
> > > What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina?
> > NOTHING. THese are
> > > distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is
> > decent and what
> > is
> > > not is to be part of the problem.
> > >
> > > Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater.
> > Our world is at
> > > war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who the
> > fuck cares if
> > you
> > > see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as
> > itunes which will
> > > remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from
> > their directory
> > > with no explanation.
> > >
> > > No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to
> > Rocketboom and
> > watch
> > > nothing else.
> > >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Brad Webb]

For me it's the thin edge of the wedge, and I think folks are focusing 
more on "oh no! it's porn!" -- where's the line drawn? How long until 
there's spvlogs, etc. Having a system in place to filter down -- not out 
-- things that negatively impact the community and tools aren't a bad 
thing, imho.

Michael Sullivan wrote:

> the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!
> of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...
> but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that 
> their are always exceptions.
> no solution will ever be perfect. 
>
>
> On 12/2/05, *Enric* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> , Pete Prodoehl
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jay dedman wrote:
> > >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
> friendly" stuff.
> > >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
> content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
> content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
> to decide how best to approach that.
> > >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
> owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
> the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
> this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues
> maybe ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > great idea. very proactive.
> > > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for
> eric's kids.
> > > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > > but i think the feed died out.
> > > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > > itll come as content grows.
> > >
> > > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> >
> > Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com
> , what about
> > kids.mefeedia.com ? :)
> >
> > It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging
> directory
> > and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff
> > comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know,
> before
> the
> > reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just
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> > in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> >
> > Pete
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:10:10 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
> >> Not all company (video)blogs are evil.
> >
> > im not making a judgement on the products...i just dont want my time
> > hijacked by watching commercials.
> 
> Thinking that companies will push out feeds of the 30 second
commercials  
> you see on tv is a little silly. No company is that fucking stupid
(well,  
> there'll be two and then it'll backfire and there'll be none).
> 
> I'll take three of the latest Danish corporate blogs as examples.
They're  
> not videoblogs, but the point is the same.
> 
>   - Arken is a Danish museum. Their blog is written by a handful of  
> employees and they write about what goes on at a museum and other  
> art-related matters. It's a company, but why shouldn't they be
listed in  
> an "Art" category? Their blog is at:  http://arken.blogs.com/arken_blog/ >
> 
>   - The Danish Patent and Trademark Office opened a weblog  http://www.dkpto.dk/weblog/ > where 17 out of their 240 knowledge
workers  
> blog about matters related to intellectual property laws. Why
shouldn't  
> they be included in a "Legal" category alongside the private lawyer?
> 
>   - Arla, the most evil Danish corporation (they have something like
90% of  
> the milk production in Denmark), started three weblogs. One is
authored by  
> a farmer and his wife. They blog about life on the farm and how it
is to  
> be a part of that big a corporation (actually every farmer is a
co-owner).  
> Why shouldn't they be listed under "Farm life" on equal terms with the  
> indie farmer? http://www.arla.dk/weblogs/baekgaarden >
> 
> I keep seeing this latent assumption that if a company is behind a  
> (video)blog then they don't have anything worthwhile to say. It's
just not  
> true. Of course you have to let the company know when they fuck up (if  
> they start sending 30 commercial clips out and calling it a vlog), but  
> this idea that as a company they can't make vlogs is just annoying
to no  
> end.
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Joshua Paul]

Not that this thread hasn't run it's course, but I do like one suggestion that was made, and I sincerely hope that Peter takes it into serious consideration. The suggestion was to "safe filter" by default, much the way Google does for image searches. Considering how "public" (both figuratively and financially) Google is, I feel they devised a very good solution; the filter is easy enough to disable should you desire to.My 2¢.- joshpaulOn Dec 2, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions.no solution will ever be perfect.  On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Jay dedman wrote:> >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kidfriendly" stuff.> >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adultcontent within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here" > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe videocontent which could be many things and is up to the directory curatorsto decide how best to approach that.> >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section onthe site geared for children education and entertainment etc, thenthis could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) > >> >> > great idea. very proactive.> > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.> >  http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov> > but i think the feed died out.> > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.> > itll come as content grows.> >> > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.>> Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about>  kids.mefeedia.com? :)>> It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory> and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff> comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the> reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog> in the corporate machine that is today's society.>> Pete>> -->  http://tinkernet.org/> videoblog for the future...>I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for childrenbut those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will interest parents mostly.  -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!
> of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...
> but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that
their
> are always exceptions.
> no solution will ever be perfect.
> 

Definately, it's usually a mistake to wait until a perfect solution is
constructed; you miss on things like HTML, RSS, OPML, etc.  I think
it's also an error to see sex as a all or nothing proposition:  either
it's completely available and al is allowed or completely restricted
and walled in.  Human being do have the capability to make rational,
objective decisions and policy on material that denigrates a group of
people whether by race, sex, ethnicity, etc.

  -- Enric
  

> 
> On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Jay dedman wrote:
> > > >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> > > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
> > friendly" stuff.
> > > >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
> > content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> > > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
> > content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
> > to decide how best to approach that.
> > > >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
> > owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
> > the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
> > this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues
maybe ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > great idea. very proactive.
> > > > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for
eric's kids.
> > > > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > > > but i think the feed died out.
> > > > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > > > itll come as content grows.
> > > >
> > > > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> > >
> > > Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about
> > > kids.mefeedia.com? :)
> > >
> > > It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging
directory
> > > and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff
> > > comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
> > the
> > > reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just
another cog
> > > in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://tinkernet.org/
> > > videoblog for the future...
> > >
> >
> > I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
> > but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
> > interest parents mostly.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Michael Sullivan]

the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions.no solution will ever be perfect.  
On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Jay dedman wrote:> >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kidfriendly" stuff.> >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adultcontent within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe videocontent which could be many things and is up to the directory curatorsto decide how best to approach that.> >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section onthe site geared for children education and entertainment etc, thenthis could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
> >> >> > great idea. very proactive.> > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.> > 
http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov> > but i think the feed died out.> > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.> > itll come as content grows.> >> > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.>> Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about> 
kids.mefeedia.com? :)>> It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory> and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff> comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
the> reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog> in the corporate machine that is today's society.>> Pete>> --> 
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Enric]

Is there a correlation between a child going to a peep show and
turning into a thief later?  Don't laws already prohibit adult
establishments from allowing minors in?  Aren't they already zoned in
cities?  Should those laws be eliminated because they restrict the
choices and/or availablity of adults?

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course it will.  In the same way that the kids section of Blockbuster
> interests parents.  There seems to be this view in our culture
lately that
> kids are like little grownups and they just go and do whatever they
want and
> so society has to protect them.  That perspective is...not even
wrong..it's
> just non-sensical.  Parents make the rules.  Parents enforce the limits.
> 
> If there is a kids section of a web site, then presumably that's
what the
> parents would sit down and look at with their children.  Just like
parents
> will steer their children to the kids section of the video store. 
It's not
> like parents just let their young children loose out in the world
and let
> them wander around XXX movie theatres all day long.  Perhaps some
parents DO
> do that, but that's not my problem - that's their problem for being bad
> parents.  And I'm pretty sure that if you have a 4 year old
wandering around
> the red light district trying to get into peep shows, having a law
requiring
> the establishment to card them and not let them in is probably not
going to
> put that kid back on the "right path" and keep them from car jacking
me in
> 10 years.  They're probably well on that path already due to very poor
> parenting.
> 
> -m
> 
> On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Jay dedman wrote:
> > > >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> > > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
> > friendly" stuff.
> > > >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
> > content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> > > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
> > content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
> > to decide how best to approach that.
> > > >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
> > owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
> > the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
> > this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues
maybe ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > great idea. very proactive.
> > > > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for
eric's kids.
> > > > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > > > but i think the feed died out.
> > > > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > > > itll come as content grows.
> > > >
> > > > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> > >
> > > Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about
> > > kids.mefeedia.com? :)
> > >
> > > It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging
directory
> > > and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff
> > > comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
> > the
> > > reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just
another cog
> > > in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> > I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
> > but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Michael Ridley]

Of course it will.  In the same way that the kids section of Blockbuster interests parents.  There seems to be this view in our culture lately that kids are like little grownups and they just go and do whatever they want and so society has to protect them.  That perspective is...not even wrong..it's just non-sensical.  Parents make the rules.  Parents enforce the limits.
If there is a kids section of a web site, then presumably that's what the parents would sit down and look at with their children.  Just like parents will steer their children to the kids section of the video store.  It's not like parents just let their young children loose out in the world and let them wander around XXX movie theatres all day long.  Perhaps some parents DO do that, but that's not my problem - that's their problem for being bad parents.  And I'm pretty sure that if you have a 4 year old wandering around the red light district trying to get into peep shows, having a law requiring the establishment to card them and not let them in is probably not going to put that kid back on the "right path" and keep them from car jacking me in 10 years.  They're probably well on that path already due to very poor parenting.
-mOn 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jay dedman wrote:
> >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
friendly" stuff.
> >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
to decide how best to approach that.
> >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > great idea. very proactive.
> > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.
> > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > but i think the feed died out.
> > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > itll come as content grows.
> > 
> > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> 
> Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about 
> kids.mefeedia.com? :)
> 
> It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory 
> and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff 
> comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
the 
> reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog 
> in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> 
> Pete
> 
> -- 
> http://tinkernet.org/
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>

I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Michael Ridley]

Perhaps. I'd argue that that decision is up to their parents.  I first
got online in 1992 or so, and I guess I would have been about 12 or 13
at the time.  My parents didn't choose to be involved in what I was or
was not looking at, content-wise.  Granted you could say that in 1992
there wasn't much general awareness of the "dangers" of being online,
but my dad was savvy enough to know what was up..he just didn't feel
the need to make an issue of it, because he felt I had the common
sense to make appropriate choices.

But who knows, for some other parents, sure maybe they want to filter
that out.  But the point is, the onus is on the consumer (parent) not
on the content provider.  As the saying goes, if you don't like it,
don't watch it.

-m

On 12/2/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley
>
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > OK well now this is my pet peeve.  I want everyone to shut the fuck
>  up about
>  > kids.  It is not the mission of the world to protect all children from
>  > anything that might be dangerous at any time in any place.  Now the
>  whole
>  > subject of what is or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of
>  > worms that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the point.
>  >
>  > The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my
>  life in
>  > general) in the event that some child might happen upon it.  There's
>  this
>  > concept called parental responsibility.  It's a doctrine which puts
>  forth
>  > the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an
>  active
>  > exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to
>  18 years.
>  >
>  > If you are so concerned about what material of an objectionable
>  nature your
>  > kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those things.
>  Sort of
>  > like how you might not let them wander around the red light district of
>  > Amsterdam on their own at 4 AM.  Same concept.  The correct solution
>  here is
>  > for parents to step up and make rules and set limits, not to have some
>  > arbitrarily large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits
>  the rights
>  > of all adults everywhere.
>  >
>  > I will not be subjugated by the delicate and impressionable nature
>  of 4 year
>  > olds.  That's a non-starter for me.
>  >
>  > -m
>  >
>
>  So people under the age of eighteen should be kept by adults from
>  sites like mefeedia?
>
>-- Enric
>
>
>
>  > On 12/2/05, Bill Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related
>  to kids
>  > > encountering this stuff.
>  > > I like to use this illustration in that regard.
>  > >
>  > > http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg
>  > >
>  > > People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then
>  > > support "who the &@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > cares if we see a dick" type of attitude.
>  > >
>  > > Ironic.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't
>  see porn?
>  > > Some of you
>  > > make
>  > > > mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that
>  > > sentence means?
>  > > Don't
>  > > > we have enough policing?
>  > > >
>  > > > What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina?
>  > > NOTHING. THese are
>  > > > distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of
>  what is
>  > > decent and what
>  > > is
>  > > > not is to be part of the problem.
>  > > >
>  > > > Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be
>  underwater.
>  > > Our world is at
>  > > > war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.
>  Who the
>  > > fuck cares if
>  > > you
>  > > > see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories
>  such as
>  > > itunes which will
>  > > > remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com
>  from
>  > > their directory
>  > > > with no explanation.
>  > > >
>  > > > No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to
>  > > Rocketboom and
>  > > watch
>  > > > nothing else.
>  > > >
>  > > > If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter
>  entirely.
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[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jay dedman wrote:
> >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
friendly" stuff.
> >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
to decide how best to approach that.
> >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > great idea. very proactive.
> > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.
> > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > but i think the feed died out.
> > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > itll come as content grows.
> > 
> > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> 
> Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about 
> kids.mefeedia.com? :)
> 
> It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory 
> and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff 
> comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before
the 
> reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog 
> in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> 
> Pete
> 
> -- 
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>

I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
interest parents mostly.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Pete Prodoehl]

Jay dedman wrote:
>>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
>>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid friendly" 
>>stuff.
>>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult content 
>>within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
>>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which 
>>could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best 
>>to approach that.
>>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF 
>>they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for 
>>children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most 
>>of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
> 
> 
> great idea. very proactive.
> eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.
> http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> but i think the feed died out.
> see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> itll come as content grows.
> 
> im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> everything will exist. we can simply chose where.

Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about 
kids.mefeedia.com? :)

It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory 
and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff 
comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the 
reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog 
in the corporate machine that is today's society.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

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hmm.. and its sorta like a video rental store in that way ;)On 12/2/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go.  be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success.
if its easy to find the content geared for children, then the chances of them browsing the directory and seeing adult content is greatly reduced, generally speaking.  
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>Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?> Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid friendly" stuff.> And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that.> My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
great idea. very proactive.eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.
http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
but i think the feed died out.see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.itll come as content grows.im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

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thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go.  be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success.if its easy to find the content geared for children, then the chances of them browsing the directory and seeing adult content is greatly reduced, generally speaking.  
sullOn 12/2/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?> Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid friendly" stuff.> And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that.> My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)
great idea. very proactive.eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
but i think the feed died out.see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.itll come as content grows.im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Jay dedman]

>Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid friendly" 
> stuff.
> And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult content 
> within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which 
> could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best 
> to approach that.
> My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF 
> they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for 
> children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most 
> of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-)

great idea. very proactive.
eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.
http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
but i think the feed died out.
see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
itll come as content grows.

im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
everything will exist. we can simply chose where.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Michael Ridley]

Well I certainly agree that people should be allowed to put whatever content they so choose on their web site, filtered or not.  My issue is with this spreading conventional wisdom that seems to state that we all have some inherent, deep, and fundamental responsiblity to sanitize what we can and firewall what we can't in abject terror of the remote possibility that some small child might stumble upon it.
Certainly if some private directory or archive chooses not to include pornographic material (or any other kind) that is their perogative.  But this sense that if one chooses not to do so they are in some way morally inferior is itself repugnant to me.
And again the question of whether or not it's wise to conduct said parental filtering of the world for children is a whole other topic of discussion.  And a can of worms probably best unopened.  While I would agree that showing a 4-year-old Full Metal Jacket is on the gratuitous side, I think you equally do a disservice to one's (older) children by trying to shield them too much.  After all, this world is a horrible, mean, petty, shallow, and opportunistic place that will chew you up, shred you, and spit you back out again for round two if you let down your guard.  It's all well and good that we try to create a haven in our home that's as sheltered from that cruel reality as we can.  But raising a kid in a cocoon and then thrusting them out, helpless and unprepared, to be bled dry by the world once they graduate from school doesn't seem like such a wise choice.
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I agree with you on that. I have never tried to "protect" my daughter,
beyond giving her what words of wisdom I could from a very early age.
We had a discussion about this in this group back in March, and I wrote
about my attitude/solutions back then:


However, there are those who do feel responsible for what is seen on
their site (not least because they could face legal liabilities),
that's their choice as much as it's yours to do nothing to filter.

On 12/2/05, Michael Ridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site
(or my life in general) in the event that some child might happen upon
it.  There's this concept called parental responsibility. 
It's a doctrine which puts forth the concept that if you are going to
have children, then that's an active exercise which requires full
participation for approximately 16 to 18 years.
-- best regards,Deirdré Straughan
www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work)





  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Bill Day]

yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids 
encountering this stuff. 
I like to use this illustration in that regard. 

http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg

People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support 
"who the &@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
cares if we see a dick" type of attitude. 

Ironic. 


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some 
> of you 
make 
> mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence 
> means? 
Don't 
> we have enough policing?
> 
> What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. 
> THese are 
> distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is 
> decent and what 
is 
> not is to be part of the problem. 
> 
> Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our 
> world is at 
> war based on complete deception and implemented by torture.   Who the fuck 
> cares if 
you 
> see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes 
> which will 
> remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their 
> directory 
> with no explanation. 
> 
> No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom 
> and 
watch 
> nothing else.
> 
> If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely. 
> 
> Richard Bluestein
> podshow.com
>






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