Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) 2010: Call for Proposals

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 21, 7:39 pm, Isabell Long  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 06:24:29PM +, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> > ~~ Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) 2010: Call for Proposals ~~
>
> >  * where: London, UK
> >  * when: Saturday 24th April, 2010
> >  * www:http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
> >  * last year:http://www.okfn.org/okcon/2009/
> >  * cfp:http://www.okfn.org/okcon/cfp/(deadline: Jan 31st 2010)
> >  * hashtag: #okcon2010
>
> Is the actual event open to everyone?  I'm just wondering whether I can go to 
> the event, it looks pretty interesting from the website's information
> on previous years!  :)

Wikimedia UK has funds available to sponsor any members who want to go
along to this or any other open content event - please get in touch if
you would like to apply.

Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK "Open" decisions

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Thanks for the tip - I'll give it a go

On Dec 21, 1:29 am, Brian McNeil  wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 00:57 +, Andrew Turvey wrote:
> >  "Brian McNeil"  wrote:
> > > From: "Brian McNeil" 
> > > To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Sent: Monday, 21 December, 2009 00:22:23 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain,
> > Ireland, Portugal
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK "Open" decisions
>
> > > This is the one that bugs me. It is technically possible to record
> > Skype conference calls. All that is required is one participant
> > running a call recording program.
>
> > Yes - I've been doing that with the "MP3 Skype Recorder" programme.
> > However, this saves it as MP3s, which can't be uploaded to the wiki.
> > So I then convert it to OGG using CyberPower's "Free Mp3/Wma/Ogg
> > converter" and the ogg wont upload either! All I can say is we're
> > working on it!
>
> Try Audacity for the conversion.
>
> Load up MP3, if needed do noise removal, compress to peaks, export as
> OGG and fill in the metadata.
>
> Never had a file done that way fail to upload. Plus Audacity is Free
> software.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK "Open" decisions

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One of the things that a few people have mentioned as a real positive
about the chapter is the way that decisions are made openly in
consultation with members and supporters.

The home page makes quite a bg deal about this:

"Open decisions

As an organisation promoting open knowledge, we also want to be
leaders in transparency regarding our decision making:

* Our constitution puts decision making in the hands of members
wherever possible
* We seek the widest possible membership base
* We are led by a seven person Board of Trustees, elected by the
members at the AGM
* All Board meetings are held in public on the internet. We publish
our Agenda beforehand and minutes afterwards
* We pledge to discuss all major decisions with our supporters
beforehand though our mailing list and our wiki
* We keep supporters informed through our monthly Newsletter which you
can subscribe to here."

Unfortunately with the pressure of too much to do plus some changes
brought in for efficiency reasons, some aspects of these have changed
in the last couple of months:

- Board meetings have moved from IRC to Skype, which we haven't been
able to open to the public or even publish the recordings afterwards
- We haven't been able to publish a newsletter since September
- There is little input to Board agendas or reaction to minutes
- Non-board activity on this email list, the wiki and in chapter
projects hasn't really developed in the way we originally hoped

I would like to ask how people see this who support the chapter but
aren't on the board. Are you hearing enough about what the board is
doing? Are you wanting to hear more? Are you happy with the amount of
input you have to chapter activities or do you want to get more
involved? Generally are you happy with the way the chapter is going?

Do any of these developments above matter to you, and if so, which
ones in particular?

If you do want to get more involved, what's the best way to engage?
Should the board use more, or less of:

- this email list?
- the wiki?
- direct emails to members?
- the monthly newsletter?
- the blog at http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/?
- the facebook group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5678482133&ref=ts?
- the twitter feed at http://twitter.com/wikimediauk
- anything else?

All feedback and thoughts are welcome!

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[Wikimediauk-l] Free content conferences

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Is anyone aware of any free content conferences occuring in the UK in
the next six months where it may be useful for someone from Wikimedia
UK to attend?

Thanks

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Skeleton branches

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On Dec 7, 12:31 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
> I don't think we need them until we are ready to use them fully. Do we
> have volunteers to be the regional chairs you mention? If they end up
> just being figureheads that things are done in the name of, I would be
> opposed.

Why? we have a resource - these names - that could be of use to us and
this is a way of unlocking them. What's the advantage in throwing away
this resource before we're ready to set up fully functioning
branches?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Skeleton branches

[AndrewRT]

Thanks everyone for the comments. To respond to three points raised:

On Dec 6, 5:11 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/12/6 AndrewRT :
>
> That's pretty much what I've been thinking, although I'm not sure we
> need it yet. I think we ought to let the members of each branch elect
> their chair, though (ratified by the board).

I think that's stage 2 - autonomous branches. Where you only have two
or three members having a full blown election seems unnecessary, but a
"skeleton branch" would be useful because it gives us a way of using
the name before moving to a full autonomous branch.

> > For the constitutionalists among readers, I'd propose we establish the
> > branches through an Article 28 resolution of the Board, ratified by
> > the next AGM.
>
> I disagree. I think Article 3.1 is better suited to it.

Article 3.1 would need permission of the AGM first and I'm not sure it
would quite fit. I'm talking about two particular projects that could
be started before the AGM.

As for London, although it may be a great branch in terms of running
activities - although we already have the London Wikimeet for that -
I'm not sure we could do anything as "Wikimedia London" that we
couldn't do as "Wikimedia UK". Besides, we didn't actually ask for
permission to use "Wikimedia London"!

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Skeleton branches

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When we were recognised as a chapter by the Foundation we got
permission to use names like "Wikimedia Wales", "Wikimedia
Scotland" (plus other language derivations) with the thought that some
day they might be useful to have. We haven't yet had the need or
opportunity to use them, but there are a couple of things coming up in
the pipeline where it may be useful to brand ourselves "Wikimedia
Cymru" and "Wikimedia Scotland" respectively rather than Wikimedia UK.

I was thinking through how we could do this, and i was wondering if it
might be a bit too much to just use the name without any kind of
justification for the Welshness / Scottishness of the organisation.
This is the idea I've come up with, which can be implemented with
minimal effort  and still justify, if we need to, to the outside
world, our use of the terns. Please let me know what you think:

1) All members would automatically be allocated to a branch when they
join based on where they lived
2) Any member could choose to switch to a different branch if they
wanted to
3) The first branches would be England, Wales, Scotland and Northern
Ireland (could discuss setting up more if the need arose in the
future)
4) The board of Wikimedia UK could appoint a branch chair (and more
officers if need be) from one of the members of that branch.

That way we could brand things:

xx xx
Chair, Wikimedia Cymru
followed by a contact address in Wales

rather than:

xx xx
Secretary, Wikimedia UK
with a contact address in England

This would be particularly helpful when dealing with, for instance,
Welsh language projects or devolved governments.

Some time in the future - size and activity permitting - these may be
able to evolve into fully fledged autonomous branches - or even
independent chapters.

For the constitutionalists among readers, I'd propose we establish the
branches through an Article 28 resolution of the Board, ratified by
the next AGM.

Please let me know what you think.

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia guide for teachers

[AndrewRT]

I forgot to mention - I was speaking to someone at the Wikimedia
Seminar last Thursday and they mentioned that their sister is a
teacher (11-16yos) and often has problems with students using
Wikipedia inappropriately (in the sense of repeating things that
aren't true). She said it would be useful if we could put together a,
say, 5 page guide, on the best way to use Wikipedia.

Does anyone know if there is anything similar already out there and
could anyone help out with putting something like this together?

Thanks


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Next board meeting: this evening, with a different format

[AndrewRT]

How does everyone think it went on Tuesday? Personally I found the
Skype part to be much more productive than IRC - it was a lot easier
to discuss potentially contentious and complex issues over Skype than
over IRC.

The main negatives were the fact that it wasn't open to our supporters
to listen to and we couldn't record it for the record afterwards.

I notice now there's actually a Skype extra called "Pamela for Skype"
which can be used to record. It's available as a free 30 day trial or
€18 to buy - something like that might be worth doing, particularly if
we could get one for free!

When we came to the IRC there was significantly less participation
from non-board members (not including our Head of Fundraising) and it
would be good to see how we could enable that more.

On Oct 21, 11:56 am, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/10/21 Angela :
>
>
>
> > 2009/10/20 Michael Peel :
> >> Due to technical limitations, it
> >> won't be possible to have this part of the meeting open to the
> >> public.
>
> > Have you considered using a free conference call number instead? That
> > way people can phone in any way they like, with Skype, or with a
> > normal phone, or whatever. It removes the restrictions on the number
> > of people that can call in and avoids people being forced to use Skype
> > if they choose not to.
>
> > I don't know about the ones in the UK, but I've used a couple of US
> > ones which worked ok. It cost the same as a normal call would (Skype
> > to the US is 1.4p per minute). I believe they have options to moderate
> > the call and mute certain people, but I've not tried that. Some also
> > offer recordings.
>
> > 
>
> That costs money. I would rather stick with a free option like Skype,
> which I think we can make do what we want.
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[Wikimediauk-l] AGM pictures

[AndrewRT]

Has anyone got any pictures of the AGM? If so, could you upload them
to the wiki at uk.wikimedia.org.

It would be good to have some pics so we can start to illustrate the
site.

Cheers!

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Chapter Agreement

[AndrewRT]

The Wikimedia Foundation has recently published its proposals for a
new standard Chaptar Agreement. They are hoping for all chapters to
replace their existing chapter agreements with this new one by the end
of June.

They have agreed that we are ok to publish the draft in a public forum
so our members have an opportunity to comment.

The existing agreenent is at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter_Agreement
and I have uploaded the new draft to  
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter_Agreement_Revision

Please let us have your comments either on the talk page there or
here.

Regards,

Andrew Turvey
Secretary, Wikimedia UK

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[Wikimediauk-l] Board report for AGM

[AndrewRT]

We're planning to do a brief Board report (perhaps 1 or 2 pages) to
the AGM summarising the acheivements of the initial Board.

Has anyone got ideas for what they would like it to contain? If so,
please comment here:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Meetings/2009_AGM/Board%27s_Report

Thanks

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Membership drive template

[AndrewRT]

I've put together a proposed tempate for sending round everyone who's
previously expressed an interest in the chapter but hasn't joined up
yet.

It's at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AndrewRT/WMUK#Join_up_template

Please let me know if yu have any suggestions for improvements.

Cheers

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Userpage template

[AndrewRT]

I've created a new template which members can add to their userpages
to advertise WMUK and encourage other people to get involved. Please
edit away if you can improve!

Just add {{WMUK}} to the top of your English Wikipedia or Wikinews
page (feel free to copy across to other projects as required)

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Media contacts

[AndrewRT]

One of the key things that the chapter does/will do is to do with
media contacts. I've started a section and a page on the wiki -
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#Media_relations - to record
what we do - please could you edit away!

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[Wikimediauk-l] Reminder - deadline for Board nominations is Sunday!

[AndrewRT]

Just a reminder that there are only 25 hours to go before close of
nominations for the new Board! If you are interested in running, all
that is needed is a quick email to tell...@wikimedia.org.uk with the
information requested at

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009_AGM/Notice#Nomination

regards,

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Becoming a Board member

[AndrewRT]

We had a chat at the Board meeting last night and there was a bit of
nervousness at the fewness of people who have expressed an interest in
standing for the Board. The applications are going straight to the
tellers so the current Board members won't actually know who's applied
until they're anounced in about a week's time (so that they dont get
an unfair advantage over other candidates) but from discussions it
looked like only two of the five interim Board members have applied
and the other three are looking to retire; two non-Board members are
also interested in applying and we don't know of anyone else who has
come forward.

One aspect which might be putting people off is the frequency and
length of the Board meetings we've been having to date. The initial
Board has met 23 times so far (nearly once per week on average) often
for 3 hours or more. Whilst this is probably necessary when we're
getting things sorted out, I'd like to suggest that the next board has
shorter and less frequent meetings. I think meeting once per month for
no more than 2 hours would be ideal, so that it's not too much of a
burdon on Board members and we avoid burning our volunteers out. At
the same time we can change the Board into more of an "oversight"
role, and do more "organising" work outside.

It's surprising what you can acheive when working to a strict
deadline, and our productivity does tend to dive after a couple of
hours.

Hopefully this will also encourage people who are thinking of putting
their names forward but are put off by the commitment of meetings.

What do others think?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Anonymous editing on uk.wikimedia.org

[AndrewRT]

I've started a poll at 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Water_cooler#Anonymous_editing_poll
on whether we should continue allowing anonymous editing on
uk.wikimedia.org. Please let me know your views.

regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK March newsletter

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 21, 12:24 am, Mickey Conn  wrote:
> The March newsletter has been published 
> athttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletter/March2009and is copied
> below for your convenience:

> 2. Annual General Meeting and Board elections
>
> We are pleased to annouce that the first AGM of Wikimedia UK v2 will
> be on Sunday 26th April 2009, starting at 12 noon.

Apologies, my fault, that should have been 1pm as per the AGM notice!

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC and Wikipedia - a thought

[AndrewRT]

Don't worry - it's being followed up!

On Mar 20, 11:38 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> BUMP!
>
> This seems to have been missed by the board - any comments?
>
> 2009/3/18 Steve Bowbrick :
>
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> > This is my first post here. I've been responsible for some discussion at
> > the BBC about a possible contribution to the Wikipedia project from the
> > BBC - I think it's come up on the list too. There's no hard proposal or
> > plan, just an ongoing discussion of the appropriate relationship of a
> > national public service content creator and the leading free knowledge
> > source on the net.
>
> > There's been some discussion of a 'BBC Wikipedia Club' for wannabe
> > contributors/editors who work at the BBC, about more formally gifting
> > content to Wikipedia and - more ambitiously - about hiring a 'Social
> > Media Editor' to manage the corporation's relationship with Wikipedia
> > and other open media sources.
>
> > Question: would it be appropriate for one or more BBC people with an
> > interest in collaboration to come along to the AGM? If so, should we
> > bring a formal contribution or just sit quietly at the back? If not, is
> > there a more appropriate forum we could get involved with?
>
> > Steve
>
> > Some relevant blog posts here:
> >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/09/the-bbc-should-engage-w
> > ith-wikipedia/
> >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/12/more-on-the-bbc-and-wik
> > ipedia/
> >http://commonplatform.co.uk/index.php/2008/11/14/matt-mcdonnell-and-sear
> > ch-as-a-gateway-to-the-bbc/
>
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> > 07768 257 570
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 18, 11:39 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> ... CC [Charity Commission] will almost certainly want written
> confirmation (unconditionally, that is - what we have at the moment is
> all conditional on us winning the bid)

The CC application form (http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Library/
publications/pdfs/cc5atext.pdf) asks, for charities which do not yet
have statutory accounts, for the "estimated gross income in the first
year of operation". The accompanying guidance notes (http://
www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Library/publications/pdfs/cc5btext.pdf)
go on to say state that "If you do not provide evidence that the gross
annual income will exceed £5,000, such as ... a pledge of funding ...
we will return your application as incomplete"

Hopefully we'll have these by the time the bid is decided.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Jimbo at the AGM

[AndrewRT]

Jimbo unfortunately has turned his facebook reply from "accept" to
"decline" which I guess means he pressed the wrong button! Pity!

Personally I'm most looking forward to the talks and the discussion on
the chapter's priorities.

The hustings should also be interesting as it will continue the debate
on priorities. The election will almost certainly be contested, in
that we've got at least six prospective candidates already and
candidates after number 3 need to get more than 50% approval to be
elected. Hence even if we get only seven candidates, still every vote
will count.

Andrew

On Mar 20, 10:15 am, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/3/20 Gordon Joly :
>
>
>
> > So what are the interesting parts of the AGM?
>
> > The BBC / Jimbo / both?
>
> The hustings might be fairly interesting, I guess it depends on how
> many people stand (if the election is uncontested, they will be pretty
> boring, however eloquent the candidates may be!). I'm looking forward
> to the BBC talk/discussion if it happens (which I very much hope it
> does). If Jimbo gives a talk as well, that would probably be quite
> good, although I think I already know Jimbo's views on most relevant
> subjects, whereas I don't know the views of the BBC, so the BBC will
> probably be more interesting.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?

[AndrewRT]

Thanks for the nudge!

I've been in touch with the organisers at the Brooklyn; they are
currently working through each of the 11,528 images to check they are
all copyright-compliant and otherwise ok. They haven't been able to
tell me when they'll be finished, but I'll keep hassling them!

Hope to be able to announce our winners by the middle of April.

regards,

On Mar 20, 9:11 am, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> What happened to Wikipedia Loves Art?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art
>
> Did I win?
>
> :D
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 18, 12:54 pm, "joseph seddon "
 wrote:
> I think that making preparations for both drafting a complaint to HMRC and 
> preparing an application to CC should start now. Even if the preparations are 
> only minor. Delaying either by any real length of time could affect Wikimania 
> significantly.

I agree entirely. Complaint letter has already been drafted and will
hopefully go out tomorrow. I think the CC application should be ready
to be put in the post the day after we win Wikimania? Even better,
anyone know a benefactor willing to give us £4,700? Or a few to give
us £1,000 each? They can even earmark it to whatever they want, just
so we get the income to qualify!

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] non-members at the AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 18, 8:19 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/3/18 Tom Holden :
>
> > To clarify (if it needed it), this was discussed at the board meeting this
> > week and we decided non-members are perfectly welcome to attend.
>
> Ok, a general invitation is fine (I've found the discussion in the IRC
> log, but I can't see it in the minutes - all decisions need to be
> minuted),

Good point - I've revised the minutes to add this in.

> but you'll need to give some thought to how you are going to
> conduct the meeting. I can see two options - separate seating areas
> for members and non-members, or voting cards. (If we have a very small
> turnout we can just rely on the chair knowing who is and isn't a
> member, but hopefully we'll get more people than that!)

Yes, we do. As will come clear when the notice is sent out (hopefully
Friday) most of the meeting will be informal talks, discussions and
presentations. The distinction between member and non-members will not
be an issue here. This also applies to the hustings. The formal part
where the distinction matetrs will probably only last about 30
minutes.

Voting for the Board will probably be entirely in paper form. I
imagine members who haven't already voted electronically will be given
a paper ballot paper to fill in and they will be counted by hand.

Voting for the resolutions will probably be a mixture of a show of
hands plus the electronic votes. In this case, the chair needs to make
sure he can distinguish between members and non-members. If the result
is at all close, the tellers will have to organise a paper vote.
Obviously we won't know till we get there, but I could see this
happening with your resolution but all the others will probably be
clear majorities.

> I know some people think I am being overly formal and strict about
> this kind of stuff, but the AGM of a limited company, particularly a
> charitable one, is a serious event and needs to be handled properly.
> This isn't just a bunch of people from the internet getting together
> for a pint and a chat about what we're going to do, it's an official
> meeting of the membership if a charitable company.

Indeed! No harm in doing things correctly.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Jimbo at the AGM

[AndrewRT]

I sent out a message telling everyone in the facebook group that the
AGM was happening and inviting them to the facebook "event". Jimbo
replied saying yes he was coming. I've messaged him to say did he
really mean that or did he press the wrong button, and if he does,
will he give us a talk.

I'll let you know what he says in response!

On Mar 18, 1:12 pm, "Brian McNeil" 
wrote:
> Then ask Jimbo: jwa...@wikimedia.org
>
> Not so painful?
>
> Brian.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
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> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of joseph
> seddon
> Sent: 18 March 2009 14:03
> To: wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Jimbo at the AGM
>
> This point I quickly mentioned on irc earlier in the week but noone could
> confirm it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gordon Joly 
> Sent: 18 March 2009 12:58
> To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Jimbo at the AGM
>
>  According to Facebook, Jimbo will be at the AGM.
>
>  Is this true?
>
>  Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Explanation of Motion to Entrench Chapter Agreement

[AndrewRT]

Tom,

Thanks for your response here.

Any member/s representing more than 5% of total membership (i.e. one
person at the moment) can propose a resolution for the AGM. The Board
is duty bound to circulate it. However, as special resolutions require
notice, they cannot be amended after a discussion at the AGM. The
exact text must be put as stated in the notice and will only pass if
it receives 75% support. Without the Board's support the chance of a
special resolution passing is, frankly, remote.

You need to decide how you want your resolution to be worded. If you
actually want it to pass, I think you should take on board people's
concerns and reword it.

The Board has suggested a compromise - preventing the Board from
unilaterally withdrawing from the Agreement. As already pointed out,
any amendment would require WMF approval.

Please let me know your decision ASAP as I need to send out the notice
in the next few days.

regards,

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[Wikimediauk-l] Volunteer teller

[AndrewRT]

One of our tellers has unfortunately had to pull out, so the Board is
looking for a replacement. Is anyone able to volunteer?

We have one teller, so if no-one comes forward we'll just appoint a
second person to count the votes at the AGM. However, it would be
ideal if we could get a second teller beforehand, so that they can
receive the electronic votes as they come in.

Please let me know if you can help us this way.

Regards,

Andrew Turvey
Secretary
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[AndrewRT]

We wont be sending the official notice out now till next week, so that
the Board has got time to finalise the resolutions, but you're welcome
to go ahead and publicise the date and location - Sunday 26th April at
University of Manchester Students Union.

Please get as many people as you can to come along!

Andrew

On Mar 11, 12:12 pm, Cormac Lawler  wrote:
> Great! So, one concern expressed yesterday was - if you were somehow unable
> to make it that day (due to sickness or whatever) - whether there would be a
> problem with non-"cardholders" turning up for the room? If not, and if
> people are happy to have the AGM in Manchester, I suggest we simply finalise
> the date, publicise the venue (UMSU), and leave the selection of the room
> itself to Sarah. Is that agreeable to all?
> Cormac
>
> 2009/3/11 Sarah McCulloch 
>
> > Like I said in my previous email, I'm a cardholder, so I just have to send
> > in the booking when it lets me 28 days in advance.
>
> > Dev
>
> > 2009/3/11 Cormac Lawler 
>
> >> 2009/3/7 Sarah McCulloch 
>
> >>> I can do it, but I can't book it now (room bookings at UMSU only go 28
> >>> days in advance). What capacity do you want?
>
> >>> Dev
>
> >> How sure are you that you can get a room, Sarah? (I haven't tried the uni
> >> yet - though I may be able to get something myself.) I also tried other
> >> function room options in central Manchester - I'm getting a 50-70 price
> >> range - which seems out of our league, right?
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Board meeting tonight + Wikimania bid meeting beforehand

[AndrewRT]

In case you don't have the addresses to hand:

board meeting: #wikimedia-uk-board
discussion: #wikimedia-uk
wikimania: #wikimania-oxford

On Mar 10, 6:40 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> Reminder: There is a board meeting on IRC tonight at 8:30pm.
>
> My main reason for this email, though, is to unilaterally announce a
> meeting to discuss the Wikimania bid before the board meeting (we
> tried doing so after the board meeting before but we were all asleep
> by then), so that meeting will be at 8pm. Hopefully enough people will
> get this email and turn up, if they don't then we'll have to schedule
> a meeting with a little more advance notice!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 9, 8:15 am, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> At 13:19 + 7/3/09, Andrew Turvey wrote:
>
>
>
> >Hi all,
>
> >Unfortunately we've drawn a blank with finding a suitable free venue
> >in Birmingham, so we've decided to move to plan B, which is
> >Manchester.
>
> >Does anyone have any contacts - for instance at the University -
> >which would enable them to book a room for free on Saturday 25th or
> >Sunday 26th April?
>
> >If so please could you reply to the list or to me directly asap.
>
> >regards,
>
> >Andrew
>
> Does
>
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009_AGM/Notice
>
> need an update?
>
> Gordo

Yes - are you volunteering :) It's only a draft at present - will be
finalised when we book the venue.

regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[AndrewRT]

Personally, I think a meeting in a pub or even a pub room gives a very
different impression to a meeting in a university room, and we need to
bear that in mind. Imagine giving a presentation or holding hustings.

Although we're only small now, I hope this is the start of something
big. I say let's start as we mean to go on!

On Mar 8, 12:42 am, David Gerard  wrote:
> 2009/3/8 Thomas Dalton :
>
> > Have you looked at non-free venues? A function room in a pub probably
> > wouldn't cost all that much, we don't need much more than that. B'ham
> > is better located than Manchester.
>
> Function rooms in pubs are frequently free if you ask nicely.
> Certainly WMUK v1 never paid for use of the function room of whatever
> that pub was in Borough.
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[AndrewRT]

The Board was very clear to me - only free or nearly free (i.e. <£10)
would do!

If we're not able to get a free room, I guess we can start looking at
non-free ones.

On Mar 8, 12:38 am, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/3/7 Andrew Turvey :
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > Unfortunately we've drawn a blank with finding a suitable free venue in
> > Birmingham, so we've decided to move to plan B, which is Manchester.
>
> Have you looked at non-free venues? A function room in a pub probably
> wouldn't cost all that much, we don't need much more than that. B'ham
> is better located than Manchester.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMF Chapter's Grants

[AndrewRT]

Thanks for setting up the page, Mike. Perhaps I should reword:

> > Unfortunately, the Board is pretty busy at the moment organising the
> > AGM and related matters, so we don't really have the time to organise
> > anything on this by the deadline. However, if any--- _group of people_ in 
> > the community
> > is interested and able to put together a proposal for a project, we
> > have some time set aside next Tuesday to consider it.

On Mar 6, 10:09 pm, Michael Peel  wrote:
> Can I disagree with Andrew's email? This sort of thing's best done  
> collaboratively, rather than coming from a single person, and that's  
> what a wiki's best at.
>
> I've just set up a proposals page 
> at:http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Proposals
> Please could people go there to submit ideas, flesh them out and  
> volunteer for things that look interesting? There's a rough template  
> on there for how a proposal should probably look, but there's no  
> formal process involved. If you can't think of anything, then there's  
> plenty of ideas athttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> On 3 Mar 2009, at 21:03, AndrewRT wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 9:33 am, Michael Peel  wrote:
> >> Hi all,
>
> >> The WMF has just announced grants for chapters: "If a chapter has
> >> work it wants to get done in the furtherance of our overall mission
> >> and goals during the fiscal year 2009-2010 (July 1, 2009 -June 30,
> >> 2010), but it cannot do it without financial support, the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation is inviting that chapter to ask the Wikimedia Foundation
> >> for funding."
>
> >>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants
>
> >> The deadline for this is 30 March. The value of the grant has to be >
> >> 500 USD.
>
> >> Does anyone have any projects in mind that could benefit from such a
> >> grant?
>
> >> Mike
>
> > Unfortunately, the Board is pretty busy at the moment organising the
> > AGM and related matters, so we don't really have the time to organise
> > anything on this by the deadline. However, if anyone in the community
> > is interested and able to put together a proposal for a project, we
> > have some time set aside next Tuesday to consider it.
>
> > All we need is a brief summary covering things like:
>
> > - the benefits of the project
> > - the funding requirements
> > - any other sources of funding
> > - the workload requirements (and who will be fulfilling this!)
> > - how the project will be organised
> > - whether its been done in the past and experiences gained
>
> > Please send any proposals to secret...@wikimedia.org.uk
>
> > Thanks!
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM Resolutions

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 3, 10:26 pm, James Forrester  wrote:
> 2009/3/3 AndrewRT :
>
> > The Board has an action to register with the Charity Commission as
> > soon as it's likely that our income will be more than £5,000 - which
> > will be as soon were announced as the winning bid for Wikimania 2010 (-
> > grin-), or, failing that, when our donations get to that level in I
> > guess 1-2 years' time?
>
> Hmm. Frankly, I expect us to clear the £5000 threshold in a matter of
> months - there have been lots of expressions of interest over the
> years. We on the old Board considered full Charity status to be an
> absolute priority, and our failure to achieve it was what led the
> Board to close WMUK v.1 down in favour of re-starting.
>
> Yours,
> --
> James D. Forrester

Unfortunately, the Charities Commission are currently not considering
applications for charitable status from organisations with a turnover
of less than £5,000 per year unless there are exceptional
circumstances:

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publications/cc21.asp#32

"65. We will only consider an application for registration from an
organisation below the minimum income in exceptional circumstances."

I'm afraid I think we have no choice but to wait until we're at that
level - which as you say, hopefully won't be too long.

regards,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMF Chapter's Grants

[AndrewRT]

On Feb 18, 9:33 am, Michael Peel  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The WMF has just announced grants for chapters: "If a chapter has  
> work it wants to get done in the furtherance of our overall mission  
> and goals during the fiscal year 2009-2010 (July 1, 2009 -June 30,  
> 2010), but it cannot do it without financial support, the Wikimedia  
> Foundation is inviting that chapter to ask the Wikimedia Foundation  
> for funding."
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants
>
> The deadline for this is 30 March. The value of the grant has to be >  
> 500 USD.
>
> Does anyone have any projects in mind that could benefit from such a  
> grant?
>
> Mike

Unfortunately, the Board is pretty busy at the moment organising the
AGM and related matters, so we don't really have the time to organise
anything on this by the deadline. However, if anyone in the community
is interested and able to put together a proposal for a project, we
have some time set aside next Tuesday to consider it.

All we need is a brief summary covering things like:

- the benefits of the project
- the funding requirements
- any other sources of funding
- the workload requirements (and who will be fulfilling this!)
- how the project will be organised
- whether its been done in the past and experiences gained

Please send any proposals to secret...@wikimedia.org.uk

Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM Resolutions

[AndrewRT]

On Mar 3, 4:00 pm, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> Where does the "registered charity" status and hence the application fit?
> At the AGM, or later?
>
> Gordo

As Tango said, charities can be of two types: those with an income of
more than £5,000 ("registered charities") are registered with the
Charities Commission and those under £5,000 ("exempt charities") may
register with HMRC if they want to reclaim income tax on Gift Aided
donations.

At the moment we are working on getting HMRC recognition as a charity
so we can reclaim Gift Aid - in fact I'm writing them a letter
responding to some queries right now!

The Board has an action to register with the Charity Commission as
soon as it's likely that our income will be more than £5,000 - which
will be as soon were announced as the winning bid for Wikimania 2010 (-
grin-), or, failing that, when our donations get to that level in I
guess 1-2 years' time?

I don't think there's anything we need the AGM to do in this regard,
although it will be mentioned in the Board's report and can be
discussed then if need be.

When we drafting our "Objects" clause in the constitution, we took
care to ensure that they were exclusively charitable so that our
application would be as smooth as possible.

Let me know if you need any more information on this,

regards,

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[Wikimediauk-l] AGM Resolutions

[AndrewRT]

We're hoping to make the business side of the AGM as quick as
possible, but does anyone have any resolutions they would like to be
put to the meeting?

At the moment the resolutions are:

1. Setting the maximum number of Directors to seven
2. Appointing those people elected under the Election Rules as
directors
3. Setting the Membership fee to £12 per year and £6 for concessions
4. Entrenchment of Election Rules
5. Adoption of Membership Rules
6. Entrenchment of the Chapter Agreement

(entrenchment is a legal term which means a future Board would be
unable to repeal or revise them without the permission of the
membership)

Members will be able to vote by email for these if they prefer, or in
person at the AGM. Full details are set out at
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009_AGM/Resolutions.

Also, does anyone want to propose any amendment to any of these
resolutions?

Please let me know if you have anything you would like to raise.

regards,

Andrew Turvey
Company Secretary
Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Citing wikipedia

[AndrewRT]

On Feb 24, 1:46 am, geni  wrote:
> 2009/2/24 AndrewRT :
>
> > Just reading the news online and came across this article:
>
> >http://euobserver.com/851/27587
>
> > Look closely and you can see the picture cites "wikipedia"
>
> > I know pictures often cite "AFP" like that - but is this enough under
> > the GDFL? If not, what is the procedure for reporting copyright
> > abuses?
>
> > Andrew
>
> Normally we poke the author of the image and ask them.
>
> --
> geni

"We" being who exactly? Is there a group of people (volunteers or
officials) who take it upon themselves to do this?

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Citing wikipedia

[AndrewRT]

Just reading the news online and came across this article:

http://euobserver.com/851/27587

Look closely and you can see the picture cites "wikipedia"

I know pictures often cite "AFP" like that - but is this enough under
the GDFL? If not, what is the procedure for reporting copyright
abuses?

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Website: admins and front page

[AndrewRT]

Thanks Chris!

On Feb 18, 9:22 am, Chris Down  wrote:
> I'll have a shot with main page designing later today.
>
> - Chris
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Michael Peel  wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > Would anyone be interested in being an admin on the Wikimedia UK
> > website? This would let you edit protected pages, block users, etc. -
> > the usual things. Obviously, you'd need to be approved by the board
> > (a quick and painless process). We are currently waiting until we can
> > de-sysop people (as a general principle) before actually turning
> > people into admins, but hopefully that won't be too long a delay.
> > Tango42, Majorly and Seddon already have the board's approval to be
> > sysops.
>
> > Also, would anyone like to come up with a new front page design for
> > the wiki? The one we currently have really doesn't look that good
> > visually. Please volunteer on the talk page for the main page, or go
> > ahead and make modifications straight away if you want.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social Entrepreneur awards

[AndrewRT]

Who's been leading the Wikipedia for Schools project in the UK?

On Feb 16, 9:12 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Andrew Cates :
>
> > Is Wikipedia UK pitching for the HBOS social entrepreneur awards?
>
> > I was kind of wondering about putting the Schools Wikipedia in as a pitch
>
> I don't know of any plans to. Do you have a link to more information?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Chapters Meeting

[AndrewRT]

On Feb 10, 8:47 pm, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
> It's probably worth pointing out that at the moment less than 7 people
> have expressed an interest in standing for the 7 seats on the board,

I don't think we should assume that this will remain the case. Out of
the five current Board members one has indicated he's going to step
down, one (me) has said he will continue and the other three have said
they'll probably stand again. Two people from outside the board at the
IRC meeting last week said they planned to stand making six already,
and nominations haven't even officially opened yet!

Add in the two other people - Kate and Skemny - who stood last time
and might do so again, also the five Board members of WMUKv1 some of
whom might now want to stand again plus of course anyone else we
manage to engage between now and then, and I think we'll probably end
up with more than 7.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Chapters Meeting

[AndrewRT]

On Feb 10, 10:38 pm, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
> Why are there seven seats on the board? I can see why there might be
> seven roles, but why seven people?
>
> Gordo

Just out of interest, which other number would you have prefered? Keep
the current 5 or expand to 9?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Next meeting - Tuesday 10th Feb 2009, 8:30pm GMT

[AndrewRT]

The next meeting will be help next Tuesday 10th - all welcome as per
usual!

On Feb 2, 9:08 pm, Mickey Conn  wrote:
> The board meeting is currently going on in #wikimedia-uk-board, and
> there is also a discussion on the Oxford Wikimania bid in
> #wikimania-oxford.
>
> Best Wishes
> Mickey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:08 PM, AndrewRT  wrote:
> >> Just to let you know the Board meeting today decided to call the next 
> >> meeting in a fortnight's time, Tuesday 13th January 2009 at 8:30pm GMT/UTC.
>
> > The Agenda is now available here:
> >http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2009-...
>
> > Please comment there if you would like to input into any item on the
> > agenda or would like to suggest something additional to discuss.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Andrew Turvey
> > Secretary
> > Wiki UK Limited
> > Wiki UK Limited is a Company Limited by Guarantee
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - launch event

[AndrewRT]

There was a good turnout today at the V&A for the launch of the
Wikipedia Loves Art project - at least 30 people came along and
everything seemed to go smoothly.

Staff from the V&A had laid out tea, coffee and biscuits for everyone,
were on hand to talk people through the registration process. They had
cameras ready to lend out, leaflets to give out and computers set up
so the finished items could be uploaded.

The event continues for the rest of the month - although no more tea
and biscuits! - so please continue to come down and snap away. The
normal Wikipedia "meet-up" next Sunday has been moved to the V&A - by
all means give me a ring on 07754 881 562 if you want to join us at
1pm then.

Thanks for your help so far!

On Jan 31, 1:28 pm, AndrewRT  wrote:
> The Wikipedia Loves Art project will start tomorrow, Sunday 1st
> February, with a launch event at the Victoria and Albert Museum at
> 1pm.
>
> The goal list has now been published 
> athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:w...@v%26a#prizes
>
> Hope as many of you can come along as possible - and happy snapping!
>
> Andrew
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: BBC Radio Wales interview

[AndrewRT]

Just had a listen - you did well, thanks for picking this up!

I guess the main message was flagged revisions are not a fundamental
change, just an extension of existing protection processes which you
put across well, along with the impetus for action from the senators.

Pity you couldn't get the Wikimedia UK spokesman role across and were
introduced as just a "wikipedia editor".

On Feb 1, 11:25 pm, Michael Peel  wrote:
> Not sure if this got through... apologies if it arrives twice.
>
> Mike
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Michael Peel 
> > Date: 1 February 2009 18:31:14 GMT
> > To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Cc: Communications Committee 
> > Subject: BBC Radio Wales interview
>
> > ... was broadcast today, and is now on the BBC iPlayer, see:
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00h9045/b00h903q/
> > mousemat_01_02_2009/
>
> > There's a bit at the beginning about Brittanica, followed by me on  
> > Wikipedia. Comments / criticisms welcome.
>
> > Mike
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - the Goal List!

[AndrewRT]

The Wikipedia Loves Art project will start tomorrow, Sunday 1st
February, with a launch event at the Victoria and Albert Museum at
1pm.

The goal list has now been published at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:w...@v%26a#prizes

Hope as many of you can come along as possible - and happy snapping!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

[AndrewRT]

My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC
creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they
still own the copyright to the photograph?

On Jan 29, 2:21 pm, Michael Peel  wrote:
> Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the  
> author died over 70 years ago - but it tends to be troublesome to  
> find out when the author did die. Others, especially any audio/video,  
> will still be copyrighted by the author. Assuming the authors are  
> still alive, we'd need to get their permission to release them under  
> a free license (we're a bit stuck with those where the author died  
> less than 70 years ago, though, unless anyone's any good at  
> necromancy...)
>
> Either way, there are a lot of cases where it will be non-trivial to  
> find out the copyright status, and it would be good if we could work  
> with the BBC to establish them.
>
> Mike
>
> On 29 Jan 2009, at 13:44, AndrewRT wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining
> > copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just
> > copy them into Commons?
>
> > On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel  wrote:
> >> This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content
> >> online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it
> >> might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to
> >> 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
>
> >> Mike
>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >>> From: James Forrester 
> >>> Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT
> >>> To: Communications Committee 
> >>> Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil
> >>> paintings online"
> >>> Reply-To: Communications Committee 
>
> >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
>
> >>> We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to  
> >>> play
> >>> in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
>
> >>> Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
>
> >>> Yours,
> >>> --
> >>> James D. Forrester
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> >>> [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

[AndrewRT]

Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining
copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just
copy them into Commons?


On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel  wrote:
> This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content  
> online in high-resolution form, so we could just grab a copy, but it  
> might be simpler / quicker / better publicity if we could get them to  
> 'donate' a copy to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons.
>
> Mike
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> > From: James Forrester 
> > Date: 29 January 2009 00:03:12 GMT
> > To: Communications Committee 
> > Subject: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil  
> > paintings online"
> > Reply-To: Communications Committee 
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/28/bbc-digitalmedia
>
> > We're not mentioned, but (a) good news, and (b) WMUK may want to play
> > in (snag a complete dump for Commons?).
>
> > Random thought. Sorry not very well thought-out. :-)
>
> > Yours,
> > --
> > James D. Forrester
> > jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com
> > [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteers wanted to count the votes

[AndrewRT]

I personally hope that all the current directors who want to stand
again will put themselves through the same procedures as everyone
else. I certainly intend to. As James says, otherwise they have the
advantage of knowing who else is standing before anyone else does and
that gives them an unfair advantage. I think it would not be a good
impression to give.

Article 17 on its own does, unfortunately, give different rules for
existing directors vs. new candidates. This clause was based on the
default articles which, as you remember when they were drafted,
generally gave more power to directors and less to members than we
were happy. We changed other bits but not this one.

The Election Rules outline a single process with no distinction
between existing directors and new directors. If an existing director
put their name forward at the last minute it would be a nightmare
working out if it was legal or not and hard to administer - what would
you do with all the proxy votes who had already voted in advance?

I'm also not sure what advantage there would be in sending the
information on candidates to the Board (or even just to the company
secretary). The Board is still overseeing the election - they appoint
the tellers after all - can't they just delegate it to them?

Andrew

On Jan 24, 10:56 pm, James Farrar  wrote:
> 2009/1/24 Michael Peel :
>
> > On 24 Jan 2009, at 21:53, James Farrar wrote:
>
> >> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton :
> >>> 2009/1/24 Andrew Turvey :
>  Hi all,
>
>  We're looking for one or more people who is able to help the
>  chapter by
>  volunteering to act as a teller for the AGM. Ideally we would
>  want one or
>  two people who could manage the process from start to end:
>
>  - receiving candidates applications by email
>
> >>> You probably want to make sure someone on the board receives those
> >>> emails as well, since it's the board that are responsible for all
> >>> this
> >>> at the end of the day.
>
> >> I would agree, provided that one of the Directors isn't re-standing...
>
> > Is there a reason why the information can't be cc'd to all directors?
>
> My past experience as a returning officer, as a candidate, and as a
> candidate's agent in elections suggests that allowing candidates or
> potential candidates a running commentary of candidates standing
> negatively influences the fairness of an electoral process - and this
> is particularly true when only a subset of potential candidates is
> getting this information.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright

[AndrewRT]

I've started a wiki page here: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Copyright_consultation
so we can coordinate our input.

On Jan 24, 8:35 pm, geni  wrote:
> 2009/1/24 Thomas Dalton :
>
> > 2009/1/24 AndrewRT :
> >> On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey  wrote:
> >>> The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a 
> >>> Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here:
>
> >>>http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not...
>
> >>> and the deadline for responses is 6th February.
>
> >> Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone
> >> who could help put one together?
>
> > Yes. Don't know.
>
> Well I'll throw up what I'm planning to write and you can see if you
> like it enough to try modify it.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org

[AndrewRT]

Looking at easyspace.com:

Taken:

wiki.org
wiki.org.uk
wiki.com
wiki.co.uk (but for sale)
wikiuk.com
wikiuk.co.uk

Available:

wikiuk.org
wikiuk.org.uk
wiki-uk.org
wiki-uk.co.uk
wiki-uk.com
wiki-uk.org.uk


On Jan 24, 5:28 pm, Michael Peel  wrote:
> I've raised a similar point to this with Mike, and I would be  
> extremely surprised if they decided that the wikimedia domains  
> shouldn't be controlled by the appropriate chapter.
>
> wiki.org.uk seems to be registered by Mintra (mintra.co.uk), although  
> it doesn't seem to host a website. wiki.co.uk is registered by D M  
> Robins Limited, but requires a password to access the site. As we  
> don't have a trademark for "Wiki", I would imagine that they'd be  
> difficult to get hold of; at the least we should probably wait until  
> we've got the website set up before contacting the owners about them.
>
> Mike
>
> On 24 Jan 2009, at 16:55, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and
> >> ideally, where we own the domain name.
>
> >> If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's
> >> very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly
> >> considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK
> >> should not host its information on this domain and should seek to
> >> register a different one - maybehttp://www.wiki.org.uk/?
>
> >> Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but
> >> where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a
> >> particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content
> >> but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership
> >> would not be particularly helpful.
>
> >> Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it.
>
> > I agree, it is far from ideal to have our website on a domain we don't
> > own. Even if we do get control of wikimedia.org.uk, we should probably
> > try and get wiki.org.uk as well and redirect it (since we are Wiki UK
> > Ltd.).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Uk Government consultation on copyright

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, Andrew Turvey  wrote:
> The UK government are currently running a consultation on "Developing a 
> Copyright Agenda for the 21st century" The website is here:
>
> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-copy/c-notice/c-notice-2008/c-not...
>
> and the deadline for responses is 6th February.

Should the chapter put in an official response? If so, is there anyone
who could help put one together?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk.org

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 24, 12:45 pm, Michael Peel  wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2009, at 12:37, Gordon Joly wrote:
>
> > At 11:27 + 21/1/09, Michael Peel wrote:
> >> Chris,
>
> >> I assume you meanhttp://www.wikimedia.org.uk/?
>
> >> We're currently waiting for the WMF to set up a wiki for WMUK, which
> >> we hope will be done imminently; the website will then be brought up
> >> to date fairly rapidly. We also don't currently have control of the
> >> domain names; we've requested that they be transferred from the
> >> current owner, but haven't heard anything back from him yet. I guess
> >> it depends on how long the WMF takes to set up the wiki as to whether
> >> it's worth replacing the content on the current website yet, although
> >> a note that the pages are out of date might be useful regardless...
>
> I've now heard back from James (he was away), and he's raised a good  
> point about whether the WMF or WMUK should have control of these  
> domains and the other UK domains for the WMF's trademarks. I've been  
> in contact with Mike Godwin about this; discussions are ongoing.

Wikimedia UK is an independent organisation from the Wikimedia
Foundation. We (WMUK) need a website of our own that we control, and
ideally, where we own the domain name.

If the WMF or James F want to keep control of wikimedia.org.uk that's
very disappointing and frankly very unhelpful - particularly
considering they're doing nothing with it. But if it is true, WMUK
should not host its information on this domain and should seek to
register a different one - maybe http://www.wiki.org.uk/?

Personally, I think setting up a website whose content we control but
where the domain name is registered to James or the Foundation is a
particularly bad idea. We would have full liability for the content
but control would be a constant struggle. Obscuring the ownership
would not be particularly helpful.

Either it's ours or theirs. If they want to keep, so be it.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Election Rules

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 16, 6:07 pm, "Thomas Dalton"  wrote:
> I have no particularly strong feelings on it..

Likewise!

> ...  Having two completely new boards within
> 2 months could be very complicated and confusing for all kinds of
> relationships. Obviously, those that won the original election stand a
> very good chance of winning the new one, but there is no real need to
> put them through that, so why bother?

I think if we can't even get three Board members elected with majority
support something has gone wrong and we'd need a complete rethink of
our approach and a lot of new blood. I think giving the members an
opportunity for a clean sweep would be worthwhile.

It's interesting to note that not a single director of WMUK v1 was
elected onto the Board on WMUK v2 - perhaps an example of the kind of
situation that this provision is intended to deal with.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Election Rules

[AndrewRT]

It is intentional, yes. The idea is you have a completely new
election, although we don't have to do it this way if we don't want
to.

On Jan 16, 5:02 pm, "Thomas Dalton"  wrote:
> > Details are here: Please let me know if you think they will be effective as
> > drafted.
>
> >http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_UK_v2.0%2FElect...
>
> > Comments / changes as always welcome on meta or this email list.
>
> As it is currently written, even those that do get over 50% would have
> to retire at the EGM, is this intentional? They've been duly elected
> to a 1 year term by a majority of the membership, I don't see why they
> can't complete it.
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[Wikimediauk-l] Next Board meeting Monday

[AndrewRT]

The next Board meeting of Wikimedia UK will be held on next Monday
19th January at 8:30 in #wikimedia-uk-board. All are welcome to
attend. Board members will be voiced but all attendees are welcome to
comment in #wikimedia-uk.

The provisional Agenda is below. If anyone has any comments on any of
these items or would like to suggest other things to discuss, please
let us know.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2009-01-19/Agenda

Wikimedia UK Board Meeting Agenda
Monday 19th January 2009 at 8:30pm GMT
Freenode IRC network, #wikimedia-uk-board

This meeting is open to the public: anyone can watch the meeting, but
only board members will be able to speak. Public discussion will be in
#wikimedia-uk .

   1. Constitution
   2. Apologies for Absence
   3. Minutes of Last Meeting
   4. Matters Arising
 1. Chapters Agreement with WMF (TH)
 2. Wikimedia UK v1 (AT)
 3. AGM Location (AT)
 4. Election Rules (AT)
 5. Website hosted by the WMF (TH, MP)
 6. Wikipedia Loves Art sponsorship (TH)
 7. Moderation of #wikimedia-uk (MP)
 8. AGM Documents (AT)
   5. Newsletter
   6. Treasurer's Report
   7. Secretary's Report
   8. Membership Report
 1. Membership Rules
   9. Timetable Review
  10. Wikimania bid
  11. AOCB
  12. Closure

Regards,

Andrew Turvey
Secretary, Wikimedia UK
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited.
Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.
The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL,
United Kingdom.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging new members

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 16, 3:17 pm, "Thomas Dalton"  wrote:
> >any more ideas for how we can spread the
> > word and sign people up?
>
> Throw bricks at forgetful people...

Well, we've another board meeting on Monday, so I presume Mike will be
reporting another membership form received??

:)

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[Wikimediauk-l] AGM location - update

[AndrewRT]

Just to update everyone, the Board decided on Monday to hold the AGM
in Birmingham, or Manchester if it was not possible to find a free or
low cost venue in Birmingham.

The rationale was that Birmingham is a central location with good
transport links to the rest of the country, London hosted the first
WMUKv1 meeting and Oxford is being considered for the 2010 AGM in the
run up to Wikimania 2010.

We are currently investigating the possibility of holding the AGM at
the University of Birmingham in Edgbaston. The university is close to
"University" train station, which, looking at trainline.com, is
directly served from Cardiff and is 7 minutes from Birmingham New
Street which is served by trains from London, Leicester, Manchester
and Sheffield.

Will keep you all updated!

regards,

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[Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging new members

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 16, 1:32 pm, "Michael Bimmler"  wrote:
>
> I wonder whether at times there should be "membership raisers" rather
> than fundraisers...

Thanks for your comments here - that sparked a very good point which I
wanted to mention as well.

At the moment we have 12 members/applicants but before the AGM happens
we need to encourage as many people as possible to join up. We've been
holding off a bit with this until the bank account is opened, but that
should now be ready in a matter of days.

Some ideas have already been put up here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_UK#inviting_people_to_join
but it's worth asking again - any more ideas for how we can spread the
word and sign people up?

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging new Board members

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 15, 8:19 am, "Michael Bimmler"  wrote:

Many thanks for your reply here Michael - very interesting to hear
your perspective on that!

> (In a perfect world, every board member
> would "work" the same amount of time for the chapter...

I'm not sure that's even desirable. Different candidates have
different personal circumstances and can be valuable contributors even
if they give different amounts of time. One board member who is an
expert, say, in legal matters and just turns up to meetings can be
extremely useful alongside perhaps a keen student who has lots of
spare time and spends 20 hours a week organising projects.

> In a newspaper interview, I once said "7-10 hours" [per week], which
> wasn't a bad estimate then. It has decreased a bit as of late (as I've
> been doing more ChapCom etc. stuff...and as I have started to
> work-to-earn-money)

By way of background I would add that Michael is the President of the
Swiss Wikimedia chapter, which has 62 members and had an income of ~
£23,000 in 2007. I personally wouldn't expect Wikimedia UK to have as
much income in 2009, although we would hopefully get to that number of
members and given we are setting things up I guess our activity would
be about the same.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging new Board members

[AndrewRT]

After the Board meeting yesterday we had an interesting conversation
in the IRC about whether different people would stand for election. As
someone said, we have agreed on seven places on the Board, but will we
get seven candidates??

This got me thinking - how can we encourage people to put themselves
forward for the Board? Personally I particularly want to encourage
people who may have skills in particular areas - media relations,
event organisation, charity administration etc. They might not have a
huge amount of time to dedicate to the organisation but would be very
useful in getting the chapter making the right decisions! It's also
great to get people involved who might have lots of energy, lots of
time and lots of new ideas to bring to the table.

Any thoughts?

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 10, 10:56 am, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
> How does that sound? Complicated...

Can you suggest any ways of making it simpler?

> ...and the competitor cannot control
> "stage 2". So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage,

Yes, I spoke to Pharos about this previously - he though it would be
best to keep the competition restricted to stage 1. Stage 2 is still
important of course otherwise wikipedia doesn't get to benefit from
the photos and everyone is welcome to join in!

> there
> may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not
> the judges).

Yes - that's the main reason why Pharos thought it best not to have
the competetion at this stage.

> And I thought that this was a team competition.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/
>
> "Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and
> sign-up online (posted soon)."

Yes I forgot that bit, you can also do it in a team if you prefer.

> Is the V & A competition a solo effort?

No. It's a bit complicated and personally I feel like I'm being pulled
in all directions! The project is being organised by the Brooklyn
Museum in New York, who have asked other museums to get involved.
Pharos is coordinating the wikipedia side in New York and globally;
the V&A are organising (although I'm not sure exactly what at this
stage) the London launch event on 1st Feb and my job is to advertise
the London event among the WP community and get as many people along
as possible!

Points will be added up and prizes given to the different teams who
participate at the different museums.

Hope that's a little clearer!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - a further update

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 7, 9:36 pm, "Thomas Dalton"  wrote:

> > Are you sure about that? I seem to remember reading the opposite on
> > the HMRC website - I'll try and find it.
>
> Yep, seems I'm 
> right:http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift_aid/mem-subscript.htm

I stand corrected! Thanks for putting me straight - and good news for
the chapter which has just gained another source of income!

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[Wikimediauk-l] Next Board meeting - Tuesday

[AndrewRT]

The next Board meeting will be held on Tuesday evening, 13 January at
20:30 GMT/UTC, in the irc:wikimedia-uk-board IRC channel. All are
welcome to join and contributute in the irc:wikimedia-uk IRC channel.

We will have heard the results of the WMF Board meeting so we will
know whether we have been approved or not; if yes, we can finalise our
bank account opening and start signing up as many people as we can!

The full agenda has been published here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2009-01-13/Agenda
and is copied below. If there is anything else you would like the
Board to discuss, or if you want to contribute to any item, please let
us know.

   1. Constitution
   2. Apologies for Absence
   3. Minutes of Last Meeting
   4. Matters Arising
 1. AGM Location
 2. Election Rules
 3. Website hosted by the WMF
 4. WMF decision on chapter status(?)
 5. Wikipedia Loves Art
   5. Newsletter
   6. Treasurer's Report
   7. Secretary's Report
   8. Membership Report
   9. Timetable Review
  10. Wikimania bid
  11. AOCB
  12. Closure

Regards,

Andrew Turvey
Secretary
Wiki UK Limited
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England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> >Now, where are the rules of the game?
>
> >Gordo

The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia
project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/
groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still
missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly
detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details
are set but just not put on paper yet!

>From various discussions, the outline seems to be:

People are invited to take photos, within the rules of the particular
institution. For instance, the V&A say no tripods, no photos in
temporary exhibitions (these are marked on the museum guide) and none
of work created by artists who are alive or who died within 70 years
(a precise statement of their rules will be posted to the wiki soon);
as most of their collection is older than 200 years, the last isn't
much of a problem as long as you keep away from the modern sections.
If you take a photo of an item, please make your next photo a photo of
the label so we can catalogue.

People will be given a list of about 50 themes. For instance if the
theme is "politician" (not giving anything away here!), you would get
a point for a photograph of a sculture of a politician. You can get a
maximum of three points per theme so the most you could get is 150
points. A photo cannot count to more than one theme.

Once taken, please upload the photo of the item and the label to
flickr. Add a name, description and tag "V&A". Also tag the "theme"
that applies to the photo. Crop, rotate, sharpen or otherwise edit it
within flickr as necessary; Change the license to CC-Attribution or CC-
Attribution-ShareAlike. Then add it to the WLA group.

I've just noticed incidentally that flickr has an upload limit of
100MB per month for free accounts. My 6mp camera creates photos about
0.5 to 2 MB in size meaning I expect to get around 100 photos for that
(50 images plus 50 tags). Is this likely to cause a problem? Can you
get round it by just creating three accounts?

Or should we say people can alternatively just upload the photo of the
item, as long as you transcribe the label onto the description?

Each museum will go round each photo tagged to them and check it
complies with their restrictions (e.g. living artists). I'm not sure
at the moment whether they will remove non-compliant images from the
group or tag them and ask the photographer to remove them from the
group. Either way they will still be there on the person's own
photostream so there's no loss if we need to reverse it. Also I'm not
sure whether someone will go round positively tagging those that
appear to be compliant.

We will also contact users who haven't applied a wikipedia-compatible
license to ask them to change it.

All photos must be uploaded with the right tags and license by the end
of February to get any points.

Once all this is done, we'll tot up the points and announce the
results. The three people who get the most points will each win a
prize. The person with the most points will also win the prize from
Wikipedia Loves Art, which is to nominate their favourite artist and a
group of wikpedians will create a Good Article on the artist.

We'll then ask people to nominate what they think is the best addition
to wikipedia, have a vote and the winner of that will also get a
prize.

Employees of the V&A and Board members of Wiki UK Ltd are not eligible
for prizes but are still welcome to take part!

After that, comes stage 2 which is to identify photos that would be
useful on wikipedia. I would expect to see a number of repeat images,
so we should try to identify the best photos. This is probably best
done by adding comments to the photo in the group. Once this is done,
transfer them to Commons using a tool like 
http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload
and link into articles. Also add a category like "Wikipedia Loves Art"
so we can keep track on the lasting impact we're having. This will all
be done in March/April.

ok, how does that sound? Is this plan going to work? Is there a better
way of doing things? What other details need to be decided to make
this project work?

regards,

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - a further update

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, "Andrew Cates"  wrote:

>
> ... Can you
> accept CAF cheques yet?

I'm afraid not. Looking at the CAF guidelines here:
http://www.cafonline.org/PDF/0650Z_pdfCollection_0708.pdf the charity
must be registered with HMRC before they will pay out on any CAF
cheques and it is likely to be mid to late February before that
occurs.

Please note also that membership subscriptions are not eligible for
Gift Aid (as distinct from donations) and so we cannot accept CAF
cheques for these.

Regards,

Andrew T

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Manchester meetup

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 3, 7:31 pm, "michael west"  wrote:

> Wikipedia is the encyclopedia *anyone *can edit. I have not been barred from
> editing and do edit under a wikiname that wouldn't  link me to my past.

I think one of the strengths of wikipedia is that contributions are
taken at face value for what they are, rather than based on who
submits them. The sourcing should speak for itself!

> ... Wikipedia doesn't mandate
> its editors to be truthful

>From what I understand no editor is expected to reveal more about
themselves - or their editing past - than they feel comfortable with.
Don't ask and don't tell is my view. However, I'm sure I would agree
that lying is ok on wikipedia - please see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Honesty
for an essay on the subject.

Regards,

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - a further update

[AndrewRT]

On Jan 2, 4:22 pm, "Andrew Cates"  wrote:
> Any progress on accepting direct debits?

We will be able to accept standig orders as soon as the bank account
is finalised which should be soon after Foundation approval next
Sunday.

I think the Board decided against direct debits as they were too
expensive, but I can't find the decision at the moment - cfp could you
confirm?

We're also looking into paypal which could be promising.

Hope this helps,

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Next meeting - Tuesday 13th Jan 2009, 8:30pm GMT

[AndrewRT]

> Just to let you know the Board meeting today decided to call the next meeting 
> in a fortnight's time, Tuesday 13th January 2009 at 8:30pm GMT/UTC.

The Agenda is now available here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Board_meetings/2009-01-13/Agenda

Please comment there if you would like to input into any item on the
agenda or would like to suggest something additional to discuss.

Cheers

Andrew Turvey
Secretary
Wiki UK Limited
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Registered
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[Wikimediauk-l] Attendence at AGM

[AndrewRT]

Hi all,

Happy New Year to everyone!

We're starting to look at the practicalities of the AGM and I though
it'd be useful to get an idea of how many people might attend in
person so we can book a suitable room.

Bearing in mind:
- all members will be able to vote - both for resolutions and for the
new board members - electronically without needing to attend
- we hope to have some kind of ability to allow people to contribute
to discussion remotely - but the details haven't been worked out yet
- the location is likely to be soemwhere central in either Birmingham
or Manchester (the decision on the city will be made 13th Jan)
- the date hasn't been fixed but is likely to be a weekend day at the
end of Feb or early March.

The main advantages of the day are:

- you get to see and hear the candidates for the Board and other
people involved in the chapter
- you can discuss and debate the priorities of the chapter with other
people
- you can hear talks from one of the exciting speakers we have booked
to come (details to follow)

Can you let me know if you personally would be interested in attending
in person and how many people you might expect to show up?

Thanks

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art

[AndrewRT]

Hi all,

I'm starting to get some more details together about the events at the
Victoria & Albert Museum that we're running as part of the Wikipedia
Loves Art project.

The V&A are organising their launch event on Sunday 1st February -
time to be confirmed. If you can come down that day or otherwise
contribute either in person or on wiki during February please sign you
name up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:w...@v%26a#participants

Please spread the word to anyone else you know who may be interested -
the following groups have already been notified:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:w...@v%26a#publicity and please
add in any other groups you contact.

Lastly, we're planning a short discussion on irc:wikimedia-uk to
organise the event and sort out how the V&A element is going to fit in
with the international project.

If you can think of anything else please post on the project talkpage!

Regards,

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Meeting tonight.

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 30, 6:45 pm, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> I will be in the room, silent... like an elephant!

Hope you enjoyed it!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 22, 12:53 am, AndrewRT  wrote:
> Informed by the discussion we've had here, I'm going to propose that
> the next Board meeting on tuesday

I should of course have said _next_ tuesday, i.e. 30th!

Just confusing myself again!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

Informed by the discussion we've had here, I'm going to propose that
the next Board meeting on tuesday decide the location of the AGM so
that we can start organising it.

There seems to be a broad consensus that the location should be easily
accessible by transport and should rotate around several places.
Therefore I suggest:

- Oxford is chosen at the location for the Spring 2010 AGM in the run
up to Wikimania
- Given that London was the location for the Wikimedia v1 formation
meeting, we go elsewhere for now
- AGM 2009 is held in Birmingham, or, if we can't find a suitable
venue, Manchester

How does that sound?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Minutes of the Wiki UK Ltd board meeting, 16/12/08

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 18, 8:39 am, Kwan Ting Chan  wrote:

> .
>
> There's nothing on there at the moment other than the standard items and
> matter arising from the last meeting.

Thanks for that.

With regard the Election Rules, I suggest these are formally adopted
either at this meeting or at the following one.

The current version (http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikimedia_UK_v2.0/Election_Rules&oldid=1317410) seem to have
broad support. In essense they say:
* 7 Board members
* elected under the Approval Voting method
* only those who get >50% are elected
* elections run by one or more Teller(s) who are appointed by the
Board and can't be candidates themselves
* voting can be either electronically to the Teller or in person by a
paper ballot at the AGM
* timescales set out for inviting candidates, nominations and election

The only remaining uncertain area is on the question - what do we do
when the electorate is opposed to most or all of the candidates. In
discussions on meta I've proposed three options:

(a) Elect the top 7 anyway (you could say like UK elections!)
(b) Only elect those that get more than 50%, except for the top
candidate who would be elected regardless and if he was the only
candidate elected their sole task post-election would be to organise a
new election
(c) Only elect those that get more than 50%, except for the top 3/5
candidates who would be elected regardless; post-election they would
have all the powers of any other Board.

Other than this is it ready to go to the Board for approval?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Minutes of the Wiki UK Ltd board meeting, 16/12/08

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, "Mickey Conn"  wrote:
> Hi -
>
> The next board meeting will be in two weeks time, on Tuesday 30th December.

Thanks for these minutes Mickey.

KTC - would it be possible to see an early Agenda for the next
meeting, so we can consider what items the Board may need to action?

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 14, 9:32 pm, "Andrew Cates"  wrote:
> ... for this kind of thing I think you
> should feel we want you to speak and we'll let you know if we
> disagree.

Even before we're officially a WMF chapter?

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] AGM - Agenda

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 14, 10:01 pm, "Thomas Dalton"  wrote:

> ... I would hope WMUK AGMs will be more than
> just the membership quizing the board and will actually involve the
> membership having a say in how the charity is run (and not just by
> getting to vote for the board).

Which opens another question: what should be on the agenda for the
first AGM? Of course we will have formal business, such as the
resolutions that need passing and the election of the new Board - but
I can't imagine that will take longer than half an hour. Given that
people will have travelled for up to 3 hours to get there, I think we
should have a bit more.

My thoughts are:

a) Hustings where candidates for the Board can make speeches and
answer Q&As?
b) Debate on the priorities of the chapter?
c) Report from the interim Board on the acheivements to date?
d) Presentations from various people on possible events to be held?
e.g.
- Wikipedia Loves Art at the V&A
- get someone from mySociety to talk about lobbying
- get a techie to talk about squid servers and what we can do to help
that

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[Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd

[AndrewRT]

I just wanted to hear everyone's views about the role Wiki UK Ltd
played in responding to the IWF issues.

The general consensus among the Board was that we shouldn't really get
involved as we didn't yet have chapter status. Individuals were
encouraged to do what they could but the Board decided to stay stum
itself and leave David and others to take the lead. Is everyone
comfortable that that was the right decision?

Presumably once Wiki UK is recognised as the chapter you would expect
it to take more of a lead?

Thanks

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 1, 12:37 pm, "Michael Shilliday" 
wrote:
> I have never commented here before, but why the need for a physical AGM?
>  Incorporated companies have been having online AGMs for years now.  It may
> be necessary for a small group of people to be sitting in a room together,
> but the voting members don't necessarily need to be.
> There may be a hugely compelling reason why this is necessary, but that's
> just my thoughts,
>
> MJS

First, welcome, and thanks for your contribution! Hope it will be the
first of many :)

All members will get an opportunity to vote electronically on all the
resolutions and voting for the new Board members, even if they can't
physically turn up on the day. I hope we can find some way of
involving people remotely in the meeting as well - perhaps through a
videocam - does anyone know what Wikimania does for this?

There are advantages in having in person meetings as well, though - it
gives us an opportunity to discuss things more informally and get to
know each other more that you can with an online meeting.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] delay on the bank account

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 8, 12:09 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/12/8 Tom Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > The Co-op are saying they can't open the bank account until we're approved
> > as an official chapter of WMF.
>
> Damn. We've been trying to make it clear from the start that we're
> independent, they shouldn't be requiring this...

I don't think it's the independence that's the problem. The thing is,
if WMF say no to WUL there's not really much point in the company
continuing to exist - most likely it would simply wind up and and over
to someone new, as WER is doing.

I can see where the coop is coming from - they dont want to go to all
the expense setting up a new bank account, issuing cheque books etc -
if there's a risk the company is going to dissolve itself in a few
months. They'd rather wait until the uncertainty is resolved.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 7, 9:52 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hopefully it will be done by the AGM, although that's a little
> optimistic.

Hmm, that depends when you expect the AGM to be. We cant hold the AGM
until at least 21 days after the bank account is opened and they
haven't even asked us for proof of ID yet. With holidays, that could
easily drag on into the new year. We'll do it as quickly as possible
of course, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if the AGM was
around mid February.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

[AndrewRT]

It seems the IWF are getting so much flak they've put a front page
statement on their website:

http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 7, 9:07 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't see how it taking quite a lot longer than we were hoping is a win...

No, indeed. Although it's good to have a clear indication of what kind
of timescales people are working to - personally I'll keep off opening
the metaphorical champagne until January!

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

[AndrewRT]

excellent - well done David, please let us know how it goes.

On Dec 7, 5:31 pm, "David Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward
> to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]])
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet 16 - 14th December 2008

[AndrewRT]

If someone could print out a few membership forms (http://
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/6/6f/
Wiki_UK_Ltd_membership_application_form.pdf) and take them along that
would be great!

Cheers

On Dec 6, 11:55 am, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The next London Wikimeet is at the usual place, and again on the
> second Sunday of the month at 1pm (14th December 2008).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_16
>
> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1375038
>
> Upcoming says:-
>
> 
> Penderel's Oak
> 283-288 High Holborn
> London, England WC1V 7HP
>
> * Drink beer and eat Sunday lunch
> * Chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy.
> [...]
> 
>
> I believe that drinking beer and eating Sunday lunch is optional.
>
> Chatting is encouraged, and often on matters of mutual interest.
>
> Near tubes: Holborn and Chancery Lane.
>
> Buses: 8, 242, 25 stop outside.
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Ideas - Flicker Oxford team up

[AndrewRT]

Good news! If anyone gets in touch with them, could you also mention
Wikipedia Loves Art at the V&A?

Thanks

On Dec 6, 7:38 pm, joseph seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Heya guys,
>
> Whilst looking for some interesting photo's I stumbled accross a flicker 
> group from oxford, they are very active it seems,
> they hold meet ups and are looking into running an exhibition next year. I 
> think that it is of vital importance that we get in
> touch with these people and see whether they would be interested in getting 
> involved in some way with the wikimania bid.
> Vice versa it could worthwhile to see if there is anyway we can assist them 
> with thier exhibition. I know we have alot on our
> plate in terms of getting up and running but I think that we have a damn good 
> chance of a successful bid and I would like
> to get hold of as many opportunities.
>
> Sedddon
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

[AndrewRT]

Hi Alison

On Dec 6, 11:12 pm, "Alison Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Addendum. The IWF state they have an appeals process, though I can't find
> further details in their FAQ. They are also associated with CEOP whom
> invited me earlier this year to talk to a conference they were organising
> so I am happy to discuss the matter with them on Monday. In my mind it
> would be far better for them to ask for the removal of the image rather
> than block an entire article. Indeed the article could happily have the
> later album cover and just refer to the earlier one, although I am not
> happy with censorship in any form on a personal level.

I access the internet at home through PlusNet - all wikimedia sites
are extremely slow at the moment and uploading images or posting
comments is frequently causing errors. If you could speak to IWF ASAP,
please let them know how much collateral damage they are doing!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for admitting members

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I believe most people would want to be a "friend" rather than a
> >> "member",
>
> > At this point, you're just guessing. The lists of people interested in
> > being guarantor and supporting members were pretty similar in length.
>
> If this is indeed the case, then once we have a "friend" level of  
> membership (hopefully after the AGM, subject to it being approved),  
> most people will sign up for that, which sorts out your problem.

I very much echo everything that people have said on it and I'm glad
there is such a consensus (even if not yet unanimity!) on this. I
don't think the Board should refuse membership to those that want it
just because the numbers reach a certain level. I hope the Membership
Rules that are finally adopted are drafted to prevent any future Board
unilaterally doing this and I hope the AGM votes to entrench these
rules when we meet early next year.

On the other hand, I could see quite a few people wanting to sign up
as a friend/supporter and not a member. The wikipedia projects allow
people to keep their anonymity, and many might want not to disclose
their name and residential address to the chapter.

I hope we can come up with some kind of accommodation for people like
this - letting them support and get involved in the chapter without
having to become a member.

Andrew


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 2, 10:08 pm, "michael west" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> m Wikipedian's aren't use this democratic type systems.  Can't somebody
> right down some names of interesting towns in the UK and just pick one from
> a hat? Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham and London all seem pretty
> reasonable and easy to get to.

The actual decision will be taken by the Board, but we value
everyones' input so far and will bear it all in mind when making the
final decision. There seems to be four credible candidates here -
London, Birmingham, Manchester and Oxford (in no particular order) -
which all look like they could work. Who knows, perhaps the first four
AGMs will be held in those four cities!

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

If you could that'd be useful!

Thanks

On Dec 2, 7:18 pm, "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as Birmingham is concerned, I'm at Uni in Keele and my home's in
> Shrewsbury, so that's fairly close, plus a load of folks in my RAF squadron
> go to Uni in the city itself, so I could easily ask them for advice as to
> the best places to look at.
>
> James
>
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> From: "AndrewRT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:10 PM
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 1:45 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> 
> >> Agreed. London, Birmingham or Manchester are all pretty accessible.
> >> 
>
> > My only thoughts on Birmingham is that we don't seem to have any
> > activists from there who could organise venues.
>
> > Andrew
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for admitting members

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 2, 9:11 am, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I assert that that model is wrong. Maybe not for inception, but
> certainly for the future.
>

Are you happy that the model works ok for when we have less than, say,
100 members? Given that we dont foresee being at that level for a
while, the model seems ok.

What model would you prefer for 100+ members?

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 2, 1:45 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Agreed. London, Birmingham or Manchester are all pretty accessible.
> 

My only thoughts on Birmingham is that we don't seem to have any
activists from there who could organise venues.

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for admitting members

[AndrewRT]

On Dec 1, 7:05 pm, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But really there are two: directors and members, surely?

I suppose you could think about it like this, yes, but this could
confuse people.

Legally speaking the members are the owners of the organisation, who
meet annually and elect the trustee/directors who manage the company
from day to day.

You sometimes have organisations which have different classes of
membership - say one restricted class with a hundred votes per member
and another general one with one vote per member. That way the holders
of the restricted class stay in control of the organisation. I
understand Google has that kind of corporate structure. One charity I
acted for a while ago had a list of supporters but kept the actual
legal members to only the directors.

You can choose the model that best represents what you want to
acheive. At the moment Wiki UK has just two levels - the Trustee/
Directors and Members.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

On Nov 30, 11:03 pm, "Sarah McCulloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If you want to meet in Manchester I may be able to provide meeting space for
> up to 200 people in our student union/university depending on time of day.

Many thanks for the offer! Let's see what people say about location
and we may contact you later to follow this up. Would there be a
charge for this or would it be free?

Andrew

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[Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[AndrewRT]

At the last Board meeting, one of the matters that was briefly
discussed what where the AGM in Jan/Feb should be held.

London would seem an obvious option for me - although not
geographically central, it is easy to get to from all parts of the
country,

Oxford would also be a good choice, as its the location for our
Wikimania 2010 bid so would be a good opportunity to familiarise
ourselves with the city (and have some experience organising an event
- albeit much smaller event - there)

I guess other cities that are fairly central could be candidates too -
Birmingham was mentioned as was Manchester which is fairly central
when looking at the whole of the UK rather than just England.

Has anyone got any views on this?

This probably wont be decide for a few weeks yet, but would be good to
get peoples' views.

Thanks

Andrew

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for admitting members

[AndrewRT]

On Nov 30, 9:36 pm, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not a problem to have 1000s of guarantor members? Is that what you mean?

I don't understand - why would it be a problem having over 1,000
members? I think it would be fantastic, personally,

Andrew

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