Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
The cigarette box sized reactor core is the one used in the home ECAT that produces 10 kW at around 80C. This is my understanding from what Rossi has stated. The new high temperature E-Cat reactor core is said to be even smaller, but has more shielding. From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM Jed said: He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1 MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have ever encountered. Axil said: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be impressed with his business and technical acumen. In his previous ventures he showed a lot of business and technical acumen. Not much lately. He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1 MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have ever encountered. I do credit him with taking a world-changing concept and moving it forward in his own unique way... Yup. I wish he would use more conventional methods. The one thing I have learned is that you should not underestimate him. It is easy to make fun of him or dismiss some of his outlandish claims, such as the one about making monoisotopic Ni cheaply. His statements are often contradictory so they cannot all be true. It is all too easy to dismiss him as a nut or a con-man. As with Steve Jobs you have to low-pass filter his input. Sometimes people such as Jobs say all kinds of crazy, deluded or manipulative things. Sift through this, filter out the garbage, and you may find great ideas worth billions of dollars. Say what you like about Jobs, he was one of the most brilliant businessmen in U.S. history. He had a wonderful feel for design. He was like Charles Freer; not a great artist himself but one who recognized and collected great art with an unfailing eye. When dealing with people it is essential you learn to forgive their faults and embrace their contributions. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Rossi stated on his blog that he has used radio frequency generators all along, but that in the past they were internal. In one of his early tests I heard there was a box that had tesla coil written on it. From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM And yet Brillouin Energy‘s President and Chief Technical Officer Robert E. Godes has selflessly posted critical help on Rossi's web site that has enabled Rossi to develop his latest reaction approach; and Rossi was grateful for it. The same is true for the advice he got from NI and his first government based customer. Since you know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. You need $1.5 million. That is an absurd sum of money, and the 1 MW reactor is an absurd machine. A single unit from it would suffice. If I had $1.5 million I could probably try to replicate Rossi from scratch, the way Defkalion now claims they did. I might not get the same high performance Rossi has, but it would probably be high enough to attract enough real money to finish the job. Several groups are trying to do that, with mixed results. Whatever it costs to replicate independently, it would be better than trying to deal with Rossi directly. He is a great inventor in many ways, but as a businessman he is impossible to deal with. He is a control freak. The way he treated the people from NASA was outrageous. It was unspeakable! They talked about it at WM. Rossi might have gotten millions of dollars in funding practically overnight. Instead, he threw them out and he thew away the opportunity in a momentary fit of pique. Just because he could not bring himself to admit the outlet pipe was plugged up with crud. This is idiotic, self-defeating egomania. It is very sad. Heck, the way he treated me was outrageous. He and Krivit deserve one another, like two scorpions in a bottle. Rossi is personally nice. He is a lot more honest and forthright than you might think based on his blog postings. He blabs and blusters a lot, but his core claims are all correct as far as I know. Most have been been independently verified by his collaborators, who are a long-suffering group of stalwart people. They have done much for him and in return he has often given them a sharp kick in the . . . genitals. (I want to maintain the proper academic decorum.) Rossi deserves a huge amount of credit for pushing this field along, using techniques pioneered by himself, Arata and Piantelli. He deserves billions of dollars -- if that's what he wants. But his temper and periodic fits of pique make him impossible to do business with. (A fit of pique is an old expression meaning acting badly because your pride is hurt.) Rossi is his own worst enemy. He suffers from the inventor's disease that has defeated so many others in cold fusion and in other fields throughout history. People try to help him but he blows them away, and mistrusts them, because he has had so many bad experiences in the post. Most of his bad experiences in the last few years have been entirely his own fault. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Why doesn't the NASA folks post this report? It would be great for it to be posted so they could share their side, and Rossi could share his side. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. You need $1.5 million. That is an absurd sum of money, and the 1 MW reactor is an absurd machine. A single unit from it would suffice. If I had $1.5 million I could probably try to replicate Rossi from scratch, the way Defkalion now claims they did. I might not get the same high performance Rossi has, but it would probably be high enough to attract enough real money to finish the job. Several groups are trying to do that, with mixed results. Whatever it costs to replicate independently, it would be better than trying to deal with Rossi directly. He is a great inventor in many ways, but as a businessman he is impossible to deal with. He is a control freak. The way he treated the people from NASA was outrageous. It was unspeakable! They talked about it at WM. Rossi might have gotten millions of dollars in funding practically overnight. Instead, he threw them out and he thew away the opportunity in a momentary fit of pique. Just because he could not bring himself to admit the outlet pipe was plugged up with crud. This is idiotic, self-defeating egomania. It is very sad. Heck, the way he treated me was outrageous. He and Krivit deserve one another, like two scorpions in a bottle. Rossi is personally nice. He is a lot more honest and forthright than you might think based on his blog postings. He blabs and blusters a lot, but his core claims are all correct as far as I know. Most have been been independently verified by his collaborators, who are a long-suffering group of stalwart people. They have done much for him and in return he has often given them a sharp kick in the . . . genitals. (I want to maintain the proper academic decorum.) Rossi deserves a huge amount of credit for pushing this field along, using techniques pioneered by himself, Arata and Piantelli. He deserves billions of dollars -- if that's what he wants. But his temper and periodic fits of pique make him impossible to do business with. (A fit of pique is an old expression meaning acting badly because your pride is hurt.) Rossi is his own worst enemy. He suffers from the inventor's disease that has defeated so many others in cold fusion and in other fields throughout history. People try to help him but he blows them away, and mistrusts them, because he has had so many bad experiences in the post. Most of his bad experiences in the last few years have been entirely his own fault. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. I do not think so. I have heard Rossi is the one who wanted to make such a large reactor. But who knows. Rumors swirl around Rossi and the facts seldom come to light. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I guess those previous successes were pre-petroldragan and those thermo electric generators from Leonardo since I would not consider those wildly successful ventures. No, those were failed ventures. He succeeded with bio-fuel powered Diesel engines. Most successful entrepreneurs such as Rossi or Jobs fail more often than they succeed. Jobs went through a whole batch of bad ideas such as the Lisa computer and the NeXT computer. Edison also spent years of his life and much of his money on failed ventures such as magnetic ore separation. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. I do not think so. I have heard Rossi is the one who wanted to make such a large reactor. But who knows. Rumors swirl around Rossi and the facts seldom come to light. - Jed Rossi's first customer was to be Defkalion. Harry
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. According to? As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Great. The 1 MW device we were shown was many individual smaller reactors. A shipping container is not going to be stuffed in a drone. If there really is such a customer, what they would want delivered would be a single reactor, or a small number of them, with a contract for the delivery of more. They would not want someone with Rossi's background and resources putting together the combination, wasting time and money on efforts not actually needed. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. According to? And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. According to? I'll answer here. According to Rossi, then with Axil Axil drawing conclusions from Rossi's reports. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. And the original point has now been buried. The point is that the original 1 MW reactor is not what someone would want, who wanted to do what Axil imagines as the purpose. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Summary: if anyone can build a LENR reactor with performance characteristics like those claimed, countless applications become possible. This is belaboring the obvious, avoiding the obvious. It all depends on Rossi. Okay, there is a little more, there are now apparently independent business people working on the problem. But we don't know what they have actually found, and they are also secretive. That's not a complaint. They have the right to be secretive. But secrecy has a consequence that cannot be avoided. We can't trust rumors and claims when the truth is a secret. Indeed, secrecy on cold fusion, in 1989, on the part of Pons and Fleischmann, was a critical factor that allowed the general physics community to -- improperly -- reject cold fusion. That secrecy may have been justifiable for commercial reasons, but ... it also allowed an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust to flourish, and the result was that cold fusion did not get the continued massive research funding that might have been necessary to break through ignorance of the mechanism, and which is still needed, probably, even though secrecy is not much of an issue any more (for the Pons-Fleischmann Heat Effect). And replication remained difficult for years, for similar reasons, and thus the intellectual property being protected became worthless. Even though the FPHE is definitely real, and that's practically a certainty. Real, but impractical, so far. Unless Rossi's claims are real, which looks very shaky. (And that's not the FPHE, it is obviously a different process, possibly LENR, and some LENR theories do claim a mechanism that might work with NiH. Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium. Not immediately easy to detect in a hydrogen environment where deuterium is always an impurity, but with long operation at high power, it should be easy to confirm this prediction. Trivial, in fact. That is the kind of work that has made fusion of some kind -- mechanism still unknown -- highly likely as what is happening with PdD experiments. Helium was the ash, demonstrated by correlation with heat across many experiments and research groups.)
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
We will know soon enough. Rossi says he will release a description, pictures, and data about his “new” design in a matter of weeks. Here is what he has to say about this subject. 1. Dear Andrea Rossi, The PESN article was very interesting. It speculated on a higher temperature eCat (1000C?). Since the melting point of nickel is 1,453C, I suspect you will be limited in temperatures beyond 1000C. Still, there are thermodynamic advantages of producing steam above 600C but still technological challenges (for the turbine designers) in using it. Looking forward to your report on the current testing. An eCAt cooktop would be wonderful (as mentioned in the PESN article). Applications appear to be unlimited. 2. Andrea Rossi July 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=629cpage=6#comment-269134 Dear Steven N. Karels: As you correctly said: Let’s wait for the report. Warm Regards, A.R. 1. Prof. Azimuth July 7th, 2012 at 2:57 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=1#comment-271898 Please ing. Rossi post some pictures of your twenty 600° reactors at works. Warm (600°) Regards Prof. Azimuth 2. Andrea Rossi July 7th, 2012 at 4:56 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=1#comment-271956 Dear Prof. Azimuth: Photos will be published along with the report. WQarm Regards, A.R. 1. Greg Leonard July 8th, 2012 at 1:08 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=60#comment-272522 Dear AR, There have been references to the newest Ecat (600C) models as ‘solid state’. I have great difficulty in imagining how micro/nano particles of Ni in an H or H2 gas could be regarded as ‘solid state’. Do you regard the Ecat2 as solid state? I am, as always, full of admiration for your innovation and hard work Greg Leonard 2. Andrea Rossi July 8th, 2012 at 3:14 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=60#comment-272565 Dear Greg Leonard: We will give all the possible information about the high temperature E-Cats in the Report. Warm Regards, A.R. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. According to? As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Great. The 1 MW device we were shown was many individual smaller reactors. A shipping container is not going to be stuffed in a drone. If there really is such a customer, what they would want delivered would be a single reactor, or a small number of them, with a contract for the delivery of more. They would not want someone with Rossi's background and resources putting together the combination, wasting time and money on efforts not actually needed. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. According to? And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. According to? I'll answer here. According to Rossi, then with Axil Axil drawing conclusions from Rossi's reports. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. And the original point has now been buried. The point is that the original 1 MW reactor is not what someone would want, who wanted to do what Axil imagines as the purpose. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Summary: if anyone can build a LENR reactor with performance characteristics like those claimed, countless applications become possible. This is belaboring the obvious, avoiding the obvious. It all depends on Rossi. Okay, there is a little more, there are now apparently independent business people working on the problem. But we don't know what they have actually found, and they are also secretive. That's not a complaint. They have the right to be secretive. But secrecy has a consequence that cannot be avoided. We can't trust rumors and claims when the truth is a secret. Indeed, secrecy on cold fusion, in 1989, on the part of Pons and Fleischmann, was a critical factor that allowed the general physics community to -- improperly -- reject cold fusion. That secrecy may have been justifiable for commercial reasons, but ... it also allowed an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust to flourish, and the result was that cold fusion did not get the continued massive research funding that might have been necessary to break through ignorance of
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Axil, My concern is that rossi is reading the same technical papers you are and making claims that fit the theories so your comparisons will always seem reasonable. We are at the point that we need independent hard data that he and DGT have managed to generate thousands of times more power than others. On Monday, July 9, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. According to? As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Great. The 1 MW device we were shown was many individual smaller reactors. A shipping container is not going to be stuffed in a drone. If there really is such a customer, what they would want delivered would be a single reactor, or a small number of them, with a contract for the delivery of more. They would not want someone with Rossi's background and resources putting together the combination, wasting time and money on efforts not actually needed. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. According to? And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. According to? I'll answer here. According to Rossi, then with Axil Axil drawing conclusions from Rossi's reports. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. And the original point has now been buried. The point is that the original 1 MW reactor is not what someone would want, who wanted to do what Axil imagines as the purpose. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Summary: if anyone can build a LENR reactor with performance characteristics like those claimed, countless applications become possible. This is belaboring the obvious, avoiding the obvious. It all depends on Rossi. Okay, there is a little more, there are now apparently independent business people working on the problem. But we don't know what they have actually found, and they are also secretive. That's not a complaint. They have the right to be secretive. But secrecy has a consequence that cannot be avoided. We can't trust rumors and claims when the truth is a secret. Indeed, secrecy on cold fusion, in 1989, on the part of Pons and Fleischmann, was a critical factor that allowed the general physics community to -- improperly -- reject cold fusion. That secrecy may have been justifiable for commercial reasons, but ... it also allowed an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust to flourish, and the result was that cold fusion did not get the continued massive research funding that might have been necessary to break through ignorance of the mechanism, and which is still needed, probably, even though secrecy is not much of an issue any more (for the Pons-Fleischmann Heat Effect). And replication remained difficult for years, for similar reasons, and thus the intellectual property being protected became worthless. Even though the FPHE is definitely real, and that's practically a certainty. Real, but impractical, so far. Unless Rossi's claims are real, which looks very shaky. (And that's not the FPHE, it is obviously a different process, possibly LENR, and some LENR theories do claim a mechanism that might work with NiH. Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium. Not immediately easy to detect in a hydrogen environment where deuterium is always an impurity, but with long operation at high power, it should be easy to confirm this prediction. Trivial, in fact. That is the kind of work that has made fusion of some kind -- mechanism still unknown -- highly likely as what is happening with PdD experiments. Helium was the ash, demonstrated by correlation with heat across many experiments and research groups.)
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Could Rossi be using FUD as a weapon against DGT just before the release of their product? Fear, uncertainty and doubt, frequently abbreviated as FUD, is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information. An individual firm, for example, might use FUD to invite unfavorable opinions and speculation about a competitor's product; to increase the general estimation of switching costs among current customers; or to maintain leverage over a current business partner who could potentially become a rival. The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry but has since been used more broadly. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear. What is the FUD here? Why would a licensee spend millions of Euros to franchise a product when there is a much superior product that may be soon available in just a few weeks? Cheers:Axil On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, My concern is that rossi is reading the same technical papers you are and making claims that fit the theories so your comparisons will always seem reasonable. We are at the point that we need independent hard data that he and DGT have managed to generate thousands of times more power than others. On Monday, July 9, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. According to? As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Great. The 1 MW device we were shown was many individual smaller reactors. A shipping container is not going to be stuffed in a drone. If there really is such a customer, what they would want delivered would be a single reactor, or a small number of them, with a contract for the delivery of more. They would not want someone with Rossi's background and resources putting together the combination, wasting time and money on efforts not actually needed. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. According to? And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. According to? I'll answer here. According to Rossi, then with Axil Axil drawing conclusions from Rossi's reports. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. And the original point has now been buried. The point is that the original 1 MW reactor is not what someone would want, who wanted to do what Axil imagines as the purpose. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Summary: if anyone can build a LENR reactor with performance characteristics like those claimed, countless applications become possible. This is belaboring the obvious, avoiding the obvious. It all depends on Rossi. Okay, there is a little more, there are now apparently independent business people working on the problem. But we don't know what they have actually found, and they are also secretive. That's not a complaint. They have the right to be secretive. But secrecy has a consequence that cannot be avoided. We can't trust rumors and claims when the truth is a secret. Indeed, secrecy on cold fusion, in 1989, on the part of Pons and Fleischmann, was a critical factor that allowed the general physics community to -- improperly -- reject cold fusion. That secrecy may have been justifiable for commercial reasons, but ... it also allowed an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust to flourish, and the result was that cold fusion did not get the continued massive research funding that might have been necessary to break through ignorance of the mechanism, and which is still needed, probably, even though secrecy is not much of an issue any more (for the Pons-Fleischmann Heat Effect). And replication remained difficult for years, for similar reasons, and thus the intellectual property being protected became worthless. Even though the FPHE is definitely real, and that's practically a certainty. Real, but impractical, so far. Unless Rossi's claims are real, which looks very shaky. (And that's not the FPHE, it is obviously a different process, possibly LENR, and some LENR theories do claim a mechanism that might work with NiH. Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium. Not immediately
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
At 01:29 PM 7/9/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Axil, My concern is that rossi is reading the same technical papers you are and making claims that fit the theories so your comparisons will always seem reasonable. We are at the point that we need independent hard data that he and DGT have managed to generate thousands of times more power than others. Accurately stated, though with an incorporated assumption. We need. Yes, we need that data if we are to come to firm conclusions. Whether or not we need firm conclusions is a personal matter. I don't. I can muddle along for the rest of my life without this possible energy source, and without knowing if Rossi's reactor truly generates significant power. The problem is that Rossi et al don't *need* to provide us with that data. We aren't paying them. They have no obligation to us. Some players are scientists or others not playing for personal gain. They may have needs, but I don't see that Rossi is about to help them meet them. He doesn't care about them, he's shown that again and again. I'm just pointing out what's so, and sometimes what is possible, an old habit.
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
In reply to noone noone's message of Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:02:29 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] The cigarette box sized reactor core is the one used in the home ECAT that produces 10 kW at around 80C. This is my understanding from what Rossi has stated. The new high temperature E-Cat reactor core is said to be even smaller, but has more shielding. If more shielding has been used it could be an indication that more nuclear reactions are occurring in the higher temp unit. That in turn implies that the ratio of nuclear reactions to heat output is variable, which in turn implies that some form of f/H is involved in the process. I.e. besides nuclear reactions, there must be an additional heat generating mechanism (such as f/H formation). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:28:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium. In order to produce D you need an either n+p or p+p. The former implies a WL reaction. The latter an f/H reaction. If f/H is involved then is unlikely to be much D remaining because the reactions consuming D (such as p+D = He3) are faster than the p+p reaction by many orders of magnitude. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
At 04:42 PM 7/9/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:28:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Storms is predicting that the ash with NiH is deuterium. In order to produce D you need an either n+p or p+p. The former implies a WL reaction. The latter an f/H reaction. If f/H is involved then is unlikely to be much D remaining because the reactions consuming D (such as p+D = He3) are faster than the p+p reaction by many orders of magnitude. Regards, Storms is proposing H + H + e - D. His general mechanism is a line of nuclei with electrons in between, confined in a resonant crack. he writes the reaction that way to emphasized that the electron is actually incorporated in the fusion, with protons as fuel. With deuterons, it is not sucked in. D + e + D - He-4. With a mixture of D and H, he predicts tritium. D + e + H - T. Looks like the electron is incorporated. I have some serious problems with his mechanism. Just noting that he does predict deuterium, and it's not impossible, and would be difficult to detect until there was substantial build-up. He-3 isn't observed. Tritium is. Predictions of reaction cross-section based on standard fusion reactions could be wildly off. The concentration of D in the hydrogen would be very small at first. I.e., natural incidence. Frankly, though, I have trouble remembering stuff I don't understand. Maybe I remember it wrong. This is Storms new paper, it's up on the web.
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Sigh , more stale regurgitations from the self-appointed expert of LENR. Quite frankly, I hang on to Axil's every post as his posts have been useful in advancing the current state of knowledge of LENR. Infinitely more than what I can say about your posts. There is only one poster whose posts I save. In case you are not aware, this forum gives liberal license for people to speculate, and that is exactly what many people here are doing - speculate. And in case you don't know, wild speculations is a reason why this forum exists. Furthermore, in case you've been living in a cave, Speculations are useful in broadening our horizons to other possibilities. (I especially enjoy Jones' wild speculations.) Please please please, stop regurgitating what has already been covered ad infinitum in this forum. Yes, we need a definitive test from Rossi. Yes, Rossi is unbelievable. Yes, Rossi is a con man. Yes, there is no proof for LENR in drones, etc etc etc etc etc etc . EVERYONE knows that. We don't need your superior intellect and analytical skills to regurgitate this for others. Say it once and be done with it. That would help those of us who are bandwidth-challenged. Jojo Group: Forgive the highly emotional response, but Lomax is starting to irritate me with his wordy (but devoid of substance) posts. Reminds me of the way Mary Yugo irritated most of us. After having sinned in this area, I now ask for absolution from the group. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM At 10:29 PM 7/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. According to? As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Great. The 1 MW device we were shown was many individual smaller reactors. A shipping container is not going to be stuffed in a drone. If there really is such a customer, what they would want delivered would be a single reactor, or a small number of them, with a contract for the delivery of more. They would not want someone with Rossi's background and resources putting together the combination, wasting time and money on efforts not actually needed. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. According to? And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. According to? I'll answer here. According to Rossi, then with Axil Axil drawing conclusions from Rossi's reports. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. And the original point has now been buried. The point is that the original 1 MW reactor is not what someone would want, who wanted to do what Axil imagines as the purpose. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Summary: if anyone can build a LENR reactor with performance characteristics like those claimed, countless applications become possible. This is belaboring the obvious, avoiding the obvious. It all depends on Rossi. Okay, there is a little more, there are now apparently independent business people working on the problem. But we don't know what they have actually found, and they are also secretive. That's not a complaint. They have the right to be secretive. But secrecy has a consequence that cannot be avoided. We can't trust rumors and claims when the truth is a secret. Indeed, secrecy on cold fusion, in 1989, on the part of Pons and Fleischmann, was a critical factor that allowed the general physics community to -- improperly -- reject cold fusion. That secrecy may have been justifiable for commercial reasons, but ... it also allowed an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust to flourish, and the result was that cold fusion did not get the continued massive research funding that might have been necessary to break through ignorance of the mechanism, and which is still needed, probably, even though secrecy is not much of an issue any more (for the Pons-Fleischmann Heat Effect). And replication remained difficult for years, for similar reasons, and thus the intellectual property being protected became worthless. Even though the FPHE is definitely real, and that's practically a certainty. Real, but impractical, so far. Unless Rossi's claims are real, which looks very shaky. (And that's
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
At 09:50 PM 7/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Sigh , more stale regurgitations from the self-appointed expert of LENR. I must say I'm consistently impressed by people who claim that I irritate them by regurgitating stuff, who complain about the bandwidth burned, and who then copy all of it. Don't like what I write, fine. Your privilege. But don't then shove it back into everyone's face, adding your own useless ravings, asking for absolution at the same time. Or do. I suppose that's your privilege, too. Does it serve you? [...] Group: Forgive the highly emotional response, but Lomax is starting to irritate me with his wordy (but devoid of substance) posts. Reminds me of the way Mary Yugo irritated most of us. After having sinned in this area, I now ask for absolution from the group. [lots o stuff, including a copy of the mail Jojo was complaining about, deleted]
RE: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Jojo sez: ... Group: Forgive the highly emotional response, but Lomax is starting to irritate me with his wordy (but devoid of substance) posts. Reminds me of the way Mary Yugo irritated most of us. After having sinned in this area, I now ask for absolution from the group. If you wish absolution, my son, Say three Hail Mary's tonight. Then look at yourself in the mirror, and repeat There by the grace of God go I Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. You need $1.5 million. That is an absurd sum of money, and the 1 MW reactor is an absurd machine. A single unit from it would suffice. If I had $1.5 million I could probably try to replicate Rossi from scratch, the way Defkalion now claims they did. I might not get the same high performance Rossi has, but it would probably be high enough to attract enough real money to finish the job. Several groups are trying to do that, with mixed results. Whatever it costs to replicate independently, it would be better than trying to deal with Rossi directly. He is a great inventor in many ways, but as a businessman he is impossible to deal with. He is a control freak. The way he treated the people from NASA was outrageous. It was unspeakable! They talked about it at WM. Rossi might have gotten millions of dollars in funding practically overnight. Instead, he threw them out and he thew away the opportunity in a momentary fit of pique. Just because he could not bring himself to admit the outlet pipe was plugged up with crud. This is idiotic, self-defeating egomania. It is very sad. Heck, the way he treated *me* was outrageous. He and Krivit deserve one another, like two scorpions in a bottle. Rossi is personally nice. He is a lot more honest and forthright than you might think based on his blog postings. He blabs and blusters a lot, but his core claims are all correct as far as I know. Most have been been independently verified by his collaborators, who are a long-suffering group of stalwart people. They have done much for him and in return he has often given them a sharp kick in the . . . genitals. (I want to maintain the proper academic decorum.) Rossi deserves a huge amount of credit for pushing this field along, using techniques pioneered by himself, Arata and Piantelli. He deserves billions of dollars -- if that's what he wants. But his temper and periodic fits of pique make him impossible to do business with. (A fit of pique is an old expression meaning acting badly because your pride is hurt.) Rossi is his own worst enemy. He suffers from the inventor's disease that has defeated so many others in cold fusion and in other fields throughout history. People try to help him but he blows them away, and mistrusts them, because he has had so many bad experiences in the post. Most of his bad experiences in the last few years have been entirely his own fault. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Yep, this seems like a benign description of what is going on. I hypothesize that Rossi inhabits his own world, which is in conflict with ours. As such it is backed by its own 'reality', which maybe coexists with ours. Or not. See eg Philip K Dick, who believed in a world where time is nonexistent. Everythhing happens at the same time. Why? Because of that he could manage his inner world, where exactly that happened. But this does not pass the smell-test of intersubjectivity. Now Rossi's ambitions seem distinctly different from Karl May or PKD, in that he aims to directly alter our physical reality, not only our imagination. As such, I find him interesting. As an inventor, well , he is on the level of PKD in the best case. Take my word. Guenter Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:42 Sonntag, 8.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM ... Rossi is his own worst enemy. He suffers from the inventor's disease that has defeated so many others in cold fusion and in other fields throughout history. ...
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
And yet Brillouin Energy‘s President and Chief Technical Officer Robert E. Godes has selflessly posted critical help on Rossi's web site that has enabled Rossi to develop his latest reaction approach; and Rossi was grateful for it. The same is true for the advice he got from NI and his first government based customer. Since you know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. You need $1.5 million. That is an absurd sum of money, and the 1 MW reactor is an absurd machine. A single unit from it would suffice. If I had $1.5 million I could probably try to replicate Rossi from scratch, the way Defkalion now claims they did. I might not get the same high performance Rossi has, but it would probably be high enough to attract enough real money to finish the job. Several groups are trying to do that, with mixed results. Whatever it costs to replicate independently, it would be better than trying to deal with Rossi directly. He is a great inventor in many ways, but as a businessman he is impossible to deal with. He is a control freak. The way he treated the people from NASA was outrageous. It was unspeakable! They talked about it at WM. Rossi might have gotten millions of dollars in funding practically overnight. Instead, he threw them out and he thew away the opportunity in a momentary fit of pique. Just because he could not bring himself to admit the outlet pipe was plugged up with crud. This is idiotic, self-defeating egomania. It is very sad. Heck, the way he treated *me* was outrageous. He and Krivit deserve one another, like two scorpions in a bottle. Rossi is personally nice. He is a lot more honest and forthright than you might think based on his blog postings. He blabs and blusters a lot, but his core claims are all correct as far as I know. Most have been been independently verified by his collaborators, who are a long-suffering group of stalwart people. They have done much for him and in return he has often given them a sharp kick in the . . . genitals. (I want to maintain the proper academic decorum.) Rossi deserves a huge amount of credit for pushing this field along, using techniques pioneered by himself, Arata and Piantelli. He deserves billions of dollars -- if that's what he wants. But his temper and periodic fits of pique make him impossible to do business with. (A fit of pique is an old expression meaning acting badly because your pride is hurt.) Rossi is his own worst enemy. He suffers from the inventor's disease that has defeated so many others in cold fusion and in other fields throughout history. People try to help him but he blows them away, and mistrusts them, because he has had so many bad experiences in the post. Most of his bad experiences in the last few years have been entirely his own fault. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
From Axil: ... Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. A razor's edge. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: And yet Brillouin Energy‘s President and Chief Technical Officer Robert E. Godes has selflessly posted critical help on Rossi's web site that has enabled Rossi to develop his latest reaction approach; and Rossi was grateful for it. The same is true for the advice he got from NI and his first government based customer. Yup. He is sincere about expressing thanks and giving credit to others. Effusive, even. Also, unlike many self-made inventors, he is open to ideas and suggestions from other people. He does not suffer from the not invented here syndrome. One person who knows him better than I do said he reads everything and he will ask for help from anyone, if he thinks that will contribute to reaching his goals. I have heard he learned a great deal from NI and there might still be a fruitful relationship between them. I would not mind being a vendor to Rossi such as NI. That could be a very fruitful relationship. I would not want to be a business partner or investor. As far as I know he has been quite open and fair with people such as Levi, Essen and Kulander. They are not business partners. They have not complained about him, and they have nothing to complain about. He never followed through on his proposed research contract with U. Bologna, but that is his prerogative. A businessman can decide that a contract is not in his best interests and cancel before the final commitment deadline. That's a normal and legit thing to do. He is an impressive businessman and a brilliant engineer and inventor. Unfortunately, he has serious faults, such as being sloppy with equipment, and thin-skinned. As I said, he could not bring himself to admit that the people from NASA were right and he was wrong, and the test failed. That was pure egomania. It was an idiotic, self-destructive fit of pique. He should have apologized, fixed the problem, and called them back in. They offered to come. This was the test described by Krivit, in a report that is correct as far as I know. Krivit often gets things right, and I am always willing to give him credit. I cited him in my recent paper. He has the same problem Rossi has: he often gets it right, but sometimes his ego causes him to make drastic mistakes, and you never tell whether you are dealing with Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde. Since you know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. In my personal experience it varies from day to day, or from hour to hour, like the weather in Pennsylvania. * I personally have been in his favor in the morning, on the outs by afternoon, and back in his good graces the next day. It depends on his mood. If he reads this message I am sure to be in the doghouse tomorrow. He has difficulty knowing friends from enemies. In my opinion he has difficulty judging other people's intentions and capabilities. This is unimportant example, but he rejected a visit by me because I insisted on bringing my own instruments, and he welcomed a visit by Krivit who set no such conditions. Some people who knew this was happening at the time warned him that Krivit sometimes makes trouble. I think I would have done a better job. I might have found the same result that Krivit did: no evidence of heat. But at least I would have measured this objectively with outside instruments leaving no doubt in anyone's mind about the result. That is better than trying to prove the issue by guess and by golly and by making fun of Rossi's ability to speak English as a second language. Rossi does not want anyone to use outside instruments to establish a clear claim one way or the other. As he says, no tests! That is what he told me, which is why I did not go. Most people assume that he says this because he is a fraud and he is hiding the truth. That assumption is entirely reasonable. If I knew nothing about him, and I had not seen data from his long suffering supporters, I would assume this. I think the situation is more complicated. I agree with Mike McKubre who says Rossi wants most people to think he has nothing, because he does not want serious competition. Ed Storms says that if he were Rossi, with the technology in hand, he would say nothing to anyone except investors under NDAs. He would keep it strictly confidential. That would be a legitimate business strategy. What Rossi is doing is kind of like that, with the added strategy of spreading confusion and rumors that the machines do not work. That is * not* a legitimate business strategy. It is borderline unethical. While it is okay to say nothing, it is not okay to circulate misleading information. Granted, this kind of deception is quite common, and has been used by mainstream organizations such as IBM since forever. If you are going to engage is such practices, you cannot complain when people say you are untrustworthy or you appear to be con-man. Rossi has no right
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. A razor's edge. Exactly! It might also be compared to quantum entanglement. All of us who try to deal with Rossi play the role of Shrodinger's cat. It is impossible to know -- even in principle -- whether you are presently alive or dead to him. After a while you stop caring, which is why, for example, I am typing this message. Or . . . am I?!? See also: Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field -- http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt A reality distortion field. In [Job's] presence, reality is malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything. It wears off when he's not around . . . . . . [J]ust because he tells you that something is awful or great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow. You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it. This is the mark of genius and also of a sociopath. Jobs was both. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
In a business setting I would say the operative word is ally rather than friend. Harry On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. A razor's edge. Exactly! It might also be compared to quantum entanglement. All of us who try to deal with Rossi play the role of Shrodinger's cat. It is impossible to know -- even in principle -- whether you are presently alive or dead to him. After a while you stop caring, which is why, for example, I am typing this message. Or . . . am I?!? See also: Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field -- http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt A reality distortion field. In [Job's] presence, reality is malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything. It wears off when he's not around . . . . . . [J]ust because he tells you that something is awful or great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow. You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it. This is the mark of genius and also of a sociopath. Jobs was both. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
He is an impressive businessman and a brilliant engineer and inventor. At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be impressed with his business and technical acumen. I do credit him with taking a world-changing concept and moving it forward in his own unique way... On Sunday, July 8, 2012, Harry Veeder wrote: In a business setting I would say the operative word is ally rather than friend. Harry On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.netjavascript:; wrote: Since you [Jed] know him so well, please explain this dichotomy in rossi's relationships with people; what makes a person a snake and a clown and what makes a person a valuable friend. A razor's edge. Exactly! It might also be compared to quantum entanglement. All of us who try to deal with Rossi play the role of Shrodinger's cat. It is impossible to know -- even in principle -- whether you are presently alive or dead to him. After a while you stop caring, which is why, for example, I am typing this message. Or . . . am I?!? See also: Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field -- http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt A reality distortion field. In [Job's] presence, reality is malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything. It wears off when he's not around . . . . . . [J]ust because he tells you that something is awful or great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow. You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it. This is the mark of genius and also of a sociopath. Jobs was both. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be impressed with his business and technical acumen. In his previous ventures he showed a lot of business and technical acumen. Not much lately. He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1 MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have ever encountered. I do credit him with taking a world-changing concept and moving it forward in his own unique way... Yup. I wish he would use more conventional methods. The one thing I have learned is that you should not underestimate him. It is easy to make fun of him or dismiss some of his outlandish claims, such as the one about making monoisotopic Ni cheaply. His statements are often contradictory so they cannot all be true. It is all too easy to dismiss him as a nut or a con-man. As with Steve Jobs you have to low-pass filter his input. Sometimes people such as Jobs say all kinds of crazy, deluded or manipulative things. Sift through this, filter out the garbage, and you may find great ideas worth billions of dollars. Say what you like about Jobs, he was one of the most brilliant businessmen in U.S. history. He had a wonderful feel for design. He was like Charles Freer; not a great artist himself but one who recognized and collected great art with an unfailing eye. When dealing with people it is essential you learn to forgive their faults and embrace their contributions. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
I guess those previous successes were pre-petroldragan and those thermo
electric generators from Leonardo since I would not consider those wildly
successful ventures.
What I would like to believe about Rossi is that through his previous
losses he realized they can take it all away but you still have your own
inner strength and experience to create something useful for the world.
This will make a great story for the history books. What I do not want to
believe is that he just took some scientist's publishings and slapped
together a contraption and has made grandiose claims. That MW e-cat took
alot of time to fabricate and pipe together. I just wish he did not have
that 300-500 kW generator parked beside it. There were no water pumps or
instrumentation that would have required that much power.
Steve Jobs tried to make the personal computer personal. Many more
people bought PCs. I believe he has finally succeeded with the Iphone and
Apple's bottom line reflects this. I just dropped mine and broke the glass
but it is still working! I tell people it is my screen saver.
On Sunday, July 8, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to
see independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be
impressed with his business and technical acumen.
In his previous ventures he showed a lot of business and technical acumen.
Not much lately.
He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great
risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1
MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have
ever encountered.
I do credit him with taking a world-changing concept and moving it
forward in his own unique way...
Yup. I wish he would use more conventional methods.
The one thing I have learned is that you should not underestimate him. It
is easy to make fun of him or dismiss some of his outlandish claims, such
as the one about making monoisotopic Ni cheaply. His statements are often
contradictory so they cannot all be true. It is all too easy to dismiss him
as a nut or a con-man.
As with Steve Jobs you have to low-pass filter his input. Sometimes
people such as Jobs say all kinds of crazy, deluded or manipulative things.
Sift through this, filter out the garbage, and you may find great ideas
worth billions of dollars. Say what you like about Jobs, he was one of the
most brilliant businessmen in U.S. history. He had a wonderful feel for
design. He was like Charles Freer; not a great artist himself but one who
recognized and collected great art with an unfailing eye.
When dealing with people it is essential you learn to forgive their faults
and embrace their contributions.
- Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
*Jed said:* ** *He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1 MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have ever encountered.* ** *Axil said:* So soon you forget. His first customer absolutely required the 1 MW power factor. As I posted in the past, a 1 MW thermal reactor is the ideal reactor size for a drone with a 100 HP electric engine operating with a thermal to electric conversion ratio of 15%. Now that the Rossi core operates at 600C, the thermodynamic efficiency is up to 45%. And these playing card pack size 10 KW cores, numbered at about 100 cores, this new drone LENR power supply can be packaged in a volume that is less than that occupied by a current drone engine. This saves the volume now reserved for long duration sized fuel storage tanks. Such a LENR drone can take off from the us and get to the patrol zone anywhere in the world in just a few days saving the hassle of field support and fuel logistics, stay on station for a year and return back to its base in the US for a quick refueling and be back on station in less than a week. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I will agree with inventor. I am anxiously waiting to see independent results of what has been invented and whether I will be impressed with his business and technical acumen. In his previous ventures he showed a lot of business and technical acumen. Not much lately. He also got himself into enormous trouble several times. He takes great risks, sometimes for no reason it seems to me. Such as when he made the 1 MW reactor. I cannot understand him! He is the most baffling person I have ever encountered. I do credit him with taking a world-changing concept and moving it forward in his own unique way... Yup. I wish he would use more conventional methods. The one thing I have learned is that you should not underestimate him. It is easy to make fun of him or dismiss some of his outlandish claims, such as the one about making monoisotopic Ni cheaply. His statements are often contradictory so they cannot all be true. It is all too easy to dismiss him as a nut or a con-man. As with Steve Jobs you have to low-pass filter his input. Sometimes people such as Jobs say all kinds of crazy, deluded or manipulative things. Sift through this, filter out the garbage, and you may find great ideas worth billions of dollars. Say what you like about Jobs, he was one of the most brilliant businessmen in U.S. history. He had a wonderful feel for design. He was like Charles Freer; not a great artist himself but one who recognized and collected great art with an unfailing eye. When dealing with people it is essential you learn to forgive their faults and embrace their contributions. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and forthright. He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20 supposed 600C test units. Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. *Dear Antonella: You are right, anybody can buy a 1 MW plant and make all the tests he wants and obviously anybody is free to give information to anybody regarding a property of his. Warm Regards, A.R.* On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and forthright. He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20 supposed 600C test units. Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Here is an uninformative report on the conference: http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Cold-Fusion-is-Real-by-Josh-Mitteldorf-120704-254.html I would say more about the conference but I figure the proceedings will soon be available so it is better to let the authors speak for themselves. If the proceedings are delayed I will ask the people at WM to send me the PowerPoint slides. They collected them on the chairman's computer. I will upload them or send them to interested parties. Papers are better than slides so let's wait. There was a lot of talk about potential commercialization including a discussion by a guy from Switzerland, Nicolas Chauvin, about making cold fusion powered cars. That may seem premature but Chauvin is a smart cookie doing a lot of preliminary groundwork in automotive transportation with cold fusion heat engines that might be well worthwhile. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
Here are the list of attendees: http://www.cvent.com/events/international-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-symposium-ilenrs-12/attendees-2afdc5aee9fe479ca69ff752477cbd25.aspx - Jed
[Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
I attended the International Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Symposium (ILENRS-12) at The College of William and Mary, Williamsburg, Virginia. I just got back. The website for the conference is here: http://www.cvent.com/events/international-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-symposium-ilenrs-12/event-summary-2afdc5aee9fe479ca69ff752477cbd25.aspx I do not know why it is #12 or where the other 11 have been. Anyway, it was one of better cold fusion conferences I have been to lately. Reasons: New people. There were ~50 participants and I have never met about half of them. Many of them are spring chickens, in their 40s and 50s. One was an actual undergraduate! Interesting presentations and informal discussions, particularly by Rob Duncan, the people from NASA and the people from WM who are just getting started in the field. As I have said before, you gotta love NASA people. A high level of enthusiasm. Progress has been made lately, and -- equally important -- there seems to be a lot of funding by the standards of cold fusion. People are getting equipment and permissions to do research. Peter Hagelstein presented a comprehensive version of his latest theory. I do not understand it but people who do were impressed. He calls this a complete theory compared to the toy theories he has presented in the past. He has gone through dozens of iterations. Rob Duncan described various projects now underway at U. Missouri. They want to be certain of the results before they announce them, but it is apparent that they are doing a lot of solid fundamental research in cooperation with the ENEA and others. Energetics Technologies has relocated from Israel to the U. Missouri commercial incubator where they are doing commercial-type RD less open to discussion, more targeted to getting patents. As has been the case for the last few years, Rossi was the great absent influence. I think it is only a matter of time before various people replicate him. Piantelli has been more cooperative with various scientists in recent years, I suppose because of his rivalry with Rossi. As McKubre says, we all took a long hard look at Ni-H results thanks to Rossi, and that includes results from both Rossi and Piantelli. The proceedings from this conference will be made available at various web sites including LENR-CANR.org. The organizers are pushing the participants to submit papers quickly, within a few weeks. I think that is a good idea. - Jed
