Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Hill
This is the reply I posted to the article below:

I'm sorry, but complaining about a $35 adapter is frankly silly.  Why don't you 
go complain about car manufacturers charging an atrocious $400 for a 
replacement key remote instead - a far more nefarious example of corporate 
greed than Apple's little adapter.

NFC has been termed Not For Commerce because it has been dead in the water as 
it requires huge changes by retailers.  Apple only supports these sorts of 
standards once they become widespread enough to be useful - witness the time 
Apple took introducing 3G and 4G in their devices - they waited until there was 
enough 3G and 4G coverage to be useful for consumers saving them the terrible 
battery life impact inherent with jumping in too soon on early chipsets.

Likewise, the ACCC's crusade against Apple re 4G was ridiculous as the 
International Telecommunications Union classes Telstra's HSPA+ dual carrier 
NextG network as 4G even if Telstra doesn't advertise it as such locally.  

It gives up to 42mbps speeds which is far faster than Vivid Wireless's 4G WiMax 
network here in Australia which tops out at a pathetic 5mbps.   In contrast, 
Apple's iPad 4G has demonstrated real-world speeds of 20mbps on NextG in 
Australia.  Now you tell me who is putting one over the consumer in that 
context?

@David, this continued witch-hunt against Apple over Chinese working conditions 
is unfortunately based on a lot of untruth exacerbated by the infamous Mike 
Daisy.  For example the topic that started the media frenzy originally was the 
supposed suicide cluster at Foxconn, Apple's major Chinese assembler.  The 
reality which still very few media outlets mention is that only 17 suicides 
were verified over a 5 year period.  

This may sound like a lot until you realise that if Foxconn had the same 
suicide rate as the rest of China, they would have had 1,320 suicides over that 
same timeframe out of their 1.2 million workers.

Make no mistake about it, these sorts of complaints are nothing but tall-poppy 
syndrome and sour grapes


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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Ronda Brown
Totally agree with you Martin on all you have mentioned below.
This is classic Tall Poppy Syndrome and jealousy of Apple's huge success!

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 17/09/2012, at 2:31 PM, Martin Hill marth...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 This is the reply I posted to the article below:
 
 I'm sorry, but complaining about a $35 adapter is frankly silly.  Why don't 
 you go complain about car manufacturers charging an atrocious $400 for a 
 replacement key remote instead - a far more nefarious example of corporate 
 greed than Apple's little adapter.
 
 NFC has been termed Not For Commerce because it has been dead in the water 
 as it requires huge changes by retailers.  Apple only supports these sorts of 
 standards once they become widespread enough to be useful - witness the time 
 Apple took introducing 3G and 4G in their devices - they waited until there 
 was enough 3G and 4G coverage to be useful for consumers saving them the 
 terrible battery life impact inherent with jumping in too soon on early 
 chipsets.
 
 Likewise, the ACCC's crusade against Apple re 4G was ridiculous as the 
 International Telecommunications Union classes Telstra's HSPA+ dual carrier 
 NextG network as 4G even if Telstra doesn't advertise it as such locally.  
 
 It gives up to 42mbps speeds which is far faster than Vivid Wireless's 4G 
 WiMax network here in Australia which tops out at a pathetic 5mbps.   In 
 contrast, Apple's iPad 4G has demonstrated real-world speeds of 20mbps on 
 NextG in Australia.  Now you tell me who is putting one over the consumer in 
 that context?
 
 @David, this continued witch-hunt against Apple over Chinese working 
 conditions is unfortunately based on a lot of untruth exacerbated by the 
 infamous Mike Daisy.  For example the topic that started the media frenzy 
 originally was the supposed suicide cluster at Foxconn, Apple's major Chinese 
 assembler.  The reality which still very few media outlets mention is that 
 only 17 suicides were verified over a 5 year period.  
 
 This may sound like a lot until you realise that if Foxconn had the same 
 suicide rate as the rest of China, they would have had 1,320 suicides over 
 that same timeframe out of their 1.2 million workers.
 
 Make no mistake about it, these sorts of complaints are nothing but 
 tall-poppy syndrome and sour grapes
 
 
 On 17/09/2012, at 1:03 PM, Merv Bond m...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=33211
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Stephen Chape
Well done Martin !

On 17/09/2012, at 2:31 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

 This is the reply I posted to the article below:
 
 I'm sorry, but complaining about a $35 adapter is frankly silly.  Why don't 
 you go complain about car manufacturers charging an atrocious $400 for a 
 replacement key remote instead - a far more nefarious example of corporate 
 greed than Apple's little adapter.
 
 NFC has been termed Not For Commerce because it has been dead in the water 
 as it requires huge changes by retailers.  Apple only supports these sorts of 
 standards once they become widespread enough to be useful - witness the time 
 Apple took introducing 3G and 4G in their devices - they waited until there 
 was enough 3G and 4G coverage to be useful for consumers saving them the 
 terrible battery life impact inherent with jumping in too soon on early 
 chipsets.
 
 Likewise, the ACCC's crusade against Apple re 4G was ridiculous as the 
 International Telecommunications Union classes Telstra's HSPA+ dual carrier 
 NextG network as 4G even if Telstra doesn't advertise it as such locally.  
 
 It gives up to 42mbps speeds which is far faster than Vivid Wireless's 4G 
 WiMax network here in Australia which tops out at a pathetic 5mbps.   In 
 contrast, Apple's iPad 4G has demonstrated real-world speeds of 20mbps on 
 NextG in Australia.  Now you tell me who is putting one over the consumer in 
 that context?
 
 @David, this continued witch-hunt against Apple over Chinese working 
 conditions is unfortunately based on a lot of untruth exacerbated by the 
 infamous Mike Daisy.  For example the topic that started the media frenzy 
 originally was the supposed suicide cluster at Foxconn, Apple's major Chinese 
 assembler.  The reality which still very few media outlets mention is that 
 only 17 suicides were verified over a 5 year period.  
 
 This may sound like a lot until you realise that if Foxconn had the same 
 suicide rate as the rest of China, they would have had 1,320 suicides over 
 that same timeframe out of their 1.2 million workers.
 
 Make no mistake about it, these sorts of complaints are nothing but 
 tall-poppy syndrome and sour grapes
 
 
 On 17/09/2012, at 1:03 PM, Merv Bond m...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=33211
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Merv Bond
It is a common ploy to defend oneself by saying that everybody else is 
doing it. Throw in some adjectives such as silly, ridiculous and tall 
poppy syndrome to add to the mix. The issue of ethics in business is the 
sub-text of the article. At the more literal reading the author of the 
article was suggesting that a $35 adapter was a small amount for a 
company at the top of profit list in the world and would have been a 
gesture of goodwill to its devoted customers.
Merv

On 17/09/12 5:25 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 Well done Martin !

 On 17/09/2012, at 2:31 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

 This is the reply I posted to the article below:

 I'm sorry, but complaining about a $35 adapter is frankly silly.  Why don't 
 you go complain about car manufacturers charging an atrocious $400 for a 
 replacement key remote instead - a far more nefarious example of corporate 
 greed than Apple's little adapter.

 NFC has been termed Not For Commerce because it has been dead in the water 
 as it requires huge changes by retailers.  Apple only supports these sorts 
 of standards once they become widespread enough to be useful - witness the 
 time Apple took introducing 3G and 4G in their devices - they waited until 
 there was enough 3G and 4G coverage to be useful for consumers saving them 
 the terrible battery life impact inherent with jumping in too soon on early 
 chipsets.

 Likewise, the ACCC's crusade against Apple re 4G was ridiculous as the 
 International Telecommunications Union classes Telstra's HSPA+ dual carrier 
 NextG network as 4G even if Telstra doesn't advertise it as such locally.

 It gives up to 42mbps speeds which is far faster than Vivid Wireless's 4G 
 WiMax network here in Australia which tops out at a pathetic 5mbps.   In 
 contrast, Apple's iPad 4G has demonstrated real-world speeds of 20mbps on 
 NextG in Australia.  Now you tell me who is putting one over the consumer in 
 that context?

 @David, this continued witch-hunt against Apple over Chinese working 
 conditions is unfortunately based on a lot of untruth exacerbated by the 
 infamous Mike Daisy.  For example the topic that started the media frenzy 
 originally was the supposed suicide cluster at Foxconn, Apple's major 
 Chinese assembler.  The reality which still very few media outlets mention 
 is that only 17 suicides were verified over a 5 year period.

 This may sound like a lot until you realise that if Foxconn had the same 
 suicide rate as the rest of China, they would have had 1,320 suicides over 
 that same timeframe out of their 1.2 million workers.

 Make no mistake about it, these sorts of complaints are nothing but 
 tall-poppy syndrome and sour grapes


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Re: Proposed name change to Apple Users WA

2012-09-17 Thread Carlo Margio
 work on a Mac, increasingly 
 certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple 
 products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name 
 to Apple Users WA to better reflect this.
 
 This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special 
 Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be 
 such a Special Meeting. An email with details will follow shortly.
 
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Hill
/09/2012, at 1:03 PM, Merv Bond m...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
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Re: Proposed name change to Apple Users WA

2012-09-17 Thread John Daniels
Hi Apple using Muggers

I don't attend the meetings but I pay my dues and follow the posts.

In my humble opinion (and I don't have many of those) we elect a committee and 
they put in a lot of their time and effort on our behalf, so I accept their 
judgement and decisions.
   

If they have given due consideration to a name change then I think we should 
let them get on with it and not raise multifarious objections .

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Re: Domain/website hosting

2012-09-17 Thread Chris Burton
Hi Daniel

Thanks very much for all the info you sent me, I will have a good look at them 
all and think about what and how I need to proceed. 

In regard to domain rego and hosting, are there any issues with transferring 
from one company to another? For example, are there costs associated with 
transfer? Your web hosting sounds very reasonable and comprehensive.

I have heard a number of people speak in glowing terms of Wordpress and also 
seen some photography sites that use it. I would need a site that incorporates 
images, blog, and an order and payment system.

Can I contact you off list if necessary Daniel?

Many thanks

Chris



On 15/09/2012, at 12:19 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

 Hi Chris
 
 Web In a Box's info can be found here :-
 http://webinabox.com.au
 
 I also do web hosting and domain Registration as well through my subsidiary 
 business (HostingServicesWA), My domains are $45 for 2 years.
 You can see all the info here, for Domain Registration and Hosting:-
 http://www.hostingserviceswa.com.au/
 
 Wordpress has some good themes for Photography sites. Also Sandvox or 
 RapidWeaver are both quite good as well. (Wordpress is free). You can even 
 still do it in iWeb (though fairly limited to an extent now), but would be 
 enough to get your started at least. All these can upload to most hosting 
 services without a problem.
 
 Hope either of those help.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
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 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 14/09/2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Burton c...@it.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Muggers
 
 I recall someone recently (in the last few weeks I think) sent a post 
 regarding hosting and suggested Web in a Box. I cant find the email anywhere 
 so am wondering if you can help? 
 
 I had to ask Westnet (where it presently resides) if my domain name was 
 still current and they said yes as it was on 'Auto Update' for payment every 
 2 years prior to expiry at $88. I think web in a box was quite a bit less 
 for memory, and the person who posted I think gave them a good rap? 
 
 I am beginning the process of having a web site for my photography and 
 wouldnt know where to start as there seems so many possibilities. I have 
 seen many very good photography sites online that have given me ideas but I 
 need some direction on this if anyone can help? Any good links or other info 
 I can check out locally?
 
 Best regards to all
 
 Chris
 
 
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 Director
 Western Whale Research
 PO Box 1076
 Dunsborough WA 6281
 Mobile: 0419 199 120
 Email: c...@it.net.au 
 
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Merv Bond
 realise that if Foxconn had the same 
 suicide rate as the rest of China, they would have had 1,320 suicides over 
 that same timeframe out of their 1.2 million workers.

 Make no mistake about it, these sorts of complaints are nothing but 
 tall-poppy syndrome and sour grapes


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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Peter Crisp
G'day Martin, good dialogue on this one. 

Email me off line about Land Rover key fob replacement. I'm doing a battery 
replacement myself and new shell, all for $40 I hope. I hope I'm not too late 
for you.

Sorry for hijacking but wanted to help a fellow mugger.

Regards 

Pete
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On 17/09/2012, at 8:52 PM, Martin Hill marth...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Merv, my apologies if I expressed myself a bit too strongly in my comment.  I 
 do in fact agree absolutely about the importance of ethical business 
 practices but feel the examples given in the article were just so inaccurate 
 as to damage the author's cause.
 
 I have been frustrated in recent years at the amount of unbalanced commentary 
 in much of the media about things like this. The continual tendency to tear 
 down those who do well that is such a feature of the Australian psyche is 
 unfortunately all too evident on the Internet as well.  
 
 In the case of Apple it almost seems to be an orchestrated campaign for many 
 elements of the media to fixate on some manufactured negative issue with each 
 product release and blow it out of all proportion.  Examples include the lack 
 of a keyboard on the original iPhone, the non-removable battery, the 
 supposedly *hot* iPad which was cooler than most other tablets, the Aussie 4G 
 issue and now this $35 adapter.
 
 Where was the outcry when Samsung changed their adapter from their 30-pin 
 dock connector (which they copied from Apple) in the Galaxy S2 to the Galaxy 
 S3 without a free adapter for S2 owners?  What's wrong with buying a cheaper 
 third party adapter than Apple's for the new iPhone 5 - they're already being 
 advertised.  
 
 Why should Apple give it away free? Apple already gives lots of free or cheap 
 stuff out - far cheaper OS update prices than Microsoft, far cheaper app 
 prices than desktop software, free iCloud services, the cheap cloud-hosted 
 iTunes Match service even for pirated music, free iOS system updates, free 
 Find My iPhone and Find my Friends apps, free Maps GPS navigation app, free 
 iTunes Remote app, etc etc.  How many gestures of goodwill does Apple have to 
 make? What's the big deal about this adapter?
 
 What other company has stuck with the same adapter and port on their devices 
 for a decade?  Why is there no outcry over the ridiculous number of different 
 USB port sizes and shapes out there that you have to buy different cables and 
 adapters for each different device? Why did I have to pay $400 for a new 
 remote key fob for my Landrover().  ;-(
 
 It is this unbalanced commentary that just gets my goat!  
 
 -Mart
 
 
 On 17/09/2012, at 5:53 PM, Merv Bond m...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 It is a common ploy to defend oneself by saying that everybody else is 
 doing it. Throw in some adjectives such as silly, ridiculous and tall 
 poppy syndrome to add to the mix. The issue of ethics in business is the 
 sub-text of the article. At the more literal reading the author of the 
 article was suggesting that a $35 adapter was a small amount for a 
 company at the top of profit list in the world and would have been a 
 gesture of goodwill to its devoted customers.
 Merv
 
 On 17/09/12 5:25 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 Well done Martin !
 
 On 17/09/2012, at 2:31 PM, Martin Hill wrote:
 
 This is the reply I posted to the article below:
 
 I'm sorry, but complaining about a $35 adapter is frankly silly.  Why 
 don't you go complain about car manufacturers charging an atrocious $400 
 for a replacement key remote instead - a far more nefarious example of 
 corporate greed than Apple's little adapter.
 
 NFC has been termed Not For Commerce because it has been dead in the 
 water as it requires huge changes by retailers.  Apple only supports these 
 sorts of standards once they become widespread enough to be useful - 
 witness the time Apple took introducing 3G and 4G in their devices - they 
 waited until there was enough 3G and 4G coverage to be useful for 
 consumers saving them the terrible battery life impact inherent with 
 jumping in too soon on early chipsets.
 
 Likewise, the ACCC's crusade against Apple re 4G was ridiculous as the 
 International Telecommunications Union classes Telstra's HSPA+ dual 
 carrier NextG network as 4G even if Telstra doesn't advertise it as such 
 locally.
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Re: Domain/website hosting

2012-09-17 Thread Daniel Kerr
Hi Chris

No worries on that info, happy to help out.
There are no (major) issues in changing Domain Registrations and hosting. If 
you have things hosted or running already (email etc), it can be a bit of a 
hiccup, but these are less and less these days. Can be a bit of slight 
downtime, but this varies from place to place. When I've done change over for 
clients I tend to do it all late at night (well, early hours of the morning) to 
alleviate the amount of down time. Most places say it can take 24-48 hours for 
a site to change to propagate around the internet (basically cache sites update 
that means). But when I've changed sites, I've found it's as little as 5 
minutes locally or so. Then it just takes a bit longer to change around the 
world as cached versions get updated. But if a site moves or changes (or gets 
updated), this all happens behind the scenes, so generally runs smoothly.
Changing a Domain Registrar is pretty easy too. Once activated one registrar 
just asks the other for the Domain Name. And it swaps over. All pretty easy. 
Not much done on the clients end, all done from the middle man or business. 
I've done quite a few of them, and no hiccups with any of them. So all pretty 
easy.

Yes Wordpress is pretty popular for a lot of sites and people. I know quite a 
few people that run it and love it. One of my good friends runs his photography 
site through Wordpress and it's very impressive! And yes, they can certainly 
run a lot of things from it. Plenty to work with anyway. Lots to start with and 
it can grow as you need it to, which is very good.

Happy to help off list if I can depending on the queries, but no problems at 
all.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 4s

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**For everything Apple**

On 17/09/2012, at 9:21 PM, Chris Burton c...@it.net.au wrote:

 Hi Daniel
 
 Thanks very much for all the info you sent me, I will have a good look at 
 them all and think about what and how I need to proceed. 
 
 In regard to domain rego and hosting, are there any issues with transferring 
 from one company to another? For example, are there costs associated with 
 transfer? Your web hosting sounds very reasonable and comprehensive.
 
 I have heard a number of people speak in glowing terms of Wordpress and also 
 seen some photography sites that use it. I would need a site that 
 incorporates images, blog, and an order and payment system.
 
 Can I contact you off list if necessary Daniel?
 
 Many thanks
 
 Chris
 
 
 
 On 15/09/2012, at 12:19 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Web In a Box's info can be found here :-
 http://webinabox.com.au
 
 I also do web hosting and domain Registration as well through my subsidiary 
 business (HostingServicesWA), My domains are $45 for 2 years.
 You can see all the info here, for Domain Registration and Hosting:-
 http://www.hostingserviceswa.com.au/
 
 Wordpress has some good themes for Photography sites. Also Sandvox or 
 RapidWeaver are both quite good as well. (Wordpress is free). You can even 
 still do it in iWeb (though fairly limited to an extent now), but would be 
 enough to get your started at least. All these can upload to most hosting 
 services without a problem.
 
 Hope either of those help.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
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 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 14/09/2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Burton c...@it.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Muggers
 
 I recall someone recently (in the last few weeks I think) sent a post 
 regarding hosting and suggested Web in a Box. I cant find the email 
 anywhere so am wondering if you can help? 
 
 I had to ask Westnet (where it presently resides) if my domain name was 
 still current and they said yes as it was on 'Auto Update' for payment 
 every 2 years prior to expiry at $88. I think web in a box was quite a bit 
 less for memory, and the person who posted I think gave them a good rap? 
 
 I am beginning the process of having a web site for my photography and 
 wouldnt know where to start as there seems so many possibilities. I have 
 seen many very good photography sites online that have given me ideas but I 
 need some direction on this if anyone can help? Any good links or other 
 info I can check out locally?
 
 Best regards to all
 
 Chris
 
 
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 Director
 Western Whale Research
 PO Box 1076
 Dunsborough WA 6281
 Mobile: 0419 199 120
 Email: c...@it.net.au 
 
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Rob Phillips
G'day Mart and others,

This may be a bit heretical, but I have concerns how Apple is locking 
things down to its commercial benefit.

Let me give you a concrete example. I've just returned from a month 
hiking through Switzerland. (If you have the interest, check out 
http://www.everlater.com/raphillips1).

To prepare for this, I bought an iPad to: use to display Swiss 
topographical maps and record our track by GPS; to maintain a trip blog; 
to store and process Rita's photos; and do general web surfing.

The iPad was great except for one element. Photo management.  I was able 
to purchase an adaptor to download photos from the camera to the iPad. I 
had 15GB of DropBox space to backup the photos to the cloud. Everything 
was sweet.

Then I downloaded the first lot of photos, and I could see them on the 
iPad, but they weren't in the 'camera roll'. Only items in the camera 
roll can be synched to DropBox and Mobile me. By default, only photos 
taken with the iPad camera go in the camera roll.  The only way to get 
access to these photos seems to be to connect the iPad to a Mac 
registered to me, then upload/ download the photos to that machine.  I 
didn't have one of these with me!

Why does Apple restrict the functionality of powerful devices like the 
iPad so that it can only be used in ways that Apple determines, and 
which require other hardware.  The underlying OS should enable me to do 
much more.

I spent hours at nights trying to find apps to work around this, without 
much success. It shouldn't be so difficult.

I am concerned that I am being manipulated by Apple.

Cheers
Rob

On 17/09/12 9:30 PM, Peter Crisp wrote:
 G'day Martin, good dialogue on this one.

 Email me off line about Land Rover key fob replacement. I'm doing a battery 
 replacement myself and new shell, all for $40 I hope. I hope I'm not too 
 late for you.

 Sorry for hijacking but wanted to help a fellow mugger.

 Regards

 Pete
 petercr...@westnet.com.au


 On 17/09/2012, at 8:52 PM, Martin Hill marth...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Merv, my apologies if I expressed myself a bit too strongly in my comment.  
 I do in fact agree absolutely about the importance of ethical business 
 practices but feel the examples given in the article were just so inaccurate 
 as to damage the author's cause.

 I have been frustrated in recent years at the amount of unbalanced 
 commentary in much of the media about things like this. The continual 
 tendency to tear down those who do well that is such a feature of the 
 Australian psyche is unfortunately all too evident on the Internet as well.

 In the case of Apple it almost seems to be an orchestrated campaign for many 
 elements of the media to fixate on some manufactured negative issue with 
 each product release and blow it out of all proportion.  Examples include 
 the lack of a keyboard on the original iPhone, the non-removable battery, 
 the supposedly *hot* iPad which was cooler than most other tablets, the 
 Aussie 4G issue and now this $35 adapter.

 Where was the outcry when Samsung changed their adapter from their 30-pin 
 dock connector (which they copied from Apple) in the Galaxy S2 to the Galaxy 
 S3 without a free adapter for S2 owners?  What's wrong with buying a cheaper 
 third party adapter than Apple's for the new iPhone 5 - they're already 
 being advertised.

 Why should Apple give it away free? Apple already gives lots of free or 
 cheap stuff out - far cheaper OS update prices than Microsoft, far cheaper 
 app prices than desktop software, free iCloud services, the cheap 
 cloud-hosted iTunes Match service even for pirated music, free iOS system 
 updates, free Find My iPhone and Find my Friends apps, free Maps GPS 
 navigation app, free iTunes Remote app, etc etc.  How many gestures of 
 goodwill does Apple have to make? What's the big deal about this adapter?

 What other company has stuck with the same adapter and port on their devices 
 for a decade?  Why is there no outcry over the ridiculous number of 
 different USB port sizes and shapes out there that you have to buy different 
 cables and adapters for each different device? Why did I have to pay $400 
 for a new remote key fob for my Landrover().  ;-(

 It is this unbalanced commentary that just gets my goat!

 -Mart


 On 17/09/2012, at 5:53 PM, Merv Bond m...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 It is a common ploy to defend oneself by saying that everybody else is
 doing it. Throw in some adjectives such as silly, ridiculous and tall
 poppy syndrome to add to the mix. The issue of ethics in business is the
 sub-text of the article. At the more literal reading the author of the
 article was suggesting that a $35 adapter was a small amount for a
 company at the top of profit list in the world and would have been a
 gesture of goodwill to its devoted customers.
 Merv

 On 17/09/12 5:25 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 Well done Martin !

 On 17/09/2012, at 2:31 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

 This is the reply I posted to the article below:


Re: Proposed name change to Apple Users WA

2012-09-17 Thread Curtis Peter
Hi
I support the Committee in all of it's decisions (again)
I concur with John
Regards
Peter

On 17/09/2012, at 9:00 PM, John Daniels john...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Apple using Muggers
 
 I don't attend the meetings but I pay my dues and follow the posts.
 
 In my humble opinion (and I don't have many of those) we elect a committee 
 and they put in a lot of their time and effort on our behalf, so I accept 
 their judgement and decisions.

 
 If they have given due consideration to a name change then I think we should 
 let them get on with it and not raise multifarious objections .
 
 Cheers
 
 John
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
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Re: Proposed name change to Apple Users WA

2012-09-17 Thread Susan Hastings
 the benefits of converting to an 
 iMac or a MacBook. We would like to help these sections of the 
 community as well as those who make use of the full range of Apple 
 products.
 
 Even though we long standing members are quite comfortable with, and 
 likely even quite attached to the WAMUG name, a name that better 
 reflects our activities and sounds more accessible will help us 
 promote the use of the Apple product range and provide a obvious 
 support group for the growing collection of new Apple users.
 
 So while aficionados principally do our work on a Mac, increasingly 
 certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple 
 products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name 
 to Apple Users WA to better reflect this.
 
 This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special 
 Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be 
 such a Special Meeting. An email with details will follow shortly.
 
 Best Regards,
 WAMUG Committee
 
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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Ronda Brown
Hi Rob,

Perhaps I'm not understanding your problem correctly.
The iPad version of the Dropbox mobile app allows you to upload any videos or 
photos synced to your gallery.

1. Open the Dropbox App, link to account etc.
2. Click the Box icon on the left hand side, a pop up opens
3. Click the uploads tab at the bottom, which is immediately next to the 
settings
4. Click the + at the top of the uploads section
The app still asks for permission to access your locations, (because photos 
can contain location data)
5. Tap the photos and videos you want to send to Dropbox from the resulting 
photo gallery.
6. Once done select 'Upload'

Cheers,
Ronni


On 17/09/2012, at 10:18 PM, Rob Phillips r.phill...@murdoch.edu.au wrote:

 G'day Mart and others,
 
 This may be a bit heretical, but I have concerns how Apple is locking 
 things down to its commercial benefit.
 
 Let me give you a concrete example. I've just returned from a month 
 hiking through Switzerland. (If you have the interest, check out 
 http://www.everlater.com/raphillips1).
 
 To prepare for this, I bought an iPad to: use to display Swiss 
 topographical maps and record our track by GPS; to maintain a trip blog; 
 to store and process Rita's photos; and do general web surfing.
 
 The iPad was great except for one element. Photo management.  I was able 
 to purchase an adaptor to download photos from the camera to the iPad. I 
 had 15GB of DropBox space to backup the photos to the cloud. Everything 
 was sweet.
 
 Then I downloaded the first lot of photos, and I could see them on the 
 iPad, but they weren't in the 'camera roll'. Only items in the camera 
 roll can be synched to DropBox and Mobile me. By default, only photos 
 taken with the iPad camera go in the camera roll.  The only way to get 
 access to these photos seems to be to connect the iPad to a Mac 
 registered to me, then upload/ download the photos to that machine.  I 
 didn't have one of these with me!
 
 Why does Apple restrict the functionality of powerful devices like the 
 iPad so that it can only be used in ways that Apple determines, and 
 which require other hardware.  The underlying OS should enable me to do 
 much more.
 
 I spent hours at nights trying to find apps to work around this, without 
 much success. It shouldn't be so difficult.
 
 I am concerned that I am being manipulated by Apple.
 
 Cheers
 Rob

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Re: Apple: some food for thought

2012-09-17 Thread Rob Phillips
Hi Ronni

I don't have the iPad here - it's still with the boss in Switzerland...

Your description of Dropbox is as I remember it, with one exception.

I don't remember seeing the + at the top of the uploads section. I could 
only see the contents of my camera roll, not the other events/albums 
(e.g. Last Imported) which I could see in the Photo App.

I was able to use the iResize App to access hi-res photos in Last 
Imported, and this inserted the compressed images into the Camera Roll, 
where Dropbox could see them and synch them, but I really wanted a 
backup of my originals.

Cheers
Rob

On 18/09/12 9:45 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 Hi Rob,

 Perhaps I'm not understanding your problem correctly.
 The iPad version of the Dropbox mobile app allows you to upload any videos or 
 photos synced to your gallery.

 1. Open the Dropbox App, link to account etc.
 2. Click the Box icon on the left hand side, a pop up opens
 3. Click the uploads tab at the bottom, which is immediately next to the 
 settings
 4. Click the + at the top of the uploads section
  The app still asks for permission to access your locations, (because 
 photos can contain location data)
 5. Tap the photos and videos you want to send to Dropbox from the resulting 
 photo gallery.
 6. Once done select 'Upload'

 Cheers,
 Ronni


 On 17/09/2012, at 10:18 PM, Rob Phillips r.phill...@murdoch.edu.au wrote:

 G'day Mart and others,

 This may be a bit heretical, but I have concerns how Apple is locking
 things down to its commercial benefit.

 Let me give you a concrete example. I've just returned from a month
 hiking through Switzerland. (If you have the interest, check out
 http://www.everlater.com/raphillips1).

 To prepare for this, I bought an iPad to: use to display Swiss
 topographical maps and record our track by GPS; to maintain a trip blog;
 to store and process Rita's photos; and do general web surfing.

 The iPad was great except for one element. Photo management.  I was able
 to purchase an adaptor to download photos from the camera to the iPad. I
 had 15GB of DropBox space to backup the photos to the cloud. Everything
 was sweet.

 Then I downloaded the first lot of photos, and I could see them on the
 iPad, but they weren't in the 'camera roll'. Only items in the camera
 roll can be synched to DropBox and Mobile me. By default, only photos
 taken with the iPad camera go in the camera roll.  The only way to get
 access to these photos seems to be to connect the iPad to a Mac
 registered to me, then upload/ download the photos to that machine.  I
 didn't have one of these with me!

 Why does Apple restrict the functionality of powerful devices like the
 iPad so that it can only be used in ways that Apple determines, and
 which require other hardware.  The underlying OS should enable me to do
 much more.

 I spent hours at nights trying to find apps to work around this, without
 much success. It shouldn't be so difficult.

 I am concerned that I am being manipulated by Apple.

 Cheers
 Rob
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Re: Proposed name change to Apple Users WA

2012-09-17 Thread Ronda Brown
Hello Carlo and Group,

I don't wish to sound like I am complaining, because I am not; and don't intend 
to complain.
It seems to me there has not been enough research done for this 'project', 
before posting the 'Proposed name change to Apple Users WA' to the Mailing List 
Members.
I have already pointed out some concerns and queries in other posts, so won't 
repeat them.

I'm not so much 'worried' about a name change, if one is deemed necessary to 
promote and influence more people to join our group.

But Carlo's comment to my question -
/Quote my question:
 How does Apple itself feel about this name change, given that it wasn't that 
long ago (3-4 years I think) that they took back AppleCentre names from the 
Resellers? Are we (as WAMUG) allowed now to use Apple Users? 
Or is that something they would take back down the track as well?

On 17/09/2012, at 8:35 PM, Carlo Margio wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Will Apple allow this -- that we don't know. Trying the name is one way to 
 find out. 

The above comment made by Carlo, just does not make sense to me at all.

Why not do it the sensible way. And ASK??? Wouldn't that be an easier way 
than the expense and hassle? 
I would have thought the common sense way would be to ask Apple. Say, we're 
looking at changing our name to 'Apple Users WA' from 'WAMUG'. Is this going to 
be a problem? Then you have it in writing! 

If Apple come back and say NO, we'd appreciate you don't use Apple in the name 
then you know. 
If  Apple are fine with it, then you know it is ok to continue.
I personally would have thought asking is a better and easier way to do it.

You don't start a shop with the name Apple seller to see if it's allowed. 
You go through the exercise first to check. Research. Ask. Question. Plan.

Cheers,
Ronni





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