RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Sandy Finley]

Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the "start
scanning" button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady
and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally
blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure
isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have
had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate
the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising
the camera.

 

Sandy

 

 

 

 

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How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your
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RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Amy Billman]

I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.
I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but
can with Text Detective.
I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,)
what works for one isn't always going to work for another.
Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and
didn't like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for
someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your
money isn't going to waste. *smile*
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
 
Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the "start
scanning" button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady
and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally
blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure
isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have
had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate
the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising
the camera.
 
Sandy
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
 
How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may
be what you have been waiting for.
 <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615>
The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Scott Rumery]

Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with you 
about the tapping to start the scan issue.  I think that is important to 
remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good 
idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our 
comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is.  I for 
one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble 
recommending it to others.  I really do appreciate your comments and if you 
didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so?  This is how we will 
be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog posts.

If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I 
can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. 
together.

Scott E. Rumery

Assistive Technology Consultant
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On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

> Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
> scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady 
> and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally 
> blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure 
> isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have 
> had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate 
> the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising 
> the camera.
>  
> Sandy
>  
>  
>  
>  
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> OfVaShaun Jones
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>  
> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
> IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may 
> be what you have been waiting for.
> 
> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Scott Rumery]

Hi Amy, 

This is why I wish that more developers would have a demo version of their apps 
available from their website.  Of course then we would all have to go to their 
websites, but I that this would be what all of the developers would want.

Scott E. Rumery

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On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Amy Billman wrote:

> I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.
> I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can 
> with Text Detective.
> I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
> what works for one isn’t always going to work for another.
> Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t 
> like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, 
> that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t 
> going to waste. *smile*
> Amy Billman
> Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs!
> SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector
> http://www.SpeedDots.com
> Follow us on Twitter:
> http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots
> Like us on Facebook:
> http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sandy Finley
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>  
> Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
> scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady 
> and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally 
> blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure 
> isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have 
> had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate 
> the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising 
> the camera.
>  
> Sandy
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> OfVaShaun Jones
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>  
> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
> IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may 
> be what you have been waiting for.
> 
> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
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RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Sandy Finley]

Scott, thank you for responding.  I will not delete the app in hopes of
future adjustments. It seems as if no scanning app on a mobile phone works
as well as larger scanners guess that's to be expected. I will go write
something on your blog later. Have a good day!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

 

Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with
you about the tapping to start the scan issue.  I think that is important to
remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good
idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our
comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is.  I
for one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble
recommending it to others.  I really do appreciate your comments and if you
didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so?  This is how we
will be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our
blog posts.

 

If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I
can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post.
together.

 

Scott E. Rumery

 

Assistive Technology Consultant

Fedora Outlier LLC

http://www.fedoraoutler.com

Twiter: fedora_outlier

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc

On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:





Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the "start
scanning" button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady
and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally
blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure
isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have
had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate
the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising
the camera.

 

Sandy

 

 

 

 

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OfVaShaun Jones
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

 

How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may
be what you have been waiting for.

 <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615>
The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article

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RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[blind Treasures]

I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no
success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was
able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at the
right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app and
I hope they keep improving it. 
Blind Treasures 
Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com
Skype: kingmeade
Web Page:  <http://www.blindtreasures.com> http://www.blindtreasures.com

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Amy Billman
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps


I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.
I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but
can with Text Detective.
I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,)
what works for one isn't always going to work for another.
Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and
didn't like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for
someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your
money isn't going to waste. *smile*
Amy Billman
Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs!
SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector
http://www.SpeedDots.com
Follow us on Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots
Like us on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
 
Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the "start
scanning" button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady
and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally
blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure
isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have
had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate
the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising
the camera.
 
Sandy
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
 
How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may
be what you have been waiting for.
 <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615>
The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Chuck Dean]

I have had no success with this app.
I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to 
scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have 
tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.

out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
It worked about 90% of the time.
Any ideas?
Chuck




On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>
> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
> IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may 
> be what you have been waiting for.
>
> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full 
> Article
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Scott Howell]

I think it would make sense to recommend that the developer consider allowing 
you to leave the phone flat on the paper and once the button is tapped, have 
you lift until the page is in view for the camera. In other words combine the 
functionality of SayText and Text Detective. Seems a marriage of both apps 
would produce a pretty interesting result.

On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, blind Treasures  wrote:

> I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no 
> success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was 
> able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at the 
> right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app and I 
> hope they keep improving it.
> Blind Treasures
> Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com
> Skype: kingmeade
> Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Amy Billman
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> 
> I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.
> I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can 
> with Text Detective.
> I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
> what works for one isn’t always going to work for another.
> Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t 
> like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, 
> that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t 
> going to waste. *smile*
> Amy Billman
> Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs!
> SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector
> http://www.SpeedDots.com
> Follow us on Twitter:
> http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots
> Like us on Facebook:
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sandy Finley
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>  
> Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
> scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady 
> and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally 
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> the camera.
>  
> Sandy
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>  
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> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Scott Howell]

Does Text Detective leverage the flash on the iPHone?

On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
> 
> How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would 
> recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan 
> with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. 
>  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.
> 
> 
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> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
> 
>> I have had no success with this app.
>> I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to 
>> scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have 
>> tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
>> I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
>> 
>> out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
>> It worked about 90% of the time.
>> Any ideas?
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
>> IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may 
>> be what you have been waiting for.
>> 
>> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
>> 
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RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Jon Pierson]

Hi,
Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text
Detective won't find this thread.

Jon
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

Hi Chuck,

How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would
recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan
with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your
document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.


Scott E. Rumery

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On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:


I have had no success with this app.
I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have
tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book.
I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.

out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
It worked about 90% of the time.
Any ideas?
Chuck




On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:

How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR
solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS
AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.

The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Jenifer Gilley]

The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page!  
Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me!
Jenifer Gilley
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  From: Amy Billman 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps


  I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.

  I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can 
with Text Detective.

  I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
what works for one isn't always going to work for another.

  Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn't 
like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, 
that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn't going 
to waste. *smile*

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Sandy Finley
  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the "start 
scanning" button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady and 
straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It 
may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn't working 
for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have had has been with 
either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate the camera shutter, or 
SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera.

   

  Sandy

   

   

   

   

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  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be 
what you have been waiting for.

  The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article

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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Rose Waagan]

While I agree that having an automatic shoot option is a great idea, not having 
one has not hindered me from using this app. I have gotten pretty good results 
with it. I have used both SayText and Prizmo and had trouble with each of them. 
SayText gave me no good results. Prizmo, while sometimes giving me good 
results, took way too long just to get the results. So I found that the app was 
not worth using. I find that TextDetective works best with single pages that 
are lying completely flat. It also works well with bigger books. I found 
paperbacks hard to hold open, And I never got legible results with them. The 
app also states that magazines do not work well with it either. I found that to 
be true unless the magazine was all text. I did have a magazine that I knew was 
all text, and that worked very well. I know that this app will not work well 
for everyone, but these are just my experiences.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> That is a very good suggestion.  Did you submit this suggestion to the 
> developer?
> 
> Scott E. Rumery
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> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> I think it would make sense to recommend that the developer consider 
>> allowing you to leave the phone flat on the paper and once the button is 
>> tapped, have you lift until the page is in view for the camera. In other 
>> words combine the functionality of SayText and Text Detective. Seems a 
>> marriage of both apps would produce a pretty interesting result.
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, blind Treasures  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no 
>>> success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was 
>>> able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at 
>>> the right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app 
>>> and I hope they keep improving it.
>>> Blind Treasures
>>> Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com
>>> Skype: kingmeade
>>> Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com
>>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Amy Billman
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>>> 
>>> I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.
>>> I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but 
>>> can with Text Detective.
>>> I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
>>> what works for one isn’t always going to work for another.
>>> Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and 
>>> didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for 
>>> someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your 
>>> money isn’t going to waste. *smile*
>>> Amy Billman
>>> Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs!
>>> SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector
>>> http://www.SpeedDots.com
>>> Follow us on Twitter:
>>> http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots
>>> Like us on Facebook:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sandy Finley
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>>>  
>>> Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
>>> scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady 
>>> and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally 
>>> blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure 
>>> isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have 
>>> had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate 
>>> the camera shutter, orSayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising 
>>> the camera.
>>>  
>>> Sandy
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of VaShaun Jones
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
>>> To: viph

Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Scott Rumery]

That is because the original message in this thread was the title of the blog 
post.
On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jon Pierson wrote:

> Hi,
> Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text
> Detective won't find this thread.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would
> recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan
> with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your
> document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.
> 
> 
> Scott E. Rumery
> 
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Fedora Outlier LLC
> http://www.fedoraoutler.com
> Twiter: fedora_outlier
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> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
> 
> 
>   I have had no success with this app.
>   I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have
> tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book.
> I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
>   I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
>   
>   out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
>   It worked about 90% of the time.
>   Any ideas?
>   Chuck
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>   How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR
> solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS
> AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.
> 
>   The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
> <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615> 
> 
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Roger Frischenmeyer]

Hi Chuck, Can you tell me what if any settings you have changed with Text 
Grabber? I get a good scan but don't always get the full page even if I change 
the hight at which I hold the phone. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Dean 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:54 PM
  Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps


   I finally got some success with this app.
  I printed a story and then scanned it with this app. The first thing I 
noticed is that the tips say to hold the iPhone about a forearm's length away 
from the page. The person who wrote that must have very short forearms. :)
   I got results when I held the phone about 12 inches away. The results were 
good, but not great. about 80% correct.
  But the main flaw I see is it only scans half of the page.

  The app also did not give me enough time to orient  the page correctly, so I 
had to do a few scans to get one that would read. I assume that this works 
better for those with no vision, as you could move the phone around until you 
got a good scan.

  I am glad to hear that this app is working well for many people,but,
   personally with the limited vision I have Text Grabber is still the best OCR 
app,
  I have it configured so only one tap of the camera button and it will give me 
a full readable page in less than a minute.

  Chuck








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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Andy Baracco]

Actually, the KNFB Reader mobile requires you to hit a button while you are 
holding the camera. it takes a real feat of coordination.

Andy

From: Sandy Finley 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Scott, thank you for responding.  I will not delete the app in hopes of future 
adjustments. It seems as if no scanning app on a mobile phone works as well as 
larger scanners guess that’s to be expected. I will go write something on your 
blog later. Have a good day!


 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Rumery
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

 

Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with you 
about the tapping to start the scan issue.  I think that is important to 
remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good 
idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our 
comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is.  I for 
one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble 
recommending it to others.  I really do appreciate your comments and if you 
didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so?  This is how we will 
be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog posts.

 

If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I 
can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. 
together.

 

Scott E. Rumery

 

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On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:





Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady and 
straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It 
may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working 
for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have had has been with 
either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or 
SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera.

 

Sandy

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfVaShaun Jones
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

 

How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS 
device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what 
you have been waiting for.

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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Andy Baracco]

I do not believe so, but it should.  This would be a good recommendation to 
make.

Andy

From: Scott Howell 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Does Text Detective leverage the flash on the iPHone? 

On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:


  Hi Chuck, 

  How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would 
recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with 
a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document.  
Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.


  Scott E. Rumery

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  On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:


I have had no success with this app.
I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to 
scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried 
different positions, scan lengths ETC.
I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.

out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
It worked about 90% of the time.
Any ideas?
Chuck




On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: 
  How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for 
your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just 
may be what you have been waiting for.

  The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article


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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Andy Baracco]

I have found this to be true of all of the apps. Even with the KNFB Reader, I 
almost never captured the whole page.

Andy

From: Jenifer Gilley 
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Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page!  
Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me!
Jenifer Gilley
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  From: Amy Billman 
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  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

  I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.

  I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can 
with Text Detective.

  I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
what works for one isn’t always going to work for another.

  Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t 
like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, 
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  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady and 
straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It 
may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working 
for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have had has been with 
either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or 
SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera.

   

  Sandy

   

   

   

   

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VaShaun Jones
  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be 
what you have been waiting for.

  The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article

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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Andy Baracco]

I think that this is because of the size of the camera lense.

Andy

From: Jenifer Gilley 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page!  
Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me!
Jenifer Gilley
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  From: Amy Billman 
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  Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM
  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

  I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting.

  I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can 
with Text Detective.

  I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) 
what works for one isn’t always going to work for another.

  Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t 
like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, 
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady and 
straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It 
may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working 
for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have had has been with 
either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or 
SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera.

   

  Sandy

   

   

   

   

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

   

  How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be 
what you have been waiting for.

  The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article

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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Krister Ekstrom]

This is interesting. I've never ever gotten any results at all from Text 
grabber. All it says is "couldn't get any text" or something to that effect. 
With PerfectOcr i get much gibberish and one or two words right. With SayText 
and docscanner i've only ever had the phone beep once and even then the results 
were mostly gibberish. The only apps i've been able to get a quite decent 
result from, (and by that i mean enough comprihencible text to know that this 
is an important mail and i have to run it through the scanner for the mac to 
get everything right"") are text detective and Prizmo.
/Krister

21 jul 2012 kl. 20:48 skrev Chuck Dean:

> I have had no success with this app.
> I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to 
> scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have 
> tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
> I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
> 
> out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
> It worked about 90% of the time.
> Any ideas?
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your 
> IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may 
> be what you have been waiting for.
> 
> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
> 
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Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

[Victor Gouveia]

The other option is to locate the button that takes the picture, turn Voiceover 
off, do what the app suggests in terms of positioning the camera, then finally, 
pressing the button the one time to take the picture.

Once the picture is taken, you can then turn Voiceover on again, and you’re ok.

I’ve done this a number of times with some other apps for OCR, and it worked 
well.

Just thought I would make that suggestion.

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Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Christopher Chaltain]

Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include "Text
Detective" so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily
find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject
line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon!
*smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle
nudge.

Also, although it's true that "Text Detective" wasn't in the subject
line, "OCR" was, so I think most people looking for information on Text
Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject
lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts
concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines!

On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote:
> Hi,
> Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text
> Detective won't find this thread.
> 
> Jon
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would
> recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan
> with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your
> document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.
> 
> 
> Scott E. Rumery
> 
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Fedora Outlier LLC
> http://www.fedoraoutler.com
> Twiter: fedora_outlier
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> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
> 
> 
>   I have had no success with this app.
>   I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have
> tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book.
> I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
>   I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
>   
>   out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
>   It worked about 90% of the time.
>   Any ideas?
>   Chuck
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>   How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR
> solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS
> AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.
> 
>   The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
> <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615> 
> 
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TextGrabber settings [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]

[Esther]

Hi Roger,

This is not Chuck, but I've used TextGrabber successfully. You could try 
turning the switch for "Enable crop" to "off" under Settings.  The other thing 
you can do is try using the Light Detector app to judge the height and position 
at which to hold your phone.  For OCR apps like Prizmo, TextGrabbber, and 
Perfect OCR, the sound will be loudest when you are at about the correct height 
and centering.  For Say Text you can start from that height and expect to lift 
your phone at least 2-3 inches higher before you get SayText to register the 
document is in position for it to automatically proceed by taking a picture.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer wrote:

> Hi Chuck, Can you tell me what if any settings you have changed with Text 
> Grabber? I get a good scan but don't always get the full page even if I 
> change the hight at which I hold the phone.
> - Original Message -
> From: Chuck Dean
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> 
>  I finally got some success with this app.
> I printed a story and then scanned it with this app. The first thing I 
> noticed is that the tips say to hold the iPhone about a forearm's length away 
> from the page. The person who wrote that must have very short forearms. :)
>  I got results when I held the phone about 12 inches away. The results were 
> good, but not great. about 80% correct.
> But the main flaw I see is it only scans half of the page.
> 
> The app also did not give me enough time to orient  the page correctly, so I 
> had to do a few scans to get one that would read. I assume that this works 
> better for those with no vision, as you could move the phone around until you 
> got a good scan.
> 
> I am glad to hear that this app is working well for many people,but,
>  personally with the limited vision I have Text Grabber is still the best OCR 
> app,
> I have it configured so only one tap of the camera button and it will give me 
> a full readable page in less than a minute.
> 
> Chuck

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TextGrabber settings [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]

[Chuck Dean]

Hi,
In text grabber settings I have my language set to  English my search engine 
set to Google and all other buttons are set to off.
I hold my iPhone about 12 inches above a page when I am scanning it. That seems 
to be the optimum distance.


Hope this helps. Chuck

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Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Anne Robertson]

Having looked at the description of this app, I see no reference to other 
languages, and yet it is in the French appstore. Does it support any other 
languages?

Cheers,

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Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Esther]

Hi Anne and Others,

No, Text Detective does not yet support languages other than English.  What 
that means for languages like French, which use a Latin alphabet, is that 
you'll get many of the words, but characters where you have an "e" with an 
acute accent will show up as the number "6", for example.

The plus side is that it is simple to use, and it gives people some better 
immediate results because it has them hold the phone in landscape mode, which 
is the way most VoiceOver users will pick up their iPhones, and is easier to 
keep documents in alignment.  However, because you're holding the phone this 
way, and the document has to be in portrait mode, you don't get the full page 
-- only a section of it.  There's no setting to turn flash on, again in the 
interests of keeping things simple.  Unlike Prizmo, TextGrabber, and Perfect 
OCR, you need to orient the page correctly to get results.  The program won't 
work if the document is upside down or rotated 90 degrees as it will for these 
other programs.

The design philosophy, I believe, is to let people get some results right away. 
 If you don't get results, you simply rotate the page and try again, and 
because it's relatively fast to navigate the controls, it's not hard to do this.

In my estimation, the actual time to OCR is not really faster than with Prizmo. 
 The complication that I believe most people find with Prizmo, apart from 
having to practice the alignment and holding things flat and in good light, is 
that there are multiple steps, even though most of this is just double-tapping 
the "Next" button in the top right corner.  And if Prizmo were to implement a 
"quick process" mode where it assumed all the defaults and that you'd make no 
changes at all (since you need vision to crop, adjust images, etc.), I bet that 
would make things a lot easier for VoiceOver users.

With Text Detective you still have to hold things flat, aligned, and in good 
light, but there are fewer steps.  It is also more tolerant of slight alignment 
errors, just as Prizmo is more tolerant of such errors than most OCR programs 
(believe it or not).

For people who are having difficulty pressing the "Start Scan" button in Text 
Detective while holding the phone flat, try putting your forefinger on the 
button while you hold the phone in landscape mode with your two hands, but keep 
your middle finger free.  Then, when you have lifted your phone to the correct 
height, use a split tap with your middle finger to press the button without 
shaking the phone.

I think Text Detective has good features, but won't give full page information 
in its current mode.  By the way, Perfect OCR supports Russian, although I 
haven't tested that out yet -- just the French.  And TextGrabber gives the full 
range of ABBYY's OCR language support, so should also support Chinese, 
Japanese, Korean, Arabic, etc. in addition to the above.

HTH.   Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Having looked at the description of this app, I see no reference to other 
> languages, and yet it is in the French appstore. Does it support any other 
> languages?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 

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Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Scott Howell]

Esther,

I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in 
landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait mode. 
I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume (and this 
probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already assumes the camera 
is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 degrees off from what may 
be considered correct orientation? In other words could people have less than 
stellar results if the phone were oriented in the portrait  mode? I don't know 
if the instructions tell you to put the phone in landscape mode, but would 
assume it does. I find this pretty interesting actually.
I do agree the simplicity of Text Detective does make it attractive, but even 
as a 1.0 app I would have thought maybe the dev would have accounted for some 
features such as using the flash or auto flash and orientation of the document. 
I will be watching this app closely to see what comes next. Interestingly, this 
app was mentioned in a message that went out to the Section 508 working group 
in the agency where I work. The Section 508 working group is an interesting 
name since the objective of the group is to deal with accessibility of all IT 
and other technologies used in the workplace, although we tend to stray into 
other areas. :)
Thanks for sharing the information.

Scott

On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Anne and Others,
> 
> No, Text Detective does not yet support languages other than English.  What 
> that means for languages like French, which use a Latin alphabet, is that 
> you'll get many of the words, but characters where you have an "e" with an 
> acute accent will show up as the number "6", for example.
> 
> The plus side is that it is simple to use, and it gives people some better 
> immediate results because it has them hold the phone in landscape mode, which 
> is the way most VoiceOver users will pick up their iPhones, and is easier to 
> keep documents in alignment.  However, because you're holding the phone this 
> way, and the document has to be in portrait mode, you don't get the full page 
> -- only a section of it.  There's no setting to turn flash on, again in the 
> interests of keeping things simple.  Unlike Prizmo, TextGrabber, and Perfect 
> OCR, you need to orient the page correctly to get results.  The program won't 
> work if the document is upside down or rotated 90 degrees as it will for 
> these other programs.
> 
> The design philosophy, I believe, is to let people get some results right 
> away.  If you don't get results, you simply rotate the page and try again, 
> and because it's relatively fast to navigate the controls, it's not hard to 
> do this.
> 
> In my estimation, the actual time to OCR is not really faster than with 
> Prizmo.  The complication that I believe most people find with Prizmo, apart 
> from having to practice the alignment and holding things flat and in good 
> light, is that there are multiple steps, even though most of this is just 
> double-tapping the "Next" button in the top right corner.  And if Prizmo were 
> to implement a "quick process" mode where it assumed all the defaults and 
> that you'd make no changes at all (since you need vision to crop, adjust 
> images, etc.), I bet that would make things a lot easier for VoiceOver users.
> 
> With Text Detective you still have to hold things flat, aligned, and in good 
> light, but there are fewer steps.  It is also more tolerant of slight 
> alignment errors, just as Prizmo is more tolerant of such errors than most 
> OCR programs (believe it or not).
> 
> For people who are having difficulty pressing the "Start Scan" button in Text 
> Detective while holding the phone flat, try putting your forefinger on the 
> button while you hold the phone in landscape mode with your two hands, but 
> keep your middle finger free.  Then, when you have lifted your phone to the 
> correct height, use a split tap with your middle finger to press the button 
> without shaking the phone.
> 
> I think Text Detective has good features, but won't give full page 
> information in its current mode.  By the way, Perfect OCR supports Russian, 
> although I haven't tested that out yet -- just the French.  And TextGrabber 
> gives the full range of ABBYY's OCR language support, so should also support 
> Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Arabic, etc. in addition to the above.
> 
> HTH.   Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Having looked at the description of this app, I see no reference to other 
>> languages, and yet it is in the French appstore. Does it support any other 
>> languages?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Esther]

Hi Scott,

I stated that comment about picking up the phone in landscape mode badly.  I 
meant to say that most VoiceOver users who use OCR apps, and lift their iPhones 
above the page, find it easier to lift it and keep it flat and stable, if they 
hold their phone with their hands along the long dimension (i.e. "landscape" 
mode).  I do pick up and hold my iPhone in portrait orientation, and I can lift 
it and keep it fairly flat now, even with just one hand, in portrait 
orientation, and get pretty good results with OCR apps. (This is the result of 
muscle memory kicking in after training).  However, if I were to teach someone, 
in person, how to use an OCR app, I might well have them rotate everything so 
that the document and phone are horizontally oriented, and so they can pick up 
the iPhone more stably in landscape mode.

For the extreme example, think about picking up a ruler, and being told to hold 
it flat in the air.  It is extremely difficult to hold the ends of the short 
dimension and keep the ruler from twisting.  Or think about carrying a long, 
thin, package.  You'll always hold the rectangle by the long ends if you're 
carrying a stack of boxes and trying to balance them.

The instructions for TextDetective do tell you to hold the phone in landscape 
mode:

How to scan and read text

1. Select the “Scan” tab.
2. Place the phone in landscape and the home button
aligned with the right or left edge of the document.
3. Recommendation: when pointing the phone at text,
try to keep the phone straight and parallel to the text
object.
4. Lift the phone away from the document-about a
forearm’s length. Don't tilt or rotate, keep the phone 
straight.
5. Hit the “Start Scan” button and wait for the
“evaluating” prompt.
6. Phone will vibrate for found detections.
7. Once OCR is complete, a text field with all the
detected text will be shown. VoiceOver will speak all
the results.
8. To read the individual results one by one, tap the
"individual detections" button. In VoiceOver mode,
use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate
use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate
through results (single finger swipe in non VoiceOver
mode).
9. Hit Done-Back button to rescan.
10. Note: Text may be at the top of the document. If
results aren't satisfactory, try placing the phone
nearer the top part of the page, while still aligning the
home button with the left or right edge of the
document. Then lift the phone and scan again.


This combination of holding the iPhone in landscape mode while the document 
page has to be in portrait mode almost guarantees that you won't be able to get 
the entire text read at once unless you're reading a section of a page where 
there is only text in the central third, or so of the page.  Or this will work 
for reading letter envelopes.

There's another thing about holding the phone in landscape mode -- you can use 
the edges of the portrait page to check your alignment, because they're not so 
far from the edge of the phone.

I think the fact that the developer of TextDetective was able to get National 
Institutes of Health grant funding to support some of the work in the app (see 
the app description page), and also bring down the cost of the initial app so 
that more people could try it and get started, was also a deliberate decision.  
 
I'd be really curious to hear the impressions from people who train others (and 
who have mastered using OCR apps themselves), about what the most effective 
teaching methods to use are.  

Just my thoughts. YMMV.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Esther,
> 
> I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in 
> landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait 
> mode. I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume (and 
> this probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already assumes the 
> camera is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 degrees off from 
> what may be considered correct orientation? In other words could people have 
> less than stellar results if the phone were oriented in the portrait  mode? I 
> don't know if the instructions tell you to put the phone in landscape mode, 
> but would assume it does. I find this pretty interesting actually.
> I do agree the simplicity of Text Detective does make it attractive, but even 
> as a 1.0 app I would have thought maybe the dev would have accounted for some 
> features such as using the flash or auto flash and orientation of the 
> document. I will be watching this app closely to see what comes next. 
> Interestingly, this app was mentioned in a message that went out to the 
> Section 508 working group in the agency where I work. The Section 508 working 
> group is an interesting name since the objective of the group is to deal with 
> accessibility of all IT and other technologies used in the workplace, 
> although we tend to stray into othe

Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Andy Baracco]

Well, Sherlock Holmes is a detective, so not difficult to deduce.
Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include "Text
Detective" so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily
find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject
line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon!
*smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle
nudge.

Also, although it's true that "Text Detective" wasn't in the subject
line, "OCR" was, so I think most people looking for information on Text
Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject
lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts
concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines!

On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote:

Hi,
Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text
Detective won't find this thread.

Jon


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps

Hi Chuck,

How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I would
recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan
with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your
document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan.


Scott E. Rumery

Assistive Technology Consultant
Fedora Outlier LLC
http://www.fedoraoutler.com
Twiter: fedora_outlier
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc
On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:


I have had no success with this app.
I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have
tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a 
book.

I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.

out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
It worked about 90% of the time.
Any ideas?
Chuck




On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:

How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR
solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple 
IOS

AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.

The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article
<http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615>


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RE: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Jon Pierson]

Hi,
I didn't change it because I wasn't actually adding to the info about the
app, just noting the problem people could have finding info.
I believe though that the current subject line gives better direction to
future browsers of the list archive than does OCR.

Jon
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include "Text
Detective" so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find
it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line,
but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon!
*smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle
nudge.

Also, although it's true that "Text Detective" wasn't in the subject line,
"OCR" was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective
would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a
good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps,
and I definitely appreciate good subject lines!

On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote:
> Hi,
> Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text 
> Detective won't find this thread.
> 
> Jon
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I 
> would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you 
> get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer 
> to your document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful
scan.
> 
> 
> Scott E. Rumery
> 
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Fedora Outlier LLC
> http://www.fedoraoutler.com
> Twiter: fedora_outlier
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
> 
> 
>   I have had no success with this app.
>   I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have
tried 
> to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book.
> I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
>   I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
>   
>   out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
>   It worked about 90% of the time.
>   Any ideas?
>   Chuck
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>   How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR
solution 
> for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS 
> AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.
> 
>   The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article 
> <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-
> 615>
> 
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RE: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Jon Pierson]

Sure it's something a good amateur detective could figure out, my thought
was for posterity and of easily searching the wealth of info that folks
contribute for later perusal by new folks.

Jon
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

Well, Sherlock Holmes is a detective, so not difficult to deduce.
Andy


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include "Text
Detective" so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find
it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line,
but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon!
*smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle
nudge.

Also, although it's true that "Text Detective" wasn't in the subject line,
"OCR" was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective
would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a
good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps,
and I definitely appreciate good subject lines!

On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote:
> Hi,
> Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text 
> Detective won't find this thread.
>
> Jon
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone?  I 
> would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you 
> get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer 
> to your document.  Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful
scan.
>
>
> Scott E. Rumery
>
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Fedora Outlier LLC
> http://www.fedoraoutler.com
> Twiter: fedora_outlier
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>
>
> I have had no success with this app.
> I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried 
> to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book.
> I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC.
> I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong.
>
> out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material.
> It worked about 90% of the time.
> Any ideas?
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>
> How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for 
> your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS 
> AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for.
>
> The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article 
> <http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-
> 615>
>
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Re: Text Detective [was "Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps"]

[Scott Howell]

Hi Esther,

THank you for sharing all of this because I had not really given much thought 
to how best to hold the phone. I have always used portrait, but in considering 
what you have stated, I can see how landscape would make more sense. In fact it 
makes sense if for no other reason than better stability. I am definitely going 
to try try landscape mode with the OCR apps I have and see how that works. I 
hope this discussion will help others try other techniques as well which may 
improve their results as well.
THanks Esther I always learn something new from your contributions.

Scott

On Jul 21, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I stated that comment about picking up the phone in landscape mode badly.  I 
> meant to say that most VoiceOver users who use OCR apps, and lift their 
> iPhones above the page, find it easier to lift it and keep it flat and 
> stable, if they hold their phone with their hands along the long dimension 
> (i.e. "landscape" mode).  I do pick up and hold my iPhone in portrait 
> orientation, and I can lift it and keep it fairly flat now, even with just 
> one hand, in portrait orientation, and get pretty good results with OCR apps. 
> (This is the result of muscle memory kicking in after training).  However, if 
> I were to teach someone, in person, how to use an OCR app, I might well have 
> them rotate everything so that the document and phone are horizontally 
> oriented, and so they can pick up the iPhone more stably in landscape mode.
> 
> For the extreme example, think about picking up a ruler, and being told to 
> hold it flat in the air.  It is extremely difficult to hold the ends of the 
> short dimension and keep the ruler from twisting.  Or think about carrying a 
> long, thin, package.  You'll always hold the rectangle by the long ends if 
> you're carrying a stack of boxes and trying to balance them.
> 
> The instructions for TextDetective do tell you to hold the phone in landscape 
> mode:
> 
> How to scan and read text
> 
> 1. Select the “Scan” tab.
> 2. Place the phone in landscape and the home button
> aligned with the right or left edge of the document.
> 3. Recommendation: when pointing the phone at text,
> try to keep the phone straight and parallel to the text
> object.
> 4. Lift the phone away from the document-about a
> forearm’s length. Don't tilt or rotate, keep the phone 
> straight.
> 5. Hit the “Start Scan” button and wait for the
> “evaluating” prompt.
> 6. Phone will vibrate for found detections.
> 7. Once OCR is complete, a text field with all the
> detected text will be shown. VoiceOver will speak all
> the results.
> 8. To read the individual results one by one, tap the
> "individual detections" button. In VoiceOver mode,
> use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate
> use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate
> through results (single finger swipe in non VoiceOver
> mode).
> 9. Hit Done-Back button to rescan.
> 10. Note: Text may be at the top of the document. If
> results aren't satisfactory, try placing the phone
> nearer the top part of the page, while still aligning the
> home button with the left or right edge of the
> document. Then lift the phone and scan again.
> 
> 
> This combination of holding the iPhone in landscape mode while the document 
> page has to be in portrait mode almost guarantees that you won't be able to 
> get the entire text read at once unless you're reading a section of a page 
> where there is only text in the central third, or so of the page.  Or this 
> will work for reading letter envelopes.
> 
> There's another thing about holding the phone in landscape mode -- you can 
> use the edges of the portrait page to check your alignment, because they're 
> not so far from the edge of the phone.
> 
> I think the fact that the developer of TextDetective was able to get National 
> Institutes of Health grant funding to support some of the work in the app 
> (see the app description page), and also bring down the cost of the initial 
> app so that more people could try it and get started, was also a deliberate 
> decision.  
>  
> I'd be really curious to hear the impressions from people who train others 
> (and who have mastered using OCR apps themselves), about what the most 
> effective teaching methods to use are.  
> 
> Just my thoughts. YMMV.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Esther,
>> 
>> I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in 
>> landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait 
>> mode. I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume 
>> (and this probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already 
>> assumes the camera is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 
>> degrees off from what may be considered correct orientation? In other words 
>> could people have less than stellar results if the phone were oriented in 
>> the portrai

Try Using a Split Tap to activate Text Detective's "Start Scan" button [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]

[Esther]

Hi Sandy and Others,

I wrote this comment in another post discussing the Text Detective app, but 
I'll make the suggestion here.  One way to minimize the problems with trying to 
hold the iPhone steady, lift it, and still hit the button to activate the 
camera for OCR is to place your forefinger on the "Start Scan" button when you 
hold your camera. I have my thumbs around the bottom edge of the iPhone (held 
in landscape mode), my right forefinger resting on the screen and on "Start 
Scan" button, and pointing parallel to the bottom edge of the iPhone, generally 
in the direction of the "Home" button, which is to the left in this case, and 
the other fingers of my hand around the top edge of the iPhone, and supporting 
it.  Basically, my thumb and ring finger or middle finger of each hand is 
circling the right and left side edges of the iPhone and supporting it in 
landscape mode, and I can rest my forefinger on the screen. If you swipe your 
forefinger up and down, windshield wiper fashion, it will touch the three 
sections where VoiceOver announces "Text Detective", then the "Tap the `Start 
Scan' button…" instructions, and the "Start Scan" button.  I leave it resting 
on the "Start Scan" button as I lift the iPhone.  Then I can split tap on the 
screen with the forefinger of my left hand to activate the button.

Because the phone is support by hands, the light tap on the screen to activate 
the button doesn't jostle the iPhone.  Practice holding the iPhone in landscape 
mode with your hands in a comfortable position to do the split tap without 
having to do the lift.  Then, when you're comfortable with this (or as 
comfortable as you can manage to be with your hands in this position *grin*), 
go ahead and try lifting and tapping.

I sympathize with your point about having to do umpteen different things at 
once and keep the device flat and steady while tapping the button.  And I do 
like the feature of Prizmo  where you can use your voice to activate the 
picture taking.  But please don't give up on these apps.  Eventually, we'll 
find some combination of features that will work for us.

Best wishes,

Esther


On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Actually, the KNFB Reader mobile requires you to hit a button while you are 
> holding the camera. it takes a real feat of coordination.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Sandy Finley
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
> Scott, thank you for responding.  I will not delete the app in hopes of 
> future adjustments. It seems as if no scanning app on a mobile phone works as 
> well as larger scanners guess that’s to be expected. I will go write 
> something on your blog later. Have a good day!
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Scott Rumery
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
>  
> Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with 
> you about the tapping to start the scan issue.  I think that is important to 
> remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good 
> idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our 
> comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is.  I 
> for one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble 
> recommending it to others.  I really do appreciate your comments and if you 
> didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so?  This is how we 
> will be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog 
> posts.
>  
> If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I 
> can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. 
> together.
>  
> Scott E. Rumery
>  
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Fedora Outlier LLC
> http://www.fedoraoutler.com
> Twiter: fedora_outlier
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> 
> 
> Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start 
> scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to  hold the camera steady 
> and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally 
> blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure 
> isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it.  What scanning success I have 
> had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate 
> the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising 
> the camera.
>  
> Sandy
>  
>