Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS

Crane, Matthew wrote: Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end with

Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. What about correlat

Re: Newbee wants to kick start - second try

ramsesoriginal wrote: If it's like that, then a simple amplitude-modulation over a pre-recorded, fixed, carrier of the encrypted data should be no problem, since amplitudes are sent... It's not. It sends what is in essence a model of what state the human throat is in. This is what the codec is

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

David Murrell wrote: Wait a minute... /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals gives some ideas. The basis of this is the accelerometer used in the wii - as that is about the sensit

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

ramsesoriginal wrote: I think this would be great.. Ideally it would not decode it completely, but simply encode the video with some simpler compression... Another question: if we skip sound, would the decoding be faster? By how much? As a datapoint, most VCD class mpegs/avis I had around pla

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you could use one of those 'coming very soon' Laser projection device(s) connected to USB ? USB1.1 only (on the Freerunner) And they are not cheap. (presumably) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.open

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

Jens Fursund wrote: Mikko Rauhala wrote: Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding (remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at straws makes OM bump up the priority

Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridden' with unfixable problems, would it be 'thinkable' to replace the internals of the device with a FreeRunner Motherboard ? I heard that the most costly part of a device it the screen, and that the screen IFA

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

hank williams wrote: I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seem

Re: Graphics Performance

Iain B. FIndleton wrote: > It appears to me that the implementation on the FR is not capable of > moving an updated frame buffer in memory to the chip's video buffer, > presuming they are different, without draping. Since the controller > appears to be able to rescan its own video buffer without

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote: It's not a matter of "should." A person DOES have the freedom to run proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in economics).

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

Mike wrote: The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal; the goal is to have a 100% free software phone. That is abosulutely not the goal. The goal actually IS a "[large] ammount of applications available for the phone". If someone from OM chimes in and says OSS-only rea

Re: Position of u-SD slot?

Michael Dickens wrote: On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: Unfortunately, it's behind the battery. It's a SIM card/microSD combo device. Anyone believe that there is space to run an antenna wire (or 2) around the battery w/o ruining the device? - MLD Probably tricky. OTOH, a

Re: Phone enhancements

Bryce Leo wrote: You'd have to be doing some serious zigzagging: resolution of GPS at street level is about 50 meters... Exactly the point!! if you're zig zaggin that much you definately need to have the cops get called! But on a serious note, how could it be 50 meters? That's about 165 feet

Re: Silent mode timeout

Scott Oberg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. I cc openmoko-devel for interested developer. On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 09:30, Ben Burdette wrote: A simple feature that I'd like to see is a silent mode timeout. What always happens with my current

Re: Phone enhancements

Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: Hi! On 1/29/07, Graham Auld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryce Leo Sent: 29 January 2007 14:31 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Phone enhancements > You'

Re: Encrypting voice comunications..

Mikko Rauhala wrote: pe, 2007-02-02 kello 09:54 -0800, Tim Newsom kirjoitti: So, though possibly inefficient, we could not some how take the analog audio stream, do some predictable and reversible encoding/encrypting then convert into sounds again.. Like doing base64 encoding for binary data..

Re: Voice over GPRS?

Crane, Matthew wrote: With a point to point link what would be the minimal software stack needed? There's only so much CPU, might it be more appropriate to use a relatively lightweight process to rx/tx+encrypt/decrypt the data? In any case, the idea of an open encryption standard for cell ph

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and insi

Re: [OT] Re: data encryption + Biometric security

Harald Welte wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:45:55PM -0500, Heilpern, Mark wrote: In any case, to get back to the Neo1973, or even future phones: I don't think that there are many sensors that fulfill the following criteria 1) full hardware docs (may be under NDA, but allowing GPL softwar

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside

Re: Neo1973 video (was Re: What would be a realistic but challenging level for Bryce announced trophy money for video playback on the Neo1973? Re: h.264 format is now open?)

Mikko Rauhala wrote: la, 2007-02-03 kello 14:47 +0100, Harald Welte kirjoitti: Also, the 770 has a landscape display. We have a portrait display. The S3C2410 cannot rotate the image, so you would have to rotate every frame in software, too! Modifying a player to render the image to be rotate

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Saturday 03 February 2007 18:50:02 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) Much as I love flashing lights (there's just something *wron

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Stirling writes: We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are

Re: Text messaging on the OpenMoko platform

Fabian Off wrote: Am Dienstag, 6. Februar 2007 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala: You can do nice things with your own persistently available server, yes, but one shouldn't be necessary to mostly enjoy OpenMoko. You mentioned a web gateway; I assume you mean a web proxy that's tunable to eg. recompress im

Re: Free maps after all?

Florent THIERY wrote: Just to mention, use of Google maps is not free, it comes only with their software, or trough the browser interface Of course. But, do you really think that the open source community will be able to add every POIs (shops, cafes, etc...) ? The content to generate (tagging

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes. Are we talking: Cosmetic changes - option of coloured covers, a 24K gold neckc

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 18:02 +, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes

Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary... I've been looking into this issue in a related way. One of the biggest opportunities for the Neo will be writing mobile oriented data retreval and sync applications using gps/GPRS. For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to det

Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

kkr wrote: Le vendredi 09 février 2007 à 20:33 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses

Re: stolen neo software, like MacLoJack

Declan Naughton wrote: http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/maclojack/ We could provide a similar service in OpenMoko. When the device is reported stolen (from the web), a daemon on the phone will phone home (heh. To our webservice) current GPS location and pictures and stuff (with the GPS location

Re: Abuse - was Idea: Caller set ringtone

Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny. T

Re: R: Camera and MMS

t3st3r wrote: Andreas Kaeser wrote: Michele Manzato wrote: Voting for integrated Camera as well ... Well, as much as I would like a camera in my all-in-one gadget, it would be prohibitive for my every day use: in my working environment anything capable of picture recording is strictly dis

Re: R: Camera and MMS

Alexander Steinert wrote: However I have nothing against the following: two models, one with camera and one without it. However I have no idea how hard and costly this to implement (usually, developing 2 devices costs more but probably dropping features is relatively easy - just do not so

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back - a modified case. _

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

denis wrote: Ian Stirling schrieb: Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org

Re: Connect self-powered USB storage devices?

Mikko Rauhala wrote: pe, 2007-02-16 kello 12:37 -0600, Steven ** kirjoitti: So, I know the USB port is a mini and it's unpowered. But... Assuming there's a USB mini to full USB adapter, is there any reason you couldn't connect the Neo to a USB hard drive? Most (all) of the USB hard drives I've

Re: Which colors will be available for the phase 1?

kkr wrote: Do we already know which colors will be available for the phase 1? On internet, I saw images (computer generated images?) having the following colors: - black/silver - white/green - white/orange - white/red On the official Web site, I saw only these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki

Re: homebrew hardware and WiFi

adrian cockcroft wrote: Hello, I'm new to the OpenMoko lists, but I'm a member of the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club that started up last year at http://www.hbmobile.org . We have been working towards our own family There is a WiFi and Bluetooth combo card available here that some o

Re: homebrew hardware and WiFi

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: One other hope I have is that the RF chip designers will start making more flexible radios. Does a GSM/wifi/bluetooth/GPS phone really need 4 different RF chips and associated antennas and cabling? Using software-radio techniques it might be possible to combine some

Re: GPS time synch

Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? I know GPS provides that information for some output formats and that it wouldn't be the stratum 0 accuracy that you get from more expensive hardware. But it would probabl

Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines

Harald Welte wrote: Hi! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines The most impportant one I would like to point out is that the Neo1973 is only _one_ of the devices that run OpenMoko. Thus, all hardware related information that you add, needs to indicate that it relates to

Re: About March Release

Jason Elwell wrote: > There was a thread on this list awhile ago that said that changes could be > made to the hardware should a problem be identified. Sean did say however > that they will be offering upgrade incentives on the new hardware. > > Also, it has been said that eventually there will

Re: GPS time synch

Perry E. Metzger wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:47:23PM +1100, Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? yes. That is only during GPS being powered up, of co

Re: GPS time synch

Perry E. Metzger wrote: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Based on ballpark estimates from other similar devices, it's probably around 70mW. This will really hurt if you keep it on all the time, fortunately, for most applications, you probably don't need to. If it wor

Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation

David Pinto wrote: Expect the large carriers to do whatever they can to prevent from open platforms to gain market share. One of their biggest concerns is turning from *Cellular Service Providers* into *Wireless Network Providers* (which is exactly what Neo will catalyze). There are suggestions b

Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

adrian cockcroft wrote: Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. Multitouch - capacitive allows multi-touch, resistive doesn't. Lots of prior art, so this isn't going to be a patentable thing This isn't completely accurate. Resistive touchscreens have two resistive components. One is a film ove

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

Steven ** wrote: I added the price breakdown from the presentation to the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F I uploaded to rapidshare http://rapidshare.com/files/18781887/rect.avi which is a better encoding of the video - 66M, but with most of the larger text visible. With

'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account is an overview of some ideas. Briefly, a way for anyone with the phone to access a history of the phone (bought/sold status, reported as stolen, ...), a way for the user to set these as well as contact information for people to return the phone in some

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

kkr wrote: Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 12:44 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : kkr wrote: Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? It was not a criticism, only a question! If you felt it as such a criticism, I'm sorry... If I've asked it, it's only: - FOSDEM use too o

Re: 'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account is an overview of some ideas. Briefly, a way for anyone with the phone to access a history of the phone (bought/sold status, reported as stolen, ...), a way for the user to set these as well

Re: 'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: Reflashing never gets you back a different account number, it keys off the IMEI, which is not flashable. (well, perhaps it is, but it's not flashable from the linux side, and AIUI, nobody else knows how at the moment.) I really

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

t3st3r wrote: so, operators are better to secure their networks. You do realise that this essentially means 'throw away all existing GSM phones' ? If you can clone the IMEI of a phone, the network has no way of telling it from the cloned phone. Yes, you can do potentially clever things on t

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpos

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpos

Re: GPS for 911 calls

Michael Welter wrote: What is the protocol for sending the GPS coordinates to the 911 dispatcher? I don't think there is one protocol. Unfortunately, I suspect a 'say GPS coordinates' button on the 911 screen may be the most compatible way. ___ Op

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 07:01, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev board connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace your phone seperatly. Someone please correct me if I missunderstand. This is

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the usual NMEA or whatever messages. So, can

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

Klaus Rautenberg wrote: I read that all phase 0 phones are already in use and that the next devices are expected in late March or early April. Is there something like an order list to which we can register? I didn't found informations about how many devices will be available and we just want to

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Nils Faerber wrote: Ian Stirling schrieb: Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Message: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:19:40 + From: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The gpsd will output assorted parameters, including current position, ... You can take this - or even output from a nearby (1m) GPS, and the bitstream input and output

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Still confused on the term nearby GPS A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite signals sent to t

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 20:18:50 Ian Stirling wrote: A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global ionospheric model. Then any Ne

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free

Re: Idea: Protective Screen Foil

Elrond wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:44:10AM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia pi?tek, 9 marca 2007, Elrond napisa?: After talking to a few people on irc, it became obvious, that the screen is really superb. And to cite someone from irc: "[...] you don't want to ruin that with

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Philip Ray Schaffner wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:46 +, Al Johnson wrote: ... > > So *military* devices does it. But not civil. This is for *civil* devices. http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/dgps.asp http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/rtk.asp http://en.wikiped

Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

Dean Collins wrote: Hey guys, you're missing the point. You need to stop thinking of the openmoko device being a standalone unit, you are always connected to your pc when in mobile phone coverage. Just use your gprs data link. Start thinking of the Neo as a portable 'viewer' to applications

Re: Device support / life

Elrond wrote: Hi all and Wolfgang, On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:12:48AM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: [...] The second cent is that many folks here are looking at the developer's phone as simply a way of getting the consumer's phone 6 months early. 2) P1 phones a) I have not read any

Re: Crossroads

Benjamin C Burns wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets. They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would. I mean no offense here, but by "whitelist," do you actually mean "blacklist," or ban? I don't really follow the day-to-da

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Henryk Plötz wrote: Moin, Am Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:40:26 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would appreciate a fingerprint sensor - there are a lot of Asian mobile phones / smart phones with a fingerprint sensor... Yeah, but a fingerprint sensor adds only convenience and no security at all. st

Re: Galileo receiver

Hans Bakker wrote: Hello, would it be possible to use an hybrid GPS/Galileo receiver instead of a GPS receiver? Galileo (although it is not available yet, but the receivers are) will be more accurate than GPS Futhermore building this into the phone will make that you can use Galileo with the sam

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: It's also not clear to me that more than two levels of security (open/password protected) are needed -- where password protected means encrypted using whatever scheme we've got. Personally. Unencrypted: Anything that you might want on display on the screensaver and don't

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

Mikko Rauhala wrote: 'lo Didn't appear in the wiki, so I figured I'd throw it out there first: compressed SMS for when a persistent TLS-encrypted and -compressed Jabber connection just isn't there (eg. if it would be too expensive in a particular locale), but you need to send "long" text message

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: ...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness information. This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones more often would be able to tu

Re: Wishlist: IR LED (was Freq Range?)

Edwin Lock wrote: IR LED would be perfect! Just think, normal mobiles like my siemens can't access the IR hardware because java(on the siemens) doesn't allow it. Only symbians can access IR as far as I know.. It would be brilliant if I could use the openmoko as a remote for my hifi and my pc m

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

kkr wrote: Le mardi 27 mars 2007 à 18:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote: Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 3/31/07, *Patrick Beck* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hello, i follow the deployment of the Neo1973 and Openmoko since they become public. I have discussed with a few others on the IRC, about the Idea to use t

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Well it's probably going to be a while before I can code again...but I would love to see / help form a project to improve OpenMoko's UI. In my opinion, we need to create new "verbs." Click, double click, drag, drop, etc... are not exciting anymore. The are relics from the

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Florent THIERY wrote: Would it be possible to get video captures or raw measurements of the touchscreen's reported coordinates? For instance, i'm pretty curious to know what exactly the touchscreen sees when you touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time, when you move them, when you move

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Andrew Turner wrote: On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't know where I am http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=189 The UK Ordnance Survey - national mapping agency - is incorporating their data into OSM, an

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andrew Turner wrote: Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your position (while driving). Then when you got ba

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

wim delvaux wrote: Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free' only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineer

Re: built-in scripting languages.

Steven ** wrote: On 4/3/07, Bryan Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] However, developers who choose one of these languages for their applications will not be able to see their applications included in the standard ROM nor available for use by those without an external microSD card. [...]

Re: Multi-Touch

mathew davis wrote: * The output is the center of the bounding box of the touched area * The touch point skips instantly on double touch * Pressure has almost no effect on a single touch, but not so on a double touch. The relative pressures will cause a significant skewin

Re: open GPS [scanned]

Markus Stehr wrote: Am Samstag, den 21.04.2007, 08:46 +0200 schrieb "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht": Unfortunately someone will still have to talk the company that manufacturers the Neo's GPS chip to cough up some usable documentation. Hang that thing into a logic analyzer and do it the old scool way

Re: Richard Stallmans standpoint about openmoko

Raphaël Jacquot wrote: I'm still wondering *why* we need to use an AGPS device that's so dumb that it needs the *host* to do most of the calculations, when we could have used a SIRF-STAR III sensor, that does everything inside, just like the GSM/GPRS module. this sounds like this thing is the w

Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

Tim Niemeyer wrote: Hallo Vladimír, * Vladimír Lapáček <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [24-04-07 12:58]: I would like to ask about the decision to use the 2.5 mm audio jack in Neo 1973. If it is seriously intended to be used as a music player, people would most likely use their ordinary headphones. In my o

Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

Thomas Seiler wrote: Hi Am 24.04.2007 um 12:58 schrieb Vladimír Lapáček: so why does Neo 1973 use the 2.5mm one? That makes perfectly sense: because the majority of headsets for mobile phones are 2.5mm Isn't the questiont ths: Why doesn't it provide *additionally* a 3.5mm jack ? That would

Re: Richard Stallmans standpoint about openmoko

t3st3r wrote: Simon Norberg wrote: Hello, I mailed Richard Stallman a while ago regarding a few things including what he thought about openmoko and his answer was: I could endorse it if they get rid of the plan to use non-free software for the GPS. I don't think the answer surprise anyone, b

Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

Jeff Andros wrote: On 4/24/07, *Flemming Richter Mikkelsen* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: In reply to my own mail: I have a motorola that has only one connector: the usb. It works great for hands free. I don't know if this is supported by the neo1973

Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

polz wrote: On Tuesday 24 April 2007 20:20:38 Ian Stirling wrote: Jeff Andros wrote: On 4/24/07, *Flemming Richter Mikkelsen* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: In reply to my own mail: I have a motorola that has only one connector: the usb. It wor

Re: Some light ahead...

Jim Thompson wrote: Duncan Hudson wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Finally, we've already begun moving production into one of our factories in mainland China. There are two runs scheduled now: May 10th and May 20th. We're going to take those runs a bit slow just to make sure the quality is high. A

Re: Some light ahead...

Duncan Hudson wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: 4) Relax... you're not going to be able to add features to an iPhone. OSX is unix based, so you and I both know that one will be able to add apps to the iPhone. We also both know that for it to succeed in the business environment they'll have to allo

Re: Total Control over the phone

Christian Fischer wrote: Marco Miani wrote: hi everybody after lurking from the beginning of this list I have a question : Will we have total control over the GSM module? No total control. The GSM-Modules are closed and there is no chance (in near future) to get an completely documented module

Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm

Alex Schamenek wrote: Not really the point that quality 2.5mm headphones are available. They are a response to dumb phones having 2.5mm jacks when they should have had 3.5mm. There are more top quality 3.5mm headsets available. Vladimir raises a very good question: "What is the jack intended

Re: Anti Iphone (Was Re: Some light ahead...)

Steven ** wrote: The question is "how well does the Neo handle video?". There was some discussion on the list a while back about this. Sounds like playing/decoding video will tax the processor pretty hard. I'm sure someone will get it working, but I got the impression it would take some skill.

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

Maciej Ligenza wrote: Sven, On 5/2/07, Sven Neuhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! [..cut..] The iPhone has a *much bigger* screen than the Neo1973 and it's still smaller and a lot lighter. P

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Wednesday 02 May 2007 13:51:01 Ian Stirling wrote: Yes, it makes the text a tiny bit sharper, and if you bring it to 20cm from the eye, and have good eyes, you can read 80*25 text on it, but... If you could knock off 50g by going to 240*320, I suspect I would. If

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

wim delvaux wrote: FWIW, most of these 'light' phones do seem so 'fragile'. It looks like any drop from pocket or table might smash them to bits. Less weight generally means more flimsy devices. I have had the NEO in my hands and although the numbers may make if sound like it is chunky it

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