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Someone wrote:
>However Faustine neglects to include the simple solution, that you
>simply renounce playing with Johnny:
>>Conditions that could mitigate security concerns include:
>> b. The individual terminates the employment or discontinues t
Quoting Khoder bin Hakkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
[faustine]
> More interestingly, s/he neglects to include this disqualifier from
> State Secrets:
>
> >>Allegiance to the United States
>
> Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying
> include:
>
> d. Involvement
> Oh, and I can't believe I almost forgot--I'm sure you'll be
> tickled pink to learn that ever having had anything to do with
> you can be the kiss of death as far as getting clearance is
> concerned. From the adjudication guidelines:
>
> http://www.dss.mil/training/adr/adjguid/adjguidF.htm
>
> "
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, John Young wrote:
> Reputation is a trap not an accomplishment,
Yeah, I like this statement a lot. I've worked in some golden cages. You
can't accomplish much when all you do is politics. It's not anybody's
fault the disinfo forces specific mental states, but they can be
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John wrote:
>Contrarily, one can argue, that anybody who has
>access to classified material cannot be trusted for
>their unclassified work.
Actually, I agree: that's certainly the safe bet. But can
you imagine what a different world we'd all be livi
The Pentagon Papers was a classic disinfo operation
confected by RAND. The NYT and Ellsberg will never
let us forget their valor, credible only for those who abide
a fairly narrow belief system, highly elitist and condescending
toward the populace.
Then there's Bill Sheehan's tragic price to remi
At 09:22 PM 4/6/02 -0800, John Young wrote:
>Kahn's right, and admirably so, for once you get access
>to classified material you are doomed to be distrusted
>outside the secret world.
Another reason: once you get a clearance, you can't speak
freely. The latest _Tech Review_ interviews an MIT Pr
Note that you also [explicitly] waive your search and siezure rights (at
least this was the case the last time I looked at the forms for TS) - not a
nice thing :-(
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote:
> Another reason: once you get a clearance, you can't speak
> freely. The lates
>>To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can any of their
contractors who have agreed to abide the official rules. Which, as oft
stated here, includes all state-empowered and privilieged professionals,
from architects to lawyers to doctors to priests to acupuncturists, and not
l
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Faustine wrote:
> >I'm not an expert on this,
>
> Then why aren't you following your own advice?
By being not an expert on this I mean I haven't worked excessively with
HCN (I tried smelling it once), nor administered LD50 tests personally.
> If anyone is interested in le
Quoting John Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can
> any of their contractors who have agreed to abide
> the official rules. Which, as oft stated here, includes
> all state-empowered and privilieged professionals,
> from architects to lawyers to doc
Disinfo is a complicated topic, and it's not easy to know
for sure when it is occurring; if it was easy to tell then
it wouldn't be very effective disinfo.
For all its admirable reputation RAND continues to
be a forum for disinformation of high quality. This
follows from its classified work and t
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Eugene wrote:
>I have not followed this thread closely,
So why bother to chime in with your two cents before spending the five
minutes it would take to learn what's been going on?
>but could clueless posters please shut up, for a change? Instead o
I have not followed this thread closely, but could clueless posters please
shut up, for a change? Instead of talking at length about topics they know
nothing about?
I'm not an expert on this, but HCN (hydrogen cyanide, prussic acid) is an
industrial chemical made by the kT, a volatile colorless l
At 10:58 AM 4/5/2002 -0500, Faustine wrote:
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>Richard Fiero wrote:
>
> >Question for Faustine: Is what is, right? Or is it man-made and
> >can be changed by men?
> >Faustine may want to rethink this. Social Darwinism does not
> >square with the Thom
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Major Variola wrote:
>>Absolutely, these are often erroneous and badly written. Yes, you have
>>every right to expect to see disinformation in them. But in this case,
>>there's nothing lethal about adding sodium cyanide to a urea nitrate bomb--
>If
At 10:45 AM 4/5/02 -0500, Faustine wrote:
>Well, given how hot he was last month about the idea of someone who
seemed to
>be deliberately feeding him a line of disinformation, I just thought it
was
>important not to throw an accusation like that around which reflects
badly on
>the manual donor, es
Faustine wrote:
> I have a hunch the DoD would like nothing better than to see
> leakees go totally
> apeshit on leakers as "disinformation spreaders." Do their dirty
> work, save
> them the trouble: sounds perfectly in line with Rumsfeld's doctrinal
> emphasis on "deterrence by denial" to me. Go
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At 09:15 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Faustine wrote:
>And as long as you don't recommend that John call out the Snackycake
>Posse on the poor schmoe who sent him the manual thinking he was trying to
>help, I honestly couldn't care less.
>I don't think anyone h
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Richard Fiero wrote:
>Question for Faustine: Is what is, right? Or is it man-made and
>can be changed by men?
>Faustine may want to rethink this. Social Darwinism does not
>square with the Thomas Paine quote.
There's a reason I contrasted the Amer
At 09:15 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Faustine wrote:
>And as long as you don't recommend that John call out the Snackycake
Posse on
>the poor schmoe who sent him the manual thinking he was trying to help,
I
>honestly couldn't care less.
I don't think anyone has accused JY of intentional disinfo; he is
large
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One more time:
> > Either or, is it? Are you totally unfamiliar with the concept of coupling
> > high explosives with chemical agents? Good god, no wonder you're so
> > confused.
> 1. Ad hominem is a sign of weakness.
But you genuinely seem confuse
Faustine wrote:
> > [...] Darwinian justice.
>
> >>I don't know much about Darwin (nothing), but I am interested why there's
> >>Darwinian justice.
>
>Oh, it's just a kind of poetic shorthand. The way I see it, the American idea
>of justice as conceived by the Founding Fathers and made plain in th
> Either or, is it? Are you totally unfamiliar with the concept of coupling
> high explosives with chemical agents? Good god, no wonder you're so confused.
1. Ad hominem is a sign of weakness.
2."Chemical agent" can mean anything. "coupling" can mean anything.
3. Your statements are empty and w
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Morlock:
>I never mentioned that there are no chemical devices using H2SO4 and NaCN (and
>it's hardly a "bomb", H2SO4 + 2 NaCN = Na2SO4 + 2 HCN is not an explosive
>reaction, although it does generate some heat.) I said that these two are NOT
>compo
Faustine wrote:
> GLASS-ENCASED CYANIDE CAPSULES
>
> "...a glass cylinder about one liter in volume which is divided into two
> chambers: one containing liquid sulphuric acid, the other a powder of
> either
> potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide. If broken, the resulting mixture
> yields a
> ver
> Fine. I already mentioned the first WTC bomb, how about this from the Aum
> cult:
>
> "Later that evening, station staff at Shinjuku were alerted to a burning bag
> in
I never mentioned that there are no chemical devices using H2SO4 and NaCN (and
it's hardly a "bomb", H2SO4 + 2 NaCN = Na2SO4 +
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Someone wrote:
> [...] Darwinian justice.
>>I don't know much about Darwin (nothing), but I am interested why there's
>>Darwinian justice.
Oh, it's just a kind of poetic shorthand. The way I see it, the American idea
of justice as conceived by the
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Faustine, Morlock:
> Bomb components, silly. "Everything" was in the "bomb", capiche? Common
> usage, as found on the web:
>The point of the exercise was to underline the disinformation content. If you
>argue this, then you should provide an exampl
It is likely that Cryptome and the Net will be used to spread
disinfo, as with predecessor means of information spread.
What better way to contaminate citizen tools than to
try to make them unreliable compared to official sources.
Dotty Rumsfeld is certainly practicing that with relish, rather
bei
At 11:20 PM 4/3/02 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>> Bomb components, silly. "Everything" was in the "bomb", capiche?
Common
>> usage, as found on the web:
>
>The point of the exercise was to underline the disinformation content.
If you
>argue this, then you should provide an example of a bomb which
>This is anarchists-cookbook-style disinfo.
While mighty US military think tanks prepare for Homeland defense against
total cretins, I wonder if it's time for citizenry to hire professionals
for the real defense. Not that I expect that talibanladens will be contracted
any time soon again (the eff
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Faustine wrote:
Morlock wrote:
> I think someone got careless: terrorists have used sodium cyanide in
> their "urea nitrate bombs"--the first WTC bombing, as a matter of fact.
> Look it up. The compound referred to as an "explosive used by terrorists
> >H2SO4 and NaCN are "components" of CO(NH2)2HNO3 less than Frank Zappa's piss
> >and Elvis' shit are part of Faustine (and she does contain several billion
> >atoms from those two components).
>
>
> Bomb components, silly. "Everything" was in the "bomb", capiche? Common
> usage, as found on th
> I think someone got careless: terrorists have used sodium cyanide in
> their "urea nitrate bombs"--the first WTC bombing, as a matter of fact.
> Look it up. The compound referred to as an "explosive used by terrorists"
> was primarily urea nitrate based, and indeed contained all the components
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"Major Variola" wrote:
referenced on cryptome:
>> Another fertilizer-based explosive used by
>>terrorists is Urea Nitrate (its components are urea, sulfuric acid,
>>nitric acid, and sodium cyanide).
>As is well known, and used in execution chambers,
From
http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/Organization/AFSFC/SFP/AF%20Pubs/VEHICLE%20BOMB%20MITIGATION%20GUIDE.PDF
referenced on cryptome:
>> Another fertilizer-based explosive used by
terrorists is Urea Nitrate (its components are urea, sulfuric acid,
nitric acid, and sodium cyanide). <<
As is well kno
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