[WISPA] some legislator and legislation FYI

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I dunno if this will help anyone or not, yet we received this today after
filing last week as requested on the list(s).

***

Thank you for contacting me on network neutrality. I appreciate hearing from
you on this important issue. 

I co-sponsored the Snowe-Dorgan 'Internet Freedom Preservation Act' (S.
2917) because I believe that when it comes to the future of the Internet,
there is nothing more important than preserving a system that fosters
innovation and is free from the discriminatory practices that may stifle
competition and restrict access to the marketplace of ideas. It is urgent
that Congress take action now because after last year's U.S. Supreme Court
decision and subsequent rule issued by the Federal Communications Commission
(FCC) to deregulate broadband over phone lines, there is no law that
prevents network operators from giving its own content and services
preferential treatment over that offered by unaffiliated parties. 

Last August, at the same time it deregulated broadband over phone lines,
also known as DSL, the FCC adopted four net neutrality principles. They are:


To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and
interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to
access the lawful Internet content of their choice. 

To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and
interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to run
applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law
enforcement. 

To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and
interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to
connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network. 

To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and
interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to
competition among network providers, application and service providers, and
content providers. 

While these principles were an important first step, they do not fully
address the range of concerns, and more importantly are not enforceable by
law or regulation. 

As you may know, on June 8, 2006, the House of Representatives passed the
"Communications Opportunity, Promotion, and Enhancement Act" (COPE), which
grants the FCC authority to enforce its August 2005 network neutrality
principles in complaint proceedings. In addition, COPE would establish fines
of up to $500,000 per violation and require the FCC to resolve network
neutrality complaints within 90 days. A stronger net neutrality amendment,
addressing the issue of "non-discrimination" was offered and defeated at the
Energy and Commerce Committee mark up of the COPE Act as well as on the
House floor. 

In the Senate, on May 1, 2006 Senator Stevens, Chairman of the Senate
Commerce Committee, introduced the Communications, Consumer's Choice, and
Broadband Deployment Act (S. 2686). The first version of the Act only
required the FCC report annually to Congress on net neutrality and make
recommendations if necessary. Even though subsequent drafts of the Act
improved on the first version by adopting language closer to House-passed
language on net neutrality, overall, the net neutrality provisions in S.
2686 still fell far short of what I believe is necessary to protect
consumers and businesses that rely on the Internet. 

At the Senate Commerce Committee mark up of the Act, I co-sponsored an
amendment with Senators Snowe, Dorgan, Boxer, and Kerry that would add a
critical fifth principle to what the FCC adopted last year and make all the
principles enforceable. The fifth principle is a "non-discrimination
principle" that states simply "end users shall be entitled to service from
each broadband Internet access provider that does not discriminate in the
carriage and treatment of Internet traffic based on the source, destination,
or ownership of such traffic". 

After a long debate in the Commerce Committee on June 28th, the amendment
failed on an 11 to 11 vote. The Act was subsequently reported out of
Committee to the full Senate without my support, largely due to the lack of
"non-discrimination" net neutrality amendment. Please be assured I will keep
your views in mind and continue to fight for a fair, enforceable, net
neutrality language to be included into the Act if and when it gets to the
Senate floor. 

Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter.
Finally, you may be interested in signing up for my weekly update for
Washington state residents. Every Monday, I provide a brief outline about my
work in the Senate and issues of importance to Washington state.  If you are
interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at
http://cantwell.senate.gov .  Please do not hesitate to contact me in the
future if I can be of further assistance. 

Sincerely, 
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator

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Re: [WISPA] Managing CPE in routed network

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I will echo Mac's comments with just a couple of modifications. 

I also put 95% of my customers on private IP addresses, and that has worked 
wonderfully.  I have a separate subnet for every access point, and this has 
done a great job of keeping problems isolated and making troubleshooting 
much easier, even though it has made my routing tables a bit complicated.  
FWIW, I started with 192.168.254.0/24 and am working my way down from there 
- that way I have little chance of intefering with a default network setting 
on a client router.  I'm at 192.168.189.0/24 right now, so I have quite a 
ways to go before filling it all up. 

When customers need public IP addresses, the first thing that I do is try a 
1:1 NAT.  That keeps the customer on the private side.  We have done this 
for a few people who are using VOIP and that seems to help them maintain 
better VOIP connections.   If 1:1 will not work, then I set up a small 
routed subnet of public IP addresses on the sector.  More routing 
complications - yes - but it is good design and conserves public IP 
addressing space.  I have around 1300 customers, and three public class C 
networks spread out across 60 APs to give you and idea. 

For management of CPE radios, I have done a couple of things that have made 
it pretty simple.  My billing software (freeside) automatically assigns an 
IP address for the customer, and then one for the CPE.  We generally give 
the customer an even IP address and then their CPE radio is the odd number 
right above it (i.e. 192.168.250.2 is a customer, 192.168.250.3 is their 
CPE).   I like this a lot better than having a separate subnet for the CPE 
radios.  My home office and our main office are both on public IP addresses, 
but we are behind the router that does the NAT translations, so I can ping 
any private IP address on my network even though I have a public IP.   That 
makes it simple to manage customer radios from those two locations.  On the 
rare occasion where I need to get access to a CPE from outside my network, I 
have set up 1:1 NAT rules specifically for the particular radio. 

Anyway, that is what works for me. 


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Mac Dearman writes: 

Jason, 

  


   I had one of the largest bridged networks ever as I cover 15-18% of the
State with wireless. I can tell you a few things about bridging-vs-routing
and I aint getting into that, but I can tell you that I don't think you will
want a totally static routed network either. That is not necessary unless
you have 50-60 clients to the AP and have multiple hops with that type of
traffic. You do need to be in a routed environment today, but IMHO not in
the way the majority would steer you. 

  


Ok, this may be a simple question, but I'm trying to figure the best way to
do this.  My wireless network is currently all bridged with three different
POP's (all statically assigned private IP's).  I'm getting requests for
public IP addresses and as I add more clients, I feel like I'm really going
to need to have a routed network.  

  


There are many ways to accomplish what you need to have done and I suggest
that you look at each one of the suggestions that will have been made and
get a good understanding of what will be required down the road to continue
what you start. There are a couple very simple solutions that will work, but
then there are many ways to accomplish the same task using static routing. 

  


1.  Simplest and fastest (maybe best) is to use layer 2 switches
utilizing VLANS. You can get a switch like a ($250.00)  Linksys SRW224G4
(naturally there are better but that will work fine) as there are whole
Counties utilizing networks with the Linksys switches and routing and they
aren't even wireless, but fiber!  Arlington County Virginia is just one
example and they do the back up for the Pentagon and they are a huge
completely bridged network.
2.  Keep your bridged environment between your APs and your clients, but
route the backbone to all of your towers. It will break up the broadcast
packets...etc from tower to tower, will segment each tower and will not
allow a single clients virus to sweep through your entire network and have
rolling outages. It also keeps you from having to use 10 subnets/ip ranges
for 3 towers and allows for unlimited growth potential. 

  


My biggest question is, how do you manage your CPE remotely in a routed
network?  Right now I'm pretty much 90% Tranzeo gear (mixture of CPE-15's
and CPQ gear).  If a customer calls with performance or other problems, I'm
able to log into their CPE from here to see what's going on from that end.
I would much rather maintain that ability but not sure how to do that with a
routed network.   

  


I understand this question as only another etherant/Tranzeo CPE user would
:)  Once you enter a routed environment on the backhaul or otherwise - your
scan utility will not scan but to the first router where it will loose its
ability to go any farther as the scan tool

[WISPA] Amazon Wireless coming soon??

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http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-amazon-globalstar-20130823,0,4792322.story

Looks like they are trying to get a Wifi channel opened up that we could be 
using. They threw the term "Managed" in there as well.

Curt

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

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I like to assign a /24 to each access point to cover all of the IP
addresses needed for customers and CPE radios.  No need to have public IP
addresses on a CPE.   So if you use publics for customers, you have to
setup another subnet of privates for the CPE radios.   More complexity.  
If you do publics, that means a minimum of two IPs on each end user subnet.
 That is kind of a waste.

PPPoE is another point of failure and complexity both at the core and at
the customer.   No desire to go there.

Plus, if someone wants a public IP for their gaming or VPN or security
system, I charge an extra $9.95/month for it.

More cheddar!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:55:05 -0600, Sam Tetherow 
wrote:
> You can do all the routing magic with PPPoE (has it's own cost).  Or 
> with dynamic routing (OSPF and BGP).
> 
> You can easily firewall the customers so they look just like a NATed IP 
> (basically drop all !related !established traffic).
> 
> I give publics because I got tired of users complaining about strict NAT

> on their gaming consoles and issues with crappy VPNs.
> 
> Also go tired of managing 1-1 NATs for the ever growing list of 
> customers with security cameras, remote light controls and other home 
> automation/security products.  It still boggles my mind that I have 
> customers that have home security systems and cameras installed, but 
> they don't lock their doors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/31/2013 02:09 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> Why would you give customers a public IP?   That is nuts as far as I 
>> am concerned.   Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple 
>> towers, you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely 
>> separate for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route 
>> edge traffic to multiple backbone providers, you can move between 
>> backbone providers without having to re-ip all customers, customers 
>> are not exposed to external virus traffic...
>>
>> I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome. I see no 
>> reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>> On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Your customers don't get a public IP?
>>>
>>> I'll never understand why people do this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>

>>> *From: *"Matt Larsen - Lists" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
>>>
>>> This last year, we finished "unification" of all our rate plans so 
>>> that we would have consistency across our network.   At this time 
>>> last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets 
>>> of services as part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for 
>>> $49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next 
>>> to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public 
>>> IP.   Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or 
>>> dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about 
>>> the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same 
>>> price.   At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans 
>>> with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they 
>>> were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were 
>>> not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles.
>>>
>>> What we ended up doing was this:
>>>
>>> 1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds 
>>> at the same prices
>>> 2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
>>> speeds for the same prices
>>> 3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
>>> them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
>>> speed package with the public IP added to it
>>> 4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package 
>>> that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers 
>>> were given the choice of opting out of the plan
>>>
>>> After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
>>> service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
>>> other sites 

[WISPA] Santa Rosa CA

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Is there anyone in the Santa Rosa, California area. One of our  
customers needs assistance locally for their Meraki Wifi network.  
Please contact jdipa...@cielosystems.net for further detail.

thanks,

Mike Goicoechea
m...@cielosystems.net
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road

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Mark, 

While I can appreciate the perspective that you are coming from in your 
desire to not fill out the Form 477, I think you are completely off base. 

This is an information gathering form, not an invitation to regulation.  
Government needs information to put together policy.  If we can't document 
that our industry is making some kind of impact on the digital divide and 
building something of value to the public, then how can we expect to get any 
more spectrum?  This is the closest thing to a census for our industry.  The 
census numbers are used to develop policy, define failure or success and 
attack or defend positions. 

If you think that changing the name of the kind of service you offer and 
pretending to be ignorant of the need to fill this form out is going to be 
the best way for you to proceed, then you might want to consider relocating 
to Montana.  There is a well established community there that doesn't 
believe in paying taxes, hoards guns and practices all kinds of 
anti-establishment activities.  You can probably get a great deal on T. 
Kaczynski's cabin out there. 

If we are going to pick a fight with the administration, lets do it over 
something meaningful - not a frickin informational form! 


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Mark Koskenmaki writes: 



- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road 




Mark,
I know what you think about the government and that it will not change.
I am no different than you in my belief that a hands off approach is
best. I mean that wholeheartedly. There is one distinct difference
between you and me. I have resolved myself to know that the government
has made the Internet and broadband a policy issue in all branches and
at all levels. I see state and federal laws being made, judicial cases
being tried in court, loans and grants issued and mandates being
executed every single day. In short, the battle you are trying to fight
is lost.


I don't think all is lost... not yet.   I've been trying to make the point
there's STILL a long ways downhill... Let's start resisting. 


I will never tell you that you are not entitled to believe what

you want and take whatever stand you feel is justified so long as it
does not harm me or others. However, I will not accept your position as
a direction for my company and I will oppose it within the WISPA
organization because I believe your attempts to ignore FCC requirements
are dangerous and anti-productive to our efforts to interface with the
government to make sure policy interests are represented on behalf of
the WISP industry.


I've not advocated "ignoring" them.   I am advocating we collectively tell
the FCC that is NOT proper for them to demand that much detail of our
businesses and customers, since they do NOT regulate our access, operation,
etc.   They have no legal oversight, in my view, and we should make this
clear to them.   That is the precise opposite of "ignoring" them.   That's
taking proactive action and doing what we're here to do...  tell THEM what
we think! 


As far as this goes, I would happily give this info to WISPA, and support
WISPA's gathering of demographic info that the FCC seems to want, as an
alternative to federal intrusion.   Just so long as what I consider to be
confidential information doesn't go anywhere else, I"m fine with it. 


 Ignoring and accusing those you wish to influence is

bad politics, Mark.


Yes, it is.  Why are you accusing me, then, of things I have not done? 


 That is why I am aggressively countering your

position on this publicly. I personally wish that your snubbing of the
FCC was done outside of WISPA public list servers.


Really.   If it can't even be asked and debated, what people think about the
idea, then WISPA long ago lost its purpose, before it got started.This,
after all, IS a public list, and if people cannot air what they think of
something here, then nowhere can it be done to any purpose, and apparently,
from now on, WISPA lists are only for
non-disagreeing-with-John-Scrivener-conversations?I don't think you
intend that.  So let's not get carried away.  That WISPA members vehemently
disagree with something the FCC took upon itself to do SHOULD be a matter of
public record.   And if the membership wants,  an official position by WISPA
should probably be publicly made, as well. 


 This is MY position

though so do as you please for now. Take heed that I will lobby for your
public stance of breaking the law to become a basis for punitive action
within WISPA in the future if a majority within this organization agree
with me. If all of WISPA thinks we should allow the list to be used to


So, if I rename my services, and call it something other than broadband
access, 

[WISPA] FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity

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FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and
Cybersecurity of National Broadband plan:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2133A1.pdf

 




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[WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?

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We see these footers stating "this information is confidential" or "if you
get this email by mistake." I personally like that one, if you do not who
you are sending it to.tough luck.  

 

What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails?  No, in confidential
comment, can that be repeated?

 

In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing
the other party!  I always thought that there had to be that beep warning
letting you know.watch out.

Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing
feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right.  Frankly, I did not
care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind
and rewind.

 

But imagine this rule and compare it to email.  It is hard to do since these
rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a
federal level.

 

But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a "confidentiality notice"
is it considered privileged?

 

Victoria Proffer

www.StLouisBroadband.com

314-974-5600

 

 

 

 




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[WISPA] Prefab Tower Foundations

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A few months back there was a tread about this, but I can't seem to locate
it.

 

It is about a company that is manufacturing prefab foundations for tower
sites.  Anyone have a link or experience?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

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The ARRA specifically states "rural wireless", I would think the telcos are
going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong.

A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies
and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on.

If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with
cable companies.

I think one of the things that should be defined is "rural wireless" and the
rules to play in that field.   
For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are
considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs.

Thanks, 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: legislat...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

Hi All,

I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again

If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we 
tell the government?

I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all.  Did my last 
post fail to make it through?  Or should we not give any input into the 
process if given the chance?  We'll just let the telco's get all of it then?

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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

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StarOS will meet the specs of what you need to do.  Two X4000 radios with 
dual pol panels will run full-duplex around the 50-55meg level. 

http://www.star-os.com/store/ 

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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

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LOL, riding his unicycle...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

http://www.f-tech.net/
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm
l


News from the past!  Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today.

Rick

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

Too many witnesses

I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber..

-B-


Rick Harnish wrote:
> I remember that too!  I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel
waiting
> out back of the office.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
> I "F-bombed" a guy once on "isp-wireless" and thought it was offlist.  
> Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses 
> except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen
>
> So I know the feeling "REAL WELL". I was surprised at the amount of 
> offlist messages I got after that saying things like "too funny" and 
> "way to go".
>
> 
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>   
>> At least I didn't say anything dumb.  I'd hate to be a vendor.  I'd 
>> probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or 
>> something..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist.  I hate when 
>>> that happens
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> -B-
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little 
 help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I 
 feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some 
 info if you could show me.

 Brian

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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>   
>   
>   
>> Uhm...ya...
>>
>> Try this...
>>
>> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
how
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> to
>   
>   
>   
>>> get
>>> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
>>> willing
>>> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>>>
>>> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
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>   
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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetings today

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I am there, via web that is... ;)

Victoria

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:25 AM
To: legislat...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetings
today

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html

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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday

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Not me, this is getting a bit scary.

V

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
meetingstoday

I'm going to fall asleep watching this...


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--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM
To: 
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Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia 
meetingstoday

> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html
>
> come join me.
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>
>
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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday

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They are asking us to partner with the State, but it is under debate.

V

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

Scary?  Care to expand upon that for those of us not in attendance?

Chris

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Behalf Of Lists
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

Not me, this is getting a bit scary.

V

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
meetingstoday

I'm going to fall asleep watching this...


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--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM
To: 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia 
meetingstoday

> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html
>
> come join me.
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>
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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday

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Yes on Form 477! ;)

V

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

I don't know.  I've not been able to find that!

I wonder if that was a slip up and he meant to say something else?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the 
ntiameetingstoday


> How does one ask questions via the webcast?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM
> To: 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
> meetingstoday
>
>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html
>>
>> come join me.
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday

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Good job!  
I submitted the question too, maybe if there is a big showing of support
that will help.


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Denise Hamilton
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] FW: only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

I was ticked that Sasha rebutted my remarks regarding the 477 form but I did
call back in and have on public record that we want the 477 form to be a
criteria since it means we have been playing by the rules!  And it will be
too much of a bear to have thousands of apps without any prequels at all.
And the lady that kept stressing government involvement (Betty - ugh!).  I
could barely sit down through that whole meeting. 

~
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Lists
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

Yes on Form 477! ;)

V

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday

I don't know.  I've not been able to find that!

I wonder if that was a slip up and he meant to say something else?
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
ntiameetingstoday


> How does one ask questions via the webcast?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM
> To: 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
> meetingstoday
>
>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html
>>
>> come join me.
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>>
>>
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[WISPA] AT&T to work with power companys to expand BPL

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http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr
id-technology-0317/


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Re: [WISPA] AT&T to work with power companies to expand BPL

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In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the
power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas.  Just
reading between the lines.

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AT&T to work with power companys to expand BPL

I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took
the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then?
-RickG

2009/3/18 Mike Hammett 

> I didn't see anything about BPL in it.  I got the point was that they were
> putting AT&T cell modems in the electric meters.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AT&T to work with power companys to expand BPL
>
> > I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett
> > wrote:
> >
> >> They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using AT&T's
> >> wireless network.
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
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> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "RickG" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AT&T to work with power companys to expand BPL
> >>
> >> > And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators?
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr
> >> >> id-technology-0317/<
> >>
>
http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr
%0Aid-technology-0317/
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Victoria Proffer
> >> >> CEO
> >> >> StLouisBroadband.com
> >> >> MissouriRuralWireless.com
> >> >> 314.974.5600
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> >> >>
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[WISPA] Earthquake proofing towers

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In Los Angeles they use spring loaded steel plates for the base of their
peering.  
I am wondering if there is an approved product for free standing towers that
could work in this fashion?


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Re: [WISPA] Open Range does something?

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LOL, I like that "Forward-Looking Statement".  Clearly they are looking for
Stimulus $$$.


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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Open Range does something?

http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=251&PR=http://level3.mediaroom.com/in
dex.php?s=43&item=748


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[WISPA] Solar Panels

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Curious how many WISPs are using Solar and what type of solar products?  

We are looking at this as well as wind turbines for an all season coverage
solution.

 

 

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[WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

[Lists]

 

We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year
agreement.  Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building,
including their rooftop with our equipment.  

 

The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may or
may not be in our service area.

 

We own our equipment, so it is not the customers.

 

The insurance adjusters will be there tomorrow to value the damage.  

 

Am I owed the balance of the contract?  Am I owed the cost of my equipment?

 

 

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[WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

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I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:

"ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
"Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the other
hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a complete
list of SIC codes."

Just curious what everyone else is using and why?


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Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

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Actually NAICS has one for a WISP: 517210 - Wireless Internet service
providers, except satellite.  
But Dun and Bradstreet still use SIC.

Victoria Proffer
St. Louis Broadband

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

As an ISP we used the following as SIC was converted to NAICS. 

7375 SIC
514191 NAICS
518111 NAICS

We currently use for our current services, 518210



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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?


>I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:
> 
> "ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
> "Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the
other
> hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
> best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a
complete
> list of SIC codes."
> 
> Just curious what everyone else is using and why?
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Victoria Proffer 
> CEO 
> StLouisBroadband.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather - Strange Tech Support

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 been fielding non stop
calls

with blown routers and ethernet cards :o(

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Matt Larsen - Lists <mailto:li...@manageisp.com> 

Date: 6/10/2009 3:44:24 PM

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> ;  Motorola Canopy
<mailto:motor...@wispa.org>  User Group;  w...@part-15.org

Subject: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather

 

Storm #2 rolling in today

 

We've already had three tornado warnings and at least one on the ground

within three miles of my house.  Amazingly enough - nothing is down

other than one site that had a brief power outage.  New 9 mile 19ghz

link on 2' dishes faded from -48 to -70 for a while and then came back

within a few minutes.  Seems like we have had rain and lightning almost

every night for the last two weeks.   I can't help but feel that we are

very fortunate that we have only had to replace a couple of radio units

since it all started.

 

This is the most rain we have gotten here in probably ten years or so.

Anyone else seeing weird weather so far this year?

 

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[WISPA] Is Open Range Monopolizing 17 States for Stimulus Funding?

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This morning I was reading about Alvarion winning the $100MM bid for
supplying Open Range network with their Breezemax product (

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/38050.php?source=rss ) for their 17 State
rollout of fixed wireless.

 

I decided to see what markets Open Range was serving, which I found here:

http://www.openrangecomm.com/markets.html.  

 

On that page there is a link for a complete list of communities that takes
you here:  
http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/.

 

This site is the USDA/RUS site and it states : 

 

"Special Note to Potential Loan Applicants: Potential applicants should note
that communities associated with approved applications are no longer
eligible for RUS funding."

 

Hold the phone, when did the USDA/RUS start their loan program?  

 

My understanding is that they are waiting on NTIA guidelines before they
even have an application available.  

 

According to the USDA/RUS site:

http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband.htm  they state:  

 

"New regulations are currently being developed to implement the 2008 Farm
Bill requirements. With the publication of the new regulations, revised
application materials will be posted."

 

Am I missing something, or is this media hype?

 

Thanks, 

Victoria Proffer 

CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com   

ShowMeBroadband.com   

314.974.5600 

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[WISPA] Broadband Mapping for NTIA Applications

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>From the early NTIA meetings, we can bet that the NTIA is going to have in
their grant applications that we map our coverage area.  Makes total sense
that they pass these costs on to us for their purposes.

 

I have been talking to Daniel from 3-db.net about this issue.  I am not a
*really* skilled person in Radio Mobile, I have problems laying in the
antenna portion.  Daniels' company has the EDX program.  I have seen the
results and it looks good.

 

I am curious what everyone else is using and why?

 

Thanks, 

Victoria Proffer 

CEO 

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[WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps

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This really ticks me off:

 

"Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks
allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary

 and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter
and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum 

and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet
Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of 

around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by
cable or wireline broadband networks." 

http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html 

 

I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are
still defaming our industry.

I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea
that they hear from more of us.

 

Thanks!

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StLouisBroadband.com    

  ShowMeBroadband.com 

Rural Missouri Wireless Project.

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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Could Save Lives and Cash

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http://www.stltoday.com/pr/business/PR09030902052935

 

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[WISPA] Bad Storm in Nebraska

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I thought it was bad when I lost a backhaul on a mountaintop for part of the 
day today...until I saw what happened in Central Nebraska 

http://www.nppd.org/ 

Charter had 7000 cable internet customers down, including several thousand 
out here 200+ miles away.  One of the microwave towers carrying their signal 
looks like a piece of spaghetti.  When you see those big hi-cap electrical 
transmission towers collapsed, you know that it was bad.  Some towns will 
not have power for three weeks.  Yuck. 


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Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature

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- Original Message -
From: "Paul Hendry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature


> I have recently been playing with the Hotspot side of Mikrotik which seems
> to work well. I had a look through the manual which suggests you should be
> able to re-direct people every now and again to advertisements but it
> doesn't actually explain how this is done. It looks to be done through the
> transparent proxy. Anyone tried this?

Yes, it works with the transparent proxy.

Just go to 'IP > HotSpot > User > Profiles > Profile Name >Advertise' in
Winbox.

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Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature

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If the ad is blocked by a pop-up blocker the user sees an empty page with a
link to the ad and has to click on the link before he can continue on to the
the requested page.

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Hendry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature


> I'll see what I can do but it's only in the lab at present. I'm not sure a
> public address would be any help as it relies on all your web traffic
being
> transparently proxied through the MT. Once a pre-defined timer expires the
> MT would then send a pop-up to the end users when they next request (at
> least I think that's the theory). It should also block all traffic until
the
> end user has seen the advert so I'm wondering if this would have problems
> with users running pop-up blockers. John?
>
> Cheers,
>
> P.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John Scrivner
> Sent: 18 April 2006 13:18
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature
>
> I know this would be a bunch of work but can you either send us some
> screen shots of this in action or possibly give a public address to the
> hotspot side so we can see what this feature looks like in action? I
> would really like to see the ad feature running and I am having trouble
> visualizing exactly what it is doing.
> Many thanks,
> Scriv
>
>
> Paul Hendry wrote:
>
> >Aha, now I see it. Never use Winbox so missed the option but now see it
on
> >the CLI too. Are there issues with this and pop-up blockers at all?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 18 April 2006 09:36
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> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Paul Hendry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:01 AM
> >Subject: [WISPA] The Mikrotik "Advertisement" Feature
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have recently been playing with the Hotspot side of Mikrotik which
seems
> >>to work well. I had a look through the manual which suggests you should
be
> >>able to re-direct people every now and again to advertisements but it
> >>doesn't actually explain how this is done. It looks to be done through
the
> >>transparent proxy. Anyone tried this?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes, it works with the transparent proxy.
> >
> >Just go to 'IP > HotSpot > User > Profiles > Profile Name >Advertise' in
> >Winbox.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] RB153

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Onboard PSU is 10W max like the RB112.  Board draws 3-4W that leaves 6-7W.
It shuld only be able to handle 1 SR9!

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Subject: [WISPA] RB153


> Does anyone know if the RB153 will handle 3 SR9 cards both physical form
> factor and power consumption?
>
> Thanks,
> John Buwa
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 & Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz

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>From what I heard on the MT lists, they are not compatible (have differend
frequency ofsets).

- Original Message -
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 & Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz


> Can't get an association from the Tranzeo 900 MHz CPE to the Mikrotik
RB532
> with the SR9 card.
>
> I can associate with the Tranzeo 900 MHz AP immediately.
>
> The only thing that I see that could be causing the problem is the channel
> table is off.
>
> The Ubiquiti card has this:
>
> 922 MHz
> 917 MHz
> 912 MHz
> 907 MHz
>
> The Tranzeo AP shows this:
>
> 923 MHz
> 918 MHz
> 913 MHz
> 908 MHz
>
> I've got them both set to 5 MHz channel widths.
>
> I've looked for a couple hours now and I can't see where to change the
> frequency tables on either product (like you can on the Trango).
>
> Has anyone gotten this scenario to work?
>
> Mark Nash
> Network Engineer
> UnwiredOnline.Net
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPQ Opinions

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Better yet, use StarOS access points.  They work great with Tranzeos and 
will run like rice and beans through Mac's digestive tract.


Matt Larsen
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Mac Dearman wrote:

EVERY AP that we upgraded above 86r locks up every couple hours. 86r 
is stable and has performed exceedingly well for months without a 
single issue. If you downgrade to a lesser firmware - - - - be sure 
that you are PHYSICALLY on site where the gear is!! It will loose its 
config and go back to factory default AND it will have to be power 
cycled! Please read this again carefully and understand !! :-) or 
else!


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Authorized Barracuda Reseller
MikroTik RouterOS Certified
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www.mac-tel.us
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Rayville, La.
318.728.8600 318.303.4227
318.303.4229







Mark Nash wrote:

Mac, what are you seeing?  Have you used 89? 88 had issues (firmware 
units
were shipped with), I've upgraded to 89.  Not had any issues, but 
only in

production for about a week.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPQ Opinions


 


***WARNING  WILL ROBINSON 

You better steer clear of any updates on those Tranzeo APs over build
86r

WARNING YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED :-)

Mac Dearman
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Authorized Barracuda Reseller
MikroTik RouterOS Certified
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Rayville, La.
318.728.8600
318.303.4227
318.303.4229







Mark Nash wrote:

  


I've been using them for about a month now for a couple of smaller
sectors.  Had stability problems with the AP's that I was using (YDI
AP-Plus w/Turbocell, operating as an 802.11b AP).  I then installed
Tranzeo AP's.  I had issues with them not reconnecting to the AP when
the AP was power-cycled.  Updated firmware on AP's & clients.  Been
running stable for about a week.  Now I have purchased another 
10-pack.


The AP's web interface really cleaned up & gave me client names on the
station list with the latest firmware.

I can't give you long-term statistics, nor can I answer your huge
PPPoE question.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

   - Original Message -
   *From:* JohnnyO 
   *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
   *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2006 9:52 AM
   *Subject:* [WISPA] Tranzeo CPQ Opinions

   We will be doing a large deployment of CPEs in the next 60-90days.
   I would like to hear all of the negatives or issues people are
   seeing with the Tranzeo CPQ line.

   A huge question I have is will it act as a PPPoE client ?

   Any and all comments are helpful, Thanks !

   JohnnyO




  

 

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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Tranzeo announced at EC-Expo that they will have a 900mhz CPE/AP 
combination available sometime in the second quarter of 2006.  They are 
currently beta testing on their own systems in Canada right now.  Didn't 
hear a price quote, but knowing how efficient Tranzeo is, I'm guessing 
it will be under $350 in 20 pack quantities.


FWIW, I heard several reports from different people that the SR9 miniPCI 
900mhz card is vaporware, and it is going to be six months or more 
before it will be readily available.


Matt Larsen
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Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Read the title of the thread, (hint, hint)  :)  Wishful thinking, but 
no.  No 900mhz $150 CPE.


Jeff Sullivan wrote:


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never 
showed up.  So I guess I move on


Brian


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Re: [WISPA] VOIP

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Here is the part that really sucks

I have an asterisk box setup, and five customers beta testing voip on my 
network.  It works fine.  Those five customers have used a grand total 
of 1003 minutes so far this month.  My cost for termination minutes is 
.02 per minute, with a $5/month charge per DID line, so it cost me about 
$8/month to provide service for each of the beta customers.  This is 
something I can sell for $25 to $30/month, and it is competitive with 
Packet8/Vonage/etc because the voice quality is superior (the SIP 
gateway is at the NOC, so no one is more than 40 ms away and I can 
control the network between them and the SIP box).   Even if I get a 
bunch of people who use a lot more minutes, my average margin per 
customer would be in the $12 range.   50% margin?  Yeah, I think that 
works for me.


So far, LNP is not a big deal - it's pretty easy to get a toll-free line. 

But the 911 requirement is a problem.  The whole PSAP setup where the 
local authorities get their 911 information is a joke.  CLECs control 
access and can charge whatever they want - plus there is a charge for 
every communication center connection. 

I see two "out of the box" ways to deal with the 911 requirement.  The 
first, is to have a wifi/gsm phone, and roaming agreements with GSM 
providers.  Then , responsibility for the 911 call is shifted to the GSM 
provider.


The second is to build some kind of Internet-enabled way of bypassing 
the PSAP system and delivering the information directly to the local 
communication center. 

It is too expensive for a smaller operator (or even a medium sized 
operator for that matter) to implement the traditional PSAP T1 
connection method to get out to each comm center.  Until that is 
resolved, there will only be big operators and little guys living under 
the radar, hoping that no one busts them for not being 911 compliant.


Matt Larsen
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


I'm just looking to offer customers an alternative to the phone line.

That is, I'd like to give them an excuse to drop the Qwest copper line, keep
phone service, and give me the money instead.

And for those who live outside any other broadband, I can make a package
deal that puts them right in there with what they'd get if the telco did
move in... in other words, NO REASON TO LEAVE IN THE FUTURE.




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sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP


 


The margin in consumer VOIP is disappearing. The costs of the
infrastructure including DIDs and 911 implementation have slammed the
industry. Read Vonage's IPO to better understand the 911 liability and
cost.

In a couple of cases I have consulted on, the local CO was not
accessible by any CLEC, so no LNP, so no one to outsource the VOIP to.

BOCs have learned that most consumers switch to VOIP for cost savings,
so have lowered their costs. Plus cableco's have gotten into the game
(and can do 911) and bundle on one bill.

You can try to do it yourself (and Asterisk is a GREAT tool for this),
but if you aren't a CLEC, how do you handle 911 and LNP?

Now if you wanted to sell Hosted PBX to Businesses, that's valuable.

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

   


I don't understand your point about "selling on margins".

I was merely asking for a "wholesale" product that was priced less than
RETAIL.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I have yet to figure out how it is all the "wholesale" products are
currently anywhere between 10 and 100% more than the current retail
offerings.

There's no "margin" in that, unless I'm supposed to subsidize VOIP
 


service
 


with my WISP revenue, which is the reverse notion of more revenue per
customer.

I didn't say I wanted a "fat" margin.  I just said I wanted something I
could bundle with my data service that didn't cost me more than retail to
get, which is why I'm a bit taken back at the notion that wholesale costs
more than retail.

If that' whining, in your view, I'd say your view was a little strange.
 


As
 


best I can tell, the biggest costs for VOIP are the infrastructure and
customer service.I merely wanted to make the unusual split of dealing
with customer service myself, but farming out the infrastructure.
 


Nobody
 


seems to be interested in doing that, and I'm not sure why. Lots of
ISP's are outsourcing customer service, and seemingly it has advantages,
 


one
 


would naturally assume this is true of the VOIP business, but, hey, maybe
not.   The infrastructure, as best I can tell, is the most cost effective
 


to
 


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Re: [WISPA] WISPS DO have to file the 477

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Interesting, the drop down box in #3 has the names of everyone who filed 
last time.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rick Harnish wrote:


http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html


Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPS DO have to file the 477

so what is the link to the form?
I've seen links to instructions, and descriptions in the fcc website.
Maybe my browser is hiding the actual form.
thanks.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 


Thanks Kris!

For those that don't know him, Kris is a telecom attorney who's been a 
HUGE friend to the WISP industry.


http://www.lokt.net/

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: FCC Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8


   

Yes, WISPs must fill out Form 477. Here is the link to the 
instructions for

the form: http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf
In that form, the relevant part is below. And as an aside, sheesh, 
everybody

should try to be a little nicer to each other. And that's coming from a
lawyer even...

. Facilities-based Providers of Broadband Connections to End User 
Locations:

Entities that are facilities-based providers of broadband connections -
which, for purposes of this information collection, are wired "lines" or
wireless "channels" that enable the end user to receive information from
and/or send information to the Internet at information transfer rates
exceeding 200 kbps in at least one direction - must complete and file 
the
applicable portions of this form for each state in which the entity 
provides

one or more such connections to end user locations.

For the purposes of Form 477, an entity is a "facilities-based" 
provider of
broadband connections to end user locations if it owns the portion of 
the
physical facility that terminates at the end user location, if it 
obtains

unbundled network elements (UNEs), special access lines, or other leased
facilities that terminate at the end user location and provisions/equips
them as broadband, or if it provisions/equips a broadband wireless 
channel
to the end user location over licensed or unlicensed spectrum. Such 
entities

include incumbent and competitive local exchange carriers (LECs), cable
system operators, fixed wireless service providers (including "wireless
ISPs"), terrestrial and satellite mobile wireless service providers, 
MMDS

providers, electric utilities, municipalities, and other entities. (Such
entities do not include equipment suppliers unless the equipment 
supplier
uses the equipment to provision a broadband connection that it offers 
to the

public for sale. Such entities also do not include providers of fixed
wireless services (e.g., "Wi-Fi" and other wireless ethernet,or wireless
local area network, applications) that only enable local distribution 
and
sharing of a premises broadband facility.) For such entities, the 
applicable

portions of the form are: 1) the Cover Page; 2) Part I; 3) Part IV (if
necessary); and the relevant portion(s) of Part V.

Kris
__
Kristopher E. Twomey
Telecom/Internet Law and Regulatory Consulting
510 903-1304
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:24:50 -0800
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [WISPA FCC] Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
To: "WISPA General List" 
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out 
but without e911.  I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our 
service just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this 
whole e911 thing is a fscking nightmare. 

At what point does it make more sense to say screw the 911 and just go 
forward?  Aren't there a bunch of VOIP providers out there doing this 
already?  The cellcos have bought out their 911 requirements year after 
year.   I sense a court case in the making that will either force 911 
adoption or throw it out for voip carriers.  It is definitely a gray 
area right now.




Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Tom DeReggi wrote:


Revenue: 174.0 million net Loss $189.6million
our marketing expenses were $176.3million."/



Wow.

That would support my arguement that there is no part of the equation 
more valuable than the portion responsible for the unique access to 
the consumer via a verticle sell.


So if I'm a wireless company, and its just thirty seconds to say, 
"would you like a VOIP phone with that broadband service" at order 
time, its worth gold.
Way more than 10-14% commissions.  Should we be paying our wholesale 
VOIP provider only $5 out of the $25 that we charge? Thats what it 
would infer by Vonage's numbers above.

Maybe Vonage should have taken partners more seriously?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance



Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say 
sell?)
But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for 
Dedicated LD).

E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available).

You can try to work with a friendly CLEC (or become one).
But Voice is way different from Data.
One bad 911 and you are being sued and possibly jailed.
Wouldn't you rather offer services that aren't competing against the 
growing monster?
You would be better off selling cellular for a residual than selling 
VOIP.


Vonage was going to IPO last year for $660M; this year they are 
looking for $220M


In 1Q05:
"Vonage Holdings Corp. Founded in 2001, the Edison (N.J.) provider of 
Internet phone service has raised $210 million and last year racked 
up about $100 million in revenue. It has spent enough on marketing in 
a bid to make itself a household name, and several VCs say it will go 
public this year or next. But critics complain that while its ads 
attract new customers, it doesn't retain as many as it should."


"Om says Vonage IPO. I don't think they can wait. Reports are their 
growth is slowing, that costs are rising and that founder Jeffrey 
Citron has a bundle of his own cash in the venture."


In  2006: /"The street writes: Vonage Holdings, moved to become the 
first major Internet telephony player to go public by filing 
Wednesday to raise up to $250 million via an initial offering of 
stock and named a Tyco International executive as CEO. Our revenues 
were $18.7million in 2003, $79.7million in 2004, and $174.0 million 
for the nine months ended Sept. 30, 2005," the company's prospectus 
says."While our revenues have grown rapidly, we have experienced 
increasing net losses, primarily driven by our increase in marketing 
expenses. From the period of inception through Sept.30, 2005, our 
cumulative net loss was $310 million. Our net loss for the nine 
months ended Sept.30, 2005, was $189.6million. During the same 
nine-month period, our marketing expenses were $176.3million."/




Jason Hensley wrote:

What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP 
players don't have access numbers?  What is your opinion on them 
coming here? For instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP 
provider's number is 100 miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's 
that cannot call it locally. Not a feasible decision for a local 
business as any phone calls to them will be long distance for local 
residents.  Is there a case for or against partnering / working with 
a CLEC who has the ability to be WAY more flexible than the ILEC's, 
have them drop you DS1's / PRI's / whatever and work with them on 
getting local VoIP numbers for the folks in these areas?  I'm 
getting more and more people who want wireless Internet SOLELY 
because they do not have a home phone line other than their cell 
phone.  Do you see that as what we're headed to?  I do and I don't 
personally.  I think there will be a market of some kind for that, 
but I feel as well that for at least the foreseeable future (say 10 
years or so), markets such as mine will not be doing away with 
wireline.  Too many challenges for both cellular providers, and 
WISP's due to terrain and sparseness of population.


I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why it cannot be 
profitable, at l

Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi Victoria, long time no email ;^)

(Not sure if you were asking me or the other Matt...but here is my reply) 

I am using Asterisk.   I am also getting my trunks directly from an 
ITSP, so I don't have to get PRI channels.  That is much more flexible 
than using PRIs, because all you have to do is add more bandwidth and 
CPU - no messing around with weird interface cards or the like.   Who 
the hell wants PRIs anyway - that would mean dealing with the phone 
company again!  I had enough of that in my first dialup ISP.


FWIW, I think I may have found a solution to the 911 problem.  If we 
could get five or six operators on board, I think we could all solve the 
911 problem together and go forward with our butts covered.  Anyone who 
is interested, hit me offlist ([EMAIL PROTECTED], not this 
email).   If the cost efficiencies pan out correctly - it should be 
right around $10/month per customer to deliver a voip line with an 
inbound DID number and an adequate amount of long distance - with those 
costs going down as volumes increase.  This is using a server sitting at 
the NOC, so quality of the calls will be superior to any other VOIP 
system that someone tries to use on your network.


Catch you later,

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Victoria wrote:


Matt,

What type VoIP are you beta-testing?

We are currently looking at asterisk, but I am concerned about how many
subscribers I can maintain per PRI. So far the numbers I am getting do not
add up to profitability.  I almost makes more sense to resell another
providers product.

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance


I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but
without e911.  I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our service
just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this whole e911
thing is a fscking nightmare. 


At what point does it make more sense to say screw the 911 and just go
forward?  Aren't there a bunch of VOIP providers out there doing this
already?  The cellcos have bought out their 911 requirements year after 
year.   I sense a court case in the making that will either force 911 
adoption or throw it out for voip carriers.  It is definitely a gray area

right now.



Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Tom DeReggi wrote:

 

Revenue: 174.0 million net Loss $189.6million our marketing expenses 
were $176.3million."/
 


Wow.

That would support my arguement that there is no part of the equation 
more valuable than the portion responsible for the unique access to 
the consumer via a verticle sell.


So if I'm a wireless company, and its just thirty seconds to say, 
"would you like a VOIP phone with that broadband service" at order 
time, its worth gold.
Way more than 10-14% commissions.  Should we be paying our wholesale 
VOIP provider only $5 out of the $25 that we charge? Thats what it 
would infer by Vonage's numbers above.

Maybe Vonage should have taken partners more seriously?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance


   


Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say
sell?)
But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for 
Dedicated LD).

E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available).

You can try to work with a friendly CLEC (or become one).
But Voice is way different from Data.
One bad 911 and you are being sued and possibly jailed.
Wouldn't you rather offer services that aren't competing against the 
growing monster?
You would be better off selling cellular for a residual than selling 
VOIP.


Vonage was going to IPO last year for $660M; this year they are 
looking for $220M


In 1Q05:
"Vonage Holdings Corp. Founded in 2001, the Edison (N.J.) provider of 
Internet phone service has raised $210 million and last year racked 
up about $100 million in revenue. It has spent enough on marketing in 
a bid to make itself a household name, and several VCs say it will go 
public this year or next. But critics complain that while its ads 
attract new customers, it doesn't retain as many as it should."


"Om says Vonage IPO. I don't think they can wait. Reports are their 
growth is slowing, that costs are rising and that founder Jeffrey 
Citron has a bundle of his own cash in the venture."


In  2006: /"The street writes: Vonage Holdings, moved to become the 
first major Internet telephony player to go public by filing 
Wednesday to raise up to $250 million via an 

Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I for one would prefer that we maintain some semblance of focus on our 
core focus as an organization (promoting and improving the wireless 
industry).  I could sell Amway and consider that to be an additional 
revenue stream for my WISP, but having me ramble on about that is the 
last thing anyone here should have to be subjected to.


The last thing we need on this list is more noise to drown our our 
signal, whether that noise is discussion that is relatively unrelated to 
the wireless industry (like the original post) or plain old "I don't 
like this or that so I'm leaving" drama. 


Thanks for nipping this one Rick.   Keep up the good work.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while
and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*

my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive.  
Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to  
consider VoIP gateways.
since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on  
your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA.  bye




On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 


Alex,

Please take this offlist.  This is not proper content for  
discussion on the

Wispa list servs.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream

I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would
be okay to deploy on the network.

They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus
additional fees for high load times.

When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they  
aren't

in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content.

Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of
liability exists..

It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew  
says

they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature.

Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are
doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom  
line. I

don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself  -
answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground.

Any experience with this?

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[WISPA] Asterisk hangup issues

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi Gino,

I have the exact same problem.  Certain kinds of calls don't hang up - 
usually calls from cellular carriers that don't send the right kind of 
termination or whatever.


I haven't come up with a perfect solution for it, but we do reboot the 
server every night at 3am just to make sure the channels get cleared at 
least once a day.   We have started keeping an eye on the system through 
the FOP panel, and when the pots lines are stuck, someone goes into the 
console and does "zap destroy channel x" to hang up the line.


I am going to be getting a SIP trunk directly from my CLEC, and then I 
won't have any direct interface with the POTS system.  Can't wait for 
that day.  Dealing with the POTS lines is the biggest pain in the ass 
with Asterisk.


If you come up with a better solution, let me know.

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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Jory,

I think you hit the nail on the head there.  Does anyone know if there 
is a program for ISPs <1 subs? 


Inquiring minds want to know.  :^)

Matt Larsen
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Jory Privett wrote:

As all of this is a  great thing that I would like to be part of,  I 
do not think it will ever happen.  If I remember correctly from an 
earlier post you have to have 10,000+ subs before they will let you 
participate.  This counts me out as well as the large majority of the 
people on this list, unless Adzilla lowers this number or allows 
groups (such as WISPA) to be counted together.
 
Jory Privett

WCCS
 



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Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Unless you have in-house developers who are comfortable with doing 
Windows development (Visual Basic, if I remember correctly) Rodopi is a 
nightmare.  My original ISP used it for about five years, and managed 
4000+ customers with it.  It has some cool features, but we were never 
able to get it to do exactly what we wanted to do and there were all 
kinds of license requirements and extra charges.  I think we spent 
nearly $10K over that five years in licensing alone - not to mention a 
lot of custom development to get the information out of it that we 
wanted.  We were actually exporting the entire sql database out of MsSQL 
to a linux box with MySQL every morning so we could get the information 
we needed out of it.   Man,  I don't miss those days.


The people on my staff who had experience with Rodopi and Freeside would 
take Freeside any day.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


G.Villarini wrote:

What are the hardware requierements? We are trying to choose between 
the soft pkg or the hosted application


 


Gino A. Villarini,

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

www.aeronetpr.com 

787.273.4143

 




*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson

*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:04 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

 


Hi,

We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and 
we have never had a problem.


Travis
Microserv

G.Villarini wrote:

Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ?

 


Gino A. Villarini,

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

www.aeronetpr.com 

787.273.4143

 



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Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Jeremy Davis and I work together to do Freeside installs as well - he 
installs the software, I work on the data transfer and integration with 
existing systems.  We have six or seven running right now and have been 
using it for about four years.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jory Privett wrote:


www.sisd.com/freeside

It is open source based on Perl, Apache and Postgres SQL .   It runs best on 
a Debian box  but can be ported to others.  If you need help installing Ivan 
can do the whole install for less than the cost of the license for most 
software.  He can also customize it anyway that you want.


Jory Privett
WCCS



- Original Message - 
From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus


Link?

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

We are in the process of switching to Freeside.   I have demoed almost every

billing system out there and Freeside seems to be the most flexible and cost

effective.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus


Unless you have in-house developers who are comfortable with doing
Windows development (Visual Basic, if I remember correctly) Rodopi is a
nightmare.  My original ISP used it for about five years, and managed
4000+ customers with it.  It has some cool features, but we were never
able to get it to do exactly what we wanted to do and there were all
kinds of license requirements and extra charges.  I think we spent
nearly $10K over that five years in licensing alone - not to mention a
lot of custom development to get the information out of it that we
wanted.  We were actually exporting the entire sql database out of MsSQL
to a linux box with MySQL every morning so we could get the information
we needed out of it.   Man,  I don't miss those days.

The people on my staff who had experience with Rodopi and Freeside would
take Freeside any day.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


G.Villarini wrote:

 


What are the hardware requierements? We are trying to choose between
the soft pkg or the hosted application



Gino A. Villarini,

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>

787.273.4143





*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:04 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus



Hi,

We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and
we have never had a problem.

Travis
Microserv

G.Villarini wrote:

Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ?



Gino A. Villarini,

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>

787.273.4143



   



 



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Re: [WISPA] 4.9GHz gear

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Tranzeo.  Probably the cheapest of the lot and equivalent to the best 
stuff.  Same as the 5a series, but with different firmware.


Matt Larsen
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Butch Evans wrote:

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Jason Hensley wrote:

Anyone have some pricing on this gear?  I have a possible deployment 
for it.  I've got Airaya pricing.  Only other one I can find is 
Alvarion.  Any other manufacturers out there?


Posted an answer on the Part-15 WISP list.



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Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues 
not mentioned here.


1)  Canopy is limited to vertical polarity in PTMP deployments.  Trango 
and many other systems can be deployed in horizontal polarity, pretty 
much avoiding any Canopy in the area. 

2)  Canopy systems will be more robust in comparison to other systems 
deployed at the same antenna gain and polarity, and they will also 
coexist nicely with other Canopy systems if they are all running GPS 
sync on the access points.  HOWEVER, non-synced Canopy causes other 
Canopy systems all kinds of problems, and other types of systems will 
take a Canopy system down if the other system has higher gain and runs 
on the same path.  Canopy will run with 3db of signal to noise 
separation, which is more robust than 802.11b for example which needs 
5-6db - but that doesn't make it immune to noise.  There are situations 
where the poor antenna design of the Canopy ends up getting more noise 
and will run worse than a better engineered 802.11b system. 

It is easy to build a 2000lb elephant (legally, I will add) that will 
kick the 500lb gorilla's butt.  Been there, done that.  I'm glad I don't 
have to deal with Canopy any more.


Matt Larsen
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Forrest W Christian wrote:

Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin 
delivery of bandwidth to customers. 

Since Canopy hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll mention it.

You really can't go wrong with a canopy installation.  It works, even 
in the presence of noise that would kill other systems.  We swapped a 
dying (due to interference) Trango system with a canopy system well 
over a year ago and haven't looked back.   As customers on our 
existing 802.11b network have problems we just swap them to Canopy.


Some here will probably mention canopy's "abusive" spectrum use.   
Yes, Motorola uses a very agressive modulation which both provides for 
incredible interference robustness, but unfortunately doesn't play 
very well with others.   Systems with marginal link budget will fail 
when put in the presence of a motorola radio.  I have heard this 
referred to as the 500 pound gorilla approach - I.E. where does a 500 
pound gorilla set?   Anywhere he wants to.   I find it hard to see 
this as a disavantage to the Canopy operator.  After all this is 
business, and you need to make decisions which improve your bottom line.


One more thing... you need to be very careful about FCC certification 
of systems.  Many of the systems which people put together themselves 
are not legal in the eyes of the FCC.  In short, buying a radio from 
vendor A and pairing it with an antenna from vendor B may or may not 
be legal, even if the EIRP limit is not exceeded.   Plus, you will 
have vendors (distributors mostly) which will lie to you about whether 
or not a given pair is legal.   Currently many WISP's are doing things 
which are definitely not legal under the rules, and count on the FCC's 
continued non-enforcement of the part-15 bands as part of their 
business plan.   As being an Amateur Radio operator and seeing what 
happens when the FCC decides to actually pursue enforcement in a band, 
I wouldn't want to tie my continued business survival to illegal 
equipment. 
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[WISPA] [Fwd: [DDN] Net Neutrality and AOL ...It Begins]

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

 it to 
stick a bunch of if-then logic gates in your filters to make things a 
little more subtle? I can only conclude that the company simply didn't 
see the point of taking those measures...they seem to work on the basis 
that they have complete and total control of their customer base. (Given 
their product, this is stunning).


What's next? If my blog criticizes AOL, does that mean that anyone using 
AOL or Time Warner can't see my site anymore? Can Microsoft build an 
operating system that doesn't allow users to visit getfirefox.com, 
because it's a competing product? Wait a minute, didn't the courts smack 
MS with some serious fines (here and in the EU) to specifically prevent 
this, back in the IE vs. Netscape days? I'm not even going to speculate 
on what Comcast or SBC could do with this precedent...they're probably 
sitting up and salivating.


Does this mean Bush could cut off all access to anti-Bush content, or 
even critical discussions of the current situation in the United States 
or in Iraq, by paying the corporations a certain amount? Wow...that's so 
much easier than all this coopting the press and fear-mongering stuff. 
Could a company cut access to critical content to make their products 
look better online (AOL's doing precisely that, after all)?


In every one of these scenarios, we're giving an entity with money total 
control over what we see, hear, and say online. To think that this will 
not eventually affect how we think is naive. Would we think Osama Bin 
Laden was so terrible if this had been the case a decade ago? What if 
he'd had more money than the Bushes and all we saw when we got online 
was pro-Islamic propaganda, with access to Myspace cut off in favor of 
OsamaSpace? What would our kids grow up thinking? Are political lines 
going to be drawn based on which ISP we use?


So what we do? I'm hoping wiser minds than mine will chime in at this 
point (from non AOL accounts) and give me some suggestions. I, for one, 
am planning on contacting the few people I know who do use AOL, offline, 
and explaining to them why I think it's time they switched email 
accounts...no matter how long they've used it, or how attached they are 
to it.


I'm cc'ing a few others on this list who might have something valuable 
to contribute to this dialog...please excuse the cross-posting. My 
sympathies to whoever's managing the bounces on these mailing lists, 
especially if we have a lot of subscribers from AOL accounts.


How do we stop the internet from fragmenting?

 Dave.

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Re: [WISPA] do you use tranzeo?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I've deployed 1500+ Tranzeos over the last four years.

Matt Larsen
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Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
I am trying to find out how many folks out there use low cost CPE like 
tranzeo. please hit me off list if you

do.

Best,

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Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

George,

Unfortunately, every time that the public hears about problems with a 
wifi network (muni or otherwise) it is going to reflect badly on all of 
us.  After reading the article, it is pretty clear that the writer 
picked out one sorehead and blew his problems up into something big.  
The Bells want the Muni-Broadband efforts to fail badly, and they have 
the added side benefit of making WISPs look bad in the process.


After having an opportunity to visit with Esme Vos of muniwireless.org 
and several other community wireless advocates at the Freedom to Connect 
conference, it is pretty clear that we should be embracing 
muniwireless.  They need us badly - specifically our real-world 
experience and in the field capability.  Many of the munis are being fed 
a long line of bs from vendors and stories like this one out of St. 
Cloud are going to be trumpeted as examples of muniwireless failure - 
when the real failure is that govt officials and the citizens were given 
unrealistic expectations. 


Here are some of my responses to the common criticisms of muniwireless

1)  FREE service in my city is going to put me out of business
Response:  Not true.  Most of the FREE services are very low speed 
connections (sub 256K) or are filled with non-bypassable  advertising.   
Plus, there is no quality of service guarantee for a free service and 
nonexistent tech support.There is plenty of opportunity to offer a 
higher quality service that people are willing to pay for.   Don't 
forget that most of the people who go for the FREE service are folks 
that wouldn't pay for service anyway.  If they become users and want a 
better level of service, there is a good chance that they will become 
paying customers at some point in the future.


2)  Government money should not be used to compete with private industry
Response:  In most applications, muniwireless efforts are being explored 
by the governmental entity to SAVE money.  If a muni can put in a 
network for a cost of $100,000, but will save $60,000/year through 
reduced telephone/cellphone/leased line expenses, then that is a big 
WIN/WIN situation for everyone involved except the telcos.  Local 
government spending generates a huge amount of revenue for the phone 
companies.  Doesn't it make more sense for the city to put in its own 
infrastructure and manage it locally than to spend it with 
telcos/cellcos?  Savings from telecom revenue are only one of the many 
ways that muni networks can generate substantial savings.  Decreased 
labor, increased operational efficiency and many other benefits come 
from muni networks.


3)  Municipal wireless networks duplicate efforts made my local WISPs
Response:  After talking to a lot of muniwireless people, the issue is 
that munis would PREFER to work with a local WISP or ISP operator to get 
their network going, but WISPs do such a poor job of promoting 
themselves that most munis have no idea that there is someone operating 
in their area.   Introduce yourself to the IT person in every town where 
you provide service - do not give them an excuse for ignorance.  We are 
generally more local than any other company that they will deal with, 
and we have tons of practical experience and the ability to demo our 
capabilities.   We should be exploiting these advantages to the highest 
possible degree.  It will require you to become a participant in your 
local government, but that is the best way to get what you want. 

Every WISPA member should be watching their area diligently for 
muniwireless opportunities in their area, and working hard to get in on 
the ground floor.  I have done cooperative projects in ten towns in my 
service area and all have been WIN/WIN for me and for the cities.   At 
last check, these cites combined are saving $4000 a month over what they 
were paying the telcos for the same or inferior level of service.  My 
goal is to be taking $30,000/month out of the pockets of the local 
telcos (Qwest and Embarq) within the next two years.  Just imagine what 
kind of an impact muni networks would have on the telcos if  1 
communities pulled an average of $1000 a month out of telcos and put it 
into local infrastructure?   That is $1 million a month out of telco 
coffers and into local economies.  What if the average savings was $5000 
a month and 2 communities developed their own networks?   Even the 
telcos will notice $10 million a month in declining revenues.  More 
importantly, the influx into the local economy of that money (instead of 
having it sucked out by the telco vampire) will make a big difference at 
the local level. 

WISPs should be taking a proactive, positive stance toward muniwireless 
efforts.   The munis are our most powerful allies right now, and we 
should be working WITH them, not against them.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


George wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups

I am not a fan of muni wireless.

George


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Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

After attending the Freedom to Connect conference, I was able to get a 
very up close and personal look at the people who are strongly 
supporting the Net Neutrality concepts.   I believe that the intention 
is to keep the status quo of the Internet, and make sure that we will 
all be able to get the content that we want with a minimum of 
control/blockage/prioritization, etc.  However, there are a couple of 
distinctions that need to be made.


#1)  "Last mile" networks that are built with private, non-government 
money - should not be FORCED to follow "common-carrier" guidelines.  
I.E. - I build and paid for my own network, and if I want to block port 
1 and break Vonage from working, I should be able to do that.   
Sucks for Vonage, but it would suck even more if the management of 
private networks was controlled by legislators.   Any new network 
construction that gets any kind of economic development or government 
assistance in the form of tax credits or breaks should have network 
neutrality mandated into it - or they don't get the assistance.


#2)  There should be a set of services that do fall under the common 
carrier guidelines and do little more than provide the interconnect 
between networks.  There should be strong Network Neutrality guidelines 
for interconnection at the backbone level.  Otherwise, my backbone 
provider can decide to block traffic and then it is out of my control.  
Of course they can charge more, and for these kind of connections we are 
ALREADY paying a substantial premium, but unfettered "common carrier" 
connections need to be available. 

The one thing that could really make a big difference in this whole 
equation is the existence and growth of other players beyond the 
telephone companies and major backbone carriers.   If the telcos and 
cablecos continue with their apparent plan to make their networks into 
giant walled "silos" of their own content  - there will be a substantial 
demand for open networks.   WISPS are in a good position to take 
advantage of their manipulations.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Tom DeReggi wrote:

Jack,

I have not visited the site yet, and at your recommendation, I will 
explore their content, to see if it is something that I would support 
or not.


However, if only 6 ISPs have signed, that could be a sign, that it may 
not support our needs.


I believe in Freedom of Speech, but I also believe its the 
responsibilty of the speaker to bare the cost and responsibilty of 
their speech. Its not the ISPs responsibilty to buy the microphone.


Net Neutrality, is a tough subject, to even fully understand what a 
group is supporting.


Net Neutrality to me means preventing the large backbone providers 
(AT&T, etc.) from deciding whose packets will be allowed to use the 
Internet and how much extra it will cost to use the Internet


I agree, but... The problem is the interpretation of what the 
definition of the "Internet" is. I have no problem with the above 
comment, if meaning is conections between providers. The problem is 
that most people Interperate "Internet" being the connection all the 
way to the consumer.  I feel that legislation may prevent ISPs from 
blocking access from their consumers. The only alternative is 
prioritizing or slowing down traffic accross the network between 
providers. Its hard to know if the second should not be supported, if 
we don;t know if we'll loose control of our last mile.


If wireless Providers can't control the flow of data on their network 
to consumers, it will destroy their networks. And If WISPS are allowed 
to block and Large carriers are not, consumers are likely to pick big 
carriers over WISPs. Its a scary situation, when you know one TV 
broadcast can monopolize the throughput of a WISPs connection to its 
clients in many cases.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)


Net Neutrality to me means preventing the large backbone providers 
(AT&T, etc.) from deciding whose packets will be allowed to use the 
Internet and how much extra it will cost to use the Internet, 
assuming that you are "allowed" to use it. Packets from sites can be 
(as I understand it) not just slowed down but prevented from crossing 
at all unless the backbone providers "approve". This, to me, is 
undemocratic, unjust, and bad for the citizens of any free country. 
That is why I support and have joined the coalition to "Save the 
Internet".


http://www.savetheinternet.com/

As responsible individuals who are involved in the Internet business, 
I urge each one of you to:


1. Read the website 

2. Do your own additional research on "Net Neutrality", the "First 
Amendment of the Internet" - based on the First Amendment to the 
American Constitution - Freedom of Speech.


http://www

Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Are you graphing CPU utilization on your StarOS APs?   That might help 
provide a clue.  If someone is getting DOSed or there is a broadcast 
storm, you might see high CPU utilization before/during the problem.


Matt

David E. Smith wrote:

Okay, Scriv and I are stumped on this one.

Over the last couple of weeks, we've started seeing some very odd
oddness on a few of our 2.4GHz POPs. Not all, just some. Here's what
appears to be happening:

A couple times a day, usually during business hours, something somewhere
generates a massive amount of noise. Connections which report an RF
noise of -90 start showing noise levels of -60 (or worse in some cases),
as reported by our StarOS access point. If it really is RF noise, it's
very broad, as it's simultaneously hitting five or six POPs, some
several miles away, but all at the same time.

The towers are all running StarOS on Mikrotik RouterBoard hardware, with
a mix of Orinoco and Prism cards, some with amps, some not. Some have
sectored antennas (180 degrees), some have omnis. Between them, the
towers cover just about the entire 2.4 spectrum (obviously, one channel
per access point, but we're using at least channels 1, 4, 6, 8, and 11).

Those towers are basically identical to several other towers that aren't
affected.

The other really really weird part is the crazy latency. Pings to the
APs themselves are reliable, and our backhaul links (5.3 and 5.8 GHz)
don't seem to be affected. And pings to our end-customers don't seem to
get lost, they just take their sweet time getting there. While "the
event" is happening, I've seen pings that take in excess of twenty
seconds to complete their round trip.

64 bytes from 10.232.175.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=27239 ms

(I think that's my record. In that particular test, there were no
packets lost, they just took a very long time to get there.)

I've checked or replaced just about everything I can think of in our
network that might cause something like this, and frankly, I'm stumped.
I don't think it's a network problem (traffic bursts or similar) because
of the weird bursts of RF noise. But that'd have to be one helluva burst
of noise to do what it's doing - affecting every channel across ten
miles at once.

I can go into more detail on any part of the network if you like, though
I think all the likely-relevant details are covered here.

Help!

David Smith
MVN.net
  


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Re: [WISPA] gas prices

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

We just raised our install prices from $150 to $250 for each install.  
People who pay for six months in advance get a free month and $50 off of 
the install.  Gas prices are part of it, but it was a combination of 
higher leasing rates (due to increasing interest rates), increase in the 
price of Tranzeo radios ($5 to $10 across the board) and increased 
shipping costs.   With the changes in prices, now I'm back to an 
immediate ROI, rather than a 2 month ROI and carrying a lease payment 
for each new radio.  We've been doing 50-70 installs a month for the 
last six months so it won't hurt to slack off a little bit during the 
summer so that we can build up a cash reserve.  Crazy thing is that the 
schedule is still filling up even with the increased install charges.


I think its going to be another crazy summer.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

Just got our $700 gas bill for last month.  That's just MY driving.  
No employees.  And I don't even drive an suv!


I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge.  Kinda like what the 
concrete company did to me last  year at this time.


What are people that have large spread out networks doing?

If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal.  But if it 
kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) 
this summer is gonna be ugly.


thoughts?
Marlon
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[WISPA] Roaming with VPN, any ideas?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

I have consulting client that has an issue I have not been able to 
figure out, so I'm going to the lists for assistance. 

They have a law enforcement customer that has wifi cards and laptops in 
their patrol cards and wants to be able to roam from access point to 
access point while being able to use their VPN.   This wasn't a problem 
up to this point, as the network was flat and bridged and the cop cards 
were given static IP addresses that worked anywhere on the network.  
Going forward, all of the bridging is going to be removed and the entire 
network will be routed.  This makes the network work a lot better, but 
it breaks this particular application.


The only solution I could come up with for this scenario was to 
implement some kind of combination of RoadWarrior/OpenVPN with an IPCop 
firewall at the main law enforcement center.  They are currently using 
OpenVPN, but it is setup with the aforementioned static IP addresses.  
The patrol cars will be pulling dhcp when they associate to the access 
point, but there shouldn't be any NAT traversal because their main 
office will be on the same network. 

Here is the solution I was looking at testing out for them.  Does anyone 
have any experience with this?


http://www.ipcop.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=OpenVPNHowto

Thanks guys.  Looking forward to hearing some responses.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Trying to price service like that in my market would result in an ARPU 
of $0.  Been there, done that with the licensed LMDS players that bought 
my first ISP.  They laughed at our 802.11 radios as "baby monitors".   
The LMDS equipment is long gone, and unlicensed wireless broadband is 
now the dominant form of broadband in my market.   Chalk up another loss 
for the too-smart east-coasters that thought they would come into 
sticksville and take the market over.


All of the "easy pickings" T1 customers are long gone, other than a few 
banks and others that can't switch or don't want to switch to anything else.


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Matt Liotta wrote:
Our APRU is currently at $669 and we have been raising that each 
quarter. The difference between us and CBeyond is that we don't pay 
any ILEC to delivery our service. Oh, and we don't have 17,000 
customers... yet!


BTW, our sales team has found it easier to sell >$1000 services than 
<$400.


-Matt

Patrick Leary wrote:


I stand corrected, fair enough Matt, but wow. That's pretty rich monthly
rates and an especially rich ARPU.

Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 
2006 3:56 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!

Again, pointing to CBeyonds numbers it is clear that their average 
customer is not buying big TDM pipes or fiber-based services. Their 
starting package is $495 per month, which is just a single T1, while 
their next package up --which is priced higher than their ARPU-- is 
$895, which is just two T1s. That's 17,000 high ARPU customers 
delivering services that technologically are easy for WISPs. There 
are operators on this list that will sell a customer 3 megs or more 
of service for less than $495 per month.


I'm not saying there isn't a market for low ARPU customers, but the 
scale required to make any real money seems like quite a challenge.


-Matt

Patrick Leary wrote:

 

Any operator with some decent residential mix would be drooling to 
have a
$100 ARPU Matt. No matter what technology is being used, that makes 
for an
excellent ROI. Those CLECs you mention are also likely providing 
fiber and

big TDM pipes as a primary focus.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 
2006 2:52 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!

Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the 
quality of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly 
whose ARPU is barely above $100. At 1000 customers an ARPU of $100 
is only $1.2M per year. That's a lot of radios and a lot of 
customers for very little revenue. Compare this to CBeyond, which is 
an Atlanta-based CLEC that in recent time went public. Today they 
have about 17,000 customers, but their ARPU is $761. With just 1000 
customers, an ARPU of $761 would be worth $9.1M. Or to look at it a 
different way, with 17,000 customers an ARPU of $100 would only be 
$20.4M compared with the $155.2M they pull in now.


A WISP would be wise to raise their ARPU as opposed to the number of 
customers.


-Matt

Charles Wu wrote:



  
30% of what number Charles?  

   
  

At the last show, 500+ attended representing about 350ish operators
Of these, about 40% responded

Unfortunately, we have a confidentiality agreement with our survey
respondents, so I cannot list names



 

How many WISPs said they have over 1,000 CPE. I can only think of 
about
  

20
 

 

   
  

with that high a number.
A recent Tim Saunders article in BBW World alone that showed about 40+
Wireless Network Operators w/ 1,000+ CPE (and there are a lot more 
that


Tim
 


missed)

Keep in mind, the majority of these operators no longer actively
 


participate


  

in these list-servs, most of em are busy out in the field installing
customers / running their businesses =)

Did you know that in Sedona, AZ alone (middle of no-where in 
Northern AZ
mountains), w/ a total population of ~15k, there are 2 Operators w/ 
1,000+

CPE? (and there's also cable and DSL competition in town too)

Even at the end of my equipment distribution days (late 2004), I 
had at

least 50 customers whom I'd been working with over the years who had
purchased over 1,000 CPE from me...I know for sure that most of 
these guys

are still operating and in business

If you think about it, 1,000 isn't all that much -- take a look at the
numbers

If you've been a WISP since 2001, and you've been steadily buying 
CPE /
installing 20 net new customers (minus churn, etc) / month (~ 1 
install /
working day / month), in over 5 years time (e.g., today in 2006), 
you'd
 


have


  

1,200 customers

Nowadays, w/ $150-$200 turn-key WISP CPE pricing (Motorola, Tranzeo,
Trango), it's hard to even buy CPE in anything smaller than a 20-pack

-Charles

P.S. -- now a

[WISPA] WCA Anyone?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

I'm going to WCA in Washington DC later this month.  Anyone else going?

Matt Larsen
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[WISPA] Wyoming locations that need service

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Shot in the dark, but if there are any providers out there that can hit 
these places, I am a customer for you


Alcova 22495 W US Hwy 220Alcova WY82620
Bairoil503 Antelope DrBairoil  WY82322
Beulah 5930 Old Hwy 14Beulah WY82712
Bondurant 13884 Hwy 191Bondurant WY82922
Cora 5 Noble RdCora WY  82925
Farson  4050 US 191 NFarson  WY82932
Fort Washakie  14 N Fork RdFort Washakie WY82514
Granger   102 Pine StGranger   WY  82934
Kinnear11517 Hwy 26KinnearWY82516
Moran1 Central StMoranWY83013
Opal554 Soliday StOpal  WY83124
Parkman 49 Railway AveParkman WY82838
Powder River 35304 W Hwy 20-26Powder River WY82648
Recluse  488 Recluse RdRecluse  WY82725
Wapiti3189 Northfork HwyWapitiWY82450


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Re: [WISPA] Wyoming locations that need service

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

FWIW, I already cover the same places Brett does.  Most of these are out 
in the middle of nowhere - and I mean way the hell out there.   I did 
get a response from Wyoming.com and it looks like they will be able to 
pick up a couple of them. 

Apparently, the US Postal Service is trying to get broadband to all of 
their post offices and you might check in your respective service areas 
to see if there are any that can't get broadband. 


Take care,

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Pete Davis wrote:
The only Wisp I ever heard of in Wyoming is Brett Glass, and the only 
place I see his posts are on isp-wireless list. I have no idea about 
Wyoming geography.


pd

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Shot in the dark, but if there are any providers out there that can 
hit these places, I am a customer for you


Alcova 22495 W US Hwy 220Alcova WY82620
Bairoil503 Antelope DrBairoil  WY82322
Beulah 5930 Old Hwy 14Beulah WY82712
Bondurant 13884 Hwy 191Bondurant WY82922
Cora 5 Noble RdCora WY  82925
Farson  4050 US 191 NFarson  WY82932
Fort Washakie  14 N Fork RdFort Washakie WY82514
Granger   102 Pine StGranger   WY  82934
Kinnear11517 Hwy 26KinnearWY82516
Moran1 Central StMoranWY83013
Opal554 Soliday StOpal  WY83124
Parkman 49 Railway AveParkman WY82838
Powder River 35304 W Hwy 20-26Powder River WY82648
Recluse  488 Recluse RdRecluse  WY82725
Wapiti3189 Northfork HwyWapitiWY82450


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone systems and 
make sure that they keep at least one POTS line.  Then, even with a dead 
internet connection, they will still have (albeit limited) capabilitity 
to get out and receive phone calls, and also to handle 911.  

I recently sold an 11 extension, four POTS line Asterisk phone system to 
a small business for  around $2500, phones included.  There was a 
considerable amount of profit margin in that amount, and it beat the 
nearest local competitor by $3000.  The customer picked up my 1meg 
Internet service for $49.95 a month and is paying $50/month for 3000 
minutes of long distance and a toll free line.  I also get at least $35 
every time they need a change made to their phone service (new phones, 
reconfiguration, etc).Because the 911 and local dial tone is all on 
the POTS lines, you clevely sidestep that risk.  This beats the heck out 
of trying to do the "outsourced PBX" service, because they have hardware 
onsite and flexibility to go with multiple providers for dial tone, 
including land line ones.


Just another way to look at the picture.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Peter R. wrote:

Marlon,

He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi.
Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a 
dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will 
try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about VoIP, 
especially with the mandatory CALEA compliance.
(http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,19495174%5E24170%5E%5Enbv%5E24169,00.html) 



Weekly, ISPs come to me to offer VoIP. After the CommPartners mess, I 
stopped referring clients to anyone. You just don't know what the 
Wizard of Oz is really doing. Doing it yourself is difficult. When you 
take over the dial-tone of a business, you better make sure that you 
have 5 Nines of reliability with redundancy built-in, because if the 
phones are working, they are losing customers.


And, Marlon, you are correct - most VoIP Providers are NOT making any 
money. 4Q05 delta3 did $9.1M in revenue and kept $25k in income. MSOs 
are probably making $$ on VoIP because they own the network, charge a 
higher rate, and have fixed modems that mitigate the 911 issue. The 
top 7 MSOs now have 10M VoIP users.


When you consider that many CLECs like USLEC, FDN, ITC only have 25k 
customers and can barely eek out a living using wireline, you have to 
consider that VoIP may be difficult to profit on, too.


Many will tell me that they are killing it - profitably - but these 
same companies have less than 1000 broadband subscribers. At a 15% 
take rate, that is 150 VoIP users. That is manageble and using 
Asterisk and a CLEC PRI in a small region could be profitable, before 
scale, growth, and scope start to weigh you down.


Regards,

Peter


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service 
provider.  Not in the long term.


The money will be in the ability to offer good voip capacity but not 
the voip it's self.


Yeah, I know, there are people making money with voip.  I heard that 
song and dance about hot spots too.  IF you are one of the few out 
that with just the right model, capabilities, market etc. good for you.


For the rest of the WISP market, there's far more money to be made 
over the years offering transport.  Especially if the trend for DSL 
and cable companies to mess up other people's voip continues.


Here's the real nail in the coffin of voip:
http://im.yahoo.com/feat_voice.php;_ylt=AlRactYLuOa7.Wxwqq5epPBwMMIF

And that's just ONE provider.  More are bound to come.

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Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Horsecrap.  All I am selling is the phone system. 


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Matt Liotta wrote:
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service 
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with 
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must be 911 
compliant as per the order. Any other services you may or others may 
provide to the customer are not considered when testing your specific 
service for compliance.


-Matt


On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone systems 
and make sure that they keep at least one POTS line.  Then, even with 
a dead internet connection, they will still have (albeit limited) 
capabilitity to get out and receive phone calls, and also to handle 911.
I recently sold an 11 extension, four POTS line Asterisk phone system 
to a small business for  around $2500, phones included.  There was a 
considerable amount of profit margin in that amount, and it beat the 
nearest local competitor by $3000.  The customer picked up my 1meg 
Internet service for $49.95 a month and is paying $50/month for 3000 
minutes of long distance and a toll free line.  I also get at least 
$35 every time they need a change made to their phone service (new 
phones, reconfiguration, etc).Because the 911 and local dial tone 
is all on the POTS lines, you clevely sidestep that risk.  This beats 
the heck out of trying to do the "outsourced PBX" service, because 
they have hardware onsite and flexibility to go with multiple 
providers for dial tone, including land line ones.


Just another way to look at the picture.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Peter R. wrote:

Marlon,

He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi.
Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a 
dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will 
try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about 
VoIP, especially with the mandatory CALEA compliance.
(http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,19495174%5E24170%5E%5Enbv%5E24169,00.html) 



Weekly, ISPs come to me to offer VoIP. After the CommPartners mess, 
I stopped referring clients to anyone. You just don't know what the 
Wizard of Oz is really doing. Doing it yourself is difficult. When 
you take over the dial-tone of a business, you better make sure that 
you have 5 Nines of reliability with redundancy built-in, because if 
the phones are working, they are losing customers.


And, Marlon, you are correct - most VoIP Providers are NOT making 
any money. 4Q05 delta3 did $9.1M in revenue and kept $25k in income. 
MSOs are probably making $$ on VoIP because they own the network, 
charge a higher rate, and have fixed modems that mitigate the 911 
issue. The top 7 MSOs now have 10M VoIP users.


When you consider that many CLECs like USLEC, FDN, ITC only have 25k 
customers and can barely eek out a living using wireline, you have 
to consider that VoIP may be difficult to profit on, too.


Many will tell me that they are killing it - profitably - but these 
same companies have less than 1000 broadband subscribers. At a 15% 
take rate, that is 150 VoIP users. That is manageble and using 
Asterisk and a CLEC PRI in a small region could be profitable, 
before scale, growth, and scope start to weigh you down.


Regards,

Peter


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service 
provider.  Not in the long term.


The money will be in the ability to offer good voip capacity but 
not the voip it's self.


Yeah, I know, there are people making money with voip.  I heard 
that song and dance about hot spots too.  IF you are one of the few 
out that with just the right model, capabilities, market etc. good 
for you.


For the rest of the WISP market, there's far more money to be made 
over the years offering transport.  Especially if the trend for DSL 
and cable companies to mess up other people's voip continues.


Here's the real nail in the coffin of voip:
http://im.yahoo.com/feat_voice.php;_ylt=AlRactYLuOa7.Wxwqq5epPBwMMIF

And that's just ONE provider.  More are bound to come.

Marlon




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Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Lets take a step back...

I never wrote anything about offering VOIP or 911 or E911 - I merely 
mentioned selling an Asterisk based phone system that is capable of 
redirecting long distance calls over VOIP.  The customer that I 
mentioned is not getting their long distance through my VOIP system, 
they are getting it through another ITSP.   The customer has four POTS 
lines and the 911 dialplan goes through those four lines for 911, and 
those lines are the responsibility of the ILEC to take care of 911 - 
e911 or otherwise.  I have no more responsibility than any other PBX 
vendor who installs a system that uses POTS lines.


Who is really at a lot of risk?  The VOIP providers that are promising 
virtual PBX services over the Internet.  A local PBX unit with at least 
one local line is going to always be able to get out, whether the 
Internet is working or not.  The virtual PBX services are heavily 
dependent on the Internet connection working (and working solidly) and 
are toast if the connection is running poorly or completely out. 

FWIW, I will have the same e911 functionality on my VOIP offering that 
the CLECs and several major VOIP carriers are using.  Turns out it isn't 
that hard to get setup, it just costs a fair amount to get setup the 
first time around.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Matt Liotta wrote:


On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Butch Evans wrote:

If you look at what Matt Larsen posted, you will see that (as I have 
stated twice and he stated originally) that his PBX SUPPORTS E911. 
You are either forgetting that or ignoring it.  Here is his post again:

http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/2006-June/026359.html

Actually, he never wrote E911 and instead wrote just 911, which is not 
the same thing. A POTS line may or may not support E911 depending on 
the area one is in. Interestingly, VoIP providers are required to 
support E911 even in areas that E911 is not supported by POTS lines.


Some areas even have both POTS and VoIP lines that are E911 compliant, 
but the PSAP is not E911 capable. One might argue successfully that 
the VoIP provider is not compliant if they sell service in such an 
area. Unfortunately, the closest thing to a fact I have seen in this 
regard is an FCC comment stating that VoIP providers are not allowed 
to market services in areas that are not E911 capable.


The reason for the POTS line is so that 911 calls FROM THAT BUSINESS 
(BUILDING) can be directed that way.  The system Matt described does 
support E911.  Not sure how you are not seeing that.  The only way it 
does not support E911 is if the building is over a certain number of 
square feet (I don't care to look up the number), in which case, he 
will require a POTS line for the other part of the building, or get 
the POTS provider to accept his ANI/ALI information.  You still have 
not made a case that what he is doing is not compliant.  It just 
looks like arguing to me.  :-)


I've written specifically that it doesn't matter if you have a POTS 
line if there is VoIP service involved. If there is a VoIP phone line 
that is capable of making calls to the PSTN then that line MUST 
support E911. No where has the FCC stated that having a separate POTS 
line that does support E911 along side the VoIP line(s) is compliant.


I agree that providing a POTS line to a business for the purpose of 
911 follows the spirit of the regulation, but unfortunately hasn't 
been shown to actually be legal.


BTW, I am not saying you are wrong here, but you have not convinced 
me (or apparently some others) that Matt is wrong.  You are obviously 
very informed here, so please explain exactly HOW the system Matt 
described is NOT compliant.



See above.

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] 900 radio

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

This is not true.  The Tranzeo 900mhz radios can use 20, 10 or 5mhz 
channels.  They only use it all up if that is how you configure it.


Matt Larsen
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Blair Davis wrote:
I've looked at the specs for these units.  They eat the ENTIRE 900MHz 
band as one channel.


Carl A Jeptha wrote:

Contact WAV for pricing on Tranzeo 900 802.11g. My Rep. in Canada is 
Claudio Ricci.


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Butch Evans wrote:


On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Blair Davis wrote:

Hoppers don't play nice with Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum.  On 
the other hand, hoppers can get through more noise



While this is almost accurate, it is not exacly right.  FHSS can 
cause serious problems for a DSSS system, as the hopper runs across 
the band.  HOWEVER, DSSS will trash about 30% of that spectrum for 
the hopper.  (At least that is the approximate ratio for the 2.4GHz 
range.)  Having said that, FHSS in 900 DOES make a lot of sense, so 
long as you have the ability to choose where it hops.







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Re: [WISPA] 900 radio

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I run every email through my BGLASS model fact checker - that takes care 
of the facts.  :^)


I haven't installed any yet.  I've been waiting for Tranzeo to do 900 
this long, and it isn't much longer now.   Unfortunately, we have had to 
un-install five or six customers in the last month because our 
overzealous installers did some installs that worked in the winter and 
quit working as soon as the trees got completely leafed in.  I'm hoping 
to get a few of them back with the 900 stuff.


I'm with you - I need a break too.  Not sure where or when, but we will 
have to get something figured out!


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What?  You mean EVERYTHING on these lists isn't factual?  


Matt have you installed any 900 yet?  Probably not too much need out there
where the trees don't grow?  Out there in Wireless Paradise!

We should get together this fallI'm in need of a break!

Later, 
  
 
Rick Harnish

President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founding Member of WISPA
 
-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 radio

This is not true.  The Tranzeo 900mhz radios can use 20, 10 or 5mhz 
channels.  They only use it all up if that is how you configure it.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Blair Davis wrote:
  
I've looked at the specs for these units.  They eat the ENTIRE 900MHz 
band as one channel.


Carl A Jeptha wrote:


Contact WAV for pricing on Tranzeo 900 802.11g. My Rep. in Canada is 
Claudio Ricci.


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Butch Evans wrote:

  

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Blair Davis wrote:


Hoppers don't play nice with Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum.  On 
the other hand, hoppers can get through more noise
  
While this is almost accurate, it is not exacly right.  FHSS can 
cause serious problems for a DSSS system, as the hopper runs across 
the band.  HOWEVER, DSSS will trash about 30% of that spectrum for 
the hopper.  (At least that is the approximate ratio for the 2.4GHz 
range.)  Having said that, FHSS in 900 DOES make a lot of sense, so 
long as you have the ability to choose where it hops.






  


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Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi Shannon,

We charge $35 an hour to the customer for any extra work over the two 
hour time frame that it generally takes to get the installation done.  
My subcontractors are locked in at that rate for extra work, so it seems 
to work pretty well.


Matt Larsen
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KyWiFi LLC wrote:

We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom
installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc.
How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to
non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a
sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive
at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the
sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just
tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then
pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20
to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then
bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a
profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill
the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else
they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you
try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the
sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation?


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"
http://www.KyWiFi.com
Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP. Looking for your input

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

To answer your questions



(inline)

>1. Is VoIP part of your plans?



Yes



>2. Do you believe VoIP is a viable offering for a WISP?



Depends on the revenue stream possibilities.  One good quote from this 
year's WCA Show VOIP session:  "VOIP is a pain in the ass and doesn't 
make much money, but you better be offering it or someone else will take 
your customer"




>3. What type revenue contribution in terms of additional ARPU do you think

>VoIP can add?



Residential:  Increase from $25-$30/month to $60-$70/month, ($25 for the 
service, extra $10 for VOIP prioritization or move to PRO level of service)


Business:  Same, plus a variable amount according to how many lines they 
have.






>4. If you will or are doing VoIP as a service, will/are you leveraging 
third parties? If so, who do like?




At this time, just using ITSP services to terminate calls.  I have not 
come across a third party that had a decent profit sharing program or 
the ability to put a server in my NOC for local termination.




>5. Would VoIP be offered to your commercial customers, residential or 
both?




Both



>6. If you are obtaining your own switch, what brands are in your top 3?



Only considering Asterisk.  I have three years experience with it, and 
it will "supposedly" scale up a long way. 




>7. Does VoIP capability drive any of your wireless equipment decision

>making?



Yes.  Almost all new deployments of equipment that I put in service are 
higher bandwidth systems or upgradable to higher bandwidth.  




>8. If you are doing now, could you architect out how you do it and what

>adjustment it forced in terms of capacity planning on your wireless 
>network?




I currently have an Asterisk server that is terminating about ten beta 
customers.  The crucial thing is to have the VOIP server sitting at the 
NOC, where you can control the data flow to/from it.  That is the only 
way to guarantee an acceptable level of call quality.  Customers on 5ghz 
(802.11a) connections have no problems at all.  Customers on 2.4ghz 
(802.11b) are okay as long as they are on light or moderately loaded 
access points (under 40).  My furthest customer is on the far end of 125 
miles of wireless backbone, and has had few problems with it, but I also 
haven't "tuned" our network for VOIP yet.  That is one of my projects 
for the fall.




Matt Larsen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 









Any other comments or issues on the subject would be welcome.



Patrick Leary

AVP Marketing

Alvarion, Inc.

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[WISPA] Source for cheap PCs

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive desktop PCs that could be 
shipped quickly?


I have a couple of MTU projects coming up and needs some low end PCs to 
install Mikrotik and StarOS on.   I'm looking for some PCs in the 
$30-$50 per unit range.


Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Web site update

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Thanks for the heads up on the link.  The signup page is hosted in a 
different location, so I am forwarding the information to the correct 
place to get it fixed.


I added all of the general mailling lists to a link on the side.  Thanks 
for the heads up on that Peter.


I'm working on a separate page for the state mailling lists, so that 
they are listed in one spot rather than as a drop down box. 

Other than that, we need to have about three or four people to 
contribute articles for the main content page.  The content here is from 
May, as that is when we did the first presentation of this site.  We 
need to come up with some good content.   This new site is also RSS 
capable (there is a link at the bottom of the menu on the left) so if we 
can get some more content, I think the site will start to get a lot more 
traffic and consistent traffic at that.


Thanks for the comments, and keep them coming!

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Peter R. wrote:

George Rogato wrote:


Thank you Matt Larsen for your hard work.
http://www.wispa.org/

George


Matt,
Great job!

This link from the sign-up page is broken:
http://www.wispa.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=26&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 



Where is the link to the mailing lists?



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Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Calm down kids!!

First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing 
some self-control.  Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a 
request to change the name of the thread.  FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack 
this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their 
experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded.  That is entirely 
appropriate.  There would not be a response like George's if you didn't 
have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists.  What 
George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't 
subscribe to a list of you are on it.  I'm not going to go into details 
here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a 
breakdown.   Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and 
subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management.


Second, to George.  I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the 
lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to 
JohnnyO offlist.  I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a 
slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people 
who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other.  
Not a big deal at all.


Finally, to everyone...

I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the 
WISPA lists, and I  hope we continue to build that sense of community.  
I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some 
legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the 
members.  Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me 
by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight.  It has taken 
some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in 
their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I 
think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance 
between total control and anarchy. 


Peace out,

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


JohnnyO wrote:

George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is,
then you fall under the same category. 


I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff
? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my
opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you
to practice DICTATORSHIP ? 


I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS
crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I
would look for posts labled Star-OS ! 


Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines
of the threads.

I do have an opinion and am a paying member.

Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out
bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof.

I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will
continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also
Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service
or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I "slammed" a
vendor on WISPA.

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2


  
*Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. 
We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~


JohnnyO



Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice
Bigotry.

On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot.


We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors 
who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps


who will not subscribe to a list that your on.

I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting
privileges.


George

  


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Re: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Thanks JohnnyO.

Matt Larsen (conveniently located halfway between Louisiana and Canada, 
between the two extremes :^)

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JohnnyO wrote:

I appologize if I offended any canadians with my "canadian" comment.
Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a
thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with
the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. 


Bash me offlist if needed.

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED]


Better late than never!  This Thread is closed.  Start a new thread if
you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline
discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and
concerns have been voiced.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact

same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree 
with everything you said here.

:-)
Scriv



Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

  

Calm down kids!!

First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing
some self-control.  Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make 
a request to change the name of the thread.  FWIW, Lonnie did NOT 
hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up



  
their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded.  That is 
entirely appropriate.  There would not be a response like George's if 
you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other 
lists.  What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs



  
that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it.  I'm not going to go 
into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you 
want a breakdown.   Also it is not George's responsibility to manage 
posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list 
management.


Second, to George.  I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on
the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond 
to JohnnyO offlist.  I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, 
just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of



  
people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each 
other.  Not a big deal at all.


Finally, to everyone...

I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the
WISPA lists, and I  hope we continue to build that sense of 
community.  I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see 
some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged 
between the members.  Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most 
useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened 
overnight.  It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have 
to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out 
of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of 
maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy.

Peace out,

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


JohnnyO wrote:


George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, 
then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor 
to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the
  


  

Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my
  


  
opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP 
? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and 
Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of 
Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS !

Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject
  

lines
  

of the threads.

I do have an opinion and am a paying member.

Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out 
bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof.


I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and 
will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and 
also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer 
service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I 
"slammed" a vendor on WISPA.


JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of George Rogato

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2


 

  

*

[WISPA] Customer needing connectivity

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

I have a customer looking for wholesale bandwidth (T1 or better) in the 
following locations:


Clifton, TX
Muleshoe, TX
Memphis, TX
Crystal Beach, TX
Corning, OH
Kinderhook IL
Orcus Island, WA


Anyone that can help, please contact me offlist.  Thanks!

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

When it comes to my customer's information and what they do, I use DKDC 
protocol.  If a spook comes by asking for logs, they get the NOYB 
protocol.  If they have a court order, they get FIOY protocol.


Matt Larsen
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DKDC=Dont Know, Dont Care
NOYB=None Of Your Business
FIOY=Figure It Out Yourself

Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

...imagine if some entry were mistakenly interpreted and an innocent
subscriber were to take the brunt of the terror-squad's wrath...
especially if that subscriber was a fierce lawyer.
. . . j o n a t h a n

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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:55 PM
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
  

I do not want the legal liability of being responsible for having such


logs,
  

keeping such logs, and having to prove such logs are absolutely accurate.
That's just that part.


Amen to that brother!

Sam Tetherow
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[WISPA] Friday Fun

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

One of my friends produces cable TV comercials, and his latest is a 
doozy.  He produced and stars in this commercial for GI Mobile Computing.


http://www.thelar.com/movies/gimobile.mpg

Guaranteed to kick the Geek Squad's ass.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] 73 mile link

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

This is very doable.  I have  a 65 mile link with Trangos and 4' Dishes 
with a -65 signal.  They would work just fine with 3' dishes.


You will probably have to go with Orthogon, Redline or possibly B100 to 
make that work at those costs. 


Matt Larsen
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Mario Pommier wrote:

Gentlemen,
   Is this even doable?: 74 mile point-to-point link.
   Very Clear LOS to mountaintop.
   Thinking of a 40Mbps minimum.  This means 5.8Ghz I guess.
   This is the kind of thing I have to stretch my mind to in order to 
reduce my bandwidth costs to the internet.

   Thanks.

Mario


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[WISPA] Connection Tracking problem on StarOS backhauls

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

Just came across a problem that was easy to fix and thought everyone 
should know about it.


We had a couple of backhaul links that were having some strange issues, 
dropping lots of packets on all interfaces and then mysteriously 
stopping or requiring a reboot to get back into operation.  We recently 
upgraded our WAR boards with V3 to build 2080 and turned on OSPF routing 
on the backhauls in question.  The problem started to happen after the 
upgrades, and I was suspecting that the OSPF was part of the problem.


Anyway, some troubleshooting turned up that connection tracking was 
turned on.  I don't know if it was already on or not in our 
configuration, but we do not have any need for it to be turned on in our 
backhaul radios so we turned it off.  Since turning it off, the flaky 
connections became absolutely rock solid and the OSPF routing seems to 
be working fine. 

I hope this saves someone else the pain and suffering that we just went 
through for the past week!


Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

snitch.net  ???

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

Jack Unger wrote:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-proposes-bu.html




Would you like to see your advertisement here?  Let the WISPA Board know your 
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Board is taking this under consideration at this time.  We want to know your 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Thanks for the useful information about Cell Phone Repeaters.   No 
thanks for the non-related information.


This thread is now CLOSED.  Any more onlist responses to it will be 
forwarded to the list moderator and the contributors will be suspended 
from the list.


NEW SUBJECT!

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[WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, 
WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves 
dishes.  


Here are the results:

42 mile shot
10mhz channel size
-58 signal strength
10-12meg throughput

62 mile shot
10mhz channel size
-60 signal strength
8-10meg throughput

I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what 
our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle.  I thought they would be 
able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm 
going to be able to get any more out of them.   If only I had sprung for 
the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each 
side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links.   
I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range 
in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage 
issues. 

What is really amazing to me is the signal strength.   These are the 
only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest 
backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the 
longest.  I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still 
blows me away.


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Re: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links

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Ubiquity SR5.

Matt Larsen
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Wallace L. Walcher wrote:

What Radios did you use?
Ubiqui
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links

Hi all,

Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, 
WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves 
dishes.  


Here are the results:

42 mile shot
10mhz channel size
-58 signal strength
10-12meg throughput

62 mile shot
10mhz channel size
-60 signal strength
8-10meg throughput

I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what 
our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle.  I thought they would be 
able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm 
going to be able to get any more out of them.   If only I had sprung for 
the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each 
side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links.   
I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range 
in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage 
issues. 

What is really amazing to me is the signal strength.   These are the 
only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest 
backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the 
longest.  I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still 
blows me away.


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Re: [WISPA] iPhone

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have one of these phones, and as excited as I was about it, it is 
pretty disappointing.   Very ALPHA.   I was unable to get it to actually 
work after several hours of trying to get the software loaded and 
configured. 

I am going to put some more time into it, but it sounds like the second 
version is supposed to be much better.   If this one had wifi, I would 
have put a lot more effort into it.


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Brandon Brownlee wrote:

www.Openmoko.com

That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention
from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the existing
apps that should work on it straight outta the box.

Have too much time on your hands?
http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html


I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's "iPhone killer" as well, but
it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version.

Brandon


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is
easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard
on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would
have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have).

On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone


on
  

ebay... including shipping.

 And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other
iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the
same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into AT&T whom does not work
out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is
wifi


On 10/2/07, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC


Mogul
  

look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol

I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't
bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. 

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

Tom,

It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than
anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how
we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so
that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone
before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button
and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on
their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone
is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per
month on my phone, so that was #1 priority.

The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by
usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert
systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for
that.

It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome.
It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's
rated at 2MP. No current GPS support.

Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all
the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge.

The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty
good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work
pretty well.

It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works)
and a very nice, easy to use interface.

The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has
everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a
techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's
small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and
keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net.

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:


 I'm interested in more feedback.

Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs?
I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was
concerned about its missing features.
Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera?



 You can listen to your music

 Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life?
How is the battery life?
And not hearing the phone ring, because of it?
Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it?

Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty?

We know the full screen is clearly a winner.
But how is the keypad?

I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative
palmtop WindowCe style phones.

T

[WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

FWIW, my E70 rules.   It is by far the best phone I have ever used.   
Take that, iPhone fanboys!


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

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Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone - Thread CLOSED!

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I apologize for sending this link.   I thought it was funny, but it has 
quite a bit of crude language and should have been thinking before I 
forwarded it. 


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Rick Harnish wrote:

Thread CLOSED!

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FWIW, my E70 rules.   It is by far the best phone I have ever used.   
Take that, iPhone fanboys!


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

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[WISPA] OpenMoko Phone

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

My OpenMoko phone is fairly well built.   The back of the case comes off 
a little to easily for my taste, but other than that, it is pretty solid. 

I am having some weird issues getting it to work, and I haven't had a 
lot of time to delve into linux geekery to try and get it operational.   
It has also probably come out with five or six software revisions since 
the last time I set it up, so I'm going to have to get after it if I 
want to actually be able to use it and show it to people at ISPCON.


Unfortunately, without wifi in it (mine is one of the early releases) it 
is way too limited.   I was really looking forward to having a SIP 
client phone that only occasionally went on the GSM network when wifi 
was not available.  Maybe next version.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


--Original Mail--
From: "Brandon Brownlee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:18:18 -0600
Subject: RE: [WISPA] iPhone

I'm hoping the consumer version carries WiFi and a camera at least at 2mp.
They definitely go out of their way to let you know it's a dev version
still. They also state the demand for the dev phones at $300 has run them
out of phones, but then they may have only made 2 phones to begin with :) .
And just think, you can 'hack' the device all day and not have to worry
about a firmware upgrade mysteriously bricking the phone.

I'm not an early adopter of tech, though, unless it's just the bee's knees.
Cell phones have yet to cause that kind of reaction in me. I mean, I have a
Treo 650 that still has default ring tones and no apps. Best intentions.

Is it built well, Matt?

Brandon

-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

I have one of these phones, and as excited as I was about it, it is 
pretty disappointing.   Very ALPHA.   I was unable to get it to actually 
work after several hours of trying to get the software loaded and 
configured. 

I am going to put some more time into it, but it sounds like the second 
version is supposed to be much better.   If this one had wifi, I would 
have put a lot more effort into it.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Brandon Brownlee wrote:
  

www.Openmoko.com

That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention
from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the


existing
  

apps that should work on it straight outta the box.

Have too much time on your hands?
http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html


I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's "iPhone killer" as well, but
it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version.

Brandon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is
easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard
on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would
have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have).

On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  


 Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone

  

on
  


ebay... including shipping.

 And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other
iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the
same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into AT&T whom does not work
out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is
wifi


On 10/2/07, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC

  

Mogul
  


look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol

I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't
bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. 

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

Tom,

It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than
anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how
we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so
that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone
before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button
and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on
their name and you

[WISPA] Service in Washington State

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Good morning
I am looking for DSL, or wireless  servcie anything at the following 2 
sites


8409 North Texas Road, Anacortes, WA 98221  Phone 360-293-6323.

5232 Lake Terrell Road. Fermdale. WA 98248 Phone 360-380-1945.

Please anything you can do to help would be appreciated

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

My strong feeling is that the free market approach is by far the best 
approach to the Network Neutrality/Network Management.  If Comcast wants 
to degrade the service to their customers, then that is an opportunity 
for the other providers in the market - they are essentially degrading 
their own service, especially if they are doing it in a way that 
"breaks" specific applications.   In markets where there is a monopoly 
or duopoly  and both providers engage in purposefully breaking specific 
applications, leaving the customer with no choices, the market condition 
is a result of poor regulatory policy - not poor network management.   
Competition will take care of that problem.  The few remaining 
independent ISPs have this as one of the few potential advantages that 
they can bring to the table - a truly different type of service, with 
the concerns of the provider and the customer in balance and appropriate 
for both parties.  The issue that Vuze seems to be taking is that 
breaking of applications is unacceptable, but good network management is 
fine, as long as it doesn't discriminate against specific applications 
or protocols.


I do take issue with the characterization of Vuze/BitTorrent as being a 
"parasite" on our networks.   They are not forcing the customer to use 
them for content - our customers paid for connectivity to the Internet, 
and should be able to use that connectivity for whatever they want to, 
in a way that does not degrade the performance of the network.   It is 
the responsibility of the network operator to deploy the network is a 
way to deliver appropriate levels of service,  establish clear 
definitions of the different levels of service and communicate the 
differences to the customers so that they know what they are getting.  I 
personally love Vuze, I use it to get my favorite Showtime shows and 
also for downloading OS images and software updates.  Using it for these 
purposes doesn't harm or degrade my network and is a very appropriate 
set of uses for me or any other user on my network.  It does help that I 
have optimized the software to use a limited number of connections, and 
have also optimized my network to ensure that no customers are able to 
open an excessive number of connections to use it.   This not a 
violation of "Network Neutrality" or an example of "Intentional 
Degradation" to an application.   It is optimization.  It is also the 
responsibility of companies like Vuze to make sure that their software 
is optimized for good performance as well - it is in their best interest.


Bit Caps are not necessarily the answer, as it introduces levels of 
billing complexity and doesn't always represent the best solution.  If 
there is extra capacity on the network, and the provider's backbone 
connection is not subject to bit caps or usage-based billing, then bit 
caps are not needed because the economic cost of extra bits is 
inconsequential.   However, too many have taken this too far, leading to 
the idea that "bits are free", which is total B.S.   There is always an 
underlying foundational cost of infrastructure connectivity, and that 
cost needs to be taken into consideration.   The "free bits" exist in 
the netherland of non-peak hours and the interval between a backbone 
connection that is too large and one that is saturated.  Free bits 
represent a place for innovation, and some providers are doing just 
that, with open downloads and service level upgrades during off-peak 
hours.   But not all bits are free.


In conclusion, I don't think that the Vuze petition is too far off the 
mark.   Someone SHOULD be raising a stink about what Comcast is doing - 
it goes beyond prudent network management and right into anti-trust type 
behavior. 


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com









Anthony Will wrote:

Here is some food for thought,

We may want to approach this issue with a free market approach.  We 
may want to emphasize that the free market can and will self regulate 
this behavior.  If Comcast is discouraging their customers from 
operating this type of software, that creates an opportunity for 
another operator to move into the area that does not. We do have to 
keep in the back of our mind that the main issue for us as wireless 
operators is that P2P solutions create an burden on our systems not so 
much for bandwidth but on the amount of connections that are created 
by this type of software.  One P2P application that goes wild with 
2000+ connctions can bring an AP to its knees thus effecting 50 - 200 
other customers on that same AP.
We may also want to empathize that his type of "distributed" content 
if allowed to continue likely will lead to bit caps or other types of 
metered solutions for customers.  Vuze and other "content" providers 
are looking to use our infrastructure to implement their business 
plans without paying for that distribution, with the minor exception 
of a one time "seeding" of that contact to the Internet.  This is in 
my opinion

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

becomes _the_ medium for delivering 
this,
you can adapt to that by...the end of this week.  Your competition 
will take

years and years to get to this point and fight it every step of the way.

From a revenue / cost standpoint, they simply cannot survive in such an

environment.

However, if people use Joost and Vuze and whatall, then they can use 
YOUR
connection and no longer have a need to get their video services 
elsewhere.

Embrace this.  Advertise this.  Help your customers find video services
online.  Make a portal for this.  Start mailing your customers (and your
competitor's customers!) and saying "Bob's Internet: includes over 
10,000

video channels for free" and "Bob's three step guide to saving $800 per
year: (step 1: get Bob's Internet, step 2: Tell your cable company 
"bye-bye"

step 3: Enjoy 10,000 video channels on Bob's Internet Access).

Get your customers thinking: "I can watch CSI and so forth on the
Internet".  You take a data customer away from a cable company...big 
deal.
You get a community converted to watching their video on the Internet 
and
the math changes DRASTICALLY in your favor.  You are trying to 
compete using
a business model that revolves around a $30-$40 average monthly 
revenue per
customer against providers who have $100-$250 average monthly revenue 
per

customer.  Attack that!  They simply can't afford to be profitable on a
single pipe / single service model--you can.

Remember, the late 90s were a golden era for independent ISPs because 
they
got ahead of the curve.  Most of you are, quite bluntly, behind the 
curve

now.  This is an opportunity to get ahead of the curve

Comment on this to the FCC--just comment in favor of Network Neutrality.
Believe it or not, you will do MUCH better under this model than your
competition because it very much favors your business model and is
incredibly harmful to your competitor's business model.  If you 
question my
math, feel free to contact me offl-list--there are some specifics 
that I'm

not willing to discuss in a public forum.

Thanks,
Clint Ricker
-Kentnis Technologies





On Nov 18, 2007 10:44 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



My strong feeling is that the free market approach is by far the best
approach to the Network Neutrality/Network Management.  If Comcast 
wants

to degrade the service to their customers, then that is an opportunity
for the other providers in the market - they are essentially degrading
their own service, especially if they are doing it in a way that
"breaks" specific applications.   In markets where there is a monopoly
or duopoly  and both providers engage in purposefully breaking specific
applications, leaving the customer with no choices, the market 
condition

is a result of poor regulatory policy - not poor network management.
Competition will take care of that problem.  The few remaining
independent ISPs have this as one of the few potential advantages that
they can bring to the table - a truly different type of service, with
the concerns of the provider and the customer in balance and 
appropriate

for both parties.  The issue that Vuze seems to be taking is that
breaking of applications is unacceptable, but good network 
management is

fine, as long as it doesn't discriminate against specific applications
or protocols.

I do take issue with the characterization of Vuze/BitTorrent as being a
"parasite" on our networks.   They are not forcing the customer to use
them for content - our customers paid for connectivity to the Internet,
and should be able to use that connectivity for whatever they want to,
in a way that does not degrade the performance of the network.   It is
the responsibility of the network operator to deploy the network is a
way to deliver appropriate levels of service,  establish clear
definitions of the different levels of service and communicate the
differences to the customers so that they know what they are 
getting.  I

personally love Vuze, I use it to get my favorite Showtime shows and
also for downloading OS images and software updates.  Using it for 
these

purposes doesn't harm or degrade my network and is a very appropriate
set of uses for me or any other user on my network.  It does help 
that I

have optimized the software to use a limited number of connections, and
have also optimized my network to ensure that no customers are able to
open an excessive number of connections to use it.   This not a
violation of "Network Neutrality" or an example of "Intentional
Degradation" to an application.   It is optimization.  It is also the
responsibility of companies like Vuze to make sure that their software
is optimized for good performance as well - it is in their best 
interest.


Bit Caps are not necessarily the answer, as it introduces levels of
billing complexity and doesn't always represent the best solut

Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

George,

Comcast's customers are the ones paying for access to the Comcast 
network.   If a Comcast customer wants to use Vuze, he should be able to 
because he is ALREADY PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO USE THE NETWORK.   

This idea of content providers being "parasites" on networks is a total 
load of horsecrap promoted by the phone and cable companies to keep 
their networks as closed as possible.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


George Rogato wrote:

Another thought is

Why wouldn't Vuze have to pay Comcast for using the Comcast network to 
support it's business plan.


If they are relying on Comcasts network to store and send files to 
it's customer base, why should they be treated for a free ride instead 
of using a hosting provider like Akamia.


Guess that is just as a significant point as any other, the fair 
compensation for services?






 


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Re: [WISPA] PHP Helpdesk

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Freeside with built in RT Ticket system.   RT is also available as a 
standalone application, and works well.   We use it to keep track of 
installs, deinstalls, service calls, maintenance work and a few other 
things as well.   


Matt Larsen
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Ty Carter  wrote:

Platypus w/ wombat (www.boardtown.com)

Or cerebus (http://www.cerberusweb.com)

Ty Carter

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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:20 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] PHP Helpdesk

Does anyone have a recommendation for a PHP helpdesk?


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Re: [WISPA] FDX Wireless

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

StarOS V3 does true FDX with dual cards.

Matt Larsen
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Mike Hammett wrote:

Other than N-Streme 2, what out there is true FDX and not just HDX with 50/50 
balancing?


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Re: [WISPA] Freeside + QuickBooks

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Just use QuickBooks to do your regular bookkeeping, and Freeside to 
handle the Accounts Receivable from your ISP customers.   Everyday, we 
input all of our payments into Freeside, then add up the deposit and put 
the total deposit into QuickBooks under "Freeside Deposits".   This 
system has worked great for us for the last several years.


Matt Larsen
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Mike Hammett wrote:

When Googling, I find that Freeside and QuickBooks are competitors in the WISP 
billing environment. However, I see them more as complimentary than 
competition. How can I export what Freeside does into QuickBooks?


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[WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units 
from Lucaya and wanted to share the results.   These are the new four 
radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the 
authors of StarOS).   The latest versions of the firmware now support 
full duplex operation.   I took two units and configured them for full 
duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest 
utility to see what the performance looks like. 

General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both 
directions at the same time.   If one end is not pushing at full speed, 
the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 
50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other.   I didn't get any 
speeds faster than 50 meg.   This was using standard 20mhz channels.  
40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out.  
I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU 
units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. 

For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are 
very versatile.   I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX 
mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles.   I even have 
one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg 
consistently.   They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points.   
We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between 
the three sectors.   The board is doing an outstanding job and very 
clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the 
same three sectors before.


Here is a link to the Lucaya store:  http://www.station-server.com/store/

I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well.  

To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business 
since I've been doing wireless.   I thought it made sense to share it 
with everyone.


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[WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Hi all,

I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am 
currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers 
and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the 
towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 
2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm 
planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be 
able to maintain 100meg speeds.

I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for 
this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd 
like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a  
$12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list 
about this one.

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Mark,

 

There is the world we'd like and then there is the world that we have.  You
may have the luxury of ignoring the world we have, but WISPA is a trade
organization that represents people who have to live in it and run their
businesses.  Whether you or I like it or not, the WISP industry operates in
spectrum that belongs to the people.and their government.  The government
has chosen to allow the FCC to be the primary decision maker about how and
if spectrum is allocated.  Before WISPA, there really was no voice for WISPs
at the FCC (unless you count Mike Anderson and Part 15).  WISPA has become a
VERY effective advocate for WISPs at the FCC and to the various government
entities.  Jack and Forbes, along with Rini/Coran have made huge progress.
We've received invaluable support from our membership in this effort.  We
are meeting later this month in DC with a number of our members, to talk to
elected and appointed officials.  They know who we are, who we represent,
and they want to know what we think of various policy options.  Before
WISPA, they pretty much just heard from the big carriers.  

 

Have there been mis-steps?  Sure.  We work to minimize those and to maximize
the benefit to ALL WISPs, particularly our membership.  

 

I've known you for a long time, and I like you and admire your passion.  We
share a lot of similar philosophies.  In my opinion, you've crossed the line
here.  You are using WISPA assets (mailing list) to trash WISPA.  If you
have an issue with WISPA; go away completely; or jump in, join, and run for
the Board.  Taking semi-annual pot-shots at the organization.on our mailing
lists, is not the right way to do things.

 

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

 

I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should
Be, Because It Once Was.   

 

The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

 

 

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I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and
how they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the
camp fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to
their own corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an
understanding on the 'Democratic Principles of Government'  on how they
function and operate.

You seem to be totally missing the last 2 thirds of the  'for the people, of
the people and by the people' , and yes it is precisely because of thinking
like yours (suggested in your own words), that the Great French Philosophers
of their time, said that the US Constitution / way of Governing is never
going to work, and it is doomed for failure  When asked why ? The
response was .. 'Simple. common people are not interested in participating
in the Governing process'.

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I agree Faisal!  As much as we may not like the way our government runs
things, we have the right to petition, to protest, and ultimately, the
ballot box.  My hat is off to people who are able to make things work under
MUCH more difficult circumstances!

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
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574-220-7826 (Cell)
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:12 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

E se. Akinlolu.

Short, sweet, to the point... spoken by a person who is operating in an 
Environment that makes our Environment look like a walk in the park !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 5/4/2012 2:27 AM, Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe wrote:
> This list is fun. WISPA is doing a great job. In Nigeria where I operate
our association is not doing enough to protect uss. Its not even making bad
decisions. To renew your license is really hard - easier to get a new one. I
could go on and on. Members should be grateful and either accept what they
get or join the management and effect change.
>
>
> Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
> +234(0)8023258027
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:13:53
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.
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Re: [WISPA] Happy Mother's DayYour Mom deserves the best every day

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I just had to put this out on Facebook!  

Have a great day Clyde!
 


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Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Clyde Messinger
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:02 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Happy Mother's DayYour Mom deserves the best every day

Your Mom deserves the BEST every day, and something extra Today...

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[WISPA] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

I've just spent an amazing two days circling the Capital, with a great group
of folks, spreading the WISP message!

We had 25 or so folks who split in to teams (the whole thing was set up and
implemented by Forbes Mercy!) and went to visit the Congressional offices
for each of the team members.  We found staffers who REALLY wanted to know
about what WISPs are doing to bring broadband to the unserved!  We got to
speak directly to a number of Congressmen and Senators too!

Some of these folks were not particularly technical.  Some were more
technical than the WISPs that visited.  The most powerful tool we had were
the state broadband maps.  EVERYONE can read a map, even if they don't know
a AP from the UP.  

My plea is this:  PLEASE make the effort to get your WISP on the state and
national maps!!!  If you aren't on there, for these folks, you don't exist.
If you aren't a member of WISPA, PLEASE join!  The power of numbers was
incredibly clear.

Lastly, I believe that these trips are going to become a regular event.  You
owe it to yourself, your business, and your industry to make every effort to
be a part of this process.  Get to know your Congressmen.  Get to know the
key staff.  Keep in touch with them.  Be a resource.  Come visit DC for an
Advocacy Day.

Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's going to vary by state.  In general, participate in your state mapping
project and complete your 477 form. 

 

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Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:41 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

 

What maps?  Connected Nation?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 18, 2012 8:15 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

Hi All,

I've just spent an amazing two days circling the Capital, with a great group
of folks, spreading the WISP message!

We had 25 or so folks who split in to teams (the whole thing was set up and
implemented by Forbes Mercy!) and went to visit the Congressional offices
for each of the team members.  We found staffers who REALLY wanted to know
about what WISPs are doing to bring broadband to the unserved!  We got to
speak directly to a number of Congressmen and Senators too!

Some of these folks were not particularly technical.  Some were more
technical than the WISPs that visited.  The most powerful tool we had were
the state broadband maps.  EVERYONE can read a map, even if they don't know
a AP from the UP.

My plea is this:  PLEASE make the effort to get your WISP on the state and
national maps!!!  If you aren't on there, for these folks, you don't exist.
If you aren't a member of WISPA, PLEASE join!  The power of numbers was
incredibly clear.

Lastly, I believe that these trips are going to become a regular event.  You
owe it to yourself, your business, and your industry to make every effort to
be a part of this process.  Get to know your Congressmen.  Get to know the
key staff.  Keep in touch with them.  Be a resource.  Come visit DC for an
Advocacy Day.

Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106   (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484   (Int'l)


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[WISPA] What you can do!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

#1 is working to ensure that you and every WISP you know is working with the
mapping efforts and filing their 477 form.  The maps were GOLD when talking
to the folks in DC.  Most don't really understand spectrum...but they can
read a map...and they know how it overlays their district!

#2 would be to attend, or help fund, WISPA's new Advocacy Day program.  We
had a great response to the first one, and will be doing one annually, and
others as needed.

#3 PLEASE get to know your Congressman/Senators and their key staffers!  You
don't have to go to DC to do that (unless of course you are trying to see
Senator Lugar...), you can go visit them in their local offices.

#4 spread the word about WISPA.  If we don't hang together, we'll hang
separately!  No one will agree with every single position a trade group
takes, but WISPA labors to ensure that we are representing the views of the
majority of our membership...and WE ARE making a difference!


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi Chip,

I've heard a lot of concern and frustration about working with CN in some
areas.  The concern was primarily because of CN's apparent ties to the large
carriers.  The frustration was about changing methodologies and having to
submit multiple times.

Can you address these?

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Spann, Chip
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

Jeff's #1 point is spot on!  If you are not already participating in your
state's broadband map, I encourage you to do so.  Recently, we've even
created propagation studies for WISPs outside of our states so that they can
simply give an electronic file to their state mapping agent.

If you haven't participated yet and operate a system that covers any part of
AK, IA, MI, MN, NV, OH, PR, SC, TN or TX - I'd like to hear from you.

Regards,

Charles "Chip" Spann
Director - Engineering & Technical Services
Connected Nation, Inc.
csp...@connectednation.org
Mobile:  (270) 799-0448

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] What you can do!

Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

#1 is working to ensure that you and every WISP you know is working with the
mapping efforts and filing their 477 form.  The maps were GOLD when talking
to the folks in DC.  Most don't really understand spectrum...but they can
read a map...and they know how it overlays their district!

#2 would be to attend, or help fund, WISPA's new Advocacy Day program.  We
had a great response to the first one, and will be doing one annually, and
others as needed.

#3 PLEASE get to know your Congressman/Senators and their key staffers!  You
don't have to go to DC to do that (unless of course you are trying to see
Senator Lugar...), you can go visit them in their local offices.

#4 spread the word about WISPA.  If we don't hang together, we'll hang
separately!  No one will agree with every single position a trade group
takes, but WISPA labors to ensure that we are representing the views of the
majority of our membership...and WE ARE making a difference!


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l)


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