Re: Iceweasel/Firefox Sync

2015-08-31 Thread mudongliang
On 09/01/2015 06:25 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: > I am trying to establish a Mozilla-type Sync connection between my > Debian Jessie (systemd) desktop host and my Apple MacBook Pro. I'm > finding that password changes are being successfully transmitted from > Apple to Jessie, but changes on Jessie a

is google earth safe to install?

2015-08-31 Thread rlharris
To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth. I see that Debian has a google earth package. In view of our recent discussion "laptop protection in an office network", I am curious as to what danger of co

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 20:37, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> No, but I believe I still have my laptop configured in a way which >> gets this behavior. If you want, I can reboot it and do a detailed >> examination; I'm probably about due for a reboot of that laptop, >> anyway. >

Re: "su is really a broken concept"

2015-08-31 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 01:25 +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > Lennart Poettering > (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622): > > > Long story short: su is really a broken concept. > > > > Christian Seiler: > > > > So it's not like su is suddenly broken - it

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: No, but I believe I still have my laptop configured in a way which gets this behavior. If you want, I can reboot it and do a detailed examination; I'm probably about due for a reboot of that laptop, anyway. It's mainly the final part about other people's login sessions causing

Re: "su is really a broken concept"

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Lennart Poettering (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622): Long story short: su is really a broken concept. Christian Seiler: So it's not like su is suddenly broken - it's just that some specific new use cases don't work properly with it. A fair number

Iceweasel/Firefox Sync

2015-08-31 Thread Paul E Condon
I am trying to establish a Mozilla-type Sync connection between my Debian Jessie (systemd) desktop host and my Apple MacBook Pro. I'm finding that password changes are being successfully transmitted from Apple to Jessie, but changes on Jessie are not going to Apple. I see a security fix for Icewea

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread
-- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net --- christ...@iwakd.de wrote: From: Christian Seiler To: Lisi Reisz , debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:43:00 +0200 On 08/31/2015 05:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Anthony Maples
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/31/2015 10:06 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 22:40:22 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: >>> Joel Rees writes: >>> > >>> > Say what? Since when does a keyboard need a firm

Re: What USB3 chipsets are supported by the Jessie kernels?

2015-08-31 Thread Rick Thomas
On 08/31/15 02:19, Rick Thomas wrote: I came across this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1242321 In note #46 there, James Ralston suggests turning off “auto suspend” on the relevant USB device by doing $ for F in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control; do echo on >”${F}";

Re: How to exit /bin/sh

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Charlie Kravetz: There has never been mention of any other method to exit this new shell command. Probably because the people knowledgeble in the subject thought that it went without saying. It plainly doesn't, because this is the third place where the whole it-is-the-telnet-escape-sequen

Re: Re: Re: live build

2015-08-31 Thread Gerard ROBIN
I got help from the debian-live list (chals) the file auto/config must be : #!/bin/sh set -e lb config noauto \ --architecture amd64 \ --bootappend-live "boot=live ip=frommedia persistence locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-layouts=fr" \ --archive-areas "main contrib non-free"

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > From the terminal point of view, the shell is just like another > > process. > > Just to make it clear: I didn't write that, even though you've made it > appear that I did by putting ">" in front of it. F

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 08/31/2015 05:14 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Actually, there's a couple or three questions going begging here, that I'd like to ask: Sure, ask away! =) (1) TJ, have you ever built LFS? Or, even better, built a running OS on top of the Linux kernel without even the help of the LFS tutorial and

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > > Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > > keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet is > > full of mail-order vendors selling keyboards

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Erwan David
Le 31/08/2015 20:53, Charlie Kravetz a écrit : > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:42:20 +0200 > Nicolas George wrote: > >> Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : What are you talking about? The command to start the shell, or the key sequence to exit it? >>> Using su to change u

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Charlie Kravetz
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:42:20 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: >Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : >> > What are you talking about? The command to start the shell, or the key >> > sequence to exit it? >> Using su to change user. > >Then I do not agree with your statement that "m

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-21 22:08:33 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > > No, here's what I said: > > > > > > | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like > > > | a space. The differentiation is use

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Brian
On Mon 31 Aug 2015 at 19:42:18 +0100, Brian wrote: > Yet more advocacy to add to the 3,200+ posts we have in -user. Only > about 1.5% of them are from the OP but he is trying hard to get up to > 2%. :) That bit was incorrect. The 1.5% is for the OP's sycophantic responder. The OP is only on about

Re: logrotate permissions problem

2015-08-31 Thread D. R. Evans
Reco wrote on 08/29/2015 12:17 PM: > > Your /etc/logrotate.d/polipo should contain this line: > > su proxy adm > Yep. [stuff elided] > > The solution of this problem should be as simple as: > > chgrp adm /var/log/polipo/pol* > rm -f /var/log/polipo/polipo.log.1.gz OK; I have done that, an

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:40:54 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 19:27:31 Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:25:09 +0100 > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Monday 31 August 2015 16:59:48 Nicolas George wrote: > > > > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lis

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Brian
On Mon 31 Aug 2015 at 11:36:26 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > The Subject line is an overstatement, yes, but it's not an entirely > baseless one. Consider: The power of language! What is clearly a distortion of the situation related at https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825 becomes an "o

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 19:27:31 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:25:09 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 31 August 2015 16:59:48 Nicolas George wrote: > > > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > > For those who have still not discovered, you have t

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Erwan David
Le 31/08/2015 20:27, Reco a écrit : > Hi. > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:25:09 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Monday 31 August 2015 16:59:48 Nicolas George wrote: >>> Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : For those who have still not discovered, you have to press ^ three

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:25:09 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 16:59:48 Nicolas George wrote: > > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > For those who have still not discovered, you have to press ^ three times > > > in succession inside a second. >

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:42:20 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > What are you talking about? The command to start the shell, or the key > > > sequence to exit it? > > Using su to change user. > > Then I do not agree with your state

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Nicolas George
Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > Then I have misunderstood, which does not surprise me. With all the disinformation flying around when it comes to systemd, it is hardly surprising. > What is the alternative to su that there is so much fuss about? And I don't > care

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Nicolas George
Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > What are you talking about? The command to start the shell, or the key > > sequence to exit it? > Using su to change user. Then I do not agree with your statement that "machinectl shell" is less disability-friendly than su, quite the c

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 18:12:44 Nicolas George wrote: > What are you talking about? The command to start the shell, or the key > sequence to exit it? Using su to change user. Lisi

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread David Wright
Quoting The Wanderer (wande...@fastmail.fm): > Debian could not have chosen systemd if Lennart had not written it, and > Debian could not have chosen systemd-in-its-current-form if Lennart had > not designed it in that form, so some layer of the blame does fall on > him. That's a very interesting

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 16:59:48 Nicolas George wrote: > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > For those who have still not discovered, you have to press ^ three times > > in succession inside a second. > > > > https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ > > Are you referring t

Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread Curt
On 2015-08-31, wrote: > >> I understand the whole "oh noes, firmware is a binary blob with unknown >> contents [...] > > It seems you don't :-) > >> By not installing the firmware package, you are just making your life >> harder without gaining anything but a delayed boot. > > There sure should b

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 18:08:21 pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: > On a jessie system, I can interrupt an Emacs file edit session with cntrlZ. > My only self acknowledged disabilities are mild loss of cognitive function > and frequent finger fumbles at the keyboard, so I don't know what a person

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Nicolas George
Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > Su is _much_ easier to type, and there is no restrictive time limit on how > long you can take typing it. > > the illustration shows moving from user to root. $ to # > > It is, as I said, very disability unfriendly. su is not. What a

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 17:43:00 Christian Seiler wrote: > On 08/31/2015 05:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 31 August 2015 16:36:26 The Wanderer wrote: > >> Lennart's proposed alternative (to su) > > > > After all this discussion, I thought that I ought really to find out what > > Lennart w

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Christian Seiler
On 08/31/2015 05:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 16:36:26 The Wanderer wrote: >> Lennart's proposed alternative (to su) > > After all this discussion, I thought that I ought really to find out what > Lennart was proposing, and I must say that it looks remarkably > disability-

Re: Can malware qualify as free software?

2015-08-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:25:29 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > > Some people develop and distribute malware as free software. Do they > > deserve to be treated with respect for doing that? > > I strongly suspect that malwares do not provide freedoms #1, #2, or #3 >

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Christian Seiler
On 08/31/2015 05:36 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > Two, I base this assessment on the things he has said and the ways in > which he has reacted when people have objected to various of the things > he has done - on his public comments and discussion, I get the opposite impression, that's why I responded

Re: No-one working on 'su' has stated that they will stop.

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Christian Seiler: Note that _nobody_ working on su, neither upstream nor maintaining it in distributions, has claimed that they will stop. Indeed. The implication that su is being replaced has, rather, come from the technology journalists and web log diarists writing headlines ... * Paul Ca

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Glenn English
Yet another vote for Cherry. They are lovely. The 'clicks' on mine come from the key hitting the bottom, not from something in the switch. You select how loud the clicks are. And 'most everything is made for Winders these days -- just ignore the key with the little flag on it. It never occurred

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 11:32, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> Also on a mostly-cosmetic level, if you log in at a text console >> without systemd, you will get a certain set of messages, coming >> mostly from login and from your shell - but with systemd, logging >> in at a text c

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights Ah. That's the original version of "Gnebbsche drigge derfe nur mir, die expedde." Frankfurt hassian for "Button pressing is reserved to us, the experts." Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Nicolas George
Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > For those who have still not discovered, you have to press ^ three times in > succession inside a second. > > https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ Are you referring to that snippet: # Connected to the local host. Press ^] three time

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 31 August 2015 16:36:26 The Wanderer wrote: > Lennart's proposed alternative (to su) After all this discussion, I thought that I ought really to find out what Lennart was proposing, and I must say that it looks remarkably disability-unfriendly. :-( For those who have still not discove

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: Also on a mostly-cosmetic level, if you log in at a text console without systemd, you will get a certain set of messages, coming mostly from login and from your shell - but with systemd, logging in at a text console also produces a mess of extra messages coming from logind, whic

Re: Can malware qualify as free software?

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 11:25, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> Some people develop and distribute malware as free software. Do >> they deserve to be treated with respect for doing that? > > I strongly suspect that malwares do not provide freedoms #1, #2, or > #3 out of the Four Fr

Re: uselessd

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
T.J. Duchene: One programmer created asystemd fork called "uselessd". He declared it dead about six months ago.

Can malware qualify as free software?

2015-08-31 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: Some people develop and distribute malware as free software. Do they deserve to be treated with respect for doing that? I strongly suspect that malwares do not provide freedoms #1, #2, or #3 out of the Four Freedoms.

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread David Wright
Quoting rlhar...@oplink.net (rlhar...@oplink.net): > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > > Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > > keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet is > > full of mail-order vendors selling keyboard

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 10:49, Christian Seiler wrote: > On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Also, while I agree that Lennart is not out "to get us" in the >> sense of malicious laughter and diabolical plans, he _does_ seem to >> outright reject some principles which have been valued in the

Re: the IBM keyboard

2015-08-31 Thread Dan Ritter
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:18:42PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Oh joy! forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at first. > Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real IBM clicky > keyboard! > However the cable is starting to fray, and I was wondering if I > would be

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Petter Adsen writes: > No, it doesn't. But it has 5 macro keys, intended to be used in > Windows games for sending series of keystrokes. Under Linux, they > simply send normal keycodes, but I believe the Windows drivers and > software do more than that. Once upon a long ago there was a daemon

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Christian Seiler
On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > Also, while I agree that Lennart is not out "to get us" in the sense of > malicious laughter and diabolical plans, he _does_ seem to outright > reject some principles which have been valued in the free-software world > for decades, to want to see those

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-21 22:08:33 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > No, here's what I said: > > > > | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like > > | a space. The differentiation is useful mainly in source code > > | and when editing, thus it

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 22:40:22 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Joel Rees writes: > > > > > > Say what? Since when does a keyboard need a firmware update? > > > > > > Hmm. Maybe the USB controller stuff, but still, ... > > > > Nope. Check t

Re: usb read only

2015-08-31 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, atux wrote > > even gparted has it recognised as read only What exactly did it report ? What permissions are shown with ls -l /dev/sdb Liam O'Toole wrote: > The installer can leave a 'ro' entry for the stick in /etc/fstab. If so, then block device level write operations should succeed.

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > "Das computermachineboot ist gestaren, relaxen und watchen das > blinkenlichten." Che bella macchina. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread briand
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:56:09 +0300 Reco wrote: > > there's this in dmesg: > > > > [6.210098] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Opts: > > (null) > > [ 35.827945] r8169 :03:00.0: firmware: failed to load > > rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-2) > > [ 35.827963] r8

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Petter Adsen writes: > Have you seen the Apple keyboards? They have keys that are barely > raised from the keyboard itself, completely flat, and are AFAIK > wireless. Wired or wireless. Personally I still prefer a keyboard with Cherry switches. Should I get rich enough to buy a fully featured

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:25:25 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 07:04:22 Joel Rees wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:09 PM, wrote: > > > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > > >> Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > > >> keys

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:33:40AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2015-08-31 at 03:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Slinging mud at people never helps: Lennart Poettering isn't out > > there "to get us" -- he's writing free software. He deserves to be

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Joel Rees writes: > > Say what? Since when does a keyboard need a firmware update? > > Hmm. Maybe the USB controller stuff, but still, ... Nope. Check the item before engaging the fingers :). These keyboard have some on board controller that is responsible to controlling the color of each k

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 03:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:19:12PM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: > > Disclaimer: I totally dislike systemd. I'll try to do what it takes > to enjoy a systemd-free Debian. I'm not going to discuss the whys and > hows -- tne Nets are already full

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 31 August 2015 07:04:22 Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:09 PM, wrote: > > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > >> Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > >> keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the > >> Inter

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 00:39, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Doug > wrote: >> What we would like is stability, and until Poettering started >> messing with Linux, we pretty much had it--at least in any given >> distro. > > That's where we part in agreement. You can't blame P

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:15:44 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: > > The Windows software will also auto-update the firmware in the > > keyboard, > > Say what? Since when does a keyboard need a firmware update? > > Hmm. Maybe the USB controller stuff,

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Curt
On 2015-08-31, Haines Brown wrote: > Back in the 1990s I purchased several IBM M-5 keyboards for about $5 > each. The only one that died was the one I poured alcohol into in order > to clean it out. Perhaps some are still around at a reasonable price. > > Well, at least it died drunk so it didn'

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Read
On 31/08/15 08:09, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: How much do those things cost? Now that a keyboard can be had for $10 or $15, is it better to pay $150 or even $250 for a quality keyboard, or replace a $15 keyboard every year or even every six months? Well, I'm typing this on a Das Keyboard (Cher

Re: usb read only

2015-08-31 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-08-30, atux wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --010609010802020702010907 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hello everyone. > > i have a usb stick that it gets recognised as read only. > how do i

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Haines Brown
Back in the 1990s I purchased several IBM M-5 keyboards for about $5 each. The only one that died was the one I poured alcohol into in order to clean it out. Perhaps some are still around at a reasonable price.

Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread Brian
On Mon 31 Aug 2015 at 11:56:09 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 06:58:10AM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > > > there's this in dmesg: > > > > [6.210098] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Opts: > > (null) > > [ 35.827945] r8169 :03:00.0: f

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:39 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Doug wrote: >> >> That's easy for you to say, since you are obviously a programmer. The rest >> of us may never have programmed anything, and C just looks like some foreign >> language --which it is! > > >

Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:56:09AM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 06:58:10AM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [...] > > so it is the dreaded r8169 firmware crappola. the system works fine not > > loading it. > > My-my. Call

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:45:03 +0200 "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote: > Petter Adsen writes: > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:09:23 -0500 > > rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > > How much do those things cost? Now that a keyboard can be had for $10 or > > > $15, is it better to pay $150 or even $250 for a qu

AW: Wheezy "NFSv4 callback reply buffer overflowed"

2015-08-31 Thread Rainer Stumbaum
Hello Javier >>> Did you try disabling nfs.v4.read_delegation? >>> >> No, since we only recently changed from NFSv3 to NFSv4 and with v3 were >> using mount option nocto on 99% of the mounts for performance. We have >> currently no idea what implications we would have if we turn off read >> delega

Re: What USB3 chipsets are supported by the Jessie kernels?

2015-08-31 Thread Rick Thomas
On Aug 31, 2015, at 12:17 AM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Mon, August 31, 2015 1:58 am, Rick Thomas wrote: >> Does anybody know which USB3 interface chipsets are supported by the >> current Debian Jessie kernel? > > You may already have done this, but, if not, you might try searching > googl

Re: Web Design Guidelines

2015-08-31 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Sir/Madam, Good Tidings, Felicitations and Salutations be upon you! Alas, here in Debian, we have no need of such web site design services Blessings for a Fruit Full day. Regards Michael Fothergill

Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 06:58:10AM -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:18:19 +0200 > Sven Hartge wrote: > > > bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 04:25:36 +0200 Sven Hartge wrote: > > >> bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > > > >>> There's no way anyone can

Web Design Guidelines

2015-08-31 Thread Ishita bhalla
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2015-08-31 Thread Ishita bhalla
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Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish

2015-08-31 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39:14AM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > > [6.210098] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Opts: > > (null) > > [ 35.827945] r8169 :03:00.0: firmware: failed to

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-08-31 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:19:12PM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: Disclaimer: I totally dislike systemd. I'll try to do what it takes to enjoy a systemd-free Debian. I'm not going to discuss the whys and hows -- tne Nets are already full of that. That

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Petter Adsen writes: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:09:23 -0500 > rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > > > Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > > > keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet

EU pályázatai lehetőséget

2015-08-31 Thread Borbenyi Levente
Tisztelt Hölgyem/Uram, A nevem Borbényi Levente, a Lacan Technologies Kft-t képviselem. Ezúton szeretném tájékoztatni, hogy meghirdetésre kerültek az Európai Unio új pályázatai, amelyek a mikro-, kis- és középvállalkozások számára biztosítanak fejlesztési lehetőséget. A projekt fő célja a mikro

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:09:23 -0500 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > > Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > > keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet is > > full of mail-order vendors sell

Re: What USB3 chipsets are supported by the Jessie kernels?

2015-08-31 Thread rlharris
On Mon, August 31, 2015 1:58 am, Rick Thomas wrote: > Does anybody know which USB3 interface chipsets are supported by the > current Debian Jessie kernel? You may already have done this, but, if not, you might try searching google for "linux usb3". The first two hits are recent posts. RLH

[Newsletter] Why does Debian not recognize my WiFi?

2015-08-31 Thread Harilal, Ahlad (ACIS India)
Hi, I tried all possible ways to fix wireless driver issues for my Dell Vostro laptop. Chip manufactures Broadcom has provided a debian installation file from their official website for the proper chipset. I tried it but no luck Regards, Ahlad Harilal Copyright in this message and any attach

quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread rlharris
On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:49 pm, Martin Read wrote: > Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical > keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet is > full of mail-order vendors selling keyboards (from several different > manufacturers) built with those

Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?

2015-08-31 Thread Rick Thomas
On Aug 30, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Glenn English wrote: > Yet another possible possibility: > > * Is the disk backward compatible with USB2? If so, does it work with a USB2 > card? Might get rid of some variables. Yes, that’s the first thing I tried. The disk (and all the USB2 and USB3 thumb dri